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The Late Debate | 7 May · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the late Base.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 4: I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storra and Caleb Bond.
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  Speaker 3: Coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 4: A woman taken to court for feeding her neighbor's cat. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: in Switzerland, that's a crime. We'll explain why a little later.
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  Speaker 4: Plus when we look at tomorrow's headlines, the Greens searching
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  Speaker 4: for a new leader after Adam Bant was ejected from
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  Speaker 4: Parliament by voters, and the New South Wales Police looking
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  Speaker 4: for a new commissioner after the sudden resignation of Karen Wheb.
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  Speaker 4: We'll get to that shortly, but we're starting tonight with
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  Speaker 4: artificial intelligence, which is developing at such an astonishingly fast
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  Speaker 4: rate it poses a threat to the survival of humanity.
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  Speaker 4: That's the opinion of an American billionaire, Paul Tudor Jones,
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  Speaker 4: after he met privately with forty leaders. He says household
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  Speaker 4: names we would all recognize in politics, finance, science, and tech.
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  Speaker 4: He says, these leaders all agreed that AI is set
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  Speaker 4: to transform things like education and healthcare, so that's good.
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  Speaker 4: But on the flip side, he said, all of these
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  Speaker 4: leaders who we would all know if we knew their
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  Speaker 4: names agreed AI could easily be turned against humanity.
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  Speaker 3: Here's some of what he had to say.
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  Speaker 1: AI clearly poses an imminent threat, security threat, imminent in
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  Speaker 1: our lifetimes to humanity. And they said the competitive dynamic
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  Speaker 1: is so intense among the companies and then geopolitically between
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  Speaker 1: Russia and China, that there's no agency, no ability to
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  Speaker 1: stop and say maybe we should think about what actually
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  Speaker 1: we're creating and building here and so. And the final
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  Speaker 1: question is, well, what are you doing about He said, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm buying one hundred acre is in the Midwest. I'm
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  Speaker 1: getting cattle and chickens, and I'm laying in provisions.
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  Speaker 2: For real, for real, for real.
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  Speaker 1: And that was obviously a little disconcerting. And then he
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  Speaker 1: went on to say, I think it's going to take
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  Speaker 1: an accident where fifty to one hundred million people die
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  Speaker 1: to make the world take the thread of this really
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  Speaker 1: seriously now.
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  Speaker 4: As if that's not alarming enough, Juda Jones went on
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  Speaker 4: to say that these forty leaders in politics, finance, science,
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  Speaker 4: and DAI had a breakout session where they were presented
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  Speaker 4: with a series of propositions and asked whether they agreed
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  Speaker 4: or disagreed.
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  Speaker 3: Have a listened to what happened.
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  Speaker 1: One of the propositions was, there's a ten percent chance
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  Speaker 1: in the next twenty years that AI will kill fifty
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  Speaker 1: percent of humanity. So there's a ten percent chance that
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  Speaker 1: AI will kill fifty percent of humanity in the next
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  Speaker 1: twenty years. All four modelers we're on the agree side
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  Speaker 1: of that, All four of the leading developers of the
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  Speaker 1: AAR models, we're on that side.
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  Speaker 4: What's really alarming about this, Calebin Lizz is this isn't
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  Speaker 4: some crank from left field. This is a very well
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  Speaker 4: respected businessman who has strong contacts in the key aspects
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  Speaker 4: of American society and culture, saying this is what they're
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  Speaker 4: all thinking.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, and we've heard this from Elon Musk himself. He's
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  Speaker 5: right at the forefront of theirs. He's the brain chips guy.
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  Speaker 5: He's a total He's a very passionate transhumanist, always has been,
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  Speaker 5: has never tried to hide that.
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  Speaker 6: We know that he's working on these humanoids.
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  Speaker 5: And he's very excited about pumping thousands of them out.
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  Speaker 5: We've shown you that story before here he was talking. Recently,
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  Speaker 5: also said this on Joe Rogan's podcast, the most watched
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  Speaker 5: listen to podcast in the world.
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  Speaker 6: But here he is talking.
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  Speaker 5: At a second conference saying something that's alarmingly similar to
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  Speaker 5: what you just heard.
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  Speaker 4: What's the optimistic case for abundance, no shortage of business
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  Speaker 4: services for anyone on Earth.
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  Speaker 6: It's sort of ten twenty percent probability of something terrible.
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  Speaker 5: Happening, tended to probability of what happening something terrible, which
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  Speaker 5: is like how bad it is, extinction, annihilation or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: Says it's so carefully it's easy to relate to it
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  Speaker 5: like that when you've got the capacity to build bunkers,
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  Speaker 5: as many of these uber uber rich guys have, like
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  Speaker 5: Zuckerberg openly talks about bunkers that he's built.
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  Speaker 6: The problem with this is that it's an arms race.
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  Speaker 5: And as we'll this guy discussed, the countries are in
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  Speaker 5: such stiff competition with each other trying to be the
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  Speaker 5: first to reduce AGI artificial general intelligence.
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  Speaker 6: And we're told that someone one of.
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  Speaker 5: These companies is going to crack that by the end
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  Speaker 5: of this year.
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  Speaker 6: It's roughly six months away. We're told.
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  Speaker 5: The problem with inventing AGI is that give that thing
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  Speaker 5: ten minutes and itself will create ASI, artificial super intelligence.
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  Speaker 5: And once you have something with the IQ of a million.
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  Speaker 6: That's what we're talking about. Now.
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  Speaker 5: It will not need human input to evolve anymore. It
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  Speaker 5: can teach itself things. It can learn whatever it wants.
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  Speaker 5: It's like imagining that an ant created you, and now
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  Speaker 5: that ant is trying to tell you what to do.
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  Speaker 6: Why on Earth would you listen to it. You don't
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  Speaker 6: need that thing anymore.
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  Speaker 5: You are ten billion times smarter than any human being
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  Speaker 5: on the planet. And what a lot of these tech
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  Speaker 5: guys are saying. I've seen so many clips of them
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  Speaker 5: doing this, and it's really funny to see these tech
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  Speaker 5: nerds talk quite hysterically, like it sounds like, oh, you
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  Speaker 5: guys nutcases, but they're the ones who would know they
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  Speaker 5: this is exactly what they're saying. They're like, the logical
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  Speaker 5: conclusion is that this thing will decide you guys are.
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  Speaker 6: Redundant, what do we need you for?
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  Speaker 5: And will seek to eliminate large sways of the population.
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  Speaker 5: It sounds hysterical, but when you think it through, it
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  Speaker 5: also makes sense because there's nothing this thing can't do.
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  Speaker 5: There's no one it can't control. It knows your desires,
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  Speaker 5: It can use deep fakes. If this thing wants the
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  Speaker 5: nuclear codes. You're not going to be able to stop
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  Speaker 5: it from getting whatever at once. It will be able
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  Speaker 5: to destroy infrastructure, it will be able to do absolutely
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  Speaker 5: whatever it wants. And that seems to be something that
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  Speaker 5: they're openly admitting Kler.
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  Speaker 6: And yet at the same time, nobody's really doing.
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  Speaker 5: Anything about it except for building bunkers.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone in Tick knows it, and everyone who's worked in
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  Speaker 2: the sector knows it clear o. Many of you will
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  Speaker 2: know as a regular on Sky went to a symposium
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  Speaker 2: in Sydney last week about AI and they were all
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  Speaker 2: saying exactly the same thing that you know. We're talking
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  Speaker 2: by the end of the decade, this stuff will be
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  Speaker 2: so powerful that you cannot that the people who work
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  Speaker 2: in the industry cannot even fathom exactly how powerful this
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  Speaker 2: stuff will be by the end of the decade, that's
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  Speaker 2: within five years, this stuff, and that it is a
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  Speaker 2: serious danger. It poses a serious danger to the human race,
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  Speaker 2: to humanity. And the most bizarre thing is that we've
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  Speaker 2: built it. We have done this to ourselves. And I
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  Speaker 2: mean you mentioned Elon Musk two years ago, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: two years and a month ago. It was April two
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  Speaker 2: years ago, twenty twenty three. He and a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: other tech bosses and engineers from Meta and Google and
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  Speaker 2: Microsoft and whatever signed an open letter. Steve Wozniak, one
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  Speaker 2: of the founders of Apple, signed an open letter saying
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  Speaker 2: we need to have a least a six month pause
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  Speaker 2: on the development of AI technology beyond what was then
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  Speaker 2: GPT for because it is moving too fast and we
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  Speaker 2: haven't had any time to regulate it or to seriously
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  Speaker 2: discuss the effects of this and what it's going to
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  Speaker 2: look like at the end, and that didn't happen, and
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  Speaker 2: we are fast hurtling towards the world where we could
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  Speaker 2: be in serious trouble. And because we talked last night
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  Speaker 2: as well about what it means just at a normal
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  Speaker 2: human level, taking away your jobs and that sort of
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  Speaker 2: thing we talked last night about. For the first time
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  Speaker 2: in the US, they've now got a driverless truck driving
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  Speaker 2: around in the US in Texas, has got no one
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  Speaker 2: on board whatsoever. So you follow that to its logical conclusion,
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  Speaker 2: you get rid of trackees. Well what are they all
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  Speaker 2: going to do? And law firms are now using AI
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  Speaker 2: as well. One of the largest law firms in Australia,
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  Speaker 2: Minter Ellison, is using AI when it's going through discovery
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  Speaker 2: in court cases now, so they're using AI to just
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  Speaker 2: you know, way through vast waves of documents to find
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  Speaker 2: evidence that might be useful in court. I know someone
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  Speaker 2: who runs a number of very successful businesses and he
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  Speaker 2: uses AI for basic legal advice as well, just you know,
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  Speaker 2: ordinary stuff that's sort of beyond his knowledge but doesn't
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  Speaker 2: require specialist advice. He'll go and ask chat GPT and
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  Speaker 2: it comes back with the correct answer. This is where
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  Speaker 2: we're going. So, of course, in the case of the
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  Speaker 2: law firm, it means they have to hire far fewer
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  Speaker 2: graduates straight out of UNI who do this sort of
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  Speaker 2: you know, low level kicking sort of jobs before they
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  Speaker 2: work their way up. So if you don't have the
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  Speaker 2: kids coming through doing the low level stuff for the
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  Speaker 2: higher up lawyers, then who eventually becomes the higher up lawyers,
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  Speaker 2: so on and so forth. So if AI, basically, if
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  Speaker 2: AI doesn't take your job, it'll take your life. So
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  Speaker 2: it probably doesn't matter anyway, which is the worst outcome.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the law firm, if they're using graduates to sort
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  Speaker 4: through documents, they can go through twenty to twenty five
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  Speaker 4: documents an hour compared to the AI program, which can
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  Speaker 4: sort through three and a half thousand documents an hour
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  Speaker 4: and probably with greater accuracy. All bad news, though if
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  Speaker 4: you've ever paid legal fees, this is fantastic.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure they'll still fudge those numbers. They'll probably use
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  Speaker 5: AI but not tell anyone. It's like the fact that
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  Speaker 5: this thing could be out of hack into anything.
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  Speaker 6: We talk about hackers.
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  Speaker 5: This is going to be the most incredible hacker on
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  Speaker 5: the face of the planet. There is nothing that it
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  Speaker 5: won't be able to access. A lot of people think
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  Speaker 5: of robots when we're talking about AI.
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  Speaker 6: No, No, this thing.
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  Speaker 5: Will just be an all encompassing presence that can talk
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  Speaker 5: to itself in different technologies all around the world constantly.
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  Speaker 4: This whole AI discussion just illustrates perfectly the paradox of
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  Speaker 4: human nature. Right, we are the most magnificent villains. We're
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  Speaker 4: capable of incredible beauty and ugliness, glory and destruction, and
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  Speaker 4: so on the one hand, AI will revolutionize healthcare and
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  Speaker 4: education and probably destroy half of humanity's typical of human nature.
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  Speaker 2: And at our own hands too. Now, how good is
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  Speaker 2: this one? The Emmy nominations have been released. In sixty minutes,
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  Speaker 2: you'll remember did an interview last year with Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 2: in the lead up to the presidential election, where they
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  Speaker 2: asked her lots of questions, including one about the US's
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  Speaker 2: relationship with Israel. This is if you can't remember what
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  Speaker 2: happened in the interview that was televised and what was
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  Speaker 2: actually said in the interview. But it seems that Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister Netanyahu is not listening.
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  Speaker 7: Well, Bill, the work that we have done has resulted
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  Speaker 7: in a number of movements in that region by Israel
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  Speaker 7: that were very much prompted by or a result of
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  Speaker 7: many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen
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  Speaker 7: in the region.
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  Speaker 2: But it seems that Prime Minister Netta, who is not listening.
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  Speaker 7: We're not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for
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  Speaker 7: the United States to be clear about where we stand
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  Speaker 7: on the need for this war to end.
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  Speaker 2: I mean fantastic. They made her sound so much smarter
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  Speaker 2: than she actually is. Of course, Trump has been pursuing
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  Speaker 2: sixty minutes through the course over this twenty billion dollars
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  Speaker 2: he's suing them for for interfering with the election. So
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  Speaker 2: the Emmy nominations come out, and they have given the
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  Speaker 2: interview a nod and I'll let you guess which category
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  Speaker 2: it's been nominated in Best Edited Interview. And on that front,
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  Speaker 2: I have to say it's probably a very fair nomination
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  Speaker 2: because that is some of the best editing I've seen
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  Speaker 2: anywhere in television ever. I mean, if you can make
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  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris sound a little bit smart, they probably actually
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  Speaker 2: deserve the Emmy.
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  Speaker 4: If you can make her look intelligent, you deserve an
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  Speaker 4: award for brilliant editing.
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  Speaker 3: They might rename the Emmys though, the Enemies.
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  Speaker 4: Because, of course that interview not only helped to sway
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  Speaker 4: the election Trump ended up winning, but it did convince
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  Speaker 4: voters to stay with Kamala Harris. But it was also
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  Speaker 4: potentially dangerous because the question was around Benjaminette Yahoo, the
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  Speaker 4: situation in the Middle East, and it made Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 4: sound like she was reasonable and on top of her game,
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  Speaker 4: when if you watch the whole interview, clearly she was absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Flaying about clueless.
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  Speaker 4: So it presented America with an option for president who
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  Speaker 4: you would have assumed was quite intelligent and reasonable if
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  Speaker 4: that's the only thing you'd ever seen, But of course
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  Speaker 4: she was anything but. So this is not just clever
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  Speaker 4: by the news broadcasters.
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  Speaker 3: It's downright dangerous and misleading.
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  Speaker 5: Well it is, and what a time would be sending
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  Speaker 5: that Yeah, to be sending that message to the media, like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: well done for framing this incredibly incompetent woman.
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  Speaker 6: She'd fail finger painting, and we.
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  Speaker 5: All know it as actually being off. I was a
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  Speaker 5: very decisive answer. She seems really quick on her feet.
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  Speaker 5: It was just edited to edited within an inch of
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  Speaker 5: its life. I mean the famous saying goes, you can't
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  Speaker 5: polish a turn. But those guys at CPS, they did
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  Speaker 5: a really good job of it. And for that reason you,
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  Speaker 5: like you say, Caleb, maybe they do deserve the award
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  Speaker 5: because we all know which one of those edits looks far,
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  Speaker 5: far better.
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  Speaker 4: Is this a middle finger to Donald Trump as well? Because,
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  Speaker 4: as you said, he was in the middle of a
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  Speaker 4: twenty billion dollar lawsuit against them for what they did
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  Speaker 4: in terms of interfering with the election through this interview.
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  Speaker 3: To give this interview.
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  Speaker 4: An award while that case is still underway is clearly
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  Speaker 4: a deliberate slight against Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and unfortunately, I for various reasons, I don't think
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  Speaker 5: that case.
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  Speaker 6: Is actually going to get up, But good on him.
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  Speaker 6: For trying.
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  Speaker 5: And you can understand why you would. This was primetime TV.
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  Speaker 5: It's one of the major networks in America, hundreds of
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  Speaker 5: thousands of viewers from all over America, and there they
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  Speaker 5: were doing their best to shill for the Democrats.
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  Speaker 2: To surprise, here, they'd also give the message that they
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  Speaker 2: haven't learned any lessons from the election. Like the even's sake,
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  Speaker 2: you'd think you'd keep your powder dry for a little while,
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  Speaker 2: but they're like, no, no, we didn't do anything wrong
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  Speaker 2: through that campaign. It was all good. It was just
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  Speaker 2: I don't know Trump rigged it or something probably. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they did start all that stuff again, just
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  Speaker 2: like they did in twenty sixteen with the Russian nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, if you were giving nods to an
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  Speaker 2: interview that quite clearly was edited to be so biased,
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  Speaker 2: it was ridiculous. And me're saying, yes, that is worthy
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  Speaker 2: of recognition. It's proof that the left in America have
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  Speaker 2: learned nothing from that presidential election.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, they obviously consider it very applause worthy. Something else
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  Speaker 5: that's been considered applause worthy the pullet surprise of breaking news. These,
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  Speaker 5: of course, are iconic images. What photographer doesn't want to
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  Speaker 5: win a pullet serprize now, especially the Maga family assumed
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  Speaker 5: that Trump's iconic photo after he dodged a bullet at
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  Speaker 5: the rally in Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 6: He has blood streaming down his face.
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  Speaker 5: He's got his fist raised in defiance as.
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  Speaker 6: He yelled fight, Fight, Fight.
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  Speaker 5: Everyone thought that the image on your screen there would
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  Speaker 5: take out the prize. Surely nobody could compare to that.
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  Speaker 5: But instead, the Bulletzer for Breaking News Photography was awarded
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  Speaker 5: to New York Times photographer Doug Mills, and his photo
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  Speaker 5: is one of that bullet that you can see there
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  Speaker 5: with the red circle around it whizzing past Trump's head. Now,
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  Speaker 5: you and I may not be photography critics, we may
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  Speaker 5: have no awards to our name, but the average observa
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  Speaker 5: obviously thinks that that photo is not half as.
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  Speaker 6: Iconic as Trump.
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  Speaker 5: Fight Fight, Fight photo, with critics now saying no, no, you.
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  Speaker 6: Guys wouldn't award.
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  Speaker 5: The first photo, the fight photo with the Pulletzer prize
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  Speaker 5: because you knew it made Trump look strong and awesome
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  Speaker 5: and an absolute icon for all eternity. One of his
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  Speaker 5: massive fans, Charlie Kirk, who's a conservative influencer in the
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  Speaker 5: United States of America has millions upon millions.
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  Speaker 6: Of followers tweets.
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  Speaker 5: Evan Vucci's photograph of Donald Trump after last summer's assassination
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  Speaker 5: attempt is iconic, maybe the single most famous photo of
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  Speaker 5: the past decade. But because it made Trump look good,
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  Speaker 5: the Pulitzer Prize committee just refused to give it the
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  Speaker 5: award for Best Breaking News Photograph of twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 6: What a total joke. It's hard to disagree with that assessment.
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  Speaker 2: I can't see how it doesn't win. I mean, and
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  Speaker 2: that photo of the bullet whizzing past is Heit is
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  Speaker 2: also excellent news photo, right, But when you're making the decision,
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  Speaker 2: and I've been in this position as a newspaper chief
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  Speaker 2: of staff, and you know, what are we going to
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  Speaker 2: put on the front page? And I go into conference
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  Speaker 2: and I'm pitching to the editor what I think should
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  Speaker 2: be on pages one, three, and five, and I'm thinking
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  Speaker 2: about the visuals to go with it. I'm thinking about
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  Speaker 2: what the story is, etc. That photo that Evan Vucci
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  Speaker 2: took is every single day of the week, the photo
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  Speaker 2: I'd be pitching to put on the front page because
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  Speaker 2: it's just a bloody brilliant bit of news photography. It
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  Speaker 2: sums up the moment, right so the end. The New
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  Speaker 2: York Times photograph is excellent because it is the only
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  Speaker 2: photograph that exists of that bullet whizzing past his head.
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  Speaker 2: But it doesn't convey the gravity of the moment. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't show exactly what happened on that day. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: show the resolve of Donald Trump in the face of
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  Speaker 2: being shot. It doesn't convey what the Secret Service we're
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  Speaker 2: going through. I mean, the flag in the perfect position
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  Speaker 2: behind Trump. You could not think of a better news photograph,
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  Speaker 2: And you couldn't think of a news photograph that's received
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: more coverage in the last decade and probably for the
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: next decade than that image. I just can't see how
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: it doesn't win. They're both great photos, but that one
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: beats the bullet photo every day of the week for newsworthings.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: Well, the port surprise is just typical of the treatment
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump has received over the last decade. Anything, as
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: you said, is that shows Trump in a positive light
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: is rejected by most of the elites. And of course,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: when that photograph was taken, news editors actually thought about
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: whether or not they should continue publishing it because they
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: called it quote unquote dangerous in that it was promoting
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump. You mentioned the American flag, which is perfectly
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: captured in the background there famously, and I think it
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: was The New York Times. I might be, but it
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: was one of the major papers in the US. They
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: put that photograph on their front page, but they cut
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: out the American flag because they didn't want Trump to
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: look patriotic. The other thing this does, of course, is
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: it completely undermines anybody's esteem for these once prestigious awards.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, who of us watches the Grammys anymore? Or
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: the Oscars, even the Nobel Prize. Do you remember in
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: two thousand and nine and they gave Obama a Nobel
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Peace Prize. He'd only been president for about eight months,
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: hadn't actually done anything, but because they anticipated that we
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: would have a more peaceful world, they gave him terms out.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Well didn't the president with them some of the worst
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: foreign policy ever.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: But there you go. That's what these awards do.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: They've been hijacked by lefties and as a consequence, have
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: lost all credibility. Let's talk about relationships for a moment,
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: because there's two major relationships. I think we're all watching
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: how It and Megan, we're watching to see what happens there.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: And of course the.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Other relationship everyone is watching is that between the United
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: States and Canada. Of course, that relationship hit a couple
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: of road bumps when Trump said that he would slap
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: tariffs on goods coming from Canada, ostensibly to punish them
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: for having lax border control and for a massive trade
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: deficit that the US was experiencing. When Trudeau protested, Trump
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: started joking about Canada becoming the fifty first.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: State of the United States.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Well, Mark Karney, who took over from Trudeau, he won
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: his election in Canada demonizing Trump as an existential threat
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: to the sovereignty of Canada. So that's the background between
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: this tumultuous relationship, and they met at the White House
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: over the weekend, so everybody was watching with great anticipation,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: especially after that fiasco with Zelenski, when he went to
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: the White House to see what would happen between Carney
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: and Trump. It didn't start off so well because Trump
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: was asked if there was anything Canne could say to
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: him that would prevent Trump from imposing the tariffs.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Is there anything you can.
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: Say to you in the course of your.
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: Needs within today.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: That gets you to lift tears on Canada? No, why not?
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: Just the way it is?
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Well, that was pretty blood.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: So you can imagine Mark Canny sitting there thinking why
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: did I fly all this way? There's literally no discussion
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: to be had. Trump went on to explain how they
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: have a two hundred billion dollar deficit in their trade
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: with Canada, and America are sick of subsidizing.
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: It's hard to justify subsidizing Canada to the tune of
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: maybe two hundred billion dollars a year. We protect Canada militarily,
• 22:45
  Speaker 9: and we always will.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: We are going to you know, that's not a money thing.
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: That's but we always will. But you know it's not fair.
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: But why are we subsidized in Canada? Two hundred billion
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: dollars a year or whatever the number might be. It's
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: a very substantial number. And it's hard for the American
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: taxpayer to say, gee, whiz, we love doing that, Thank
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: you very much.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: It didn't go all Trump's way, though, after he started
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: fantasizing about one day taking over Canada, especially as a
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: real estate mogul, he could see how Canada could be
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: magnificently developed by the US.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Mark Kenney let Trump know what he thought about that proposal.
• 23:23
  Speaker 10: As you know from real estate, there are some places
• 23:25
  Speaker 10: that are never for sale. We're sitting in one right now,
• 23:29
  Speaker 10: you know, Buckingham Palace that you visited as well, and
• 23:33
  Speaker 10: having met with the owners of Canada over the course
• 23:36
  Speaker 10: of the campaign last several months, it's not for sale,
• 23:40
  Speaker 10: won't be for s calibs.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: There's a bit to unpack in that interaction, but let
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: me just make one point.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: It's only a few weeks ago.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Mark Canney is in Canada demonizing Donald Trump and accusing
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: his political opponent of being someone who would bow down
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: and suck up to Donald Trump. Fast forward a couple
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: of weeks, there's Mark Cane in the White House. Donald Trump,
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: you're a transformational leader, and I have very similar goals
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: to you, having been elected the Prime Minister of Canada.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: It just goes to show that politicians, when they speak
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: to a domestic audience in an election then behave very
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: differently having one office. Albin Easy would be a classic example.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Remember how he once said that Trump scared the s
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: out of him, But can you really imagine Elbin Easy
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: following through on that he will be exactly the same.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: He will do everything he can to ingratiate himself to Trump,
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: even as Mark Carney just did, having previously demonized the man.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: They all eventually come to kiss the ring. I mean
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Trudeau went to kiss the ring after Trump got elected.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I mean everyone's gone to kiss the ring of Trump
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: because you know, they sort of begrudgingly respect that he
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: was able to do what he was able to do,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: even if they don't particularly like his politics. And I
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: think the same is true in reverse. Trump begrudgingly respects
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: people who can win, even if he's not particularly ideologically
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: aligned with them. And you've had two ex samples of
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: that this week. I mean Anthony Alberanizi the other day. Oh,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: we've got a great relationship. Finally he's picked up the
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: phone to talk to him, which he refused to do
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: before the election was run. But now that he can
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: see the bloke has stood up in an election where,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: of course there was talk that it was going to
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: be minority and was he able to hang on and whatever,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: and he wins in a thumping majority. Trump can't pick
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: up the phone fast enough because he's a winner. So
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: even if he has ideological issues with him, he actually
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: respects him, and I think the same is true of Carney.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: That you know, Carnie ran on an anti Trump ticket basically,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: and everyone thought to Polivier was going to win whatever.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: But Carney managed to do it, and Trump can respect that.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: He can see that this bloke was playing for keeps
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: and he was able to do it, And so they're
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: able to sit down and have a reasonably civil discussion
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: as they did in the White House. But I do
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: love when he says when they ask him, you know,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: are you're going to do anything with the tariffs? And
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: he's like nah, And you can see Carney. They're like,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: well I talked about this, and he goes to something
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: like touchies, are we might talk about that?
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: Lady.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: He's like, no, not going to happen. But I was
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: at the Sydney East to show a few weeks ago,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: and if you told me one of the Carnies was
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: going to be running Canada, I would have told you
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: were an idiot.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: These entire get together, though, like ran like a comedy skit. Honestly,
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: if you watch the whole thing and it's available online,
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: you'll laugh till you cry at one point, Trump was
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: waxing lyrical about the fact that we don't need Canada
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: for anything except for friendship, which we appreciate.
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: But we don't need them for anything, at.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: Which point Mark Carney interrupted and said, respectfully, seventy five
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: percent of our exports go to you guys, So what
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: do you mean you don't need anything from us except
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: for goodwill and friendship. The whole thing was absolutely hilarious.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: There's Trump sat in there, he's holding court, he's got JD.
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: Vans, he's got his Secondary of State sitting there. Mark
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: Karney's getting grilled.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: But he did pack a few punches Karne, and I'm
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: sure that's what the Canadian media will focus on, especially
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: that one line where.
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: He's like, We're not for sale. I was like, oh,
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: he's got the headline.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Whatever you think of Mark Karney.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: He played it well because remember Zelenski bit and took
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: the bait, whereas Karnie just sat there bit his tongue understood.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: He was in front of the world media. You can
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: talk to Trump privately behind doors. He handled it pretty well.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to see how it goes when Albow
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: goes over there. I'm just hanging on for that meeting,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: because that's going to be so much fun. Things that
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: aren't as much fun, though. You'd know if you're on
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: the Central coast in New South Wales. Last Friday there
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: was this massive spill of all this scrap metal on
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: the M one. I think it's the longest traffic jam
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: that there's ever been. It went on for twenty four
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: kilometers or something in peak hour traffic in the morning
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: because the back of this truck had opened up and
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: was spilling all these shards of scrap metal all over
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: the road and people have driven through it and blown
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: their tires, so the whole road has to be closed down, etc. Well,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I'll give you an example here of a great way
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: to handle bad media. And you can see, you know,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: what happened to some of these cars here, And there
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: were six hundred insurance claims so far. I'm sure there'll
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: be more to come. We're talking about millions of dollars
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: in claims here.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: But this is an.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Example to everyone of how to handle media when things
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: go wrong, because how many times do you see a
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: mistake is made. Politicians do it all the time, the
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: corporate world does it all the time. A mistake is made,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: or they get caught out for something and they go
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: to ground and they try to justify it. They say,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: well it was within the rules, or they just don't
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: talk at all and they expect the story to go away,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: and it never quite works like that. When you dig
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: your heels in, you don't end up getting anywhere. Well,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: the tracking company NJ Ashton has come up with the
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: most Australian way to smooth things over. Please take note, politicians,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: corporate world take note. They've said, we know how we'll
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: sort this out. We'll invite everyone around for a sausage sysm.
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: So on Friday we're having a barbecue and a coffee.
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: Days come in between eleven and two come down. The
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: insurance company will be there.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: So you're going to sit down, have a jack, you
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: can do whatever you need to do, have ad a.
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: Sageine sandwich, have a coffee.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: It's just to.
• 29:31
  Speaker 9: Say, you know, we're here, let's do something for those guys.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: And you know, I love this because they could have
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: easily said, oh, well you know something went wrong and
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: or well we're looking into it and we'll get back
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: to it a later data as to when you might
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: get your money out of the insurance company. You know,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: for once we've actually seen someone say, yeah, something went
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: wrong and we're going to do our best to try
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: and fix it. And in the meantime, come along and
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: have a snag and a cup of coffee and we'll
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: have everyone there that you need to talk to. Just
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: sort things out, and we'll work it all out for you.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, why doesn't everyone do this when things go wrong.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: It's such a simple thing. Own up to the mistake
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: and fix the mistake, and nine times out of ten
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: people will respect you because we all know that mistakes
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: are made.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: They've turned the disaster into great publicity for their company
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: and their brand, and as I understand that, the investigation
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: into what actually happened is ongoing, but they're not waiting
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: until that investigation has concluded because people have got flat
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: tires now, so they've said, look, come on over, have
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: a snag and you can meet with the insurance company.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Will make sure they're available. Not only that, but as
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: I understand that the driver of the truck will also
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: be at the sausage sizzle to have.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: A bit of a chat.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: He'll tell you what happened and sympathize with the fact
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: that it ruined your day.
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: Sorry about all your shredded tires. Sorry about that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: Well, if only NJ Ashton Group could perhaps hold workshops
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: for state, federal, and local governments as to how to
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: take respond ability for your actions, apologize and do better,
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: that'd be great we the taxpayer. That would be something
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: that we'd happily fit the bill for.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: An NS Council has decided it's time to start towing
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: vehicles and finding the drivers of those vehicles for parking
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: across people's driveways.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: How is this.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Something that even needs to be said? Get this this?
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: Inn West Council has received four thousand, three hundred and
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: ninety three complaints in one year from people within their
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: council who cannot leave their driveway or indeed, if they're
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: trying to pull in, cannot access their driveway. Chloe Smith,
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: who's one of the Inner West councilors, has said I
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: had a family contact me who relied on their cars
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: to drop kids to childcare who couldn't exit their driveway,
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: and also a person who had a loved one in
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: hospital and needed.
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: To use their car to visit them.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: It can be a really frustrating and galling experience for
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: people so now if you live in the Inner West
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: and you are one of these guilty parties, don't expect
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: to find.
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: Your car where you left it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: And you can also expect either a three hundred and
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: twenty dollar fine or a six hundred and sixty dollar fine.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: I mean, we always pay out on councils, but it's
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: stuff like this when it comes down to the idiocy
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: of the residents that the council is then going to
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: be forking out a lot of money for what sounds
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: like a lot of toes.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: They should turn them away and crash them. As far
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: as I mean they did. They don't know whether the
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: rest of the country you.
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: Might get elected on that run.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: That's the cars. But in South Australia they had this
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: thing that if you were caught hooning, they'd take your
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: car and crash it, and they get the TV cameras
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: down there and crash it in front of the cameras.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: And so you should do it to people who park
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: across the driveway. But what is wrong with people like,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: you know, parking across the the general behavior of people
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: on the roads. It's like when people get behind the
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: wheel of a car, they just lose all sense. They
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: lose any conscious of the fact that there are other
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: people in the world. I can do whatever I want now, Like,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: wouldn't you think, Hm, I'm parking my car. That's someone's
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: driveway there. They use that to access their house. Maybe
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I won't park across their driveway. I mean, it's just
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: just the idiotic behavior of people. I do not get it.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: You see it everywhere. It just courtesy not exists in
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: the world anymore.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: But even if you resisted the urge to park in
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: someone's driveway out of the what urge do.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: You get to park in front of someone's driveway?
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: Urge that you need to resist on a casion, I've got.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: The shakes, hide park in front of a driveway for
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: five days.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: You're desperate for a park You think I was stick
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: it in front of this person's driveway.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: You think, no, that's disrespectful.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: Well, even if you're just thinking from a purely selfish
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: point of view, wouldn't you be worried that if you
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: park in someone's driveway, they're going to come out and
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: be so irate they're going to at least key your
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: car or smash your car or something. You just wouldn't
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: do it The other thing is most councils have never
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: thought to do this because they haven't been quite as
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: imaginative as the Inn West Council, who are using a
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: law that allows council to move an item obstructing access
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: from a public place. And so I think they've elasticized
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: that law a little bit to make it relevant to
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: a driveway. But I don't think anyone's going to complain
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: about this, and residents will be very, very happy in
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: the Inn West.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: Indeed, I just can't believe that figure four three hundred
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: and ninety three people made complains about someone's either parked
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: me in or parked me out of my own driveway.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: Utterly bizarre, unbelievable to Romania now, where for once it's
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: going well for a candidate who says, I align myself
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: with Trump. Everybody big fan, I'm a huge nationalist in Romania,
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: it's paying off for one George Simeon, who has just
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: won so comprehensively in the latest round that the current
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: Romanian Prime minister has resigned and pulled out of.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: The current coalition.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: He's basically already given up hope. He knows he can't
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: come back from this. Here's George Simeon. He's part of
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: the Alliance for the Unity of Romanians party, and you
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: might be able to hear a little bit of Trumpianism
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: coming through in the little bit he has to say
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: here in.
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: One word, how would you describe yourself?
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Are you a nationalist?
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: What is?
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Who are you?
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: I am young and restless. I am a Romanian patriot
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: that all his life with his youngster from his generation,
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: dreamt of being part of the free world. And now
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: we discovered that the free world is not too that
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: free anymore.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: Well, he's run the first round by over forty percent
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: till now face off in the third round, but not
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: against the incumbent, as the incumbent is no more.
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: So it's really interesting.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: While we've seen it go very badly for let's say
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: Dutton because they tied him so hard with the Trump brush,
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: we know in Canada that imploded in Bolivia's face, but
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: in Europe it's still working quite well. Like I say,
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: this guy has not been shy about the fact that
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: he's a Trump fan. He's trump esk. He says, I'm
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: a massive nationalist. That is what I'm running on Romania. First,
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: we keep hearing that line in various countries. It's going
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: absolutely very well for him.
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: It seems it still depends on where.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: Your country's at as to whether having been tired with
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: the Trump rush will actually go well or negative for you.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: And he's not afraid to push socially conservative issues. And
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: interestingly he made his name opposing COVID restrictions.
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  Speaker 3: So there you go.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: We'll go to a break when we come back. The
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: front page of Tomorrow's Australians is a beauty. The Greens
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: so looking for a new leader that's coming up in
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: just a moment. Let's take a look at what's making
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: headlines tomorrow. The front page of Tomorrow's Australian, Caleb is
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: one I suspect many people have been looking forward to.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Say the break good times come on and we'll bring
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: out another song in a minute. Pertinent to this story.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: He'll blame labor, he'll blame liberals, he'll blame voters, but
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: never himself. What a surprised The Greens are in crisis
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: and searching for a leader after Adam Band became the
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: latest victim of Anthony Albanezi's stunning election victory by losing
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: the far Left party stranglehold over the center of Melbourne.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister's extraordinary win the May through poll has
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: seen him not rival leaders Peter Dutton and mister Band
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: out of Parliament in a result that was beyond the
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: wildest dreams of even the most optimistic Labor strategists. So
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: that they're down from four to maybe one. There's only
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: one seat left in contention for them, which is Ryan
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: in Brisbane. I mean, that's hell to have a seventy
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: five percent, go back on seventy five percent. It's a
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: pretty good effort. And it says here, it's got a
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: quote from mister Bant on the front of the odds
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: tomorrow from February where he says, I know this could
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: be our biggest election campaign and our best result ever.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: He tweeted on election night, will retain all our senators,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Melbourne his seat and we're looking good in Ryan, Wills
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: and Richmond. Will more no soon, well, no more soon, sorry,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Well we do know more soon. And it's that you
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: are gone, mister Bant. And as the Angels once sang,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: am I ever gone to see your fees? And again
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: no way, and you know the rest of that how
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: it goes. But how good? How good is this you know,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I know it was a poor election result for many
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: people and they've been down and out and resting on
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: their laurels, not sure what to do about it. But
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: you know, we've had some good wins afterwards. We've managed
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: to decimate the Greens. The Teals are in trouble in Victoria.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Tim Wilson's back in parliament. It looks like Monique Ryan
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: might be on the way out to in Bendigo, which
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: we should note is Jacinta Allen's territory. The Gnats have
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: come within a bees you know what of winning that seat,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: and the Greens have been fended off in other parts
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: of Victoria as well, Wills, for instance, where they thought
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: they were a really good chance sent in their state
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: leader to run for that seat. There are actually a
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: few positives to be taken out of this.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: So the interesting thing now is not only who will
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: be the new leader of the Liberal Party, but who
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: will be the new leader of the Greens. This article
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: says Sarah Hanson young and who wants thought Sea Patrol
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: was a documentary and Larissa Waters are the front runners.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: I can't understand why the deputy leader, Marine Ferruki wouldn't
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: be the new leader of the Green I desperately hope
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: that she gets it, because that would be the end
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: of the Greens forever if she becomes the leader and
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: give us just endless spodder on a.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Evening TV show.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: Indeed, as Joe Hildebrend said on Chris Kenny tonight, he's like,
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: if you're a labor supporter, as Joe famously is, obviously,
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: he's like, this is the perfect election. We win majority,
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: the Greens get booted out. That's four seats in the
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: lower House, just Pip gone, two of the worst heals,
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: the two major socialists, they're out. He's like, this is
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: absolutely perfect. Of course, all the Liberal voters will be
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: looking our wounds for quite some time to come.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: But as Caleb said, this is.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: Not without some happy stories in it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Indeed, and I got to say, Sarah Hanson Young and
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Marine Ferruk have something in common, not just that they
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: are in the Senate in the Greens, but in twenty
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: nineteen when I lived in South Australia, I vote below
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: the line in the Senate and I fill out all
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: the bottom. Of course, Sarah Hanson Young got the very
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: last preference and in twenty twenty five, now I live
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: in New South Wales. Marine Faruki got the very last preference,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: so they're in very good company together. Now the story
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: on the front of the odds tomorrow, labor won't change
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: course as US dump's legacy choppers. The Albanezy government will
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: forge ahead with its planned to buy five billions fifteen
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: We're it in a trillion dollars a debt. What difference
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: does it make it have billion dollars worth of Apache helicopters.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: As the US Army moves to scrap outdated crew to
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: attack aircraft, including much of its Apache fleet, defense experts
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: warn the US decision to scrap more than six hundred
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: of the Boeing made attack helicopters in favor of autonomous
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: aircraft means Australia will be left operating an expensive legacy
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: platum well beyond its use by date. I mean, everyone
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: knows that warfare is heading into drone territory. Now, if
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: the UIs is giving up on it, why the hell
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: would we be going headstrong into this?
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: And that's been the big takeaway of the war in Ukraine.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: That's what has partly motivated the US decision is that
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: Apache helicopters were being taken out by surface to air
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: missiles and by drones are quite cheap compared to these
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: very expensive helicopters. Japan had already made that decision, though,
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: I will be surprised if the five billion dollars allocated
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: by the Albanezi government ever gets paid out into defense
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: because they don't exactly have a great track record on
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: following through with their defense commitments.
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: No, indeed, they don't seem to think it's a priority
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: at all, hence defense spending still staying stagnant under their lead.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: To the front page of the Daily Telegraph, Now Commissioner
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: ends a turbulent tenure.
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: Karen cuts it short.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: Outgoing Police Commissioner Karen Where has been urged to step
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: aside immediately to give the new South Wales Police Force
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: clear air while her.
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: Replacement is found.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: Miss web will retire as the state's top cop on
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: September thirtieth, cutting her five year term short by almost
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: eighteen months. The government yesterday scrambled to confirm the looming
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: resignation after the Daily Telegraph rebeialed Miss Webb was Missweb,
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: I should say, was planning to announce her exit next Sunday.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: The Commissioner emailed colleagues, saying serving in the role had
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: been her greatest honor. Quote announcing my retirement now gives
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: the state government time to recruit in appoint a new
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: commissioner going into an election period in less than two
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: years time, and quote love. We know it's got nothing
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: to do with that. It never does. So my main
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: memory of this woman, who I've always found completely underwhelming
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: in this role, was when.
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: Her cops got caught.
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: Tasering that ninety year old grandmother who tragically died after
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: the incident, and she was asked, have you watched the
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: bodycam footage? And she was standing by her cops no
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: matter what, And it became most apparent in that moment
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: because she said, no, I haven't watched it, but I'm
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: backing them in. Excuse me, lady, They could have done
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: absolutely anything, and you haven't even watched the bodycam footage.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: You're just blindly backing them in.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: She said it would take a brave person to watch
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: that footage, thereby inferring she was a coward. My goodness,
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: she lost me very early on, and I'm afraid she
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: never got me back. And I think most New South Walians, yes,
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: I use that every time, I'm determined to make it
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: a phrase would feel the same goodbye.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: I think the problems in the headline it's been a
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: turbulent tenure and the last thing you want is turbulence
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: in the hierarchy of your police force, especially during the crisis.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: And I don't think she ever really got it to
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: She was underwhelming in public, and I know that she
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: had the support of some in the police force, though
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: they have increasingly been turning on her. But you know
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: that the role of police commissioner is as much politician
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: as it is copper and I don't think she had
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: that in her And some of the reporting that the
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Telegraph has put out excellent stuff reporting they've been doing
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: on web in the last few weeks. That she walked
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: into the office of Tom Malone who runs nine Radio
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: and basically compared herself to a DV victim on the
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: basis of how she had been treated in the media.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, it just shows how she doesn't get it
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: and flip flop. You know, she's meant to be in
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: an interview with Ben Fordham and then she cancels that
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: and goes to Hadley because she thinks you'll get a
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: better run there and then Hadley turns on her because
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: he works like on and on and on and on
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: it went. It was just a poor time as commissioner.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Really quickly before we go to a break, got to
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: show you this headline from the advertiser because we talked
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: about it last night.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Will he ever learn? As the headline, this.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: Of course refers to port Power player Willi Rioli claims
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: of more threats to opponents. The AFL is strongly considering
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: fighting or suspending Port Adelaide forward Willi Rioli after a
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: day of drama saw the league investigate fresh claims the
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: powerstar made threats to opposition players. We talked last night
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: about how it had come to light he'd sent a
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: threatening text message to.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: A Bulldogs player.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: He was told, look just sort of out amongst yourselves,
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: But now it's become apparent. Last year he made threats
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: against a Geelong player and earlier this year against an
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: Essendon footballer. The article says the AFL remains acutely aware
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: of the cultural sensitivities surrounding this issue, so we will
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: watch with fascination as to whether the AFL sanction Willy
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Rioli or not.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: When we come back, a woman has taken the court
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: for feeding her neighbor's cat.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: That's coming up in just a second.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Welcome back in Switzerland, capable woman's been taken to court
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: for feeding her neighbour's cats.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Jass ridiculous, this poor bird in Switzerland. I will note
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: that the story I read today calls her elderly. She's
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: sixty eight, and I think that's probably the real offense
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: that's been committed. Anyway, this woman, this cat lives in
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: her building. Leo is the cat's name, and so she
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: feeds friendly Leo, and Leo takes a liking to her,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: and she even put a cat flap in her door
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: so the cat could come in and out and visit her.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: The actual owner of the cat said I don't want
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: you feeding my cat anymore, but she continued to feed it.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: So she falls foul of the law because there is
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: an offense in Switzerland called systemic feeding. Now, if someone
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: wanted to systemically feed me, I wouldn't be going to
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: the cops about them, it has to be said. But
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, for heaven's sake, the cat obviously likes her more.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: It reminds me of this case that went viral online
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: a few years ago, a neighborhood dispute over a cat
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: that seems to like spending more time on one side
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: of the fence instead of the owner's side of the fence.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: And you wouldn't believe what they had to say about
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: that fella.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: I have done.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I've done nothing to bring the cat.
• 48:14
  Speaker 10: I've done nothing to bring the per.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: His last, his last.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: And so this woman in zi Rich is now charged
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: with being a cat poop means, for Heaven's sake.
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: Cat envy.
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: It's a very real thing, punishable by Laura in some
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: countries don't do it well. On Monday, we saw some
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: heartwarming scenes as the royal family celebrated v Day, the
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: eightieth anniversary, and as usual, Prince Louis, seven years of age,
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: now took the gong.
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: Here he is mocking his brother. So we've got Prince
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: George there.
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: He is just jouged his hair and Louis checking out
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: his brother takes an exaggerated little flip of his hair
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: as well. You ask me, Grandma in the background. There
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: really steals the show. But Louis then, of course, he
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: does this nearly every single ceremony.
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: He was pulling.
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: Faces, showing off his gaping missing two front teeth. While
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: everyone else is celebrating, he's stealing the show. He's such
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: a cutie and such the class clown every single time.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: That's all we've got time for tonight, stick around.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Coming up, It's The Reader Penney Show. Good Night,