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Heading Into 2026: Are We Entering the Final Setup? | Lee Brainard | The Week in Bible Prophecy · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy a Prophecy Watchers Podcast.
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Speaker 2: Hello, everyone, Welcome to the podcast today. I'm here with
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Speaker 2: Lee Brainer and we are going to be discussing what
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Speaker 2: is going to be happening in twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: Lee welcome, Yeah, Mondo glad to be a bored and
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Speaker 1: I think twenty twenty six is gonna be boring. Nothing's
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Speaker 1: gonna happen bad nothing.
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Speaker 2: I really think we're entering the Golden Age, isn't that
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Speaker 2: what Trump says?
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Speaker 3: And it's all gonna be good.
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Speaker 2: The world's gonna be one to Jesus, and then we're
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Speaker 2: gonna have seven years of plenty and then and then
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Speaker 2: what well, you know, it's interesting because we have just
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Speaker 2: a second. Welcome everybody to the podcast, and we're gonna
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Speaker 2: kind of just give a what do we think? What
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Speaker 2: do we think about twenty twenty five and what's happening
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Speaker 2: in the future here, and we have we do have
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Speaker 2: some of our sweatshirts on because it actually is kind
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Speaker 2: of cold now, it's cold as.
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Speaker 3: It has been.
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Speaker 2: But anyways, so lely just kind of as we think
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Speaker 2: about this, kind of give me your views first.
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Speaker 3: On twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2: What were some of the significant things that stuck out
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Speaker 2: to you as we think about even going back, maybe
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Speaker 2: we were sitting here in twenty twenty four looking to
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Anything shocking prophetically or anything else.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if there's anything that shocked me significantly,
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Speaker 1: but there were some things that were eyebrow raising moments
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Speaker 1: for me. One of them is I had expected Russia
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Speaker 1: to have wrapped up Ukraine long ago, and Ukraine just
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Speaker 1: keeps holding on. Whether it's Western support, whether it's just
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Speaker 1: extreme patriotism, whether it's the hand of God. It's hard
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Speaker 1: to say exactly what proportion these things are all involved
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Speaker 1: in the picture. But here we are, Russia is still
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Speaker 1: not wrap events in that section of Europe. We typically
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Speaker 1: understand that until she wraps things up in that part
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Speaker 1: of Europe one way or the other, she's not going
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Speaker 1: to be heading south for Gagamegon. Another story that really
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Speaker 1: has me just shaking my heads, like what do we
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Speaker 1: do with this? It's watching the relationship between Israel the
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Speaker 1: West in general, in America in particular. You see America
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Speaker 1: saying things like we're Israel's best friend and Israel says
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Speaker 1: things like America's our best friend, and yet we see
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Speaker 1: plenty of evidence that they're really uneasy bedfellows in some ways,
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Speaker 1: because America is also playing to her allies with the
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Speaker 1: Arab world, and she's playing both sides. This has been
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Speaker 1: American foreign policy since World War Two, and it's just
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Speaker 1: interesting to see America uses to see Israel use America.
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Speaker 1: This is what world politics is all about, isn't it
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Speaker 1: just people using each other? Those are the two things
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Speaker 1: that stand out to me.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no doubt.
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Speaker 2: And I think about what I've seen with Russia because
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Speaker 2: again we know, as you mentioned, that the Gog Maygog
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Speaker 2: conflict in Ezekol thirty and thirty nine is on the horizon.
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Speaker 2: You know whatever that means. It's one of those things
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Speaker 2: that clearly has not been fulfilled historically. It says it's
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Speaker 2: going to happen in the latter years, and here we are.
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Speaker 2: It says it's that that God, the whole coalition is
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Speaker 2: going to come upon a people who have been regathered. Okay,
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Speaker 2: so that's post that's post nineteen forty eight, and it's
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Speaker 2: going to come upon a nation that has been regathered
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Speaker 2: from all the other nations and upon the mountains of Israel,
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Speaker 2: which had long laid desolate. Okay, so you're talking from
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Speaker 2: seventy eighty to nineteen forty eight, eighteen seventy eight years
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Speaker 2: of desolation. So clearly it puts us in the latter
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Speaker 2: years again of where we're at now. But the other
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Speaker 2: thing too is, like you said, how are they going
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Speaker 2: to be thinking about Israel when they can't get it
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Speaker 2: done in Ukraine. But let me ask you this, because
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Speaker 2: I do want to talk about the American politics for
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Speaker 2: a moment, But why is it that the Russian Air Force?
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Speaker 2: They have a they have a powerful air force, They
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Speaker 2: got great airplanes, you know, a jets, not maybe not
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Speaker 2: at the F thirty five level, But why aren't they
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Speaker 2: Why aren't they coming in and like we would like
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Speaker 2: we did in Iraq, or even like Israel has done
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Speaker 2: in Iran and other these places. Why aren't they going
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Speaker 2: in and bombing with miss with missiles with I'm talking
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Speaker 2: about Russia. Why aren't they bombing Kiev? Why aren't they
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Speaker 2: bombing the infrastructure? Why are they seemingly only leaning on
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Speaker 2: ground invasion. I mean to me that they're intentionally holding
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Speaker 2: themselves back for what reason, why are they taking the
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Speaker 2: slow route when they could speed it up.
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Speaker 3: Any thoughts, well, A couple.
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Speaker 1: Things that are going on. One is, there is the
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Speaker 1: theory that's been floated, and I think there is some
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Speaker 1: legitimacy to it that Russia has been withholding some of
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Speaker 1: her biggest weapons for something big in the future, whether
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Speaker 1: it's the Finnish Ukraine or whether it's for something else.
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Speaker 1: The other thing that I think probably deserves to be
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Speaker 1: considered is Russia when she has tried to use her
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Speaker 1: more elite classes of fighter jets and bomber jets and
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Speaker 1: the bombers that they've suffered a pretty significant casualty rate
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Speaker 1: as far as aircraft being shot down through anti aircraft ability,
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Speaker 1: through anti aircraft missiles, and through other efforts that the
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Speaker 1: Ukrainians have made. So I think I think there's a
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Speaker 1: hesitancy there to throw good after bad. So beyond that,
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Speaker 1: I think we also have to weigh into the picture
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Speaker 1: that God has his timetable and just like he worked
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Speaker 1: his own will with Waterloo for instance, between England and France,
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Speaker 1: and on paper it looked like the battle was going
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Speaker 1: to go one way and it actually went the other way.
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Speaker 1: Why because it was not God's will for France to
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Speaker 1: come out on top.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because.
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Speaker 2: I see some of that, and it makes you wonder whether,
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Speaker 2: certainly NATO, there's no doubt America and others are providing
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Speaker 2: weaponry to Ukraine. We've provided some missiles and others we've
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Speaker 2: refused to provide for them, you know, that will then
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Speaker 2: be shot into the heartland of Russia. The other thing, though,
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Speaker 2: that I think about is Russia has cruise missiles. So
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Speaker 2: even if they didn't want to use their airplanes, why
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Speaker 2: aren't they using their cruise missiles And and so there's
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Speaker 2: I see a certain level of restraint. And I'm not
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Speaker 2: advocating for them to whip out all their stuff. I'm
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Speaker 2: just thinking out loud, wondering why is it that they're
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Speaker 2: taking a slow, methodical approach, And I don't know who knows.
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Speaker 2: And another thing, too is the what we've seen it,
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Speaker 2: what we saw in twenty twenty five is almost like
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Speaker 2: the death wish of some of the elites, some of
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Speaker 2: the globalists within the European Union. They just seem determined
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Speaker 2: to go to war with Russia. And Trump is not
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Speaker 2: interested in at leas's ground troops, but just the things
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Speaker 2: that they're doing so overt. It's like these these again,
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Speaker 2: these warhawks want war with Russia, and and I think
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Speaker 2: in many ways they believe that America will get sucked in,
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Speaker 2: kind of like World War Two. I mean, we're not
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Speaker 2: over there, right, We're not on that continent, but we
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Speaker 2: got sucked in to defend the West, freedom, liberty from Nazism.
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Speaker 3: Will it be the same with Russia?
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Speaker 1: It could be. And I think you're right. This is
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Speaker 1: where European Union nations are playing their cards. I don't
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Speaker 1: some of them seem to really want aggressively to go
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Speaker 1: to war, and others of them are saying, if they
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Speaker 1: want to go to war, we're ready. But at the
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Speaker 1: same time, I think the direction that Trump is playing
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Speaker 1: is not looking on war fitting the direction Trump is
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Speaker 1: playing in his closest allies there. They're looking at the
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Speaker 1: political will in Russia weakening, the political will in Ukraine weakening,
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Speaker 1: and maybe they will come together with some kind of
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Speaker 1: an understanding. That's not a complete win for either side,
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Speaker 1: but it's way better than a loss for one side
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Speaker 1: of the other. The advantage that Russia would have here
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Speaker 1: is that if they can come together within an agreement
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Speaker 1: that's the end of the losses for Russia. Hundreds of
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Speaker 1: thousands of troops killed and wounded, a tremendous toll on
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Speaker 1: the psyche of the Russian people, seeing their young men
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Speaker 1: killed and just seeing Russian's military projection of strength being weakened.
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Speaker 1: That's not a good thing for the nation, and this
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Speaker 1: would be a good solution, I think for both. On
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Speaker 1: the purely a political ground of some kind of an agreement,
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Speaker 1: I think it would be. I'm not really sure which
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Speaker 1: direction it's going to go for sure, but I would
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Speaker 1: put my hedge my bet in the direction of some
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Speaker 1: kind of an agreement is, if not absolutely reached this year,
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Speaker 1: it's strongly going forwards where it will be the war
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Speaker 1: will come to an end and with some kind of
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Speaker 1: an agreement that will with the political weakening in Ukraine,
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Speaker 1: the new government in Ukraine will be more amenable to Russia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's I don't think with what we've seen so far,
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Speaker 2: Russia has been shown to not be as strong as
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Speaker 2: it is now. Granted it's got nuclear weapons, so and
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Speaker 2: there's no way that I mean, nobody wants to occupy Russia.
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Speaker 2: It's a big land mass, I mean, so, but there's
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Speaker 2: no doubt Russia wants to occupy and you know, take
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Speaker 2: over the dawn Bass region. They have already took over
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Speaker 2: Crimea back in twenty fourteen. So in that sense, in
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Speaker 2: the sense of a traditional land war in Ukraine, I
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Speaker 2: don't think that Russia. If Russia can barely handle Ukraine,
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Speaker 2: if all of Europe was to unite against Russia in
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Speaker 2: getting them out, there's no way they would win in
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Speaker 2: that there would they result? Would they threaten nuclear weabsapons
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Speaker 2: bombing London or something, or France or even Germany?
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Speaker 3: Would they would they? Would they bomb?
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Speaker 2: Would they use nuclear weapons to hold on to the
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Speaker 2: dawn Maass region that they've pretty much solidified right now,
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Speaker 2: because that's what they want, And I would be I
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Speaker 2: would question whether they would use nuclear weapons to do that,
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Speaker 2: But that would be the only way, that would be
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Speaker 2: the only way they could stop a full in United
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Speaker 2: Europe against them. I just don't They've shown themselves to
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Speaker 2: be that week again. They can't handle Ukraine. But thinking
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Speaker 2: about how this goes into Ezekiel thirty eight, could it
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Speaker 2: be that Ezekiel thirty eight is a response there's hooks
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Speaker 2: in the jaws, right we know that language. Could it
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Speaker 2: be that as we look forward, that Europe does get involved,
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Speaker 2: they do give Russia a black eye. Russia, Russia's bruised,
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Speaker 2: but they don't have a black eye. I think they
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Speaker 2: they're clearly winning, winning the war right now. But could
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Speaker 2: it be that the United Europe does give them a
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Speaker 2: black eye, pushes them out over the coming year, that
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Speaker 2: they don't go to the point of using nuclear weapons,
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Speaker 2: but they end up getting a black eye through traditional warfare,
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Speaker 2: and then that creates this pride that's bruised, which would
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Speaker 2: then lead to a motivated reason to go into Israel.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that that's a theory that could be
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Speaker 1: rejected when we're looking at a fluid situation like this.
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Speaker 1: I have three or four theories I think that are
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Speaker 1: are reasonable that could be entertained and considered. You know,
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Speaker 1: when you get married do with theory, then you end
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Speaker 1: up with problems, right, But if you know, I think
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Speaker 1: it's more likely that we're going to see a consolidation
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Speaker 1: of European territory under Russia one way or the other.
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Speaker 1: But when you look at this slow, knockdown, drag out
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Speaker 1: fight where no side has a clear advantage, a clear
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Speaker 1: path to victory, without upping the anti in a way
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Speaker 1: that nobody wants to up the ante. Then you start
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Speaker 1: to scratch it and you wonder, well, how is this
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Speaker 1: ever going to come together in Europe before it goes south?
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Speaker 1: But I know that it will, and I guess to
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Speaker 1: be honest, we've seen a few things in the last
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Speaker 1: few years that completely caught us by surprise, and I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if we're caught by surprise once again here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we see right now that I mean, as we're
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Speaker 2: discussing this, Trump is has just met with Zelensky again,
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Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, Zelensky, they just
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Speaker 2: have to accept territorial losses. The Donbass is gone. That
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Speaker 2: there's no way that that Russia is going to give
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Speaker 2: that up. They're not going to be forced to give
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Speaker 2: it up. No one's forcing Rush to give up. Certainly
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Speaker 2: Ukraine's not. And so Trump's trying to say, look, the
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Speaker 2: reality's on the wall here, dude. I mean, we're not
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Speaker 2: gonna support at least and I say it's we're not
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Speaker 2: gonna support unlimited funds so that you can keep the
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Speaker 2: Donbass region. It's not gonna happen. You're gonna have to
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Speaker 2: just accept the loss. Well, then lately what we've seen
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Speaker 2: is Zelenski originally has was very opposed to that. I
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Speaker 2: mean just redline, we're not doing that. But now he's
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Speaker 2: under the he's sneaky, he's a politician, and he's certainly corrupt,
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Speaker 2: but he is saying, well, we'll put it to a
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Speaker 2: vote of the people, we'll put a referendum on it.
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Speaker 2: And so I think what's going to happen is that
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Speaker 2: he's going to put a referendum on it, which then
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Speaker 2: they're going to cheat and steal and most likely to
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Speaker 2: get what he wanted. And then he's gonna say, well,
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Speaker 2: so I'm just doing what the people wanted, and then
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Speaker 2: he can put in his and then he can see
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Speaker 2: what he's trying.
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Speaker 3: He's trying to force Europe.
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Speaker 2: He's trying to force us to be a Europe's war,
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Speaker 2: and that would help him because then he's become secondary
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Speaker 2: and then it's just happening, and then he gets all
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Speaker 2: of Europe to fight for him. So interesting times as
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Speaker 2: we look forward, and there's no doubt what we do
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Speaker 2: know is that the hooks and the jaw are coming
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Speaker 2: for eas Ego thirty eight and one of the things
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Speaker 2: that we saw too. Give me your thoughts on this
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five and as we look forward, who
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Speaker 2: would have ever thought that a criminal, a murderer in
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Speaker 2: the Middle East became would become Jolani, would become the
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Speaker 2: president of Syria. No one saw that coming, like Assad's fall,
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Speaker 2: Bashar Assad and then him becoming Jolana, becoming the leader,
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Speaker 2: and then putting on a suit, you know, trimming his
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Speaker 2: beard and being.
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Speaker 3: Welcome at the White House. I mean, no one predicted.
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Speaker 2: No one was talking about that in twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 2: about what would happen that this again, this this criminal
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Speaker 2: murderer would be welcomed not only by France and by Europe,
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Speaker 2: but into the White House itself.
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Speaker 1: To me, that is really one of the biggest stories
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Speaker 1: of last year. That coming to power, maintaining power, and
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Speaker 1: being received by the West is mind boggling to me.
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Speaker 1: When we make Clay like we're gonna deal hard line
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Speaker 1: with terrorist organizations and we're going to declare them enemies
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Speaker 1: of the state, We're going to declare war on them,
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Speaker 1: but then you soft pedal your.
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Speaker 3: Position on his head. It was like ten million, yeah,
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Speaker 3: like a CIA bounty.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so oh, just because he's done to suit
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Speaker 1: now he's no longer a terrorist organization. I bet my
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Speaker 1: last dollar that he's just as much of a giehatist
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Speaker 1: today as he ever was. And and I think they're
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Speaker 1: learning their lessons. I think this is what really the
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Speaker 1: price the West is going to have to pay for
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Speaker 1: not doing the job right in the first place and
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Speaker 1: not dealing with the terrorists gie hottest organizations the way
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Speaker 1: they should have. Is it in the future this these
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Speaker 1: organizations are going to be to some degree abandoned, and
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Speaker 1: they're they're going to be absorbed into national armies, and
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Speaker 1: then you're going to have your uh, your terrorist organizations
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Speaker 1: are gonna be battalions and brigades in a national army,
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Speaker 1: and that mentality is still there, and that mentality is
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Speaker 1: going to be in the government. And now this is
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Speaker 1: going to be a mountain ten times harder to climb
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Speaker 1: than the independent terrorist organizations. And we're going to see
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Speaker 1: this not only in Syria. We're going to see this
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Speaker 1: happen in other parts of the Middle East. This is
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Speaker 1: going to become dominant. I wouldn't be surprised if the
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Speaker 1: problems that we're seeing and Iran too, would resolve themselves
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Speaker 1: by someone that professes to be more moderate coming into power,
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Speaker 1: and there's actually no moderation at all. There just political expediency.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and no doubt Iran is struggling not only economically
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Speaker 2: but drought, major major drought protests. This has been one
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Speaker 2: of the highest levels just in the past few weeks
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Speaker 2: of protests that are there. People are they have power outages,
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Speaker 2: you know, the not only water. They were talking about
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Speaker 2: abandoning Tehran because there's just simply no water at all,
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Speaker 2: like the water the reservoir is gone, and so you
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Speaker 2: have you have that, and so the protests are against that,
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Speaker 2: their hatred of Israel spending billions and billions of dollars
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Speaker 2: not on their own people and providing all the infrastructure
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Speaker 2: that they might need just to live and to have
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Speaker 2: water and electricity, but they've spending on weapons in war,
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Speaker 2: and so the people are fed up with that, and
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Speaker 2: so you have that aspect of it.
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Speaker 3: They're rebuilding.
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Speaker 2: Of course, you know that they're underground nuclear reactors, trying
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Speaker 2: to make them even deeper out of reach of American
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Speaker 2: and Israeli weaponry. So you have that, and then as
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Speaker 2: you mentioned, you have the whole Saudi Arabia. You have
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Speaker 2: that the meeting has just happened over the past few
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Speaker 2: months with MLS and and Trump and everything else. As
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Speaker 2: we look two twenty twenty six, where's Israel added all this?
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Speaker 2: You know is are is Saudi Arabia going to become
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Speaker 2: part of the Abrahamic Accords?
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Speaker 3: You know? Is that going to be? Are we going
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Speaker 3: to Are we going to be.
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Speaker 2: Moving towards peace and dwelling in unwalled villages like Eazeko
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Speaker 2: thirty eight says or quiet and it doesn't say peaceful people.
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Speaker 2: It just says a quiet people and a confident people.
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Speaker 2: Is that what we're heading or is that a little
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Speaker 2: farther off?
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Speaker 1: I think we're definitely headed that way. I think that
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Speaker 1: Israel's going to have her efforts still in Gaza, Samaria,
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Speaker 1: the West Bank. It'll be tempered by the West, be
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Speaker 1: tempered by America, but I think it will continue to
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Speaker 1: go forwards in a way where Israel will deal with Gaza,
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Speaker 1: maybe not as thoroughly as she would like to, but
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Speaker 1: it will be dealt with, and she will deal with
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Speaker 1: nests that are particularly a problematic in Samari, in the
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Speaker 1: West Bank, and probably not as far as she would
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Speaker 1: like to go, but as far as the West will
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Speaker 1: allow her to go, particularly America. And I think we
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Speaker 1: are definitely going to be going the direction of Israel
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Speaker 1: having a secure your nation without having to erect walls,
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Speaker 1: whether traditional medieval walls or whether erecting the modern concrete
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Speaker 1: and barbed wire barriers. I think she's going to have
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Speaker 1: an increased degree of freedom. And I really think this
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Speaker 1: is part of the picture of many Jewish people making
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Speaker 1: ali from the West, especially America. They're going to have
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Speaker 1: problems here in America that they're going to flee, and
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Speaker 1: they're actually going to be safer in Israel. Then they
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Speaker 1: will be where they're fleeing from.
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Speaker 2: You know, that's a great point because what we have,
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Speaker 2: what we have seen from really October seventh, twenty three,
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Speaker 2: so all into twenty four, anti Semitism went through the
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Speaker 2: roof twenty five, you know, no different. And so what
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Speaker 2: we're seeing now in America is again this and certainly
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Speaker 2: in Europe, increased anti Semitism, increased immigration all through Europe,
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Speaker 2: certainly in America Islamic you know, again, radicals everybody's talking about,
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Speaker 2: you know, the Somalians up in Minnesota ripping off the
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Speaker 2: government for billions of dollars, and so you have a
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Speaker 2: variety of things here, but the idea that living in
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Speaker 2: America as a Jew, that you would be safer to
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Speaker 2: live in Israel because what they're realizing is that in
21:24
Speaker 2: whatever country they're in. You see this, especially in the UK,
21:28
Speaker 2: if you're a Jew, the government doesn't protect you. You
21:31
Speaker 2: can have all these protests anti Israel protests, but if
21:34
Speaker 2: you go out there or you criticize Islam, you're going
21:38
Speaker 2: to be arrested. But if you criticize Jews, no, there's
21:41
Speaker 2: no arrest. So when it comes to the point where
21:43
Speaker 2: you're a Jewish person in the country that you're living
21:46
Speaker 2: and the government doesn't protect you, you have to come
21:48
Speaker 2: to the bunk one. Well, what government in the world
21:50
Speaker 2: protects Jews. There's only one, and that's in the land
21:53
Speaker 2: of Israel.
21:54
Speaker 1: That's exactly.
21:54
Speaker 2: They absolutely are determined to protect their state and their citizenship.
22:00
Speaker 2: And so it's interesting that the thinking going on that
22:04
Speaker 2: we do see again many passages of Scripture discuss how
22:08
Speaker 2: God is going to bring his people back from all
22:10
Speaker 2: the various nations, and so immigration, I perceive that integrate
22:16
Speaker 2: immigration to Israel of Jewish people from all these various
22:20
Speaker 2: places is going to increase in twenty six and which
22:24
Speaker 2: again will fulfill more prophecy to bring them back to
22:27
Speaker 2: the land for God's reasons. But it's talk about as well,
22:33
Speaker 2: you know, so Trump, Okay, Trump had his first full year.
22:37
Speaker 2: It's almost over, you know, January twentieth will be a year.
22:40
Speaker 2: And any surprises of Trump's behavior.
22:44
Speaker 1: From your perspective, I haven't seen anything that really out
22:48
Speaker 1: of the blue surprised me. I'm glad that we see
22:52
Speaker 1: economic recovery going forwards on some levels. I'm glad to
22:59
Speaker 1: see that Trump is still standing with Israel. But one
23:04
Speaker 1: thing that makes me nervous about Trump's cabinet is that
23:08
Speaker 1: there are people in his cabinet who are heavily influenced
23:12
Speaker 1: by the anti Semitism and the post millennial direction. And
23:16
Speaker 1: even if they're not overtly anti Semitic, that position that
23:20
Speaker 1: they hold, that post millennial eschatology.
23:23
Speaker 3: Or even tolerance of it, yep, that is in and.
23:26
Speaker 1: Of itself like a hot bed or a greenhouse for
23:29
Speaker 1: anti Semitism to grow. And I think this spirit is
23:33
Speaker 1: going to spread through the American government. I think it's
23:37
Speaker 1: going to spread and through American christendom. I think we're
23:42
Speaker 1: going to see this continue to go, and we're going
23:45
Speaker 1: to see a greater division between those that are true
23:48
Speaker 1: Biblical Christians and those that are well traditional Christians of
23:55
Speaker 1: the High Church stamp.
23:57
Speaker 3: Yeah.
23:58
Speaker 2: The one thing that I could say that I think
24:00
Speaker 2: all of us well, and I say all of us,
24:02
Speaker 2: you got to speak be careful. There's no doubt the
24:08
Speaker 2: what I anticipated or what I had heard. I'll say
24:11
Speaker 2: it that way.
24:13
Speaker 3: Is Okay.
24:14
Speaker 2: Trump's elected in November of twenty four, Christians are like, ah, wait,
24:18
Speaker 2: that's it. You know, we won. There's no Biden's over Kamala. Definitely,
24:23
Speaker 2: that would have been a disaster. And then you have
24:27
Speaker 2: within the church, I see us, maybe not surprisingly, but
24:32
Speaker 2: decisively increased polarization. You have increased polarization around Israel. You
24:37
Speaker 2: have increased polarization around Trump. You have Trump's the Antichrist,
24:41
Speaker 2: and you have Trump's the savior. You have you know,
24:43
Speaker 2: Israel's that the demon spawn. And then Israel is you know,
24:46
Speaker 2: can do no wrong. They're they're the chosen people, et cetera,
24:49
Speaker 2: et cetera. So you know, I spent really most of
24:52
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five talking about Israel and the polarization in
24:56
Speaker 2: the Church and trying to nuance it in such a
24:58
Speaker 2: way to balance it and say, hey, look we you know,
25:01
Speaker 2: it's okay to criticize Israel as government's okay to create
25:04
Speaker 2: criticize the French government, in the UK government, the United
25:06
Speaker 2: States government, so we don't give a pass to any
25:09
Speaker 2: government as a Christian. But also what it means that
25:12
Speaker 2: Israel still retains the promises, you know, Roman Szience says
25:15
Speaker 2: that clearly there's still got chosen people. That doesn't mean
25:18
Speaker 2: they're saved. Chosen means separated. There's still got separate people
25:22
Speaker 2: for his purposes. He has a purpose from in the future,
25:25
Speaker 2: and currently they're in a state of spiritual rebellion against
25:29
Speaker 2: God in certainly the Lord Jesus Christ.
25:32
Speaker 3: So they're Messiah.
25:33
Speaker 2: But one of the things that I found interesting again
25:36
Speaker 2: in the whole realm was Trump's well, let me say
25:42
Speaker 2: it this way, a lot of what Biden was doing
25:44
Speaker 2: over COVID, because he was there right during COVID, and
25:48
Speaker 2: he gave a red carpet for globalism, world Health Organization,
25:53
Speaker 2: you name it, all these other things.
25:55
Speaker 3: The control that they had, the Unified basically shut down of.
26:02
Speaker 2: Businesses and governments, the unified approach to health mandates as
26:06
Speaker 2: we know with the vaccine and other things. So that
26:09
Speaker 2: all happened under Biden. Well, then of course Biden is removed,
26:13
Speaker 2: Kamala is removed. Wow, we can just sit back and
26:16
Speaker 2: relax now, Lee Trump's in.
26:18
Speaker 3: Everything is going to be wonderful.
26:19
Speaker 2: Well, then Trump turns around and he puts on the
26:22
Speaker 2: fast track artificial intelligence and data centers, and he brings
26:27
Speaker 2: in He has the Stargate project, you know, up to
26:30
Speaker 2: five hundred million dollars of investment into promoting all this tech.
26:35
Speaker 2: He brings in Pallanteer in order to and of course
26:39
Speaker 2: Elon Musk with Doge, in order to make efficient the
26:43
Speaker 2: United States government in all of its ways. And there's
26:45
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with deficiency for efficiency's sake. But talk about
26:49
Speaker 2: that for a minute, in the sense that I think
26:52
Speaker 2: that the typical prophecy minded Christian was thinking about globalism.
26:57
Speaker 2: But now Trump's bringing in the techs, forwarding and fast
27:01
Speaker 2: tracking the tech that will one day be hijacked by
27:04
Speaker 2: the Antichrist, and I think that they're they're maybe a
27:08
Speaker 2: little bit turning a blind eye to his contribution to
27:12
Speaker 2: that system. Again, I don't know what his motives are.
27:14
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's promoting the Antichrist. I think his
27:17
Speaker 2: motives are just to win. I mean, I don't even
27:19
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even think that. I know that
27:20
Speaker 2: he says it. We want to win, we want to
27:22
Speaker 2: be number one. So I'm not reading anything but that
27:25
Speaker 2: motive to win, and to be the best at AI,
27:28
Speaker 2: to be the best at tech, to be the best
27:30
Speaker 2: at you know, being a energy dependent et cetera, et cetera,
27:34
Speaker 2: et cetera.
27:34
Speaker 3: How does that further the eventual beast system.
27:41
Speaker 1: So, really, when we look at what's going on with
27:44
Speaker 1: Trump and you, you have a situation here where people
27:49
Speaker 1: are looking at it like the traditional good versus evil,
27:52
Speaker 1: like good in the sense of God is good versus evil,
27:56
Speaker 1: that God versus the devil. And really, when you're looking
27:59
Speaker 1: at the political pair, I'm the right and the left,
28:01
Speaker 1: this is more like the Force in the Star Wars movies,
28:05
Speaker 1: where the it's the good side of the Force and
28:09
Speaker 1: the bad side of the Force. They're not polar opposites,
28:11
Speaker 1: they're the same thing. It's all one harmonious thing. And
28:15
Speaker 1: this is really what's going on in American politics. It's
28:18
Speaker 1: the good side of the force is controlling the show
28:22
Speaker 1: right now, but it's still the world. And so really
28:26
Speaker 1: what we have going on is America is is from us.
28:30
Speaker 1: From our perspective, it looks like we are caught between
28:34
Speaker 1: a rock and a hard place. We have to choose
28:37
Speaker 1: between the lesser two evils. We see this going forwards.
28:41
Speaker 1: If we don't, if we don't come out on top,
28:47
Speaker 1: then someone else is going to come out on top.
28:49
Speaker 1: If China comes out on top, if Russia comes out
28:51
Speaker 1: on top, then they're going to dominate. And we would
28:54
Speaker 1: rather have America in her Western allies dominating the world
28:57
Speaker 1: with this tech than have Russia or China died dominating
29:00
Speaker 1: or worse, the Muslim world dominating. So we have to
29:04
Speaker 1: come out on top. But what's interesting about this, because
29:08
Speaker 1: this is this Yin and yang good side of the
29:11
Speaker 1: evil and the bad side of the evil all together,
29:15
Speaker 1: what's going on here is and I saw it coming
29:19
Speaker 1: before the election, is that there would not be any
29:23
Speaker 1: slow down of big brother government technology, big brother government technocracy.
29:29
Speaker 1: It was going to continue on the fast track, and
29:32
Speaker 1: I figured that it would be accelerated under the Republicans.
29:35
Speaker 1: The Republicans have been the ones that accelerated the legislation
29:39
Speaker 1: in the past generations that promoted the big government that
29:44
Speaker 1: we have right now, and it was all the name
29:46
Speaker 1: of combating terrorism. And so now we're combating terrorism, we're
29:50
Speaker 1: combating white collar crime, we're.
29:52
Speaker 3: Combat the immigration, all of them.
29:55
Speaker 1: And so we're going to close the borders. We're to
29:57
Speaker 1: do this, We're going to do that, and superficially it's
29:59
Speaker 1: all good stuff. Who would argue against it? And yet
30:03
Speaker 1: the cost is our ultimately freedom. And so really the
30:08
Speaker 1: Republican Party is is going to continue on a path.
30:14
Speaker 1: The conservatives in America, including the modestly left and the
30:18
Speaker 1: independents that are opposed to the far left, they're going
30:22
Speaker 1: to be all part of this picture, and it's going
30:26
Speaker 1: to reduce our freedoms. Not is the ending and of itself,
30:30
Speaker 1: but is a cost for securing their ends.
30:33
Speaker 2: You know, you brought up Star Wars and the Star
30:37
Speaker 2: Wars Book of Truth in the sense of you think
30:40
Speaker 2: about you know these you see this telegraphing right where
30:45
Speaker 2: I mean, Star Wars been out for you know, a
30:48
Speaker 2: couple generations from the seventies. But what do you have
30:53
Speaker 2: at the time. You have a stroke of genius that
30:56
Speaker 2: the emperor who's on the side of good, least officially,
31:03
Speaker 2: they bring about the technology in order to go after
31:08
Speaker 2: the rebels, which in this case was the army. They
31:12
Speaker 2: had to come up with a clone army, right in
31:14
Speaker 2: order to fight the rebels. But in his mind, he's thinking,
31:18
Speaker 2: this is great because we put it under the sake
31:21
Speaker 2: of going after the wicked ones, the evil the rebels.
31:25
Speaker 2: But then he had plans from the beginning to come
31:27
Speaker 2: into power, and then he's going to use that exact
31:30
Speaker 2: same technology.
31:31
Speaker 3: For his own power yep.
31:33
Speaker 2: And so it's like, well, that's exactly what the Bible says,
31:36
Speaker 2: you know, in the sense of what you have happening
31:39
Speaker 2: right now. Is all this thing, all the all the
31:42
Speaker 2: technology that Trump's promoting, all this stuff with Palanteer, all
31:45
Speaker 2: this sense of this, the connections, descriptions, even the bio
31:50
Speaker 2: the digital ideas, all those are meant what to keep
31:53
Speaker 2: out those evil immigrants, those illegal immigrants that have come across.
31:57
Speaker 3: We're going to catch them, We're gonna get rid of them.
31:58
Speaker 2: We're gonna have all this technology to find them because
32:01
Speaker 2: they are a drain on the American economy.
32:07
Speaker 3: Getting free this, free that, and of course.
32:09
Speaker 2: It's been much of that is true, yep, okay, But
32:12
Speaker 2: all that technology to find them is the same technology
32:17
Speaker 2: that can be turned on its own people's right, which
32:20
Speaker 2: is again, it's the playbook out of Star Wars.
32:23
Speaker 3: It's amazing to me that human nature, human nature is
32:26
Speaker 3: human nature.
32:27
Speaker 1: That's right. Human nature will not change. We make the
32:30
Speaker 1: same mistakes over and over again. You now, Years ago
32:34
Speaker 1: I heard a statement that the definition of insanity, or
32:39
Speaker 1: at least a pragmatic explanation of insanity, is that making
32:44
Speaker 1: the same mistakes over and over and over.
32:46
Speaker 3: Again, expecting a different outcome. Yep.
32:49
Speaker 1: And this is really when we look at what America
32:52
Speaker 1: has been doing, it's the flip flop between left and right.
32:56
Speaker 1: Looks like it's this big battle between bad good and
33:01
Speaker 1: it's not. It's just really a flip flop between one
33:04
Speaker 1: brand of evil and another brand of evil. Between a
33:08
Speaker 1: new world order dominated by the West, I mean, not
33:12
Speaker 1: dominated by the West, but the new world order dominated
33:14
Speaker 1: by the UN are dominated by Europe, or you're going
33:18
Speaker 1: to look at a world, new world order that America
33:22
Speaker 1: wants to assert herself in it. We're not really setting
33:25
Speaker 1: aside any new world order. We're just setting aside the
33:28
Speaker 1: leftist version of it.
33:29
Speaker 3: Yep, for now.
33:30
Speaker 2: And I mean this is where I think about this.
33:33
Speaker 3: That we've had.
33:37
Speaker 2: One full year now almost of Trump's efforts, and again
33:42
Speaker 2: I appreciate that the borders closed for the most part.
33:45
Speaker 2: I appreciate that inflations down. I appreciate that we're looking
33:50
Speaker 2: for we're looking to not be dominated by China or
33:54
Speaker 2: Russia or India, and that he wants to make America
33:58
Speaker 2: technologically economically great. Who doesn't Again, I give him, I
34:02
Speaker 2: give him credit for.
34:03
Speaker 1: That appear where we would have been.
34:04
Speaker 2: Right exactly, we're not beholden to globalism. But at the
34:09
Speaker 2: same time that stream of imagine three more years of
34:14
Speaker 2: technological advancement with all of these things. Then taking all
34:19
Speaker 2: of that again, take the clone army that is being
34:22
Speaker 2: built right now, and then hypothetically or potentially turn it
34:26
Speaker 2: over to the Democrats. He built the system that potentially
34:32
Speaker 2: the Democrats in twenty twenty eight and starting in twenty
34:35
Speaker 2: twenty nine will now have control of.
34:37
Speaker 1: Or are a complete post millennial Republican.
34:44
Speaker 3: Yeah.
34:45
Speaker 2: I mean right now, I just saw a think yesterday
34:47
Speaker 2: that advance is JD vance forty eight percent. If the
34:52
Speaker 2: Republican primary was held today. Rubio, who I really like,
34:57
Speaker 2: He's at twelve percent, So there's no doubt Dvance is
34:59
Speaker 2: a is the front roinner. A lot gonna happen in
35:01
Speaker 2: four years. But nevertheless, we need to not be blind
35:05
Speaker 2: to all the good things.
35:06
Speaker 3: That are happening.
35:07
Speaker 2: Again, I again going back to the everybody's rejoicing at
35:11
Speaker 2: the army that you know, the clone army, because it's
35:13
Speaker 2: gonna get those rebels, you know whatever. But yet that
35:18
Speaker 2: same technology is going to be used. So we have
35:19
Speaker 2: three more years of this that's coming, which again is
35:22
Speaker 2: a little scary if the Lord terries at least for
35:25
Speaker 2: the rapture. I mean, there's no doubt that from we
35:28
Speaker 2: have at least seven years of human history left at
35:30
Speaker 2: the minimum if the rapture happened today.
35:32
Speaker 3: But all that's happening.
35:34
Speaker 2: The other thing that I want to discuss is for
35:35
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, were kind of seen a little bit
35:37
Speaker 2: of it in twenty five. Even more is for Timothy
35:41
Speaker 2: for to one, in the latter days, many will depart
35:44
Speaker 2: from the faith and give heed to seducing spirits, doctrine,
35:46
Speaker 2: and demons. They're gonna heap up teachers for themselves, they're
35:49
Speaker 2: gonna itch their ears, you know, tickle their ears.
35:52
Speaker 3: Et cetera, et cetera. So the idea of aposesey.
35:56
Speaker 2: From what we understand, not second that sans two three, yes,
36:00
Speaker 2: for sure from our perspective, but from first sympathy four
36:05
Speaker 2: to one. So this idea of the departing from the
36:08
Speaker 2: faith that Christianity has continuing to become more heretical. What
36:12
Speaker 2: do you see for number first twenty twenty five, and
36:16
Speaker 2: then what do you see going into twenty six.
36:18
Speaker 1: Well, here in twenty twenty five we saw the continuing
36:21
Speaker 1: trend for evangelicals who have historically been of a dispensational
36:25
Speaker 1: persuasion or at least a dispensational leaning, turning away from
36:29
Speaker 1: dispensationalism by the droves and embracing anti Zionism, anti Semiticism,
36:35
Speaker 1: anti distinction between Israel and the Church. And it has
36:38
Speaker 1: profound implications for your political involvement, for your religious beliefs,
36:44
Speaker 1: for your relationship with Israel, even changes in many ways
36:48
Speaker 1: how you handle the Gospel. But we're going to see
36:51
Speaker 1: this trend continue. Another one that we've seen is evangelicals
36:54
Speaker 1: giving up what we regard as the traditional distinctives of
36:57
Speaker 1: the faith, the blood atonement, virgin birth, literal having literally
37:01
Speaker 1: eternal punishment, a literal health fire. And of course, the
37:05
Speaker 1: big conversation that's had people on both sides of the
37:10
Speaker 1: fence getting a little agitated the last few weeks is
37:13
Speaker 1: Kirk Cameron with his views on questioning not necessarily denying
37:19
Speaker 1: eternal punishment, but certainly questioning it.
37:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about that, because I think that you
37:24
Speaker 2: said are exactly right. Where he again, he's a brother
37:29
Speaker 2: in the Lord, He's done a lot for God's kingdom.
37:31
Speaker 3: Certainly.
37:32
Speaker 2: You know, I've disagreed with him on a few items. Again,
37:37
Speaker 2: we agree on more than we disagree, for sure. And
37:40
Speaker 2: you know I did a thing where he had talked
37:42
Speaker 2: about Israel not being the Chosen people, and so I
37:46
Speaker 2: did a response to that and people can find that online.
37:52
Speaker 2: But now the past few weeks he just simply said, well,
37:55
Speaker 2: you know, he's come to this. It's nothing new, but
37:59
Speaker 2: for him it must been new in that he said, oh,
38:02
Speaker 2: I'm coming to coming to understand that this idea of
38:05
Speaker 2: eternal conscious torment, hell, the lake of fire, eternal hell.
38:12
Speaker 3: Isn't as clear as he thought it was.
38:16
Speaker 2: So he said, you know, I'm wondering, is is Well,
38:18
Speaker 2: there's another way to interpret some of these passages, that
38:21
Speaker 2: they are not there is not any eternal hell, but
38:24
Speaker 2: that people it's still hell people. He didn't deny hell,
38:27
Speaker 2: and he didn't come to a final conclusion. But the
38:31
Speaker 2: idea is that people are. They come to a place,
38:35
Speaker 2: they go to hell, they're resurrected, they come to a
38:38
Speaker 2: place after a little bit of time, whatever that time
38:40
Speaker 2: might be. It's it's again, it's ambiguous because it's not
38:42
Speaker 2: in the Bible. But after a certain time of punishment,
38:46
Speaker 2: God just basically puffs them out of existence, and so
38:50
Speaker 2: they're not they don't exist anymore. Soul's gone. Thanks for coming,
38:57
Speaker 2: but you're no longer there. You've you've been made burned
39:00
Speaker 2: up soul, body, everything, and you no longer exist. And
39:04
Speaker 2: that's the eternal that has eternal consequences. Yes, of course,
39:10
Speaker 2: what's what's your first initial thought of reaction to his questioning.
39:15
Speaker 1: Well, I got two things. First of all, even though
39:19
Speaker 1: it's horrifying to think of eternal punishment, at least for
39:23
Speaker 1: my own heart and soul, the thought of eternal cessation
39:27
Speaker 1: of existence is even more horrible than the thought of
39:30
Speaker 1: eternal punishment can explain that, well, personally, it would be
39:36
Speaker 1: awful for me to be an eternal punishment, but at
39:39
Speaker 1: least I exist. But to cease to exist, there's nothing
39:44
Speaker 1: to me, just you're gone. Where's the humanity in that?
39:52
Speaker 1: It's such an empty feeling. This is what drove me
39:56
Speaker 1: to believing in Christ when I was young, a young man,
40:00
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking, Okay, I'm gonna just get seventy eighty
40:05
Speaker 1: years old, I'm gonna die, I'm gonna turn to dirt,
40:07
Speaker 1: the worms are gonna eat me, and I cease to
40:08
Speaker 1: exist as such an empty thoughts. But when I heard
40:13
Speaker 1: the message of eternal life, oh this is great. But
40:17
Speaker 1: here when we go to eternal punishment, the denial of
40:24
Speaker 1: eternal punishment makes perfect sense if you're operating on humanistic,
40:29
Speaker 1: rationalistic grounds. It appeals to human beings and it doesn't
40:34
Speaker 1: seem right by our levels of justice. Right. The problem is,
40:38
Speaker 1: we're not dealing with human considerations, human decisions, human purposes.
40:45
Speaker 1: We're not dealing with human decrees. We're dealing with the
40:47
Speaker 1: decree of the living God that's ensconced in his written
40:51
Speaker 1: eternal word and in his eternal reward. We read things
40:55
Speaker 1: like the devil who deceived them was cast into lake
40:59
Speaker 1: of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false
41:01
Speaker 1: prophet are and they will be tormented day and night forever.
41:05
Speaker 1: Now there's other passages that also talk about human beings
41:09
Speaker 1: where their worm dieth not. So there is clear teaching
41:13
Speaker 1: and scripture of eternal conscious punishment. Now, in my mind,
41:17
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if we have eternal life, it's going to
41:20
Speaker 1: last forever, eternal blessings, eternal bliss. If eternal means eternal blessings,
41:27
Speaker 1: then why does eternal not mean eternal punishment. If you
41:31
Speaker 1: have a punishment that lasts ten minutes or one hundred
41:35
Speaker 1: years and then it's over and you cease to exist,
41:39
Speaker 1: that's not an eternal punishment. That's a very short temporal
41:43
Speaker 1: punishment and a cessation of existence.
41:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, what you see is and.
41:49
Speaker 2: You know, being devil's advocate, what they would respond is, well, Lee,
41:54
Speaker 2: what you're missing is that the eternal is still eternal,
41:59
Speaker 2: that the consequences of that person's decisions are still those
42:04
Speaker 2: those consequences of being annihilated out of existence is still eternal.
42:10
Speaker 2: And so you have eternal life and you have eternal consequences.
42:14
Speaker 2: The problem is even that's inconsistent because our eternal life,
42:17
Speaker 2: if we lived for one hundred years and then we
42:19
Speaker 2: cease to exist, well that would be you know, still
42:24
Speaker 2: we had that, we had the eternal ramifications that we
42:26
Speaker 2: got to exist for a little while, you know. And
42:28
Speaker 2: so you think, okay, wait a minute, how do we
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Speaker 2: how do we wrestle that through? And the thing I'll
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Speaker 2: tell you where I land is that there's no doubt.
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Speaker 2: As you mentioned in Revelation twenty, you have two human beings,
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Speaker 2: the false prophet and the Antichrist. These are human beings, okay,
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Speaker 2: and they are being It doesn't say the smoke of
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Speaker 2: their torment. That's Revelation fourteen. So people say, well, it's
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Speaker 2: the smoke of their torment which is ascending forever and ever.
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Speaker 2: So the torment could end, but the smoke is continuing
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Speaker 2: to be So they're gone, the torment's over, but the
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Speaker 2: smoke is still hanging out for eternity, which is interesting,
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Speaker 2: but that's not what Revelation twenty says. So even those
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Speaker 2: that believe in conditionalism or annihilationism, they are forced to
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Speaker 2: admit that while in Revelation twenty, this is a special circumstance.
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Speaker 2: They can't get around the language there, so they have
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Speaker 2: to admit, well, Satan will for sure be tormented forever,
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Speaker 2: and those two human beings, but those are the only
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Speaker 2: two human beings that are be tormented forever. Well, that's
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Speaker 2: just inconsistent to me that why is it okay for
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Speaker 2: those two?
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Speaker 3: They're still human?
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Speaker 2: And if you're going to have emotion and compassion for
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Speaker 2: the rest of humanity, why wouldn't you have it for
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Speaker 2: those two. Again, now you're being subjective. I think I'll
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Speaker 2: just I'll say this for me, is that this is
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Speaker 2: what gets me. You can prove text again, Revelation twenty,
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Speaker 2: Revelation fourteen. You know Mark nine, the worm doesn't die,
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Speaker 2: you know Isaiah sixty six, all these different passages, So
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Speaker 2: you can prove text back and forth about destruction. But
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Speaker 2: to me, this is where I end up jump okay,
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Speaker 2: Revelation twenty The Great White Throne.
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Speaker 3: It's over.
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Speaker 2: Judgments said, there's something new. Now you've written a book
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Speaker 2: on this a Revelation twenty one. I saw a new
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Speaker 2: Heaven and a new Earth for the first heaven and
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Speaker 2: the first Earth had passed away. Also, there was no
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Speaker 2: more seat, and he talks about all things being made
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Speaker 2: new verse four of twenty one, and God will wipe
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Speaker 2: away every tear. Well, let me read three twenty one three,
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Speaker 2: and I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, behold,
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Speaker 2: the Tabernacle of God is with men, and he will
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Speaker 2: dwell with them, and they shall be as people. God
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Speaker 2: himself will be with them and be their God. Okay,
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Speaker 2: this is the newness, right, it's amazing. This is given,
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Speaker 2: this beautiful, beautiful portrait. And God will wipe away every
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Speaker 2: tear from their eyes. There will be no more death,
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Speaker 2: nor sorrow nor crying. There shall be no more pain,
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Speaker 2: for the former things have passed away. Behold, I've made
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Speaker 2: all things new. Write these words, for they are true
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Speaker 2: and faithful. It is done. And then it goes on
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Speaker 2: through the rest of chapter twenty one. Talks about the
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Speaker 2: new Jerusalem. Man, I mean all the city. It's beautiful, right,
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Speaker 2: the glory of the New Jerusalem. Then you come into
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Speaker 2: chapter twenty two. He showed me a pure river of
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Speaker 2: water of life, proceeding from the throne of God and
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Speaker 2: the lamb. And then you have the tree of life,
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Speaker 2: and you have the leaves. There'll be no more curse,
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Speaker 2: but the throne of God, and the lamb shall be
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Speaker 2: in it. They shall see his face, his name will
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Speaker 2: be on their foreheads. There's no night there, and they
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Speaker 2: shall rain forever and ever. I mean, this is just
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Speaker 2: this beautiful portry. You're like, oh wow, it's finally over.
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Speaker 2: God is vindicated, and you keep going in twenty two
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Speaker 2: all the way down, and then in verse fifteen it
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Speaker 2: says this, but outside our dogs and sorcerers, and the
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Speaker 2: sexually immoral, and the murderers and the dolaters, and whoever
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Speaker 2: loves and practices a lie.
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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, wait a minute.
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Speaker 2: Outside where so here you have. It's interesting to me
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Speaker 2: that the entire portrait, this beautiful portrait of Revelation twenty
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Speaker 2: one and twenty two post great right throne. And in
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Speaker 2: the middle of this beautiful no more tears, no more death,
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Speaker 2: you have this phrase Revelation twenty two to fifteen. But
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Speaker 2: outside are those people.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 2: It's it's shocking that this verse is even in the Bible,
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Speaker 2: because it interrupts the entire flow of what is meant
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Speaker 2: to be beautiful and comforting and rejoicing, because all things
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Speaker 2: are new but yet still inexisted. It didn't say those
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Speaker 2: were annihilated outside exists are these people and.
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Speaker 1: It's the same spirit, is that he's the God of
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Speaker 1: the living, not the God of the dead. Yeesh, it's
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Speaker 1: the same kind of spirit.
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Speaker 2: So here we are, I mean, and so I guess
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Speaker 2: lee as we as you kind of wrap up in
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Speaker 2: the sense of do you and vision, we envision more apostasy,
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Speaker 2: you know, more departure from you know, biblical viewpoints in
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Speaker 2: that regard. Again, none of us are saying that that
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Speaker 2: anybody believes this is a is an unbeliever, they're going
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Speaker 2: to Hell or they lost their salvation. That's not what
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Speaker 2: we're saying. But there's no doubt there's going to be
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Speaker 2: a question. The first thing Satan did in Genesis three
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Speaker 2: was did God say?
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Speaker 3: Did God really say? I mean, I'm just questioning God.
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Speaker 2: Like candass Owens and her approach, she's not offering any evidence,
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Speaker 2: but she's just question just asking questions. Yeah, she's causing
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Speaker 2: a lot of trouble. But for the sake of twenty six.
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Speaker 1: More Apostasyah, Absolutely, we'll see more declension in the sense
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Speaker 1: of luke warmness, and we'll see more apostas see in
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Speaker 1: the sense of doctrinal departure. I think we're going to
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Speaker 1: see more apostasy in the sense of well known preachers
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Speaker 1: and teachers being manifested with us significant moral failures. We're
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Speaker 1: just going to continue to see this manifested in the church,
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Speaker 1: and they'll be a part of it. It's real. It's
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Speaker 1: got a silver lining to it on top of the
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Speaker 1: dark cloud. And that is always God's going to have
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Speaker 1: us separating ways, Separate truth from error, Separate the more
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Speaker 1: faithful church from the less faithful church, Separate real believers
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Speaker 1: from unbelievers, but also to separate believers from their sins.
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Speaker 3: And their errors.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the key here in all this is
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Speaker 2: that you know we talk about the weak in bubble prophecy. Well,
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Speaker 2: the goal is, hey, everybody, scriptures being fulfilled. We're watching
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Speaker 2: and unfold. We have front row seats. God has called
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Speaker 2: us to be pundits, so to speak, and to give
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Speaker 2: up play by play of all this. But the goal
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Speaker 2: is to remind people that this points to the truthfulness
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Speaker 2: of scripture that Jesus died for sinners, he was resurrected
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Speaker 2: for justification. And so you know, if you're listening to
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Speaker 2: this and you have not put your faith in trust
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Speaker 2: in Jesus for the salvation and the forgiveness of your sins.
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Speaker 3: Then you're missing the whole thing, and that really is
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Speaker 3: is why we're here.
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Speaker 2: We're dedicated to that first and foremost, but we get
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Speaker 2: to see all the rest of scripture come to play
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Speaker 2: right in front of us.
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Speaker 3: So Lee always great.
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Speaker 2: It was great twenty twenty five, and we're hoping that
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Speaker 2: the Lord will continue to guide us for twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: May we fly in twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 2: Amen, it would be great to be out of here asap. Lord,
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Speaker 2: that's our request anyway. Thanks for listening, Thanks as well
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Speaker 2: for your support.
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Speaker 3: For what we do here.
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Speaker 2: It is an honor to come and to share with
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Speaker 2: all of you the trewths of God's word and what
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Speaker 2: we're watching for myself and Lee Brainer, thanks for listening.
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Speaker 3: We'll catch you next time.