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/r/agt Reddit Posts · AGT Time Pod - America's Got Talent Fancast

• Cody: Everyone welcome back to another edition of AGT time commenter. I want to up vote this pod AGTCommenter: where you're up voting this, would you, is there any pods of ours that you would down vote? Cody: Yes, yeah. ⁓ I'm sure there's a couple that I would down vote but No, no, no, no, no, that's not fair because I think you know the the Bach brothers they do a fantastic job There was the was it your personal that it was you and Ryan, but I was kind of in the background And and then any of the ones before me. I mean, I don't want to discount you do those so yeah, yeah AGTCommenter: All the ones you were never on. Sure. Yeah, we had fun with that one. Yes, no, was more of, it would be funny if you were just like, yeah, don't really, whenever I'm not on, I certainly don't listen. Yeah. We are, the up vote is topical to this episode, because Cody and I are doing today, we are just gonna have a little fun, ⁓ doing some thoughts and hypotheticals on AGTV. ⁓ Cody: Well, I do listen because I still have to edit it. So, okay. AGTCommenter: different threads that have been posted on the AGT Reddit over the last, most of them were probably within the last year or so. ⁓ I pulled 25 different threads that we could get to. ⁓ My anticipation is that we won't get to 25 different threads, but we'll see where this takes ⁓ us. it's a non-listener submitted question and answer episode for Cody and I. ⁓ And there's some, There are some interesting questions that we get to talk about. So ⁓ I'll let you go ahead and just tell people where to find us and then let's get into this. Cody: Yes, you find us on our socials at AGT TimePod. You can email us at AGTTimePod at gmail.com and go check out our new website, AGTTimePod.com. got our pod episode, it's got the AGT Hall of Fame, it's got a blog which is somewhat getting started and maybe this is a good place where we post the rest of these questions and let people kind of comment on them or talk about them and whatnot. AGTCommenter: Yes. We'll see what it becomes. Cody: ⁓ Commenter kind of a couple of things news related from the from the from the pod I want to start off by first congratulating ⁓ our good buddy Jay Jay graduated from college William Penn University In education so congratulations to Jay. I know he's been working on that for the last couple of years has had to make some sacrifices But I think it was all worth it. So congratulations to him and we'll we'll talk to him more about it when we hit season AGTCommenter: Yes. Yes. Yes. in a couple weeks. Cody: Yeah, a couple weeks when we hit season 21. ⁓ Second thing, I went and saw the Texas Tenors. Yes, yes, yeah. AGTCommenter: You did. You did. ⁓ Give us a recap, Cody. How was your experience? Did you book him for an interview? Okay. Cody: Yeah. I tried. ⁓ tried. I messaged them and I asked them if we could do it and I unfortunately did not hear back. ⁓ I did try it. ⁓ I'm gonna say, here's some observations. I got some notes from the show. But one of my observations was, I think I brought down the mean average for the, yes. AGTCommenter: Okay. Age? You euthanize the crowd by being there? Cody: I think so. ⁓ I did not realize how much the boomer generation and the probably elder Gen X generation loves the Texas Tenors. AGTCommenter: Kind of the mid 50s and up is kind of... Cody: I think it was more mid 60s and up. Yeah. Yeah. It was all boomers, again, elder Gen X because Gen X is like from 65 to 80. Uh, so, you know, it's going to be like almost 20 years older than actually almost 10 years older than me. So yeah, maybe, maybe older fifties, but it did seem like it was more in the sixties and up when I left the, when I left the venue, when I walked out the doors, when the shows was over, there was a line of senior AGTCommenter: Okay, so basically all boomers then. Cody: ⁓ Senior citizen buses Yeah, yeah, so seniors Senior senior center butters. Yes. Yes, there was a lot of ramp usage. There's a lot of elevator usage. So ⁓ I Did I did I felt I felt a little out of place just because it felt like the crowd geared more towards that ⁓ There was at least one lady because they asked us during the show AGTCommenter: Sure. Yeah. Was the ramp getting used to get out the doors? Yeah. So you felt young though, Cody? That's nice. Sure. Mm. Cody: If people had seen them before and they've commented that they it's there there they had there were they were seeing some Familiar faces one lady raised her hand that she'd been to more than 20 Texas dinner shows AGTCommenter: Man. Kudos to her though. Cody: Yeah, actually they got a groupie. They got a groupie that follows them around so AGTCommenter: Yeah, that's ⁓ I don't understand that. I can't even wrap my head around being like at show number 20, Texas Tenors. But you had a good time. Yes. Cody: So... I had a good time. Let me kind of walk through the what happened at the show. So start off with the national anthem, of course, obviously, Texas Tenors 250th birthday. They they mentioned that they're going to be doing they were going to do more kind of America national type shows as we approach this. So start off with the national anthem. They I believe it was them singing it from the wings. AGTCommenter: right. Cody: So everyone stood up sang the national anthem, but they kind of let it from the wings. It was really really cool experience ⁓ Like AGT they utilized the big screen on the stage ⁓ and so we had a lot of ⁓ I Wish I had my Tyra clip because we have some technical difficulties. Yes, so ⁓ they they have their drummer and he typically doesn't do this. I think it was a ⁓ Certain circumstance that he had to run the computer AGTCommenter: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Hmm. ⁓ no. ⁓ no. Cody: to the graphic show. Parts of the show, he had trouble getting it going. ⁓ But kudos to the Texas Tenors. Pros as they are. They were able to ad-lib, they talked about their time on AGT, they talked about their history a little bit. They did a great job at filling the time. was... AGTCommenter: Mm-hmm. Scoof. Sure. Yeah, my guess is that this is not the first time that they've run into maybe some of the... Because my guess is they play some smaller theaters and stuff too that might not always have the best tech and AV guys working the best panel and everything. Cody: Sure. Mm-hmm. Yes. ⁓ Also, I wish Peter's was around because the cheese was all over AGTCommenter: Was the cheese... Yeah. Yep. It was cheesy. I was gonna ask. Like, they're still really cheesy. I love it. That's good. Cody: Yes, are they are they start off with like a medley of course some Americana medley some very good, you know, historical rock songs pop songs They start off with that. They did some gospel songs, which is really good ⁓ So the the three guys JC is it JC right Marcus and John JC son now plays the guitar in the band And this was his first show where he played the full show. So it's now a family a family event. It's very cool AGTCommenter: Sounds right, yeah. Okay. Nice. Yeah. Cody: So they would have, there was a three of them, there's a drummer, ⁓ his son, and then they have another guy that plays guitar, piano, kind of moves about and does some various things. They told a lot of great stories. So again, their history, how they came together, how they met, their time on AGT, all that type stuff. Before the show, of course, on the big screen, they have a ⁓ slideshow that scrolls that shows how they can get tickets, their tour dates. AGTCommenter: Mm-hmm. Cody: pictures they then would play some clips from their time on AGT but the clips that they showed were all from champions. AGTCommenter: Yeah. Yeah, I conjectured that it might just be because the resolution is so poor ⁓ from 2009 that they just couldn't even, it wasn't worth using them. Cody: Yeah. Yep. So I was with you on that. But then during the show, they actually then did another full video to maybe about a two minute video of their time on AGT. And it was a lot of it was a lot of season four and then also champions. But the videos from season four looked very familiar because they had at the bottom, you know, the little ⁓ AGTCommenter: Mm-hmm. Cody: like the information from the studio, the station, like you would see on actual TV. So it wasn't clean videos that they maybe got from AGT. It's like, I'm sure they have the rights to do it, obviously, but it still seemed like it was the videos that you and I are familiar with. AGTCommenter: Right. Right. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I like that they've kept their AGT roots. They seem to... Cody: Yes. Yes. AGTCommenter: for one reason or another, it might just be because they don't have a choice, but they seem to appreciate what the show has done for them over the years. Cody: Yeah. Yeah. Yes, absolutely. if it ever, you know, think we may have talked to her in there rewatchable if it's a AGT is a headline or a footnote still headline still headline, baby. So yeah, that's okay. That's okay. And then so that was kind of the first half of the show and then took a break and the second half of the show was more it was more it wasn't as high as the first half. It's a more mellow more more laid back. They did a lot of AGTCommenter: Seems like it's a headline. Yeah, that's good. That's good. Well, the crowd's getting little sleepy. Cody: The people the couple actually took to the left of me they left so So this and this is the matinee. This is like a three o'clock show. So it wasn't late It was a matinee show. It's afternoon time, but it's after church, you know, yes, they had dinner they sure so So second half of the show a little more laid-back. They did some solos. They did some Originals, they have a couple originals. They sing they sang unchained melody AGTCommenter: ⁓ no. ⁓ no! Okay. Sure. They had dinner. It's four o'clock. Nice. Cheese. Cody: Yes, so we're very familiar with the Unchained Melody. And what they did, I think that's the one they sang during their time on Champions, they sang along to the video that they did on Champions. They were spamming AGT, yes it was, it was exactly that. They did an opera song, I'll give you two guesses which opera song they did. Nessun Dorma, baby, nailed it, Nessun Dorma, baby. AGTCommenter: They're just spamming AGT. It's like you're out of taping of AGT. Nessun Dorma. Nailed it. That's good. Cody: They did an Ed Sheeran song and they did a Bruno Mars song. So yeah, yes. I had a good time, yeah. AGTCommenter: There you go. They've got range. Yeah. So you had a good time. That's good. That's good. How long was the show? Like, 90, it was about two hours. Okay. Nice. Yeah. How many in the theater you think? Is it like a 2000 seat theater, 1000 seat theater? Cody: About two No, it's I think it's a 2,000 to 3,000 seat theater. It's smaller than The Pasadena or or the Dolby it was mostly full it was a sold-out show, but it was mostly full And I sat in the balcony I was in the front row in the balcony kind of in the middle I mean it was the only when I bought my ticket It was the only single seat available on the front row. So I had a really good really good view of them so AGTCommenter: Sure. Was it full? Full, yeah. Sure, nice. ⁓ sure. Yeah. Nice. Well, I'm glad you got to do some boots on the ground AGT for us. You've been one of our more reliable boots on the ground guys. I know Jay went out for ⁓ Christy Seller stuff, but yeah, that's good. And now you're contemplating ⁓ more boots on the ground work for us ⁓ this summer. ⁓ Cody: Yes. I've tried. Yes AGTCommenter: You ⁓ Sam Comerow is coming to Chattanooga in July, Cody, and it's ⁓ relevant to what we just spent the last two, three months doing, talking about season 13. 7 p.m. at the Comedy Catch in Chattanooga. How far is Chattanooga from you? Okay. Cody: Yes. Yeah. So that's where my mom and my sister live. So it's about three and a half hours. So I would go and see them and then and then go see Sam Comerow if I chose to do that ⁓ I'd have to see what the cost of tickets are and determine if it's worth it AGTCommenter: Yeah. Yeah. So I looked, there's a wheelchair accessible tickets for 28 bucks. General admission excludes the first two rows in front of the stage. And you don't know what your seat is until you get there. That's $28. And then preferred seating, seating in the first two rows of the stage. that's 38.75. Cody: Okay. Okay. Okay. AGTCommenter: 28 bucks for a ticket just in general regular seating I don't know if you need to be in the first two rows to get the full Sam Comrow effect Cody: Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna say it's $10 worth being in that extra. So yeah. AGTCommenter: Right, 28, highly reasonable price. So, yeah, you might have to think about it. It's a Friday evening, so it doesn't conflict with any of our watching or recording of AGT material. yeah, no, mean, you're our boots on the ground guy. no, that's good. I'm glad you were able to go see your Texas guys in Tennessee. It's just all of your worlds coming together. Cody: Yeah. Yeah. AGTCommenter: anything else on your your text tenors trip ⁓ Cody: No, no, I was, the one thing I was shocked at was the lady that saw them more than 20 times. AGTCommenter: Yeah, and not great when people are leaving. Mid-show, that's not ideal. Okay, I did want to, before we get into some of the crux of what we're doing today, I wanted to do a little cleanup on some of our season 13 stuff. This will be quick, but ⁓ it's been a couple weeks since the finals dropped when people are listening to this. Hopefully everybody really enjoyed the season 13 stuff. We had a lot of fun with it. What a season. Spectacular season, we had a good time. Cody: No. No. Yeah, yeah, even though I forgot who won it when we did our eight millionaire game. AGTCommenter: ⁓ Yeah, let us know what you guys thought of millionaire too. We just put that out. Shout out Jacob. Came in and saved the day for you and got you to the over on correct questions. So congrats to... Big shout out to Jacob. He was ready season four. ⁓ I was thinking a little bit more, was listening back to the finals episode and I was thinking a little bit more on the results of season 13. And then combine that with last week when we recorded Who Wants to Be an HD Millionaire? Cody: Yes, that's right. AGTCommenter: There was a question in there that those two things kind of got my the juices in my head working the wheels started started turning and that's a dangerous place for this podcast when the wheels start turning in my head stuff starts going sideways, but one of questions in the millionaire episode we did was about how many golden buzzers have won the show and it was eight if you recall Cody, do you remember that out of a now 11 seasons so Cody: Sure, yes. Not four. I think so. I think it was between 50-50 and was four and eight. AGTCommenter: Yes, not four. Is that what you ended up guessing? Yeah. Yeah, so Eight out of 11 Golden Buzzer seasons have had a Golden Buzzer winner, which is a high, I mean, just short of 80%. It was, and it was 80 % going into this pat. Like we were eight out of 10 after season 19. So it's been a, it's been a high, sorry, we were seven out of 10, but yeah. So it's been a, it's been a big, it's been a big deal. So it started getting me thinking of like, how did Shin Lim, did Shin Lim like, How impressive was this victory actually? I think it's the most impressive win in AGT history and I'm not doing this to pump shinlimbs tires. I don't need to do that. The people, the American people did that plenty for me by voting him to win two times in a row. I don't need to, that's not what I'm doing here. I'm trying to contextualize kind of, cause you and I both were like, the votes are actually, was a surprising result. He was obviously talented enough to compete for the win, certainly. Cody: Twice. Yes, that's right. AGTCommenter: But in this era, it's like Golden Buzzerz just win. so there's two others. It's him, Tevella in 16 and Adrian Hurricane in 18. Those are the three that have won the show without a Golden Buzzerz since that started in season 10. So I wanted to compare it to the other two and be like, okay, am I overrating this win? And I don't think I am. Can't really compare it to 18 because there was... And I'll explain why in a second. So basically to me, there's three things that are the best markers for us to use to figure out who's going to win the show. Who got a golden buzzer? How viral were they? Were they internet sensations, the Vanderwalls, the Darcy Lynn type pop, the Hadwin type pop? then Cody, we don't get any contact. We don't get any data given to us on voting, right? But Cody: They only tell us this is the closest result in AGT history. Yeah. AGTCommenter: Right, but AGT over the years has been kind enough to give us a little bit of context clues to how voting has been going in the form of the saves, the Duncan saves, the instant saves. We learn a lot from that. In season 13, in the quarterfinals, if you were in a save, that meant you were either sixth, seventh, or eighth top vote getter of the night, which is not very good in a quarterfinal. Semifinals, it meant you were fourth, fifth, or sixth. And I've had a pretty hard and fast rule one because it's Cody: Yeah, yes. Yeah. AGTCommenter: true and two, I think it will continue to be. If you end up in one of those, you're not gonna win the show. If you can't get into the top five of your quarterfinal, you're not gonna get the most votes in the finals. So we've used it as a pretty good eliminator over the years. And so I went back to compare 13 to 16. You can't really use 18, because that was when they were doing the five qualifiers, Cody. There was no instant saves. I couldn't find the context to compare it, but 16 did. And here's kind of my thing. Season 13, I think we had three Golden Buzzers that we just watched that went pretty viral back in their season and were never, and were, made it to the finals. Keterer, Hadwin, Zerkrow. All of them, they checked those boxes. So I wanted to go to 16. The five Golden Buzzers that made the finals in, or yeah, five Golden Buzzers made the finals in season 16. Of the five, Jimmy Harad was in an instant save at some point, so was Leah Kyle, and Victory Brinker and World Taekwondo were both in judge's choice at some point. So they were pretty eliminated on finals night, we were pretty clear. So the only one that never was in a save and had, I think, a pretty good viral video but not really crazy was the Nurse Choir. Cody: Yeah, okay. AGTCommenter: That's who Tevella had to beat in his final. I would say not an overly impressive Golden Buzzer to have to beat personally. They weren't super viral. They didn't even make the top five. They had the story and that was about it. So you go to season 13. Keterer, Hadwin, and Zerkerow, all three were never in a safe. They were all straight through. I would say were pretty viral Golden Buzzer, especially Hadwin. And that context to me is like, Cody: They had the story. Yeah. AGTCommenter: How did one of those three not win the show? Because in the history of this Golden Buzzer era, one of those three just wins the show. So that was the, the more I looked at it, was like, ⁓ this, this might be the hardest, the most impressive victory we've seen, at least in the modern era of AGT, because just every piece of data points towards one of those three winning. And obviously it ends up being clearly his highest competition was Zerkerow, because they end up second. But to me, can't believe one of those three didn't win. really, everything would have pointed to them. So ⁓ the more you and I watched that season, think we were kind of surprised that he beat some of them, but you had Zercherow as your winner. ⁓ And it's pretty shocking that one of those three just didn't win, Cody. And if we had a choice, think both and I would have thought Zercherow should have won. Cody: Mm-hmm. AGTCommenter: based off of those three, I think you would agree. So shout out Shin Lim. I wanted to clean up that a little bit. I said, don't think we gave enough context in the finals episode about kind of how improbable that win actually was. And it's why I think throughout the results night when the golden buzzer, when those three kept, especially Keterer and Hadwin kept getting eliminated, that the judges were like, this isn't, what's happening? Like these, one of these is supposed to win. so shout out Shin Lim. Cody: Yeah. Yeah. AGTCommenter: And I think it's also fun because we're to have some voting conversations here in the Reddit episode so it all kind of bakes together. any other stuff, season 13 cleanup you want to talk about? Should we do some Reddit thread conversations, Cody? Let's do it. Hold on, my glasses. Cody: Let's do it. AGTCommenter: Here we go. So, this is where I want to start. I want to start on some voting conversations. So, there's a handful that I sent to Cody to prep for and the rest, Cody is going to be flying blind. So this first couple here are going to be ones, Cody, that you have not seen or prepped for. So, the first topic here is about the voting details being released. Kind of what we just talked about a little bit. So, Taco Shower on Reddit. Cody: Okay. AGTCommenter: Asks this was eight months ago. He says he or she they say kind of wish they would release the details about the votes I wish they released the exact number of votes each actor sees. I'm curious to see how close of a race it was Agree or disagree Cody would you like to actually see the bar graph that shows this amount of votes for this does it does it I? Guess maybe my question is does it just spill the beans too much and we kind of know how the season is gonna go Cody: So I think yes, I think that's part of it is that if someone you got to go one of two ways if you show The voting results it will I think definitely ⁓ Impact how people vote in the next round either they want that either they're gonna throw more votes the person that didn't get as many votes or they're like ⁓ well, this is clearly cut clearly the favorite I'm gonna go ahead and vote for the one that's in the lead and then just give them a bigger lead AGTCommenter: Right. Cody: I also don't think it's, I think it would take away from part of what the show is. The show is not about the voting. It's about the talent. It's about the contestants. And as much as I am a numbers guy and statistics guy, and I love all the technical details, I'm all about the contestants and the acts. It's not about the voting. It's not about the judges. It's not about the hosts. And so just knowing who's going through, that's fine. AGTCommenter: Sure. Cody: They're gonna now it's just going through. I believe all of this is all validated by a third party. yeah, I have no reason to believe that there's any shadiness. I think it's all about, I really honestly believe it's all above board. ⁓ and I don't believe in AGT, especially since it's a contest involving money. has to be all legal and above board. ⁓ so I don't think there's any of that. AGTCommenter: Yeah, there's an adjudicator of some sort, basically. I agree. Right. Cody: I just want to get excited for the contestant that's going through and get upset for the contestant that's not going through. ⁓ I don't really, I don't think it would help us to know what the actual numbers are. Yeah. AGTCommenter: Right, I agree. ⁓ Again, they give us some context by doing some of those saves and stuff. ⁓ Cody: Mm-hmm. Now, I will say, during those saves, we'll see at the very beginning a graph, but then we never see it again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. AGTCommenter: Right, but then they, yeah, it's just for intrigue. ⁓ I think it keeps some of the magic alive as the season goes of what's going to happen. ⁓ Yes, sometimes there's results that seem pretty obvious and it ends up being the case, but a lot of years now, we kind of get to results, finals night, and we have our handful narrowed down again. We can get rid of... Cody: Mm-hmm. Yeah. AGTCommenter: chunk of them. Now we even have the live show Golden Buzzer which feels like a good eliminator at this point too. But we usually can narrow it to two or three which is plenty. It makes things very intense on results night. ⁓ There's no worse group of people in the world to me, and this is hyperbole, obviously, because there's way worse people, but there's no group of people that I look down upon less, more, whatever, than the stuff is rigged crowd of people. Because those people, I was trying to think of an analogy and I couldn't really think of one, but basically is what I found is if you're a this is rigged person, Cody: You AGTCommenter: you think everything's rigged. That's their response to everything that's ever happened. So you either think, like I've found is people either think nothing's rigged or everything's rigged. And it's like, so you just walk around with nothing. Nothing is in your control. Everything's just happening to you. You have no choice of what's going to happen when you go vote for AGT. It doesn't actually matter. They're just picking the winner. And if that's the case, why on God's green earth would they pick Adrian and Hurricane to win season 18? Cody: Right. AGTCommenter: They rigged it for the dog act, like that performed first on the night. Like what do we do? What are we talking about? ⁓ So I have a real disdain for the this is rigged crowd. Cause again, everything is rigged in their mind. And it's like, how do you get up every day and do stuff if you have, if the outcomes predetermined your whole life? I guess I don't understand this, I think the, I think keeping the veil over it a little bit is good. Cody: Yes. AGTCommenter: ⁓ And yes, there's times where I'm like, like how much did Jessica Sanchez actually win by last year? My guess is the vote might not have been particularly close. But I don't really need to know that, I guess. So you and I both agree it's probably best, the response is on the thread where everybody wants to know. Reddit is not the greatest. ⁓ What do you want a focus group in the world? But that's okay. That's that's that's part of it But any other thoughts on the voting results being released? Cody: Right. This is a show about entertainment. It is a competition, absolutely, but it's also just a show about entertainment and I just want to show up and be entertained. I do have my favorites. Sometimes they're actually the ones that I want to do well. They may also be the ones that are on my team. ⁓ And so I just show up and I want to be entertained and part of my entertainment is being happy for the ones that I want to go through and upset for the ones that I wanted to go through that didn't go through. AGTCommenter: Right. Right, yeah. All right, next one is sticking on kind of the voting thing. This person basically, this is hugedependent1391 on ⁓ Reddit. The kind of the crux of this, basically their hypothesis is that because we vote, that in and of itself means that no one was robbed. That because there's no one gets robbed, like, because we say this sometimes. Cody: Okay. AGTCommenter: so and so, know, Aiden Bryant got robbed in season 16. It's like, if you believe in the voting process being kosher, then how could they be robbed? Because it's a vote. And the American people decide, and it's a big enough group of voters that, and I actually find this to be kind of an interesting concept of being like, we sit here on this show all the time and be like, can't believe this result. Cody: Mm-hmm. Okay. AGTCommenter: This is ridiculous. Clearly this one's better and it's like, well... They voted. we, our best way to describe it is we just can't figure out where the votes came from. But ultimately, like this thread says, is you can't say they're robbed or made and so and so to win because it's fan voted. So you're basically calling people who watch the show dumb. Like they got, they don't know what they're doing. And it's like, well, with a vote that large, it's a big enough sample size to be like, well, yeah, they weren't robbed. This is. Cody: Yeah. Yes. AGTCommenter: This is what the people thought. What's your thoughts on? Because of the way that it's set up, there's no such thing as getting robbed on this show. Cody: Yeah. Yeah. So I've not just talked about this. think last week, the week before that I don't know what America thinks. And I do think America is dumb. So as all I do think that America is dumb. I think America does vote badly at times. Yes, it is a wide enough and it's not a sample site. It's a population. Everyone that votes gets a gets a number, right? So that's a population. ⁓ And so I think that the population set at times. AGTCommenter: Right. Okay, fair enough. Sure. Right. Yep. Cody: votes in ways that I don't agree with and when they don't vote in the ways that I agree with, I think they're dumb. So. AGTCommenter: Yeah, but I do, kind of believe the thesis of it, which is basically we can't sit here and say that they got robbed because the vote was the vote. Cody: Yes. Yes. It didn't get it right if they didn't AGT didn't take it away from the person. No, that makes sense. Yes Yeah Right AGTCommenter: Exactly. Yeah, we're just coping because we didn't get the result we wanted, ⁓ yeah, okay. Those two kind of flew together, so I wanted to do them back to back. I'm excited for this one, Cody. This is another one that you haven't been prepped on. This one comes from foreignpain5896. Cody: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm more entertained by the names that people pick on HTT. Yeah. AGTCommenter: The... Yeah, Reddit names are great. The title of this one is, AGT Even Need Judges Anymore? This person says, not fully educated on AGT and how it completely works, but I'm very confused on why it has judges. The auditions part of the show obviously is solely based on judges' opinions, but after that, they're completely useless. They just give simple, they just simply give their opinion to the act and leave the rest for the audience. ⁓ I in the earlier seasons had the judges pick the axe moving on after, you know, in like a judge cuts or whatever. ⁓ Can anyone enlighten me on why they, at that point at what, what the point of having judges are? And some people had some, different answers on here, but I thought about this. I like the, they're correct. After the auditions, the judges are, they're just statues. They're just there to have a filler for three minutes. Where I wanna go with this question more than do we need judges? I want us to talk about what would this show look like without them? Cody: Okay. Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah, that's exactly what was on my mind as you were talking through this. AGTCommenter: Yeah, so what do you think, how do you do this show without judges? Because I do think there's a way to do it, but I'm interested in what your brain is kind of going to on this. Cody: Okay. I just mentioned that the show is not about the judges, it's about the contestants, think but judges are a part of it. It's not about them, but they are part of it. And I think without the judges, and maybe this is just, I'm not getting creative enough as saying back to the future, I'm not thinking fourth dimensionally, ⁓ I might not be getting creative enough about this, I think without the judges, it would actually not be a very interesting show in the live shows. It would be, they performed, and then what? AGTCommenter: Mm-hmm. Cody: Like they just leave like we go to commercial break and we're just done. But what's the hope? But what's the host? Good with? I mean, we have Tyra that can fill 15 minutes with all of our podcast questions, but we could. But then but then but then what Terry comes out? Hey, thanks. Great job. Hey, just so you can remember. Hey, it's an 888 number, not 8, not 800. ⁓ can voting is now open and then OK, and then here's who's coming up next. And then like, OK, well then I kind of I like. AGTCommenter: Right. Well have a host, you still have a host, but that's it. Right, we might get longer performances then, Cody. Yeah. Yep. Cody: Even though in the live shows as of late, when the Hoff did it, when Pierce and Howard did it, early Simon, the comments actually were, I'm not gonna say helpful, but there was something there. They were actually giving like some feedback. Sometimes they gave bad feedback like, hey, we wanna hear something different from you. ⁓ wait a minute, you changed it? Why'd you do that? Yeah. So at times I like it. AGTCommenter: Insightful, Right. Yeah. Why? Yeah. What's going on? You're supposed to keep doing what you're doing. Cody: But as of late, I do agree with this person that they're a lot of times just generic. I think we heard that in our season 13, especially in the finals. was generic and vague and great job and... AGTCommenter: Yeah. I agree. ⁓ this person strikes me as somebody that kind of made it seem like maybe they're somewhat newer to the show or not. I'll say this. Right. Here's my thought. Plainly hypothetical of what would it look like if we didn't have them. There's two different ways you could do auditions. One, there's just not televised auditions. You do the... Cody: Mm-hmm. Well, they did talk about the older seasons. Yeah. Yeah. AGTCommenter: producer auditions and they just pick the ones they want in the live shows or you could vote on auditions and here's how you do it you would air it and then people go and vote and that's who gets sent to the live shows and they just you just find out three months after you audition which is fine they find out you know they wait three months for live shows to start anyways It would be very odd to just not have. But what if season one started and there was no judges? And it basically ends up being like a Variety, Ed Sullivan Variety show. The host comes out, introduces who's up next, comes out, says great job, dismisses him from the stage, and then brings out the next act. It's not a format that's impossible to pull off. And once the voting starts, you certainly don't need the judges to properly advance the show by any means. ⁓ Cody: Mm-hmm. AGTCommenter: I would like to see one episode. Just ⁓ the first quarterfinal in season 21 and the judges just aren't there. Like, what would happen? Cody: Hahaha I we would miss a lot of things like Howie being involved in the act, the close-up magic, being able to go down to the table and interact with them, ⁓ Mel B asking a bunch of questions and getting confused. I think we would just miss a lot of that experience. It would be a worse show, yes. AGTCommenter: Right. Right. Yeah, I think it'd be a worse show. ⁓ And you and I, I we are on part of it too. We've spent so much time with these judges that they're a part of it for us. Like they're the recurring characters, the main characters of this television show. ⁓ it's a revolving... You could argue that they're the main cast and then it's a revolving guest star every year. Cody: That's right. That's right. They're the silly neighbor that shows up. Yeah. ⁓ okay. Got there with new axe. Okay, okay. I see what saying. AGTCommenter: the contestants are exactly we spent way more time with them than we did any contestants that's been on the show obviously so ⁓ alright any other thoughts on getting rid of the judges on AGT Cody: Sure, yeah. You know, okay if it was a show where we started that way and we never knew of it then We wouldn't know any better but after 20 years and we all of a sudden got rid of it. We'd be like, whoa, that's a AGTCommenter: We wouldn't know any better, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be a real jolt. ⁓ Yeah, okay. Should we move on? Cody, this is one you prepared for. ⁓ So this is the first one I think on your list. This one comes from Labubu King. It's a pretty basic question. Cody: Nice. AGTCommenter: Who was the comedian that made you laugh the most on AGT in the last 20 years? And there's no real follow-up. They did use a picture of Josh Blue in the post, which he did not make my cut of favorites. ⁓ Cody, you can give one, you can give a couple if you want. Who are some of or the comedian over the years that made you laugh the most? Cody: Okay. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Sure. So I kind of thought about some comedians, know, preacher Vicky. just talked about, ⁓ there there've been several comedians that have been really Tom Cotter. There've been the friend of the pod, Tom Cotter, some comedians that did a very good job at making me laugh, but I didn't. And I, I, know this is the question, but I didn't go this route. went a little bit different route. kind of veered from it little bit. It's not a comedian. The one thing that made me laugh the most on the show. AGTCommenter: Yes. Mm-hmm. Cody: was Chris Jones hypnotizing Howie. I was on the floor watching this, yes. And so I think if you wanna talk comedian, that would be Howie. Howie's a comedian. That what he was doing made me laugh harder than anything I've probably ever seen. Huh? Yeah, it made me laugh harder than anything I've probably ever seen on this show. ⁓ Just because of how incredibly insane it was of what he was doing. And we talked about, AGTCommenter: You were cracking up. Really? Interesting. Yep. Sure. I like that. I like that. Mm-hmm. Cody: You know, ⁓ you know, rigged and stage and all that. And I've seen kind of people talk about this Chris Jones thing and I don't believe it's something that how we would knowingly want to do as much of a germaphobe as he actually is the things that he was doing. I don't believe that he would willingly sign up to do something like that. And so just AGTCommenter: Right. Yeah. Cody: the absolute hilarity and I know we're making fun of someone's phobia, but as a comedian I think he would also find it funny. So that's the thing that made me laugh the most in the history of AGT. AGTCommenter: I think that's fair. If you were gonna pick a true stand-up though, it's a few of the ones you narrowed it down to, yeah. Sure. Yeah, so I've always, I don't know the best way to put it. I rarely just start laughing out loud. Maybe I just, I like to crack jokes, but I feel like comedians are bad audience, and I'm not saying I'm a comedian. Cody: It's a few of the ones Preacher, Vicky, Tom Cotter. Yeah. Yep. AGTCommenter: But I love to crack jokes constantly, so feel like people who do that maybe don't just sit there. It's like a basketball, like a professional basketball player doesn't just sit there and be wowed by every play that gets made on a basketball court because they kind of know what's going on. My point is I really remember the ones that I did enjoy because it's very rare that I like a stand-up comic on this show. I think it's really hard. I think it's the hardest thing to pull off and do really well, and it'll play into the next question we're going to talk about. Cody: Right. AGTCommenter: Cotter, Neemiller, and Don McMillan. Those are the three that, those would be the three that I would actually go back and really wanna rewatch the sets that they did. Comedy on Demand from Tom Cotter. I don't know if it's the funniest, but I just appreciate that set so much. Neemiller's physical comedy. Cody: Mm-hmm. I remember how much you loved Don McMillan. Yeah. AGTCommenter: I rarely get a ton of laughs from physical comedy. When he's like waving his arms that aren't even arms, it's just killing me. He's talking about using the scissors around his neck, just great. And then Don McMillan's is just, it's so stupid that I love it. And the PowerPoint of it all and just the dumb stuff. The bit he does about the USB drive ⁓ and that, you know, the likelihood that you put it in the right way should be 50-50. Cody: Yes, yes. AGTCommenter: but it's a hundred percent that when you try to go put it in you're wrong every time and you gotta flip it back over is so true. I don't know how it's possible. Those would be the three. If I had to pick one, I think Neemiller made me really crack up and really kind of bust a gut more. I probably slapped my knee ⁓ a little bit more to him than anybody else. Aaron Belial was up there too, but he's probably maybe the R Lost Voice guy. He's probably a little bit lower, but Those three, for a show that I think is really hard to do that talent well, those guys were probably my favorites. ⁓ But any other favorite comedian conversations? Sticking on comedians, this is not one on your list, Cody. This one is from Deleted, so this one, for one reason or another, yeah, I don't know what's going on there, but. Cody: Yeah. ⁓ no, RIP. That'd be an amazing actually username. Like if their username was actually deleted, that'd be amazing. AGTCommenter: Yeah, this is the question pretty straightforward when will a comedian win AGT and I think the better question is do you think a comedian will ever win AGT? ⁓ We've had some that have gotten close Cody our friend Tom Cotter obviously goes runner-up. So does grandma Lee in season Six three was three I think it was three we should know this Cody: 3? No, 6. Maybe 6. Yeah. Yes. AGTCommenter: We should get this right, because I've gotten this wrong. A different thing about season four. ⁓ yeah. No. She was bottom five. She was the first ever finalist. Comedian, that was what we did. But Tom Cotter's been runner up. Neemiller, who we just talked about, was third place. Josh Blue's been third place. Taylor Williamson was runner up. We've had some that have been really close and haven't gotten over the hump. Cody: Yeah, okay. Boy what? Yeah. Yes. True lich. AGTCommenter: I don't think it's ever gonna happen. It's not getting easier for comedians. We laugh less and less, it seems like, as the years go on here. It's really hard to be... Like, what we just watched with Vicki Barbalak, that's not really playing anymore. It's hard to be edgy on the show. ⁓ I don't see it happen. I would love to see a really good stand-up comic. I would love to have seen... I mean, Cotter should have won in season seven. Cody: Right. AGTCommenter: from a, but again, he wasn't robbed, cause the voting's the voting. What do you think? Can it happen? I always hesitate to say nothing. Something can never happen, but it seems really hard. Cody: Right, yeah. think in the current format it's very hard. With the current format we have one less, we don't have judge cuts anymore, we have one less live show. No, we still have the extra live show now. ⁓ But I think in the current format we're not seeing the live show Golden Buzzer. ⁓ We're seeing them less and less and I think as a comic we need to see them as much as possible in order to appreciate their comedy, to get their jokes, because they don't get enough time as it is. AGTCommenter: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Cody: They have to find a way to establish themselves with the audience. And I think in the current format and the current environment, it's going to be extremely difficult for them to do. In season 15, where there was no audience, no comics in the live show, none, zero. And so I think we had, do we have one last year? Yeah. And so it's just, yeah. Yeah, it's getting worse. yeah. AGTCommenter: Right. It was impossible. Yeah. Right. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. It's getting worse. So here's my thing. Do you have anything else or, okay. Again, I hesitate to say never, so I'm not gonna totally give up, but I'm taking the no way before I would ever say it's gonna happen. There's two, I look at it go, I think if somebody wants to pull it off, you have to do it one of two ways. I think you have to do it like Tom Cotter did. You need 80 jokes in the three minutes. Cody: right? Mm-hmm. AGTCommenter: You just, you have to get as much material out there. One, it leaves almost no room to bomb because you're just flying through. The other thing that I think potentially could and I think would need to happen is I think we need, remember we talked about the magician? That, like the singing magician? I think it has to be a singing comedian or a comic that, like, I think you need to, it's a little bit like, I think about Chris Turner and Chris Turner is not a good example, but I'm just like, he was so unique. Cody: Yes. ⁓ Okay. AGTCommenter: doing like the on-demand rapping type stuff. Like I think it needs to be something like that where it's gotta be like a Bo Burnham style. I don't know how familiar I was Bo Burnham, but like a true honest to God, you write your own funny comedy songs where you're writing a song to make people laugh. I think that could win because it combines a couple different talents which I think people appreciate, but I think it's just really hard to grab the mic, go up there and do you know, honest to God, stand up and get yourself into contention anymore. I would love to see a singing comedian give it a try, but yeah, I'm not sure. Cody: Yeah. As we were talking about this, I believe that there was one in season 20. If you remember, there was the comedian that sat at the keyboard and sang, but then in the next round, he did an actual standup routine. So he completely flipped from that. Whereas I loved his audition because it, it combined the singing with the state, the telling the jokes, but then he completely abandoned, abandoned that. So we have seen it and it did work. I would like to see them just continuously continue to do it. AGTCommenter: Yes. Exactly. Correct. Yeah. And I wasn't sure based off his audition if his material was good enough, but either way, it's certainly he should have kept trying it. I'd love to see somebody go for it, right? ⁓ Like think of like Adam Sandler, the Hanukkah song, those types of stuff. Can someone channel that in some capacity? I'm not saying it's stuff like that, but parody joke songs. Cody: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yes, the Thanksgiving song. Yep. Yep. AGTCommenter: I you could kill with like a funny AGT song where you're making fun of the judges and stuff like that ⁓ in a playful way. yeah, think I'd like to see someone rethink how they're doing comedy on the show, but yeah, I think it is what it is. ⁓ Cody: Is that why Don McMillan worked so well? Because of his PowerPoints and the visuals and... yeah. AGTCommenter: Yeah, it was different. Yeah, it leaves less up to interpretation from the crowd, okay, anything else? Should we move on? I think this is another, Yep, this one's not one I sent you. This one is from backgroundsociety939. Howie is about to enter his 17th season. Does anybody agree that he should finally retire like Blake Shelton did on The Voice? So basically the question here Cody is when if should Howie hang it up? Your thoughts Hall of Famer Howie Mendo ever Cody: He should not. No, I think he's there. I think he's there. I want him there till the end. And that doesn't mean that like when he retires, they end the show, but I'm not going to say how you need to retire when he's ready. He'll do it. But I think he is the best thing on the judges panel. He is. He gives the best feedback. He knows. I think he knows the acts better than any of the other judges. AGTCommenter: Yep. Cody: When he's involved in an act on the stage, he's better at it than any of the others. ⁓ If you give me a category, I can guarantee you that I'm gonna find something that he's better at than any of the other judges. Yeah. AGTCommenter: Mm-hmm. Right. The consensus kind of in the thread is that now they... Here's my thing. I don't think the rest of the panel is good enough to lose him right now. If the panel got better, especially in the middle judges, ⁓ then I can maybe see it. I'm shocked that he kind of doesn't want to just... He's got to be bored. Like he's just seen... Like I've talked about in the past, it's just we've seen it all. Cody: Agreed, yes. AGTCommenter: He certainly has seen it all, stuff that hasn't even been televised. Yeah, I think that's right. Cody: He's 70? 71? I think he'll be 71 this year. AGTCommenter: ⁓ Yeah, he is, he'll turn 71 in November. So it looks, I he looks like he's in his 50s. I ⁓ guess that's what happens when you have the skincare routines and the, you know, wash your hands and everything so much. Yeah. ⁓ Cody: He looks great! And you don't, yeah, that's why you don't get germs and that stuff. AGTCommenter: He's reached a point where I would never wish him away. He's too iconic. He's in the Hall of Fame. It's his... Whenever he wants to, it's up to him. I would really be interested to see, could they find a really good replacement for him? It's so risky if you're the show to be like, we're gonna move on from Howie Wolfe to Who? Like, again, there's no heir apparent in waiting at the table. ⁓ There's some Neil Patrick Harris we've talked about would be a great full-time judge. Chris Hardwick even might be a good full-time We've had some guest judges we really liked. Cody: Would you bring in an old contestant? Yeah. AGTCommenter: I think one of the things we talked about is who would be the best contestant. John Dorenbos would kill at the table, I think. You'd want a funny guy. Cotter would be a great guess, would be a great judge. Some of those types of names, but ⁓ no, no, that would not be good. I would be interested in the position personally, ⁓ but yeah. No, at this point, he's Kobe Bryant, he's Steph Curry. Cody: Yes, yeah Yes, yep Yeah, not the guy that wanted to be a judge from season 13. Okay. AGTCommenter: You don't trade them at this point. It may hinder the franchise by the end of it, but you gotta keep them around. They're too iconic. ⁓ He seems to get annoyed with the show at times, but until he's ready to go, I think we should keep him around. right. Next, any other thoughts on that one? Alright, let's keep how we. Here's a hypothetical, not on your list Cody, the next one will be. What would happen if a judge just went rogue and just started pressing the golden buzzer constantly? Okay, not the Simon where he stole Howie's, but just like at auditions was like six times. Would they just fire him? This one comes from potassium chloride PO. ⁓ There's basically what happens if a judge on AGT, you know, takes it into their own, it just starts pressing the golden buzzer a bunch of times, would they be fired? That's the question. What's the amount of times that like Sophia or Howie or somebody could just continuously press the golden buzzer during auditions where they would get kicked out of the show? Okay. Cody: Yeah, so I'm do some quick math here. Okay, so there's four judges the so you have four judges There's four golden voters. You have the host there's five Do they they don't do that. They do the group that's six, right? Okay. Okay AGTCommenter: Sure, yeah. So nowadays, I don't think they did the group anymore. So I think we just have five Golden Bothers a year now. No, I think we're just at five a year now. Cody: Okay. No audience. Okay. Okay. So they have five times that they can load the cannons with with confetti. Okay. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about auditions. So if in, you know, in the not really the episode, but in the in that night, they have or I say for that season, they have five AGTCommenter: Right, plus live show Golden Buzzards, but that's not what we're talking about right now. Yep. Yep. Cody: Loads that they can load into the cannon. So after it's been hit five times Nothing happens like they just hit it hit it hit it hit it and nothing nothing happens and I say if there's no confetti if there's no ⁓ You know, the the screen doesn't change color it doesn't count Yeah AGTCommenter: Yeah. But here's my thought, is if not every judge has pressed a golden buzzer yet, they have to refill it every time. Cody: That's what I'm saying. So one person could hit it up to five times and then after that nothing happens. AGTCommenter: But here's my point is, if you're the production crew, you have to keep refilling it till every judge is pressed it. Because you'd only televised one of Howie's presses even if he just kept... So I think they would be handcuffed to keep refilling it and he could just keep pressing it. ⁓ It'd be a great prank to do it like... It would be a terrible prank to the act, but yeah. No, I like this idea. Just one of them... Cody: Yeah. Right. Yes! Yeah. AGTCommenter: you know, take some type of controlled substances whacked out of their mind and just start spreading the gold buzzer one after the other. Cody: You Didn't we have one instance where an act accidentally pressed it? Yes. Yes. AGTCommenter: We've had that happen, ⁓ accidentally-ish. Yeah, we've seen that before. alright. ⁓ I like that one. It's really stupid, but I kinda like it. Alright, Cody. We are a couple weeks away from season 21. I saw a post, I think it might have been a tweet, that basically talked about how since season 11, since season like 14, basically every couple years they make some type of change to the format of the show. Cody: Yeah. Okay. AGTCommenter: So this question, I didn't pull the actual link, but basically what's our prediction for how season 21's format's gonna be? So 15 we had the pandemic doesn't count. 16 was kosher to, basically the change they made after season 14 is they got rid of second round of auditions, judge cuts, whatever you wanna call it. 16 and 17 still had, no, just 16 had quarterfinals, semifinals like we'd had. 17 and 18? Cody: Mm-hmm. AGTCommenter: They got rid of quarterfinals, semifinals, they went to the five qualifiers, and then 19 and 20 they went back to having these. But then they also added in the live show Golden Buzzer. Basically the question here is, do you think they'll add, subtract, change anything, or do you think we'll get kind of a rinse and repeat on the current format from the last couple years? Cody: I think unfortunately we're going to get a rinse and repeat from season 20. AGTCommenter: So when you say, unfortunately, what things do you not like about what they're doing right now? Cody: I I'd like for them to bring back that. So we still have 3 live shows, right? So let's recap with everyone what the format was in season 20. AGTCommenter: Yep, I wanna make sure I got it right. So obviously we do, ⁓ oops, obviously we do auditions. ⁓ Too many audition episodes, for sure. So last year's setup, oops, was, ⁓ yeah, so auditions, they deliberate and pick who goes through. Four quarter finals, one semi-final, which is not how semi-finals works, but one semi-final and then the finals. Cody: I think we do way too many auditions. Yeah. AGTCommenter: ⁓ is the format. So there's still six total live show performances, episodes. Cody: Okay. ⁓ yeah, think unfortunately, and I say unfortunately because I think that's the way the format is going to be. do too many auditions. There needs to be two semi-final episodes. And I think that, and it will never happen again, but I think they should bring back Judge Cut. So think having the one semi-final is unfortunate and having too many auditions is unfortunate. AGTCommenter: Yeah. Yeah. I think it'll be very copy paste like you said. ⁓ I think the live show Golden Buzzer will stick around. I think they'll keep doing it that way. I'm sure there'll be something that's a little bit new or different. Again, they've kind of been adding and subtracting stuff every couple of years at this point. I just don't really know what it is because I don't think they're going to change how they're doing Golden Buzzer's. I don't think they're going to add a second round of auditions. ⁓ Cody: Yes. Yep. You don't think that you don't think that the thing that the live show golden buzzer has actually not been beneficial is it has clicked with them at all. Okay. AGTCommenter: No, they love Golden Buzzer so much. know what people, they know people love them. Yeah, people, it's a way for them to get seen. So they're not gonna get rid of that. But yeah, yeah, I think we'll end up with a pretty similar. I'd be interested to see if there is something new though. ⁓ But yeah, I'd like to have two semis. I'd like to get rid of a few auditions at a second audition round, but that's wish. Yeah. Cody: Get some views and clicks. Get some views and clicks. Yeah. The panel staying the same, Terry staying the same. Yeah. AGTCommenter: Yeah, I think we're gonna get a pretty similar format. I'll say this, sorry, go ahead. Cody: Do we get, I was gonna say, do we get a drone show or anything of that nature? Yes. AGTCommenter: platinum gold buzzer platinum buzzer ⁓ i'll say this they've had worse formats than what they're doing right now the five qualifier st five semi finals to go through was a disaster so we're closer to what they were doing in the heyday of the show but we're missing that second round of auditions and the live shows are a little bit off but i'll take what they're doing live shows right now over what they've done some other seasons ⁓ i like that there's two rounds of Cody: Sir. Yes. Hmm? Okay. AGTCommenter: live shows before the finals in some capacity. The live show of Golden Buzzer is a disaster, it is what it is. All right, should we move on? This is one other one on your list, Let me pull up the link. Oops. ⁓ TransitionFrequent92, is this name, ⁓ asks, which Sofia era season was the best? Was the best season? ⁓ She has been on 15 through 20, so six seasons. ⁓ I have a little bit better ability to actually, I've done some of the math and stuff of it, so I'll go to you first. Cody: Okay. Okay. Mm-hmm. You've got the numbers, yes. Yeah. AGTCommenter: when you think about it, maybe it's just the favorite ones in that stretch. What's one or two maybe of those six that you like the best? Cody: Sure. So I don't think 15 I'm just gonna go through each one. I don't think 15 is very good I think and that was it that wasn't because of her. I think she did a lot of stuff going on I think she did what she could the whole helping was it hurt that season that she was helping Simon talk or maybe was the next season she was having to like translate for Yeah, okay AGTCommenter: No. There was a lot of stuff. Yeah. Sure, I will interrupt just for a second. I think the question more is just during that time, which seasons were the best? Less about Sophia's performance and more just in this section of the history of AGT. I don't mind your thought though. I'll let you go on this idea of her performance. I kind of like this. So you take it away. I apologize for the interruption. Sure, fair enough. Cody: Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, cause I think, I think her performance has a lot to do with it. Sure. Yeah. So, uh, so 15 again, that's the COVID season, nothing she could do about that. So, and it was her first season. So it was really kind of hard to figure out what kind of judge she was going to be. It's, it's, think it was, it was at 16 that she was helping him translate. Like he lost his voice. So she was helping him translate, which I thought she did a pretty good job, but 16. AGTCommenter: Yeah, it's a wash. Yeah. Yeah, I can't remember. Cody: was pretty good. I'm gonna have to pull up, like, what are some highlights from 16 that we can talk about? Let's talk about some highlights from each season. We did, yes. Okay, yeah. AGTCommenter: ⁓ well, Tevella won. Aiden Bryant was great. We loved Aiden Bryant. ⁓ we had Nightbird, which was an incredible, you know, moment, but then, but then she had to, she had to withdraw the late Nightbird. ⁓ it's not a great season. I won. Cody: Yeah, 17 we had. Yeah, 17 we had Kristi Sellers. Yeah, so yeah, was this with Neemil Maya's one. So yeah, that was a great season. My girl's the Avant Garde. Yeah. AGTCommenter: 17 had some fun stuff. Demiah's one. Yep. Lily Mayola, obviously. Yeah, but the format that season was so awful that it really ruined, well, 1718. Yep. Cody: It was yeah, so 1617 not a great format, right? I'm sorry. You're right 1718. So 18 we had what we have in 18. Yeah, yeah. AGTCommenter: Adrian Hurricane won, Anna de Guzman was runner up. I really liked the back end of the finals talent we had, like Putri Ariani, who was on your team, think. Let me just pull up quickly the finalists from that season. ⁓ Cody: But that's the same form 1617 sorry 1718 were the same format, which I did not like. Yes. Okay. AGTCommenter: We had Ramadhani Brothers in that season. That was Avant Gardi's season. We had Aaron Belial. We had Putri Ariani. I liked the Amazonsi Youth Choir in that season. I did like that season. The format was not great, but... Cody: Yes, yep. yeah, so Axe actually kind of helped pull that season, but the you're right the format and it was a different format would we have gotten the same result so 18. I say sorry 19. AGTCommenter: Yeah. sure. That was 18. Yeah. Yeah. Richard Goodall won. I did not like season nine. I thought it was a bad season. Ashes and Arrows. Yeah. Cody: Okay, not a good season. Yeah, no and I thought season 20 That's right. yeah, I mean that what happened to them. They kind of just fell off Season 20 when I thought was a fine season. So I'm gonna go, know, even though season 18 format was not great or season 17 format actually 17 and 18 the format was not great I thought the action they were really strong And then 20 so if I were to rank them, I'd probably go AGTCommenter: Yeah. Cody: 17 18 20 16 19 15 okay AGTCommenter: Sure. Yeah, so I think 18 and 20 were both really good, really nice seasons. I have them both in my top 10 of season rankings. I'd say 18 had the most talent of the Sofia era, but the format was bad. Last year I thought the format was better, but the talent maybe wasn't quite as good. So I'd go 18, 20, 16, 17. Cody: Yeah, yeah. Yes. AGTCommenter: 15, 19. Now, I really didn't like Richard Goodall. If you liked Richard Goodall, you liked the season, you had a good time. Cody: Okay. And yes, sure. And if you threw him out, if it wasn't all because of him, then where would it fall? saying to throw not not I'm not saying throw out his scores I'm just saying if you yeah AGTCommenter: probably still, yeah, no, I'm with you. Yeah, I mean, the highest rated act of the whole season I had was 25th on my leaderboard and then number two was 59th. So I just didn't think it was very good season, but okay. All right. Cody: Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. AGTCommenter: I'm gonna skip this one, I wanna go to another one that you uh... that you prepared for. Um... Alright. Mean Scientist 5093 asks, What's your least favorite talent category? Um, they said that theirs is the trapeze rope dancing, which I don't really know what that is. I think it's just trapeze. I don't- I guess I don't view them as dancers. But either way, it's the most boring thing to watch in my opinion, but the judges always seem to love it. Cody: Okay? AGTCommenter: ⁓ And I'll add this in here before and I'll go first this time Cody: ⁓ Before you start though, want to ask real quick mean scientist. Does that mean that like he's an angry scientist or is it like the average? scientist Okay AGTCommenter: Yeah. Ooh, good question. Write us in, mean scientists, if you're listening. A very common one that popped up in the comments here is record breakers. Now, I do not like record breakers. I'm not sure that that's its own category necessarily because I think there's different record breakers can fit into different talents, but if you want to, then yes, I'll take record breakers. It's the dumbest thing to have on this show. Cody: ⁓ Okay. Sure. But she loved the adjudicator! AGTCommenter: But you can only break records like once like what do we like I have I? Just I then you're just doing the same thing for all the performances. Yes, I love the adjudicator So I'm torn on that but it is a dumb town Mine has always been has long been danger acts. I just don't love the danger acts now. There's a few Aaron Crowe I loved Aaron Crowe, but I just always have such a hard time because especially in the non live performances Cody: You can come back and break a record again. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. AGTCommenter: If anything terrible happened, they just wouldn't show it. So we already know that the pre-taped ones are gonna result in something good happening basically. that would be my least favorite ⁓ one or a couple of yours. Cody: I'm say like on this pod we are pro world record breakers. Jay and I are pro world record breakers. I'm gonna say that. You know, I thought about this and I kinda was thinking like is there a least favorite category? if there is, a very, it's like, it's not like you were saying I just can't stand this. AGTCommenter: Yes, that's not the... yeah. Cody: So all of my least favorites or maybe even the favorites, a very narrow thing. I like a lot of it. I like it all. I'm very sure, That's why I love this show, because of its variety. But the one thing that I just kind of tune out more, and I talked about this in season 13 when we got to it sometimes, a couple of things that I have found myself tuning out the most on, solo singers, particularly as they move on, I may pay attention to them quite a bit early on to see how they sound. AGTCommenter: Yeah, I think there's a place for all of it, certainly. Yeah. YUM expect yeah especially karaoke ish solo singers I would agree Cody: Correct, you know if there's a yeah, and then and you're not gonna like this close-up magic close-up card magic Yeah, yeah AGTCommenter: Yeah, I think only one guy's really pulled it off. So I have to kind of agree with you. I think these acts just it's really hard to pull off. He clearly did it and no one else really has. Yeah. Cody: Yes, and it's particularly that style what he know, what he does that style of close-up card magic obviously the some of these card magicians that go down to the the judges table and they interact with the judges and they're they're they're throwing jokes around and they're they're talking to him I get engaged with all of that. It's the standing on the stage by yourself nothing going on no interaction AGTCommenter: Mm-hmm. Cody: You may have a personal up there, you may not, but that kind of stuff I just, I tune out on. can't, I can't focus on it very well. So, yeah. AGTCommenter: Sure. Yeah, I will say four out of five of his performances he had people on stage with him watching. But there's been others, like ⁓ I think there's a real flaw with that. I would add in solo dancers, no props. That would be the other one that I, if I could fast forward through the live taping of it, if I didn't watch it live, I would skip those. ⁓ Cody: Sure, yeah. Yeah. Sure, yes. Yeah. Almost anything during auditions though, I'm dialed in. AGTCommenter: Yes, because you just never know. But once you know what you're getting from the act, yeah. Cody: Right. Yes. Yeah, yeah, the maybe the other thing to add to the list is those the twists like you think they're gonna do one thing in the audition and then they flip and do something else and then now that veil is gone. Yeah, that's true. The uh, you know, um, uh junior new system Yeah, so AGTCommenter: Sure. Correct. It's fun once. It's a paper plate act. Yeah. For sure, yeah. Last thing I'll add on this, rappers for me. ⁓ Chris Turner I loved. And it's not a rapping thing, there are... One of the hallmarks of rap is vulgarity, subject matter that is not for the family. It's a little bit similar to some stand-up where a lot of the great stand-up comics are these, you know, they... Cody: Yeah. Okay. Okay. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. AGTCommenter: They're dropping words that you can't say on NBC. So to me, rappers, it's not that they maybe aren't even that they're not good. It's just like, we all know kind of what the point of the rap genre is, and it's really to stick it to the man type stuff. Like, that's the cultural thing that is rap. And so you come on here and you have to like rap about, you know, shopping at the grocery store. And it's like, this just isn't gonna work. ⁓ Cody: Mm-hmm. Sure. Ha! AGTCommenter: Now the Chris Turner version of it where he's doing something a little bit different makes some sense, but yeah, okay. We've got another Labooboo King submission here. Shout out Labooboo King. ⁓ This one is gonna be quick. It's basically just a quick homage to the Dolby Theater. ⁓ Labooboo King says the Dolby Theater seasons had amazing production value and even the COVID universal one. ⁓ I'm less on that one, but basically let's just each take about 15, 20, 30 seconds just to wax poetic a little bit about the Dolby Theater. We love the Dolby Theater, Cody. Cody: ⁓ okay. We do love the Dolby Theater. just don't want sacred Rihanna there to cause any technical difficulties. We love the screens. We love the layout of the theater. ⁓ The sound may not be great. You kind of notice that in our choirs. ⁓ AGTCommenter: Yeah. Yes, there was some audio. Some people complained about acoustics, but other than that, yeah. Cody: Yes, yeah. We love the layout of the stage. The stage is the right size. The judges in the right place. Yeah, we do love the Dolby Theater. AGTCommenter: Yes. To me it's always felt like a big game venue. I've likened it to that's, you know, whatever, an NFL. That's a Rose Bowl, it's the Rose Bowl. It always feels like when we do these live shows now in the Pasadena Arts, whatever, Pasadena Center. ⁓ Cody: Rose Bowl. AGTCommenter: It's like playing the Super Bowl at a high school stadium. it's like, the game can still be entertaining, but man, this does not feel like the right place to be playing this game. That's kind of how it's always felt to me. So I love the Dolby. ⁓ My favorite point, my favorite stretches and seasons of this show took place at the Dolby Theater. So. Cody: Okay, wow. Yes. Mm-hmm. AGTCommenter: Darcy Lynn put on the double puppet at the Dolby Theater. Shin Lim's semi-finals performance, which is arguably the greatest performance I've ever seen, was in the Dolby Theater. Like, come here little pumpkin hugging. That was in the Dolby Theater, Cody. Like, my fondest memories of this show, almost all of them took place in that theater. And so, I miss it. But, all right. Cody: So our three biggest places have been Dolby, the Pasadena, and ⁓ Radio City? Is that right? Where else have we? AGTCommenter: Yes, as far as I know. We haven't seemed to figure out where maybe some of very early seasons were. ⁓ But yeah, those are kind of the three that we know and that's an easy ranking for me. Dolby One. And then I think it has to be Radio City. ⁓ As much as I thought there was some flaws with it with the way the stage was and everything, again, it least still felt like a big game venue. ⁓ Cody: I was gonna say it we know it's Dolby one and then where the other two. Okay. And wasn't the first season of Howard like in New Jersey or something? AGTCommenter: As far as I know, all four of those seasons were at the Radio City. Cody: It was not at r- Okay, I seem like the first one was not, but maybe I'm wrong. Okay. Okay. AGTCommenter: Yeah, maybe not, but okay. I want to get to this one. I don't know how many more we're going to do, maybe a handful more. ⁓ Deleted again, asks... Cody: Okay, boy, they're posting a lot AGTCommenter: Deleted brought up that this season, this season 20 was one of the best top threes ever. I'd not necessarily want to talk about that specifically, I more want to just talk about the greatest top threes of all time. What are the best top threes? So Cody, did you do any lag work on this to try and, did you come up with anything? I didn't have high, and don't feel bad, like this was, this did not take me a short amount of time to come up with my list. Cody: Okay. Okay. Yeah, no. This was actually I I had a pretty easy answer and it's a very very extremely like is such a fire-hot take That you're gonna be completely you're gonna probably fall out of your seat when I say this. Yeah, I think the best top three was season one Yeah, Bianca Ryan all that and the Millers and the reason is We do not know who finished second or third Yes, yes AGTCommenter: Yeah. Go for it. Okay, because Yeah in the middle. Yeah Because there's two runners up Yeah, you just like the chaos of that top three ⁓ I think that's Yeah, this is a this is question tailored for me I'm happy just to kind of drive the boat on this one. I I have season one 16th out of 20 for top three. just a heads up. I went Cody: That's the greatest top three in the history of ATT. AGTCommenter: And I treated it very much like I have my season rankings, which are mostly just based off top five. So basically, it's got rid of fourth and fifth place and was able to get the math and base it off of that. They do not exactly resemble my true season rankings. Season 12, I believe, is the best top three we've ever had. ⁓ Cody: could see that. Yep. AGTCommenter: So, and this is interesting because on the full season rankings, I have season 12 second. they do have some, Darcy Lynn was one, Angelica Hale two, and Light Balance three. I think that's the best top three we've had. mathematically based off of what I believe, season 13 is two. That would have been like we just talked about Shin Lim, Zerker O, Brian King, Joseph. I have season 11 as the. Cody: Math- Math- Mathematically. Yeah. AGTCommenter: third best top three. It's the only metric I've ever found doing my metrics where season 11 wasn't one. It's the only one. Cody: So either 2 and 3 brought it down or 4 and 5 brought it back up. AGTCommenter: Good point, I think three brought it down. So Dorenbos I do not have incredibly high. So I have him the sixth best third place. The rest of them are all top three in their category, the other four. So losing the best fourth place finisher and the third best fifth place finisher definitely hurt. ⁓ That was Vanderwall, Clairvoyance, and Dorenbos. So those are my top three. From there... Cody: Yeah. Yeah. AGTCommenter: Really there was only a couple major ⁓ surprises ⁓ in the difference between ⁓ everything else, or the aggregate. So season 10 I have as the sixth best season. I have it as the 15th best top three. ⁓ Sorry. Yeah. Paul Zerdin, Drew Lynch, Perlman, Drew Lynch really brought her down. Cody: Yeah AGTCommenter: ⁓ But yeah, so I had some fun with this. Season four is the worst top three we've ever had. Worst season, worst top three, or worse across the board. Kevin Skinner, Barbara Padilla, Recycled Percussion. ⁓ Cody: Yeah. Yeah, as I was looking through this, because I kind of did what you did, I looked at all the top, I just went season by season, looked at all the top threes and I realized every single one, there was always either like a second or third place finisher that just was not great. That always correct. Yeah. But there was always one, it's like, yep, Lynch is terrible. This person's terrible. This person, Detroit Youth Choir is terrible. Whatever, whatever. It's like, there was nothing that was like, ⁓ yeah, these three, all three of them are great. AGTCommenter: outside of maybe the top handful. Yeah. Right. Yeah, I would say like as I look through it, I think there's five or six that I was like, this is all three of these I really liked and the rest I would agree. Like Darcy Lynn and Joke Hill Light Bounce, three great acts. Same with what we just watched, Eleven I think is the same. I think season nine, Franco, Emily West, Akron Army are all three really good acts. But yeah, mean, lot of dogs are clearly a weak link in seven. I would say last year, I... Cody: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Right. Yep. AGTCommenter: Jessica Sanchez, Chris Turner, Jordan Blue. I wouldn't say there's like a weak link. just didn't. I liked Chris Turner the best. The other two I thought were okay. But yeah, no, mean there's there's always an anna. There's an Anna de Guzman in season. You know, there's a I wasn't a huge fan of Tevella or Josh Blue in 16. Yeah, I mean you go through the list and Cody: Mm-hmm. Hmm? AGTCommenter: So I think the top ones are clearly the top ones, but I had a little bit of fun of looking at the top threes. Any other thoughts you wanna? Cody: No, when I saw that question I was like, ooh, that's a great question. AGTCommenter: yet to see what uh... how many more do you want to do cody Cody: Let's do two more, I think will be, yeah. Okay. AGTCommenter: Okay, let's do two more and then we'll see where we're at. Where do I want to go with this? Where do I want to go with this? That was where I was aiming towards. So I'll pull up the thread. ⁓ IndigoWolf4711 asks, how would you rank every judging panel? And then ⁓ this person was kind enough. Cody: Can we do the ⁓ judges panel rankings? Okay. Okay. AGTCommenter: ⁓ to put all of them in there. Didn't rank them though. Kind of a cop out. ⁓ Sure. Entertainment OK 1882 actually put theirs in nine, worst to best. So there's nine ⁓ iterations of Judges. So, seasons one, had ⁓ Hoff, Brandy, and Piers. ⁓ Seasons two through four we had Hoff, Piers, and Sharon. Cody: No, I think that's fair, they didn't want to tip their hand, they wanted to see what other people thought, so. AGTCommenter: Then we had Howie, Sharon, and Piers. And then we had Howie, Sharon, and Howard. Howie Melby, Heidi Howard. Simon, Heidi Melby, Howie. Simon, Julian, Gabrielle, Howie. Simon, Sophia, Heidi, Howie. And then Simon, Sophia, Mel, Howie. So Howie's in a lot of those. Did you come up with the definitive one through nine ranking? Okay. I did, so you can go first here. Got it, that's fine. Cody: You Yes. didn't rank them per se. I picked a top two, I'll say. I think there's a top two and then I think there's a clear last place. So my top one that I had in this listing was Howard, Melby, Heidi, and Howie. I think that is number two. Okay, make sure you didn't say that as well. Okay, okay. AGTCommenter: Okay. Yeah. Agree. I had that too. Yes. ⁓ I had that as my second best judges panel. Yes. Cody: So I had that as I think the best. The one I had second best was Simon, Mel B, Heidi and Howie. Okay, so we were there. We just had them flip-flopped. Yes, yes. And then I think obviously the last place win is Simon, Gabrielle, Julianne and Howie. Yeah. I didn't really rank anywhere in between. I'd have to go back and kind of redo it. I don't know if I could do it on the fly right now. Yeah. Yeah. AGTCommenter: I had that as my best. I think those are the clear two best, in my opinion, yes. I had that knife as well. No, you're good. The reason I picked Simon, the Simon versus Howard, because that's really where you're going, one, two, the other three are the same. If you want to tell me Howard was a better AGT judge than Simon, I'm not going to disagree or say you're wrong. To me, it's Simon Cowell. It's the Simon Cowell. He made the show. He's the reality show judge. Cody: Yes, right. Sure. AGTCommenter: So it's why I leaned there, but I have no problem with your ranking either. I think it's more of a 1A, 1B than a 1-2 probably anyways. Cody: And I think early Simon is better than later Simon. Yeah. AGTCommenter: Exactly. Which that panel was seasons 11, 12, and 13, which would be his early seasons. from there, we both agreed on nine. So my three through eight. My third was Howard, Sharon, Howie. Great panel. My fourth was the same, but peers Sharon, Howie. So, okay. Fifth I had as peers Sharon and Hoff. Cody: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that. Yep. Yes, okay. Okay, yep. AGTCommenter: ⁓ Sixth, I had the one from last year, Simon, Mel, Sophia, and Howie. Seventh, I had the one before that, Simon, Heidi, Sophia, and Howie. And then my eighth would be, unfortunately, season one. I think it was a lot of things played into that, but Brandy, wouldn't say got me super excited for the show or anything. So that was my nine. I do want to look ⁓ at Entertainment OK 1882. Cody: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. AGTCommenter: had Howie, Sharon, and Piers as their number one. Cody: Interesting, okay. AGTCommenter: ⁓ had Howie, Sharon, and Howard as their number two. So this person's clearly a big three panel and Sharon fan. Cody: Yes. Yeah. And I'm, I'm a big odd number panelist person as well. AGTCommenter: I think there's a lot of value to it. ⁓ Three had Howie Melby, Heidi Howard. So you're number one and my number two. This person is clearly not a Simon fan. ⁓ Had Simon, Heidi Melby, Howie fifth, which was my number one. ⁓ It's interesting. Everybody on here refers to Hoff as David. Would never in my life be like, it's the Hoff. Like if I'm listing it, I'm putting Hoff. I'm not putting David or Dave. Cody: Okay. Hmm. Yes Did they do that on his ex AGTCommenter: Wait. Yeah, I'm not sure. think, yeah, I think they did. I think they did. I think a lot of people on here really like the seasons with Howard. I think everybody on here really loves Howard. but yeah, no, that's fun. I would say this, they've done a very good job of having a good panel outside of really, in my opinion, season 14 and then season one is just such a hard one. The other seven, there's things to really like about all of them. Cody: I'd have to go back and look at a video and see. Okay. Okay. Yes. Mm-hmm. AGTCommenter: And they always had a really solid lead judge, which was good. OK. Let's do maybe one or two more here. Any other ones you want to push us in the direction of on your list? Cody: ⁓ I thought I was looking at... ⁓ Yeah, let's finish it off with how long do we think the show's gonna go. Okay, ⁓ yeah, let's... Okay. Okay. AGTCommenter: Let's do one in between there that I want to talk about. Let me decide. Yeah, let's do that one. We've talked a lot about season seven, Cody. Olathe Dogs won the show. Deleted says, very succinctly, William, yes, very active on Reddit. Very succinctly, no context, no question mark, states William Close should have won season seven. No responses from the audience, nothing. Just a hot take. Cody, your thoughts. Cody: We're getting a lot from deleted today. Just making a heart take. Just making a heart take. ⁓ If William Close had won the show I don't think I would have been upset if I don't think I've voted well did I even vote back then was the question ⁓ If I did vote or if I had voted I don't believe I would have voted for him I think I would have voted for Tom Cotter and if I you had if you wanted me to actually pick a winner I'm picking Tom Cotter to win And I think even in my rankings I have Cotter winning William Close second ⁓ But I wouldn't be mad. I wouldn't have been mad if William Closen won. I think it's a fantastic act. It's very it's unique. It's a it's a one. It's a one-of-one ⁓ And I think the types of stuff that he does is stuff that I like Yeah AGTCommenter: Yeah. I agree. Yep. I I actually agree with this post. I have William Close the highest rated of the season. have him 11th on my all time leaderboard. have Tom Cotter 18th. Boy would I have zero gripes if Tom Cotter won the show. We love Tom Cotter for all, we loved him before he came on our show. We've loved him even more now that we've gotten to know him a little bit. Cody: Okay. Okay. AGTCommenter: I think it's a horse of peace between the two of them. My mathematical evaluation says William Close. I think there's a very good chance that I would have voted for Tom Cotter on the app if it was today over William Close. ⁓ I think everybody, I think one of the great common grounds that this world has is that the Olathe Dog shouldn't have won season seven. It unites us all. ⁓ But again, no one was robbed. Cody: Mm-hmm. That is correct, yes. The voters voted. AGTCommenter: The voters voted. All right. Any other thoughts on season seven's results? Let's wrap here with, we've done this before, but I think the last time we really talked about it in depth was like back in 2021 or 2020 or something. Cody: Sure, it's been a years, it's time to update it. AGTCommenter: HugeDependent1391 is back with another post here. Says, how long can these shows last? I think basically how long can AGT last? I guess they're easy and cheap to make. How long can these shows like Idle AGT The Voice last for? I know The Voice is already on like season 20, but I guess as long as enough people are watching them, they will keep going. And then I'll add in a comment or a reply from TomHanks21. Do we think it's the real Tom Hanks? ⁓ TomHanks21 says, Cody: ⁓ wow. Could be. AGTCommenter: is projecting at least season 30. I hate it because they both highlight the audition process and the rest of it feels bad. I'd say it just points to the buzz it can get with the celebrity faces. If for some reason AGT lost Simon, I'd believe that that'd be the beginning of the end, which I think is kind of a good point. Cody, sure. Cody, your thoughts on how long this show will last. Cody: Okay. think if they lost Howie as well, that'd also be the... yeah. Yeah, I don't have an exact number, but what I did do is I put in over under 25 and a half seasons. ⁓ I would be I wouldn't be surprised if they ended at season 25 But then also I would not be surprised if they went to 30 I think as we mentioned a minute ago I think a lot of it is gonna depend on how long how he stays and how long Simon stays I think ⁓ American Idol AGT Dancing with the Stars the voice X X Factor Is it still around? Yeah. Yeah mass singer all those types of things ⁓ AGTCommenter: Mm-hmm. Yeah, in the UK I think maybe. Maybe not. I might be dead, yeah. Cody: BGT is still a thing Canada's got talent. I haven't seen okay. It might still be going but Christy Sellers just did Got Talent which I think is in Spain So the Got Talent franchise is going strong AGTCommenter: I think so. Yeah. think I would take the over. So here's where I'm at. One, I'm, I just have no, I'm not gonna get into prediction of business of trying to figure out when this show's gonna flame out. Because if you would asked me five years ago, I would have thought it'd be by now. for a lot of years here in last, you up until last few years, I've assumed that the deathbed that live television is on right now would be a pointed reason as to why this show would go away. And what I've come to realize is that's why it'll never go away. It's running unopposed basically. It has to compete with nothing. It's sports. Cody: Okay? It's summer ⁓ show. AGTCommenter: It's sports and reality TV are the only live things that people seem to sit down and actually watch in any real capacity. Everything else is streamed, it's released in bulk, it's binged. This, all of the shows you mentioned, The Bachelor, this, ⁓ all of the talent shows, Voice, everything, are the only thing that is like, there's no script. You don't have to pay a bunch of people to make the show, you just, it's a rinse and repeat, it's very easy. The show runs itself from a content standpoint because it's just whoever shows up and performs. You don't have to plan anything. If we were sitting here for season 40 someday, I wouldn't be surprised. I really wouldn't. Now, there's a chance that that is just TV doesn't exist in 19 years and everything is just, who knows? But until we get rid of TV completely, I don't know why an NBC or any of these networks would get rid of Cody: You AGTCommenter: these low-cost shows. You're pumping your money into making the streaming shows, especially NBC not so much, but a lot of these places, even movie studios are starting to put money into the Netflix movies and things like that. To me, don't know why if you're the brass at NBC or any of these network channels, why you would bother getting rid of something that is remarkably easy to make, completely low budget, and gets clicks online. It is a fun summer show to fill. You've got to put something on. Something's going to get played. So either you're doing reruns of stuff or you're making this kind of stuff without having to hire writers and stuff. ⁓ I'm not gonna put a, it's gonna end at this point, I think it's over your over under. I agree with Tom Hanks when he said Howie or Simon, I think leaving the show would be a good marker. But the show runner for the first 19 seasons left and it didn't seem to change nothing. I wouldn't say I noticed one thing in season 20 that Cody: Okay. AGTCommenter: I was like, ⁓ man, we're missing Raph right now. And that's not to diminish him because he clearly is good. mean, 19 seasons of making this show and he did a great job. But it kind of makes itself. Cody: Yeah Yeah, and if you'd asked me two or three years ago who was the showrunner for AGT, I probably couldn't have even named him. AGTCommenter: Exactly. ⁓ I think we have some job security as a podcast right now, Cody. I think we're going to be around, and we've talked about, we probably got seven to eight years of content after the show ends because we got to rewatch all 20 seasons anyways. So we're in a great spot. all right, anything else? This was fun, Cody. I like this. This is something I think we can do more. There's no shortage of Reddit posts out there. So, ⁓ I wanted one last thing. Cody: Okay. This was fun, yes. AGTCommenter: I found this post that I want to just quickly touch on. There's no real conversation around it. This comes from reasonableguava1449. Cody: reasonable graphites compared to unreasonable. Okay? AGTCommenter: Guava, yes, yes. Question, what's everyone's opinion on AGT Time podcast? ⁓ Jay was quick to hop in. Not a lot of responses. Jay said, AGT Time co-host here, any questions? The original poster, reasonable guavas, said, what got you into AGT and who were your favorite acts this season? Jay didn't reply. ⁓ Cody: Okay. Aw, come on Jay! You asked for questions and then didn't reply. Come on. AGTCommenter: Teaching Acceptable 83 said, love them. They have really good insight and guests. Shout out our guests. And the original poster said, yeah, I know, I love them. So look at that. There's some positivity about us on Reddit, which is one of the most impossible things to get, so shout out us. Hopefully they continue. That was like two years ago that that got posted, so hopefully they're still listening. We appreciate all of our listeners. This was fun. If you're... Cody: Yes. Okay. AGTCommenter: following along send us some feedback send us some questions like these and we'll Cody we'll read anything that gets sent to us so if you want us to talk through some hypotheticals on a mailbag type episode like this that we can add in outside of maybe some reddit posts we would love to be able to do that but this was fun Cody I appreciate you playing along closing thoughts from you here Cody: We will. Yes. We'll even read mail from parents that are mad that we didn't like their kid dancers. It's like... AGTCommenter: Exactly. If you send us something, it'll make it on the pod. It's one of the great, it's a cheat code. You'll get your name out there. ⁓ Cody: Yeah, no great great job digging these up had a lot of fun doing it AGTCommenter: Yeah. All right. Let's wrap up here. We've got one episode left for the offseason, Cody. We've done it. Penultimate offseason pod, yes. Next week, Cody's going to clean up his leaderboard a little bit. We're going to talk about potentially trying to make some decisions on when some acts should make their way out of the Hall of Fame ballot together. And then Cody and I are also going to record our ballot reveal episode for October. Cody: So this is our penultimate. This one is our penultimate. Okay. Okay. AGTCommenter: ⁓ Next week, so you guys will hear that about five months later. But ⁓ appreciate everybody that's come along for the ride on this off-season. One more. It's been fun. We've recorded a lot of podcasts this off-season. Cody, we watched two full seasons of AGT this off-season. So it's been fun. Anything else? Otherwise, you can close it up and wrap it up. Cody: Yes. You can find us on our socials at AGT TimePod. You can email us at AGTTimePod at gmail.com. You can find Commenter out there at AGT Commenter and go check out our website AGTTimePod.com. Thank you everyone. Have a great night.