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Leadership with Betty Ogiel - Part 2 | Episode #356 · Legacy Living with Dr. Gloria Burgess

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  Hello, and welcome to today's show, Legacy Living, Make Your Life Count.
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  I'm your host, Doctor Gloria Gloria Burgess, international leadership expert and trusted
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  adviser. Welcome to Legacy Living, Make Your Life Count. I'm so delighted
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  that you joined me today. I have a very special guest on our show.
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  Her name is Betty o'guiel, and this is the second part of my
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  conversation with her. Now, if you happen to miss part one, be
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  sure to find it and listen in to learn and be inspired by Betty's journey
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  and her wisdom. Betty is joining us today from her home country, Uganda.
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  She's an amazing author, an inspiring speaker, and most importantly, she
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  is an advocate and I'm going to say, a champion for hope and resilience.
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  I can't wait for Betty to share more of her remarkable journey and story
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  with you today. Let me give you just a tiny preview. A number
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  of years ago, Betty was severely injured in a car accident, an accident
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  that paralyzed her and left her speechless. By God's mercy and grace, she
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  overcame paralysis, speech loss, and speech impairment. Now Betty will share more
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  about her story my conversation with her. She also shares more about it in
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  her book Against All Odds. I will let you know how to get a
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  copy of her book later on in the show. In addition to writing,
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  Betty hosts a series of monthly forums which she calls Against All Odds Talks.
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  These talks are absolutely and positively purpose driven, and Betty's purpose is to inspire
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  hope and resilience and to transform lives. Betty is the founder of the Betty
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  Ogiel Foundation in Uganda. Her foundation is a charity organization that educates destitute orphaned
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  girls, especially girls from Karamoja, an impoverished region in Uganda. She is
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  also a multiple award winning human resources professional and she's a on Maxwell Team certified
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  coach. Today's topic is resilience and leadership, two topics that are near and
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  dear to my heart. And I can't think of a better person, a
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  better leader, a better human being to address this topic than Betty. I
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  met Betty several years ago when I was attending an international Maxwell certification conference in
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  Orlando, Florida. When I met Betty, we just resonated, We just
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  clicked, and when I had an opportunity to hear her speak, she spoke
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  so passionately about her life and her purpose. She was absolutely on fire.
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  So I can't wait to host this incredible, amazing and lovely human being,
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  my friend, colleague and mentor, Betty Oguiel. Now, before I bring
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  Betty, I want to take just a minute, just a moment, to
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  connect the dots between today's topic on resilience and leadership and legacy living. And
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  there are many ways that resilience and leadership connect to legacy living, which you
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  will hear more about later. For now, let me say that legacy living
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  is a way of being and a way of living and moving through the world
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  so that we can make the conscious choice to be the difference we want to
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  see in our world. We make the conscious choice right here, right now,
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  not in some distant future. We make that conscious choice day in and
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  day out, three sixty five, twenty four seven. More about that later.
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  One more thing before I bring Betty on. Just a reminder, this
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  is part two of our conversation and if you missed part one, sure to
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  listen to that episode. Now let me introduce you to my friend and colleague
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  and mentor Betty Ogiel. Betty, I love your spirit, and you have
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  a spirit of you have a spirit of resilience. You also have a spirit
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  of love, and I see you as love in motion. And one of
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  the ways that you live out that compassion and mercy and care and hope and
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  resilience and love is through your foundation, the Betty Ogiel Foundation, And I
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  wonder if you can just tell us a little bit about that and why you
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  started it and where you are now. Okay, thank you. The Betty
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  Ogil Foundation. I touch it it because my vision is not to see any
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  often girl go through what I went through to attain any education, at least
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  not under my watch. So the foundation supports education of the volunerable girls,
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  especially from the important various regions of Uganda, that is Karamoja and Essel where
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  I was brown and bread and Caramega. Of course we're most of my life
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  pred comments happen. So I made it through education, but I went through
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  immeasured rebel obstacclls and challenges. And my number one challenge was school fees.
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  I had a dream. I had a dream, but I had an obstacle
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  called no school fez m right from the time I was abandoned by my garden.
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  I had no one to feign for me and give me school fez,
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  and yet I had a dream. I cried to go to school. I
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  cried my heart out today attention of our neighbors who were also poor, and
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  he could not support me. The only thing that you could say, stop
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  crying. You are going to die, Yes I will, and that at
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  that time I did not care. All I wanted was to go to school.
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  Yes, And I guess I did not care crying and dying while uh
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  oh, hoping to go to school. So I the foundation supports girls,
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  especially the needed of fans, and we cater for all the scholastic materials and
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  including the field. Most organizations which support education give only school fees. But
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  I'm telling you I was in a direct situation where giving me school fees was
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  not enough. I had no transport money, I had no clothes, I
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  had no books, I had nothing, no accommodation. So now we support
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  the girls in everything. And my my first graduate is Slivia Mording. What
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  is her name? Slivia as why l V I am moding? So yes,
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  I did not know her, but I met her in high school and
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  she lost her dad and her dream of education was to end there, and
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  I picked interest in a letting her complete education. So she is now completing
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  university this semester. I must tell you that we decided to educate her when
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  we did not have any penny for our tuition. Yes, just like the
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  way I joined university. Yes, under private scholar sponsorship. Without a sponsor,
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  I guess my my sponsor was God. Yes. Yes, but through
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  persistent modi belialization of fans. Yes, she is almost completing three years.
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  Uh course, without resilience, we would have stopped the way because I tell
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  you last was it early last year? Yes, it was general worry of
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  yes, before COVID it. To enable her go back to university, we
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  we we had to to draw unclear our savings account, like the money we
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  had self. Yes, yes, and I did that because I'm passionate about
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  helping people. Because I'm here because someone else sacrificed and helped me. So
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  there's no need of me having money in the bank account while a girl is
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  an often girl having a dream of education being shattered. Yes. Then secondly,
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  this strong face was that in my high school I had a friend,
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  and I talk about this friend in my book Against All Odds, which people
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  can get in the Amazon. This girl committed suicide because she wanted to continue
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  with the education and she had no sponsor. That the person who who had
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  paid for her to a certain level said that was unable to to to continue
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  sponsoring up and she couldn't imagine life without achieving a dream of education. And
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  that is how she committed suicide. And that really hurt me because this was
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  a beautiful guy, she was intelligent. All our dreams are now lying in
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  their grave. Yes, and your your mission, your purpose is to not
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  let that happen to other girls. No, no, not under my watch.
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  Yes, not under your watch. And you know, Betty, So
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  we have listeners all over the world, and not everybody really understands what it
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  means to be an orphan girl, an orphan child, an orphan girl in
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  particular in Uganda. So can you tell our listeners what that means and why
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  this is so important for you? Okay? And often child in Uganda,
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  depending on which kind of family they are from, but speaking for many,
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  when you lose your brand winner life, life becomes hard. Yes. Uh,
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  you have no shelter, you have no food, you have your dreams
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  are taken away from you, your voice is taken away from you. Anyone
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  can do anything to you. Yes, you are at the mercy of anyone
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  and everyone yes, yes, yes so. And to add on to that,
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  being an often girl in a karamoja at that time, the karamojung did
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  not appreciate the value of educating a girl because a girl was supposed to be
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  married off. The family gets counts and you go and suffer. Yes,
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  And it's seen that happening to most of all my friends who dropped out of
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  school. And I never wanted that to happen to me, and now I
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  don't want that to happen to any girl dropping from my personal experience, when
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  my father died, I was too young to understand anything, but stories are
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  told to me that because my mother was an illiterate woman, had not gone
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  to school and seeing the black ball at all, right, and she was
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  a peasant farmer, a house wife. Yes, my dad, on the
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  other hand, was educated. So when he died, my mom was left
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  with the seven children, left to an eat literate woman who does not know
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  how to speak English, and so we were distributed to our relatives, to
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  our uncles, uh and uh, we became slaves to the people who were
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  assigned to But before that, someone saw as suffering with the our mother.
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  We had no clothes to put on. We were were wearing rugs. We
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  were making knickers. Me and my sister were nick making nickers with the leaves,
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  with the rugs. Yes. So a good Summaritan sent for us a
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  bill of used clothes, used clothes, and I picked one dress, and
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  that dress became my everything. I went to my uncle's place within that dress.
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  It was not a new dress, it was a used dress, but
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  it was my standard where it was my uniform, it was my Christmas where
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  it was my night dress. It was my everything. And when it is
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  good worn out, I cut and I had only a scut. Yes,
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  And that is the life of and often thank you you are of other people.
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  It sounds like yes, yes, and I didn't mean yeah. I
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  didn't mean to cut you off. So please no, no, yes,
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  And you have no rights. All rights are taken away from yes. So
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  when you say that under my watch, this will not happen under my watch,
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  I yes. I really feel the power of that, Betty. And
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  thank you for sharing more with our listeners, because I know that they will
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  feel the power of what you're saying more fully with that deeper understanding of what
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  it means to be an orphan in Uganda, you know. And this is
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  this is twenty twenty one, right, yeah, thank you, thank you,
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  so Betty. I'm curious about this. And lots of people see the
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  thread, but very few people hold on to that thread, that thread that
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  you talked about, that thread of hope. And so I'm wondering if you
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  can just share with our with our listeners, why you need to hang onto
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  that thread and to fight for that thread. You know, challenges, problems
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  are meant to refine us, just like fire pur fives gold. So when
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  you let that thread go, you are giving up in the process of pure
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  reflication. You might give up when you were about to come out to be
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  released. So the problems are meant to to to to purify us, refine
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  us. And and and uh m hm. This is saying that a faith
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  that has not been tested cannot be trusted. So we will they all first
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  trials, will be all first tribulations adversity. But the real thing is never
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  to give up. If you catch yourself almost giving up, do this find
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  a reason for loving yes, remember your dreams, aspire for something. Realize
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  that moment is not permanent. I want. I always tell people that there
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  is no permanent situation as good or by. But I have seen people who
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  were born extremely poor under poverty, triken circumstances, and they have just because
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  they never gave up. They held on that thread and now they are living
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  equality life. And I've also seen people who big, who were born with
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  the slivers spoons in their mouths, and they they let their spart there,
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  that sliver spoon out and remained within nothing. They failed to to hold that
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  sliver spoon. They misused the opportunity. People are like us who were born
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  with a horse and its ship balls and it slashers in the mouth. Know
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  that yes you have, you have. You cannot let that slasher go.
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  That your future is in in that whole. So find a reason too for
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  living, have a dream, Focus on what is happening, not what is
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  not happening, and realize that it is a moment like no other to to
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  to not give up. Yes, thank you, Betty, Thank you Betty.
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  So you know you are a lot of our story, yours in mind
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  intersect and so I don't live in Uganda obviously, but I live in the
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  United States and was born into extreme, extreme poverty, and so I really
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  identify with what you're saying. And I'm just wondering before we close, if
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  you could just talk a little bit to our listeners. You were you were
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  put in these circumstances, and you fought, and you were dedicated, and
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  you held onto the thread and you focused and you found a reason. And
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  so can you talk to our listeners. You know, is this something that
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  you were born with or are these traits that anyone anyone can reach into and
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  develop. I believe resilience is like a muscle. All of us are born
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  with them muscles, and and some of us go ahead and it revelop our
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  muscles, work physical go on physical work out to develop our muscles into strong
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  yes, to strengthen our muscles, and some of us decide not to to
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  to develop our muscles. So everybody has a trait of the resilience. Everybody
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  can be resilient. It is just depends on what you decide at the end
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  of the day. Because when things happen to you, whether you are a
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  president or a job blessed person in the street, oh oh, a minister
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  you all have the same decision to make bether to give up the the devil
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  and keep on keeping on. So resilience is the choice you make that you
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  are going to and all this situation in and with a positive, no mental
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  attitude. Thank you, no matter what, Yes, no matter what,
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  no matter what, be a no matter what person. Yes, someone asked
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  me in the office, Betty, you are ever smiling? What do you
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  ever get annoyed? Of course, I ever, I get annoyed, I
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  get mad. I but but I don't. I've gone through a lot in
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  my life that I have will mastered how to manage my emotions. And yes,
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  everyone has the resilience seeds of residence in them. It is just up
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  to you to activate them. Let me arn with this story. In the
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  twenties seventeen, when I released my book Against All Odds, there is a
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  lady, a CEO, who read my book and and he requested for a
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  meeting within me. And in that meeting, she was like, Betty,
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  did you go through all these things you have written in the book. Then
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  I said, yes, I went through. How did you manage? I
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  think for me, I cannot. I would have given up. Then I
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  say, I told you know, what do you do when life pushes you
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  in a corner? Like fight of light mode? Like what do you do?
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  So some of those circumstances just pushed me in a corner. I had
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  to fight to get in the fight mode and and and that is how I
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  overcame. Then then I told her you can also overcome. You have the
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  ability, you have the seeds. Oh my god. Unfortunately, six months
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  later she got an accident. M hm. Yes, she fell and her
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  uncle twisted and she was on a crouching She was moving with the support for
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  a long time. Then she called me, Betty, do you know what
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  to me? I said, no, I got an accident, and and
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  I remembered what I had told her, And she told me, you remember
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  what you told me that those words keeped me going, keeped me going.
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  You can also do it. Yes, everyone has seeds over residents. Yes,
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  thank you for sharing that story. Absolutely. Thank you for sharing that
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  story, Betty, And you know, thank you for just breathing life into
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  into your own life, into the lives of others, and into the lives
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  of our listeners. You know, stories are so powerful and your story is
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  amazing, So thank you for being here today with me as a guest on
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  my podcast, and I'm going to be sure to share your material, your
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  information, your contact information with our listeners. So thank you, so very
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  very very much, Thank you too, Thank you too, and thank you
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  too. You are listeners for being here and listening to me, And we
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  can all develop our resilience muscles. We only need to change our thinking patterns
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  towards resilience and know that, yes, what you mind is what you will
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  mind. If you have a chicken hat, you can not have a lion's
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  share. Don't give up on your dreams. Yes, thank you so inspiring,
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  rock solid gold. Right now, be sure to tune in for part
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  one of my conversation with Betty. In Part one, she shares more about
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  her story and more about why it's so important for her to transform lives through
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  the power of purpose, resilience, and hope. I feel so blessed to
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  know Betty. Clearly, she is a leader's leader. Betty makes a difference
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  in her own life and in the lives of so many others, in her
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  own family and throughout the world. In her work as an author and speaker
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  and as a certified John Maxwell coach, and as the founder and leader of
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  the Betty Ogeel Foundation. As I mentioned earlier, her purpose is to inspire,
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  hope and transform lives. Now you know why. To learn more about
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  Betty's work, you can go to this website. It's the Betty Ogeel dot
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  com website, and that's Betty b E t t y O g i e
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  l dot com. Okay, that's www dot Betty Ogeel dot com. To
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  learn more about Betty's inspiring story and to buy her book Against All Odds,
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  be sure to go to this website. That's www. Against All Odds dot
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  Life l i f E Www Against All Odds dot Life l i f E.
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  Now, if you're just joining us, I'm doctor Gloria and this is
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  Legacy Living. Make your Life Count. We've just heard from my very special
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  guest, Betty Ogiel, author, inspiring speaker, and JMT coach. Be
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  sure to tune in for part one of my conversation with Betty and be inspired
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  and transformed as she shares all about her amazing journey through difficult obstacles, through
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  trying circumstances, and her triumph over adversity against all odds. Now, if
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  you want to make your life count, if you want to be the change
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  you seek. Be sure to listen to this episode again and again, and
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  be sure to tell somebody. Now you can find me right here on Talk
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  I want to give a shout out to all the women, men, and
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  our young people and children all around the world, because you know what,
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  we are the ones. We are the ones we have been waiting for.
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  What do I mean by that? What I mean is don't wait. Don't
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  wait for somebody else to step up and speak up and make things happen,
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  because guess what, they might not they might not step up. In fact,
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  they might not even know you're there waiting for them to do something for
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  you. But you can be the one. In fact, can I just
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  tell you something, You are the one. You are the one who can
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  the lives of others. Now, remember this, How you live, how
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