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- 0:00off the south coast of England, about 100 kilometers out, there's
- 0:03a granite reef called Hog Frost covered in jewel anemones and corals.
- 0:09And on paper it had been protected for years, but heavy fishing
- 0:12gear could still drag across it.
- 0:14So is it really protected?
- 0:16In March 2024, that finally changed.
- 0:19And here's why where we fish matters as much as how much we fish of it.
- 0:25We're gonna talk about that on today's episode of the How
- 0:27to Protect the Ocean podcast.
- 0:28I'm your host, Andrew Lewin.
- 0:29I am a marine biologist and science communicator here to tell you all about
- 0:35the ocean, covering ocean news, ocean science, ocean conservation, the whole
- 0:39gambit, so that you can understand the ocean better and maybe lessen some of
- 0:43that ocean anxiety or climate anxiety you might be having, or questions around
- 0:47the ocean that you might be having.
- 0:49I'm here to help answer any of those.
- 0:51So if you have any questions, feel free to get in touch with me.
- 0:54If you're listening to this on Spotify, there's a comment section,
- 0:56I'd love to hear your thoughts.
- 0:58If you're listening to this on YouTube, which I'll be posting, uh, this on, you
- 1:01can hit me up in the comments below.
- 1:03And if you are listening to this on your favorite podcast app, 'cause
- 1:06this is an audio-only podcast for most part, you can hit me up on my socials.
- 1:10The links are in the show notes.
- 1:12Now, we've been covering how many fish we take and, what else ends up in the
- 1:16net over the last couple of episodes.
- 1:18And on Monday, I talked to Dr. David Shiffman, who wrote Why Sustainable
- 1:22Seafood Matters, and you can pre-order that right now if you really wanna get
- 1:26into sustainable seafood conversation.
- 1:28Today's all about where we fish and what we do to the sea floor while we're at it.
- 1:33it's gonna be an interesting show today, because there's a lot of, like, recent
- 1:37documentaries, ocean documentaries, that you've seen the footage, like a heavy
- 1:40net drags along the bottom, a cloud of sediment, and a scar on the sea floor,
- 1:45on the, documentary last year, Ocean, narrated by Sir David
- 1:49Attenborough, was a very enlightening, documentary for a lot of people.
- 1:53I took my daughter there, who's in wildlife biology.
- 1:56It was emotional.
- 1:57You saw this beautiful reef, and it was wonderful.
- 2:00And you saw, like, all these anemones, and it was very productive on the bottom,
- 2:03it was so, like teeming with life, invertebrates, fish, all this kinda thing.
- 2:07They mounted cameras on a trawl, and the trawl went right through it.
- 2:12And it was a protected area and everything like that, and it's just
- 2:14like, wow, it just destroyed everything.
- 2:17You can hear the sniffles, and you see people crying, including my
- 2:21daughter, and even made me emotional to see all that productive habitat
- 2:25be gone Now, the message that the movie created it was simple.
- 2:31It was like, ban it.
- 2:32Ban it everywhere, but it leaves you to wondering, like, whether every piece
- 2:37of cod or shrimp you've ever eaten came from those bulldozed sea floor.
- 2:41Today I want to give you that clear picture, one that takes the harm
- 2:44seriously, that, of trawls, we know that it, but still leaves room for solutions
- 2:48that can actually be passed into law, To look at how we can better protect
- 2:53things in, like the items and the life in marine protected areas, as well as
- 2:58worldwide, and making sure that we are only trawling in places that it won't
- 3:04harm anybody, if we are trawling at all.
- 3:06Now, I did my master's on marine protected area design, this is the episode
- 3:10where, like, I get to geek out a little bit, and I'm looking forward to that.
- 3:13So I want you to just go through, like, what a trawl net is, so a
- 3:16trawl is a net, like, essentially pulled through the water, and
- 3:20there are two very different kinds.
- 3:21There's a midwater trawl, which moves through open water and never touches the
- 3:25bottom, and then there's bottom trawls dragging along the sea floor, over
- 3:29sponges, corals, seagrasses or reefs.
- 3:32And they can do enormous damage to that habitat because once they go through and
- 3:36ruin that habitat, that, line, however wide that net is, will just scrape
- 3:41all that stuff off for the most part,
- 3:43it leaves these visible scars.
- 3:45it's basically clearing a forest, like, to catch rabbits essentially,
- 3:50that's what it's kind of analogous to.
- 3:52That's the harm in the documentaries and in those places that it's real,
- 3:57Like, I wanna just kinda give context that usually gets left out.
- 4:00Bottom trawling provides about a quarter of the world's wild-caught seafood, about
- 4:0519 million tons a year, and much of it comes from sand and muddy bottoms that
- 4:11recovery happens relatively quickly.
- 4:14And in 2018, a large study mapped bottom trawling in fine detail
- 4:18across many regions around the world, and in the regions studied, about
- 4:2214% of the sea floor was trawled.
- 4:24It ranged from less than half a percent off southern Chile to 80% of
- 4:28parts of the Adriatic Sea Now, two findings stand out from this study.
- 4:33Trawling happens in the same places year after year, and the regions
- 4:37were less than about 10% of the sea floor that was trawled almost
- 4:41always had sustainably fished stocks.
- 4:44So the more useful question is where, how much, and what's living there?
- 4:49'Cause that's an important aspect, and that's why some
- 4:52bottom trawl fisheries hold Marine Stewardship Council certification
- 4:56and good seafood guide ratings.
- 4:57And it depends on the place and the rules.
- 4:59And this is a lot of where people have a problem, especially with the Marine
- 5:04Stewardship Council certification, because they're like, "Well, how can they say
- 5:07that trawling is okay? That they shouldn't be saying this." But I guess it really
- 5:11depends on where it's being trawled, and studies have shown that sometimes
- 5:15these areas are not, like, terrible.
- 5:17In 2018, a team from Dalhousie University and Germany's GEOMAR looked
- 5:22at 727 marine protected areas across the European Union, and these were
- 5:28places governments had officially designated to protect ocean life.
- 5:31So the idea around these marine protected areas, Like, it's really two things.
- 5:34you're trying to protect biodiversity, so you're trying to protect all the
- 5:37animals and the habitats in there.
- 5:39But you might also be, protecting fisheries.
- 5:41So you have a specific commercial fishery or a number of commercial
- 5:44fisheries where this is an important habitat for those fish.
- 5:48And those fish can show in the number and the size, and then the idea is it'll have
- 5:52a spillover effect over the boundaries.
- 5:54So if nobody fishes within those boundaries, those fish will actually
- 5:57grow bigger and more of them, and they're gonna spill over because they
- 6:02have to compete for food and habitat, and they gotta look for some of those.
- 6:05And the fishermen will be able to fish there.
- 6:07They found in this study where they looked at marine protected areas
- 6:11and what was happening in them, they found that commercial trawling it was
- 6:14happening in at least 59% of them.
- 6:16And on average, trawling was 38% more intense inside the protected areas
- 6:21than in the nearby unprotected water.
- 6:23In the most heavily trawled areas, sensitive species like sharks,
- 6:27skates, and rays had declined by 69%.
- 6:30And one of those authors, Boris Worm, put it this way: "- when industrial
- 6:33use is elevated rather than reduced in protected areas, we are not getting the
- 6:37conservation outcomes that we need."
- 6:39We call these paper parks, when you're not really protecting what's there.
- 6:42You're allowing some kind of extractive activity to happen, whether it's fisheries
- 6:47or oil and gas or whatever that might be.
- 6:50And it just becomes a line on the map, a boundary, an invisible boundary that
- 6:53nobody's really paying attention to with the same activity going on inside it,
- 6:57which is what you were supposed to stop.
- 6:59And it isn't only Europe that it was happening.
- 7:01Around the world, MPAs get announced with great fanfare,
- 7:05and then left without any type of rules or enforcement or funding.
- 7:08We've talked about that on numerous times on this podcast.
- 7:11Some are even, like, drawn in places where the species like, they were
- 7:14meant to save doesn't even live.
- 7:16And so MPA is important, but it's also important to have the data, to have the
- 7:20management, to have the enforcement.
- 7:23And when an MPA is done well, the results are remarkable.
- 7:26A global review found fish biomass about 570% higher in no-take marine
- 7:33reserves than in unprotected areas, I should say that figure was corrected in
- 7:372025 from an earlier higher number, so science is already correcting itself,
- 7:41and that's a good thing, to be honest.
- 7:43Now, a study in 87 MPAs worldwide found five features that make the
- 7:47difference: no fishing allowed, strong enforcement, more than 10 years old,
- 7:52larger than 100 square kilometers, and isolated by deep water or sand.
- 7:57MPAs with four or five of those filters had five times more
- 8:01large fish and 14 times more shark biomass than fished areas.
- 8:06Let's go back to the 59% of the MPA studies had only one
- 8:10or two of these features.
- 8:12And to be honest about the limits, an MPA can't stop warming water, acidification,
- 8:16or an oil spill drifting in from the outside, or plastic pollution.
- 8:20It's a powerful tool for biodiversity and fisheries with a specific job, but it
- 8:23can only do that if it's properly managed and everything else around it is good.
- 8:28It kinda leaves it for the, ecosystem to just kind of recover on its own.
- 8:32Now, England has dozens of marine protected areas in its offshore waters.
- 8:35So for years, many of them allowed bottom-towed fishing, gear to be
- 8:40dragged across the very habitats they were created to protect.
- 8:43And in June 2022, the Marine Management Organization, the agency that regulates
- 8:48English seas, brought in its first bylaws banning bottom-towed gear
- 8:53in four offshore sites, including Dogger Bank, a huge sandbank in the
- 8:58North Sea, and the canyons, deep underwater valleys of the southwest.
- 9:02In January 2023, it proposed going further and opened a public consultation.
- 9:06Anyone can comment, fishers, scientists, conservation groups, ordinary citizens.
- 9:11And on March 22nd, 2024, the bylaw took effect.
- 9:14Bottom-towed gear were banned over sensitive reef habitats in 13 more
- 9:18marine protected areas, covering about 4,000 square kilometers.
- 9:21Places like Haig Frass, a granite reef with jewel anemones and cup corals, Cape
- 9:26Bank and its sea urchins and cushion starfish, Goodwin Sands with the sea fans
- 9:31it was very important to protect these.
- 9:33So together, those bylaws protect almost 18,000 square kilometers of
- 9:38English seabed from bottom-towed gear.
- 9:40The agency reported high compliance with the rules in the first sites, and so
- 9:45with very few infringements detected.
- 9:47that's a really good thing 'cause the enforcement's there.
- 9:49And that is what matching the rules to the habitat looks like.
- 9:52Trawling carried over sand and mud elsewhere, like, that's fine.
- 9:56It stays off the reefs that can't take it, and it allows for, like, mud habitats and
- 10:01sand habitats to recover because there's no overarching habitat, like a sponge
- 10:05reef or, like, very sensitive reefs with anemones and all these kind of things
- 10:09that will take a long time to recover.
- 10:11What's nice about this, it also happened through a public process.
- 10:15People showed up, they commented, and that matters for today's call to action,
- 10:20and we're gonna talk about that in just a sec. Now I just wanted a quick turn
- 10:23to talk about aquaculture because the same principle applies in aquaculture.
- 10:28In 2022, the first time ever, farms produced more of the world's aquatic
- 10:32animals than the wild fisheries did, 51%, about 94 million tons.
- 10:37And if you eat shrimp or salmon, you've almost certainly eaten farmed seafood.
- 10:41I think in Canada or here in Ontario, most of our salmon, unless
- 10:44you catch it yourself, is farmed.
- 10:46It is very expensive to try and get wild caught, and it happens every once
- 10:50in a while, but most of it's farming.
- 10:53Fish farming gets painted as all good or all bad, and like trawling, it
- 10:58depends on how or where it's done.
- 11:00What fish are fed, how waste and disease are handled, whether
- 11:04farms escape into the wild.
- 11:05Now, there are some ways that, aquaculture's not being done to the
- 11:08best of its ability, and there are a lot of people who are very emotional about
- 11:12how it's being, rolled out, how it's being enforced, all that kind of stuff.
- 11:17And so I get, some of the, consequences to that and how people look at that.
- 11:21But the quick way to tell is, you wanna look for Aquaculture Stewardship
- 11:24Council, the ASC, that kind of label, just like the Marine Stewardship Council.
- 11:28Best aquaculture practices, BAP, is less strict and still a lot
- 11:32better than nothing, though, seafood guides rate farm products, too.
- 11:36So the Seafood Watch, your Marine Stewardship Council,
- 11:39OceanWise, app, those all work.
- 11:42Now, one rule of thumb that works for farmed and wild seafood is doing it
- 11:45right costs more, producers who do it right tell you about it loudly, like,
- 11:49because it lets them charge more.
- 11:51And if the package is vague about where and how something was
- 11:54produced, that's usually a sign.
- 11:56It's usually, like, right then and there because it's a higher price,
- 11:59so they wanna make sure that you know exactly where it comes from.
- 12:03Here's where I want you to take from this episode, The next time your government
- 12:06proposes a protected area or reviews the rules of an existing one, submit
- 12:11that comment during public consultation.
- 12:13It doesn't matter if you're a fisher or you live near the ocean,
- 12:16or you know anything about marine science or marine conservation.
- 12:19You don't have to be a marine biologist to have this public comment.
- 12:21It's for everybody.
- 12:22It's for public.
- 12:23Whether you live in the country or even outside the country in a lot
- 12:25of places, you can have your say.
- 12:27If you care about the ocean, you care about how things are done, and you
- 12:30want things done right, 'cause when they're done right, they work, well,
- 12:33let's get them done right, keep it simple when you do your public support.
- 12:37Say you support the protected area and ask that the rules keep bottom
- 12:40trawling and other destructive gear out of any kind of sensitive habitats.
- 12:44Most countries post these consultations on their fisheries and environment
- 12:47agency website, so sign up for those alerts from those websites or follow a
- 12:51local ocean group like Oceana Canada, if you're in Canada, or any, Oceana
- 12:55wherever you live, they'll track them, and they'll kinda help you with that.
- 12:58Now, the difference between like a paper park and a real one is essentially
- 13:02how the rules are enforced and the rules that are within it, right?
- 13:05Rules get written in consultations, and then consultations count the comments.
- 13:09So it's an important thing to know that when you go to this public comments, that,
- 13:14that's a significant part of this process.
- 13:17Now, that's the end of our episode, We've been covering all the harms and the fixes
- 13:20to make sure our seafood's sustainable.
- 13:22So, next time if it's you at the seafood counter, we're
- 13:25gonna talk about that tomorrow.
- 13:26Labels, the apps, and how those choices actually change what's in the ocean.
- 13:30We're gonna talk about that tomorrow 'cause it's really, really important.
- 13:33But kind of thing I wanna leave you with here is, like, I want you to
- 13:36understand, like, the Hag Frass, like this sensitive marine protected area.
- 13:41Hundred kilometers off Cornwall, pink sea fans sway in the current,
- 13:45and a jewel anemone opens.
- 13:47No chain has come across this reef since 2024.
- 13:51It's developed, it's established, and it brings habitat for so many other
- 13:56fish species that allows fisheries to continue and be sustainable.
- 14:00It's such an important part of conservation.
- 14:05You protect the right places, write the right rules, and
- 14:08the sea floor will grow back.
- 14:10Place by place, the ocean and the dinner table can win.
- 14:14They can both win.
- 14:15That's an important aspect to remember for this episode.
- 14:18If you are listening to this on an app or a platform where it allows
- 14:22comments, please reach out to me.
- 14:24I'd love to hear what you think of the episode or if you have any questions.
- 14:27And of course, if you are listening to this on your favorite podcast app audio
- 14:30only, I would love to hear from you.
- 14:32My socials are in the show notes.
- 14:34Hit me up.
- 14:35Thank you so much for listening.
- 14:36I'm your host, Andrew Lewin.
- 14:38This has been another episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast.
- 14:40Have a great day.
- 14:41We'll talk to you tomorrow, and happy conservation.