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EP 57: Is This A Prove It Year For Jalen Hurts? + 2026 NFL Draft Scouting Reports For CB Colton Hood, WR KC Concepcion, G Chase Bisontis, DT Caleb Banks, & TE Eli Stowers · 3 Guys, 6 Balls NFL Podcast

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3 lifelong friends, 6 trusty balls and endless NFL ticks.
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Welcome to Three Guys 6 Balls NFL Podcast.
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Hello everybody, welcome to episode 57 of Three Guys 6
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Balls. I am unfortunately your host
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Today I will hear for the first time.
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Long time, long time listener, first time caller.
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It seems like Avery David Grass. How you doing, Avery?
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I'm good, I'm good, happy to be back.
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Truly glad to have you. Some idiot unfortunately
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approved Jill's vacation time during any week that we record,
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which happens to be 52 weeks of the year.
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I know who did that, but Jill's off celebrating some somebody's
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birthday. I think it's a sister in
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Whatever, David, every grass large news in your world, me or
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you, Who's going first here? You can go ahead.
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I feel like you should go first here.
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Your boy got engaged. Yeah, that's very exciting.
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What's his name? Derek.
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That is actually just a joke. For anyone watching this,
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whoever does watch this, this is the first time I've publicly
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said that It's not on my Instagram, it's not on my
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Facebook, Not that I ever really go on either.
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But yeah. So for all the three people,
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four people that listen, you heard it here first.
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I'm an engaged man and the wedding will be sooner rather
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than later because we're not about this waiting life.
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So. Well, and you're in your 30s and
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so your eggs are drying up, so you got to get my eggs.
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My eggs never dropped, my balls did, but the eggs stayed
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wherever they were. Fair enough.
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Listen, apparently we're supposed to talk football.
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Joe's not here, right? So, like, we can do whatever we
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want to do. What's he going to do?
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Tell us? No, he's going to do Corrales
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back. Corrales back into being on
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topic. He.
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Can't do anything. He can't do anything.
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This is going to be episode 57. The unusual episode will be the
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title of this one. It will go straight into the
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cutting room floor the entire time.
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Now, unfortunately, it is near 7:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
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here while we're recording a bit later than normal and I don't
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have very long, so this will already be a truncated episode.
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So I guess we just jump right in.
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I'm going to start off with a question like Joe likes to.
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I think this has been a question we've asked before or Joe's
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asked before on this show. I'm going to re ask it.
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What to you? Avery makes a franchise
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quarterback. I know where this is leading,
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but I, I want to say I, I think there's a lot of rubrics for
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success that you could look at here.
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Absolutely. I feel like ask that question
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one more time so I make sure I say it right.
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What to you Avery makes a franchise quarterback?
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Being able to win with the roster you've been given.
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OK. And so I will take your answer
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and and that is a wonderful feed into my follow up question.
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How so if if the ultimate success is winning the Super
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Bowl, how long after reaching that success do you have to ride
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that success, right? So if you like Peyton Manning
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when he wanted at the Colts, he continued to be successful at
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the Colts and eventually had neck surgery and they said, hey,
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we're going to go a different direction.
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OK, So that's that's making an extreme example.
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But how long after reaching that pinnacle?
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Like, like for instance, such another example, let's take
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Patrick Mahomes. Let's say he doesn't win 1.
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He won one three years ago, four years ago now.
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It can't have been that long, truly.
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He was at 1-2 years ago against the Eagles.
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How long did the Chiefs give him until they say, hey, we need to
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move on and find somebody else? I mean, we can't possibly
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quantify that, right? No, Oh, I would say really it's
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just with the quarterback. He is still, I would, I would
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argue the quarterback. I mean, I guess depending on the
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era of football that you're playing in general is, is the
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most important player you have on your team.
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There are important players on the team.
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But if you had, if you wanted to have the best of any position on
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your team, I would assume quarterback would be the 1 you
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would want to have the best of. That being said, I feel like,
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you know, there are times, you know, Joe Burrow and the
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Bengals, it's like, look, Joe Burrows got the goods.
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But clearly everyone can see this team is not where it needs
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to be. And so they're not going to put
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as much pressure on him to win. Because even then, if you win,
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maybe you make the playoffs maybe, and then you don't go
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anywhere 'cause you're playing teams that have a complete
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roster. So I think for the most part
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it's it's more of a matter of are you an impediment to the
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team? And I feel like sometimes the
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barometer for how a quarterback is doing is based on actual fans
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who watch the games, who keep tabs, usually the ones, and
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sometimes quarterbacks have more leeway than others.
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But the ones that are saying we need to get the pieces around
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this quarterback, those are usually the quarterbacks that
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are like doing their job and maybe a little bit more, but
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there's other pieces that just aren't there.
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That being said, only one quarterback can win the Super
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Bowl every year. And so no matter what, I mean,
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you get Peyton Manning, he won two Super Bowls and it took him
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20 years to do that. You got Drew Brees, he won one
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Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers, he went to, how
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many did he win? One.
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Just one. Just one.
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Yeah, one with just one Packers. Now The thing is, is the rest,
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those three guys in particular with a total of 4 Super Bowls,
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we're not looking at them as the, and those guys are in.
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I mean, they're all Hall of Farmers for sure.
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And they're all in talks for, you know, some of the greatest.
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Now, they're not the greatest, but some of the greatest,
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Definitely. Generationally.
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Nearly won four Super Bowls combined Out of how many
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seasons? 40 more.
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More, maybe. Probably more.
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Oh, more for sure. Yeah, between the four, between
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the four of them, More. But between the three, Manning,
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Breeze and Rogers, But you look at that and it's like, OK, we're
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looking at statistics now. When you're looking at those
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guys, you're looking at statistics, you're looking at
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MVPS, you're looking at what they did as far as just prolific
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play. So when it comes down to the
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Super Bowl, it's like, well, we give them a pass because
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statistically they did great. They did great.
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Statistically, OK, statistically leading to what?
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New meaning for individual play? No one cares about that.
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If you're a fan of a team, you want a Super Bowl.
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But anyway, I'm going to leave it right there because I feel
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like this. Is you are, I keep, I keep
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teeing up balls and you keep crushing them out of the park.
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And just like this one, statistically and Super Bowl
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wise, we have a quarterback here whose team is unwilling to
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commit to long term. And I don't think they're wrong
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for doing it. Jalen Hurts, quarterback for the
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current quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles.
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Some execs from the Eagles have come out and said on record,
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it's been talked about extensively and it's always been
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executive sources, right? So no one's naming names, no one
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saying who is saying it. But enough people, enough NFL
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insiders have talked about it to where it's like, OK, well, this
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must have some legitimacy to it. They've come out and said that
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they are not even thinking about talking about contract
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extensions with Jalen Hertz until he finishes this year.
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This year is his last year of guaranteed money.
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He is contracted through 28, I think through 20 through this
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season, next season and the season after, I believe is his
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full contract. But he's only guaranteed money
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through this year. I think the other two years are
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voidable years. And so if you are Jalen Hertz,
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who is Super Bowl winner, won't once been there twice.
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I think it's how that goes. And yet your team is still not
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willing to commit to you long term.
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I think he might be the only case I can remember where we've
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had this level of, I don't know about this guy.
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Even though he continues to take you continuously, takes you to
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the highest level, even when they don't win the division,
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he's taking you deep into the playoffs, if not all the way to
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the Super Bowl. Yeah, I, I think that.
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I mean, I think Jalen Hurts. He's not he's not that fantasy
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quarterback that's going to give you, you know, Lamar Jackson
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numbers, Cam Newton, rookie season numbers.
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He's he's going to win you games.
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And it was the same thing last season and the season before
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that, this season even more so, where it was just like, dude,
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it's like he's not even putting up starting quarterback numbers,
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you know, in fantasy, yet they're still winning.
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They're sneaking it out. They're tush pushing their way
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into wins, which I mean, really it's like, yeah, I mean, a
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regular season win is a regular season win.
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OK, gets you closer to the Super Bowl.
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But it's it's really like, is this strategy going to win you a
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Super Bowl? And I don't think, I don't think
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that was really the case. It was it was frustrating for
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every team that played them because they knew it was coming
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and they couldn't do anything to stop it.
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And Jalen Hurts didn't have to throw it as much.
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However, that being said, he's not throwing it as much.
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OK, well, AJ Brown's not getting the ball.
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You're creating an issue there. You know it is.
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It is creating a lot of issues. You got him upset, You got fans
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upset that it's not getting to him.
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If they do lose a game, even if it's a winning strategy to not
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be throwing it to him, you now get blamed and say, well, it's
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because you're not throwing it to A.J.
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Brown. So I see this is on in one
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sense, I see the Eagles as like, you know, hey, you can do what
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you want. If you think this is smart, if
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you think it's smart to to to escalate this drama with your
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franchise quarterback just being basically saying like, yeah,
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we're going to wait and see. We don't have that loyalty to
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you, but to to me, I see it as like, look, OK, if we're talking
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about winning games here, I'm winning you games.
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If, if you want me to go out and put on a show, if you want me to
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go out there and just throw for 400 yards a game, you know, 3
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touchdowns, 1 rushing touchdown. Like if that's what it takes,
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then I guess I'll do that even if I don't win games.
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But he's winning games. And that's that's the problem.
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I mean, I think even in in the playoffs, he's I think I saw a
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stat he's like 20 some touchdowns, one or two
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interceptions. Like he's playing very, very
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well. And so the question is though,
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is that because it's so unusual, is that just has he just been
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coasting off of a good offense? You know, is he actually just
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doing what it takes to win? You know, because I think it's
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not like we're used to good statistical quarterbacks or
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synonymous with winning quarterbacks, you know?
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And so if he's not putting up the statistics and he's winning,
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surely it can't be him. It must be something else.
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But the reality is he has been winning.
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So it's, I mean, it really just comes down to him and his
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organization. But I see this is like, look, do
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you want wins or do you want stats?
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Because I'm giving you wins. Yeah, I don't disagree with
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that. The one thing I do disagree with
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is the Joe Burrow year a couple years ago, who was statistically
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the best quarterback, right? Most passing year at most size
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down. Their team just had six wins.
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So it's good. Statistical quarterbacks don't
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always turn into team wins. That our defense was atrocious.
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The Eagles cannot make that claim.
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Like the Eagles can't say, well, we had a bad defense and when it
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came down to it and their Super Bowl against the Chiefs, that
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they won. The Chiefs did everything they
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could to stop Saquon Barkley and then Kellen Moore said, OK,
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fine, we have a quarterback, he can throw the ball.
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And so they did that. They threw the ball well and he
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threw the ball very well in that Super Bowl.
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It's kind of like the opposite of Josh Allen.
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And I'm going to get a lot of hate for that, I know, but he he
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doesn't do well in the regular season.
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I don't know if Hertz has look in here real quick.
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And Hertz has never thrown for 4000 yards in one season in one
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regular season. He's got a couple 600 yard
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rushing seasons, but mostly it's in the in the fours and below.
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And so he he doesn't formwell, because he doesn't need to.
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That's not the game plan in the regular season and then in in
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the playoffs when he has to. Not that every time he has to,
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when he has to, he steps up and he goes out and wins the Super
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Bowl. He goes out and wins playoff
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games when he needs to. It's not Hertz's fault that they
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went and brought in Saquon Barkley, that they went and
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brought in. I mean, they drafted Devonta
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Smith, they brought brought in A.J.
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Brown from Tennessee. So they brought in all these
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good people. And then you brought in the
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best, one of the best running backs in the league was one of
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the best offensive lines late. OK, well, let's just round the
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ball. That's really successful.
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That's consistently successful over the course of the entire
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football. Like a history of it.
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At one point it was illegal to throw a forward pass.
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And if it was an incomplete pass after it was not illegal
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anymore. If it was an incomplete pass,
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that was a turnover. That's how far back that goes.
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And so it's just one of these. Why are we hating on a guy who
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is doing a system, doing things in the system incredibly well
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and proven well with two years ago, he won the Super Bowl and
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and you can't say well sequel Berkeley because he didn't.
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Berkeley did not win that Super Bowl for him.
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Hertz put the team on his back when he had to made the throws
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he needed to make. So I think all that being said
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to to to gas up Jalen Hurts, I think the Eagles are incredibly
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justified with this. We're not doing anything with
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this yet. We want to see how he does this
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year. So last question here on this,
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we move to our next topic. Do you think this is a prove it
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year for Jalen Hurts even though he won the Super Bowl 2 years
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ago? Yeah, I I would say so.
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In fact, if I was him, I mean, again, and this is assuming I
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understand the actual circumstances here, I would go
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to the coach and the front office and be and and say, what
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do you expect of me? Do you want me to win games or
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are you expecting me to put up stats?
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Like I want to know what I need to do for you to consider this a
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success. You know, if we want to run the
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ball, fine. He just seems like a guy who's
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instead of out there, you know, just making a lot of noise
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saying I'm not getting my pass and you know, A.J.
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Brown, I'm not getting my touches.
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I'm not getting my touches because he made a good point.
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If I don't get my touches, if I don't get my catches, if I don't
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get my yards, if I don't get my touchdowns, come the next
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contract, I'm going to get screwed.
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I don't care if that's on our game plan.
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This is my career. This is my livelihood we're
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talking about. And honestly, Jalen Hurts seems
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like the opposite where he's like, I'm just doing whatever it
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takes to help this team win. I'm doing what they ask of me.
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And it seems like he's getting penalized for it.
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So on one hand, it's it's kind of it's kind of sad to see this,
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but if I was him, I would go up and say, OK, then let then let's
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find out, you know, what it is. What, what will, you know,
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success look like for you? And I hope that, you know,
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honestly, kind of I hope that he does well.
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And then, you know, maybe some other team offers him a, a
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better contract later. I don't know.
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I mean, I guess you can't really offer to him while he's still
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got, you know, a couple years left in in Philly.
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But you know, come the next contracts, like, hey, I'm going
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to remember this, you know, like you guys are sliding me here.
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But at the same time, it's like, dude, you still got three years.
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Calm down like. I I selfishly, I can't help but
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saying from the Rams point of view, right, you've got one
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Goodyear of Matt Stafford left. Maybe you can squeeze out the
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second one. I mean people already thought
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that this year was a squeeze out year or this last year.
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We just had because he started the season and a lot of people
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forget this. There was talks that Jimmy G was
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going to start the season because Stafford had to hurt
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back. And so he he obviously it didn't
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happen that way. Stafford played the whole season
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played very well. One MVP, not bragging or
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anything. No big deal.
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But then then we move on and now we're at that this year and it
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feels like the Rams are going full in on winning the Super
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Bowl this year. And I think if they do or or if
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they get really close, I think that this that Stafford does
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ride off into the sunset take many style where he wins the
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Super Bowl and it ended in post game interview cracks a
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Budweiser and says, all right, that's it for me.
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I'm retiring. You see y'all later.
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And now we can't stop saying peg money.
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He's everywhere on ESPN. But anyway, where I was going
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with this was this is we. This will be Jalen Hertz's fifth
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sixth year in a row. I think every single year he has
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had a different offensive coordinator, which which we
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talked about and you can see it with the Bears, right?
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You saw it with the Bears last year.
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That coach does actually matter. I was big in the what difference
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does a coach make? And then I had egg all over my
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face when Ben Johnson took the bears way deeper than they
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should have gone. And so I, I think it really
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matters. They've got Shawn Mannion,
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Oregon State legends, Shawn Mannion and is our offensive
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coordinator this year. And so we'll see what happens,
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but I, I'm, I'm really interested to see how it goes.
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And, and I where I was going with this whole Rams take is
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that it's possible that, hey, some veteran quarterbacks are
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going to be on the open market like we saw this year with, with
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Joe Flacco and Kirk Cousins. There were others.
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Two, it was on the open market for a while.
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I mean, the the Tyler Murray, these guys were and and most of
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these guys ended up being linked back to the Rams of like, well,
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maybe they have them sit for a year, but I think we'll be in
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the same cycle next year with all right, who is who is going
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to stay on their team. Teams are so quick to move on
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from their players who don't give you immediate success or in
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this case, even when they have given you recent success of we
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just won the Super Bowl. Yeah, but but you didn't play
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well your Super Bowl year and you didn't play well your
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following your Super Bowl year. And so this year you have to
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play well. You're not going to hurt him
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anymore. Let's not forget Peyton Manning
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got benched multiple times the year they won that Super Bowl
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for none other than Brock Osweiler.
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OK, so so expecting these guys now.
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Peyton Manning had like 1000 years under his belt and four
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neck surgeries cancel. It's different circumstances.
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I'm not saying that that Jalen Hurts is Peyton Manning, but I'm
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just trying to relate true fact with with maybe maybe we need to
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give some reality here, but I don't know.
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Moving on. We're kind of Segway topic and
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then we're going to do our actual topic here.
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So the draft is at the end of this month.
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I think the draft starts in 23 days or something like that,
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right? The no 23 days would be the
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30th. Is it 13 days would be the 20th.
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So 14 days. That's not right.
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It doesn't matter. It starts on the 23rd of April.
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And so we are. It's the 23rd, right?
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It's the 23rd, then it's yeah, it's like 16 days.
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Draft day. Pardon my Google search.
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Yeah, April 23rd crushed it 16. 16 days.
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Yeah, so 16 days until the the draft day and it came out this
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last weekend and maybe today, maybe earlier, Fernando Mendoza
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is not attending. So potential number one pick,
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you had a consensus #1 pick Fernando Mendoza.
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Everyone hasn't gone to the Raiders, even though the Raiders
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just signed Kirk Cousins specifically.
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Yeah, Raiders just had Kirk Cousins, but they're still
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consensus #1 pick overall is Fernando Mendoza.
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It has come out that he is not going to attend the NFL drafts.
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He will be with his family in Miami.
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It was easier for him to spend and more important for him to
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spend his time with his family in Miami than it was he and his
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family all the way to Pittsburgh.
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Actually, probably more convenient too.
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And so any thoughts on this? I mean, it's kind of a non
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topic, but just just something to talk about.
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Yeah. Yeah, no, I, I think, yeah, I,
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I, I mean, it's a topic, but it, it's at the same time it's a non
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topic. I'm like, this guy can do
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whatever he wants. In fact, anything I see this is
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a green flag. It's like, oh, he's, he's
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deciding to move away from the glitz and glamour of, you know,
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being in the green room and having all the cameras on him
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and instead decides to spend it with his family.
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You know, it's the last time he's going to be with them for a
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while, you know, before, you know, moving to Vegas.
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Also, just going back to what you said earlier, I think Kirk
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Cousins and Fernando Mendoza is going to be awesome.
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I already thought that they seem very similar, just at least in,
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in terms of their facial structure and they're kind of
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family life like they all, they both seem very family oriented.
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Vegas does not seem like a great fit for either of them.
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But I think as long as they have each other's back.
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I think I think it'd be a really great fit.
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I'm excited to see it. I hope we get a video.
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So NFL is going to send a whole production crew down to Miami to
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be there right in in 2007 when Joe Thomas was picked, he was
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fishing and he's like, I'm not doing this whole thing.
20:41
I'm going to go fishing. And he did.
20:42
And the NFL sent a thing out and they were like, you can record
20:45
me, but you're not coming on my boat.
20:46
I don't actually know if they were on the boat or not.
20:48
But Joe Thomas's draft day was spent fishing on the boat.
20:52
And so Fernando Mendoza just doing it at his house.
20:54
Nothing will be the George Pickens at his house photo with
20:57
him. Where in the Bon Quava, the
20:59
sheisty, if you will. I mean, nothing will ever beat
21:01
that. So that and who is it?
21:05
No Nikola Jokic who got drafted in the middle of a Taco Bell
21:09
commercial. Just some some notable wonderful
21:12
draft moments by some some all time players here.
21:16
Not to Fernando Mendoza is an all time player, but you know
21:18
who knows one day. OK, moving on.
21:20
So we've got some more prospects to talk about because again, the
21:23
draft is in 16 days notable here.
21:25
Avery, just in case because you did miss it, Lee Hunter notable
21:30
Lee Hunter Hager right here. Lee Hunter has moved down almost
21:33
out of the top 100. I have not checked the recent
21:36
rankings, but he was 808386 something last time we talked
21:40
about it, so I feel pretty justified and continuously
21:43
moving him down the list. So that was all I just wanted to
21:46
get my Lee hunter hate and I don't see a little room for Lee
21:49
hunter hate this week. So so there's that all right let
21:54
me figure out how to share my screen.
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Our first guy up Hold on. Let me, I'm new to this whole
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hosting thing. All right, Can you see this?
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OK, I. Can.
22:05
This is clutch, right? So our first guy up Colton Hood,
22:09
cornerback out of Tennessee, and for those who have done any
22:12
amount of research on any Tennessee corner corners and you
22:15
see somebody doing well on the field, it's Colton Hood.
22:17
If you see somebody not on the field, that's German McCoy.
22:21
So this is the guy from Tennessee that actually played
22:24
all season and is still rated below the other guy who's been
22:28
out for 16 months with an ACL tear every Thoughts on Colton
22:32
Hood? Well, I, I think he's great.
22:34
I guess the only thing really that I noticed is just his
22:36
hands, Just, I think he might be getting a little too overzealous
22:41
with his hands, getting called for penalties and stuff.
22:44
I think besides that, I think he's very well-rounded.
22:47
I think he's just solid. I think it really just comes
22:51
down to just those little things.
22:52
Hopefully coaching can, you know, kind of get that out or at
22:55
least hide it well enough from the refs.
23:00
Just gets really handsy. But again, I think he's very
23:03
sharp. He reacts quickly to the ball.
23:05
Then yeah, unlike McCoy, he's actually been out there proving
23:08
it so. Yeah, I agree.
23:10
Incredibly aggressive jam corner, 6 foot tall, 193 lbs.
23:14
He's had a good frame, he's got elite closing speed, he's A-44
23:17
speed kind of guy and he will only continue to improve.
23:19
He only started one. He's only got one year of
23:23
starting experience in college. He sat behind Travis Hunter at
23:27
Colorado, transferred to Tennessee after sitting out of
23:30
the year before transferring to Colorado.
23:32
A red shirt in the year. Excuse me?
23:34
My only issue with him is that his best coverage comes in 10
23:37
yards, right where you can get your hands on the guy and you
23:40
can redirect them and you can really be on and like glue.
23:44
In the NFL, that drops down to 5 yards.
23:46
It's 5 yards in college, but they play.
23:47
A softer thing with the NFL is that it is a receiver's game and
23:51
so receivers are going to get that call and so he's going to
23:55
have to tone down his aggressive playstyle, which is not going to
23:58
benefit him at all. He had a significant amount of
24:01
penalties last year because of his aggressive playstyle, and
24:05
that's only going to get worse as he moves in the NFL because
24:08
they call it so tight. And so corners have the hardest
24:11
job in the game behind quarterbacks personally to where
24:15
they have to do everything the offense is doing as they're
24:18
doing it without knowing what they're doing.
24:20
But they also can't make any contact.
24:22
He does get his head around well, receiver in high school.
24:25
And so he high points the ball really well and gets up to the
24:28
5050 balls and wins a lot of them because of his aggressive
24:31
play style. I just think that he's going to
24:34
have to really work on that in the NFL because of how tight
24:38
they call these receiver corner matchups.
24:42
Yeah, it's where there's only two of us.
24:44
I'm waiting for a third opinion here.
24:45
Yeah, Joel, Yeah. Joel, what you have to say?
24:49
All right, Cool. Glad you're here.
24:50
Cool. I'm enjoying the beach in
24:51
Southern California. Yeah, that is actually where
24:54
he's at. That's what he sounds like too.
24:57
That's exactly what he sounds like.
24:59
OK, so our next guy here is Casey Concepcion, wide receiver,
25:03
Texas A&M Avery. I mean, this guy, I mean, he
25:06
started at NC State and I remember seeing him play.
25:09
The thing is, I mean, he's got he's one of those shifty dudes.
25:12
I'm curious to see how they'll use him in the NFLI.
25:16
Feel like in college, both the Texas A&M, but it's more
25:19
specifically at NC State when he was a tough guy to guard.
25:22
But The thing is, most of his touches were behind the line of
25:26
scrimmage, like plays directly set up for him.
25:29
And The thing is, I mean, defenses knew it was coming and
25:32
he's still getting around them. So I'm, I'm very curious to see,
25:37
I feel like he could really find his niche if the right team
25:40
picks him. That being said, I mean, I don't
25:44
know. It's the reason I'm optimistic
25:47
is because defenses knew it was coming and they still couldn't
25:52
stop him. I think all I saw was just some,
25:54
there's something Joel wrote it in here.
25:58
This is the drops more specifically, and maybe it was
26:02
just the drops where it's like he's not necessarily a go out
26:08
and you know, in traffic, catch these balls to get the ball and
26:12
then on a dime, you know, he's off to the races.
26:15
So I would just, I'd be really curious to see how teams utilize
26:19
this guy. Like you said, there's NC State
26:21
1st and went to Texas A and M3 years starter, I think 2:00 at
26:24
NC State wanted Texas A&M and then all he did in those three
26:28
years was lead the team and growth receptions and yards
26:31
every single year. Even his freshman year where he
26:34
did did not even start all the games.
26:35
He played in all the games but he did not start them and so
26:39
quickly became a starter at NC State and moved on to to bigger
26:42
and better pastures. Last year he converted 10 of 15
26:45
contested catches, which is great except for the fact that
26:48
when you watch his film, he'll have wide open slant routes over
26:51
the middle field in the end zone and it's almost like the moment
26:54
it's too big for him. And like you said, he just
26:55
dropped the ball uncontested catch.
26:58
I noticed a lot of times that he was jumping like a slight round,
27:02
creating a right in the hands and he would jump to catch it.
27:05
And that's a real middle school stuff that you got to stop
27:07
doing. But he finds the open zone,
27:09
finds the hole in the zone very well.
27:12
He only plays at 1 speed, which normally is a very good thing.
27:16
As a receiver, you do want to change that speed up every once
27:19
in a while. It's hard to double move when
27:21
you don't have a slow down and speed back up.
27:24
He doesn't have top end speed, so he just plays all out all the
27:28
time. He's got a compact build, which
27:30
limits his catch radius with physical corners around, but he
27:33
does bring a physical edge that Bay lays his side and allows him
27:37
to to get the ball when he needs to.
27:40
Again, 10 to 15 contested catch opportunity wins this last
27:43
season. So I I like I like what he's got
27:47
going on a lot. We've had this is where our 6th,
27:49
5th, something like that wide receiver.
27:51
We've talked about a lot of a lot of really good day one early
27:56
day 2 wide receivers in the draft this year.
27:59
It's it's a good year to need a receiver.
28:01
It's a bad year to need a corner.
28:04
So yeah, again, also a proven return specialist here.
28:09
We've got written down He's got I think he had two point return
28:13
touchdowns this last season, which two in one season is
28:16
sounds like a little bit two in the season is actually quite a
28:18
bit for point returns. And so he if you bring him in
28:22
and you don't have room as a receiver in your line up, he can
28:25
play special teams, kick return, point return, because again,
28:28
he's only got 1 speak. When he gets the ball, he just
28:30
runs full out. It may not be as fast as as
28:33
everybody else, but it is all out every single time.
28:36
It's shifty, very shifty. Anything else?
28:42
All right, let's move on to our next guy.
28:44
We're going to chase this one down with Chase Besantes.
28:48
Besantes. I believe.
28:51
You know what? I usually start.
28:53
Yeah, I usually start with offensive lineman.
28:55
I'd like it to be noted this is our second offensive guard,
28:59
right? We talked about one guard so
29:01
far. This is our.
29:02
Secondly. Yes, we have also only talked
29:06
well Emmanuel pregnant. No.
29:10
Oh yeah, pregnant. Yep.
29:12
Yeah, pregnant from Oregon. He gets honored by mentioned.
29:14
He was talked about on the show. Your cousin Gavin did mention
29:18
him, Seahawks state, and he would pick 31.
29:21
I don't hate that. He is actually third on most
29:24
people's guard lists overall. Chase Bazante started as a
29:28
tackle and they moved him inside to guard, which I think was an
29:31
incredibly wise choice. I would like to talk about the
29:34
bad and then the good for bad first, good second and then to
29:37
summarize at the very end here, Problem is he's got a bit of
29:39
shorter arms. His hands arrived late and with
29:42
shorter arms, that's really that's really bad.
29:44
He is not very technically refined for injury rushers.
29:47
He's got his hips open too early in past sets he expose exposing
29:52
a softer inside shoulder. He's 6 foot 5 and his pad level
29:56
stands way too tall. Often his first contact is is
29:59
very inconsistent and often times too high.
30:01
And when you're getting these different tackles, even
30:04
linebackers who are coming in hot and heavy ride at the snap.
30:07
If your pad level is too high, you're just going to get
30:09
bullied. Additionally, the last three
30:11
seasons he had 19 total penalties, which when you're
30:14
talking 5 and 10 yard penalties, especially if they're holding
30:17
penalties, those are drive killers.
30:18
That's the very common thing that people say.
30:20
And so if you're getting holding penalties because you're getting
30:22
beat now you're first and ten goes to 1st and 20 and it's
30:25
like, all right, well, we're behind the we're way behind the
30:28
sticks and we have to play a lot of makeup.
30:30
Now the good here. He has an incredible short area
30:33
quickness and and and very fast foot speed for interior lineman,
30:37
which is why they moved him from tackle in the guard.
30:40
He can get underneath the fenders to despite his height to
30:44
win leverage early. He just does he does it
30:46
inconsistently. He again he can't.
30:48
He has a balanced path protection set and can mirror
30:51
tackle as well, good core strength and he has a good lower
30:55
center of gravity when he needs to.
30:57
But mostly he's an effective puller and move blocker.
30:59
That's his biggest thing is that he's better in the run game
31:01
because he he's so fast and athletic that he's he's
31:05
incredibly effective in the run game where he's pulling and
31:08
moving out and setting an edge on the outside for the run to
31:11
open up. He stays active and attentive,
31:14
which when you're a pulling guard and you get to your end
31:17
and there's nobody there, it's hard to OK, well, I guess job
31:20
done, but he stays actively intensive.
31:23
And then so summary here is a team who drafts Bazan says he
31:27
who can compete for a starting spot right out of the gate.
31:30
His combine confirmed his athleticism.
31:32
People questioned it when he was at the combine.
31:34
He confirmed it, which that has him shot up the draft boards a
31:38
bit. His technique needs significant
31:40
refinement. His hand timing needs a lot of
31:42
work and leverage, consistency, but the physical tools and
31:45
competitive makeup are there. Yeah, he fits.
31:47
He fits best in the system that values movement and physicality
31:50
over just pure anchor strength because he's going to be in past
31:52
that's and he didn't need help here, have to shift, shift pass
31:56
walking to his side more often than not.
31:58
I didn't have a lot of room there, but anything to add?
32:01
No, I, I thought he was from the the tape I saw.
32:04
I, I, I think just that the first point in the strengths
32:08
that the active feet that allow him to mirror movement.
32:12
I thought he did a really, really good job.
32:14
I mean, I know he's got, you know, his physicals, you know,
32:18
he's got short arms for someone of his size.
32:21
That being said, I saw whether that's technique or talent, his
32:26
ability to when he maybe gets overpowered to then adjust and
32:31
basically neutralize the pass rusher, the run, just the edge I
32:37
think is really good. I, from what I saw, he seemed
32:41
like a solid guard. I mean, I and, and to be fair,
32:44
I'm not too familiar or experienced with some of these
32:49
physical traits like hand size, arm length and how that, you
32:53
know, equates to, you know, NFL success.
32:55
I hear that, you know, it is very important and I believe it.
32:58
But from what I saw, he seemed like a solid guard.
33:02
And and what I mean by that is not a liability, which is
33:06
really, I mean, to me, I mean, yeah, he had one sack allowed.
33:10
I guess the penalties do worry me a little bit.
33:12
That being said, I thought he looked solid and I'm not a great
33:16
evaluator of these interior alignment.
33:19
When comparing him to the only other guard we've talked about,
33:24
Van Gogh wanna. I think I crashed that.
33:27
I think I truly, I said that multiple times last week and
33:30
butchered every time. I actually think I got that one.
33:33
That's my red flag, right? Like I think I spoke well,
33:37
chances are I butchered that. I'm not going to try again.
33:40
The Penn State Guard when comparing the two of them, it is
33:44
there is a pretty large gap. Like you've got a mid round, mid
33:48
first round guy. Well, he's he's well above he's
33:52
when you drafted well below his talent level, then go on a he is
33:57
he is like truly top ten talent level and just a value of guard
34:02
is not that high, especially this year.
34:04
People team excuse me, teams value tackles way higher and so
34:08
did did they they gap between the two I think is almost as
34:11
large as the gap between the two the first two Titans and I think
34:15
it's it's not as big, but it's almost as big.
34:17
We've really talked about 1 running back so far in all of
34:21
our players and so obviously the gap there is pretty large.
34:24
I think that the chase here, I, I, he's going to be great.
34:29
He's going to be an absolute solid piece.
34:30
Like I said, he couldn't. He will compete for a starting
34:33
job right from training camp, right after he gets drafted.
34:36
He's going to show up, He's going to do the work.
34:38
There's just a lot of refinement that needs to happen to be
34:41
consistently A consistently solid piece of the next level.
34:45
Because the what you don't want is your I think it's Sam.
34:49
Nope. What is it, Bradford, Whatever
34:52
the Bradford guy from Seattle is, is that there are literal
34:57
web page, not web pages, but Facebook pages, profiles and
35:00
Instagram profiles made just to talk how bad this guy is at at
35:05
at at pass blocking. And that's the thing with Guard
35:08
is they focus so much on run blocking that their past
35:12
blocking often suffers because they want them to pull them.
35:14
They want them to do this, they want them to do that.
35:16
And so it's, well, I'm going to work on all this and then this
35:18
is going to be a huge gap in my knowledge.
35:22
And, and so having, having one guy you can do both is
35:25
incredibly rare. And I, I think Chase has a good
35:29
enough forecasting and has shown improvement every single year.
35:33
And so I, I think he, he will get there.
35:35
It's just he's not there currently.
35:39
OK, let's talk about our next guy, Caleb Banks, defensive
35:44
tackle, Florida. Hey, Ryan, you start again.
35:49
Yeah, I to me, I mean, I mean, well, I don't even think it's
35:53
debatable. This guy has some of the
35:56
craziest, what do you call it? Measures measurables of anybody.
36:02
I mean, I, I think in the combine he was like 95th
36:05
percentile at least in like every single category.
36:09
Dude just has troubles with the fundamentals, like just making
36:12
those tackles. And so it's just interesting
36:15
that like, I mean, it's basically his pro day in the
36:19
combine that is, that is keeping him this high up.
36:22
But I, I, I don't know if again, not a not an NF, I'm not a
36:27
trainer. I don't know how easy it is.
36:30
How how I guess coachable it is to be able to teach a player at
36:37
this point in time these skill sets because he's got all the
36:41
tools. And I feel like most of these
36:43
guys, whether it's defensive tackles or lineman, it just
36:46
seems like the guys with the shorter arms have the mental
36:50
abilities and the guys with the longer arms don't have those
36:54
mental abilities. And it's just like Kate can't,
36:56
well, you can't change the physical, but can you change the
36:59
mental? You know this too many arm
37:02
tackles, poor finishing angles right there, fatigues easily
37:06
sees effectiveness decline, plays way too tall with high pad
37:10
level. This to me just sounds like it
37:13
just sounds like I'm watching the blind side, but on the other
37:16
side of the line. Just like, hey, this guy who's
37:18
got all the tools, like somebody, some white woman needs
37:22
to come over and show him how to how to play the position.
37:26
Did you get in the? Car wreck and get his hand over
37:28
really fast. Yeah.
37:30
That being said, you know, if you've got a a defensive line
37:34
that's already got some scary guys on it, I'll bet this guy
37:37
would would be a great fit there.
37:39
It's just a matter of, you know, can you get him ready?
37:42
You know, I, I don't know if I would want to rely on this guy,
37:45
but having another, you know, a 1-2 punch with him I think would
37:49
be sweet. Yeah, I I don't disagree.
37:52
I would like to add, he was a four year player in college.
37:56
He was at Louisville for a year and transferred to Florida in
37:59
23, played in Florida 2324 and then was played 25.
38:04
But he had a foot injury that required surgery.
38:07
And so I've got I've got 2 words here that are going to scare you
38:09
as a as a basketball fan. Greg Oden, right, all the
38:15
potential in the world. I mean, he's Kayla Banks is not
38:18
being rated near as high, but incredibly athletic.
38:21
Understands maybe I don't know specifically, but I think
38:25
understands the concept of football just doesn't know how
38:27
to play defensive line. And when you are 6 foot six, 330
38:32
lbs. If you're already having foot
38:35
surgery at age 23, your power as a as a offensive and defensive
38:42
lineman, your power is driven through your feet.
38:46
You need your feet to be the anchor between you and the
38:49
ground. Obviously that is a that is a no
38:51
doubt statement, but it is it is more so with offensive and
38:55
defensive line because not only like a receiver, you're moving
38:58
yourself as a as a corner, you're moving yourself as an
39:01
offensive defensive line, in this case defensive tackle.
39:04
You are trying to move yourself and another 300 plus pound human
39:10
through your feet. And if you're already having
39:13
foot surgery, that is a huge red flag to me.
39:17
The size matters. Pardon me.
39:21
The, the, the measurables here matter when you're talking about
39:27
foot surgery and ankle surgery and knee surgery when you are
39:30
moving other humans like this. And so I, like you said you
39:36
really like this thing says here.
39:37
He's incredibly athletic. He just has no idea how to play
39:40
defensive line. He gets destroyed by double
39:42
teams. He plays way too tall.
39:44
His technique is not good. He brings raw power and raw
39:49
athleticism as we talked about, with heavy hands and a hot motor
39:53
that doesn't necessarily stop, which is not always a good
39:57
thing. But again, he played four years
39:59
in college. He did not.
40:01
One year he had surgery. So we'll call it 3 and a third
40:04
years in college and it just never got better.
40:07
He never improved. And at what point at Florida and
40:10
the SEC at it was those defensive line coaches down
40:13
there? I don't know who is defensive
40:15
tackle coach doing the line coach defensive coordinator was.
40:18
Down there in Florida, but at some point you would assume
40:21
after two full years there you would see his technique and his
40:25
his abilities improve and just didn't happen.
40:28
And so those are all huge red flags thing.
40:29
I don't put him, I don't put him.
40:32
I mean he's kind of like the opposite of Lee Hunter, right?
40:35
Lee Hunter is very technically sound, very unathletic here
40:39
we've got very athletic, very not technically sound.
40:43
And so it is a weird how you rank this.
40:47
And the problem is, is you don't drink, you don't draft a guy
40:50
like this in day 2. This is a day three guy and
40:53
you're drafting on hopes and dreams where you're spending a
40:55
fifth, sixth round pick. And so I like Kayla Banks a lot.
40:58
I I just would not, he's going to go near the bottom of our top
41:02
50, unfortunately, when we eventually get around to ranking
41:05
those guys. OK, I think we've got time for
41:08
one more guy before I have to take off because again, yeah,
41:12
change the slice. Next guy up is Eli Stowers.
41:17
Stowers Stowers, Who thought this was the name I trip up on?
41:21
This is our second tight end we're talking about.
41:23
So we reached our second garden, our second tight end today.
41:27
I this is this is the guy that I think you know, is going to be
41:31
directly compared to Kenyan Sadiq, kind of the same way that
41:35
Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland will be seen for the
41:38
next, you know, basically their whole careers.
41:40
Honestly, this guy isn't even a real tight end.
41:44
First of all, he doesn't block like a tight end.
41:48
He played quarterback a couple years ago.
41:50
He basically has just been like, I don't know if he was Diego
41:53
Pavia's roommate, but basically travelled around with him,
41:57
played at New Mexico, New Mexico State, whatever it was, and then
42:00
the Vanderbilt played quarterback, switched to tight
42:02
end. He doesn't have the ability to
42:06
play tight end at the highest level.
42:08
I think it's great to see how well he has done.
42:10
This dude reminds me of like Marcus Colston.
42:12
This. This dude is a big slot
42:15
receiver. That being said, I think he's
42:17
really good. I think he's really good as that
42:20
receiver. If you put him in your scheme
42:22
and you're expecting him to block, I don't think you're
42:24
going to be very happy. But I mean, I think he had.
42:27
Didn't Stowers have the highest vertical leap next to Sadiq?
42:33
So they go in alphabetical order.
42:36
Yeah, Sadiq jumped and set the record and I believe Next up was
42:40
Stowers and jumped and broke Sadiq's record.
42:44
That's a Sadiq for like 2 minutes or something like that.
42:47
That's funny. But yeah, I, I think that both
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of these guys, I mean, I think they're both special stowers
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though. I, he is a tight end, I guess,
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but I would really consider using him as a big slot
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receiver. I mean, again, maybe he can
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develop, maybe, you know, somebody's got, you know,
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something in mind for how they can utilize him a little bit
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better. But I do think that it's, I
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always think it's interesting when, you know, a quarterback
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switches positions to anything. Honestly, it just shows how much
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of an athlete that person is. I think honestly, just in
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general as a receiver, he is really good.
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It might be just because he was playing tight end that he was
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able to get, you know, a little more open.
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Maybe he got a little more disrespected.
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I'd like to believe that SEC defenses and, you know, scouts,
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you know, just game planning for him, you know, knew what he was
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capable of but still wasn't able to stop himself.
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I still like Sadiq as the top tight end and honestly the
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overall better player, but I think Stowers is right there.
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I agree with everything you said.
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He is too small for a tight end, too big for a receiver.
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Personally he should cut about 20 lbs or so, maybe 1015 lbs and
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and play slot. That way he can gain his speed
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because in the NFL it's not going to work the way they get
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it. At Bangor Belt he was only on
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the field as a blocker for 127 of 307 rushing plays and that
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just doesn't work to stand in the NFL roster as A tag end.
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Now he did miss one game and so they had a rushing attempts
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where he was He didn't play that game and so so the stats are
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kind of off a little bit. Also one thing to note here is
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that he plays slower than the combine tape shows.
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He ran really fast, but he does not play that fast on the field.
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And so something to something to note for I think slot fits him
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very well for that reason. Again, he's not going to be your
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main guy. He's not going to be your stand
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out, but he will be a a good key fit guy at six foot four.
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He has an incredible catch radius radius, excuse me, and I
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think that he's going to be a wonderful player.
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He just kind of needs to pick and and personally he should.
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It may not be easier to drop the weight and put weight on, but
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he's going to have to put on about 30 or so pounds of not fat
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but muscle to to be an effective blocking tide in and also
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receiving. Or just drop 1510 to 15 lbs.
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Again, neither are easy, but with the money the NFL teams
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have in their nutrition and things like that, they will get
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it figured out. Somebody will take him probably
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late day 2 and probably draft him as a receiver and then just
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say this is what we're going to do.
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And that's probably going to be the phone calls because they're
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they're going to go to draft him.
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Hey, are you willing to play receiver for it's yes or no?
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OK, we're going to draft you then or I I'd rather play Titan.
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OK, we're moving on. So I I think he'll have to make
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the decision very quickly on draft days, but yeah, here we
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are. Here we are.
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Sweet Avery, anything to add? No, no Sir.
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OK, it's glad to have you back. I believe next week I wish to
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stop recording. I wanted to stop sharing.
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There we go. That would have been bad.
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Next week I think we got a full barn.
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I think all three of us are here next week, so that should be
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good. Get the boys back together.
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We've had two guys conveniently steal 6 balls every single week,
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so we don't need to talk about the house and the wise, but
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yeah, that that's all for today. Thank you for joining us this
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week on three Guys 6 balls and we'll see you guys next time.
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Bye now, y'all. Also, Mark Davis and Sarah Kyle
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still sucks.