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Hey, let's get into today's show. Today we're going to come to well,
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probably one of the most common objections to Catholicism. It's um, it's
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really based on confusion on the part of Protestants, and while many of them
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are very well meaning, the answer to the question is so simple that perhaps
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it's hard for them to swallow because it's just so obvious. All right,
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So it's on the topic of saints and angels and statues. I mean,
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one of the most common kind of condemnations of Catholicism by Protestants is the claim
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that Catholics worship Mary, saints and angels are not Jesus, and that Catholics
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are idle worshipers they worship statues. Well. Neither accusations true. Such arges
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are simply based in ignorance, but it's amazing how widespread such beliefs are.
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Even really well meaning Protestants who don't have any strong negative feelings to work Catholicism
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will ask why we worship saints and angels and statues out of genuine curiosity.
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Other times, such mistaken beliefs had led to like the Iconoclass movement, in
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which historic churches and cemeteries have been vandalized and some of the most beautiful works
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of devotional and religious art destroyed due to ignorance and bigotry. I don't really
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believe most Protestants doubt the existence of saints, although some, such as my
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professor at a certain Baptist university did. Saints are mentioned so many times on
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the Bible that it would be very hard to understand how anyone who bases their
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belief on the sole authority the Bible could be ignorant at them. Some Protestants
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such as well, it's common, I think in most Presbyterian churches, at
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least the ones that I've been in. I did go to a Presbyterian college
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for a couple of semesters, and some Methodist churches I was a Methodist youth
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minister for a bit claim that all Christians are saints. They believe that the
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Saints, whether living on earth or eternity alive in Heaven, are no more
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special than anyone else. That's not really a traditional Prisestant idea, though the
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more traditional Prosestant beliefs seems to be that there are certain people who are more
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holy and more devout than others, whose devotion is established a special relationship with
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God and are rightly called saints. But such Protestant denominations deny that the saints
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in heaven can hear are prayers, are aware of what goes on here on
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earth. Frankly, there's no biblical evidence for any of these positions. You
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can't say that those beliefs are based on anything in the Bible. As for
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angel, most Protestants maintained that while certain angels, such as the Angel Gabriel,
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may have been a messenger of God when he announced to the blessed Virgin
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Mary that she would give birth to Jesus, they say these things no longer
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happen. They don't believe an angel can hear our prayers or that they have
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any direct role in our lives. It's actually also unbiblical. I mean,
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you know, Jesus Christ himself said that, you know, when he warned
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people not to hurt children, he said, they're angels witnessed before you know,
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the Father daily advocating on their behalf. We each have a guardian angel.
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It's a very biblical belief, and to disbelieve the role of angels isn't
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biblical whatsoever, especially if you have a complete Bible, a complete Bible,
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Catholic Bible, which includes books such as the Book of Tobit and which you
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know, the archangel Raphael comes and helps out to devout Jew Tobitt and his
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family and says that you know, he heard the prayers of that family and
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advocated for them to the Father and came to help them. That's that's actually
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what the Bible says. That Bible book of the Bible's cut out mainly because
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you know, Martin Luther one didn't like the idea that this family was particularly
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favored by God because they did a lot of charity and buried the dead and
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risked their lives to do so, and when the Jews were being persecuted,
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but also because of the interaction between angels and humans on earth, which is
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truly part of Christian tradition and it's a very beautiful part of our doctrine,
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and I don't see why any Protestant would not wish to believe it. It
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is literally a great just grace. I mean, to realize that you have
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an angel that is assigned to you, you know, before you're born,
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when you're actually still in the womb, who's praying for you and trying to
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help you and guide you and advocate for you, and who is shares your
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sorrows and who shares your joys. That's part of the family of God.
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And that's actually very biblical, and you know, part of the both Jewish
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and Christian tradition, actually part of the Islamic tradition, part of all the
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Abrahamic traditions, that the angels have this role in our lives. To deny
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that is what's unreasonable. It's not founded in anything other than anti Catholic bigotry
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and just plain ignorance, just pure ignorance. I mean, Jesus said it.
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Jesus said, do you not know that each of these children have an
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angel who is you know, advocating on their behalf before your father in heaven.
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I don't have the exact words in front of me. We'll get to
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it when we get to that passage of the Bible. If you believe the
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Bible and you believe the words of Jesus, you really should believe in the
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active role of angels. Angels are not people who die and go to heaven.
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Angels are not humans. That's that's another like really odd Protestant belief that
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when you die and go to heaven, you become an angel. That's not
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in the Bible. Now. The angels were created before the human race.
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We know that because the story of creation in Genesis tells us that one of
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the angels, you know, Lucifer Satan, rebelled against God and took with
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him about a third of the other angels that rebelled against God. They are
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now the demons who try to destroy the human race. Because God created humanity
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to rectify creation, to bring everything back into order, we have angels.
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We have demons who try to harm us, and angels who try to protect
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us and save us. And it's very real. If we had one moment
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of clarity, we would see them all around us. And many saints have
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and you know, some have been absolutely terrified by the visions of demons,
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which is a very real thing and it's not superstition whatsoever. And they have
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been just as much comforted by the existence of angels, like Saint Michael,
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the archangel who protects us from evil. And we can talk to them anytime
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I want to. They're right here with us. Heaven and Earth merge because
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you know, heaven exists outside of time. They're right here we can talk
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to them, We can ask for their protection, we can ask for them
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to pray for us. That's all you do when you pray to an angel,
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you say, Saint Michael, the Archangel, pray for me, just
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as you would ask your brother, your sister, your mother, your father,
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your neighbor to pray for you. There's nothing unbiblical about that whatsoever.
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The Bible makes quite clear that God does give special graces to certain Christians who
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lives, especially holy and about lives. Several saints perform miracles during their lives
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and after death, and as recorded in the Bible, some were preserved from
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death assumed into Heaven without experiencing deaths, such as Enoch and Elijah. You
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know our Catholic tradition, tradition passed on by the apostles to their followers.
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That isn't necessarily written down in the Bible, because the Bible, as the
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Bible states, is just written so that you may believe. It does not
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contain all the words or deeds of g It does not contain everything that happened
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that the Apostles didn't said after the close of the Bible that actually has said.
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It's written in the Bible. Okay, our Catholic tradition tells us that
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the blessed Virgin Mary was assumed into heaven. She was the mother of God.
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Through Jesus, death was conquered. It's only appropriate that his mother,
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who carried him and raised him through whom God came to earth, would be
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preserved from death because she lived without sin. The angel Gabriel addressed her as
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full of grace before Jesus even entered the world. There's only one person on
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earth that had the grace given through Jesus before Jesus was even incarnate, and
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that's the blessed Virgin Mary. She was assumed bodily into heaven and never suffered
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death. Why is it so hard to believe Enoch and Elijah to the exact
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same, I mean, it actually says that can happen in the Bible.
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Protestants get all worked up about what doesn't say that in the Bible? Well,
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it did too for Enoch and Elijah. Why wouldn't you think it would
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happen in another time, especially in the case of the most special, fully
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human being that ever walk the face of the earth, who gave birth to
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God. She is the mother of God. Do you not think God would
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have a special feeling for his mother. Do you not think his mother and
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He had a special relationship that no two people on earth will ever experience.
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Well, do you think if you're a mother, do you think you and
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your child have a special relationship? What if that child was God? I
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mean, put it in human terms, it's pretty pretty hard not to not
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to understand. Really special graces have been granted to the Christian martyrs. They
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have a unique position in heaven. You know, read the Book of Revelation.
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We'll get into that the martyrs was in the white robes continually, you
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know, before the throne of God. The Bible also makes clear the role
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of angels not only as messengers of God, but as beings who advocate for
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each of us and for the church. You know, the again, Book
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of Revelations talks about the angel of the Church of wherever. I don't remember
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all the names of the church in the Book of the Revelations, but we
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get to it. Each one had an angel whose role was actually to protect
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and guide that church. You can either believe that's true, or you can
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disbelieve the Bible, in which case, if you're a Protestant who believes in
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the sole authority the Bible, You have no foundation for your religion. I
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think perhaps the biggest mistake process make is that they seem to think there's some
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how, some kind of competition in heaven. I mean, it's really weird.
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They think that if you ask an angel or a saint to pray for
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you, somehow it takes something away from Jesus. That's ridiculous on its face.
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They always say there's one mediator between God and man, Jesus Christ.
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Well, okay, but how does asking someone to pray for you make them
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a mediator? Just asking your living relative to pray for you somehow take rob
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God of the honor due him. When Saint Paul asked for others to pray
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for him, to that insult God. No, we are one body in
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Christ, each member supporting the other, and nowhere is that more true than
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heaven. Catholics never worship saints or angels. We venerate them, which means
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showing them the respect they are due for either living a holy life or being
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holy angels. We pray to them just as we would talk to a living
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person on earth. We worship God alone. We pray to saints and angels
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asking them to pray for us. We do that because we are all family,
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and we do that because the Bible tells us that their roles in heaven
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are to worship God and to pray for us. Earthly death does not make
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them love us less. Quite the opposite, They love us more and have
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more care for us. What does the Bible say about saints and angels.
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Let's just I don't know how far I can go into this today. We'll
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start with the Gospel of Matthew. You know, Matthew, Mark, Luke,
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and John You got to stay at the beginning, right Matthew eighteen ten.
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See, they never despise any of these little ones, for I tell
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you that their angels in heaven are constantly in the presence of my father in
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heaven. My Protestant friends, Jesus Christ just said that every single person born
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into this world, every child, every adult, has an angel in heaven
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continually in the presence of his Father advocating for each individual. You have a
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guardian angel. It's high time to admit it and to start a conversation with
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that guardian angel. If you haven't already. It's not superstition. If Jesus
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liftey isn't God Matthew twenty two, thirty one through through thirty two. As
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for the resurrection of the dead, have you never heard what God himself said
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to you. I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac,
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and the God of Jacob. He is the God not of the dead,
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but of the living. Those in heaven are more alive than we are here
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on earth, says later in the Bible. They become like God, they
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become like Jesus. You can pray to Jesus. He can hear your prayers.
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You can pray to a saint. They can hear your prayers. Saint
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is not God. You can talk to the saint because they are alive.
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They're as present and alive as your brother or sister sitting next to you.
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All you have to do is speak to them and ask please pray for me,
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and they will pray for you as a member of your family. And
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the Bible says God, here's the prayer of the righteous man. We know
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the people in heaven are righteous, or else they're not in heaven Mark twelve,
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twenty six or twenty seven. You know about the rising again? Have
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you never read in the Book of Moses in the passage about the Bush,
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how God spoke to him, said, I am the God of Abraham,
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the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. He is not the
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God of the dead, but the God of the living. You are very
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much mistaken that when someone tells you that the saints are dead, they can't
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hear you. Britain, they are very much mistaken, Moses, Abraham,
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you know, Saint Joseph, Saint Mary, to all the Holy Apostles.
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You know if your grandmother was a particularly saintly person. She's alive in heaven.
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That's what we believe as Christians, and she will pray for you because
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she still loves you. Next, we're going to get into the passage from
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Luke about Lazarus and the rich Man. This passage gives evidence that the dead
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who are not saints, even the ones who are not saints, continue to
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care about the living and advocate for their loved ones. This is also this
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is also evidence of purgatory, as the rich Man could not have been in
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hell given the nature of this passage. Hell is the absence of God and
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love. The souls in hell have rejected love and are entirely self consumed.
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They don't hear God, they don't listen to God, and they don't care
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about anything but themselves and their own suffering. For the rich man to be
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able to speak with Abraham indicates that he was in a place entirely different from
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Hell, and that place where faithful Jews were before Jesus opened Heaven following his
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crucifixion, was within sight. We read the story of the Crucifixion, the
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death of Jesus, the resurrection. He went and ministered to the dead.
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He opened the gates of heaven. We know that Moses, in Abraham and
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all the prophets were not in Hell. Okay, the Bible tells a set
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but Heaven had not been yet opened. There is, by definition, just
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from the plain reading of the Old Testament, a third place. The early
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Church fathers caught it Limba. It was a place between heaven and Hell,
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where the faithful Jews were before Jesus opened Heaven. There is certainly a third
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state of being. Catholics call it purgatory, where one works out their venial
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sins and their attachments to creation to the world before they can enter heaven.
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Because Jesus said nothing Impurican inner heaven if someone is a believing Christian. If
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someone loves God with all their heart and their neighbor as themselves, but they
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have committed some sin, that sin has to be paid for, as Jesus
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said, you know, you will pay every penny. He compared purgatory to
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a debtor's prison before that soul can interpurgatory. You know, we can have
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that discussion another day. I know Protestants don't believe that, but it's very
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biblical. It was believed by the Jews before Christianity, and it's it's actually
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Unchristian to believe otherwise because it puts one in the position of saying, either
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Jesus lied when he said nothing impurican inner heaven, because you can commit a
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sin and so have that sin on your conscience and enter heaven, in which
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case Jesus isn't God, or Jesus actually said what he meant and say.
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The Book of Maccabees that Martin Luther cut out of the Bible because it mentioned
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praying for the dead was right when it said we should pray for the dead
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for the repose of their souls because they may they're not in hell, because
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they're not evil people. They haven't rejected God, they didn't die in a
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state of mortal sin. But they can't enter heaven until they're purged of their
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venal sin and their attachments to sin or to love of the creation over the
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Creator. You know, think about that a little bit and you'll kind of
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figure it out. This passage in Luke is actually quite meaningful. Then if
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we think that the rich man who wasn't necessarily a bad man, according to
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this book of the Bible, he may not even been aware of lazarus sufferings,
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but he did not fulfill his role of charity to take care of the
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poor. You know, surprise, Martin Luther didn't cut this book out because
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that's one of the works Christians are commanded to do, which is to give
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alms to take care of the poor. But you really have to realize that,
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you know, this totally indicates that he was in a place different from
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Hell. You know. Just to wrap that up, I guess I'll just
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quote what Matthew. I think it was a book of Matthew. Amen,
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I say to thee, thou shalt not get out from Vince until thou'll pay
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the last farthing. It's what Jesus said, and Saint Paul as that many
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shall be saved as yet by fire. Purgatory is considered a place of purgation,
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a clean fire. That's Book and Corinthians. But Luke said, there
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was a rich man. He used to dress in purple and fine linen,
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and feast magnificently every day. And at his gate there used to lie a
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poor man called Lazarus, covered with sores, who longed to fill himself with
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what fell from the rich man's table. Even dogs came and licked his swords.
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Now it happened that the poor man died and was carried away by the
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angels into Abraham's embrace. The rich man also died and was buried in his
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torment in Hades. He looked up and saw Abraham a long way off,
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with Lazarus in his embrace. Remember used to be called the bosom of Abraham.
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That's where people were before the gates of heaven were open. No one
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could go to heaven until Jesus was crucified and resurrected. The faithful Jews rested
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in the Bosom of Abraham. So he cried out, Father Abraham, pity
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me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in cool water,
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and who cool my tongue? For I am in agony in these flames.
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Abraham said, my son, Remember that during your life you had your feel
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of good things, and Lazarus had his feel of bad. Now he is
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being comforted here while you are in agony. But that is not all between
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us and you. There is a great gulf, A great golf has been
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fixed to prevent those who want to cross from your side to hours, or
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from our side to yours. So he said, father, I beg you
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then send Lazarus to my father's house, since I have five brothers, to
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give them warning that they did not come to this place of torment too.
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Abraham said, they have Moses and the Prophets. Let them listen to them.
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Rich Man plied, I know, Father Abraham, but if someone comes
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to them from the dead, they will repent. And Abraham said to them,
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if they will not listen either to Moses of the prophets, they would
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not be convinced even if someone should rise from the dead. Very meaningful passage
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in so many ways. Here's a man who is not in heaven. It
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says that right there scissors in hades, right he's not resting in the bosom
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of Abraham because there's a chasm between him and the faithful Jews of the time.
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He's not in the depths of Hell because he can see Abraham, he
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can speak to him, and there's a complete utter separation. It's also mentioned
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fire fire, as Saint Paul said, many cells shall be saved, yet
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as so by fire. Fire is a sign of purgation. While we talk
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about the fires of Hell, many saints who have had visions of Hell say
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it is more like a place of freezing and ice. It's a cold place
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where people are entirely turned in on themselves, in dark and anguish. They
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don't care about other people, and they're not communicating with other people. They're
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totally consumed by themselves. Well, that makes sense, doesn't it. The
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rebellion of Satan against God was Satan said he would worship himself as his own
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God. Those who reject God essentially become like Satan, and any any modern
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Satanists, any devil worship are right. We'll tell you right now. They
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don't worship Satan. They worship themselves. They make themselves their own God.
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The rejection of God is the rejection of love. The rejection of love is
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the rejection of joy and warmth and kindness, and so hell would be this
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dark, cold, horrible place where people were entirely soon consumed with their own
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suffering, which is actually brought about by their unselfishness. So we see that
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the rich man, we know he wasn't in heaven. Okay, anybody can
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admit that, because the Bible says it. Okay, But here we see
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that he still has concern for his family. So will weave the question of
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purgatory for another day. You can believe it or disbelieve it. If you're
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Protestant, if you're a Catholic, you have to believe it. It's part
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of Catholic doctrine, and it's very biblically based. It's very based in the
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Christian and Judaic tradition, and it's very true. But if for this moment
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you can't accept it, here you see in the Bible is a dead man,
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still conscious, talking with a saint who is Abraham, and asking send
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someone to talk to my family so they don't suffer the same fate. The
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Protestant belief that somehow the people in heaven no longer care about their living relatives
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on earth is not only biblically unsound, it's logically unsound. We are the
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family and the body of God, the living body of God. Those on
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earth are part of the family, just as those in heaven are part of
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the family. The very essence of God is love and care. The thought
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that people in heaven would cease to care about their loved ones and cease to
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pray for their loved ones is well, it's it's illogical if you believe it
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in the afterlife, and it's actually incompatible with Christian belief and doctrine. What
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do you think they're doing up there, just having some kind of big party.
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Nothing in the Bible says that. It says they pray for God,
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they adore God, and pray for us here on earth. It says that.
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In Book of Revelations it says they witness for us. There's a great
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cloud of witnesses. As Saint Paul said, who do you think this cloud
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of witnesses is? If they can witness us, they're aware of what we're
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doing. Are they somehow cut off in heaven? You think they're in some
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kind of dark closet somewhere they put you know, blindfolds on, and they
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can't see us here on earth anymore. Nothing in the Bible says at all.
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I mean, that is completely illogical and it's unbiblical. Luke twenty says,
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as Moses himself implies that the dead rise again. In the passage about
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the Bush, he calls the Lord, the God of Abraham, the God
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of Isaac, the God of Jacob. Now he is God, not of
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the dead, but of the living. For to him everyone is alive.
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You see. To God, everyone is alive in heaven and on earth.
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And those in heaven, as we will later read, become like God and
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like the angels who are very aware of what we do here on earth and
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who advocate for us. I know that's hard to understand. I said this
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to a whelming Protestant lady a couple maybe a year ago. I said,
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she was asking about this very thing. I said, well, you know,
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those in heaven become like Jesus. And she said, I cannot believe
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that. You know, Jesus is God. And I said, but no,
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this is what the Bible said. This is actually what the Bible says,
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we take on somewhat of the divine nature. It doesn't mean we become
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God. It means we become like God in that we become filled with love
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and are no longer part of time outside of time. Just as Jesus can
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hear our prayers soak in the saints and probably won't get to it tonight.
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There's a lot more to go on what the Bible says about saints. This
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is going to be a two parter, or at least probably a three partter.
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But the Bible does actually says, you know, Jesus said you must
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become perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect. Other places in the Bible,
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which we'll get two next time, says that those saints in heaven become like
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the angels in certain regards, and then we get to the Book of Revelation,
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which says they are witnessing and praying for us. So it's if you
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believe the Bible, you have no foundation to deny that the saints in heaven
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here our prayers and praying for us. You have absolutely no reason to deny
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that the angels are in heaven advocating for us, hearing our prayers and praying
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for us, because Jesus Christ himself said it about the children. That kind
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of wraps up the Gospels. Next we can get into Acts Corinthians and all
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that, and you know, show's gone a half hour. May as well
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wrap it up here and pick up tomorrow, and you know, we'll try
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to finish up the New Testament, maybe pull a couple verses from the Old
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Testament. As I said, Maccabees is very clear. Several books in the
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Old Testament will attest to this. And then we'll get into what the early
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church fathers said about it. What did the people actually learn from Jesus and
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the apostles believe? What did they write down after the close of the Bible.
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It's an interesting subject, and it's an odd it's a stupid division.
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Protestants should believe in angels and saints just as Catholics do, even if they
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can't accept the authority of the Catholic Church, because the Bible says it.
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And in so doing, I think the world would be a whole lot better
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place, a whole lot better place. We need the help of the angels
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and saints. That's part of the body of Christ. And if you know,
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if I can convince a whole lot of Protestants to realize that they have
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a guardian angel, and that their relatives in heaven are praying for them,
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and the whole family of God, which is way beyond your nuclear family,
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your immediate family, is actually loves you and is advocating for you, and
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is praying for you in heaven, just as you might ask your friend or
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your brother, or your sister or your mother to pray for you. You
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know, maybe you would lead to a whole lot less strife, a whole
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lot less division. I mean again, I believe it, Saint Paul.
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I think we'll get to it tomorrow pretty quickly. Are you not aware that
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we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses. If the saints and angels
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in heaven cannot see us and hear us, then how can they be a
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cloud of witnesses? And if they don't care about us, how can they
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be Christians? Because to be a Christian is to love your neighbor as yourself
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and God with all your heart. And they are certainly alive. I just
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read from each of the four Gospels where it's says God is the God of
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the living and not of the dead. So it takes nothing away from Jesus
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for you to pray for your brother or sister or a friend. In fact,
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it builds up the body of Christ. And how much more so when
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it says God hears the prayers of the righteous, and the righteous of those
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who are in heaven, we should all be building each other up. That
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is sort of the whole message of Christianity. Love God with all your heart,
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and your neighbor as yourself, and there is an afterlife, and the
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words of Saint Padre Po. Y'all pray, hope and don't worry. Have
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a good one, and I would talk to you tomorrow.