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Sizing up NL division leaders, Skubal trade back in play? State of Yanks & Rays, Trevor Story's surgery · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Freaky Fraser Friday and Trevor may Day.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go for the long weekends. What a combo. Let's
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  Speaker 2: Todd Father.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, checks in the mail man really nice.
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  Speaker 4: I can't help but notice that neither Todd or I
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  Speaker 4: were tagged in that though.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a usage thing, Trevor.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what it is, between the potential character limit.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know if that's a thing anymore on
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  Speaker 2: Twitter point and the usage rates. I think he went
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  Speaker 2: in order of attendance. But hey, we've got time, We've
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  Speaker 2: got a lifetime of appearances that you can rack up
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  Speaker 2: on the show. So we appreciate it. So thank you
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  Speaker 2: to him. All right, I want to have some fun.
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  Speaker 2: Let's dig in here. Yeah, we're charging the mound with
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  Speaker 2: the Al East.
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  Speaker 1: First.
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  Speaker 2: Why because the top two teams in the American League
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  Speaker 2: are matching up this weekend. But we want to do
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  Speaker 2: a bigger picture conversation on where they're at, how different
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  Speaker 2: they are, who you'd rather face, who you believe in, etc.
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  Speaker 2: Todd Father watches a lot of Yanks, So let's start here.
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  Speaker 1: Garrett Cole returns.
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  Speaker 2: He's facing Nick Martinez, who I think might be the
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  Speaker 2: most underrated pitcher this year. One and a half the
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  Speaker 2: ra for the Rays, who have been one of the
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  Speaker 2: best teams in baseball. What do you have for me
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  Speaker 2: on collback for the Yanks? Rodan getting himself together a
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  Speaker 2: little better a night ago. Of course, they lost Max Freed.
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  Speaker 2: How do you match up these two teams?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a great matchup. First
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  Speaker 3: and foremost. I mean, you think about a Tampa Bay
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  Speaker 3: Ray team who nobody saw this coming. If you want
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  Speaker 3: the truth, I mean, nobody understood, but they always know
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  Speaker 3: and they can always relate to pitching, and they've been fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: Let's start with Nick Martinez. I mean, and nine starts
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  Speaker 3: two or less runs. I mean, you were winning games
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  Speaker 3: no matter what. If that happens, and for you know,
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  Speaker 3: for the race, they're finding ways to win games, and
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  Speaker 3: they're finding ways to put the ball in play. I
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  Speaker 3: mean they just took out the Orioles, made that look
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  Speaker 3: really easy. You know, the ebbs and flows of the
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  Speaker 3: Yankees have been transparent as we've seen. Yeah, Garrett Cole,
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  Speaker 3: the cold Traine is coming back tonight, fantastic. You saw
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  Speaker 3: the the other day he got interviewed.
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  Speaker 5: The excitement.
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  Speaker 3: It feels like Christmas Day for him. Almost topped out
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  Speaker 3: at one hundred miles an hour the other day. So
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  Speaker 3: he's back where he needs to be. I'm very curious
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  Speaker 3: to see how many pitches they let him get to.
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  Speaker 3: Ky Bairo's coming back. We saw Spencer Jones hit the
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  Speaker 3: road go back.
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  Speaker 5: To Triple A. I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting that one. If you want the truth,
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  Speaker 3: especially you know, with Grisham a little bit hurt, I
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  Speaker 3: think he'll be fine.
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  Speaker 5: Though.
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  Speaker 3: Volpi's doing a lot better, getting on base a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more.
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  Speaker 5: It seems like, you know, I don't want to say.
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  Speaker 3: This out loud, but I'm gonna like the Dodgers of
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  Speaker 3: the East without that many bullets. Like somebody got hurt
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  Speaker 3: and guess what, Garrett calls back. Somebody else got Max
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  Speaker 3: Friedz gone, Carlos Rodonna's back. So, for lack of better words,
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  Speaker 3: they got the pieces that could come back and help
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  Speaker 3: this team. Aaron Judges struggling a little bit, Austin Wells'
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  Speaker 3: needs to get off the snide Ryan McMahon's hit or miss.
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  Speaker 3: So that right there tells me that the Rays do
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  Speaker 3: have the upper hand right now. But you know, you
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  Speaker 3: never know what can happen with this matchup.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and in a moment, I want to get your
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  Speaker 2: take on them keeping Goulpi up there and sending down
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  Speaker 2: Spencer Jones and all of that.
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  Speaker 1: But quick to bring in Trevor here, what do you
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  Speaker 1: have for us? Two very different looking teams.
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  Speaker 2: One likes power, one has some power, but likes to
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  Speaker 2: do a little bit of small ball. It's hey, it's genius, Trevor.
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  Speaker 2: The Rays, who are always copied by other teams, have
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  Speaker 2: decided to do things that teams in the eighties and
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  Speaker 2: nineties do.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta well, first of all, you gotta like
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  Speaker 4: win with what you got and not everyone could build
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  Speaker 4: the big bopper team that that happens to be The
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  Speaker 4: Bombers and it always has been their mo and their
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  Speaker 4: you know, template for how they put together their teams,
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  Speaker 4: and that leads to it's just a different style of play.
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  Speaker 4: But for the Rays to be good again it is surprising,
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  Speaker 4: and it also isn't At the same time, it seems
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  Speaker 4: like it doesn't matter who's on this team. They can
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  Speaker 4: trade Brandon Lau and someone else is gonna then hit
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  Speaker 4: thirty homers the next year to fill in that gap.
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  Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing, the weirdest thing, is how
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  Speaker 4: I think last year was actually an outlier in a way,
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  Speaker 4: like they had one of the hardest.
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  Speaker 6: Schedules to play because they were on the road like.
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  Speaker 4: One hundred games, and when they were at home, they
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  Speaker 4: were outside in Florida, Like it was not a good
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  Speaker 4: conducive situation to be win a lot. And then suddenly
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  Speaker 4: they're back in the TP the trop of all places.
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  Speaker 4: And I know we're going to talk a little bit
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  Speaker 4: about ranking the stadiums later and we'll see where that lands.
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  Speaker 4: But they're nineteen and five at home since they've been back,
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  Speaker 4: So that just goes to show you, like how much
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  Speaker 4: more comfortable they are now with their park. And it's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of the same, you know, level of talent.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't surprise me one bit. Go two years ago
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  Speaker 4: they were doing this type of stuff just like.
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  Speaker 6: They had been.
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  Speaker 4: It's just more of the same. And I just feel
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  Speaker 4: like they had this little gap year because they had
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  Speaker 4: to deal with some adversity. So yeah, Nick Martinez has
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  Speaker 4: been incredible. He signs there to be you know, I'm
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  Speaker 4: sure it was put in there like hey, you know,
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  Speaker 4: hybrid guy or starter, but whatever we need you to do,
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  Speaker 4: and he's like, yes, absolutely, And he's had immense success
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  Speaker 4: so far and really taken advantage of the pitching development
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  Speaker 4: they have over there, and then they got the guys
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  Speaker 4: in the middle of the lineup. Like I don't think
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  Speaker 4: we can say enough about how much better Junior Kaminaro
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  Speaker 4: is getting every single year For a guy with the
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  Speaker 4: pop power he has, striking out less and last he's
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  Speaker 4: hitting the ball harder more and more often.
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  Speaker 6: He's scary and scary to face.
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  Speaker 4: Dandy Diaz has been like a top eight hitter for
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  Speaker 4: the last five years and no one really.
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  Speaker 6: Talks about it.
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  Speaker 4: So like they have pieces, pieces that have been there
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  Speaker 4: for a while, and then they fill in really well
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  Speaker 4: and they platoon really well and they put people in
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  Speaker 4: the position to be successful, so it doesn't surprise me
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  Speaker 4: that they've been able to rattle off the type of
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  Speaker 4: beginning of the season they've had this year. And the
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  Speaker 4: Aankies are going to be around, be there, and they're
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  Speaker 4: going to be ten twenty thirty games over five hundred
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  Speaker 4: this year, and we'll see where the Rays end up.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, as we've seen in the past, and
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  Speaker 4: about a couple of other teams were about to talk
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  Speaker 4: about a bit small market versus big market, like, it
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  Speaker 4: comes down to what happens in October two so like.
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  Speaker 4: But it's always fun and the Rays have had their
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  Speaker 4: number a little bit in the last five years, so
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  Speaker 4: it wouldn't surprise me if they were able to keep
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  Speaker 4: this pace up.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Todd, I want to swing back to you on
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  Speaker 2: the rosters. So what did you think when they sent
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  Speaker 2: down Spencer Jones after I mean, when four for twenty
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  Speaker 2: four He hasn't locked a ton of AB's yet, and
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  Speaker 2: he certainly looks like he can belong. I know, we
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  Speaker 2: got to see on a larger sample size how much
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  Speaker 2: the strikeout rate balances against getting knocks and getting the
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  Speaker 2: ball over the fence. But were you surprised that Caberra
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  Speaker 2: is coming back and they're keeping Volpi on the big
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  Speaker 2: league roster. Cabiro was their starting shortstop playing every day
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  Speaker 2: he goes on the IL and he's telling the media like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm counting down the days I'm back as soon as
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  Speaker 2: the minimum hits or what.
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  Speaker 1: You know that I have to be on the IL.
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  Speaker 2: When you see Volpi there, I mean, it's fine to
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  Speaker 2: have a backup, But is he just going to be
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  Speaker 2: sitting there riding the bench? Are they going to try
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  Speaker 2: him out at other positions? He hasn't done that before.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder what the plan is there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you think about Schuman. I think it's Daniel Schuman.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, he's the utility guy. He was
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  Speaker 3: a guy that I was like, man, maybe it's in
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  Speaker 3: between there. They might keep him up and send somebody,
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  Speaker 3: send Vopi back down, But they kept Schuman.
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  Speaker 5: There because it's versatility.
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  Speaker 3: I just never I didn't think Jones was the guy
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  Speaker 3: just because you know he can play the alpha. He
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  Speaker 3: can give guys days off and he was just getting
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  Speaker 3: started too. But you do understand with Volpi and how
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  Speaker 3: good he's been playing, there's an opportunity there. But I
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  Speaker 3: think it is ky Biro's spot. I think it's gonna
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  Speaker 3: be his spot until it's not. I thought they were
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  Speaker 3: gonna bring vote down so he can get more reps
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  Speaker 3: and consistent reps too. So we're gonna see how this
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  Speaker 3: plays off. I don't have an inkling of what they're
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  Speaker 3: gonna do. I can only tell you what I think
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna do. But I think ky Baliro is their guy.
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  Speaker 3: They've talked about it numerous times, and it's it's gonna
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  Speaker 3: be You're gonna be hard pressed if you think Vopi's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be the guy that's gonna play shortstop.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if they're gonna move him around. I mean, listen,
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  Speaker 5: they do.
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  Speaker 3: They put him met Rosari at third base when Ry
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  Speaker 3: McMahon is facing a lefty, so they have everything put
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  Speaker 3: in place where Vopie stands. Well know in the next
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  Speaker 3: couple of games, because listen, a guy like that, I
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  Speaker 3: think he needs more reps and you know the Yankees
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  Speaker 3: are keeping him up there.
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  Speaker 5: I don't, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't I don't have this foreseeable future right now
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  Speaker 3: to see what they're gonna do with him.
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  Speaker 1: Right Cambierra is gonna be pissed if he sits for
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  Speaker 1: a game.
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  Speaker 2: He is a spunky dude. He's a little spit buyer
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  Speaker 2: on the team, and Yankee fans love him. I think
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  Speaker 2: the team has loved him more than they even expected.
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  Speaker 2: Trevor he's just, you know, a guy that you know
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  Speaker 2: is out there right like, he's loud with his game.
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  Speaker 2: He also runs as much as anyone in baseball, and
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  Speaker 2: his defense has been incredible. He's one of the top
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  Speaker 2: shortstop defenders in baseball this year. So I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to they didn't fall into it, like they clearly did
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  Speaker 2: a nice job there and plucked him from the Rays.
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  Speaker 2: But he's been much better, I think than they even
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  Speaker 2: thought he would be, so much so that he's run
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  Speaker 2: away with a starting shortstop job. You just don't want
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  Speaker 2: to be like, hey, you know, you missed a week
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  Speaker 2: and a half and now we've got this guy breathing
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  Speaker 2: down your neck who we've been sticking with for a
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  Speaker 2: long period of time. You know, I wonder what that
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  Speaker 2: dynamic looks like. You know, like you've talked to me
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  Speaker 2: about this before. Yeah, it's a team Yankees want to
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  Speaker 2: go out there and win games. But it's the regular
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  Speaker 2: season and guys are fighting for their starting spots and
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  Speaker 2: for you know, their value and free agency and for
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  Speaker 2: Volpi even just being in the big leagues because I
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  Speaker 2: think if he logs another week and change, he loses
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  Speaker 2: another year of service time.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a lot going on there behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's a ton going on it. And just
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  Speaker 4: to kind of touch on the Cavier thing at the beginning,
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  Speaker 4: there spunky great words.
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  Speaker 6: I like that. I'm gonna use that more often. I
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  Speaker 6: think that that's not used enough.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's definitely uh got the got the energy.
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  Speaker 4: We we saw it when he came up with the Mariners.
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  Speaker 4: You know, he'd gotten some uh some some back and
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  Speaker 4: forth with some pitchers as a rookie and then raise
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  Speaker 4: yet a couple of things, and you know, there's those
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  Speaker 4: guys are really important to have on your team, and
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  Speaker 4: he's an He's a guy you can find a spot
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  Speaker 4: for on the field at any given time. As well,
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  Speaker 4: the fact that he is kind of slotted right into
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  Speaker 4: the shortstop spot and then played a really good defense.
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  Speaker 4: Uh is I think just kind of a bonus, Like
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  Speaker 4: that's not what they expected from He's also really good
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  Speaker 4: at a challenging I don't know if you guys noticed,
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  Speaker 4: but he does not hesitate there either, so a lot
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  Speaker 4: of confidence.
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  Speaker 6: And yet you need a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Of confidence to play this game at a high level.
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  Speaker 4: So uh, but yeah, he's been unexpected. I think treat
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  Speaker 4: Uh he was a guy that thought that we're going
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  Speaker 4: to be, you know, have flexibility with and be kind
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  Speaker 4: of additive to what they already had. Now he's become
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  Speaker 4: a major role role player on the team and you
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  Speaker 4: love to see it. But but then again, you still
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  Speaker 4: have the the young guys that need spots that you know,
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  Speaker 4: presumably are still the future of your organization or at
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  Speaker 4: least your core, and you always have to have a
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  Speaker 4: young core coming. So like it gets to the point
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  Speaker 4: where where you have to balance those things.
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  Speaker 6: And this is gonna be weird to say.
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  Speaker 4: The Yankees have a weirder like almost like that's an
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  Speaker 4: issue or a problem a little bit something they have
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  Speaker 4: to think about more often. Because they they are able
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  Speaker 4: to spend money, they're able to bring in free agents,
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  Speaker 4: and they're always going to and so like making space
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  Speaker 4: for a core, they can't just be like we're tearing
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  Speaker 4: it down. The whole core gets a play, go out
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  Speaker 4: there and play kids and figure it out. Like that's
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  Speaker 4: never something they're gonna be able to do. So this
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  Speaker 4: kind of situation where a young guy maybe who struggled
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  Speaker 4: or you know, talk about Volpie here, where he gets
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  Speaker 4: his shoulder cleaned up and things kind of start to
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  Speaker 4: even out again. It becomes that that player that they
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  Speaker 4: expect them to be. Then what do you what do
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  Speaker 4: you do? It's a nice problem to have, but it's
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  Speaker 4: still it's still an interesting one.
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  Speaker 6: Then I'll be watching pretty closely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I know Brian Cashman was in a story
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  Speaker 2: recently denying that they have more urgency this year with
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  Speaker 2: roster moves and that it's just more depth and the ability.
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  Speaker 1: To make decisions versus being stuck with someone.
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  Speaker 2: But I do feel like they're still a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more aggressive this year, guys competing, sending guys, not worrying
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  Speaker 2: about feelings. And I'm not just talking about players feelings.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about front office feelings. You know, some front
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  Speaker 2: offices really stick with a guy and then they throw
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  Speaker 2: them out there over and over again, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: don't sit to them, or you know, maybe it's a
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  Speaker 2: pitcher that they feel like they're going to fix. So
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  Speaker 2: I think we've seen some of that in the past
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  Speaker 2: with the Yanks on their decision making process, and they
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  Speaker 2: seem to be a little bit more aggressive this year.
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  Speaker 2: A corner time with the Dodgers and Brewers matching up
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  Speaker 2: this week in the rematch of the NLCS, let's just
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  Speaker 2: do a deeper dive into the division leaders in the
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  Speaker 2: National League. So, Trevor, can you compare and contrast a
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  Speaker 2: little bit the Dodgers, the Brewers and the Braves. What
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  Speaker 2: you think about the way that they're riding through the
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  Speaker 2: regular season and how that might convert into the postseason.
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  Speaker 1: Where are we at?
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  Speaker 2: Like to use an example, the Dodgers two years ago
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  Speaker 2: were able to utilize an exceptional bullpen to help them
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  Speaker 2: get through and they didn't have a ton.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Of starter meet.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: Last year, they had so much starter meet in October
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: and the bullpen was a problem. Roki Sazaki saves the
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: day after being kind of in wasteland during the regular season.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: So where we at this year with that team versus
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: you know, Milwaukee, We're about to see them matchup and
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: the Braves, who have been off to a sizzling start.
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: Well, I think the Dodgers, first of all, they put
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: their teams together with the postseason in mind. When you
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: win the division every single year, to the point where
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: like nobody even in the front office was there last
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: time they didn't win the division, you kind of start
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: to it becomes a foregone conclusion. And they're so good
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: at finding especially like bullpen help through the season because
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: that's usually one of the biggest turnover areas and could
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: really hurt you. They're so good at finding value from
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: guys on the waiver wire that other teams don't want
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: to fill in those gaps, and they have some strategies
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: for how to and then they have incredible depth with
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: the amount of the amount they spent, right, So, you know,
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: and even Joe Kelly's talking to this too. He's talked
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: about how like they'll they'll like slowly go through I
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: Elston's to where guys probably are ready for a couple
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: of weeks and they're they're kind of just like slow
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: playing and as soon as they need to spot all right,
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: you're back, and and there's they have so much uh
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: personnel they could put anywhere that they're able to fill
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: in those gaps, and they build it.
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: That way on purpose.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: So I always, I always am going to have them
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: a penciled in to be a strong contender in the
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: playoffs just because they're built for that way. But that
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: is a luxury that they have. I would put say
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: number two behind them would probably be the Braves. I
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: think last year was an aberration. They still have this
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: young core, a bunch of guys that wildly underperformed last year,
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: uh combined with some injuries, you know, Chrysale and and
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: and Spencer Stryder was struggling to come back. Strider looks
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: much much closer to the old Spencer Strider. Chrisale is
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: on one once again, and lo and behold, that young
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: core is all coalesced, it coming together, and they tend
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: to like do well together and then struggle together as well.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: So as soon as a couple of them get going,
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: they all tend to get going, and they go on
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: these runs where they're really really good. And it's not
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: surprising one bit with the how the other two you
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: know contenders, we thought they would have with the Mets
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: and Phillies scuffled really hard out of the gate, with
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: the Phillies making them more of a run.
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: I think they're going to make it a little bit closer.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: I just don't see them being overtaken because they have
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: the ability to hit the home run, they have the
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: ability to run, They got good play, good defense, and
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: their bullpen's been really good, and the starting pitchings basalt like.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: They just don't really have many weaknesses, and I don't
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: see them that sets them up for a playoff. They
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: they can go ahead ahead with a team like the Dodgers,
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: who can win with the three run home run, because
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: we know that the three run home run might be
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: the most valuable thing in a playoff series, which then
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: brings us to the Brewers. Brewers don't do that. They
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: don't hit them. I think we saw their earlier in
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: the show. We saw their their home run leaders on
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: their team, and I think second most is the backup catcher.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: That's probably yeah, Gary's age, Like that's not great. Uh,
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: If Jake Bowers is tied leading your team in homers,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: you've got to be able to put up a crooked
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: number in one swing that's just the name of the game.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: The game's always actually that's been the name of the
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: game since the game existed. If you were able to
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: hit three on home run, no matter what era you
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: were in, the chances you won the game went way, way,
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: way up. And it's just times ten in the playoffs.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: So the ability to do that, it's just going to
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: be there. But I do I think that the most
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: consistent team had all of those three. The team that
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: like you can count on to be in every single game,
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: every single day, I'd say that would be the Brewers.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: So it's it's it's getting there's one thing, and then
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: winning when you're there is another thing, and and different
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: strengths come into play.
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: I would say in.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Order of making a run in the playoffs, probably that
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: is one. It's probably one A, one B with the
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: with the Dodgers and the Braves, and then I'd say
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: two would be the Brewers.
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: In terms of position.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you hit a spot on too. I mean,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: if you're talking about the Brewers, not the sexiest the names,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: but guy that are building a culture together, and you
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: think of mister Murphy over there, the head, the head coach,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: the manager. He does a really good job of molding
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: these young guys and some old too as well older
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: and that's why they're playing well. And and don't get me wrong,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: and pitching has been fantastic too, the Braves. If we're
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: talking about the Braves, here's another reason that nobody's really
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: talking about. Yeah, they're doing great, don't get me wrong.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: But everybody else in that division has been terrible. So
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: that helps a lot. As they're moving forward. They're playing
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: unbelievab baseball. Chris Sale is great. They're nine and a
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: half games up, man, and they have been doing absolutely fantastic.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: And everybody else in that division. When they win, the
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: other teams lose. So that is a big helper. And
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: the Dodgers is going to be the Dodgers, man.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: I had them win in the last two years. They've
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: done it.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: They always set themselves up for the long haul, for
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: the finals, for the World Series. You can count them
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: out for as long as we're living, because if they
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: keep on supplying more players, they're going to be in
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: it all the time. But again, you're right, they match
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: up well. But seems like the Dodgers always find a
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: way to get over the hump.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Trevor, do you think that these three teams are the
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: powerhouses in the National League or do you? And I
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: want you to definitely factor in what you're talking about
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: when you mentioned the Dodgers, are they built to be
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: a force in the postseason? I mean, last year we
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: saw the Brewers take down the Cubs in a well
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: fought out series. The Cubs certainly have a good offense
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: and their defense is exceptional. Do they have enough starting
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: pitching we're comfortable with in October?
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Again?
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: We know that teams are going to add at the
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: trade deadline, but we're not quite sure who's going to
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: actually be available yet. You know other teams you can
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: think about for sure? Are the Phillies. Like Todd mentioned,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the rest of the NL East has mostly been poo
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: this year, but the Phillies went on a really good
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: run the last couple of weeks.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: They're good. I don't think you want to face them
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I know they haven't been able to go the distance
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: and run this team back and make it as far
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: as they did a few years ago, But do you
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: want to match up against Christopher Sanchez and Zach Wheeler
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: to start off a series yet?
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: I'm good.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: I mean that that is one of the big things.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Like I kind of whenever I am looking at especially
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: from the pitching standpoint, I just.
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: Call him the playoff three.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: Usually it's the top three guys that are going to
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: carry you most of the time, and your fourth guy
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: is like a bullpen day. No matter what, he's gonna
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: have the shortest leash he's out of the year. So
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: like when it comes to that, the Phillies are well
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: positioned in that way, especially and with hazus Lozardo two
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: and his ability to take over a game just dominate,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Like if he has dialed in going in, they have.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: Those are three guys I don't want to I don't
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: want to go head ahead. And I think that we
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: don't really talk about it because of how the series
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: ended last year. But the Phillies got great starting pitching
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: last year. They just didn't really get the job done
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: at the plate at all against the Dodgers, Like they
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: were outscored by three runs and that's they got beat
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: or four run I think it was four runs four
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: runs in the series, and they're just a couple of
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: moments away.
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: So they're scary.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: I think they're scary especially if they're dialed in, especially
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: with the experience in the Bryce Harper and they got
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: they have the names, they got the Schwarbers, they got
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: a guy who can go deep at any point. The
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: three on homer is always in play.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: They have one of the best closers in the league
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: that throws one hundred and two.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: In terms of firepower, there's not really a place where
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: the ceiling in any area is low. So I would
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: say I put them in there now. It hasn't happened yet.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: And honestly, if the Mets are dialed into, they're terrifying.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: But they just haven't been dialed in at all, like
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: like at all, if all but on paper, if everyone
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: on that team were like playing well at the same time,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: they would be winning every game by nine runs.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: But it just hasn't happened.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: So I would say the Phillies are definitely one of
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: those one of those teams that conversation. San Diego is
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: another team that you know, if the lineup's just feeling
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: good altogether, they're terrifying. It's just not a not gonna
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: be a fun one. There's no letdown anywhere or let
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: up anywhere. They have the potential to be at that
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: type of team as well. The Cubs are close, but
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: I think the starting pitching is the big question mark.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: There's just no real true like you know, I'm when
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: I start, you got no chance. They don't have that
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: guy though, if they had Justin Steele, I think he's
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: got the he's got the demeanor of that guy.
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: Uh and and you'll.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: See how sharp he is coming back, and he will
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: help a lot. But yeah, starting pitcher was always question mark.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: They're like they're an inning it's eating type of starting rotation,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: and that's not great in the playoffs. So yeah, I
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: would say Phillies, maybe Philly is in San Diego, and
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: I'm probably forgetting about somebody else, But I think those
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: are two good guys, good teams to point out that
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: that are able to if they are dialed in, and
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: if both the Dodgers or the you know, the Braves
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: are also playing well and they head ahead, it's it's
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: going to be a slug fest. It's not just going
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: to be one team is just better talent wise than
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: the other.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: I think they can make a run.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: They just have to kind of well, I mean San
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Diego is playing that way. But if the Phillies get
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: going a little bit and they're hot at the right time,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: they sneak in. I wouldn't be I wouldn't be excited
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: to have to go ahead to.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: End with them.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: No, and the Padres know how to build a bullpen
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: too clearly, and now they've got Mason Miller on the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: back end. Dennis Lynn from The Athletic has already been
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: writing about how they're going to be seeking more bullpen help.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: They've been that one team that says, cool, we have
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: two high leverage guys that we love and can close games.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Let's get two more.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: That's the way that they operate in terms of how
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: to get through a season and win tight games, but
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: then also how to get by in the postseason. They
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: haven't hit enough like last year in the playoff series
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: of course against Chicago.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: So let's finish with this. Todd father, what have you did?
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: You?
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Did you do a game? Did you do a Padres
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: game so far this year? Or was that Lewis or
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: is that those two actually right? Yeah, it was those
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: two against each other. So so just to finish with
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: the Padres, because I don't think we've spoken since you
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: did that game. I mean, their two best hitters are
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: what like Gavin Sheets, Miguel and Duhar Campusano when he
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: was healthy. They're getting very little from the names that
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: we know. So everyone's sitting there being like, well, some
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: of these guys are a start to hit right the Tatis.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll figure out the mechanics of the swing.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Machado will get a little bit closer to his career norms.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Maybe Jackson Merrill finds it right, Like what did you
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: see when you were there?
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: I saw a little bit of all that, you know,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: I saw, you know. I talked to Machado a little
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: bit about Tatis. He said, he's fine, He's in a
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: good place. Yeah, he's hitting the ball hard. But then
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: you know, when the rubber meets the road, you really
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: have to figure out, Like listen, I'll take a blooper
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: here or there, you know, just to keep going and
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: that home run it plays with you.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: I don't care who you are.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Guy that can hit balls out of any ballpark, who's
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: a fantastic ballplayer, is going through it without hitting any
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: home runs. And I think that's that's what's going on
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: in his mind. You know, Machado needs to get it
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: going a little bit I think his swing is just
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: a little bit long right now. If he could shorten
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: up and maybe shorten that stride a little bit, I
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: think he'll be fine.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: You know. And you you know.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: The guy that starts it all off, Jackson Merril. You
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: gotta find a way to get on. And these games
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: are real close that they're playing, they're not putting up
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: many runs, and you know, Mason Miller has been that guy,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: and you know, it's it's been one of those things
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: where they got to figure it out. And I think
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: this is a team that will. But as time keeps over,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: we're getting closer to All Star Break the more we talk,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: so they got to get going here a little bit,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: and they're right there. But i'd like to see this
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: team kind of take off and we talk about them
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: going on like an eight to ten game win streak.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if they feel like their bullpen is going
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: to be elite, and they'll have enough on the starting
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: pitching side with guys like Michael King thriving, Nick Povetta
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: coming back eventually, et cetera. We know Aj Prilo will
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: just start wheeling and dealing right like even last year,
• 26:45
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• 26:48
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• 26:49
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• 26:50
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• 28:25
  Speaker 1: So we just got word Trevor Story is actually going
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: to go through with the surgery for the sport turnia.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: The Red Sox announced that Tim Healy, saying that surgery
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: usually requires six to ten weeks. They're getting hit hard
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: right now, Todd Father. We learned some more about the
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Roman Anthony news that he suffered the setback once he
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: swung the.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Bat the other day. I don't want to say hit hard.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: There's plenty of teams that are going through this right now,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: but you know that's another guy that they're not going
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: to see for a while. I know some Socks fans
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: are going to be like good, he was terrible to
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: start the year, but he was good for them last year,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: and I think having a hernia probably holds you back
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: a little bit and you're swinging the bat.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, this injury, I feel like it's it's come
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: up at least once or twice a year, and not
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: just for Trevor's story, but some sort of baseball player. Yeah,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: this one's tough. This one's tough. He still can play.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I love this guy. I love everything about him. He's
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: a leader, he plays a game the right way. I
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: had this Red Sox team doing a little bit more
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: than what they've been doing. Man, they got to find
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: find a way and figure this out. You know, I
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: thought their pitching was gonna be good this year. I thought,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: you know, they're gonna take off a little bit more.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, Roman Anthony, it's been a bright spot. At
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: the same time, though, when you're not winning, you know,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: it doesn't really matter. Yeah, it's tough. Nobody's really talking
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: about him, and that you just brought it up. You
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: want people to talk about you, and the only way
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: they're talking about him is in not the best way
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: because they're not doing really well.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: So this is this one hits hard. This one hits hard. Here.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: This is another key that I was looking forward to
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: to having a really good year.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: And for Anthony the news today from Sam Kennedy there President.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: He was popping up on a radio show called The
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Greg Hill Show. He said, Anthony has a sprain and
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: his ligament on the base of his ring finger no tear.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: So that's what he's going through right now, which sucks
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: for the youngster. You can see where Boston is in
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: the Al East. I mean, the Rais are thirty three
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: and fifteen. Boston's eleven and a half games back at
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: twenty two and twenty seven.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: This is why we have wild cards.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: People, Boston fans already would be quitting on the team
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: and thinking about football season. Meanwhile, when you actually look
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: at the standings for the wild card situation, Boston is
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: if you guys didn't Jack.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Or here it is.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Look look where Boston is, like Trevor, look look at
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: how unbleldnah Boston is this year. They're two games out
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: two you know, Toronto, even Minnesota like these teams are
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: a few winter you know, win streak away, a few
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: games away from jumping into a playoff spot. Currently, if
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: the season ended today, the Rays taking the l East.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: The three wildcard teams would be the Yankees, the White Sox,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: and the Rangers. So like, for as bad as it looks,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: if you if you swim right, if you just stay
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: afloat and guys come back and then you get hot boom,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: you're in the playoffs.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Sincinatti Reds. They were eighty three and seventy nine last year.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: That's we have twelve playoff teams. Guys, like, we're gonna
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: pretty soon, there's gonna be probably I here's I'm gonna
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: throw this out there.
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna throw this out this prediction.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: In the next five years there will be an eighty
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: one and eighty one.
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: Team that makes the playoffs.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Like you just have to not lose more than you win,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: Like you don't even have to win more than you lose.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: You don't lose more than you win, and you have
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: a chance.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: And if you're around, uh, that's why this that's why
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: the trade deadline is kind of a kind of an
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: absolute chaos now is because there's like twenty teams on
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: the like on the fence now, like there's very few
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: teams that are out of it at that point anymore.
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: So that's a good thing.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: They could be also like it could make it so
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: no one does anything. There's like downsides to it, but yeah,
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: you're always in striking distance, especially you know, we talked
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: about the Phillies, We talked about the Mets, like these
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: teams on paper whose ceilings are so high, if everyone
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: plays really, really well that you just need a run
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: at some point with without winning losing fifteenth straight at
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: some point, which unfortunately already happened to I think both
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: those teams almost got there, so like, it can't be
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: worse than that. So like tread water and then just
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: find that, get everyone healthy and see.
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: If you can go on that running.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: If you can line everyone playing well at the same
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: time up, it really is anyone's game, including the teams
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: that maybe weren't expected to do a lot, maybe don't
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: have the highest ceiling.
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: Maybe your run won't be as long.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's a six game win streak or a couple
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: sweeps or whatever you can still get into. It's just
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: about being hot at the right time. And now you
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: know it makes it makes September really fun because there's
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: just everyone. The playoff race is now twenty five teams
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: every year. It's i think it's an overall net positive,
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: but you know, you just gotta you just gotta believe,
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: and you just got to get the output when when
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: at the right time, And you know, we Dodgers keep
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: coming up. It's they've literally built it to do that,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: like on purpose, and they have the ability to do it.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: But if teams think that way and can build things
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: to build it so that they're hot at the right time,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: or at least try to make decisions in that way
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: as you get closer to the end of the season,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: you might build a sneak in and sneaking in is
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: all you need to really do at least step one.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've seen it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I mean we've seen it with I mean the Blue
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Jays last year we're around the five hundred marked then
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: took off after Memorial that we can we see the
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Braves when they went in twenty one.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: They weren't really clicking until August, right.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: You see a lot of teams like in the five
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: hundred range close enough and they just take off as
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: late as August really to.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Make a playoff run.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: This has become a thing again, Todd Father. You know
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Bob Nightingale, who's one of our Insiders on FT wrote
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: about this a couple weeks ago, and people were all
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: over him.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Like the Tigers are going to be in the playoffs, they're.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Not trading Schoogle And then you know John Hayman putting
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: this out yesterday. Tigers have dropped fourteen of sixteen. They're
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: in last place, They're five games out of the wildcard race.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: They have five starters on the injured list. Schooble is
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: progressing since that nanoscope. Chances to extend him or nil,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: So he's talking about how the trade chances are quickly rising.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a total free for all. We
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: spoke about how the American League is not at its
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: peak in terms of how many dominant teams there are
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: that enables you to stay in the race, but they
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: are twenty and thirty one, twenty and thirty one. At
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: some point this team is going to have to go
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: on the reverse of that and start really moving on
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: a run. It's been an issue for them going into
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the second half of last year, right they were running
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: away with things. Cleveland catches up in a historic comeback
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: in the division.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: But now we're in twenty twenty six and this is
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: a problem.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: They're missing their big boy that spills over past one
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: game because he goes so deep into outings. It helps
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: the Bullpen offense is not hitting like they just got
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: swept by the Guardians Todd Father in four games and
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: the Guardians are about double their output and run scored
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: so far in May. And you know, nobody's been bragging
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: about the Guardians offense much over the last few years.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: That's taken a leap, Tiger's taking a step back. Add
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: it all up.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Do you think Derek Scoogle gets traded at the deadline
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: if they are over five games away from a wildcard spot?
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: I would helpe, so I would say yes, I think
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: it would be the time. I think, for one, teams
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: want to see him pitch and pitch a lot so
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: they know his arm is okay, yeah, you were right
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: the second half, even in the playoffs. Aj Hints is
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: a mastermind. But I don't know how he's going to
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: do with this. You know, I know he understands when
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: guys can throw and when to put him in mix
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: and match, But you don't have your number one gun.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: You can't keep doing this through one hundred and sixty
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: two games. And if so, it's a miracle. So yeah,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: this this is gonna be this is gonna be tough.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: You gotta start winning games. You got to start hitting,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: and you gotta start scoring a lot more runs. And
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: the offense, you know, didn't really put that much up
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: late to the end of the year, so you relied
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: on Trek scoobl Man. So this is this is gonna
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: play out a little differently here. I don't see them
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: doing really well even as they move forward, So.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: It's gonna be very interesting.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: I do see them trading him if they are five
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: or yeah, if there are a lot of games out
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: of the wildcard, for sure.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred thousand percent they should trade him because
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: he will not have a higher value then if he
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: is healthy and is cooking around the deadline like he say,
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: he's the number one guy. Look at all these teams
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: we just talked about, the three the playoffs, three pitchers.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: If you've had Trek Scoubel to the three guys you're
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: gonna throw in the playoffs like every team needs it.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: So the prospects or the talent you could get back
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: would be huge. You're not signing him coming back. It's
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: a team that has a very like latoon heavy offense.
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: They've been this way for a few years.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Kerrey Carpenter only faces varieties and then Dak McKinstry, and
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: you know, we were hoping, I think Kevin McGonagall would
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: be like the savior of the in the middle of
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: the order, but like Riley Green, started.
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: Slow, so they they don't.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: It's not fully a complete offense, and it kind of
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: hasn't been.
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: They're not really built that way yet either.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: They ask for a lot of value from guys that
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: don't play every day, and they mix a match, so
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: pitching has had to be the major strength. And then
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: the entire starting rotation got hurt, so that just hasn't
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: panned out. And and so you have to see you guy,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: you got to you know, if you want to try
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: to get a long term solution to maybe the offense
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: that disappears from time to time and gets a little
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: bit of an emich, maybe that's the way that you
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: do it, especially even if you can sneak in at
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: eighty two and you know eighty like is that really
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: what you want to do and just not get anything
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: for Terry Stouble when he just leaves in a few months,
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Like you better, you better get somebody and have a
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: vision for the future. And that doesn't mean just tear
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: it all down, but that does mean you got to
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: make that You gotta.
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: Make that choice.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: And I think that if if we're not drastically better
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: at this point now, I will say the Nationals twenty nineteen,
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: they were nineteen thirty one at this point and then
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: they won the World Cheries, so they also had won Soto,
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: so that's a little different.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: But you know, we want to.
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: Watch what happens.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: He is somehow already almost back from his surgery in
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: like two and a half weeks. He very clearly wants
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: to be on the mound, and one of the big
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: reason they're not playing very well is because he hasn't
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: been pitching.
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: So we'll wait.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: And see, but they better trade him if the dynamic
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: state anywhere near to where they are right now, come
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: come July, it better be better be on the table.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: And I think they will if they're at that point.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: That was the conversational offseason was, Hey, if you don't
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: trade him now, you're not going to trade him during
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: the season because the Tigers will probably be in contention.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Well maybe not if this kicks up.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Evan Woodberry posting this sat on Twitter during this sixteen
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: game skid where they've lost fourteen of them. They have
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the second highest strikeout rate. That's the problem that I mean,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting in jac today. He talks about constantly with
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Detroit and he's like, they just don't have competitive enough
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: abs consistently. There's too much swinging miss. But also lately
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: there's no power lowest power home run ISO in baseball.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: They've been a singles hitting teams from the tweet with
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: a one ninety four average and a lot of strikeouts.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: No wonder they're not scoring any runs. So we can
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: talk about no schoogle and all the guys that are
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: on the IL.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: And I know Troy Meltin's a big deal.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: He'll be able to help them and we'll see how
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: he gets implemented over the next few weeks. Young talent
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: for them, who's got really good stuff. We got to
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: see what he was about in the playoffs last year.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: But guy's got a hit. I mean, it's gotten so bad.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Bless you, Todd father.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're allergic to offense right now, as we can
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: see the notes right next to me. Dude, they're not
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: pretty right, And this is for the whole season. It's
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: been really bad lately. But you know, look at departments
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: here like power, right, if you're a big swing and
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: miss team, you better hit some baseballs over the fence,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: and they're not doing that. They've got forty four home
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: runs this year. That's twenty fifth in baseball, right, Like,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: this is not a team, This is not the contact team.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: This is not the you know, the team that's going
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: to be able to string together big rallies. But they
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: need those two three run homers to win games and
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: you're not seeing a lot of that right now from them.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: And it goes back to comments during the offseason from
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: their front office leader Scott Harris, who talked about how
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: they're going to be better in twenty twenty six based
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: on their young players taking the next step. Any team
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: can say that, you know, they didn't do much to
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: address offense. They felt like they didn't need to. That's fine,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: that's their right. They also did have Kevin mcgonagal coming up,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: who can swing the bat.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: But it's not enough right now.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: No, it's not.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: We've talked about like how this, Yeah, they've had they
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: have McGonagall it's a great kid to have it's just
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: it's a top effect.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: Man. You go to a team that's struggling and you
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: just get called up. You want to put your best
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: foot forward.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: But then if the team's not doing well, you don't
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: want to fall in those traps, but they're right there
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: to fall into. Like you have to find a way
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: to play kind of for yourself. It's a it's a
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: selfish sport and team sport at the same time, because
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: you know you want to be there for a long
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: time and you've got to find ways to win games.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: And when you're not, Oh we're going the same and
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: then you hate going to you don't hate it.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: It's like, oh, we got to go back to the
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: ballpark again. Like it's a job. You got to find
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: ways to do your job the best and they're just
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: not doing it right now.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: And if that continues, i mean, school's getting traded. They're
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: not going to let him go for nothing if they
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: don't feel like they're in the playoff mix.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: We've still got time.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: But yeah, this was the quote from December from Scott
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Harris on the Tigers offense. Just because a lot of
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: the names look the same doesn't mean the team is
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: the same. And that's fair, Trevor. I mean, we do
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: this show every day in the offseason, so you can
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: believe in your team. But most of the time, if
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: the offense didn't look good for an entire second half,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: and then it certainly wasn't pretty in the playoffs when
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: you're facing the premium pitching, if you're serious about making
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: a World Series, you need to figure out ways to
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: address it. And the answer is not always oh, let's
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: just spend money. I mean you can make trades. There
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: are other things that you can do. Of course, you
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: call it prospects like McGonagall, which was a good move
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: to start the season. They invested heavily in from Bivaldez.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: But it's the bats man. It's the bats and if
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: it's it's not going to happen soon. You know, ten
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: games under five hundred a month from now is going
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: to be a problem.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Sometimes it's not about the guys either. Like
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: I it's funny to hear say, hey, I know it's
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: all the same players, but the team's not the same.
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: It's kind of a weird way to say it.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: That's not every People like what wait, what doing the
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: calculus in their head? What I think he means is like,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: just because a lot of the players are the.
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: Same doesn't mean we're gonna get the same outcome.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: And but when you look at it, it's got to
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: be a philosophical thing. How do we score runs? Does
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: that philosophy? Where are we doing that philosophy? Well in
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: the playoffs And the answer is yes, and I didn't
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: get the job done, then maybe the philosophy needs to
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: be visited, which then changes what you need from your players.
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: So like it sounds like.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: And that could be frustrating thing for a fan base.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: It's like, sounds like you're comfortable with the philosophy, the
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: philosophy of like we have guys who we have a
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: different line up against righties in a different lineup against like, uh,
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: there's no like true stud in the middle of the lineup.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: It's just dangerous all the time that you have to
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: worry about and pitch around, Like that's kind of necessary. Again,
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: like the three year and homer thing in the playoffs,
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: they didn't really have that. That's that's you know, that's
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: why they went into every game was sixteen innings because
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: they had good pitching. We knew that, but like they
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: just didn't get the big hit or the big home
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: run that is necessary in the playoffs. So maybe the
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: philosophy wasn't quite needs to be adjusted, and it sounds
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: like he's like, no, the flaw we believe in the philosophy,
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: the flapia is the way that that we want it
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: to be. And then now we're just seeing what the
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: worst version of that philossie when it's not working.
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: This is what it looks like.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: No pop, not a lot of anything, but but but
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: but singles, and then byproducts are that are lack of confidence.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: They start swinging to miss some more and then it
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: just kind of snowballs. It's a tumble effect.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then trust the process gets old.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Todd Father is about an hour away from from that motto,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: right in Philly where it was born. So we'll see.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: But it might be fun. Trade deadline over it always
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: is one of the best times a year. We love
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: it here. But if we have Schoolble added who, we're
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: going to make things very interesting pictures. Yep, yeah, and
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: right it could change the complexion of a franchise. When
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: when you've got a guy like that and you make
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: the move