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Jim Bowden’s Top Remaining Free Agents List + Jose Altuve out for WBC · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Let's do this front off sunfiltered with resident GM Jim Bowden, JB.
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Speaker 1: Good to see you, and we want to do a
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Speaker 1: market check with you. There are still big names on
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Speaker 1: the list that you put together for the athletic it's
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Speaker 1: almost all pitching. So I figure we start there, Framburn Gallin,
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Speaker 1: Framber Valdez, Zach Gallen. What do you think, where do
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Speaker 1: you see these markets shoring up? And do you have
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Speaker 1: any teams in mind for them?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's start with Framber Valdez because he's the
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Speaker 2: best pitcher.
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Speaker 3: On the market.
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Speaker 2: And this is a guy at thirty two years old
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Speaker 2: that is consistent, got tremendous ground ball ability here can
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Speaker 2: also miss bats, has proved he can pitch on the
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Speaker 2: biggest stage in the biggest moments. Yes, he comes with
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Speaker 2: a little bit of baggage for crossing up the catcher,
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Speaker 2: which teams want to kind of understand. But the market
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Speaker 2: has kind of fallen for him, and the market wasn't
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Speaker 2: what he was expecting.
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Speaker 3: He was expecting a long term.
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Speaker 2: Deal with a five or six your type of deal
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Speaker 2: and it's just not there for him. And so now
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Speaker 2: you know, what does he do? Does he get a
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Speaker 2: short term deal? With opt out. So it's been kind
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Speaker 2: of fascinating watching Framber. Of all the free agents out there,
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Speaker 2: he's the one that's kind of it's kind of puzzling
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Speaker 2: how he doesn't have a home yet now when I
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Speaker 2: talk to gms throughout the sport, everybody over the weekend
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Speaker 2: kept telling me he'll probably end up in Baltimore.
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Speaker 3: Everybody thinks he's going to end up there.
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Speaker 2: But we're kind of waiting on Framber to understand that
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Speaker 2: the offers on the table is all he's going to get. Like,
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Speaker 2: there's not going to be more money, there's not going
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Speaker 2: to be more years, so why wait longer? I don't know,
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Speaker 2: but I will say this, he fits with so many teams.
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Speaker 2: The problem is a lot of teams don't want to
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Speaker 2: spend the money. He fits for the Giants, I mean
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Speaker 2: to put him at the top of the rotation with
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Speaker 2: Logan Webb and Robbie Ray. Makes a lot of sense
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Speaker 2: when they're trying to get a wild card spot. I
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Speaker 2: think he fits with Detroit because I think eventually they're
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Speaker 2: going to have to trade school between now and the
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Speaker 2: trade deadline. The Phillies, I think after losing out on Bishett,
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Speaker 2: why not try to get Valdez on a short term
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Speaker 2: deal to replaced Ranger Suarez because you don't know for
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Speaker 2: sure what Wheeler is going to look like coming off
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Speaker 2: the IL. You don't know if Noah's going to have
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Speaker 2: a bounce back year of Andrew Paynter, another year away
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Speaker 2: from Tommy John is going to live up to the potential.
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Speaker 3: So it's a fit there.
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Speaker 2: And Atlanta was kicking the tires on Valdez as well.
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Speaker 2: So those are kind of the five teams that I
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Speaker 2: keep hearing. But everybody in the industry thinks eventually he
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Speaker 2: goes back to Baltimore. But they're kind of downplaying it too.
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Speaker 2: They're like, you know what, Zach Efflin's the last medicals
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Speaker 2: on him were really good. We feel good about our
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Speaker 2: five man rotation. But I still think, probably Scotty, that
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Speaker 2: that's the spot he ends up based on what everybody's
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Speaker 2: telling me.
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Speaker 4: Now, the Dodgers, we assume are probably out of this.
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Speaker 4: So what team if it becomes a short term Dodgers
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Speaker 4: type of Hey, we're going over the top for a
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Speaker 4: one year type of contract, what team do you feel
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Speaker 4: like comes to the forefront.
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Speaker 5: Then of the ones that you mentioned for Framberg, I would.
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Speaker 2: If I was a guest, I would guess the Phillies
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Speaker 2: because Dave Dobrowski's always been about the star players. That's
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Speaker 2: how he has built all his teams. Dave's going to
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Speaker 2: go to the Hall of Fame someday, right, And he
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Speaker 2: won a world championship in Boston and Detroit, and you know,
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Speaker 2: he had Montreal with a tremendous record when he was there,
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Speaker 2: took the Marlins do a world championship. You know, he
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Speaker 2: was trying to win one there in Philadelphia. Now he
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Speaker 2: knows how to do it, and he does it with star players.
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Speaker 2: So I think, you know, if the market completely falls
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Speaker 2: for him, I can see Dave. Look if Dave had
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Speaker 2: the kind of money to land Bashett, if that was
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Speaker 2: available to him, I can see him jumping in at
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Speaker 2: the last minute. So outside of Baltimore, I would guess Philadelphia.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you if I'm in San Francisco or Detroit,
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Speaker 2: I'd be in there too.
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Speaker 6: I want to switch gears here to another pitcher, Zach Gallen.
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Speaker 6: I talked about a little bit earlier with the crew here.
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Speaker 6: I'm surprised another kind of guy where I thought he
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Speaker 6: still has a couple more years left in the tank.
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Speaker 6: I thought he'd get picked up rather quickly. You think
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Speaker 6: about a Yankee team who's going to be struggling this year,
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Speaker 6: especially in the beginning of the year with a couple
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Speaker 6: guys that are down. He always pitches well on Queen's Like,
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Speaker 6: do you see him in the Northeast? Like what you
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Speaker 6: been hearing about Zach new Jersey guy too as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he ish Todd Father. You know, Look, he's another
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Speaker 2: Scott Boris client, So he's going to go wherever the
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Speaker 2: best offer is. That's what most Boris clients do. You
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Speaker 2: have to keep in mind Arizona really does want to
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Speaker 2: bring him back, and Arizona is the only team where
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Speaker 2: he's not tied to draft pick compensation. Now, part of
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Speaker 2: the problem with Gallan, as you guys know, is he
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Speaker 2: didn't have a good platform year. He went backwards. The
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Speaker 2: stuff wasn't quite the same, and so the question has
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Speaker 2: to be was it mechanics, was it health? Was it
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Speaker 2: the pressure of being on a free agent contract? You
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Speaker 2: know which one of those three was it? And I
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Speaker 2: think every team has to kind of figure out what
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Speaker 2: that is. But I will say this, I've been told
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Speaker 2: that he has a robust market, And besides Arizona, I've
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Speaker 2: heard Atlanta, Baltimore, San Francisco, Detroit, and quote unquote more so,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of market out there. And you know
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Speaker 2: the Boris Corporation right now, Gallen is their number one
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Speaker 2: free agent left, so they're dealing with that, and they're
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Speaker 2: dealing with the arbitration case of Scoobol. So Gallan though,
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Speaker 2: is next on their checklist. So you know, I anticipate
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Speaker 2: something probably happening, maybe as early as the end of
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Speaker 2: this week. If I was a betting person, it would
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Speaker 2: be go back to Arizona on a two year deal
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Speaker 2: with an opt out after year one. The idea is,
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Speaker 2: let me get him two years in case he gets
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Speaker 2: injured or has another down year to protect them, but
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Speaker 2: let me get him back on the market next year
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Speaker 2: when he's not tied to draft pick compensation.
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Speaker 3: So if I had to bet, that's where Gallon goes back.
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Speaker 4: Jamie, talk to us about evaluation. Evaluating Zach Gallen. When
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Speaker 4: you were a GM, you didn't have all this analytics.
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Speaker 4: You had a radar gun, you had your scouts eyes,
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Speaker 4: and you had the results of what the hitters did.
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Speaker 4: If that's all we had today, and I know they
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Speaker 4: have so much more to evaluate. Guys, how do you
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Speaker 4: evaluate what Zach Gollan did in one year when the
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Speaker 4: five previous years you're talking about one hundred to one
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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty million dollar pitcher.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. So let me give you
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Speaker 2: my GM territory angle here. So as a GM, what
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Speaker 2: I would do is I would be calling in all
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Speaker 2: of my pitching people, right and the analytic people, and
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Speaker 2: my question would be the same one I just raised
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Speaker 2: a minute ago. I would say, why did Gallan have
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Speaker 2: a down year? Tell me what the science says in
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Speaker 2: terms of what his mechanics were this year, how the
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Speaker 2: arm came out, where the release point was, the arm speed,
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Speaker 2: the angle, the deception. Give me all the physical things
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Speaker 2: compared to when he was pitching well, and tell me
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Speaker 2: what the difference is. Number two, if I was engaged
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Speaker 2: with him, I would ask permission to get an MRI
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Speaker 2: on the shoulder and the elbow to make sure there
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Speaker 2: is no issues there and to make sure that there's
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Speaker 2: no issues anywhere else and make sure it's not a
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Speaker 2: medical situation.
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Speaker 3: And I think when I got the result.
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Speaker 2: Also those two things, I would be able to make
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Speaker 2: a decision I wouldn't care as much about if it
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Speaker 2: ended up being some pressure on a free agent year,
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Speaker 2: that wouldn't bother me at all. I talked to Zach
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Speaker 2: Allen in the past. I watched him start an All
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Speaker 2: Star game. I believe in him, knows how to pitch,
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Speaker 2: love the command when he's on. But you got to
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Speaker 2: answer me the other questions, because when you have a
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Speaker 2: down year and the stuff also goes down, it's not
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Speaker 2: just the results, it's the stuff was down. I need
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Speaker 2: to know what it was. I need the pitching people
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Speaker 2: to tell me that it was pitch selection, or it
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Speaker 2: was a leg kick or as a move to the
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Speaker 2: side of the rubber, or he was having family problems
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Speaker 2: or he's having finance problem. I need to know something
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Speaker 2: so that I can understand it, because I can't go
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Speaker 2: forward and pay him what he was prior to this
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Speaker 2: past year unless you give me those answers so I
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Speaker 2: can feel comfortable that he can go back and be
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Speaker 2: the guy that he was a year ago.
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Speaker 5: Reading the free agent market.
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Speaker 4: Still on Gallon, is he the is he the ugly
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Speaker 4: duckling of the free agent qualifying offer people? And he's
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Speaker 4: just in a bad spot. I know all the things
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Speaker 4: you just mentioned, this stuff went down, his results weren't there.
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Speaker 4: But this is a guy, like I said, that was
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Speaker 4: a nine figure pitcher locked guaranteed coming into this year.
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Speaker 4: The qualifying offer every year has a victim. Is he
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Speaker 4: the victim of it this year? Or is this just
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Speaker 4: a circumstance of what happened on the field.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think he's going to do okay
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Speaker 2: because another Boris client a year ago I didn't think
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Speaker 2: had any chance of getting the qualifying offer, and Nick
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Speaker 2: Martinez got it from the Reds and got paid over
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Speaker 2: twenty million dollars. His representatives are so good that I
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Speaker 2: think that I think he'll at the very least be
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Speaker 2: able to get a one year deal at the qualifying offer.
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Speaker 2: I believe that'll be there. I don't think he'll have
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Speaker 2: to do a Nick Pavetted deal that the Padres ended
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Speaker 2: up doing, and Pavetta and basically lost his shirt over
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Speaker 2: the decision not to accept the qualifying offer. I don't
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Speaker 2: think that's the case here. I think he's going to
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Speaker 2: be fine. I just think it's going to have to
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Speaker 2: be a short term over an opt out.
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Speaker 6: I want to talk about one more guy, want a buddy?
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Speaker 6: My me and Gene Suarez e Heneyo at Redsfest. I
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Speaker 6: was at a couple or two weeks ago, and I'm thinking,
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Speaker 6: I'm like talking to some guys. They say he'd be
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Speaker 6: a good fit over there. Bring him back to Cincinnati.
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Speaker 6: Have you ever heard any talks with Cincinnati and other
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Speaker 6: teams as well? Because this guy can hit some homers,
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Speaker 6: and I understand, you know, he struck out a lot too,
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Speaker 6: but he's a good he's a really good defender, and
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Speaker 6: he's got some pop that he could bring to any team.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So in terms of the Reds, I'm not sure
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Speaker 2: the fit. I guess he could DH maybe there, but
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Speaker 2: certainly not gonna play third day at Cabrian Hayes there.
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Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to play first over the
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Speaker 2: young players. He could DH there. You know, I think
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Speaker 2: the best fits to me would be Boston, Pittsburgh, maybe
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Speaker 2: even Seattle again, but Boston Pittsburgh are the best fits.
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Speaker 2: But there's not a market for him, and it's puzzling
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Speaker 2: after forty nine home runs. So I actually talked to
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Speaker 2: a GM this morning on a team that's a non
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Speaker 2: contending team, and I said, one, you sign Suarez, since
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Speaker 2: you have a spot for him that makes sense in
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Speaker 2: the lineup and have a need, why don't you sign
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Speaker 2: him for the first half of the year, let him
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Speaker 2: hit his twenty home runs in your ballpark, and then
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Speaker 2: trade him at the deadline for a prospect. And his
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Speaker 2: response to me kind of raised my eyebrows, right, he said, well,
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Speaker 2: look at what he did last year. He was hitting
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Speaker 2: forty nine homers and we got to the trade deadline
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Speaker 2: and there was no trade market for him, and Arizona
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Speaker 2: barely got a decent return, So why would I want
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Speaker 2: to spend the money for Suarez in the first half
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Speaker 2: of the year for a fringe prospect that I trade for,
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Speaker 2: And he said, I don't think the market's any better
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Speaker 2: for him.
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Speaker 3: Look at the free agent market right now for him.
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Speaker 2: He's not getting hits. It's not like he's waiting for
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Speaker 2: a better offer. He's got people kicking the tires, but
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Speaker 2: they are not pursuing him for whatever reason. So look,
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Speaker 2: I think the fact that he's not a very good
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Speaker 2: defender at third base without a very limited range, hasn't
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Speaker 2: played a lot of so you're looking at a DH
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Speaker 2: that can play a little third and maybe you could
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Speaker 2: put him at first kind of situation. But the market,
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Speaker 2: believe it or not, because it's hard to fathom. But
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Speaker 2: a forty nine homer guy just isn't doesn't have the
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Speaker 2: market right now. You know, Boston's worried about the defense.
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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh doesn't. I don't think wants to spend much money
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Speaker 2: anymore after what they've already spent this offseason. So I
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Speaker 2: find it fascinating where he's at. But the market just
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Speaker 2: hasn't been there. There's nothing imminent. He's not close to anything,
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Speaker 2: and I think somebody should swoop in and take a
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Speaker 2: chance on him and your idea, Todd father of the Reds,
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Speaker 2: if they wanted DHM certainly makes sense to me.
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Speaker 3: In that ballpark, it's so.
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Speaker 4: Crazy me forty nine home runs and you just you're
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Speaker 4: getting crickets. It seems like somebody's like colluding to anyway.
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Speaker 4: I won't even I won't even go there, but I'm
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Speaker 4: gonna ask one last pitching question about your list. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: give me the most value on this list, is it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: Perfect?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I love Chris Bassett.
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Speaker 2: I don't think people realize how consistent he is year
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Speaker 2: in and year out. He takes the ball, he makes
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Speaker 2: thirty starts, his keeps his eheria under four. And this
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Speaker 2: is going to be a core Whoever gets him, this
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Speaker 2: is gonna be a quality sign. I keep thinking Aj
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Speaker 2: Preller of the Padres is going to jump in and
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Speaker 2: grab him, right. I mean, he desperately needs another starting
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Speaker 2: pitcher there. The only really they've done this offseason is
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Speaker 2: Michael King. I think he would be a perfect fit
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Speaker 2: pitching half his games there in San Diego in that
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Speaker 2: great weather at his age. But I think he's going
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Speaker 2: to be a real value because he's consistent. No, he's
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Speaker 2: not a one, two or three, and probably the stage
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Speaker 2: of his career is a four. But I can count
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Speaker 2: on thirty starts and that is so important, as you
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Speaker 2: guys know, I.
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Speaker 6: Want to switch gears again here, Andrew McCutcheon. I know
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Speaker 6: you've seen this whole situation, and you know, social media
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Speaker 6: is a really beautiful thing and it also can be
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Speaker 6: a detriment too as well.
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Speaker 3: They talk about legacy.
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Speaker 6: How you know, some fans ask sharing to about our
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Speaker 6: ben sharing thing about you know, what about Andrew McCutchen.
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Speaker 6: You know, they talk about he had a three year
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Speaker 6: deal and they you know, that was just kind of
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Speaker 6: going away party kind of deal. But a fan says
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Speaker 6: pretty much, I know, like listen, we've had him already.
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Speaker 6: We were trying to win, and McCutchen comes back and
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Speaker 6: has a nice little tweet about it. You know, you're
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Speaker 6: not going to tell me my story, So go into
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Speaker 6: that a little bit and talk a little about what
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Speaker 6: you think about this whole situation.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So, I mean, number one, when you're running a franchise,
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Speaker 2: you got to be sensitive to the people that have
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Speaker 2: been the face of the franchise, right and when you
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Speaker 2: think of the Pirates until Paul Skeen's got there. Andrew
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Speaker 2: McCutchen has been the face of the franchise basically over
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Speaker 2: the last decade.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he left to go to San Francisco and the Yankees,
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Speaker 2: but he's been a Pittsburgh Pirate. He has been great
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Speaker 2: with the front office, he's been great in the community.
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Speaker 2: He has been the fabric of class and dignity representing
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Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Pirates on and off the field. Yes, agent declined,
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Speaker 2: has gotten him, without a doubt. I think if you're
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Speaker 2: running the Pirates and you get to Septen and you've
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Speaker 2: made the decision you're not going to bring him back.
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Speaker 2: You call Andrew McCutcheon into your office and you say, look,
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Speaker 2: you've had a great career here.
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Speaker 3: We're going to move on from you.
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Speaker 2: We've made that decision, and we want to give you
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Speaker 2: the opportunity if you want to either retire or allow
16:16
Speaker 2: us to have an Andrew McCutcheon Day on the last
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Speaker 2: day of the season and honor you in front of
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Speaker 2: the fans.
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Speaker 3: That's how you do it, right.
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Speaker 2: And then when you get to the off season, if
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Speaker 2: you're going to sign them as your twenty six guy,
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Speaker 2: then go do a deal and get him signed as
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Speaker 2: your twenty six guy and make sure he's at Pirates
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Speaker 2: best right.
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Speaker 3: You don't want to leave it in limbo.
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Speaker 2: And the last thing you can't do with the face
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Speaker 2: of the franchise is not communicate with the player and
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Speaker 2: tell him exactly where you stand and why, and treat
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Speaker 2: him with class and dignity.
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Speaker 3: Because Andrew McCutcheon is.
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Speaker 2: A human being for all he's done for Pittsburgh deserves that,
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Speaker 2: and by the way, also deserves to be given a
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Speaker 2: job in their front office or on the field on
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Speaker 2: the staff if he wanted it when he's done playing.
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Speaker 2: So I think the entire situation has been mishandled by Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 2: I think they have time to correct it, and I
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Speaker 2: hope that they do. I still think he's got something
17:14
Speaker 2: left in the tank. I think it's probably as an
17:17
Speaker 2: extra outfield or part time DH kind of role, but
17:20
Speaker 2: there's still a spot for him, and I think if
17:22
Speaker 2: he wants to play one more year, I think the
17:25
Speaker 2: Pirates owe it to him to give him one more
17:26
Speaker 2: year because he can still play.
17:29
Speaker 5: And I can add on this.
17:31
Speaker 4: One of my good friends and somebody I saw make
17:33
Speaker 4: his big League debut from playing with him in Triple
17:36
Speaker 4: A and seeing him get called up. He loves the
17:38
Speaker 4: city of Pittsburgh. He hasn't just played there. He loves
17:41
Speaker 4: the city of Pittsburgh. So my last question to you
17:44
Speaker 4: is another aging veteran who is looking possibly we had
17:48
Speaker 4: some conflicting reports you Darvis situation. What's your take on
17:53
Speaker 4: the whole U Darvis situation and how it was handled,
17:57
Speaker 4: how it's being handled, and how it should be handled.
18:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hate for that kind of stuff to leak
18:04
Speaker 2: out where it doesn't originally come from a press conference
18:07
Speaker 2: from the player. When a player is forty three million
18:10
Speaker 2: left on the contract, don't really want a writer to
18:13
Speaker 2: leak out that he's going to retire. And quickly Joel Wolf,
18:17
Speaker 2: his agent, jumped in and said, wait, wait, wait, wait,
18:18
Speaker 2: wait a minute, these decisions have been made yet. And
18:20
Speaker 2: I remember, as you guys know, his agent gets about
18:24
Speaker 2: two million of that forty three million left right with
18:26
Speaker 2: his with his percentage, so he's affected as well. There
18:30
Speaker 2: have been players, as you know, historically, that have walked
18:32
Speaker 2: away from a lot of money. Gil Mesher the Royals
18:35
Speaker 2: back in the day, walked away from a huge contract,
18:38
Speaker 2: something most people don't do. Steven Strasburg got paid his
18:42
Speaker 2: full amount to walk away from, you know, his team,
18:46
Speaker 2: the Washington Nationals. That was because of injury, which Darvish
18:50
Speaker 2: is injured right now too, so that so he got
18:52
Speaker 2: completely paid. Gil Mesh walked away from it. But the
18:56
Speaker 2: Players Association historically doesn't want players to walk away for
19:00
Speaker 2: the guarantee money. They don't want to set precedent for
19:03
Speaker 2: the rest of the players.
19:04
Speaker 3: That it's okay to do that. So there's a little
19:07
Speaker 3: pressure there.
19:08
Speaker 2: There's a little pressure from the agent and the money
19:10
Speaker 2: he's gonna make. And then there is kind of is
19:13
Speaker 2: you're a compromise in the middle where if you do
19:15
Speaker 2: walk away, uh, maybe you pay me half of what's
19:18
Speaker 2: left and I'll walk away from the other.
19:20
Speaker 3: But the whole idea of having.
19:22
Speaker 2: An article come out there he's retiring, he's going to
19:24
Speaker 2: walk away from forty three million.
19:26
Speaker 3: It doesn't help anybody because if you're a.
19:28
Speaker 2: Fan like, oh, yeah, he's walking away from that, we'll
19:31
Speaker 2: go sign Framber Baldez. We'll take the money and give
19:34
Speaker 2: it to Framber now, yay, you know it's you don't
19:37
Speaker 2: want that, right, And then the other thing is the
19:40
Speaker 2: darbish is he really ready to not try to fight
19:42
Speaker 2: back from Tommy John and and pitch again. So I
19:46
Speaker 2: think the sometimes in today's social media, information gets out
19:51
Speaker 2: before you want it to get out.
19:53
Speaker 3: You know.
19:54
Speaker 2: I always have told players in my career, you know,
19:57
Speaker 2: don't say anything until you're ready to make a decison,
20:00
Speaker 2: to make sure you've talked to your family, the agent,
20:02
Speaker 2: the team, and work everything out, because there's a lot
20:06
Speaker 2: of people that get involved when you sit there and
20:09
Speaker 2: you want to retire and you've got forty three millions
20:11
Speaker 2: still on the books.
20:13
Speaker 1: At corner let sizzle, Well, we're starting to learn more
20:16
Speaker 1: and more about players that are either in or out
20:18
Speaker 1: for the World Baseball Classic. Actually, this one came in
20:20
Speaker 1: hot just during our conversation. Not only do we know
20:25
Speaker 1: most of the roster I guess for Team Japan, but
20:28
Speaker 1: I think there was a drop of questioning about Yamamoto.
20:31
Speaker 1: I mean, he's pitched so much for the Dodgers, and
20:33
Speaker 1: then leading up to October he's in confirmed. So just
20:37
Speaker 1: wanted to throw that out there. We just saw a
20:39
Speaker 1: tweet from Alden Gonzalez there's one in. Here's one out
20:43
Speaker 1: for Team Venezuela. Jose Altuve, who got hurt last time
20:46
Speaker 1: around at the World Baseball Classic. Wow, this time Astros
20:51
Speaker 1: say no, A team can't force a player not to go,
20:56
Speaker 1: but they can request it. Altuve is a franchise, lifelong
21:01
Speaker 1: dude there, and they clearly had a conversation. He was
21:04
Speaker 1: looking to get cleared. I saw a tweet that I
21:07
Speaker 1: had actually sent through this morning about Altove talking to
21:11
Speaker 1: the press about how he wanted to play. But maybe
21:16
Speaker 1: it's a tougher sell todd father because he had gotten
21:20
Speaker 1: hurt in a prior World Baseball Classic.
21:24
Speaker 6: I don't know man telling somebody they can't play for
21:27
Speaker 6: their country from me and Cratsy, I feel like he
21:30
Speaker 6: would agree with me on this for playing. He played
21:32
Speaker 6: for two different and I played for three different USA teams,
21:36
Speaker 6: And to tell me I can't do something like that,
21:39
Speaker 6: that would that would sting a lot more than other
21:42
Speaker 6: things do, so that that would leave a bad taste
21:45
Speaker 6: in my mouth. But you know he won't participated. He listened.
21:50
Speaker 6: Maybe there's something else going on. But if he's healthy
21:53
Speaker 6: and everything's good to go, and they they're basically saying no,
21:56
Speaker 6: I don't think it's a good idea, And you know
21:59
Speaker 6: you're not getting their approval, which you really don't need
22:02
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, but still for them
22:04
Speaker 6: to say that, I'd be like, hmmm, that that one
22:07
Speaker 6: doesn't sit well with me.
22:08
Speaker 1: And it was a hit by pitch, I mean he
22:10
Speaker 1: missed the first forty three games of twenty twenty three.
22:12
Speaker 5: That sucks.
22:13
Speaker 1: Right hit by a fastball from Daniel Bard ninety six
22:17
Speaker 1: when Venezuela lost to the US in the quarterfinal game.
22:20
Speaker 1: I mean it was a highly watched game, very entertaining,
22:23
Speaker 1: but fractured right thumb missed time. Okay, that's why I'm
22:27
Speaker 1: just trying to come up with. I don't know if
22:29
Speaker 1: it's an excuse, but some reason why he wouldn't be
22:33
Speaker 1: allowed to go. Is there something else going on with
22:35
Speaker 1: him where he's recovering from something, nothing that we know
22:38
Speaker 1: of publicly, So maybe we'll get more context at some point.
22:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't if you were going to play WBC
22:46
Speaker 4: and there was like some kind of crazy rule in
22:48
Speaker 4: the WBC where like dudes will get tackled or something, yeah,
22:52
Speaker 4: I get it, but you're going to play a game
22:55
Speaker 4: that you're playing in spring training he got hit by
22:57
Speaker 4: a pitch, broke his thumb. I promise at the end
23:00
Speaker 4: of spring training Joseel tuv is gonna have to face
23:03
Speaker 4: some dude who's like a ninety nine or a ninety
23:06
Speaker 4: five number coming over from the backfields that probably.
23:10
Speaker 5: Doesn't know where the ball's going.
23:11
Speaker 4: Big League hitters accidentally hit guys like those types of
23:15
Speaker 4: things happen. I hope that's not the reason, and I'm
23:18
Speaker 4: glad that Josey said, Okay, that's fine that they came
23:22
Speaker 4: to an agreeance because Carlos Correa still wants to play,
23:25
Speaker 4: and they're him and Jim Crane, which I know Jim
23:28
Speaker 4: Crane absolutely loves jose Al Tuve. He absolutely loves Carlos Correa,
23:33
Speaker 4: and they have a different relationship than say somebody has
23:36
Speaker 4: only been with an organization for a few years or
23:39
Speaker 4: just signed over there as a free agent, like Jim
23:42
Speaker 4: Crane and those guys. He knows those guys very well,
23:45
Speaker 4: and I think it'll be amicable. But I think, like Hosey,
23:52
Speaker 4: Josey ultimately has a final say here, so I don't
23:55
Speaker 4: think he would be pissed that they didn't let him go,
23:58
Speaker 4: just because, like, look, he's to be He's going to
24:01
Speaker 4: be there for the rest of his career. He's a
24:02
Speaker 4: franchise player. So there's some give and take there. So
24:06
Speaker 4: maybe there's something else that we don't know.
24:08
Speaker 1: This could be the last one that he was going
24:10
Speaker 1: to play in. I guess he could do one in
24:12
Speaker 1: three years or whatever. Yeah, he probably has one more
24:15
Speaker 1: in him, so he'll probably fight harder. But sure he's pissed.
24:19
Speaker 6: I mean, but he can say he can say no,
24:24
Speaker 6: I love thanks for your opinion, but I'm still gonna
24:27
Speaker 6: do it, you know, I mean, what are they gonna
24:29
Speaker 6: be pissed off for? You know, Listen, I don't know
24:34
Speaker 6: if he's if it's not a rule, you have to
24:36
Speaker 6: really think about what you really want to do. And
24:37
Speaker 6: I feel like anybody in their right mind I love
24:40
Speaker 6: him in baseball and has a chance to play for
24:42
Speaker 6: their country and anything should do it.
24:45
Speaker 1: I agree. Carlos Kray is still waiting for the approval
24:48
Speaker 1: process too. The only thing I want to also add
24:51
Speaker 1: is that there is an insurance component. Clayton Kershaw couldn't
24:55
Speaker 1: get the insurance component in gear to play last time
24:58
Speaker 1: around Kara. Who'd be going through something like that, right,
25:01
Speaker 1: We've had physical issues for Kreya in the past with
25:05
Speaker 1: his contracts. I don't know. Again, that's speculation. Because we
25:09
Speaker 1: go back to what Todd Fother said, it's Krea.
25:12
Speaker 3: Being told not to play too from the Astros.
25:13
Speaker 1: The Astros just holding back certain veteran position players. You
25:17
Speaker 1: don't love to see that. But Crey is trying to
25:19
Speaker 1: push right now. That's what we learned the other day
25:21
Speaker 1: from him because the Astros had their fan fest. There
25:23
Speaker 1: you go, there's a tweet from Chandler Rome still working
25:25
Speaker 1: through certain approvals required for him to participate. If he
25:28
Speaker 1: receives that approval, he will play for Team Puerto Rico.
25:31
Speaker 1: So to me, if it's him and Jim Crane working
25:35
Speaker 1: through it, owner of the team, that probably means it's
25:37
Speaker 1: more on the insurance side. With Altuve, it sounds like
25:39
Speaker 1: it was more on the team side. But again speculation.
25:43
Speaker 1: For now, here's another player who wants to participate, who
25:46
Speaker 1: will participate despite some pushback. Logan Webb in regards to
25:52
Speaker 1: the Giants not wanting him to pitch at the WBC
25:57
Speaker 1: said quote, Obviously they have their thoughts about it. Think
26:00
Speaker 1: that's known, but at the end of the day, it's
26:02
Speaker 1: my decision.
26:04
Speaker 3: So just like that, mm hmm.
26:10
Speaker 6: Love that. Take control of what you want to do
26:13
Speaker 6: if you're allowed to do something. You can easily say
26:16
Speaker 6: yes or no to whatever decision you want and how
26:18
Speaker 6: you feel. I think that's great, agreed.
26:23
Speaker 1: Good for you, Logan. And there are plenty of other
26:28
Speaker 1: cases you can point to at this point, Paul Skins,
26:32
Speaker 1: Eric Scouble who's entering his free agent year, Skiings who's
26:36
Speaker 1: pre big contract, like, there are plenty of comps where
26:39
Speaker 1: Logan Web could be like, I'm one of the most
26:41
Speaker 1: durable starters in the game.
26:43
Speaker 5: I'm a veteran.
26:43
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing. I'm going to log a
26:45
Speaker 1: few starts for Team USA in the World Baseball Classic.
26:48
Speaker 3: Good for him.
26:51
Speaker 4: Maybe he wants to pitch, Maybe he wants to pitch
26:52
Speaker 4: in like real games too. Some dudes like, oh great,
26:55
Speaker 4: I get to throw three innings against this team. Oh great,
26:59
Speaker 4: we're facing We're facing the Dodgers in my next start.
27:02
Speaker 4: So I'm going down to the b field. I'm going
27:05
Speaker 4: down the field too because I had to throw.
27:07
Speaker 6: No.
27:08
Speaker 4: Instead, I'm gonna throw games against Brazil, Mexico, Great Britain
27:15
Speaker 4: or Japan or like some duds just like to compete.
27:20
Speaker 4: And if he gets hurt, it's also his career too,
27:23
Speaker 4: not just the team losing a player. He gets that
27:26
Speaker 4: players understand that and that's how important it is to
27:30
Speaker 4: put your country on your back.
27:34
Speaker 1: Yes, and Doc asked in the chat, contracts insured against
27:37
Speaker 1: injuries that may occur at the WBC. Yes, as far
27:40
Speaker 1: as I know, that's what they do. They pay some premium, right,
27:43
Speaker 1: so that they can ensure these contracts in case there's
27:48
Speaker 1: an injury in the World Baseball Classic and affects the season.
27:52
Speaker 5: Right.
27:52
Speaker 1: That's how you get teams who invest a lot in
27:54
Speaker 1: players to say, okay, we'll give the approval for this
27:58
Speaker 1: to happen. Teams have to prove most things for players
28:02
Speaker 1: outside of Major League Baseball, and even though this is
28:05
Speaker 1: Baseball's event, that's part of it. They have to get
28:07
Speaker 1: the insurance premium. So I'm sure they pay millions of
28:09
Speaker 1: dollars to be able to ensure all the players.