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Hotwired From Bill Gifford Utilizing Our Body Heat Not Running From It · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 2: Arrow is broadcasting from his sauna in Charlotte.
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  Speaker 1: Boys not the truth. Oh we can get hot down
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  Speaker 1: here in the South. But I'll tell you what, I
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  Speaker 1: sure have learning to love the heat though and not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily run away from it.
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  Speaker 2: That's good.
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  Speaker 1: But see, and that's the thing about it. I feel
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  Speaker 1: so weird that, you know, everybody's always complaining about, oh,
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  Speaker 1: the planet is warming up, and am I the freak
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  Speaker 1: by going I kind of really want this to happen
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  Speaker 1: because I think that the heat is such a powerful
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  Speaker 1: positive thing for our lives.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's it's what we evolved in for starters,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we suddenly, you know, a million years ago,
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  Speaker 2: our ancestors who weren't even humans, So it's even before
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  Speaker 2: humans popped up. Our ancestors developed this ability to sweat randomly,
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  Speaker 2: and evolution was like, hey, that's good, We're gonna mutate
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  Speaker 2: that gene like ten times in like a short period
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  Speaker 2: of time, and suddenly we had all these sweatlands for
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  Speaker 2: cooling that no other animal has. So we are we
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  Speaker 2: we are suited for for hot weather. You're not wrong.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing is, though, that does shock you though,
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  Speaker 1: when people you know, do that, they do everything to
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  Speaker 1: get away from the heat and things. They'll drink cold things,
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  Speaker 1: they'll eat cold things. Everything is cold, cold, cold, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that's that's natural thermal regulation. Right. We have
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  Speaker 2: this desire to keep a stable body temperature, and so
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  Speaker 2: when we sense that we're getting hot or we feel
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  Speaker 2: too hot, and that's different for everybody, you do things
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  Speaker 2: to try and cool off. So you you know, jump
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  Speaker 2: into cold lake, right, or take clothes off, or eat
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  Speaker 2: sushi or whatever, you know, anything to cool yourself. It's natural.
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  Speaker 2: We want to maintain a constant body temperature and heat
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  Speaker 2: is a threat and our brain knows that. So that's
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  Speaker 2: why we take measures to do heat. And some of
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  Speaker 2: those measures are are helpful. Right, sweating's good.
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  Speaker 1: But you know where I become confused, though, Bill is
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  Speaker 1: when your doctor will look at you and say, go
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  Speaker 1: home and put that on ice, do not use heat.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to argue with that doctor because why
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden is heat not good for us?
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  Speaker 2: To these doctors, well, you know that's an old traditional viewpoint.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you remember the old rice thing, right, rest
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  Speaker 2: ice compression and elevation. So that was super popular for
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  Speaker 2: decades and for like one hundred years. And then finally
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  Speaker 2: the doctor who popularized that, I think his name is
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  Speaker 2: Gabe Murkin. Ten years ago he came out and said,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, the ice thing might not be might
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  Speaker 2: not be the greatest because some of the stuff that's
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  Speaker 2: going on with the heat and even inflammation in the
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  Speaker 2: injury context is actually a healing response. And same with exercise,
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  Speaker 2: you get inflammation and that turns out drives a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the beneficial the gains. Essentially, inflammation can be good.
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  Speaker 1: See short term, you're changing everything that I believe in.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's the reason why I'm so attracted
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  Speaker 1: to this book, Hotwired, is because you're opening up my
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  Speaker 1: eyes to a different level of thinking. And then the
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  Speaker 1: thing about it is I'm one of those activators. If
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  Speaker 1: I learned something new and I know that it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a positive, I'm going to take hot wired
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to make it a part of my life.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome. Yeah, and there's a lot to you know, there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot. There's different ways to use heat, right. You
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  Speaker 2: can use it in this in the sort of sauna
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  Speaker 2: context and you're just kind of sitting around and relaxing
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  Speaker 2: and maybe talking to friends or along with your thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: You use it an athlete context right where you deliberately
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  Speaker 2: and Olympic athletes do this. They deliberately train in the heat,
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  Speaker 2: and they found that they initially did it so they
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  Speaker 2: could survive these hotter Olympics, in the hotter Tour of
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  Speaker 2: France and hotter marathons, and they're finding that training in
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  Speaker 2: the heat is like altitude training, so it actually makes
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  Speaker 2: you stronger in all conditions.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things where I kind of giggled like
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  Speaker 1: a child is when I read that you've traveled around
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  Speaker 1: the world to all these different saunas, And of course
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  Speaker 1: my heart, because I study Native American spirituality, I thought,
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  Speaker 1: but has he been inside a sweat lodge? Oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: what an experience.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, Sweat lodge is tricky. Sweat lodge is like
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  Speaker 2: the most intense. It's dark too, yeah uh and super hot,
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  Speaker 2: right and take no prisoners.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you study. Here's the thing that a lot
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  Speaker 1: of listeners don't understand. And I realize real readers are
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  Speaker 1: going to do the same thing. They want to push
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  Speaker 1: themselves away from the heat because they're uncomfortable with the
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  Speaker 1: sweat or how your body's reacting. How can we convince
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  Speaker 1: them to learn how to trust what is happening to
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  Speaker 1: the inner core of your body.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's trial and error, but I'll say, you know,
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  Speaker 2: sweat gets a little bit of a bad rap, and
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  Speaker 2: people don't like to be sweaty because you think it's stinky.
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  Speaker 2: There's actually two kinds of sweat. There's like the armpit sweat,
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  Speaker 2: which is like the stinky, gowey, gross stuff, and the
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  Speaker 2: bacteria to eat that, and the bacteria make the smells, right,
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  Speaker 2: So that has not a lot to do with heat.
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  Speaker 2: The other kind of sweat is just water and salt,
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  Speaker 2: and that's the stuff that's on your forehead, on your chest,
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  Speaker 2: on your arms, the stuff that cools you off. So
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  Speaker 2: that stuff doesn't smell. It's fine, it's just water, So
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  Speaker 2: don't you know, don't be uptight about it.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, just get over your ego and quit
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  Speaker 1: being so vain.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah kind of yeah. I mean, you know, nobody wants
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  Speaker 2: to go, you know, to a job interview covered in sweat, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, sweat does get a bit of a
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  Speaker 2: bad wrap in our culture.
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  Speaker 1: You really open up my heart, you know when you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about thermal philosophy and physiology as well as mental health.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason why is because I am big into meditation.
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  Speaker 1: I've just never thought about pulling that warm heat in
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  Speaker 1: my soul outward through that meditation. I just figured that
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  Speaker 1: it all comes naturally. But it is something that you've
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  Speaker 1: got to work on one day at a time, is
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  Speaker 1: it not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely? And there there are monks and yogis who
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  Speaker 2: can there's such powerful it's maybe it's not even just meditation,
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  Speaker 2: but their minds are so powerful. They can actually control
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  Speaker 2: their body temperature right, like they can make one side
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  Speaker 2: of their body hotter than the other. Or they're these
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  Speaker 2: these months in the Tibet who do this meditation that
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  Speaker 2: that generates heat within their body and in their extremities.
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  Speaker 2: So the I found that like the mind body connection
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  Speaker 2: kind of runs through heat to a certain extent, and
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  Speaker 2: getting warm, the sensation of warmth has sort of mysterious
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  Speaker 2: effects on your mind that we don't fully understand. I'll
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  Speaker 2: give you an example. There is a kind of a
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  Speaker 2: great study that they did where they sent students up
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  Speaker 2: to do like an interview with a person, and the
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  Speaker 2: person acted the same every time. But what happened was
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  Speaker 2: in the elevator, the person guiding the subject up would
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  Speaker 2: I hand them either a warm cup of coffee or
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  Speaker 2: a cold cup of coffee iced coffee. People who held
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  Speaker 2: the warm coffee had a warmer response to their interviewee
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  Speaker 2: really than the people with the cold iced coffee. So
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  Speaker 2: the warmth physical warmth translated into interpersonal warmth. It's like wow,
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  Speaker 2: like how how how does that work? See?
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  Speaker 1: I see, Oh, I gotta go real with you here
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  Speaker 1: for a moment, I drank my nice, warm, hot coffee
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  Speaker 1: with these interviews throughout the morning, and as that coffee
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  Speaker 1: is almost well, man, you just explained something to me,
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  Speaker 1: because as the day goes on and I started drinking
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  Speaker 1: the cold coffee, all of a sudden, my mindset does
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  Speaker 1: change on me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, really interesting. Yeah, Well, I'm a little sad too.
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  Speaker 1: My coffee's yeah, I just associated with my mother's womb.
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  Speaker 1: I'll sit there and I'll tell myself, do you think
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  Speaker 1: that's what it is? Because I thought I was insane
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  Speaker 1: by thinking like that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, sort of existentially, warmth is comfort for us and
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  Speaker 2: cold is like scary and death and going back thousands
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  Speaker 2: and thousands of years our ancestors, you know, cold is
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  Speaker 2: much more dangerous to us than warmth. Right, A warm
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  Speaker 2: day isn't isn't in Charlotte, isn't going to Isn't that dangerous?
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  Speaker 2: But it really unseasoned the cold day, A lot of
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people are gonna, you know, have a
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  Speaker 2: hard time. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you go below seventy two in Charlotte and
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  Speaker 1: we're all complaining for months. Oh my god, it was horrible.
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  Speaker 2: Ah.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, speaking of that, so because I do put
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  Speaker 1: so much concentration on on heat and its strength and
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  Speaker 1: what it does to the human imagination. But the thing
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  Speaker 1: about it is that I do get cold quicker, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand why that is. If the mind wants
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  Speaker 1: to go back to the heat, so therefore it creates
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  Speaker 1: the cold to get me to go back the other direction.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think if you spend a lot of time
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  Speaker 2: in hot situations, you can become heat adapted, and I
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  Speaker 2: think that that can impact your your cold tolerance to
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  Speaker 2: a certain extent.
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  Speaker 1: You did you like walking those roads when it was
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  Speaker 1: one hundred degrees? Because man, there is nothing like a
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  Speaker 1: path when it is so hot outside. Because it's like,
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  Speaker 1: that's how I get rid of my allergies, That's how
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  Speaker 1: I get rid of my body aches. That's how I
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  Speaker 1: can speak to myself clearly, is through the heat. Did
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  Speaker 1: you go through the same thing?
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  Speaker 2: Really? You know, I had an interesting experience. I did
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  Speaker 2: this thing in Texas, the bike ride called the Hotter
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  Speaker 2: in Hell one hundred eehaw, and it was terrifying to
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  Speaker 2: think about. And I went and did heat testing. So
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  Speaker 2: they tested my heat tolerance in the interested of Connecticut
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  Speaker 2: and I was terrible. And I did some heat training
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  Speaker 2: and then I went down as did it. But I
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  Speaker 2: was really I was scared, you know, scared out of
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  Speaker 2: my pants the night before. Then I did it. It
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  Speaker 2: was one hundred and seven degrees on the road and
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  Speaker 2: I felt fine. It was it was it was surreal. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So I I could do more than I thought I
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  Speaker 2: think it was interesting, but it was. It was also
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  Speaker 2: like it was it was almost like an out of
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  Speaker 2: body experience in that not meditative, but like my mind
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  Speaker 2: was on a different on a different plane from it
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  Speaker 2: was a journey.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Bill Gifford coming
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  Speaker 1: up next. The name of his book is hot Wired.
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  Speaker 1: The hidden power of heat makes us stronger? Do you
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  Speaker 1: believe in that? Oh, let's dig in a little bit
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  Speaker 1: deeper with Bill Gifford. I would love to hear all
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  Speaker 1: the comments from people that are going to share with
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  Speaker 1: you there are bad moments with heat, something that they've
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  Speaker 1: never heard.
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  Speaker 2: Let go.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason why is because mine Toungue River Reservoir
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  Speaker 1: right there on the border of Montana and Wyoming one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and four degrees and everybody goes, do not drink alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: It will affect you, dude. I have never forgotten that
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  Speaker 1: day because I didn't have that much, but I would
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  Speaker 1: I went crazy because because of the alcohol, and it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't even that much alcohol, but it was the heat
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  Speaker 1: that infected me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So mentally, oh god, it was horrible. Yeah yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean you know it's stress, right, heat? Heat? Stress
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  Speaker 2: is stress, and you know alcohol can exacerbate that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: finish people don't have a problem, you know, drinking several
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  Speaker 2: beers during a sauda session. But yeah, I mean he
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  Speaker 2: could be stressful. It could be no ly stressed. So
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  Speaker 2: that's what's interesting about it. It's a it's an uncomfortable,
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  Speaker 2: stressful experience that can have in the right context, positive
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  Speaker 2: effects on health, aging, even mental state. One of the
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  Speaker 2: things environmental heat that you can't escape is a different thing,
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  Speaker 2: and that can be tough.
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  Speaker 1: You're right about that, because it's changing. And the thing
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  Speaker 1: about it is, though, is that so is the humidity,
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  Speaker 1: not just here in the South but all over the world.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of people up north don't understand what
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  Speaker 1: this humidity thing is. But see, I see that as
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  Speaker 1: a positive. It's when it's not here that we begin
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  Speaker 1: to ache and we creak like old people.
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  Speaker 2: I live in a dry place, right, I live in Utah.
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  Speaker 2: Who hot dry, Your sweat evaporates, which is great. Humidity
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  Speaker 2: is tough, and you're right, humidity is increasing in many
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  Speaker 2: in many places. It's it can be tough, but it's
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  Speaker 2: something that can be adapted to. Also. This heat adaptation
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  Speaker 2: works in more human conditions as well.
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  Speaker 1: Can we finally change the rules of the everyday life
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  Speaker 1: between men and women because they always said that men
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  Speaker 1: sweat and women perspire. Can we just flat out say
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  Speaker 1: that it's time and it's okay for women to sweat
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  Speaker 1: with us.
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  Speaker 2: Women sweat, women like sweating. Yeah. I was at a
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  Speaker 2: sauna festival in New York City a couple of weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: and uh, yeah, there were a lot of women in
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  Speaker 2: their younger women getting very sweaty, and they seem pretty
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  Speaker 2: happy about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they walk around democratize.
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  Speaker 2: Sweat, right, we need a quality of sweat. Well.
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  Speaker 1: I've always believed that's the reason why people don't come
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  Speaker 1: out of their their workout clothes, because they want the
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  Speaker 1: world to see look at me, I sweat, I got
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  Speaker 1: wet man, I did my thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but did they did they? Or they just wearing
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  Speaker 2: the lemons?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, look at you see. That's that's the
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  Speaker 1: honesty that people will find in Hot Wired. And the
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  Speaker 1: thing is is that you really do unveil a lot
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  Speaker 1: of powerful things and how heat is positive for our lives,
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  Speaker 1: especially as we start growing into the spring and summer months.
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  Speaker 1: But my question is I'm that guy that like that
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  Speaker 1: went into the infrared sauna at the for therapy, bored,
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  Speaker 1: bored out of my mind, could not wait to get
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  Speaker 1: out of that thing. And and am I and I
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  Speaker 1: just be in a dink here.
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  Speaker 2: Uh you know, wait, a lot of us are challenge
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  Speaker 2: I get bored too. And I think a lot of
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  Speaker 2: us are challenged to to sit with our thoughts and
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  Speaker 2: not have a phone. And but yeah, I was in
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  Speaker 2: the sauna yesterday. I was like, oh, it was a
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  Speaker 2: silent sauna. It was, and I was on my own.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, it's a little boring. They have so
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  Speaker 2: in Europe they and increasingly in the States, they have
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  Speaker 2: these performances that happened in a sauna. Like I'm not kidding.
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  Speaker 2: They have people will do like a little they'll do
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  Speaker 2: they'll dance or whatever the music. They'll put like scented
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  Speaker 2: ice balls on the on the sauna rocks, they'll wave
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  Speaker 2: towels around and it's a whole like performance thing. I
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  Speaker 2: think because people get bored in the sauna. I once
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  Speaker 2: saw like I saw play short play in a sauna,
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  Speaker 2: like fifteen minute play somebody. I saw somebody do opera
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  Speaker 2: what aliens called alf goose, And it's it's a whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: God, I would like to go in there and cut
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  Speaker 1: a commercial. Man voice over a commercial. I'd be in
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  Speaker 1: there going kay ron fifty five songs in a row,
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  Speaker 1: listen to this voice?
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  Speaker 2: Is that? Because?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's good for the voice that heat.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the steam to the you know when you
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  Speaker 2: put the water on the on the rocks and you
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  Speaker 2: get that humidity. Yeah, and it's good for your skin too.
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  Speaker 1: So let's go that route when it comes to heat,
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  Speaker 1: when you talk about what's coming off those rocks versus.
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  Speaker 1: There have been some saun as I've been to that
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  Speaker 1: have been electric and I feel like I fried my
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  Speaker 1: skin rather than enjoyed the humidity.
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  Speaker 2: Of it all exactly. And it's it's like you're it's
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  Speaker 2: like you're under the sheet lamp, yes, you know, Chili's
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, and you're just kind of like parching and wilting. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're grilling. You're you're being grilled. Yeah, that's not pleasant.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, in Finland, I keep going back to Finland.
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  Speaker 2: They're very particular about the steam they're putting the water
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  Speaker 2: on the rocks, and it has like they're like they're
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  Speaker 2: like wine tasters. It has it has a quality to
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  Speaker 2: it and they judge it.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you see though, that the energy inside of our
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  Speaker 1: bodies is really our superpower that we actually could become
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  Speaker 1: a Marvel or a DC fanatic or even one of
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  Speaker 1: these players if we would just learn to trust the
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  Speaker 1: heat in our body.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, if we would just learn to trust our body
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  Speaker 2: in general. I mean, we're tremendously capable and adaptable and
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  Speaker 2: smart creatures, right, and we can handle all kinds of environments. Right,
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  Speaker 2: There's a reason, you know, people lived in North Carolina,
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  Speaker 2: people lived in you know, ancient humans migrated to Mexico
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  Speaker 2: to Canada what's now Canada. So we can handle all
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  Speaker 2: kinds of environments. But heat seems to bring out some
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  Speaker 2: special abilities because that's where we evolved.
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  Speaker 1: Are we going to start seeing you on tour or
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  Speaker 1: on Hulu or Netflix? Because I would love to see
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  Speaker 1: a TV show with you on it where you travel
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  Speaker 1: to every one of these places to do the sauna
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  Speaker 1: and you get to have conversations with authentic people outside
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  Speaker 1: as well as inside the sauna.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a great idea. And you know, heat
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  Speaker 2: has like a bonding like these you're in the sauna context,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like a bonding experience, and that kind
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: of goes with the cold plunge as well. If you're
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: doing this kind of I think it's because you're in
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: this like crazy hot environment that is slightly dangerous and
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: it breaks down some In additions, so I've actually made
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: some great friends on this journey around the world.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Wow, my favorite thing to do inside of sauna. You
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: don't even have to speak words. You could just look
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: at each other and through your eyes. Yeah, it's damn
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: hot in here. How you doing, I'm doing good? Yeah,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I mean it just just just the body language is
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: just so different.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's like, yeah, we got this.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where can people go to find out more about you? Bill?
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Because I'm so in love with hot Wired, I really
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: think that you're tapped into something and that this is
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: a new way for people to explore and really discover
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: a truer self.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I kind of leave it all on
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: the table in the book in certain ways. I'm on
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm on the usual social media at Bill
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: gifford x Instagram threads. Is anybody uses that, Yeah, I'm
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: out there. Yeah. I appreciate your interest in the book,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: and I hope people read it.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Absolutely well, please come back to this show anytime in
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: the future. The door he's always going to be open
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: for you.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Love to great talking with you will you'd.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Be brilliant today and stay hot, dude. Okay YouTube, Okay,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: bye guy.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Alright, Errara