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Jim Covert: Untold Stories of Bears Super Bowl Shuffle, Walter Payton's best pranks, Journey to Healthcare CEO · NFL explained.

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  Speaker 1: He's a pain in the ass.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: On the field, he's a pain in the ass. And
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  Speaker 1: so I'm blocking Richard and boom, I get run into behind,
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  Speaker 1: you know, by McMichael, and I go, what's your problem? Man?
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  Speaker 1: He goes, your damn buddy pushed you into me. What
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  Speaker 1: the you gonna do about it anyway? You know? And
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  Speaker 1: that's how things started, you know. And so I just
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just grabbed him, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was wrestled, you know. So uh, I just did
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  Speaker 1: kind of ladder drop on him, and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I got him down, and I got him pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: What's up, everybody? I'm peanut to him?
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  Speaker 4: And this is the NFL Player's second X podcast with me,
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  Speaker 4: as always my trusty co hosts Roman.
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  Speaker 3: I cannot golf Harper.
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  Speaker 5: Well, now you're just telling him lies. So we're gonna
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  Speaker 5: move on and get straight to our guests.
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  Speaker 4: This guy is a Hall of Fame tackle, two time
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  Speaker 4: first team All Pro, two time Pro Bowler, super Bowl
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  Speaker 4: winning champion with the Chicago Bears in nineteen eighty five.
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  Speaker 4: He is a healthcare executive. Please welcome to the pot,
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  Speaker 4: mister Jim.
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  Speaker 1: Covet pot to the pot. Thank you. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: energy going on here. I like it. It's trying to
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  Speaker 1: all day one podcast one.
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  Speaker 3: He does not on hour five.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we're trying to get.
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  Speaker 3: They normally get. They normally get. So we do about
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  Speaker 3: we come to.
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  Speaker 4: These and we do about twenty pods. Like after like seventeen,
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  Speaker 4: I start to kind of get a little tired, and
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  Speaker 4: the producer he's kind of looking at me and he's
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  Speaker 4: texting me.
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  Speaker 3: Over there, mister Thomas. Mister Thomas, he's the one that's
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  Speaker 3: never came with that gets mentioned.
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  Speaker 1: Don't giving me the side too.
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  Speaker 4: I'll if we're talking about one topic too long, he'll
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  Speaker 4: text us like, all right, move on, stop talking about
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  Speaker 4: that bull like going to the next one.
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  Speaker 3: So shout out to you.
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  Speaker 4: There's your there's your shoutout. But h yeah, which appreciate
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  Speaker 4: you coming on you bet?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, glad to be here.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I'll go straight to eighty five. Why were you
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  Speaker 5: not in the Super Bowl shuffle video?
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  Speaker 1: Because I know it'd last forever and you guys are
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  Speaker 1: probably pulled up on this podcast. I see one of
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  Speaker 1: the white guys dancing, you know, watch fensic. We look
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  Speaker 1: for watch fensic dance. You think I'm gonna if you
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  Speaker 1: saw him dance, he had no rhythm and Steve Fuller
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  Speaker 1: he couldn't wrap, you know, he couldn't dance. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to be one of those guys.
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  Speaker 3: But did you guys get back late? You got back?
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  Speaker 4: Like wasn't I think from what Chico or culture he
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  Speaker 4: told us one time. Because he's not in it too.
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  Speaker 4: I think you guys got back. I think I don't
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  Speaker 4: create it for him, but you guys got back really
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  Speaker 4: late from from a game or set bowl or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: You got back really like late or early.
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  Speaker 1: Miami beat us on Monday night. They did it the
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  Speaker 1: day after the Miami beat us on Monday night. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: really Tuesday morning. Yeah. That's why when you go watch it,
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  Speaker 1: you saw Peyton and McMahon. They like put them in later,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like they filmed them on some kind of
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  Speaker 1: green screen or something. They put them in later, so
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  Speaker 1: they weren't there. But yeah, they did it. They did
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  Speaker 1: it after we got beat by Miami, So you know
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of ballsy, right you do.
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm just think I knew that after we lost.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah lost, Yeah, one lost.
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  Speaker 3: This person's idea was that whose idea was it?
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  Speaker 1: It was Willie's, so you know it was to feed
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  Speaker 1: the needy. Yeah, and uh and so you know they
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  Speaker 1: were asking a bunch of guys to go in it,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, I just didn't feel right about it.
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  Speaker 5: How did they How did they like first like bring
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  Speaker 5: this idea up? Because nobody just like, yeah, let's just
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  Speaker 5: go fill this.
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  Speaker 3: I was willly, really Willy, let's do a rap?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Will you know? Will we Yeah? Willie's you know WILLI.
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  Speaker 1: He's got a rap, you know, get the brap of
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  Speaker 1: do going. He's going around telling everybody you can do this,
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  Speaker 1: you can do this, you can do that, and guys
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  Speaker 1: are eating it up. Man. He came to me. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I can't do it. I just can't do
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  Speaker 1: it rapping. And then they just supposedly did some kind
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  Speaker 1: of reboot.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's trying to get guys to do that too,
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  Speaker 1: And he asked me to do that and I said, no,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do the first one. I can't do the
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  Speaker 1: next one.
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  Speaker 3: You know, So that'd have been dope.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a bunch of old guys up there wrapping. That's
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  Speaker 1: Who's going to watch that? Nobody.
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  Speaker 3: So the nineteen eighty three draft class.
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  Speaker 4: Is considered one of the best draft classes of all time.
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  Speaker 4: You got yourself, Dann Marino, John Elway, Jim Kelly, Chris Dolman,
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  Speaker 4: Eric Dickerson, Bruce Matthews, Richard Dent.
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  Speaker 3: That's a hell of a draft class. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: a hell of a draft class.
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  Speaker 1: And d bag from Joe Green. Yeah, he was last pick,
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  Speaker 1: twenty eighth, Daryl's last year and Marino's twenty seventh. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that class was incredible, and I think for
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  Speaker 1: the Bears, I think we got like seven starters out
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  Speaker 1: of that class, and that put us over the top,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think for the eighty five season, because
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  Speaker 1: we're pretty bad when I first got there. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we were pretty bad, but we end up finishing eight
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  Speaker 1: and eight that year. I think we won our last
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  Speaker 1: you know, six out of seven games or something like that,
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  Speaker 1: and you could just tell, you know, you were on
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  Speaker 1: a trajectory then, you know. And and then the next
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  Speaker 1: year we lost Jimmy matcalfway through the year, and I
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  Speaker 1: think we played five different quarterbacks or six maybe, and
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  Speaker 1: Nady could bring Greg Landry. He was like forty four
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  Speaker 1: years old. He was our quarterback for the last weekless
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  Speaker 1: season against Detroit and we beat them. And then you know,
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  Speaker 1: Steve Fuller was a backup and came in and we
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  Speaker 1: beat washed them. Went to the NFC Championship, got beat
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  Speaker 1: out there and I think in San Francisco, and I
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  Speaker 1: think that really was the catalyst of you know, I
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  Speaker 1: mean we got embarrassed. I mean we didn't score it
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  Speaker 1: was twenty three nothing. We didn't score any points. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: offense was bad. And you know, the forty nine er
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  Speaker 1: players are like bringing offense next time, you know, And
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  Speaker 1: I think that really motivated us next year. We went
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  Speaker 1: out there next year and played him in the regular
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  Speaker 1: season and beat him up pretty good.
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  Speaker 5: Jim, you know, my draft classes for the Saints they
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  Speaker 5: kind of considered as one of the greatest ones. Your
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  Speaker 5: draft class for the Bears you just said you just
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  Speaker 5: mentioned seven starters out of that, Like, at what point,
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  Speaker 5: because everybody's already starting and getting their confidence at different
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  Speaker 5: times and during my class, what was it for your class?
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  Speaker 5: Like I'm sure you guys talked about it, because when
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  Speaker 5: you drafted together your rookies together, so you go through
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  Speaker 5: all the rookie stuff together and you actually kind of
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  Speaker 5: grow together. Their success is your success and your success
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  Speaker 5: is their success. How did you guys start to be like, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: it's us and the things that we're doing kind of
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  Speaker 5: walk me through that path or what you guys, how'd
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  Speaker 5: you see it through your lens?
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  Speaker 1: Well? I think I think you could just tell that
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  Speaker 1: class when they came in there, you know, quality of players.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Willie and Willie gall and I and Mike
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  Speaker 1: Richardson were day one starters. So we started day one
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  Speaker 1: and then and Richard Dent was in that class. So
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  Speaker 1: Richard came in and you know, he started halfway through
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  Speaker 1: the year, right then we had Dave Dorrison right and
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  Speaker 1: he was starting start. You know, he started to get
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  Speaker 1: a lot of playing time. And then when Todd Bell
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  Speaker 1: held out the next year, the next year in eighty five,
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  Speaker 1: and then you know, Day became a full time starter
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  Speaker 1: and so and then Mark Boortz, who played next to me,
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  Speaker 1: he became a full time starter in eighty four, right,
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  Speaker 1: So you started to see that class, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: then Tom Thayer he became a full time start in
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  Speaker 1: eighty five. So that class started to really I think
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  Speaker 1: initially people realized it was such a great class. But
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  Speaker 1: then because we had these Day one starters, but then
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  Speaker 1: you saw guys getting you know, eighty four, eighty five,
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  Speaker 1: and then yeah, I mean, I think that's a class
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  Speaker 1: that put us over the top. You know. That's how we,
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  Speaker 1: I think, became so dominant in the NFC Central for
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  Speaker 1: a long time.
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  Speaker 4: We've all experienced what it's like to be in the
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  Speaker 4: NFL coming from college.
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  Speaker 3: What was your welcome to the NFL moment?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think my welcome to the NFL moment
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  Speaker 1: was my first game I played against Leroy Selman, who
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  Speaker 1: I think was the best player I ever played against,
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer and best end I ever played against.
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  Speaker 1: I know that for a fact. And I said, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna come up with this guy, and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit him so hard. So he realized, you
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  Speaker 1: know that, you know, because I'm not to play him
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  Speaker 1: twice a year, right, I mean, that's why they drafted me.
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  Speaker 1: One of the reasons they drafted me, you know. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he just olayed me, you know, made the tackle,
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  Speaker 1: you know, So now they decided to run the same
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  Speaker 1: play like in the third quarter, I said, okay, now
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  Speaker 1: I can't. I can't come off too fast or too hard.
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  Speaker 1: This time, I got to be under control. And he
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  Speaker 1: jacked me right in my chin and I said, okay,
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  Speaker 1: now I get it. Now I get it. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: he was such a great player. I mean, you know
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  Speaker 1: nowadays they got guys that are playing situations. You got
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  Speaker 1: three or four path five pass rushers. You got that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he played every snap, thirty four five technique.
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  Speaker 1: You had him and Hugh Green, and they were good.
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  Speaker 1: They were good. So I went down there the next
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  Speaker 1: year in eighty four, and I think I grade out
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  Speaker 1: in ninety five. Then I realized that's how that's the
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  Speaker 1: kind of game you had to play to play in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean, you had to step up your
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  Speaker 1: game and you had to play against the best, and
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  Speaker 1: you had to perform well.
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  Speaker 4: Coach you did go one said you set the tone
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  Speaker 4: for the offense. And I think that was one day
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  Speaker 4: it was after practice or during practice, you and stevecmichael y'all.
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  Speaker 3: Got into it and you you body slammed them.
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  Speaker 4: Can you can you talk to us or tell us
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  Speaker 4: a little bit about that story?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean people have talked about that, uh for
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  Speaker 1: so many times. You know, God bless him. Steve was
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  Speaker 1: such a great player and uh, such a such a
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  Speaker 1: we lost him the summer and uh, you know, such
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  Speaker 1: a such an awesome teammate too. But he is paying
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  Speaker 1: the ass, you know, I appreciate it. On the shield.
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  Speaker 1: He's a pain in the ass. You'd have team, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and and you know Dennis Gentry and you know Thomas Sanders,
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  Speaker 1: guys be standing in the back well, you know, running
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  Speaker 1: first team. Oh and he goes, you know, he'd run
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  Speaker 1: by flipper them, you know, hit late, hit guys late
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  Speaker 1: and camp and every hit guys late in practice. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And you never really mess with me, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: so it was Green Bay week, of course, you know everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's a little it's a little serious, you know. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's hot. It's hot, you know. And uh and so
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  Speaker 1: I'm blocking, uh Richard and boom, I get run into behind,
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  Speaker 1: you know, by McMichael, And I go, what's the problem, man,
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  Speaker 1: He goes, your damn buddy pushed you into me. What
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  Speaker 1: the you gonna do about it? Anyway? You know? And
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  Speaker 1: that's how things started, you know. And so I just
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just grabbed him and I,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I was wrestled, you know, so uh, I
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  Speaker 1: just did kind of ladder drop on him, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I got him down and I got him
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  Speaker 1: pretty good, you know. So I had him down there
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  Speaker 1: and I had his helmet up, you know, his face
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  Speaker 1: mask go. Man. I gave him five or six good
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  Speaker 1: shots right in the face, you know, and and they
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  Speaker 1: let it go. They let it go because I guess
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  Speaker 1: they wanted to see him, you know, get his ass beat,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And he stood up. When he stood up,
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  Speaker 1: he had his chintz strapovers because I had his helmet up.
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  Speaker 1: He had a chin strap over. Mind, he couldn't talk.
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  Speaker 1: He goes, you want to grab you because you want this
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  Speaker 1: home so bad. He's a lefty, you know. He won,
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  Speaker 1: like yes, boom dropped him and that was the end
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  Speaker 1: of the fight.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think people realize that the fights we get
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  Speaker 4: into in practice, like there's there's a there's a ton
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  Speaker 4: I know, there had to be something in normals.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I would just say, you know what the
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  Speaker 5: most important thing is, Like what Jim said at the beginning,
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  Speaker 5: it was hot and so how big old Lineman versus
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  Speaker 5: d Lineman fights ninety five percent of them is they
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  Speaker 5: are hot and tired, and they just like you know what,
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  Speaker 5: we they just gonna fight because they are.
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  Speaker 3: Mad for street. They are hot, they are tired, and
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  Speaker 3: that is why a lot of.
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  Speaker 5: Fights start between offense and defensive linement, especially because one
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  Speaker 5: of them is hot and tired.
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  Speaker 2: And he just was tired of Stephen.
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  Speaker 1: He know he had no reason to do it, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And he you know, he had no reason to hit
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  Speaker 1: me from behind. He could have just kept going and
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  Speaker 1: walk back to the holder, you know, and there never
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  Speaker 1: would have been a fight. But now he thought it
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  Speaker 1: might have been funny or what. You know, he was
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  Speaker 1: gonna get away with him. I wasn't gonna let him
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  Speaker 1: get away with I love that.
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  Speaker 2: Mike Diggad talked about that. How about you tell me
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  Speaker 2: what it was like.
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  Speaker 5: You know, all we ever hear about the eighty five
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  Speaker 5: Bears or that that whole time you guys were so
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  Speaker 5: good is that the defense.
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  Speaker 2: So what was it like going against that defense?
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  Speaker 5: I was in New Orleans where we had the number
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  Speaker 5: one offense for all these years, and we used them
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  Speaker 5: as great examples anything we wanted to practice, anything, any
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  Speaker 5: new things we had going on. It was always good
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  Speaker 5: to practice against our best because they were the best,
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  Speaker 5: and so if we could get them, we know it
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  Speaker 5: is going to work on game day. What was it
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  Speaker 5: like going against the best defense was considered in your time?
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  Speaker 1: No, I think it was great because our defensive line,
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean you got you got, you got
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  Speaker 1: three Hall of Famers on the defensive line. So for us,
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  Speaker 1: for for offensive line, it was it was great because
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  Speaker 1: you were gonna you weren't gona play against anybody on
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  Speaker 1: Sunday better than you're gonna play during the week, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so practicing I think was was was good.
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  Speaker 1: And I think you know, they were such a great defense.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: But you know, people forget about our offense. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we led the Lagan rushing four years in a row
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  Speaker 1: in eighty five, we led Theligan rushing. We led the
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  Speaker 1: leg in time possession, We led the league in first downs,
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  Speaker 1: we were second in league in scoring. I make sure
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  Speaker 1: defense pretty good. No one wants to say that or
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  Speaker 1: talk about that, because I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean, I don't I mean, I played for the Bears,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't think I even knew.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even think I knew that.
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  Speaker 4: That's how crazy Chicago is, or that's how much of
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  Speaker 4: a defensive talents.
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  Speaker 2: Never talked about it.
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  Speaker 4: Like y'all let all that. And I didn't even know
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  Speaker 4: that until now, and I played for the organizations.
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  Speaker 1: They were never on the field. They were never on
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  Speaker 1: the field. I mean, we led the league in time possession,
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  Speaker 1: led the league scoring, second league scoring, led the Ligan
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  Speaker 1: first downs, right, led the league in rushing. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: so total offense wise, I mean, we were right up
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  Speaker 1: there in the top three in the league. So I
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  Speaker 1: mean you sit there and you go, he's got that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, buddy, it was buddy. Okay, yeah, it was
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  Speaker 1: buddy and uh and he uh you know, that's it
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  Speaker 1: was all about. It was all about defense. It was
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  Speaker 1: always about defense when I first got there, and uh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so for me, I was like, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I sell practices and you know, throwing guys around like
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  Speaker 1: ping pong balls and like that. I said, they're not
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  Speaker 1: going to do that to me. You know. For me,
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  Speaker 1: I just came in and said, you know, I was
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  Speaker 1: when I was a pit all right. It was the
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  Speaker 1: whole line that set the practice tempo, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. So because we had you know, Russ Grim, me,
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  Speaker 1: Bill Frey, Mark May like we set the like practice
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  Speaker 1: tempo tone. You know, you come to the Bears and
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  Speaker 1: it's completely the opposite. So I wasn't used to that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and uh you know, so I just said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: they're not going to do that to me. And I
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  Speaker 1: just think that rubbed off on the offense and in
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  Speaker 1: our whole line, and I think that it helped us.
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: Tell me this.
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: You you mentioned Buddy Ryan, do you? And Peanut says,
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: it's just the city. So it's the answer somewhere in between.
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: I would love both of you guys opinion. Is it
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: is it that Chicago just loves the defense or is
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: it maybe it was like the love affair of the.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Forty six defense.
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: It was new, nobody else was kind of doing it,
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: Like what was it?
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: I think it was a defense forever in Chicago.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: I mean you want I mean you think about you
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: got Buckets, you.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Got you got Bill George, you got Dick Buckers, you know,
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: you got Mike Singletary, and you got Brian or Lacker.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: I mean that was that was It's all about the
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: middle linebacker, yes, you know, and and that and the
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: defense is it's just you know, city, big shoulders, Chicago.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: That's what they want to talk about. They love Walter Payton, yeah,
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: you know, they love Jim McMahon. But it's all about
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: the defense. So you know, hey, that's fine with me.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: But but people that that's what people don't realize when
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: you go back and look at the stats, you know,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: and people still today, they'll go, all, the Bears had
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: a mediocre offense. I'm like, look at the stats. You know,
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: you see it all the time, the eighty five Bears, right,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: what a defense that's in their offense? In their offense. Yeah,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: and their offense was mediocre. I'm citing here, going, you're
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: leading the league and rushing right, you're mediocre. I mean,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: I just didn't let it go, you know. But when
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: you look at the stats, the stats tell a different story.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: I guess I never really thought of it like that.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: When we talk about that that that that year, that season,
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: they only talk about the defense. They've even done documentaries
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: and it was just about the defenses.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: They don't really mention you all at all.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: I never, I guess I never really thought about until
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: you actually just said something, is like, damn, and you want.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: To pretty they had a pretty good offense.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: And you wonder why he is trying to let it go. Still,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: I just wondering why.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I take for the three games before we lost
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: to Miami, I think I think the combined scorers like
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, but the combined scorer is like
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: ninety five to ten. Yeah, the defense didn't score all
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: those points, right, somebody had to score them. You're right,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: So yeah, right, it's it's it's yeah. But hey, it
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: is what it is, so it's never gonna change.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: So you played LT.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: Lawrence Taylor three times and in those three games, you
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: didn't give up a sack. And Lawrence Taylor said, I
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: played against a lot of excellent office of tackles and
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: I'll put him.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Right at there at the top. What does that mean
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: to you hearing that from LT.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, he's I think the greatest defensive player
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: to ever lived. So when you see someone like that
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: say say that about you, I mean, that's I mean amazing.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: You know. I think the reason that I was able
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: to accomplish that is because we were never in bad
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: down in distances. We were never put in bad you know,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: we weren't third and long all the time in the
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: eighty in the playoff game in eighty five. We really
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: just you know, we controlled the line of scrimmage. You know,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: we weren't. We weren't third and ten, you know, we
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: were you know, we were third and two, you know.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: And I think I think I had something doing then
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: in the eighty seven or when we played him, they won,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: they want to We won eighty five, they won in
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: eighty six. We played them Monday night football on eighty seven,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: first game of the year, and we beat him pretty good.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: And it was the same thing. You know, we got
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: up on them and then you know, run the ball.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: We're running the ballah so, and then in the playoff
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: game in ninety they beat us. And I think that's
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: probably when I played one of my best games, because
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: we were all we were behind the whole game, you know,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: and was able to, you know, uh, not give up
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: a sack. It's amazing that you could play against a
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: guy like that and not do it. I didn't say
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't give up for pressure or something like that,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: but that's for a while. But yeah, no sacks.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: It's a hell of a compliment. It's a hell of
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: a compliment.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: You mentioned his name, and you know, anytime we get
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: one of you old school Bears players with all due respect, Yeah,
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: we always want to know what was it like not
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: only playing with Walter Payton but blocking for Walter Payton.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: I mean I only grew up watching him in my
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: parents van on all of the NFL films back in
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: the day.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: And who he was as.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: A how hard working he was, how much the city
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: loved him, seemed like every like no fan ever had
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: a bad experience around him. Well, could you tell us
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: and the viewers and the people listening what was it
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: like to not only play with Walter Payton but also
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: block for Walter?
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: He was just a He's just a special person. I
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: mean he treated everybody that he met like he just
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: had a just kind of this I don't even know
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: what it was, just annate ability to treat you like
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: you were the most important person he was talking to
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: at that time.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean that is that's a skill.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: That's a skill. Yeah, that he didn't care about anybody
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: else except you at that time. And he genuinely cared
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: about people, you know, and he was just a special person.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: And so you know, luckily I got a chance to
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: know him, probably as well as anybody because you know,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Matts who in our roommates and Matt him are real tight.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: And Matt and ire roommates on the road. So back
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: in the day. You got to remember now it's not
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: like today everyone gets their own room. We had roommates
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: back in the day, you know. So the only one
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: that had their own room was Walter, and I think
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: he had it in his contract. That was the only
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: way he got it. But he was always over in
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: our room anyway, when we were on the road. I'll
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: tell you what. The one thing I don't think people
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: give or think about him, what is how tough he was.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I mean he played thirteen years in a league. He
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: missed one game and he I mean I seen him
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: get his ankle rolled up. I've seen him get it,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: you know, his knee twisted and he was still out there. Man,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: he never missed it down, went in there and got taped,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you know, spat it over to shoe. I mean, he
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: just I mean one of the toughest, I think one
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: of the toughest. Are the toughest guys ever played with?
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Tell me this, we've heard how much of a prankster
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: he was? Oh yeah, yeah, were you a victim of anither?
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: All of us were okay.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I mean then the annual throwing and he's down in
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: the rookie locker room. That was the annual thing he
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: did every year. So you know, uh, right before the
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: second practice down came M eight and the heard the
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: ones that had like seventeen uh firecrackers on him. Yeah,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: he did that, chasing all the rookies out of there.
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: The annual pulling the fire alarm at training camp. Uh,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: like one of the last weeks, you know, getting everybody
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: out of everybody out of the door. He didn't even
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: sleep there. He had a he had an RV. He slept.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: He slept in the r V. Yeah, he slept. He didn't.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: He did'n he'd.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Get all you guys messy all.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: That was the place you'd hang out and you get
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: a beer after practice running with you know, if you
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: were lucky enough, he'd invite the a couple of linemen
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: in there and you could have a beer with him.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: And then he would also call you up and he
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: could you know, he had that. He had that real
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: high voice. You know, I get this call and the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: voice like Timbo, Hi, how are you? I just wanted
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: to call you. You know, we met up in Platteville.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: You know, that's where you had training camp. You were
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: so wonderful to me, and you know, I was just
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: wondering if maybe we can meet, you know, and I go,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: who is this? You know, and I like, who is this?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: So they're saying some crazy stuff. So I hung up
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the phone, you know, and this before cell phones or
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so then the phone rings again. I
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: told my if don't don't answer that phone, and it's
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: him laughing. You know. He was a prankster, definitely.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Aster That's what people say about him the most.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: I want to know your thoughts on having a thousand
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: yard rusher every season you were there except one.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: And then I was a strike here. Yeah, that was
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: a strike here.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: So I mean that's that's that's impressive strike here.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: So I just think we concentrated on the run and
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: that was what we were known for, was running football.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: But you remember, I mean after Walter, we had Neil Anderson,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: who was a hell of a player.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I mean from Florida.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: People don't really give him the credit he deserves. And
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: you know he played like seven or eight years.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah to watch, so I yeah, he was a.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Great receiver, fast and you know he would have played
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: a little bit earlier. But you're not gonna shit well
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: hating on the bench, you know. But they put Neil
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: fullback and in eighty seven, and that wasn't his natural position,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: and the strike came and everything. But then that was
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Walter's last year. But yeah, he was a great player.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: So we concentrated on a lot and that was what
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: we were known for, is running football. So I think
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: we look we look forward to it. We look forward
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: to running the ball.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: We're going to take a short break and we'll be
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: back in a minute.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: Okay, I want to know about the the back injury
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: that permanently sidelined you from football.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I had I had a couple things with
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: my back in eighty eight. I hurt my back in
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: training camp.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: And was it a specific player? Was it just where.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Doing doing knuckcracker or Oklahoma drill?
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Oklahoma drill?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Canla that You got two dummies that are probably I
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: don't know, six five feet apart, four feet apart something
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: like that, lined up like this. You got an offensive
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: line and defensive lineman. You got a running back getting
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: the ball and you got to get him out of
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the hole. So they running back and run right through
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: it and the guys are getting hit tackled. It's just
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: seeing who's tougher, you know, And it's a toughness drill.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: And so we did it every every training camp. I mean,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: you did you did ten jumping Jackson. You wan't right
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the knuck cracker offensive defensive line. And I was really
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: good at it. In fact, you know, Matt told me
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: him and Walter used to jockey and the behind lines
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: is to get behind me, right, because I was pretty
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: good at knuckracker. And it's just I got I got
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: kind of twisted the wrong way and I felt something
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: and yeah, so I mean I tried to I tried
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: to get a couple of quarters on shots and EPI
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: door and it's just in take. So I went back
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: and had surgery. So I was eighty eight, and and
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I did something that was you know, that basically shortened
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: my career, and it was it was a stupid thing,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: but I did it. And when I came back and
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I played six weeks later after I had back surgery,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: and and I just you know, it wasn't good. I
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: played about a quarter. I just couldn't do it. I
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: should have never been out there and then I went
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: on IR and and then I came back and I
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: started the last eight games of the year, and we
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: went to the NFC Championship game, got beat by San
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Francisco at home. But that was I should have never
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: done that. I think if I would have taken the
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: year off and and you know, got healthy, you know,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: did the things I should have been able to do
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: to cobet come back, I would have been way better off.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: So it just never was the same after that, you know.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: And then I I played in eighty nine, I played
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: in ninety and I just never was the same.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Player, you know, just lets me excuse me.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: That just makes me feel even more blessed because of
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: nine off season or yeah, OTAs, I fractured, not fractured,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: but I had a slip disc you know, L five
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: one her nation of my hernia and disc of mine
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: and I had surgery on in July. Missed all of
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: training camp and I was ready week one, so I
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: probably had surgery six weeks later. In that week one,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: we played Green Bay. We ended up winning the game,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: but I came I came back like way too early.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, I was very fortunate to
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: where I didn't have any you know, I'm a dB,
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: so I do more running than actually actually hitting.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: So I'm it just made me.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: When you said that, I was like, damn, I'm thank Jesus,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: I'm super blessed because.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're not the same position as you know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: you're not you're not down, you know, uh, you're trying
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: to get leverage in your helmets on this car. And
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: so yeah, I just never was the same and and
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I just you know, I uh, I don't have any regrets.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would have done it all over again.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: But looking back on it, it was, it was. It was.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: It's definitely shortened my career. And that was never the
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: same player.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so how tough was it for you to walk away?
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: So then in in ninety one training camp, I I
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: heard it again and uh, just in a blocking draw,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: wasn't knucker, And I just got uh, I said, that's it.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to play anymore. They put me on
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: member Plan B. They put me on Plan B. You
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: guys are too young for that, but they put you
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: on Plan B.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I was like a female thing.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Plan B was they were able to It
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: was after the strike, so there was no agreement, right,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and so there was no uh, collective bargaining agreement anymore
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: until they had to redo it. And so it is
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: plan B where they can they put you on this
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: list and you were you was basically a waiver wire.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I got you and if no one claimed you, you could
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: come back and uh and so I was talking a
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: couple of teams and uh, and I just said, just
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: want to do it anymore? And I made the right decision. Yeah. Yeah,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sixty five years old and I'm upright and not
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: walking around, you know, bent over. So I'm happy I
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: made the right decision.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Did Yeah.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: So is it true that in nineteen ninety you played
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: a game so well that they wanted to select you
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: to be Offensive Player.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Of the Week.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: Yet you chose You told them I only want the
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: ward if the whole old line can get it.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so they gave it to you.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: You guys like the first offensive line to win an
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Offensive Player of the Week.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: This is a true statement.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, I did. They came to me and they wanted to.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: It was against Arizona out there, and they came to
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: me and asked me if I wanted to. You know,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: they they selected me for and I said, I'm not
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: going to accept that unless it's just for the entire
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: offensive line. I just felt like, you know, we were playing, well,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: we were on a roll. You remember one thing about
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: offensive lineman, right, I mean, he plays, he plays a group,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: and we try to have that mentality. If you single
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: so many defensive linemans, their defense players are different.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Defensive lineman is like, I'm you know, I'm MVP. I'm
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: you know, Uh, I got five sacks, I'm player of
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the week. You know that's good, but you know it's
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: a little different. You do that in an offensive line,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: you wreck the you wreck the harmony, you know what
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I mean. And uh, next thing, you know, you got
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: guys looking at you. Now, yeah, you know you're the guy.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: And then then then.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Your offensive player of the week, right, I mean, then
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you might have to play against some guys got like
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: fourteen sacks, you know, and next thing, you know, you
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: might give up a couple of sacks, you know, because
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: that guy's gonna say, hey, that's the offensive player of
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the week. I'm gonna go after that guy and see
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: how many sacks I can get on them, you know.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: And so it was just for me. It was just
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the right thing to do for offensive line, and I
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: didn't want to I didn't want to be singled out.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: And uh, it was a funny thing because what happened was,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: you know, in the NFL, they really wanted to make
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: an offensive line lineman offensive you know, offensive player of
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the week. So a couple of weeks later they had
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Jim lshe you know, they made Jim Lechee. He was
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: a left tackle for Washington offensive player of the week.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: He made the Pro Bowl and I didn't make the
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. So that's how that works.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: It's a popularity content.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was like, you know what I mean,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: still made the right decision. I never regret that, you know,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: because it was the right thing to do and for us,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: and it worked out.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Now I want to I want to talk about Uh,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: I want to talk about your second acts.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: You're you're you're out of football, you retire, you.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: Walk away from the game, and you get into the
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: healthcare space. So currently right now you are the operating
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: partner at Chrissy and Company.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: How did you get into the healthcare space.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I like to say it's like a thirty year overnight success.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: You know, that's what people always would ask me, like
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: when I became a c O, They're like, how'd you
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: get that? Gig? I said, what do you think I've
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: been doing for the last twenty years? First of all,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: we didn't make the kind of money they're making today,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: so you had to go out of You had to
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: go out and work if you want to have the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: same lifestyle. And I think one thing that for today,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting because of all this stuff
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: going on in college football, you know, with with nil
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and transfer portal and all this stuff for these kids
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: to get degrees at all. Right, and you know I
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: left Pitt I was fifteen credit shy because you know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: back then you had the bowl games. We played in
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the Comton Bowl, and then we had the Hula Bowl.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Right then you had to Senior Bowl, right, and we
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: were on quarters. So we started school like January fourth, right,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: and then back then, you know, they had combines all
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: over the place. Now they got one that big combine
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: they had in Minneapolis. You had to go all over
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the place. So multiple Oh yeah, we had they had
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: blessed though, Bears, Lions, eaglest you had to go to
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: that one. And then they had another one. Right, it
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: was out in Seattle, and then they had then they
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: would fly you places right and you would go meet
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: teams right. Some wanted you to work out someone as
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: you didn't work out. So, you know, I get back
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: and it's like January, like thirtieth or first February, and
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't go to one class, you know. So I
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: went to my professor's and I said, what do you
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: think they go? You don't have a shot. So I
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: just took all ws and and then the next year
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I plan on going back and I just didn't, you know.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: And so it was about my sixth year in the league,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: seventh year in the league. The NFL was sponsoring this
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: thing where they were having schools focus on getting NFL
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: players back to college. And the Pall in Chicago was
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: one of the sponsors of it. And so I took
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: four classes at the Paul and I took one class
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: at it as an independent study. And I graduated. And
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: so I remember I was talking to who I think
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: it was this a guy was really for me. Was
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: my mentor was a guy named vern Loux. He was
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: a president's CEO of Baxter Healthcare. I got a chance
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: to know him and I had lunch of them, and
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: he said, what do you think you want to do
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: when you're done playing? I said, I have no idea,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: And he said, what's your degree in? And I said
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: English And he said, if I'd have said I didn't
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: have a degree, end of discussion, right, end of story.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: So that's what worries me about these kids coming out
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: right now, right, I mean, because if you know, a
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: very very small percentage of them are going to make
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: it to the next level, right, and they're going to
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: make some bucks in school. Now, then I own all
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: that stuff, which is great, but that's going to be
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: very short lived and gone. So what are they going
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: to do with the rest of their life? That's what
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: worries me. You know, I think about that all the
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: time on him on the board of trustees at pitt
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: and you know, my alma mater. I think about it
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: all the time because I just feel like I was lucky.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I was one lucky ones. You know. I decided that
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I knew I had to go back and and do that,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: so I did. And then when I got into the
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: healthcare space, you know, I remember my last year I
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: made Now, don't laugh, anybody that's football fans, I was
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: the highest paid line in the league for three years.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I made four to seventy five five five on a quarter. Okay,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: so I just sold that one guy just that was
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: high the league highest highest tackle on Me and Munos
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: were tied for seventy five five five other. Wow, I
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: just saw the just signed a left tackle for Indianapolis
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: for one hundred million dollars for like four years.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: I'm like, you see the second rounders saying for eight
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: million dollars. The guy that got drafted four slots behind
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: me signed a four year, eighteen million dollar contract.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: We had like sixteen fully gearant. I'm not mad. I'm
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: not mad.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Hey, you remember when I can you remember nineteen e
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I'm man in nineteen eighty three is a fifty per
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: tax bracket. Now, I remember that in nineteen eighty three,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I was a sixth player picking the draft. I made
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: seventy five grand after after taxes. No way, okay, So.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Uncle Sam, why.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: That's crazy if I can't yeah wild.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, So I just I just, uh, you know,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I made seven hundred and fifty thousand my last year
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and my first year my first job in sales at Baxter.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Was sixty thousand in the cube and uh put you
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: back to put you back down to reality pretty quickly.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: Are you like a big guy in the cube? Like big,
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: they're incredible.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Big, it's the cube exactly exactly, and uh.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: They're incredible.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Great. Great, I'm glad you got that.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: And I just said, I just said to myself, I'm
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: not going to stay here for long. Yeah, all right,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna work my ass off. And I just applied
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of the same things I learned in sports.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you got to work hard. No one
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: cannot work you right and uh, and you got to
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: do your homework right and uh, and there's a lot
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: of things you got to you got to persevere through
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: because you're going to have adversity, just like you are
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: on the football field, right, and there's gonna be different
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: obstacles and you got to figure out and rocks in
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the road, you got to figure out a way to
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: get around him or remove them. And that's what I did. So, Uh,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I was really lucky to have a good mentor that
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: helped me. And I remember when he when he when
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: when I got the job, I thanked him, I said,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: thank you. And I've used this line a million times
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: since I've hired a bunch of people over the years.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I said, thank you for giving me the job. He goes,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't give you a job. I gave you an opportunity,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: and what you make of it is entirely up to you.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: That's what you said to me. I was thirty two
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: years old, thirty three, So.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: You know, Jim, we always ask people like you know,
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: we asked you you're welcome to the NFL moment? What
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: is the welcome to the the nine to five moment?
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: Because it it's got to be difficult, but just different.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: I don't know about difficult, But how different was that
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: for you to have been selected where you were selected?
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: Great player at pitt You've been through the highs of
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: the highs, you turned down a Super Bowl shuffle, and
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: now I'm.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Working at nine to five?
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: And when did it like hit you?
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: What was that first?
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Man, it hit me when I got in that que
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: And it also hit me that nobody cares what you
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: did before. You know, as many doors as football open
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: for me, it closed just as many. Yeah, and I
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: don't think people realize that. You know, maybe now it's different,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: but you know, there's a lot of guys that wanted,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people you want to be,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: especially in sales. People were like, hey, you know you
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: played for the Bears. I'm a big Bears fan. You know.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of other people, very you know, professional,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: very high ranking people were like, never gonna give you
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: a shot, right, And they're never gonna give you a
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: shot because there is just like a dumb jock. I
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: don't have to give him anything, just another dumb jock.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: And uh and I had to face a lot of
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: that down here, right, So didn't get mad about it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Didn't get mad about it. I figured to work around
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: around people like that, and I figured out a way
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: to to uh to still do my job and not,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: you know, not excited because you know, in a field,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: you got a problem with someone, you beat their ass,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: like you know, you got a problem. You just can't
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: do can't do that in office, and it's it's.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: You could, but you're gonna get fired, gona get fired.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: H I'm knocking on the dough.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that you had to learn that rather quickly,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: and uh, you had to learn how to temper your
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: emotions and uh and not and not take everything so personal.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: When you get beat on a football field, this part personal.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: You can't do that because you can't let your emotions
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: get in the way of you know, what your ultimate
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: goal is, and that's being successful. And so that's kind
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: of the way I looked at it, and every job
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: that I was able to progress to, I looked at
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: it that way. And I think I think athletes really have.
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: A special gift for that because you show them where
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: the goal line is, they'll get there right and and
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: a lot of times, you know, people people don't realize that.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: So you see a lot of hard drivers, and especially
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: in sales and other places like that, those guys do
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: very very well, the ex athletes because they know where
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: the goal line is.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: The never get there and we'll be right back.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: What do you what do you think is the has
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: been your most rewarding piece of this this journey for you,
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: this second chapter in your journey.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: That's a good question, you know. I think when I
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: ran a company for ten years, company called Institute for
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Transfusion Medicine, it was really it was something it was
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: you know, I was in healthcare business for a long time.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I was in you know, worked for Baxter Healthcare. Then
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: I worked for Horizon CMS. I worked for Health South
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: as part of the turnaround team. So I was always
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: in in you know that whole uh physical therapy, outpatient
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: kind of you know, hospital business. And uh this was
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: blood blood services. You know, everything you think of it
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: do with blood, you know, working with hospitals, and so
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: it was an undertaking. So I just remember that they
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: had so many acronyms, more acronyms in football, you know.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I had a whole book of acronyms, you know that
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I that I would have to write down. And you
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: know what I did the first probably four or five months,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I just listened. I just listened, and I just tried
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: to learn as much as I possibly could about the
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: business and didn't want to assume or didn't want to
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: think that I knew more than the people that are
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: already there because they had such great institutional knowledge of
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: the business. I was just trying to learn it. Once
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I got a pretty good handle on it, I tried
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: to change a lot of things. And that was tough
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: because a lot of people were adverse to change. And
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: so what I tried to do is I tried to
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: put some people that I worked with before that, I
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: hired as change agents, you know, to work with them.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: And you know, I think that's the one thing about
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: me and the CEO. You got to get the right
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: people on the bus. And sometimes the people aren't in
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: the right seats, and some people got to get off
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the bus. Yeah, but when you can get the right
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: team on the bus, you can be very successful. And
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: that's the one thing about leadership. You know, they're looking
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: for that, but they're also looking for you to do
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: it as well, you know, and and uh, you know,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: and you gotta you gotta be there and you gotta
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: show you care. So that's that's it's that was very
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: rewarding for me. I enjoyed that.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: It's no different than a head coach or a GM
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: picking his head coach and his head coach picking his staff,
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: trying to get him on the get everybody on the
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: same page. I wanna I want to ask you about
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Mount Rushmore. You get four people or four picks that
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: have helped you become the man you are today.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: You get four picks?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: What a great question, you know, that's a great question. Honestly,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: it's a I've never had that question. That's a great question.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I'd say the first two spots for my mom and dad.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I loved that.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my dad, my dad worked at armcoas Steel for
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: thirty four years. His grandfather worked there for forty four years.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: My brother, my uncle, both my brother in laws all
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: worked in the mill. All my dad's all, my all
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: my my buddies in high school, their dad's worked in
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: the mill. So they already either worked in the mill,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: steel mill, railroad right, Pennsylvania Railroad, or the oil refinery. Right.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: So you know, I just looked up to my dad
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: because my dad was you know, he took me into
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: the mill one time in a hot mill. I told
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: people as many many times in July, and he said, yeah,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I see this, these these you know, hot pieces of
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: metal coming down these things and it's like nine hundred
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: degrees in there, and all these guys are sweating and
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: everything like that. And my Dad's like, you never want
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: to come in here ever. You know, he gave me
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: such great advice. But he will tell you what for
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: he was. He was a tough, tough customer though. Man.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I mean those guys, uh, they know how to motivate
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: you, you know, because you think about what they had to
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: do for work. Every day. Get you come in with
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: a little ankle bruise or ankle strain or something like that.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: He's like, you're not gonna miss any time when you
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: see guys like that. And my mom was just you know,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: uh she worked at j C. Penny part time and
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: raising all of us. She had all four of us
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: in five years, and uh, my brother and I were
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: eleven months apart, and so we fought. Oh yeah, we
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: kept fall like cast and dollars. But he, uh, you know,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: my mom, we used to laugh because everything we own
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: came from j C. Pennies, you know, and we.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Had those didn't they have way back then? What's that
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: did they have back then?
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Away? Yeah, everything was on layaway. Yeah, everything everything on layaway,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: and everything came from j C. Pennies. And you got
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: you got a school outfit at the beginning of the year,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: you know, and uh the tennis, you know, and they
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: had those those j C. Penny fake tennies that looked
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: like they tried to look like, I don't know what
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: they tried to look like, something like a Nike or
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: something they weren't really or Converse or something, but they weren't.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: And always got these kids in school, some of these
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: kids had them. I wanted to pair, you know, so
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I told my dad and my brother and I said,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: we we want these converse you know. So he uh
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: he took us down an army Navy store in Rochester, Pennsylvania.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: You know, we went down there, and my brother and
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: I each got a pair and they were nine ninety
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: nine a pair. And my dad goes, boys, he goes,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: you better take care of those shoes. There's a lot
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: of money. Think about that, nine ninety nine a pair.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Now they got nikes, you know, for for uh, you know,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: hundreds of dollars, you know, and that's to show you
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: how how money was tight, you know, And he did so,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I mean those two for sure. And then you know,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: my wife and I have had such a great relationship.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: She's been there, she's done. You know. We've been married
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: now for forty three years, I think, and uh we
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: got married right before we uh where is actually my
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: rookie year? And I mean she raised our kids because
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: my second career I was always on the road.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: You know, and people think that athlete football players maybe
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: baseball players different. They think football players are always gone.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: They're not always gone.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: You're just amount of time doing certain month's training camp.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's training camp. And if you play, if you
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: play Green Beer Detroit, you're home for dinner. Yeah, you know,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: so it's not you're it's not so. I let I was,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I was traveling. I was trying to build my career,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: you know, and she did it all. You know. She
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: was a glue to kind of hold everything together. And
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: so I think to her. And then I had a
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: line coach at Pitt, guy named Joe Moore. Who Joe Moore? Who?
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Who was like I think the best offensive line or no, no, no,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: he's he he coached, He's had he I think he's
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: had forty five guys. Uh when he coached a Pitt
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame in Temple, Uh, playing the NFL, and so uh,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: you know he coached me and Russ and Bill Freelik
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: and a bunch of guys. Yeah, I mean coach Notre
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Dame guy, Joe Moore offensive line. It's named after him.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a jo.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he named after Joe Joe Moore. So uh, he
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: just he was a a special guy. And I mean
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: that's the reason, you know, I was a you know,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I came to the Bears, and I was the most
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: you know, I think prepared guy there from a technique respect,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: and then I think a lot. Finally, the guy that
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: was talking about earlier, Vern Loux, who was a chairman
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: CEO of bax Of Healthcare. He was, you know, really
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: impressive guy. He's a Yale Grid Harvard MBA and he
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: was a captain of the Marine Corps. So what a
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: what a resume is I had, you know, and uh
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: just a man's man. But he was the CEO there,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: and he's the guy gave me my first opportunity, so
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: that would be the people I put on him.
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: I got to ask this, and you can let me
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: know if I'm going way too personal. But your daughter
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: was born with spinal biffida. Is that did that actually
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: push you into the health healthcare system at all?
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Or that just was just a random No.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think it had anything to do it. I think,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: you know, she just had a birthday yesterday, Happy birthday, Jessica,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: and she's doing great. But uh yeah, it's it's uh no,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I think I think it was for us. It was
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: difficult because she was born nineteen eighty seven of right
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: in the middle of my career, and uh, it was heartbreaking,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: you know for us. I mean we didn't know, we
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: didn't know.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Much about I was like, I was like, yeah.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: We didn't even know anything about it. And then you know,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: and then we found out it was the most common
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: birth defect and as you know, affected people in different
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: ways and different levels of function, different levels of ability
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: to ambulate. So it was difficult. But she's done a
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: remarkable job. I mean she, you know, went to lenn
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: University and graduated, been a health carecter at HR space.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: She's done a great job. So she's you know, she's
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: she's a superstar. You know, you don't you don't get
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: too many people like that. But she's a hard worker,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean she's she's had to overcome a
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: lot of different things that people haven't had to do.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: How much better has she made you?
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, she's a tough per I mean she's tough. I
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: mean talking about surgery, I had, like I've had like,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: you know, fourteen surgeries and all these orthopedic things. I
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: think she's had like twenty five surgeries. Wow, oh yeah,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, shunt revisions and and spinal surgeries and and
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: uh you know, uh uh they had to rotate her
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: ankles back in and her, I mean just just for kid,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: a kid, Yeah, you know tough so uh and she
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: would she take it on head head on and just
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: you know, look her straight in the eye and she
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: got she she got a little tough, you know. Uh,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: but she she dealt with it and was able to
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: do it. She's yeah, doing great.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for sharing all.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: We appreciate you man sharing some stories. But it was
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: fun presence. Yeah, we appreciate what knee surgery is.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: That that's a big that's a that's a new that's
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: a new knee.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: Oh it's a new knee, okay, because the cross is different.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not No, that was an old surder Okay.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I had this operate on like five times before I
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: got the neigh replace.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: And how's it feel with the new knee.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: It feels awesome. Except I got a bone chip underneath
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: m plant. You can see it pop up.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: So I got a bone chip. I gotta get party trick,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: I gotta get scoped. But other than that, it doesn't
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: hurt that much anymore. But uh, yeah, this this is
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: a new one, and I got this is the gnarly one.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, so that's an one angle one. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: that's that's.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: That's Those are great party tricks whenever there's like that
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: awkward silence, like, hey, look at my.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Knee at home.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: That's an one that was a a cadaver ligament and
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: a cadaver tan replacement. So for your ankle, yeah yeah,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: they put a cadaver ligament in the cadaver ten. And
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: then so I got it done in Stemen clinic and
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: veil and the doc that did it, you know how
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: they do your knee where they grab your knee, they
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: move it around to see how stable it is. You
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: could grab the bottom of my ankle moving around like this,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: and it just had I had no ligament snow tens there.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: And uh, the guy did it said, you know, he's did,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: he's done. You know, skaters, you know, basketball players, people
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: were traditionally bad ankles. He says, you have like one
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: of the worst ones I've ever seen. And I just,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: you know, just delayed, delayed, delayed, And I got I
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: got this done on a Tuesday, and that on a
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Thursday in the same week.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: Oh damn, if I'm down, let me just be down.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, I said.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna be non weight bearing and
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: it was gonna be fine until I was laying in
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: the hospital bed looking at my boot on here and
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: this thing all wrapped up, Like what did I just
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: do to my I stayed in veil for three weeks
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: and my wife was pushed me around in a wheelchair.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Not bad, it goes, Can you get can you get
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: up on these crutches? Can you get up on these crutches?
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I said, no, it hurts too bad.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: She finally got me a phone, man, But I was,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: you know, in the middle of working. Yeah, so now
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: I get this boot. You know, I'm going to work,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I'm flying places. I'm like, oh god, please, but now
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: it Then this came back real quick. That was a
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: little problem, but just good now yeah we're good. Yeah,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: it's good.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: All right, man, We appreciate you.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: That was fun.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Don't you run off of us, jim Bo, thank you
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: so much.
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: Man.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Let's give you some flowers. Bro.
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: We really want to say thank you for awaitness man.
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: Actually getting to sit down and talk to you.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Peanut.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: Knew a lot more about you than I did. I
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: didn't grow up in the Bears community, but you getting
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: here to share your story, really sharing some great stories
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: and times through that eighty five, through.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Your draft class to everything you guys.
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: Got to build for that organization and what you meant
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: to it and now look at you so man, Thank.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: You appreciate sharing that for this guy and anything man Man, well,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: we appreciate it. Man.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Thank you peen up for getting it here.
• 53:28
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• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Peanut, get us out of your head.
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: Proud of you man, you you you did that.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: It's like the end of the NFL broadcast. He did that.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Good good, I am improving. Thank you. I like that.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: He our Peanut Toeman. That's Roman, that's Shambald Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 2: An't there.
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  Speaker 2: We out