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Walking Away from Achievement to Find True Fulfillment with Brooke Bains · Building the Best You

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Building the Best You, a destination for you to reimagine what is possible in your life and then create it.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the show, everybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Gene Collins, and today we have Brooke Baines on the show.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: I am I from Austin.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Brooke is one of my new friends, and I have to tell you all, I've been really engaged in LinkedIn since May and really made a commitment to being on the platform, posting every day, meeting more people.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: And Brooke is someone that I have met as a result of Courtney Johnson's Content Club.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so every morning from 9 to 10 Eastern Time, 8 to 9 Central Time, we all, a group of us, get on the phone and create content together every day.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I have had the pleasure of meeting some of the most amazing people as a result of doing that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm sharing that story because Brooke is one of those people.
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  SPEAKER_00: And my point of sharing the story for everybody is, you know what, guys, sometimes just like stretch a little outside your comfort zone and sign up for things that might feel a little stretchy because you never know who you're going to meet and the path that those people are going to take you down.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I am so grateful.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that is how I know Brooke.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, Brooke, welcome to the show.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much.
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  SPEAKER_02: And what a warm welcome.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_02: And you are so right.
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  SPEAKER_02: If I can encourage anything, it is do the things that are going to stretch you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's not about the thing, it's about who you meet and how you build around it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I am so grateful that you came into my life because it has been such a joy to watch what you're doing on social and then get to know you in person and just see how those things are all the same.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_02: And it's really a way of just bringing another, you know, extension of you to the world in a way that wasn't always possible.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: And it's, I mean, and you live in Texas.
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  SPEAKER_00: I would have never met you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like our networking paths do not cross.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have a background in tech.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, you're an entrepreneur, but our paths would have really never crossed.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: And we were DMing each other, responding to our stuff on LinkedIn.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: And then we reached out to each other and was like, hey, you want to get on a Zoom and have like a coffee chat?
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: And we talked for so long.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was like gab, gab, gab, gab, gab, gab, gab.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was like, oh my goodness, I feel like I've known you forever.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's just so once again, it's just the power of stepping a smidge outside your comfort zone because you never know who you're going to meet.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the world is filled with so many fascinating, interesting people that can help you learn and grow that might not be in your network and your ecosystem, whether it's personally or professionally.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I encourage everybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is the key message there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so before we get going, I don't normally read people's bios.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not going to read the whole bio, but I did want to read a little bit about your bio because your background is like we could talk for hours just about your life before you got to be 37, let alone where you are now.
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  SPEAKER_00: And she's about to turn 47 on Halloween and you would never know it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But so we're going to try to like condense into like the highlights.
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  SPEAKER_00: But before we do, I want to read a little bit about your bio, just so everybody gets kind of a glimpse of you, who you are, what you're doing, your mission in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: So bear with me, guys, but this is going to help you understand why you really have to stick around to listen to her.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Brooke Baines.
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  SPEAKER_00: She will tell you there is no original thought.
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  SPEAKER_00: What is original is the person doing the sharing.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: I actually quoted your quote of this just yesterday with someone, by the way, which is so great.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: So then that is the difference between wellness, which you buy, and well-being, which you become.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's also about to become board certified in functional nutrition with a focus on traditional Chinese medicine.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am also obsessed with that subject.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is no separating the body from the mind from the work.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, guys, get ready.
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  SPEAKER_00: And she got diagnosed with cancer at 20.
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  SPEAKER_00: She got divorced at 37, left everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's so much we can talk about.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, Brooke, here we go.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just have to laugh.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love deep belly laughs, and it's so fun that that stuck out to you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm so honored that you used that quote because what is not my original thought also is yours for the taking.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And literally, I was talking to someone about it just yesterday about someone who wants to get into public speaking.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, you know, I have this friend.
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  SPEAKER_00: And she really, and I was like, you know what?
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think she's really right.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just like there isn't a lot of originality in life, maybe in the AI world, but other than that, there's just like kind of general, and even then, like on a general basis, there's not a lot of original thinking going on in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of it is what you bring to the table that makes it original.
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  SPEAKER_00: And only you can bring that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And only you can bring the experience in the background and how you see the world to the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so recognizing how unique we all are and the power in our uniqueness, I think, is really empowering for people.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think sometimes we forget.
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  SPEAKER_00: We don't feel like we have enough to contribute or enough to offer the world sometimes.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so I love that reminder.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that is probably the thread of why I don't believe and have experienced that there's no original thought and that really it is you that brings that richness to the conversation, is that we live in in societies where we need to fix it, fit into a box or swim in a swim lane or whatever jargon we put around it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And what people don't realize is that we all are having a shared experience.
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  SPEAKER_02: We have the same thoughts flow into us and then we tell different stories around those thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_02: And those stories can help us or they can actually take us down.
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  SPEAKER_02: But in those, in those realizations of the unoriginal thought that comes to us, it actually allows us to express our uniqueness and have a very shared, unoriginal experience with another person.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's where the connection comes from.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think in the age of AI, which is very controversial today after all of the news that has come out, but that is an opportunity for us to actually create more creativity, more connection, more shared human experiences, and let the robots do all the if this then that stuff that we don't need to do.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
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  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was what my newsletter was about this week was that just, you know, using AI for ways to make us more efficient and take a lot of the tasks out of our life.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: And but I had commented on the ways that I won't use AI, such as human interactions, such as responding to emails, responding to DMs, responding to people's comments on social media.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: I want to be the face.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: And if I get so big that I don't have time to respond to everybody, then I would rather just respond to a handful of people that do resonate with me and just not respond to the rest.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: But I would rather it always be me building that connection on social media with someone as opposed to an AI agent responding on my behalf.
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  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't feel very genuine.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: And just for me personally, everyone has their own take, but that is my take on it.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_02: I would argue that through our energetic connection across the globe, there is there is such a thing as space, but there is no space between us.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I believe that whether you see a picture that's not right because it's not real, or whether you read a response that like catches you and your body will tell you because it's not written by a human that has a sentient experience, people know the difference.
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  SPEAKER_02: Even if we can't in the moment say, ah, that's it.
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  SPEAKER_02: But we know we are so brilliant as human beings, and we have not even close to untapped into how vast and intelligent our mind, which is not the brain, really is.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I think this world of using AI to do the things that humans should do, or I don't like to shut all over myself, but the things that that humans can do that we're poised to do, I think we can tell the difference.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's going to be a differentiator in the new world we're in.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree.
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  SPEAKER_00: Totally agree.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna step backwards for a moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here, I want you to share some of your background and how you got to being an entrepreneur, you're working on flying, becoming a pilot, you're in the tech industry, you're working for an, I want to say an aerospace company.
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  SPEAKER_00: If I'm even getting that right, you can correct me.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're doing a lot of things.
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  SPEAKER_00: You coach, so you definitely help people a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you do coaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I would love to understand a little bit about your background, kind of how you grew up in the world and what led you to be where you are now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I, this is lofty and I know.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's lots.
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  SPEAKER_02: We all have so much.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I would say that this concept of entrepreneuring or entrepreneurism, I don't believe it's a title.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't believe it's a person.
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  SPEAKER_02: I believe it's a spirit.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's it's kind of at the basis of all of us.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like we like to make things.
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  SPEAKER_02: We like to make meaning.
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  SPEAKER_02: We like to create, we like to do these things.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then as we get older, usually after the age of seven, we start to breed all of that out and we start to fit ourselves into boxes until one day we're like, what?
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm not, I'm so much more than these things.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I share that because as a very little kid, I have always had this spirit of like, go forth and go, go create something to include being not even six and walking up to my neighborhood pool and wanting to sign myself up for swim team.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they looked at me like, uh, you need a parent for this.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then taking a babysitting class with the Red Cross in fifth grade, and then starting a babysitting club, right?
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_02: Those books were so fun.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so we did that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so that was like my first entrepreneurial endeavor, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so that idea of making new things and being vastly curious has been at the core of what shaped, I guess, my career.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I have come to realize like, I don't know that I have a career any longer, and I'm not sure I care about that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um actually, I'm sure I don't care about that.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I had a lot of years where I did, where I needed to be polished and I needed to fit into a box and I needed to have a title, and I needed to have all of these things that said, Brooke, you are okay because you have all of these achievements all over.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: So that had its own neuroticism.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_02: And it also propelled me to think I was gonna go into consulting right out of school.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: And then Anderson and Enron happened and I had jobs there.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: And all of a sudden the DOJ was like, well, these things can't exist together.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought, oh, I don't have a job any longer.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I called someone who was a mentor and I said, Hey, are there any jobs open?
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because I thought I was going here and now I'm going nowhere.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: And he said, Hey, I actually think Goldman Sachs and Archon Group is having interviews tomorrow.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think you can make it?
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Yeah, let's do it.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_02: So I share that because my whole career has been something like that, where it's like I thought I was going down one way and then there was a zag over here.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I and I just learned to flow with it.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's what allowed me to do a couple things.
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  SPEAKER_02: One, always flow within the career.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: I was a bit rigid because I'm like, well, I need the title and I need this and I need this and this.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: And that, you know, led me to at 27 getting a vice president role.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure anybody had any business given me that role.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: But it happened and it was in the mortgage finance industry in 2007.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_02: And wah wah, 2008 happened.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: And we were like, what is going on here?
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like we couldn't sell our product because nobody believed that trees wouldn't grow to the sky.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_02: This was with Core Logic.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then all of a sudden we had no clients, and then we had clients that were like, whoa, trees stopped growing.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_02: We need new stuff.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_02: And we went from a startup to an acquisition to a stock split split IPO.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_02: It was a wild ride.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_02: And so that has the this is kind of the journey of what allowed me to, at 37, walk away from it all to start over because I really don't think you ever start over.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_02: There's always a beginning and there's always an end.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_02: And we don't get to dictate when that happens.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: And so having fluidity within my own perfection and rigidity and like some of the nonsense that I look at my younger self and say, oh, bless her heart.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: What was she thinking?
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: That is what has now led me here to where I love to be able to work with the right aligned people and coach.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_02: And yes, I'm playing now in aviation after putting that dream down when I um got divorced.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like life had different plans.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: Piloting was not one of them.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_02: And picking that back up to learn such depth in this industry for general aviation, not commercial aviation, not yet, at least.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_02: And being able to see that this avian aviation technology component related to safety is no different than the well-being coaching that I do.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_02: It just happens with different people and we have different topics.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_02: And so that is where I have learned to open up the aperture to allow things to come into my sphere, choose them because I'm having so much fun, which was not at the center of my life for a long time.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_02: And from that place of joy and fun, it's like, ah, I have so much energy to do these things without burning myself out, which I have always also done.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: Is this a helpful way to kind of like dance in this career path that I have no name for?
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's so helpful because I I love you saying you have no name for it because I think I personally, as an entrepreneur and other entrepreneurs I know, we really struggle with like, well, what do I call myself?
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: Because I like a lot of things and I do a lot of things.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's like the things that you do to make money are not necessarily who you are or what you're passionate about or even what you're working on.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes it's really hard because marketers want to be like, where's the thread?
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: Where's the common thread?
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: How, how, who's your avatar?
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: How are they the same?
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes in these passions, they're just not.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like they're just not.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so I love that you normalize that for a lot of us that do a lot of different things, all of which we're passionate about, all of which we do either because we're passionate or because we're passionate and want to make money at it.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes we do stuff just because we enjoy it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Doesn't even have to be about the money, which is also beautiful.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I think you're a great example of just you flow.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I know the aviation stuff didn't start out as something that was going to be a job or real work for you either.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_02: No, not at all.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, a year ago, actually uh March of this year ago, I would never have thought that I would be doing what I'm doing right now.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I think like this, I liken it to uh uh this framework of that I use of purpose, um, invitation and and calling.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I, or it should be purpose calling, invitation.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: However, one of the most detrimental questions I think we ask ourselves, and I have asked myself this a lot, is what is my purpose?
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: And then I run around like a chicken with my head cut off, trying to figure out what is the one single purpose.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_02: And to your point, we are so passionate about so many things.
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  SPEAKER_02: When we stop long enough to pause and say, what is it I really enjoy in this life?
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: Every person on the planet I have ever met, when they stop long enough to answer that question, they just gush with so many things that maybe they've never tried, but they're but their spirit is saying, you gotta do this.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: So I think this idea of trying to find a purpose is actually creating quite a bit of depression and anxiety and a lot of things that keep people stuck in this, what I would say is a not helpful question.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: And so our purpose is to express ourselves fully and share ourselves with the world.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: And to do that, we get like little calls that tap us on the shoulder, or sometimes there are two by four that wake us up, or they're a semi that lay us flat, but they're all calls.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: And these calls come in to say, you want to try something out?
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: These are like thoughts.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: They're not original.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: They're asking us to do some things.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_02: And then we say, Yeah, I'm gonna take this in invitation and I'm gonna bring it in and I'm gonna do something with it.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: So this aviation company was an invitation.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_02: And at first, I actually resisted it because I'm like, well, no, I am doing, so I still fall into my own trap that I help people get out of, right?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like this is a never-ending thing.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I was like, but I'm doing this and I'm gonna coach and I'm gonna do this, and it's gonna be perfect.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I have this plan that plans are not my favorite thing to do any longer, but I still fall into plans and processes.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_02: And then this aviation thing came in, and I'm like, I don't know if I'm gonna have time.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm doing this, like, well, how will I fit it in?
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_02: And as soon as I stopped asking those questions, like it just fit in naturally.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't have to do anything.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: Everything conspired to be like, yeah, this is it.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: And these are also it.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: So your story is so fun.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: And you are like, if anyone doesn't follow you, I'm gonna tag all the stuff in this in the show notes that they can follow you.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: You are like you are the queen of yes.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yes to the experience, yes to let me go do, yes, let me go travel, yes, let me go try the scary things.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like you are just so yes.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm wondering though, if you could share what happened after you decided at 37 to leave the old box world.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: How did you go from that brook to this brook that's here right now?
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because I know there's a lot of work that happens in that 10-year period, and you don't just go from being one version that's living in a box that is following all the rules, to someone who's so free and open and says yes to everything.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: How did that transition happen?
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: This is the part I actually hope to talk about more because it's very dark and it is very painful.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_02: I will say, on the other side of all pain is joy.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't want to take anyone down.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: When I left that experience, um, it it makes me quite choked up because I really had lost myself.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: And I didn't know how much I lost myself.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: I started to see glimpses.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: It began in 2013 with a butterfly on my I have the picture of the butterfly I saw the next day on my phone.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: But it started then where I was I was on a walk with my dog who is no longer with us, um, and I saw something flapping around.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I walked up closer and it was a butterfly that was in distress.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: I sat down on the ground in the dirt, and my dog, who is a lab, was a lab, and could never sit still, laid down right next to me.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I just picked up this butterfly and I said, You're gonna live.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: And the tears came because I was clearly talking about myself.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: So my soul knew I was not on track.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: And this was 2013.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: I left this thing that I was in in 2016.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: So it took took some time.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: So feathers, two by fours, and semis, I got all three in that course.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so when I left in 2016, and I share that butterfly story because I sat with that butterfly crying, saying, You're gonna live, you're gonna live, you're gonna live over and over.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: I just rocked myself into a estate.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: And the butterfly at first did not look like it was gonna live.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: And then it started crawling up my arm and crawling down, and eventually, I think 30 minutes later, it flew away.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen a butterfly every day of my life since that day in 2013.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: Every day that gives me chills.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: So we are always supported.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: Might make me a little teary, but we are always supported in this universe.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: It does not matter the challenges that we are facing.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: We're not alone.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_02: And there is divinity at work.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: So when I um when I left in in 2016, end of 2016, I was a shell of a human being.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: Laughter not part of what I did.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: I was convinced there was so much wrong with me, and I had to fix everything, and surely I had just been a terrible human being.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: I had convinced myself.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, this is why I say that negative thoughts are the most addictive.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: Substance on the planet.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: And they will take us down.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: And we don't need to be taken down.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: Because we are here for a purpose.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: Our existence is part of the fabric of what unites humanity.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: And every single person here is here for a reason.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: And they are all teachers.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: And so, but I did not know that then.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: And so I walked into a very dark night of the soul.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember nights, I spent uh about a year and a half just showing up to work as a shell of a human being.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I had left a company that my my ex-husband and I built together that was our our sustenance.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, well, I have to leave just with nothing to start over for my own well-being.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't actually know what well-being was then that I talk about now because I had not become it.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: I was unwell.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: But I kept saying, I'm, I, I need to do this for my well-being.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I truly had no idea what that definition was.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: But somehow I was, you know, I was getting the messages.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: I just didn't know how to decipher them.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I spent a year and a half in celibacy, in just showing up to work, in writing.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: Eventually I literally put reading down.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: I put any compulsion down.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I sat in the void.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: And the void is a beautiful creative space, but it is fucking scary.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I didn't reach for anything.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I really, really forced myself to not reach for any tools I once knew, any habits I once had.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I was an avid athlete, like triathlete, you name it, before.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I was addicted.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: I was that wake up at four o'clock in the morning person that jumped in an ice bath that then went on some crazy run.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I was a nightmare.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: I was like a robot on all levels, right?
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, I gave it all up.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: It was like what I liken, and I have not ever had to give up a substance like a drug before.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: So I do not know what it's like for an alcoholic.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I would also say, from all of the work that I have done and the people that I have worked with, this type of addiction recovery is almost the same because our body conditions ourselves to these feelings that may not be, they might be total losing strategies, but they are what we know and they are familiar and they are really fucking hard to break.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_02: And they come back and they come back and they come back, and we feel like we get footing and then we get taken back down.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: And that is why this process has taken so long.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: We want immediate results.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: They don't come when you decide that you are going to give your life over to being open to the flow, to sitting in the void, to creating from nothing, to being in a place of I don't know.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: It gets harder, it gets more accelerated.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: The pace by which things get stripped away is sometimes so deafening that it feels like you might feel like you're crazy.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: You're not.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: It might feel like you can't keep anything going for long enough and that you're too all over the place.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: This is the design, my friends.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: This is the design.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: This is how it is meant to be.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_02: And we, as soon as we can break out of these boxes and realize there are no rules, nobody knows what they're doing.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_02: We are making it all up.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: And the importance is to keep the curiosity, to move forward, to play, to expand about the cabin beyond the cabin, beyond what we even know to push it in a way that we are shocked at how vastly powerful we are and how much we can change in a moment.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: That is the design.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I really believe that that is the grace that I was given when everything got stripped away.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I really went through creating my own living hell for a long time because I resisted a lot of it.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, my friend, thank you for sharing the raw and vulnerable truth because I think that is what people need to hear.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I think very often, especially when people are lost or they don't know, or they don't have the trust, or they don't have the openness, or they don't have the faith, and they don't have the people around them to support them.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: And all they might know is that this isn't working, but they don't even know where to go, what to do, how to change it.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I think having guests like you, I love because you're willing to share the messy and you're willing to share what it felt like and what it was like and how you were living through it, because there are so many people that are in that exact spot today that have no vision for what's gonna happen.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: And being able to say to those people, it is okay.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: You will be able to find your way out.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: It can get better.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: You are living proof that it can get better.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: You're living proof that you can rebuild, you can create, you can like when you said you had no laughter, I was like, oh my goodness, I feel like you laugh all the time.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like you are such a like you are just so full of laughter and light.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just it is your personality.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: It like exudes out of you.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: So it's hard to even imagine such a broken version of you because I only know the version now.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: But as you talk about it, I I can see that person.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen that person in other people.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I know it exists.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I thank you.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: I know it's hard and painful to think about that person before because it's impossible to talk about her and not feel her.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I appreciate you talking about it because I know it's hard to talk about because it brings all the emotions flooding right back of what it felt like to be in that space.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: But I do think that's the gift that you get to give of being able to say, I know what that feels like.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I can tell you with a hundred percent certainty there are other better ways, and you can do it.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: And everyone has, I think the thing I got the most out of everything you said is everyone has a reason for being here.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone has a value to contribute.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone is worthy of joy, happiness, laughter, connection, creativity, openness, light, feeling connected.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone is worthy of that.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that lesson sometimes unfortunately takes some real shit path to get to.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, it does.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: And it breaks my heart to see what is happening in the world close to me, in the world outside of me, because we have forgotten that joy is our birthright.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: This feeling of lightness is our birthright, and we can feel so light, even in the depths of the darkness, because that darkness is so important for creating enough contrast to help us move through and play the scales of these levels of consciousness.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: I am a big um fan of Dr.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: David Hawkins' work around the levels of consciousness.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: The thing that I think has been tough about that when I hear people talk about his work is that they think it's a hierarchy.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: And um, as a musician, I like to think of it as like playing the scales.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_02: As like we dance.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I have lived in sheer apathy and I have felt deep depression, and I have felt the jitteriness of anxiety, and I've felt the punch of pride and arrogance and blissfulness and unconditional love and pure logic.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like I have felt all of those.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, I think they're all so important in moving through these challenges that we are presented in order to learn.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: I an epiphany that I had uh recently, and again, every sage on the planet has said this.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: So this is not original thought.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_02: For me, what really happened is that all of these challenges, they are coming to us some more frequently and more acutely and painfully to help us learn the lesson so deeply and ingrain it so much in ourselves that we are able to come back and share it and teach it and help people not avoid the journey they're on.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: Because who am I to say this isn't what you need?
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_02: Too much coaching does that.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_02: And this is why I don't love the the coaching aspect, because I don't think any of us should interrupt somebody's trajectory, even if they are on a pathway to their own destruction.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: I do believe that people are so intelligent and have not even tapped into this intelligence that even in their own destruction, they are learning so much greatness and so much.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: And if we can help people see that there are ways to dance in this that might stop them right on the edge of that destruction, I do think that that's important.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why I think talking about this is is so critical and that living in the pain of apathy and not knowing and depression is a very transient state.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_02: It's not who we are, it's what is coming to us to teach us something in a way that we hopefully can integrate it and come back to share.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_02: It is a very Odyssean theme, right?
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, I know that's a big movie this year, and I still haven't seen it.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_02: I can't bring myself to sit for three hours and I haven't either.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway.
• 33:26
  unknown: Yeah.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_02: So I I I really think that this recognizing that our purpose is not one thing.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: We have a shared purpose.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's all to express ourselves.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: And we take these invitations and play.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_02: And it's okay to be a mess.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: And it is okay to have things just go terribly wrong.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: And the thing that I is a not good color on me is I like to do this stuff alone.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I convince myself I'm alone and I don't reach out to support.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: That is my walk to walk and change because I hope that through these conversations and whatever it is I put out there, that people can recognize they are never alone.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: They're not.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: No, they're never alone.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I love that you talk about purpose because I think sometimes people feel so purposeless.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: And so it feels like it's not grounding.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I always say to people, your purpose, like as far as I'm concerned, it can ebb and flow like year to year, month to month.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like, who says your purpose has to be so tied to this work thing that we do?
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: How about a purpose of inward being just a good human, contributing, giving back, feeling worthy, feeling like you're giving a gift to the world, feeling like you're helping someone else?
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like purpose can be defined in so many different ways, not just calling for a career.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: And even if it is for you, there's nothing wrong with that pivoting either.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: Just because it might feel purposeful at one stage of life to be in a certain career calling doesn't mean you can't pivot and go and do something else.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, of course you can.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe there's a calling to go do something else.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: So go, go do something else.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: Even if you're good at it.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: I always say to people, even if you're good at that thing.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: But if there's something else that's like pulling at your heart a little bit more, don't let the box that society has created for you that you just because you're good at it, you need to stay doing it.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that your purpose?
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's your call.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what do you mean you're not going to do that anymore?
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh no, it's okay.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: You're you're multifaceted, you're multidimensional.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot to humans.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, all the emotions, all the good, all the bad.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's all part of the whole equation.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and talk about an example right across the um the room from me.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_02: And you, you really your TED talk is brilliant.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I love that you put life, work, balance in that order.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: And talk about your point of like maybe you don't have to keep doing what you're good at because I know you were brilliant in your sales role.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_02: Brilliant.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_02: And you had so much more to share with this world.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: Thank God you realize that.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like you are a shining example of that.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_02: So I thank you.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for that.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: I do feel blessed to be able to share that with people and to get them to see that a pivot is okay.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think people are so afraid to change.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: Learning to be expansive and learning to be open to opportunities and, you know, like just trying something new, you know, it isn't so bad.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: We all learn and we grow.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: And the worst thing that can happen is you don't succeed at it the way you want.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't even like to say you failed because nothing is a failure.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: Everything is a lesson.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: Everything is a growth.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: You learn, you expose yourself to new people, you put yourself out there, you learn something about yourself.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: If it doesn't turn out the way you exactly planned, that's okay.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that's maybe that is the plan.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that is the plan.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: You're not here to create the plan, folks.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: So learn to start going with the flow of it.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: My stepmother always used to say, like, be one with the universe, everybody.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: Just like open yourself up and just go with the flow and stop trying to control absolutely everything.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I am a total control freak trying to not be a type A control freak.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: But it's hard, right?
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, hello, yes.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's so it's hard.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's work, folks.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta work at this every single day because that is just kind of, we spent more years living in that identity and that personality.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: So it is work every single day to not be that, but you don't have to be that.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: Well, this is this is how I came to the framework that I use, is exactly what you're saying, Jean.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's this idea that in every moment we are given the opportunity to rebalance.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_02: We won't go into the depths of Chinese medicine, but the idea of yin-yang theory is that you never actually have like utmost yang and utmost yin.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: You always have a moment where it is in balance and then it gets out of balance.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like, and our bodies work that way.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: We're constantly going through our own equilibrium, which, like I'm using, it's a flow or it's a, you know, an infinity sign.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, our heart pumps in an infinity sign.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_02: They know when a heart pace monitor is working properly, when the blood actually flows that way.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_02: So our entire design is about this like, we're gonna go to one side and then we're gonna come through the middle and we're gonna go to the other side.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not so much about having balance or knowing or the plan.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's about, I mean, plan, planning, great.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_02: As a verb, keep doing it because it's always gonna change.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: But this idea of being able to in the moment check in like, where is my balance and my thoughts and my emotions and my words and my behaviors?
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_02: And usually when you feel out of whack, like one or more of those things are out of balance, cool.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_02: Let's see it and then let's move back and know that it's gonna take you right back out because anything that just stays in balance actually, in true balance, actually doesn't move.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_02: We are emotion, energy, emotion.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: So we can't just stay balanced.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: If we did, this world would be freaking boring.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, what?
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: I love that you said that.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want to be boring.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: No, and I was boring for a long time.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: I think I heard you say that.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: That is exactly what I said in my TED talk.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: When I got fired, it was the first thing I realized was how boring I was.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was embarrassing.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, no wonder why I'm single and still single.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_00: Who wants to date me?
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: I am so boring.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: I had no interests, no passions, no nothing.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like there was just nothing, there was no me.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't even have a me like you.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm grateful that I didn't have this terrible rock bottom of I had a bottom, but my bottom was losing my job.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't this terrible relationship bottom, and it wasn't financially losing everything.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so my bottom was actually super cushy and very soft.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: But realizing that I did not have a me in my life at all was very like that was very low.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: That was a bottom of who am I even?
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what am I even doing here?
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: And like, why am I here?
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: Who am I?
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know who I am.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: And that that is a that is a journey.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: So you mentioned your framework.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to go back to that for a minute.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: Can you share what your framework is just at a really high level so people can understand that?
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: Because you do talk about that in your content and on your materials and stuff.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: So, what is your framework that you use to help people?
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I call it TEWB.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: It started in my marketing brain ness as living integrity and integrity not as a moral compass, but as an integration.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: So I sometimes will say living integrity, that's the marketer in me, but truth like T E W B, um, meaning thoughts, emotions, words, behaviors.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, I hope people are like, duh, that is so simple.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_02: And it is.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's not an original thought.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, not at all.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it it starts with kind of this framework of we'll say how the universe was created, right?
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: Whether you look at the Big Bang, whether you look at the Vedic texts, whether you look at the Iching or the Bhagavad Gita or any of the, or even the Bible, um, the Quran, you look at all of them.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_02: They have these different frameworks for the creation of the universe.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_02: And it usually starts with a thought form that moves its way down into a physical reality.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_02: So the TEWB follows that same concept.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like all things begin first in this very ethereal way.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I use thought because we are so easy, it's an easy one to come to because we are cognitive beings.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like we have prized that.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_02: However, if you look at different societies and different indigenous populations, there are populations where you ask, point to your mind, and they will go here to your heart.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_02: Some will say on their, on their stomach or their solar plexus that that's where the mind is.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Chinese medicine uh brings in the spleen and the stomach that is at the at the forefront of pensiveness as an emotion that doesn't serve us.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: Talk about, and it's connected directly to the brain.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: So talk about uh living in a world of high cognition and all of the GI disorders.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: There is a connection there.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_02: And so these thought forms come to us and they ask us: do we want to engage?
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: Do we want to dance?
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: Is this an idea that you want to play with?
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_02: Is this a thought that serves you?
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_02: And they're not original.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_02: We've all had the thoughts of, will I have enough money?
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_02: Will I be successful?
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: These are all questions, thoughts that nobody knows the answer to.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: We have a shared experience.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_02: What makes them unique is when we say, Yep, I like you, and I'm gonna put a story around it.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_02: So some of these thoughts and stories are brilliant.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_02: Go forth, be great.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oftentimes, then you go to the next level with your emotions and you've got emotions that come into play that we say, oh, I am angry.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well, are you angry?
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_02: Probably not.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have anger right now?
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_02: Probably.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_02: And is that serving you?
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, righteous anger can be do can do amazing things.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: But if this anger becomes a story linked to some past trauma and we re-engage the trauma, we actually aren't experiencing the original trauma.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: That doesn't exist any longer.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_02: What we're experiencing is the experience of an augmented trauma that may not be real.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_02: So I use the word, the words true but partial.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_02: Ah, great.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_02: So this idea of these thoughts and emotions, they live in places that we can't see, like radio waves.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: And those shape a lot of our initial form.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_02: And then those thoughts turn into the words that we speak on ourselves first and then on others.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_02: And those words are so powerful to create our entire existence.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_02: Now, thank God, we are not living in a reality where I think something and it appears.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_02: I know most of us want that with money.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_02: I do.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_02: I do.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: Can you imagine?
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_02: The negative thoughts or emotions that you've had, if in those moments, boom, they appear, can you imagine living that way?
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: Now, as energetic forms, we can get metaphysical.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_02: We do live that way.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_02: We might at one point in our existence live that way.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_02: So that's why these two ethereal things are so important.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_02: And then they move into our words that we speak.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_02: And these words, we always get to be right.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_02: Always.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_02: A hundred percent of the time I get to be right, even when shit, I don't want to be right.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_02: And then they move into the actions that we take.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_02: So when we want to reverse this, we got to start with the body and start to ask like, okay, what are the actions, the behaviors, the things that are happening in my system that are going on, that are influencing the words that are creating these emotions, that are having these thoughts?
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_02: And so I use this framework in the same way that I like to play scales of the piano to help people understand like, where are things aligned, misaligned, balanced, imbalanced in your work, in this massive leap you're trying to make, in your relationship that you think needs to change in order for something to happen.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_02: Nope, it's all us.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_02: We live in our own world.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_02: There's trillions of worlds on this planet all bumping into one another.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and what I love about your framework and how you help people is yes, it's simple.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like their concepts people can grasp, they can understand them, everyone can relate, it can apply to everyone, it can apply to every situation, any facet of human life.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: But so much of it stems from an awareness within.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you don't have the awareness within none of that is possible.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_02: So true.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_02: So true.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_02: And it's so highly personalized.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's where it becomes it becomes simple but not easy.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sure.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where coaching is yes, you have a framework, but then every person is different and how they go about it is different, and how they process it and how they move through it and how they handle it.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's all different.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: And something that might cause a very extreme negative emotion for one person might cause a positive emotion for somebody else.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's all all different, you know.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: The thought of having endless money to some people is absolutely terrifying.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, it's like that's just terrifying depending on how they are their upbringing and their background and what they bring to the table and their past experiences.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_02: And healing around money, whew, that's probably a whole different topic, Mike.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: And everyone has money issues.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: There's no one on the planet that doesn't have money issues.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_00: So we all have money issues and we all have issues with how we were raised.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: So like get it out there.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody does.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_00: We all do.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: And we all have negative mantor.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody has it.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone has the negative thoughts that are happening in their mind.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: So you're not unique if you have if you have that.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone has that.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: So just admit it and figure out how to deal with it.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: So before we run out of time, what is a typical day look like for you?
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you know, I'm actually trying to figure this out right now.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I I just hired um an assistant.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_02: And like this is gonna game change my life, I believe, because my typical day is I'm consistent in the way that I show up to create content.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm having so much fun with you and all of the people that are part of Sunrise.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, what a breath of fresh air.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I love that consistency.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_02: I do play hooky on occasion so that I can go do something, but I am consistent in getting it out there and then re-engaging and being part of the community.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_02: So that is a consistency.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_02: But my days, you know, I get at I get eight hours of sleep every night.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_02: And it is restful sleep and I love it and I do not compromise on that.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_02: And then I wake up and I I have a ritual before I put any feet on the ground where I welcome myself back into the world and I say, I am so grateful you are here today.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_02: And then I take some deep breaths and I set my energy and I allow myself to like wake up in a place where I have seen the way that I want my day to go.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't always go that way, by the way, but I have seen the way I want it to go.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I have like checked in with like, is all my energy really my energy?
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I've welcomed myself back in and said, gosh, I I really love being in your company, Brooke.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like I dated myself at one point when I realized I was not dateable.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um and so I um it's so fun.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_02: So so then I kind of move in and sometimes do this, sometimes not, but I try to spend the first hour of my day not in any technology.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_02: And then I split my days right now between the coaching.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of my coaching, I want to move more into one to many so that I can spend the time on aviation plus do the power sessions, which I've found are great ways to get in and do some work with people.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_02: And so I am right now because I didn't expect the aviation work to come into be um to be more of my daily experience.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to figure out my day right now.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_02: So, like actually, if your listeners have tips, I would love some because I'm still figuring this out.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_02: The one thing that I want to get better at is having lunch.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'm still really bad at that from my corporate days.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_02: My goodness.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like that is the hardest meal.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_02: And breakfast and lunch are my favorite meals.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_02: I do love dinner because it's communal, but man, breakfast and lunch.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_02: So I never skip breakfast either.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_02: But then in my evenings, I really love to by about eight o'clock have no devices, no screens.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_02: I love to, I love to read.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, sometimes I'll just put on music and I will dance, go out and get a walk, but I try to like limit my devices at night because I find that if I take them too close to when I go to sleep, then I'm jittery when I go to bed.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't like that feeling.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I actually think a lot of people might mistake jitteriness and anxiety around bed with being their emotions when it's actually our devices kind of create that with the blue lights and things like that.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so my day's fluid right now.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that's my life.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: But you know what?
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: But that's so beautiful.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: You're ebbing and flowing.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: And also with your coaching, you're ebbing and flowing based on you're not being stuck to this is how I coach people.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so you said one thing.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to not say this comment to everybody.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_00: So there is a discount code in the notes for anybody.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: Brooke is kindly offering 50% off her power sesh offering.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna put all the details about that in the show notes.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're interested, you can definitely reach out to her and she will give you a discount by watching her on this show to just that's a great introduction to the help that she can offer to someone.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you so much also for that code.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate that.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's wonderful.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I am honored and I hope that even one session does it for someone.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's really we are so powerful when we give ourselves the opportunity.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_00: So we are, we are exactly.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes it's just helpful to have someone guide us and to point out things that or just the energy I have found also from a coaching perspective, sometimes the the answers just come to me just because I'm energetically with someone who's holding space for those answers to come.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so there is something very powerful just in the energy of sitting and holding space with someone who's trained to hold the space to allow some of those things to rise up to the surface within myself.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: I've found that from coaching to be incredibly helpful.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_02: Oh me too.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, even sitting with you today, I can just feel the upliftment and like there are things that are coming that I don't even have words for.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_02: So it really does, it makes such a difference and you really do hold a beautiful space.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_02: I I I hope you know that.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate that.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, before we go, have I missed anything?
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: Or is there anything that we didn't talk about that we want to make sure we get?
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_00: You and I could talk for hours, by the way.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_00: But not everybody has enough time to listen to us.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: So that's true.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna try to get a go do that.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna wrap this one up.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_00: But um, is there anything that we didn't talk about that you think is so that we miss that's so critical?
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: I can imagine there probably is.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_02: And this feels like such a complete session in terms of just like what we got into.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I love to ask my guests to recommend a book that has impacted them personally or professionally.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I know you read a lot.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: And you also, by the way, read things that were written hundreds of years ago as your normal form of reading.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: But I will tell you, you are not the first guest who has said that.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_00: I've had I had a male guest on who's actually written several books.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: And when he was at his low in life, he went back and started reading books from hundreds of years ago, and he found that the books that are written now, so many of the same principles of books written hundreds of years ago exist in the books now, which totally ties to your thing, like there's not an original thought.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_00: So, but you're not the first guest who said they've gone back and read books from hundreds of years ago as part of their journey towards feeling connected to themselves and connected to this universe.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: So, what's your book?
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna give you the one that is I get come back to it.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_02: I read it every single year, and every single year it reads differently.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_02: And it is the Bhagavad Gita.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: I've never read it.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_02: It is it is this, it's actually a brilliant piece of poetry that was stuck in the middle of actually the oldest epic.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_02: Now we say Beowulf is the oldest epic in the Western tradition, but in from a date standpoint, um, the Marabharata is the oldest epic.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_02: And it is this journey that some scientists and scholars have actually said perhaps this place did exist, and perhaps there was an atomic-like war that happened that um wiped out a civilization.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_02: So it's so interesting that, you know, often fiction, you know, breeds reality.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_02: And so the Bhagavad Gita is written as a piece of poetry in the middle of this war-torn epic.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_02: And it talks about this um spiritual journey of a warrior named Arjuna who meets Krishna.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_02: And Krishna is an embodiment or an aspect of God, um, a characteristic of God.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's not God, but it's a way of talking about that which we have a hard time describing.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_02: And so this is such a beautiful book.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_02: And this scholar who is no longer um living, his name's Eknath Iswaran.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_02: He has such a brilliant commentary.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'll send you a picture of the book so you can see it.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_02: That'd be good.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_02: But his commentary is lovely because it's not commentary in the this is what you should believe.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's commentary in the here are the things that were going on, so that you, when you read these verses, you can get the poetry and you can understand the symbolism and you can understand the factual context of them.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_02: So it is by far one of the texts that had just has truly impacted my life.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_02: But I could go on and on about these ancient texts, but I am I love reading new stuff too.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm reading the creative ract right now, and my mind is being blown.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, good for you.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_00: Good for you.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_02: Bananas.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, okay.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: We will put those books in the show notes.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: We'll put everything in the show notes so people know how to follow you, how to find you, how to work with you.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_00: Brooke, I thank you so much.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_00: I just, your energy for me is just so amazing.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I thank you for being vulnerable, sharing your story.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_00: I hope it helps and inspires people.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_00: I know it will.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I thank you for being just such an incredible human, being part of my life and sharing your story, being willing to share your story with a broader audience.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you so much for being a fabulous guest.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, Jean.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_02: This has been amazing.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_00: You're so welcome.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: Have a beautiful day, everybody.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for joining us for this week's episode of Building the Best You.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_00: If you are ready to take a deeper dive into transforming your life, check out my Empowerment Fundamentals course on my website, houseofgermar.com.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, and I will see you next week with another inspiring guest.