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The rise of the radical left in America on the back of Jew hatred · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 2: I Kiss, Stand to Flow, I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: There morning, Lauri and even Grace America. That's not my
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  Speaker 1: normal intro music. That's Superman of course. John and Rasick
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  Speaker 1: singing but playing the piano is a very special guest
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  Speaker 1: of John from a very special video that I put
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  Speaker 1: in my timeline has did millions of others over the
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  Speaker 1: last week alone. John and Drazick joins me live from California.
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  Speaker 1: John tell people about what they're seeing if they're watching
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  Speaker 1: the Salem News Channel, what they're hearing about, a lot
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  Speaker 1: about how that all came together, because a lot of people,
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  Speaker 1: as Ed Morris he said, had a lot of dusts
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  Speaker 1: in the air when they saw that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Hugh, nice to be with you.
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  Speaker 1: As always.
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  Speaker 3: What they're seeing as a true miracle.
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  Speaker 4: Many and many know that we made a video for
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  Speaker 4: a loone O wel and the Hostages with a new
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  Speaker 4: version of Superman about a year ago.
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  Speaker 3: And our hope in.
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  Speaker 4: Prayer was that one day I would sit down at
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  Speaker 4: the piano and sing Superman with Alone, who was a
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  Speaker 4: fantastic piano player. But I don't think any of us,
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  Speaker 4: if we were honest, thought that they would ever happen.
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  Speaker 3: But it did. It happened.
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  Speaker 4: He came to the United States, he walked out of
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  Speaker 4: the elevator. I had a spiritual moment just giving a
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  Speaker 4: hug that would never end. And we performed Superman at
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  Speaker 4: the APAC conference. And thank God for the President, Marco
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  Speaker 4: Rubio and everyone who made it happen.
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  Speaker 3: It was a true miracle. Hugh and I cheer up
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  Speaker 3: just watching it now.
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  Speaker 1: Well it gives me a well should I shout right
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  Speaker 1: here watching it? And I think to myself, you were
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  Speaker 1: at the yellow piano in Hostage Square. Then I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it was a Loans or whether it was
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  Speaker 1: dedicated to him. What was the story on the piano?
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  Speaker 3: John, that is a Loans piano?
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  Speaker 4: And when I was in Hostage Square, I didn't realize
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  Speaker 4: that his family put it there and people would just
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  Speaker 4: come play it. And I played it when I was there.
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  Speaker 4: I played Superman that night at Hostage Square when I
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  Speaker 4: ran bombed. And as soon as I kind of found
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  Speaker 4: that out, when his mother reached out to me to
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  Speaker 4: do this project, it.
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  Speaker 3: Took on another meeting.
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  Speaker 4: And again, it's just an example of good triumph and
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  Speaker 4: over evil.
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  Speaker 3: And I hope, I hope you people that see.
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  Speaker 4: It understand that this is a recognition of everybody who
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  Speaker 4: stood up for the Hostages, including you, Hugh, including Dwayne,
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  Speaker 4: everybody who would not let their play fade away. It
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  Speaker 4: is a victory for us, and I hope everyone can
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  Speaker 4: see it and take joy in it like I do.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's going to inspire a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: who are in tough places, because your tough place is
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  Speaker 1: not a homage, torture tunnel, Your tough place is not
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  Speaker 1: really being no objective reason to hope.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if he had a chance to talk.
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  Speaker 1: To Alan, either before after a sense or in the
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  Speaker 1: future of its plan. That performance of his was, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's pretty high wire stuff, and he carried it off.
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  Speaker 1: He played it by the way you hit every note.
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  Speaker 1: That's he said, Wow, John's not losing a thing here
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  Speaker 1: in his performance.
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  Speaker 5: How was that high pressure for both of you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you.
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  Speaker 4: You know, spending a day with him rehearsing and his family,
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  Speaker 4: he is in amazing mental shape.
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  Speaker 3: He is very humble, but he is very strong.
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  Speaker 4: And I kept finding myself going over and touching him,
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  Speaker 4: just putting my hand on his back, just because I
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  Speaker 4: couldn't believe.
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  Speaker 6: He was there.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I have to say, if you can
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  Speaker 4: survive seven hundred days in a torture tunnel, playing a
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  Speaker 4: gig for a few folks, for Apak was nothing.
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  Speaker 3: No problem for him. He had the poise.
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  Speaker 4: He was speaking to everybody and we didn't talk a
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  Speaker 4: lot about his experience. But one interesting thing he said
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  Speaker 4: when when they took some of the other hostages away
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  Speaker 4: from him, they asked him if he wanted someone else
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  Speaker 4: to stay with him, and he said no, And I
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  Speaker 4: asked him why and he said.
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  Speaker 3: Because I would get more food.
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  Speaker 4: That just showed how brutal situation was and a kind
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  Speaker 4: of fun highlight. After we performed, we went to a
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  Speaker 4: deli in d C. And we were talking. I said,
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  Speaker 4: you know what did you miss the most? He goes,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I always thought it about was a
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  Speaker 4: chocolate shake with Bailey's a chocolate shake with Bailey's and
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  Speaker 4: I ran.
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  Speaker 3: Basically the deli was closing, but I said, whatever you.
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  Speaker 4: Gotta do, you know, I'll pay whatever. I needed a
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  Speaker 4: chocolate shake with Bailey's right now, and they brought it
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  Speaker 4: out and I have a picture of a Loan drinking
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  Speaker 4: his chocolate stick with Bailey's, and again, it was just
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  Speaker 4: it was just truly wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: Now, if the Grammys were not politically broken, and if
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  Speaker 1: there was the appropriate category, I would start a campaign
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  Speaker 1: to nominate that video for performance that inspires. But I
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  Speaker 1: don't think they have that category. And I don't think
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  Speaker 1: the Grammy voters are able to see how evil Hamas
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  Speaker 1: is or how great Alan is for resilience, endurance and art.
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  Speaker 1: Am I wrong about that? Is there any hope for
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  Speaker 1: the Grammy voting electorate?
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  Speaker 4: Well, actually, when we put out the Okay We're Not
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  Speaker 4: Okay song, I was reached out to by some folks
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  Speaker 4: in the music industry who sent it to Narris and
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  Speaker 4: said this song should be played at the Grammys, and
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  Speaker 4: of course it was rejected. There are folks in the
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  Speaker 4: music industry who understand and frankly, any of them who
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  Speaker 4: reached out to me since this alone video came out
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  Speaker 4: with tears in their eyes, but unfortunately they are consumed
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  Speaker 4: with the wokeism that is kind of, you know, infecting
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  Speaker 4: our youth, and the cowardice that many who understand what
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  Speaker 4: we're doing and understand Israel the good guy is the
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  Speaker 4: good guy, are suffering from. So again, this transcends music,
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  Speaker 4: it transcends the music business, and I'm just glad we
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  Speaker 4: have these counter salvos to the incredible anti Semitism we're
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  Speaker 4: seeing from many musical acts, you know. And I think
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  Speaker 4: for our Jewish friends that this video gave them a
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  Speaker 4: shot in the arm, especially after the New York Times
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  Speaker 4: in Christoff's abomination. I wanted to put this out a
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  Speaker 4: little later, but as soon as I saw that abomination,
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, we're putting this out now because we need
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  Speaker 4: to counter that disgusting article that the New York Times published.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it was well done, it was well timed.
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  Speaker 1: It has gone everywhere, and I will reap it in
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  Speaker 1: the course of the show to make sure everyone can
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  Speaker 1: find it easily on my ex account and just go
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  Speaker 1: to John and Drasic or five for Fighting, and you
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  Speaker 1: will find the video with Alan and John singing Superman.
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  Speaker 1: He got a good voice. Does he have a musical
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  Speaker 1: career plan? John, do you know what he plans to do?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, he actually had a very nice career going in Israel.
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  Speaker 4: He's a classical piano pianist, but he plays many other genres,
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  Speaker 4: so he has a ton of gigs. And don't be
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  Speaker 4: shocked if on US two fifty July fourth, you might
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  Speaker 4: see another rendition of Superman with Alan and John.
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  Speaker 5: So where that would be.
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  Speaker 1: It comes, That's something to mark down on the calendar.
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  Speaker 1: John and Drazick. Always good to see you, my friend.
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  Speaker 1: I'll see you this summer when you're on tour, and
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  Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing the July fourth. The second
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  Speaker 1: miracle happened. That first video is its own miracle. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you John. The program I hope you're watching on the
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  Speaker 1: Salem News Channel, listening to a Salem radio network or
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  Speaker 1: one of our radio affiliates across the United States. I'm
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  Speaker 1: joined now by Senator Joni Ernst of Iowa Center. Good
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  Speaker 1: to see you again, our mutual friend John and Rosick
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  Speaker 1: was just done with me telling you about his performance
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  Speaker 1: of Superman with Elan the hostage jail. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you've seen the video yet. It's very touching.
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen that video yet?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: See texted that to me just a couple of days ago,
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  Speaker 8: and wow, I cry.
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  Speaker 7: Every No kidding.
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  Speaker 8: And maybe I'm supposed to be a hard nosed politician,
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  Speaker 8: but I think especially when it comes to the hostages
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  Speaker 8: and the work that John Andrasick has done, as well
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  Speaker 8: as so many different Americans and the various groups helping
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  Speaker 8: these hostages, the hostage families. But to see this culminate
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  Speaker 8: in such a beautiful rendition of Superman, it just it
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  Speaker 8: really did bring tears to my eyes.
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  Speaker 1: It was fine having John on and tell people I've
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  Speaker 1: reposted it my website on my exicounting and wants to
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  Speaker 1: see it. Sarata, You've been involved in two I profile hearings.
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  Speaker 1: I watched all of the airedman hearing yesterday and I
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  Speaker 1: had mixed mixed reviews of that. I liked your remarks.
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  Speaker 1: I thought Senator Johnson Senator Holly are appropriately outreached. I
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  Speaker 1: thought Senator Moody was right to talk about the free
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  Speaker 1: state of Florida. But I was left wondering who changed
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  Speaker 1: the report. We got the big reveal that between August
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  Speaker 1: twelve and August seventeenth and twenty twenty one, someone in
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  Speaker 1: the CIA changed their report.
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  Speaker 5: Do we know who changed it yet?
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  Speaker 8: Well, exactly, that's the question that we are left with.
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  Speaker 8: And I was on a local radio station back home
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  Speaker 8: in Iowa and we were talking about this and how
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  Speaker 8: did it go from one day where the CIA thought
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  Speaker 8: it was a lad leak to the very next day
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  Speaker 8: change from oh, it was naturally occurring. We know that
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  Speaker 8: Anthony Fauci had visited with the intelligence community, that was
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  Speaker 8: revealed in this oversight hearing, but we don't no exactly
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  Speaker 8: who changed the report. And so while we've uncovered a
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  Speaker 8: number of steps to this lie that was perpetuated out
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  Speaker 8: to the American people through the last several years, we
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  Speaker 8: still don't know exactly who did it, why they did it,
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  Speaker 8: and that's yet to be uncovered. So we didn't get
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  Speaker 8: that answer.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I think the guy I don't suspect is former
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  Speaker 1: Director William Burns. He's not the only competent guy in
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  Speaker 1: the Biden administration, but he was abroad most of the time.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't know. I hope you follow up on it,
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  Speaker 1: but you shoerdainly frame the question today. You had Admiral
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  Speaker 1: Cooper before the Armed Services. What did you make of
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  Speaker 1: his presentation?
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 8: And Admiral Cooper is one of the most successful what
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  Speaker 8: we call flag officers general or morals that we have
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  Speaker 8: in our United States Military force. And he is commanded
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  Speaker 8: at all levels and served, of course as the vice
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  Speaker 8: of Central Command before he became the combatant commander.
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  Speaker 7: So his presentation was very thoughtful.
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  Speaker 8: He leaves the policy decisions to those policy makers coming
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  Speaker 8: out of the administration, but he's very thoughtful on military
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  Speaker 8: actions and was able to, I believed, adequately answer all
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  Speaker 8: of the questions that were posed by both Democrats and Republicans.
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  Speaker 5: Were playing the film there very thoughtfully.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're playing the film of the rookie on the
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  Speaker 1: committee Ashley Moody who asked him, were the Iranians engaging?
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  Speaker 1: I did not know that they had attacked American troops
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  Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty times prior to In the thirty
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  Speaker 1: months prior to our initiation of our forces, they kept
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  Speaker 1: attacking and attacking. Do you think you ron wanted this?
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  Speaker 1: Did they really wanted to attack them?
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  Speaker 8: I don't know that they wanted us to attack them,
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  Speaker 8: but for so long they have been attacking Americans American bases,
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  Speaker 8: and of course, through the twenty years of the Global
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  Speaker 8: War on Terrorism, we saw United States Americans killed by
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  Speaker 8: the very IEDs and other explosive devices that were manufactured
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  Speaker 8: by the Iranians.
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  Speaker 7: So this is not news to me.
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  Speaker 8: I'm very glad that the Admiral fleshed this out in
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  Speaker 8: an open hearing. But for those of us that have
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  Speaker 8: served in the military and have served on these types
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  Speaker 8: of committees, we've known that the Iranians have been coming
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  Speaker 8: after Americans for decades now. So thanks to the Admiral
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  Speaker 8: for uncovering that.
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  Speaker 1: Centator, and here in your last few years as of
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  Speaker 1: the Unit Kates, Senator, you've always been a great proponent
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  Speaker 1: of melitary strength. What are your objectives in the last
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  Speaker 1: two years? Is it the NDAA? Is it the appropriation
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  Speaker 1: one point five trillion? Is it recon What's number one
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  Speaker 1: on Jony Ernst to do list before you retire?
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  Speaker 8: When it comes to our military, it is absolutely modernization
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  Speaker 8: of the fource. So I serve as the chair of
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  Speaker 8: the Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities, and this is
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  Speaker 8: where a lot of our modernization goes through. Whether it
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  Speaker 8: is hypersonic missiles, autonomous vehicles, artificial intelligence, quantum computing. All
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  Speaker 8: of that comes through my subcommittee. And this is where
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  Speaker 8: we must absolutely stay ahead of our adversaries. So when
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  Speaker 8: the President is proposing a one and a half trillion
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  Speaker 8: dollar budget for the Department of Defense, I am supportive
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  Speaker 8: of that because we cannot maintain this competitive edge, our
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  Speaker 8: military advantage over our adversaries unless we are properly funding
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  Speaker 8: these types of advancements. China is nipping at our heels, Hugh,
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  Speaker 8: and we must stay ahead of them in this arena
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  Speaker 8: or we suffer the consequences.
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  Speaker 1: I spent lunch hour with Mike Gallagher, former Congressman Gallagher
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  Speaker 1: at the Hudson Institute. Herman Khan founded it. He believed
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  Speaker 1: in superiority, not equality, deterrence by overwhelming force.
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  Speaker 5: I do too.
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  Speaker 1: I think we still have it. But when you hear
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  Speaker 1: Chairman g warn us about Taiwan, do you think he's
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  Speaker 1: getting over confident in his ability? Right after we wrecked Iran,
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  Speaker 1: which was defended in part by Chinese systems and components
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  Speaker 1: of systems.
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  Speaker 7: This is Chinese posturing and President.
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  Speaker 8: She of course is going to do that. But what
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  Speaker 8: I will say, as has been demonstrated, whether it was
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  Speaker 8: Operation Midnight Hammer, Operation Epic Theory, whether it was our
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  Speaker 8: raid and cure of Nicholas Maduro, we have demonstrated to
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  Speaker 8: the world the might and the skill of America's fighting force.
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  Speaker 8: The Chinese have not been exercised to that level for
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  Speaker 8: decades now, so we maintain the edge.
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  Speaker 7: But Hugh, we cannot let it slip.
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  Speaker 8: We must continue to develop and strengthen our own military.
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  Speaker 1: One of your colleagues in the caucas Susan Collins and Main,
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  Speaker 1: a Chair of Appropriation. I wouldn't use the word skeptical,
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  Speaker 1: but she was probing about that request. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: that we have a minute? Do you think the President
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  Speaker 1: will get his trillion and a half either via supplemental
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  Speaker 1: or reconciliation or just the ordinary appropriations process.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I think we have a fair shot at it.
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  Speaker 8: So yes, I do think it's necessary.
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  Speaker 7: And this is the message.
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  Speaker 8: That we have to communicate to all of the members
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  Speaker 8: across the US Congress, and we must be able to
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  Speaker 8: explain where those dollars are going.
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  Speaker 7: Just remember the flip side of this.
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  Speaker 8: I am a fiscal hawk when it comes to fraud, waste,
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  Speaker 8: and abuse within the federal government. There has been a
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  Speaker 8: fair share of that at the Department of Defense. So
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  Speaker 8: if we can explain to our taxpayers why we are
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  Speaker 8: doing what we're doing with their dollars, then we have
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  Speaker 8: a great shot of achieving the president's goal.
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  Speaker 1: Center Ns, please keep coming back right up to you
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  Speaker 1: across the finish line and thereafter.
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  Speaker 5: Always good to see you.
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  Speaker 1: Senator Joni Earns from Iowa on the Armed Services Committee
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  Speaker 1: and Homeland Security. Thank you. I'll be right back.
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  Speaker 5: I'm the Salem New Channel, Salem.
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  Speaker 1: Radio Network and are wonderful affiliate. Welcome back, America. I'm
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  Speaker 1: give you it. Josh Roschauer joins me. He's editor in
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  Speaker 1: chief of Jewish Insider Josh. Later in the program, I'll
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  Speaker 1: be joined by Aviv Ready Gore, Michael Lauren from Israel.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get reaction from Israel to the rape
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  Speaker 1: dog story, the idiocy of the New York Times, the
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  Speaker 1: Christoph smear. What's your personal reaction to that even making
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  Speaker 1: it into print.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's pretty shocking, Hue. I mean, I've submitted op
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  Speaker 9: eds that have been published in the New York Times,
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  Speaker 9: and let me tell you, it took layers and layers
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  Speaker 9: of fact checking and quality control before even a simple
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  Speaker 9: political analysis was able to make it into print. They
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  Speaker 9: have known, at least historically, have been known for having
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  Speaker 9: those types of layers of quality control. So to have
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  Speaker 9: such a thinly sourced obscene document, you know, I know, Hugh,
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  Speaker 9: You've been talking about all the kind of obscenities in
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  Speaker 9: the column, But one of the things that just stands
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  Speaker 9: out to me is that one of the stated sources
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  Speaker 9: in the piece is this organization called Euromed Human Rights
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  Speaker 9: Monitor WHO, which is an organization whose founder has clear
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  Speaker 9: ties to senior Hamas leaders, and they have a long
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  Speaker 9: history Hue of retailing all kinds of obscene claims, blood
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  Speaker 9: libelist claims against Israel for many, many years. This is
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  Speaker 9: not a new organization and it's been well established. So
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  Speaker 9: for that organization specifically to be named in the column
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  Speaker 9: and to be listed as a source for some of
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  Speaker 9: these most extravagant claims and.
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  Speaker 5: Not get past track check, don't get past.
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  Speaker 9: Quality control, it's something I can't ever imagine at a
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  Speaker 9: publication like The New York Times. But I guess things
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  Speaker 9: aren't like they used to be, Hugh, it really is.
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  Speaker 1: They're not, Josh. I'm astonished as well. And it's been debunked,
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  Speaker 1: and that doesn't matter because Mark Twain famously said lies
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  Speaker 1: halfway around the world before truth gets its boots on.
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  Speaker 1: So it's out there, it's in the ether now, and
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  Speaker 1: it adds to the anti Semitism that is growing and
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  Speaker 1: is a problem. I will have a viv Ready Gouron
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  Speaker 1: to talk about Hussein Monsieur's view that the Democratic Party
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: has been captured by the radical left, as has been
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: the New York Times, and the radical left demands homage
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: to being anti Israel and it really anti Semitic.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: He also.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Monsieurs and Egyptian predicts it will mean the end of
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: the Democratic Party ability to win national election because it's
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: weird and radical and that's not America. Do you share
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: that optimistic take.
• 19:12
  Speaker 9: Well, I think in swing districts and swing states and
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: the ability to hold power, that may be the case.
• 19:17
  Speaker 9: But I just wrote today, Hugh about four different House
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: races and the forget about the big Senate races. We've
• 19:23
  Speaker 9: talked about the Michigan race, the main race of Grand Platner.
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: There are four house races coming up in the next
• 19:28
  Speaker 9: couple of months where the front runner or leading candidate
• 19:33
  Speaker 9: for the nomination is a out and out DSA member
• 19:36
  Speaker 9: or DSA endorsed candidate. DSA is the Democratic Socialists of America,
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: and these candidate all you have to do is look
• 19:42
  Speaker 9: at the platform in these different cities and the national platform.
• 19:46
  Speaker 9: I mean, it's outright anti semitic. It's extreme as it gets.
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: It's also defund the police. It's also you know, let's
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: not have any borders. I mean, there are all kinds
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: of very exotic and radical positions, but on the question
• 19:58
  Speaker 9: of anti semitism in Israel, I mean, I think most
• 20:01
  Speaker 9: of if you just look at their material, you will
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: find it's objectively anti semitic. And yet there's nothing being
• 20:06
  Speaker 9: done in these safe democratic seats to stop or you know,
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: check the power of these DSA A line candidates into
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: higher office. In my you know, I'm right outside of Washington, Hugh.
• 20:17
  Speaker 9: The leading candidate for mayor of Washington, d C, a
• 20:21
  Speaker 9: woman by the name of Denice Lewis George, is a
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: DSA endorsed candidate against a more moderate, business oriented candidate.
• 20:29
  Speaker 9: But I don't think we really appreciate how quickly you
• 20:32
  Speaker 9: know this, this this fringe has taken over parts of
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: the Democratic Party, especially in cities and very deep blue
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: precincts in the country. And it really is showing itself
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: when it comes to anti Semitism Israel. But it's also
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: true of a whole lot of other issues that are
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: not going to be palatable to your average swing voter.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Now, I've spent a couple of segments over this week
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: trying to educate people on the Dreyfus affair, because I
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: think the christoph column is the American dryfish affair. And
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: it's not going to take ten years to get justice
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: for the people of smeared here. It's already been done.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: But that radical fringe doesn't want justice. They want power,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: and they're going to win those four congressional seats and
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: they might be marrior of DC, just like mom. Donnie
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: is anti Semitic and he'd won in New York. However,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: there is a limit in America where all of a sudden,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the bounce back, the blowback is enormous against Democrats everywhere.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: How close are we to that limit?
• 21:32
  Speaker 9: Well, one, if you're in a blue state or if
• 21:34
  Speaker 9: you Blue city, Hue, it's one party rule. Look at California,
• 21:38
  Speaker 9: look look at New York, and the fact that no
• 21:40
  Speaker 9: one really felt they could have a chance at defeating
• 21:43
  Speaker 9: a more moderate I would say, a more liberal but
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: more establishment oriented Democrat and governor Kathy Hochle Elistephonic looked
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: at that race and ended up not pursuing it. We
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: are so polarized here, We're so partisan that you know,
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: you have one party rule in blue states and then yes,
• 21:58
  Speaker 9: red states as well, so there's less the fewer swing districts,
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: the fewer battleground states, and that makes it harder. I mean, yes,
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: that these types of ideas are purely toxic in those states.
• 22:09
  Speaker 9: But if you're in a safe enough state or district,
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: all you have to do is win the primary and
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: that's that's enough. And you know there are a number
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: of these. There's a guy in the city of Philadelphia.
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: This is a congressional seat in downtown Philadelphia where the
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: leading candidate right now is a guy who reposted an
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: item on Instagram thinking that the Bandai Beach terrorist attack
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: that killed fourteen Jews in Australia was a false flag
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: perpetrated by Zionists.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: That is the next congressman.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Potentially.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: That's good.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, it makes you crazy, but it defines the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Democratic Party as the party of crazies, and blue states
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: will have maps like Massachusetts and Tennessee all blue and
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: all red.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: But there are more red states.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: And by a healthy majority, Americans reject hate. I really
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: do think at ninety ten, ninety five to five, I
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: am optimistic that the alarm is sounding now about these
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: crazy people. I bet you're Jewish. I'm not.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Are you optimistic?
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: I am optimistic when you talk about America at large.
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: I am more pessimistic when it comes to just because
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: of social media and how people get otherwise, like someone
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: like Nick Christoff could fall for the most obscene of
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: old school anti semitism and not have any be so
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: credulous when people like that are buying some of the
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: worst anti Semitic hate.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: That's what scares me.
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: And that's happening increasingly in these very deep blue precincts
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: where there's no actual conversation taking place. It's all echo
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: chambers on social media or within your own little precincts.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: It is a mind virus.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Anti Semitism has always been in mind virus, and no
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: one's immune, not even calumnists like Nick Christoff. It does
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: present everyone who works for The New York Times with
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: a moral dilemma because they're pedaling the same sort of
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: hatred that the Nazis pedaled. So they have to decide
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: whether or not they want to stay with the paper.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Josh Krashauer, thank you for being my guest, followed Josh
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: on exit, Josh Krashaer, come right back. Lots more ad
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: on the US show. This is the Thursday of the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: week in which Nick Christoff, a long time and now
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: former friend of the program, set his reputation on fire
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: and branded himself as an anti semit the equal of anything.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: That Carribles could have wished for.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: And I'm joined now by a former ambassador of Israel
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: in the United States, doctor Michael Orrin, founder of the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Israel Advocacy Forum. Doctor Orrin, I am not surprised by
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: anti semitism when I run into it. I am surprised
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: when I run into it informally smart people who've got
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the mind virus to What do you attribute this? Because
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Nick Christoph was a moderate man on the left who's
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: now slid into the worst tropes of antisemitic excess. What happened?
• 24:50
  Speaker 10: Well, I think that that article was the product of
• 24:52
  Speaker 10: several processes that go back, and some of them could
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: be traced back to the youth rebellion of the nineteen sixties,
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: which took over campuses and educated generation after generation of students,
• 25:02
  Speaker 10: particularly in the elite universities, to hate America, hate the West,
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: to hate Israel and hate the Jews.
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: That's one process.
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: The other process of the New York Times, New York Times,
• 25:13
  Speaker 10: which has set out assiduously since the time when I
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: was ambassador we're talking about now, over the course of
• 25:17
  Speaker 10: fifteen years, assiduously to chip away at Israel's legitimacy and
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: through countless articles. It was my successor in Washington, Ron Dermer,
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: who talked about ten years ago that the New York
• 25:30
  Speaker 10: Times becoming a cesspool of anti Semitism.
• 25:33
  Speaker 11: That was ten years ago.
• 25:35
  Speaker 10: And why the New York Times has done this because
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: New York Times represents that cadre of New York elite,
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: many of them Jewish, by the way, who are not
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: friends of the Jewish State, not Zionists.
• 25:47
  Speaker 11: And going back, this is the.
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: Same New York Times that wouldn't report on the Holocaust,
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: if you remember so, it was Holocaust was too Jewish
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: for them. That's that process, and then that is what's
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: happening within the Democratic part The New York Times is
• 26:01
  Speaker 10: basically a wing of the Democratic Party where anti Semitism
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: has proceeded and deepened, unchecked, unchecked. There's no equivalent to
• 26:10
  Speaker 10: uh to uh to Ted Cruz in the Democrat but
• 26:15
  Speaker 10: there's no one calling out the party and telling them
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: to stop.
• 26:17
  Speaker 11: So anti Senitism is advancing, unchecked.
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: And now in order to be a candidate with the
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: Democratic Party, you have to say, well, I'm going to cut.
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: Off aid to Israel.
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: You have got to cut off trade with China, which
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: puts a million Muslims in concentration camps, not only the
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: Jewish State, and you won't accept you accept money from
• 26:35
  Speaker 10: any any lobby in Washington. Then, as you know, there
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: are thousands of Washington the Washington lobbies. You can take
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: them from the gun lobby, the backo lobby, any lobby
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: you want. You just can't take it from the lobby
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: that supports the one and only Jewish state.
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: That by definition is anti Semitism.
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: You've got a party there that's running a card carrying
• 26:53
  Speaker 10: anti Semite for the Senate in Michigan. Another candidate whereas
• 26:57
  Speaker 10: it Maine, with a Nazi tattoo on his chest is
• 27:00
  Speaker 10: the Democratic Party today, and this is what the New York
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: Times writes for so is that, But this takes it
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: to a different.
• 27:06
  Speaker 11: Level, Hue.
• 27:07
  Speaker 10: As you know, the average op ed in the New
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: York Times, god knows, I've written dozens and dozens of them,
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: is about seven eight hundred words.
• 27:13
  Speaker 11: They're very strict about their word limit. This article was
• 27:16
  Speaker 11: something in the order.
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: Of five to six thousand words and based entirely on
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: sources known to have ties to Hamas or rapidly anti Israel.
• 27:26
  Speaker 10: And because it's in an op ed, they don't have
• 27:28
  Speaker 10: any responsibility for, you know, actually checking on the sources.
• 27:32
  Speaker 11: And it was posted literally a.
• 27:34
  Speaker 10: Day before the Israeli government came out with its report
• 27:38
  Speaker 10: on rape as a sexual weapon and used by Hamas
• 27:41
  Speaker 10: on October seventh, and after, so it was designed to
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: torpedo Israel's report and basically said, well, you know, Hampas
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: used rape only on one day, but Israel uses rape
• 27:51
  Speaker 10: as a weapon every day.
• 27:53
  Speaker 11: That was the message. So that is the big picture.
• 27:55
  Speaker 10: I'm sorry for going on, But why is this fundamentally
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: fundamentally anti Semitic. It's because anti Semitism you always portrays
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: Jews as the worst enemy of any society. So if
• 28:06
  Speaker 10: you're you're a capitalist, the Jews are gonna be comunist.
• 28:09
  Speaker 10: You're communist, Jews are going to be capitalists. If you're
• 28:11
  Speaker 10: an internationalist, they're going to be cause they're going to
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: be nationalists, and vice on Jews. The Jewish state has
• 28:17
  Speaker 10: been accused of recent years of racism, colonialism, apartheid, and
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: the worst thing they could have said was genocide. There's
• 28:25
  Speaker 10: only one thing that's actually worse than genocide, and that.
• 28:28
  Speaker 11: Is systematic state run rape. That's it. You can't get
• 28:33
  Speaker 11: the lower than that because that's totally irredeemable.
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: And what this is about is anti Semitism at the most,
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: at the profoundest level.
• 28:41
  Speaker 11: And in the United States, the NETSANAO.
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: And our Fire Ministry get on the side, have announced
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: that the Wills now sue the New York Times for libel.
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: I ardently hope, hardly hope that they sue them for
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: a billion dollars. And when this article leads to violence,
• 28:56
  Speaker 10: people getting hurt and perhaps worse, God forbid, I hope
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: the families of those victims will soothe the New York
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: Times for a billion dollars. Because the New York Times
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: has blood on his hands.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Doctor Ryan. You know the standard is and by the way,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I think they can meet this standard reckless with disregard
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: for the truth or simple understanding that you know that
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: it's not true. This is recklessly indifferent to the truth.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Because as I think everyone now knows who's investigated, and
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I don't go too deep into this because children might
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: be listening. Dog rape is impossible and the allegation never
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: do have made it in and the other sources ought
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: to have been investigated. What is shocking to me not
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Hassan Piker. Hassan Piker is a dummy. A lot of
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: anti Semites are dummies. I mean ignorant, stupid people. That's
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: not Nick Kristop. So this mind virus is spreading. Even
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Ram and Manuel signed on to the no Arms for Israel.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: It's like the entry ticket you've got to have punched
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: to get in the Democratic Party. Now, how long can
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: a party exist if they've gone full anti Well.
• 30:02
  Speaker 10: I want to quote an interesting source for the Democratic Party,
• 30:05
  Speaker 10: and that is Ted Cruz and what he has said
• 30:07
  Speaker 10: to the Republican Party that anti Semitism will destroy the
• 30:10
  Speaker 10: party from within and ultimately will destroy the nation. That
• 30:13
  Speaker 10: has been the record of anti Semitism throughout history, and
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: Ted is exactly right. And I would hope that Rama Manuel,
• 30:19
  Speaker 10: somebody in the Democratic Party would grow a pair I
• 30:23
  Speaker 10: say this on this program and stand up and say
• 30:25
  Speaker 10: enough that this is going to lead to bloodshed, and
• 30:28
  Speaker 10: it's all lead to our destruction as a party, perhaps
• 30:30
  Speaker 10: of the nation itself, but certainly certainly it's going to
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: lead to violence against American Jews.
• 30:36
  Speaker 11: It's already happened.
• 30:38
  Speaker 10: Those people of those at synagogues that have attacked the
• 30:40
  Speaker 10: Jews have been killed, have been killed by people saying,
• 30:42
  Speaker 10: you know, Palestine, Free Palestine, from the rivers to the sea.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:46
  Speaker 10: It's all connected somehow to anti Zionism that the people
• 30:51
  Speaker 10: can still insist to somehow anti Zionism is separate, distinguishable
• 30:54
  Speaker 10: from anti Semitism.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: It is not.
• 30:57
  Speaker 10: There are no campus protests against the Rush invasion of Ukraine,
• 31:01
  Speaker 10: no campus protests against the actual genocides of the Sudan
• 31:05
  Speaker 10: and the Yemen.
• 31:06
  Speaker 11: Only against the Jewish state. All these roads lead to
• 31:10
  Speaker 11: one thing, hatred of Jews.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Hatred of jew So let me bring this to the
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: to the personal level. I am reading Nicholas Lemon's long,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: very wonderful memoir of growing up Jewish in New Orleans,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: and it's called Returning and it's a fabulous memoir. He
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: works for the New York Or he was the Dean E. Meredith,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Or he is a so Nicholas knows Nick. If you're
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: an and he's Jewish. What do you do at a
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: personal level when you find out your friend or colleague
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: is an anti semi.
• 31:41
  Speaker 11: Well, here to quote. You know they're anti Semitic. You know,
• 31:44
  Speaker 11: in effect, maybe not intent.
• 31:46
  Speaker 10: If you were to say the Nicholas fifths of hey,
• 31:47
  Speaker 10: you're an anti semi you're a true Jew hater, he
• 31:49
  Speaker 10: would deny it that I have in it. But it
• 31:51
  Speaker 10: doesn't matter if he's sprouting anti Semitism. I don't know
• 31:55
  Speaker 10: what's in his heart.
• 31:55
  Speaker 11: It's irrelevant. What's in his heart's which which is?
• 31:59
  Speaker 10: Which is will be his responsibility and his culpability will
• 32:02
  Speaker 10: be the madman who reads his article and that then
• 32:07
  Speaker 10: decides to go into a synagogue and shoot up a
• 32:08
  Speaker 10: bunch of Jews.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: You know, he's not answering his critic. That's the ambassador.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: He is trying to turn the page over on his
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: ex account. He's writing about other stuff. He'll never turn
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the page. It's indelible. But again, if you're his friend
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: or colleague, do you say to him, I can't be
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: with you. You are an anti semi. Whether or not
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: you understand that, is that what people ought to do.
• 32:32
  Speaker 10: I've done it already, and it is, by the way,
• 32:35
  Speaker 10: gut wrenching. I've lost some very dear friends over the
• 32:38
  Speaker 10: course the last two and a half years, precisely, precisely
• 32:41
  Speaker 10: for this reason that I will not maintain the friendship
• 32:45
  Speaker 10: with someone who accuses Israel of training dogs to rape
• 32:49
  Speaker 10: Palaestadian prisoners, or any of the other totally heenous libels
• 32:53
  Speaker 10: that they have been thrown at us.
• 32:54
  Speaker 11: And yes, it is painful, but you do it. Of
• 32:57
  Speaker 11: course you do it.
• 32:58
  Speaker 10: And I just had one thing, a memoir several years
• 33:01
  Speaker 10: ago called ally Oh, It's a great men, long Jewish
• 33:03
  Speaker 10: joke is now available at the famis that reduced the
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: prices I brought about growing up as the only Jewish
• 33:08
  Speaker 10: kid in a Catholic neighborhood and getting beat up for
• 33:12
  Speaker 10: killing Jesus. And when I published it, many of my
• 33:15
  Speaker 10: Jewish friends said to me, well, I don't get this
• 33:17
  Speaker 10: is no antisemitism in America. I've never experienced anti Semitism,
• 33:20
  Speaker 10: and nobody says that anymore.
• 33:23
  Speaker 11: And the book, you know, I don't want to seal that.
• 33:26
  Speaker 10: I feel vindicated in some way, but it is personally
• 33:30
  Speaker 10: exquisitely painful for me to having grown up with anti Semitism,
• 33:34
  Speaker 10: having come to Israel in a way in response to that,
• 33:37
  Speaker 10: and then to see my people infused, infused with anti Semitism,
• 33:41
  Speaker 10: surrounded with it in this way.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: Now I've made the argument this way, it's our drip
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: as affair.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: It's the moment where someone has to send it up
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and say, Jacques Hues and I don't know who our
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Zola is. It might be Ted Cruz. Do you expect
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: any American to rebuke him who's not Jewish?
• 33:58
  Speaker 11: It would be Democratic Party.
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: I mean I met a daughter there.
• 34:02
  Speaker 11: I mean for Ted Cruise to do that's he's done it.
• 34:05
  Speaker 11: You know, Lindsey Graham has done it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 10: I want to see somebody who hasn't done it stand
• 34:10
  Speaker 10: up and say okay, enough is enough. And you know
• 34:13
  Speaker 10: I have I've always had a relationship with Ron Emanuel,
• 34:16
  Speaker 10: who worked very closely together and as somebody who you know,
• 34:21
  Speaker 10: his father fought Forrie's independence in nineteen forty eight and
• 34:25
  Speaker 10: hasn't Israeli name.
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: And claims to have have served in the Israeli Army.
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: I would hope that rom would stand up and say
• 34:30
  Speaker 11: enough is enough.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: And I hope, I hope it starts showing. That was
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: the rubicon in the New York Times by net Christob
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Ambassador Michael Oran.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Follow him on at d R Michael Laurren, Doctor Michael Oran,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: follow me in the next segment on today if you
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: would do it, ship morn him back America. I'm due, Hewett.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Let's lighten things up for at least five minutes. My
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: friend Bick Matters is the number two over at the
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Washington Freebeacon, the Culture and Arts editor, the Week editor.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: There's also the co host of the Getting Hammered podcast,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: which is endlessly entertaining this week because Vick is teaching
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: his daughter to drive. Now, Vic, I did that three times,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: and as the dad, of course, you have to do it.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: And I only began in the school parking lot. I
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: gather you chose to begin on the Beltway. That's not
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: a good idea.
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  Speaker 6: No, we did not begin at the Beltway.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: This is very funny.
• 35:24
  Speaker 12: The first time I drove with my daughter. It was
• 35:26
  Speaker 12: actually in a church school parking lot around the corner,
• 35:30
  Speaker 12: just to get you know, be able to sort of
• 35:33
  Speaker 12: you know, negotiate turns and practice things like parking and
• 35:37
  Speaker 12: making going in circles really and just repeating it over
• 35:40
  Speaker 12: and over again. But I seem to have infinitely more
• 35:43
  Speaker 12: patience with my daughter than my wife does, and so
• 35:46
  Speaker 12: that's fine.
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: I can deal with that. She knows when I start
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: to get loud, she handles that. She takes that in stride,
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: so she does okay.
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: But again, it's the things like talking and driving at
• 35:58
  Speaker 12: the same time that are a little bit tricky for her.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Now. I want to know, in the modern America world,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of kids don't even learn to drive. They
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: don't want to drive. I'd rather be on their phone.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: How are you communicating to her that she can never
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: look at her phone when she drives ever?
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: Well, the first thing we tell her is to never
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: look at her phone.
• 36:18
  Speaker 13: Ever when she drives.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's about it.
• 36:21
  Speaker 12: Like I said, when we went out to Middleburg, we
• 36:23
  Speaker 12: didn't even listen to music. I mean, the very thought
• 36:25
  Speaker 12: of her thinking about wanting to change a station or
• 36:27
  Speaker 12: commenting and being distracted by a song that she likes.
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: It was not worth the risk.
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: And you know, one of our greatest concerns, of course,
• 36:35
  Speaker 12: is being you're young, you're excited, you want to If
• 36:38
  Speaker 12: you're one of the first of your group of friends
• 36:40
  Speaker 12: to be able to drive, and you want to take
• 36:42
  Speaker 12: your friends around, that could be a recipe for, you know,
• 36:44
  Speaker 12: an accident.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: So you know, I think there are laws on the books, at.
• 36:49
  Speaker 12: Least here in Virginia where you're not allowed to take
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: more than one person not in your family.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: So that that's what we have going for us in
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: our favor.
• 37:00
  Speaker 12: And other than that, we just tell her really let
• 37:02
  Speaker 12: everyone else look at their phones, but you need to
• 37:04
  Speaker 12: really look around, look at signs. I mean, that's the
• 37:07
  Speaker 12: next thing she needs to do is look at the signs,
• 37:09
  Speaker 12: you know. But I mean there's a lot going on then,
• 37:11
  Speaker 12: as Mary Catherine said, we tend to take that for granted.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Oh I know. I love that we tend to take
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: the granted we know how to use the bathroom when
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: we're trying to do toilet training with a two year old,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: dido with a fifteen year old is driving. I just
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: want to say one more thing. Ten and two o'clock.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Of course, but you mentioned in passing that she would
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: be getting the car that is your car. Look, dad, yeah,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: why don't you just stay in that car and get
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: her a new car.
• 37:37
  Speaker 14: I'm not going to get her a new car and
• 37:39
  Speaker 14: watch that, you know, the value of that go down.
• 37:41
  Speaker 14: This is a least car that already has you know,
• 37:44
  Speaker 14: a few dings here and there because of you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 14: really tight spaces in my parking garage. No, she's getting
• 37:50
  Speaker 14: the fancy Subaru Legacy, that's what she's getting in a
• 37:53
  Speaker 14: beautiful gray, a beautiful.
• 37:55
  Speaker 12: You know, just the color a young girl wants. No,
• 37:58
  Speaker 12: so she's going to get that. And Hugh, you meant
• 38:00
  Speaker 12: ten and two. You're not going to believe this. The
• 38:02
  Speaker 12: new rule now is eight and four and the reason
• 38:04
  Speaker 12: for that is air The reason for that is air bags.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: Apparently air bags will break your arms in half if
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: you're at ten and ten. Yes, boy, am I dating myself?
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: By the way, what happened to drivers in it used
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: to be high school that.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: They would you know, you had to hire a driver,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: instructor take drivers. That is that gone? No?
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: I mean she has a class in her in her
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: school as well.
• 38:26
  Speaker 12: And in addition to that, you have to get forty
• 38:29
  Speaker 12: hours in and I think something like eleven or twelve
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: hours at night. I mean, you know, where are you
• 38:34
  Speaker 12: going at night? That's that's what I want to know.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: My wife Sugg just going. Yes, she suggests going on that.
• 38:42
  Speaker 12: Dullest road, the road to Dulles Airport, because there's a
• 38:45
  Speaker 12: very little traffic at night, so we can probably do that.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: All right now, I want to switch to Sarian stuff.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I've talked to Michael Lauren about the Nicholas Christoph column.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Have you ready Guras coming up later this hour most
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: of next hour. That's a bigger, longer discussion. Headline Israel
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: as soon New York Times Prime Minister Nan Yahoo, Foreign
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Minister getting sor say peace by columnist Nicholas Christoph is
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: quote one of the most hideous and distorted lives ever
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: published against the State of Israel in the modern press.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: What do you make of it?
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: What do you do? If you have the desk next
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: to Nick Christopo? There are probably no more desks at
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: the New York Times.
• 39:24
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, this is this is the question of
• 39:27
  Speaker 12: you know, what did they know and when did they
• 39:29
  Speaker 12: know it? In terms of the New York Times editorial process,
• 39:33
  Speaker 12: as you know, having an op ed.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: Which this story appeared as right, this.
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: Isn't breaking news, this isn't the front page, this.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Is this is this is opinion.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 39:43
  Speaker 12: And the question as well, if it's opinion, we're not
• 39:46
  Speaker 12: going to go through the same fact checking operation that
• 39:48
  Speaker 12: we do for a news story. It still gets fact checked,
• 39:51
  Speaker 12: but slightly differently or whatever it is that mister Statlander
• 39:55
  Speaker 12: over there at the New York Times explains, that's kind
• 39:58
  Speaker 12: of a problem.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: And as we know, the timing is an issue.
• 40:01
  Speaker 12: Hugh Israel is about to come out with a report
• 40:06
  Speaker 12: about the abuses that took place under Hermas after October
• 40:09
  Speaker 12: seventh and the treatment of Israeli hostages, and it's horrific.
• 40:13
  Speaker 12: It's not a coincidence that this story by Nicholas Christoff
• 40:16
  Speaker 12: alleging that prisoners are being you know, violated by animals
• 40:22
  Speaker 12: trained by the Israelis, which on the face of it
• 40:28
  Speaker 12: just seems absurd. And Ela Lake has written about this
• 40:31
  Speaker 12: obviously in the Free Press. We have written about a
• 40:34
  Speaker 12: number of these issues that the Washington Freebeacon ourselves and
• 40:36
  Speaker 12: Iris Stole has a piece out today that is relevant
• 40:40
  Speaker 12: to it as well.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: There are a lot of questions.
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 40:46
  Speaker 12: If Nicholas Christoph gets in any trouble for it, though he's.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Not going to they can't back down, but he might
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: suffer social cost. He got to people, you'll never be
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: back on this show. Unlet's say Repeatia twenty wrotes and
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: that doesn't bother him. Probably he's probably sold enough books.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: He's my age, he can retire. But I just think
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: it's unfortunate that a pretty good writer with a pretty
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: good reputation torched it just to join the end crowd
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: of anti semis. So let me ask you an editorial.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I've never been an editor, right, you know, I edit
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: student papers, but that's not You are an editor the
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: culture and arts program, and you do the book reviews,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: and you do a lot of editing. If something comes
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: across your desk and a ridiculous claim is made, absurd face,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: what do you do with it?
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: Do you call like a vet dog rate it's just
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: a stupid it's the thing. It ought to set off
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: a hundred alarms.
• 41:41
  Speaker 12: You have to really set apart your biases que because
• 41:45
  Speaker 12: you know you'll come across stories that you you know,
• 41:47
  Speaker 12: we all have very strong opinions and strong feelings about
• 41:50
  Speaker 12: different things that are happening in the world, and sometimes
• 41:53
  Speaker 12: you come across something that you so badly want to
• 41:56
  Speaker 12: be true because you feel a certain way about you know,
• 41:59
  Speaker 12: one fact or another. And this is clearly what happened,
• 42:02
  Speaker 12: I think at the times, because this is such an
• 42:04
  Speaker 12: incredible story, and wouldn't be so wonderful to publish the
• 42:07
  Speaker 12: story to humiliate the Israelis and to show the world
• 42:09
  Speaker 12: that they have somehow managed to train, you know, these
• 42:12
  Speaker 12: dogs to become rapists and that's just not how it works.
• 42:18
  Speaker 12: And if something like that, you know, comes to my attention,
• 42:22
  Speaker 12: I've been an editor now for you know, decades. The
• 42:26
  Speaker 12: first thing you want to know is, Okay, who are
• 42:27
  Speaker 12: the people who are feeding you this story.
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: That's the first thing. How many of these people can
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: you get on the.
• 42:33
  Speaker 12: Record, And then you have to vet it yourself. You
• 42:35
  Speaker 12: always have to be wary about the sources and you
• 42:38
  Speaker 12: know the spin that they're trying to They have their
• 42:40
  Speaker 12: own agenda. Everyone has their own agenda, Hue, and you
• 42:43
  Speaker 12: have to make sure that they're just not throwing stuff
• 42:45
  Speaker 12: up on the wall and seeing what sticks, because if
• 42:47
  Speaker 12: it doesn't stick, your name and your reputation is on
• 42:50
  Speaker 12: the line, not theirs. They just move on to the
• 42:52
  Speaker 12: next thing. But you know, tips come in all the time,
• 42:55
  Speaker 12: and you got to vet them, and I think they
• 42:57
  Speaker 12: were way too excited to do a thorough vetting of this.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: It's clearer because it's absurd and it's already been debunked.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Victor Reno Madis on X also at the Free Beacon,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: and of course on getting Hammered, enjoy the one that
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: came out before this abysmal abomination with vomited up so
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: go and listening to getting hammered when it was happy times.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Vick.
• 43:23
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• 43:28
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• 43:54
  Speaker 1: John Vick. John is the executive director of Concerned Veterans
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: for America. John, when I read your bio, I was
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: kind of astonished, because you're enlisted as a marine. After
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: nine to eleven, you deployed as a marine. Then you
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: came in mustang over to the United States Naval Academy,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: then you deployed again. What's the backstory there? Well, how
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: did they get you to leave being a marine? I
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: married the daughter of a marine and then go to
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: the academy. I've got a step I got a son
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: in law was an Annapolis grad.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: How'd that happen?
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: Unexpectedly? Yeah, I no, it's not too much.
• 44:27
  Speaker 15: Actually, I wanted to be in the Navy, and be
• 44:30
  Speaker 15: specifically to be a Navy officer since about fourth grade.
• 44:33
  Speaker 15: Nine to eleven happened when I was in high school,
• 44:36
  Speaker 15: and I was growing up in Texas at the time,
• 44:38
  Speaker 15: and just about everybody was joining the Marines, and so
• 44:41
  Speaker 15: went ahead and did that. Wouldn't trade it for the world,
• 44:43
  Speaker 15: but eventually ended up in the Navy, where I expected.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Well, I have had a number of people over the
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: twenty five years of this program, who served in Nbar Province,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: who served in both theaters as you have, And I'm
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: curious what would you say to them about celebrating being
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: the last full measure of a devotion their fallen comrades
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: this year, especially in our two hundred and fiftieth What
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: what Americans to do?
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: What your fellow veterans to do this year?
• 45:14
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 45:14
  Speaker 15: So, one of the reasons why I became involved with
• 45:17
  Speaker 15: Concerned Veterans for America and I'm the executive director now,
• 45:21
  Speaker 15: is that, you know, CVA, we are always in the fight,
• 45:23
  Speaker 15: but we're also not a rage bait machine, right. We
• 45:26
  Speaker 15: fight for American principles, and we understand that there is
• 45:29
  Speaker 15: nothing that is wrong with America that cannot be solved
• 45:32
  Speaker 15: by what is right with America. And I think Memorial
• 45:34
  Speaker 15: Day is a fantastic time to reflect upon the same
• 45:38
  Speaker 15: incredible gift that we all share and also realize that
• 45:42
  Speaker 15: gift was not free. Our inalienable rights have to be
• 45:45
  Speaker 15: defended by every generation, and that is something that veterans
• 45:48
  Speaker 15: very uniquely understand, you.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Know, John, One of the small steps I would suggest
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: to people, if there's a veteran cemetery near you, whether
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: it's Riverside, California, or I go to Arlington when my
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: wife and I are in the beltweit, we walk over there.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: It takes a few small steps to get around Arlington.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Do you encourage civilians to do that, because that really
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: does bring it home, especially on Memorial Day.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: I do.
• 46:12
  Speaker 15: I do, And you know, I would say in my
• 46:15
  Speaker 15: own veteran experience, Memorial Day becomes more and more impactful
• 46:20
  Speaker 15: every year. I mean everybody, most people know that Memorial
• 46:22
  Speaker 15: Day commemorates those that have made the ultimate sacrifice, meaning
• 46:25
  Speaker 15: that they died in defense of our nation. But it's
• 46:28
  Speaker 15: you know, Memorial Day does not just honor.
• 46:31
  Speaker 13: A death right.
• 46:32
  Speaker 15: It honors this unfathomable sacrifice of a person's future in
• 46:36
  Speaker 15: the countless moments and contributions that they will not be
• 46:39
  Speaker 15: able to make for our society because they were defending
• 46:41
  Speaker 15: our society. And you don't really think of it like
• 46:43
  Speaker 15: that in your twenties. So I do think it is
• 46:47
  Speaker 15: good for the soul and the mind to go and
• 46:49
  Speaker 15: appreciate the cost that was paid so that we can
• 46:52
  Speaker 15: now defend the rights and liberties and the futures that
• 46:56
  Speaker 15: we all want.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Now we are actually in a battle as we speak,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: there is a each fire, but it's not going to hold.
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: It hasn't held. We're in a war.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: What is your advice as civilians who don't know much
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: about war? You know it very well. I'm commenting about
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the war before, especially in a polarized environment like that
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: we're in right now.
• 47:18
  Speaker 15: Yeah, well, I mean you just have to be persistent.
• 47:20
  Speaker 15: I think, you know, you do need to get involved
• 47:22
  Speaker 15: and not you know, very small percentage of our country
• 47:24
  Speaker 15: actually serves in the military, but we were all American citizens, right,
• 47:28
  Speaker 15: And I think one of the most important things to
• 47:31
  Speaker 15: one of the most important rights that you have as
• 47:33
  Speaker 15: an American is to preserve your voice. And so when
• 47:36
  Speaker 15: we're talking about the cost of war and the weight
• 47:39
  Speaker 15: of the decision to go to war, you should be involved.
• 47:42
  Speaker 15: Right The reason our founders outlined some very specific things
• 47:46
  Speaker 15: that Americans should have a direct voice on through Congress,
• 47:49
  Speaker 15: things like you know what your taxes are going to
• 47:52
  Speaker 15: be and the choice between war and peace, right, and
• 47:55
  Speaker 15: so you know, I always encourage people to make sure
• 47:59
  Speaker 15: that you're getting involve. Help your congressman find their courage,
• 48:01
  Speaker 15: whether it's on your taxes, whether it's on war or
• 48:04
  Speaker 15: anything else. We have a very unique gift as Americans
• 48:08
  Speaker 15: to be involved in our system. And so whether you know,
• 48:11
  Speaker 15: whether it's something that you directly understand or not, there's
• 48:14
  Speaker 15: nothing stopping you from getting involved in sharing your voice
• 48:17
  Speaker 15: and being part of the solution.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I'm lendering John, it's not really a red state blue
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: state issue. But Admiral Cooper was in front of the
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Armed Services Committee today talking about the battle with Iran.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Do you watch that with a different set of eyes
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: than a civilian like me? Do you listen and hear
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: different things?
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: I think so.
• 48:38
  Speaker 15: I mean, you know, it's hard to you know, having
• 48:41
  Speaker 15: I enlisted in two thousand and three, right went off
• 48:43
  Speaker 15: to Iraq, and I when I came home from Iraq,
• 48:47
  Speaker 15: there were kids that were not yet born that ended
• 48:50
  Speaker 15: up serving in Iraq twenty years down the road. And
• 48:54
  Speaker 15: so and I remember, you know, all of the congressional hearings,
• 48:57
  Speaker 15: I remember the debate on going to war. Then it's
• 48:59
  Speaker 15: impossible not to hear some of the same rhythms. And
• 49:01
  Speaker 15: so for me, from my perspective, it's just very important
• 49:04
  Speaker 15: to stay involved.
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: Take one small step to do just that.
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  Speaker 1: John Vick, have a great Memorial Day when it comes
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  Speaker 1: up on us soon and everyone go and visit A
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  Speaker 1: like John, the concerned Veterans for America take one small
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  Speaker 1: step for the country. Welcome back America. I'm Jith Hewitt
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  Speaker 1: has promised. I'm joined now by Aviv Retti Gore. Aviv
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: is the Middle East correspondent for The Free Press. He
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: is also the proprietor of a substack Aviv gerr dot
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: substack dot com. He has his Patreon community under Havivrettick Gore.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: You can follow him on x at Aviv Ready Gore.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: He has also got the Ask Kaviv Anything podcast, which
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: led to this show a week ago. Today, Ave put
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: out a long interview with Hussein Mansour. Mansour is a
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: fellow with the Institute for the Global for the Study
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: of Global Anti Semetism and Policy. I had not ever
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: heard of this institute before, Aviv, and I missed your
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: earlier interviews with us, saying have many people told you
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: this was eye opening for them? Because it was very
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: eye opening for me.
• 50:22
  Speaker 13: That was, he talked about the Democratic Party in the
• 50:25
  Speaker 13: what he perceives as a surrender by the Democratic Party
• 50:29
  Speaker 13: elites to the radical left. And he's a fascinating guy.
• 50:34
  Speaker 13: He's Egyptian born, he fled to Egypt. He thinks sort
• 50:39
  Speaker 13: of radical thoughts in terms of Arab intellectuals, and he
• 50:44
  Speaker 13: has been at many and I think now he's affiliated
• 50:47
  Speaker 13: with JINSA, which is the Jewish Institute for National Security
• 50:51
  Speaker 13: Affairs in America. I think the AA is America in Washington.
• 50:57
  Speaker 13: A brilliant thinkers, serious guy. His substack is very intellectual.
• 51:01
  Speaker 13: He has argued many things, and among them is that
• 51:04
  Speaker 13: this happens often in left wing movements, where you'll have
• 51:08
  Speaker 13: a center left and there'll be a radical wing, and
• 51:13
  Speaker 13: the radical wing keeps coming in, keeps invading, keeps taking
• 51:17
  Speaker 13: over the institutions that slow march through the institutions that
• 51:20
  Speaker 13: we've seen in the Democratic Party. He thinks it models
• 51:24
  Speaker 13: exactly what happened to the Socialists in the nineteen thirty
• 51:28
  Speaker 13: is what happened to the French left after Algeria, and
• 51:30
  Speaker 13: just example after example after example. It's something the left
• 51:33
  Speaker 13: is particularly susceptible too, and has been for two centuries.
• 51:37
  Speaker 13: And his argument is the establishment thinks that it's throwing
• 51:41
  Speaker 13: Israel to the left, and the left is going to
• 51:43
  Speaker 13: be satisfied. But in fact it's not going to be
• 51:46
  Speaker 13: satisfied because it's not about Israel. It's about elite takeovers.
• 51:50
  Speaker 13: It's about one elite switching out another. And so that's
• 51:54
  Speaker 13: his message, his warning to the sort of mainline Democratic
• 51:58
  Speaker 13: Party leadership. I don't think the Democrats are going to listen,
• 52:02
  Speaker 13: but I think the rest of us are going to
• 52:04
  Speaker 13: understand what's happening when everything plays out the way he
• 52:07
  Speaker 13: expected to, you know, over the next fifteen years.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: That was what was so bracing for me. That's on
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: my trundle, right, I'm inside the Belway and I'm trundling along,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: and I'm listening to this fella. I've never heard of
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: the same mon Stoy talking to Aviv, and I always
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: listened to every ask Aviv anything, and he diagnoses what's
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: going on inside the Democratic Party. Now, Americans aren't really
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: that political. They're not like Israelis. They're not talking politics
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: all the time unless they happen to be in the Beltway.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: And we're very pragmatic. We love a carnival, We love
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: the circus where the culture that invented the Survivors show.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: We don't want to live it. We want to watch it.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: We've watched it for twenty seasons. We're in the twentieth
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: season of Survivor. We love game shows. Does ISRAELI have
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: game shows and soap operas by the way, hev do
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: you guys go for that?
• 52:56
  Speaker 13: We have soap operas and they're quite well. I mean,
• 53:02
  Speaker 13: I mean, you're putting me on the spot to bad
• 53:03
  Speaker 13: mouth my people, but they're terrible. They're really quite awful.
• 53:07
  Speaker 13: And we don't really have games. We have wonderful comedy.
• 53:11
  Speaker 13: Our comedy shows are our second to non parody shows,
• 53:16
  Speaker 13: news parodies and things like that.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: But I think, and I think you're far more political,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, more serious conversation about politics in Israel per
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: capita than the United States.
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: Would you agree with that?
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:31
  Speaker 13: There's a famous moment where I believe it was Bigan,
• 53:35
  Speaker 13: I think met with Nixon, if I'm not mistaken, and
• 53:41
  Speaker 13: Nixon says to him, I'm the president of one hundred
• 53:43
  Speaker 13: and fifty million people or whatever it was at the time,
• 53:45
  Speaker 13: and began said, you think that's hard, I'm the prime
• 53:48
  Speaker 13: minister of three and a half million prime ministers. So yes,
• 53:51
  Speaker 13: Israelis are very, very, very engaged politically. By the way,
• 53:55
  Speaker 13: for generations, Israelis have had among the highest voter turnouts
• 53:58
  Speaker 13: in elections. Not so much, not so much in the
• 54:02
  Speaker 13: last twenty years since the Second Intifada, since a little
• 54:05
  Speaker 13: bit of a kind of breakdown of our politics, but
• 54:07
  Speaker 13: before that, for generations, I'm of the highest in the West.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Well, this is a bit of a tease for next hour,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Thief's coming back and he's going to talk to us
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: about Franz Finan and what has happened over and over again.
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: It's really since the French Revolution.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: The left insists on revolution, violence occurs, violence is embraced,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: violence is glorified, and then violence eats whatever is left
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: and you end up with a Napoleon or whatever is
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: the modern Arab dictator. I believe Algeria is the case
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: study that you and the same monsieur used. But is
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: that a fair We'll start with Franz Finan next hour.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Is that a fair summary of the argument? There's a
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: cycle here, and the American Democratic Party has been caught
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: up in that cycle.
• 54:53
  Speaker 13: Yeah, And ironically in history it often involved the Jews,
• 54:58
  Speaker 13: the French, for example, that the Germans Socialists didn't have
• 55:02
  Speaker 13: anything special against the Jews. Some were anti Semites, some
• 55:05
  Speaker 13: were not. It wasn't important to their politics. They had
• 55:08
  Speaker 13: to deal with all kinds of socialist problems, workers and
• 55:10
  Speaker 13: wages and things like that. But the nationalists of Germany
• 55:14
  Speaker 13: were obsessed with the Jews, and at some point the
• 55:17
  Speaker 13: horseshoe theory right, the far right and far left are
• 55:21
  Speaker 13: the same working class that have the same basic needs
• 55:24
  Speaker 13: and critiques of the existing order, and so socialists to
• 55:27
  Speaker 13: win elections needed to concede on the Jewish question. And
• 55:30
  Speaker 13: they thought they would feed the far right the Jewish
• 55:32
  Speaker 13: question and then they could get on with their socialist politics.
• 55:35
  Speaker 13: And what ended up happening was that the Jewish question,
• 55:37
  Speaker 13: once they gave into it and went anti Semitic formally
• 55:42
  Speaker 13: or agreed to that agenda with the far right, it
• 55:46
  Speaker 13: just took over all of German politics and there was
• 55:48
  Speaker 13: nothing left. And so the left is often finds itself
• 55:51
  Speaker 13: conceding to various radicals and often finds itself with nothing
• 55:54
  Speaker 13: left once it's conceded.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: And the objectivity that come from having two non Americans
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: talk about American politics, specifically, the Democratic Party is bracing.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know which one of you said it, but
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: the statement was made. How many have given into anti
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Zionism as the price of admission to the democratic elite?
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Answer everyone, everyone from Rocana to Ram Emmanuel have conceded
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: anti Zionism, which is really anti Semitism dressed up for
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: consumption in the twenty first century. Don't go anywhere, America.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: I'm coming right back to close this hour out, and
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Aviva is going to come back at the start of
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: next hour. We're going to go deep and you're going
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: to have to learn about France, Fanahan and this theory
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: of violence because it really is eye opening on the
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Green Red alliance, because all the violence in the Middle
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: East in the last thirty months came from the Green side,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: the Islamist ten seven, the January Master in Iran. But
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: the theory of the violence that drobt that Hamani brought
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: to Iran and that he exported Amos or Amos got
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: from the Muslim brotherhood, It's it's all been around before.
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  Speaker 1: Hugh Race, America. Welcome to our three of Today's Thursday
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  Speaker 1: Use you at show. As promised last hour, Aviv. Ready,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Gore is back. Aviv. I'm going to reintroduce you, because
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: some stations in the United States leave off after hour
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: two and some pick up with hour three. Aviv is
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: the Middle East editor for The Free Press. He is
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: the proprietor of the Ask Kaviv Anything podcast. You have
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: a new substack avivgerd dot substack dot com has a
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Patreon community, and he's been a frequent guest on The
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: hu Hewitt Show. And I don't miss any of his podcasts.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: And the one that came out last Thursday, the timing
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: matters because it came out before Nick Christoff did his
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: abominable thing. And in that Thursday podcast, as I said,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: last hour, if you were listening, and I'll repeat this
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: hour in case you were, Aviv was talking with Hussein
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Mansour of the Institute for the Study of Global Anti
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Semitism and Policy, and Hussein positive that the democratic left
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: in America has demanded that all Democrats bend the knee
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: at the idol of anti Zionism and that they embraced
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: the violence that goes along with that, and that every
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Democrat who wants to be in the elite has to
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: concede that ground and that they have, and then they
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: went into the history of that occurring elsewhere over.
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: And over again.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: So now I want to go to Algeria in our
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: longest segment, and I want to give you the floor
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: to explain what happened in Algeria and how Franz Finan
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: took the Algerian experience and turn it into a theory.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: When I studied political theory, I didn't get past Machiavelli.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: We stopped in the fifteenth century, and so I read
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: the Ancients. I didn't care about guys who were writing
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: in the fifties. I never cared about Hermann, Marcusa or
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: any of these people. But I guess I have to
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: care about the nan tell Us, about his belief, how
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: it played out in Algeria, what he took away from
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: the Algerian Civil War.
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  Speaker 13: The Algeria story is a story of a classic anti
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 13: colonial strug, the archetypal anti colonial struggle. The French had
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 13: begun settling Algeria roughly around eighteen thirty. In nineteen fifty four,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 13: one hundred and twenty four years, there were well over
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 13: a million French citizens white French Europeans in Algeria, entire cities.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 13: Algeria was actually a diploma of the French Republic. It
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 13: had representation at the Parliament in Paris, but the French
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 13: never gave citizenship to the Muslims of Algeria, who probably
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 13: outnumbered the French in Algeria up four to one, five
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 13: to one. And in nineteen fifty four the various several
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 13: of the political factions of the social organizations of Algerian
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 13: Muslims gathered together and formed the National Liberation Front the FLN,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 13: which is the acronym in French. So the letters are
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 13: out of order, and they launch an eight year independence
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 13: war is how they thought of it. And it was
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 13: brutal terrorism. It was, you know, the shootings in cities,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 13: blowing up cafes, murdering families who went to the beach.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 13: It was this intense campaign of terrorism. The French responded
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 13: with a massive military crackdown. It's eight years. Sometimes more intense,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 13: sometimes less. It's big, it's complicated. They hit out in Morocco.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 13: Occasionally the FLN would would go to different areas. They
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 13: rolled up some terror networks in Paris. But the long
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 13: story short of it is that the mass terror war
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 13: for eight years succeeded and the French. Even though the
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 13: French military won every battle, every engagement, every you know,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 13: meeting in the desert with FLN commandos, the French soldiers
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 13: successfully defeated them, but France lost France in nineteen sixty two,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 13: almost overnight, very very quickly, over a million people got
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 13: on a boat and literally just left the country, people
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 13: who had nowhere to go. You couldn't, you know, house
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 13: a million people suddenly in Paris and Agerrie Frances. This
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 13: one hundred and thirty year colonization project that was literally
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 13: a voting district of the French Republic disappeared, evaporated, and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 13: the FLN became heroes, became a kind of model for
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 13: what we call anti colonial struggle or anti imperial struggle.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 13: Franz Finan was a Martinique psychiatrist from Martinique who came
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 13: to Algae area, volunteered with the FLN as a doctor,
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  Speaker 13: and wrote a book called The Wretched of the Earth.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 13: This book, more than any other single text, probably is
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 13: the is the is the foundation stone, the crucible of
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 13: the modern academic humanity's sort of radical left and others.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 13: When you looked at the universities and you say, why
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 13: are they this radical? What happened to them? What do
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 13: they think they see? Where's the oppress or oppressed kind
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 13: of construct come from that has taken over so much
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 13: of democratic politics and so much of the of the
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 13: democratic socialism of America. Of how Zorn mam Donnie sees
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 13: the world start with the Wretched of the Earth by
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 13: Frans Phenone and among the things that he claims there,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 13: for example, he claims that the colonialism creates a two
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 13: tier system, and that two tier system is inherently violent,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 13: and so violence is mandatory by the colonized against the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 13: colonizer in order to store the human dignity, to rehumanize
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 13: the dehumanized colonized. In other words, this violence turns the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 13: colonizer is the subject of history, is the driver of history,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 13: makes all the decisions of history. The colonized, usually the
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 13: you know, the brown person, the Algerian Muslim. For the
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 13: purposes of this discussion, is the object that the colonizer
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 13: does whatever they want with well. To reclaim yourself, your role,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 13: your humanity and being the subject of history, to have
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 13: agency and decide where history goes for you, you have
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 13: to resort to massive violence and so Fanone is an
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 13: ideology that in the Algerian context is you know, it's
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 13: a real moral argument. The French attempt to suppress the revolt,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 13: the Independence War probably killed half a million Algerian Muslims.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 13: It was brutal, and it was long, and Finone's interpretation
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 13: of it maybe was fair, but the construct of it
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 13: became a kind of model for every single other conflict
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 13: in every single other place. And so when they talk
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 13: about Israel as being a colonizer, that comes into action
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 13: with PLO language. In nineteen sixty four, the PLO Palestine
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 13: Libration Organization is founded in Cairo. It's part of the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 13: Arab League thing. It's a Soviet thing a little bit.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 13: It's different Palestinian factions competing with each other. There's a
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 13: lot happening there all at once. But the basic idea
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 13: is the Palestine Liberation Organization, through massive sustained terror, will
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 13: do to the colonizer Jews what the FLN did two
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 13: years earlier, eighteen months earlier, so massively successfully, so miraculously successfully,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 13: to the colonizing French. And so that's the model, and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 13: that's what the people are talking about when they're talking
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 13: about decolonizing the humanities, decolonizing Palestine. They're talking about the
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 13: Algeria War.
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  Speaker 1: So when they take that construct, when Phenan articulates that,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: does it in his mind and the mind of his adherents,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: justify ten to seven?
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  Speaker 5: Is that okay?
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Because the people in Gaza have been even though you
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: left Gaza, Israel left Gaza, they were nevertheless occupied for
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: since nineteen sixty seven before you left, and so there's
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: still colonized people suffering. Does that justify the rampage and
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: the violence of ten seven?
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  Speaker 13: Or if none? Violence was cleansing, violence was unifying, violence
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 13: was rehumanizing. There is no way to deal with the
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 13: colonizer except through violence, and violence was redemptive in that sense.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 13: And he was again he was a psychiatrist. He had
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 13: a very psychological view of this. The colonized, in order
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 13: to gain the ability to believe that they deserve to
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 13: be masters of their own nation, of their own domain,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 13: have to do a violence that humanizes them and equalize.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 13: This is them with the colonizer. And so in I
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 13: don't know what Franz Fanona himself would have said. By
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 13: the way, his goal was that the final result nation
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 13: that would come after decolonization would be a kind of
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 13: you know, egalitarian democracy that's not anything like what any
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 13: of these decolonizing societies became. Algeria became a mess and
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 13: tyrannical and a disaster. And he also warned that this
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 13: violence could also bode ill for that future Algeria. What
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 13: would he have made of ten to seven, I don't know,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 13: but I can tell you that the theory absolutely celebrates
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 13: violence and brutality, and the brutality is the cleansing force,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 13: is what makes you human again, because it makes you
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 13: equal to the other side.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: That is a.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 13: Deeply entrenched idea buried in you know, buried deeply in
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 13: the psyche of Hamas and of Arab thinkers and specifically
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 13: Palestinian thinkers since the sixties. This sort of sanctifying sacralizing it.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 13: By the way, it doesn't hurt that it measures very
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 13: very easily with Islamic ideas of holy violence and holy
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 13: war under the framework of jihad and under other frameworks.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 13: For example, Kamas argues that Palestine is something called wak
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 13: which is this is literally in its nineteen eighty eight
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 13: charter after its founding in nineteen eighty seven, which is
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 13: a trust. It is a Muslim trust land. In other words,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 13: the entirety of everything that is Israel, and the entirety
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 13: of you know, West benk Gaza, everything that they claim
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 13: is an Islamic trust that it is forbidden in Islamic law.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 13: It is not Spain, which you conquered and left and
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 13: maybe you'll conquer again someday. It is Islamic trust that
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 13: you are forbidden to compromise on. And so all of
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 13: these beliefs come together, will turn violence into the heart
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 13: and soul of the project.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: I will come back with part two because that brings
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: us up to ten seven. But now we also have
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: January twenty twenty sixth to deal with in Iran. And
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: then we have what's going on in America.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 5: The democratically, the Christopher Column.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: We'll get to it all in the next three segments
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: right here on the Hugh Hewit Show with Aviv Reddy
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Gore State Tuner. Welcome back, America. You have if you've
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: listened to me for a long time, you know who
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Lawrence Wright is. You know what the Looming Tower is.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: You know who said Katubiz and the Muslim brotherhood and
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: under the shade of the Quran and milestones. You know
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: all about that, but maybe you don't know about France
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Ton on the Red side of the Green Alliance, don't
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: know about the Green Alliance. The genius of Hamioni, the
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: evil genius of the first Iatola, of the two Iatolas
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: who have ruled Iran as dictator since nineteen seventy nine,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: is he took the Red and emerged the Green, and
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: he took over Iran Aaron. Iran has supported every revolutionary
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: violent movement in the Middle East since then, including the
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: terror that was on Israel's northern border, on Israel's southern border,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: and now the huts. So how does a phenomist or
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: a Green Red Alliance person explain what Iran did to
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: their own people in January Heavy Raddy Gore.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 13: Yeah, gee, not only can they not explain it, they
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 13: deliberately have needed And you see this in all kinds
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  Speaker 13: of journalists, you know, Guardian columnists and people from on
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  Speaker 13: the deep left in the West who had to argue
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 13: that there's no proof that anybody was killed, that Iranians
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 13: were killed by the regime, that it's that it's all
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 13: propaganda and it's all this, and it's all that they
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 13: not only can't explain it in the context of Romanian
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 13: in the context of the Shia. The whole argument, which
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 13: is the merger of Shia theology and communist ideas Lenin's
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 13: you know, nineteen nineteen argument that imperialism is the natural
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 13: evolution of capitalism. He wrote this little pamphlet about that
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  Speaker 13: that's very accessible. People can read it. So merder of
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 13: like this Leninist Maoist idea that Fanon carries forward into
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 13: a specific Algerian example, and and and the Shia concept
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 13: that the Shia believe in this this foundational battle that
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 13: happened in six 't eighty at Carbala in Iraq, in
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 13: which the proper heir to Muhammad Imam Hussein was killed
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 13: by the powerful but evil usurper to the leadership of
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 13: the Muslims, the Khalifiyazid. That is how the Shia believe it.
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  Speaker 13: And the powerful defeated the weak but true, the honest,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 13: the authentic believers. And that sounds like a terrible loss,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 13: but in fact that is the beginning of the redemption
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 13: arc of the world because the fall of Hussein. The
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 13: death of Hussein produced the entire Shia tradition which we
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 13: carry forward today. They say, and and in that they
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 13: model how martyrdom, our death, our willingness to die. Even
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 13: if we lose this battle and we are killed, we
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 13: will spawn new generations who will carry the fight until
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 13: our ultimate victory. What Homioni did was two things.
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  Speaker 1: He took.
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  Speaker 13: You know, Communism posits classword, right, so there's a powerful
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 13: elite and then there is the proletariat underneath, and there's
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 13: a necessary revolution and it's built into history. And what
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 13: Kmiani did with one of his a deep thinker and
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 13: people he read and inspired him, named Ali Sharriati. What
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 13: Homiane did was argue that that communist model of the
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 13: proletariat and the elite, that's exactly the Shia model, and
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 13: the Shia model actually says we are I don't know
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 13: how to put it. Islam is weak, Islam is backward today,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 13: Islam is financially poor, just economically poor and backward. And
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 13: that looks like failure, That looks like something we should
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 13: be worried about, because Islam should be on top. Right,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 13: It's the religion of God, It's the true revelation. How
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 13: come the West, the Christian West, is so powerful and
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 13: we're so weak and Holmeni's answer was, the week inherit
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 13: the earth. That is a verse in the Qur'an, which
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 13: comes from Jesus, which comes from Psalms. I believe it
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 13: Psalms originally the week shall inherit the earth. We are weak,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 13: that is our strength. The West is arrogant and powerful.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 13: The West is Yazid the caliph, and we are the
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 13: heirs of Hussein. And when this regime over forty seven years,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 13: chooses the path of never ending revolution, never ending violence,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 13: never ending exporting of the war in Syria that killed
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 13: six hundred thousand Sunnis, the horrific war in Yemen, none
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 13: of which would have been possible without Iran. When this
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 13: regime becomes this massive, powerful entity that controls its own population,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 13: dominates it, and exports war everywhere in the region, it
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 13: has a hard time explaining how they're the weak guys,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 13: and when they're willing to massacre thirty forty thousand of
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 13: their own people, they're not Hossein, they're Yazid. In fact,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 13: you have young people in Iran today on social media
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 13: and there's a whole graffiti war happening in Iran that's
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 13: really fascinating for people who want to follow it where
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 13: people are literally sketching this out. You are the Yazis,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 13: You are not the Husseins. You are the top of
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 13: that communist you know, the evil, corrupt elite. You are
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 13: not the proletarian fighters for the good of the people.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 13: And so it's not just that they can't explain it.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 13: This is their weakness, This is their weakest point. This
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 13: is where I wish that the West, at America, that
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 13: Israel would have really good propaganda capabilities, the likes of
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 13: which the enemies of these countries have, the Chinese, the Russians,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 13: the Iranians, and they could hammer home again and again
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 13: and again. Their whole ideology is based on who is
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 13: powerful and who is weak, the weak or holy, the
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 13: powerful of corrupt. Well, they have become the powerful, corrupt,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 13: the arrogant, as they call it. And so we could
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 13: be hammering that home, and we don't. We sort of
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 13: let their sort of religious discourse happen separately. But I
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 13: think that kind of propaganda information where would be really
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 13: really powerful in this kind of a war, because nobody
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 13: in Iran thinks that this regime represents the revolution for
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 13: the week that Kolmani cast it as in that merger
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 13: of Shehism and communism.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this conversation is my little attempt to inject a
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: little bit of seriousness into the innocence of America. Because
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: we are pragmatic, we like to make money. We don't
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: pay a lot of attention to Hollywood, to politics and ideology.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: We love Hollywood, and we love to watch game shows
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: and like Survivor. Again, we don't really want to be
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: in a survivor situation. Like Israel, we like to watch it.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: We've got a military, it's one percent of the country.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: They do all the heavy lifting. They're in the Gulf.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: They're the ones who fight the Forever Wars. Ninety nine
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: percent of us stay home and watch. So now we're
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: going to bring both of those strains, what's going on
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: in Iran and what's going on in phenn Land into
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: the United States, and it gets rooted in the academic world,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: and your guests explain this, and then it begins to
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: trade the Democratic Party through the academic left, where I
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: think he said the paradigm used to be the Jewish
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: professor Harold Bloom, and now it's become the anti Israel
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: absolutist who insists on decolonizing Israel, meaning destroying Israel from
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: the river to the sea, and it is entering an
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: American politics.
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  Speaker 5: Does anyone else see this?
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Or are you two guys talking to each other alone
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: in a bar over a couple of beers and nobody
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: pays attention? Or is this widely understood outside of the
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: comfortable confines of America.
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  Speaker 13: I think, I mean, more and more people are seeing
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 13: it the way Coleman Hughes put it. There's this, there's
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 13: this well, I mean, there's this takeover of the universities
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 13: by a well. So Hossein Monsieur said that by people
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 13: like me writing meaning literally intellect in the Middle East.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 13: He himself is born and raised by the way, he's
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 13: an American. He's the most patriotic American you'll ever meet,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 13: the of the type of I hope I'm representing him.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 13: I apologize to him if I'm not of the tide
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 13: that you only get with an immigrant who really knows
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 13: how precious it is to be an American. He says
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 13: that these intellectuals came from the Middle East, and they
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 13: entered the universities, and they displaced the old school, not
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 13: just Jewish but many Jewish intellectuals in the universities, and
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 13: they brought in those ideas of you know, sort of
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 13: the Arab way of looking at things. One significant extent
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 13: an Arab intellectual life, and our university is excuses.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: To stand by.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, I got to go to break.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back with the Ave Reddy Gore because
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, all this became very relevant this
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: week with Nick krish Kopp and I want to explain
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: why walking Back America. I got two more segments for
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: the Dave Reddy Gore. I remind you is Patreon community
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: well worth at the time. Don't miss ask Kaviv anything.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: He now has a substack at Javi Gerd dot substack
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: dot com. Of course he's the Middle East correspondent for
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: the Free Press, and I encourage you to subscribe to that.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: When you and Hussein Monsieur got around to it, you
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: talked about how the radical left got into the university.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone argues that anymore.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: But it moved out.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: It moved out in the Democratic Party into the Democratic
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: Socialists of America. And now we have Mamdani and we
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: have AOC in the squad, which rightly was kind of
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: a cartoon at the beginning, but now it's not a
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: cartoon anymore. Got Graham Plattner running in Maine and elsi
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: Ed running in Michigan. We got a lot of these
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: hard left radical they're not lunatics, they're hard left radicals.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: And your fifteen minutes yesterday about Nick Christov, I remind
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: you were FCC regulated, so we can't be as colorful
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: as you were.
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  Speaker 5: That was his price of admission.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to do the radical chic and mau mauing,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: the Tom Woolf thing of the nineteen sixty He wants
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: in on that game. He's tired of the old moderate left,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: old school liberal helped the poor game. He wants to
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: be into the violence game because he went all in
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: in that column.
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  Speaker 5: Does that follow like night.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Follows day from your conversation the week before with Mansure?
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  Speaker 13: You know, I am sure he won't say that. He
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 13: won't say it that way. I'm sure he doesn't think
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 13: he supports violence in any way. But the standards that
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 13: the New York Times employees for fact checking in an
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 13: op ed, Remember the Senator Tom Cotton column. Oh yeah,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 13: they got people fired the New York Times and one
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 13: of the reasons they said to got them fires that
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 13: didn't meet their editorial standards for checking his facts or
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 13: whatever it was. Well, this is that, I mean dogs raping,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 13: I mean there was no attempt to seriously explore what's
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 13: going on. I'm somebody who has written about abuse in
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 13: Israeli prisons. I'm somebody who thinks, by the way, there
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 13: are two thousand claims outstanding at this moment, as far
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 13: as I could tell from looking it up on Google,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 13: against the New York prison system. The argument that there's
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 13: a prison system without abuse is fatuous. It's impossible. And
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 13: here we're talking about a prison system that absorbed thousands
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 13: of people, many of them had invaded the country and
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 13: massacred people and taken hundreds of people prisoner and hostage,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 13: and also hundreds of prison guards drafted as reservists because
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 13: there weren't enough guards to suddenly guard these thousands of invaders.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 13: And that's a prison system cobble together real quick after
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 13: October seven. And if you come to me and say
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 13: there's abuse happening there, not only do I believe you,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 13: I know prosecutors, I know that it's been There are
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 13: dozens and dozens last time I checked was a year
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 13: ago or year and a half ago, there were seventy
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 13: indictments against Israeli soldiers on these questions. It's a real problem,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 13: and it's a problem we have to deal with and
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 13: I have criticized our government for not dealing with it
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 13: enough and not thinking about it enough. And still the
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 13: stuff that comes out of in Nick Christoph's column, just
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 13: as totally believable, is insane. It's numbly insane. When you
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 13: actually get down to the sources. There are a few
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 13: people there who are ordinary people. When they come forward
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 13: with complaints, they're worth exploring, they're worth thinking about very seriously.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 13: But there are people there who are known Kramas propagandists.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 13: They have lied in the past. The stories they told
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 13: Nick christof are different from the very stories and the
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 13: very same incidents that they told in the past. They
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 13: are paid card carrying Haramas propagandists. And that's the column.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 13: And I have to tell you that when you come
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 13: out swinging for Hamas that strongly. And one final point
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 13: that really is just you know, you said your fec regulated,
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  Speaker 13: So not to curse. I cursed in that column. I
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 13: don't often curse that whole column, and the dust up
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 13: that it caused came out a day before the biggest,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 13: most serious eighteen hundred hours of video, ten thousand interviews.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 13: I hope I didn't reverse those statistics. Maybe it was
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 13: ten thousand hours of an unbelievable amount of evidence and
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 13: data and serious putting together of a report not even
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 13: by the Israeli government, by a civil commission made up
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 13: of survivors, made up of people who are very serious,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 13: going person by person into the sexual assault by Ramas
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 13: of hostages on October seven. The whole entirety of that
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 13: issue that came out the day after The New York
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 13: Times knew when that was going to come out, because
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 13: The New York Times was offered the story and declined it.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 13: So it ran in the Daily Mail in London, and
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 13: it ran on CNN in America. And Christoph's column comes
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 13: out sixteen hours before it and alleges massive things, mostly
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 13: from Tramas propaganda to cover for it. In other words,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 13: this wasn't This was an attempt, okay, instead of revealing
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 13: sexual violence, this was an attempt to cover for sexual violence.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 13: And I say that as someone who knows there was
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 13: abuse in the Israeli prisons and still he went to
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 13: bat not for Palestinians, but for.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 11: Hamas and the road they did.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll cover it in the last segment coming up.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: Is because the Left has captured elites in America and
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: iron curtain is descending among elites in America and you're
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: on one side of the other side of it. One
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: side of it is anti Israel, anti Zionist, anti Semitic.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: By definition, you cannot be with the good group. The
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: good guys is self proclaimed elite as you adopt that,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: and it's working, and it's also making people stupid. One
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: more segment with Abe coming Upstagu Welcome back America, and
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: this is my last segment with Aviv. I want you
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: to go back. That will get ask Aviv anything. Go
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: back a week, listen to that longer conversation with man
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: Sure Aviv.
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  Speaker 5: Now we're going to look forward.
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  Speaker 1: Christoff is just one example of capture of elites by
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: radical ideology that requires anti Zionism, anti Israel, absolutism, and
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: then it descends into anti Semitism here and it's like
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: the Dreyfus affair. That's what I've been telling people. It's
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: our moment to come to a reckoning with this and
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: people have to pick sides. And I knew Nick. Nick's
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: been on the show a number of times. He won't
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: be again because he hasn't repudiated the idiocy of dog
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: rape and falling for it. I mean, it's like taking
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: the Nigerian email offering you, Richard if you'll just send
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: him your bank account. No, it was that bad, but
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: the good news is it doesn't work. I think I
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: understood your conversation with Usaint Monsur to say, in the end,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: it ends up with a san Piker representing you. He's
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: a dummy, he doesn't know anything. And I think part
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: of America's problem is it is growing ignorance, not just
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: of the world but generally of books. Are entertainment culture,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: our fixation with the passing. But the revolution can't survive
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: on that, can it? And the Democratic Party is going
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: to seal itself off from seventy to eighty percent of
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: the country that wants no part with Massacres, no part
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: of ten to seven, no part of the January murderer spree,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: by the Harmonius and the Hamoni shock trips in the energy,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: I think it ends well. Do you share my optimism.
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  Speaker 13: The core ideas of Anne, of Shariati, of Romani, of
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 13: these deep ideas that really have taken over the Middle
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 13: East studies departments of American universities. You know, in every
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 13: big university you now have an Israel Studies center. That's
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 13: in part because nobody could trust the Middle East studies
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 13: departments to teach Israel. You'll teach the Middle East, but
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 13: you won't actually teach the actual historical experience. There is
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 13: literally knowledge that is forbidden in a modern American university,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 13: especially at the elite, because it's not politically correct, and
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 13: it is literal historical knowledge of millions of people and
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 13: what it is they went through and what the think
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 13: is happening to them. So it is it is anti truth.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 13: It is also profoundly anti Western, anti American. It really is,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 13: you know, it just is. You can't not actually talk
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 13: to Hatsun. Put listen to Hot Sun Piker talk about
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 13: China Russia, and then listen to him talk about nine
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 13: to eleven and talk about America, and you will discover
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 13: just how profoundly anti American the whole thing is. And
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 13: so yes, if the Democrats go down this path, there's
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 13: they're not good. You know the New York Times has
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 13: gone down this path. They've laundered him in six different
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 13: forums that they managed to put together. But where does
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 13: this end? Where does this end? He actively talks about violence.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 13: A lot of DSA people talk about violence, and the
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 13: candidate you mentioned, I forget his name, in the Michigan.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: Grand plander El Saiada in Michigan. There are a bunch
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: of them.
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  Speaker 13: So the Democrats have decided to hand the Israel issue
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 13: over to the far left, to give in on that completely,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 13: and they hope that that will allow them to be
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 13: moderate and serious on all the other stuff, on the
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 13: economic stuff, on the AI reforms that have to come on,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 13: you know, healthcare, on everything else. It's not going to
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 13: moderate anybody. It's going to be winding the sales of
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 13: these people, and it's going to be people who will
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 13: never stop producing texts and videos about how America is terrible.
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  Speaker 13: The Democrats are not going to win elections like this.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 13: They want to unify because they want to have a
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  Speaker 13: chance in twenty twenty eight. And this is the only
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  Speaker 13: way they think they can unify. But somebody's doing it
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  Speaker 13: to them. Somebody's forcing them into that position by the
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  Speaker 13: way the young people on right and left they're more
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  Speaker 13: radical than the adults. And why are they more radical
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  Speaker 13: because they're living on TikTok where they have been actively radicalized.
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  Speaker 13: Never mind Israel, Jews, Gaza War, They've been actively radicalized
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  Speaker 13: on everything. America doesn't want to do anything about that issue.
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  Speaker 13: So you are facing a future of massive radicalization, huge
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  Speaker 13: vulnerability to being radicalized against with anti American ideologies by
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  Speaker 13: your actual enemies, by the Chinese Communist Party, by the Russians,
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  Speaker 13: by the Iranians. You're entering the future you have no
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  Speaker 13: nobody's even talking probably as far as I can see
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  Speaker 13: about what this all means for that future. The Democrats
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  Speaker 13: are giving ground and they will regret giving that ground
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  Speaker 13: because by the time they gain it back, there will
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  Speaker 13: be they will be in shambles. I don't know how
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  Speaker 13: you take on these ideologies that don't fall.
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  Speaker 1: So my last comment on this, and I'd love your reaction.
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  Speaker 1: It won't work in America because we are a pragmatic
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  Speaker 1: money making people and we all deep in our genes.
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  Speaker 1: How do you make a buck? Where do you go
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  Speaker 1: to get the free land? How do I sell someone
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  Speaker 1: snake oil? The circus is coming to down. The parade
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  Speaker 1: is here. We are not going to get stuck in
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  Speaker 1: that crazy loop of killing because nobody wants. You can't
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  Speaker 1: make money that way, you really can't. And Avid, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what your comment is on that, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it has appealed beyond the undershowered, overweight left
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  Speaker 1: in the Antifa demonstrations in Seattle.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: It has a legs because it can't have all tenure.
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  Speaker 1: They all can't have tenure. It just doesn't, It doesn't work.
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  Speaker 13: That was Hossein's belief. America is different. This is how
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  Speaker 13: you know. This is how in Eastern Europe they felt
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  Speaker 13: to communism, and this is how in Western Europe they
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  Speaker 13: felt to fascism. And this is these kinds of radical,
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  Speaker 13: self abnegating kinds of ideologies. This this the center that
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  Speaker 13: couldn't hold because everybody radicalized to the edges in the
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  Speaker 13: with these dynamics. Hossein says, America is different. It's it's bigger,
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  Speaker 13: it's it's enormous. It has many, many voices, and there's
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  Speaker 13: not enough grievance, and there's a culture that doesn't respect grievance.
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  Speaker 13: There's a culture that really does believe in going out
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  Speaker 13: and building things, and this stuff is one hundred percent grievance,
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  Speaker 13: and somebody else is going to come in. You know,
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  Speaker 13: very very rich people are advocating socialism for America, and
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  Speaker 13: they're catching on with the young people because you know,
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  Speaker 13: there's a lot of real economic dislocation that's only going
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  Speaker 13: to get worse with AI. Ultimately, America will come through this.
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  Speaker 13: Hossein said that he is smarter than I and certainly
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  Speaker 13: a better observer of American politics. And if you and
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  Speaker 13: him agree, I am not going to challenge that America
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  Speaker 13: has always been there.
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  Speaker 1: As you think we are a get over at culture,
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  Speaker 1: Get off the couch and go to work, get a job.
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  Speaker 1: I want again tell people head over to ask k
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  Speaker 1: Aviv anything, because our four segments, our five segments don't
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  Speaker 1: do justice to that conversation, which which presumed a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Sank talks faster than anybody I've ever heard before, and
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  Speaker 1: I talk pretty fast. Ben Shapiro talked pretty fast, but
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: then your your transition and repudiation of Nick Kristoff was complete.
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  Speaker 1: So listen to the next Haviv as well. Ask Kviv
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  Speaker 1: writes a fabulous column every so often. Thank you, Avive
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  Speaker 1: for the time. I look forward to talking to you