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The Late Debate | 28 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, great to have you company. I'm James McPherson
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  Speaker 2: with Caleb Bond and Danika DiGiorgio. And just before we
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  Speaker 2: get into the show tonight, I've got a question for you, Caleb.
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  Speaker 2: Would you consider yourself to be a decisive person?
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  Speaker 3: In general, yeah, I'd say so.
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  Speaker 2: Danika and I were just wondering.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I saw tonight that you took 11 ties
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  Speaker 4: into the changing room.
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  Speaker 1: 11.
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  Speaker 5: So the question is, are you a decisive person or not?
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  Speaker 3: I knew what tie I was wearing before I went
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  Speaker 3: into the changing room.
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  Speaker 5: So why did you take 11 in?
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  Speaker 3: Because when I get off here, so we're letting people
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  Speaker 3: into the secrets of how this works, right? I get
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  Speaker 3: off here and I go into the dressing room. And
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  Speaker 3: I take my tie off and I generally just put
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  Speaker 3: it on whichever coat hanger the suit or the shirt
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  Speaker 3: is on. And so the coat hanger just accumulates lots
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  Speaker 3: of ties. So I didn't take them all in there
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  Speaker 3: to make a decision. It's just that I'm lazy.
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  Speaker 5: So why would you just take one tie in? Why
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  Speaker 5: do you have to take the whole rack?
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  Speaker 3: Well, because then I would have to take all of
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  Speaker 3: the ties off of that coat hanger and transfer them
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  Speaker 3: to another coat hanger or place. They're just on that
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  Speaker 3: coat hanger.
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  Speaker 5: I don't understand this logic. Well, there's not much logic
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  Speaker 5: to it.
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  Speaker 4: Take one tie off, just take the tie off and
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  Speaker 4: take it in.
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  Speaker 3: No, but the shirt was on the coat hanger as well.
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  Speaker 3: So the shirt, there might have been six tyres on
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  Speaker 3: the coat hanger, but the shirt I was going to
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  Speaker 3: wear was on that coat hanger, as was the tyre
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  Speaker 3: I was going to wear. So I just took it
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  Speaker 3: all in.
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  Speaker 2: It's just that you spend a lot of time in
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  Speaker 2: the change room and we figured he must just, 11 tyres, he's.
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  Speaker 5: Flying them all in. I've been in there for about
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  Speaker 5: 20 minutes tonight. And James and I go, where the
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  Speaker 5: heck is Caleb?
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  Speaker 3: All right, do you want to know why I was
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  Speaker 3: in the change room for all that time?
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  Speaker 5: Do we want to know?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 3: It's not of that nature. No, it's because Danica at
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  Speaker 3: the moment is terribly annoying. She's taken up drinking coffee again, right?
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  Speaker 3: And she's coming into work absolutely bouncing all over the joint.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you're trying to get some work done. She
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  Speaker 3: comes out, everybody nattering behind you all the time, trying
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  Speaker 3: to get your attention. Excuse me. I needed 15 minutes
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  Speaker 3: to myself. So I went into the changing room and
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  Speaker 3: I locked myself in there.
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  Speaker 5: But I wanted to teach you how to ballroom dance.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, for goodness sake. Do you people see what I
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  Speaker 3: have to put up with around here?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into the show. Just before we do, Caleb,
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  Speaker 2: I might join you in the dressing room.
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  Speaker 3: I don't blame you.
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  Speaker 2: Get away from her. Here's what's coming up tonight. Victorian
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  Speaker 2: Liberal leader Jess Wilson is still insisting she won't be
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  Speaker 2: involved in any leaders' debate which features One Nation. Does
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  Speaker 2: she have a point or is she just running scared?
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  Speaker 2: Neil Young sues Donald Trump for $ 10 million over unauthorised
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  Speaker 2: use of his music. Apparently nothing's more offensive to a
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  Speaker 2: rock star than the possibility of being mistaken for a Republican.
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  Speaker 2: And a 14-year-old boy who stabbed a girl 10 times
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  Speaker 2: with a kitchen knife avoids jail after the judge says
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  Speaker 2: prison is the last place for such a bright young lad.
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  Speaker 2: Raising the question, what place is appropriate for someone who
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  Speaker 2: stabs a little girl 10 times? We'll get into all
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  Speaker 2: of that shortly. But first, if you live in the
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  Speaker 2: South Australian coastal town of Goolwa and fancy a Big
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  Speaker 2: Mac or a quarter pounder, you might want to start
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  Speaker 2: making other arrangements. Locals are furious at plans to open
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  Speaker 2: a McDonald's store in their sleepy town. and a demanding
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  Speaker 2: authorities block the move. They say it will change the
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  Speaker 2: character of what they boast is a slow town. and
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  Speaker 2: adversely affect the town's 38 existing food outlets. 38. Sounds
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  Speaker 2: like the town's character is already deep fried. McDonald's claim
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  Speaker 2: a store would create more than 100 jobs for locals
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  Speaker 2: and having it positioned adjacent to the football club and
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  Speaker 2: a shopping centre featuring woolies and food land hardly changes
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  Speaker 2: the historic character of the town. Locals have collected 3,000
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  Speaker 2: signatures opposing a McDonald's, which is amazing since that's greater
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  Speaker 2: than the town's population. According to the 2021 census, personally,
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  Speaker 2: I think the locals are out of line. If planning
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  Speaker 2: laws allow McDonald's to open, then McDonald's have a right
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  Speaker 2: to be there. Don't want a Big Mac? Don't buy one.
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  Speaker 2: And if enough people agree with you, well, market forces
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  Speaker 2: will send the restaurant the way of the dodo. That's
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  Speaker 2: how a free market works. You persuade people with your choices.
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  Speaker 2: You don't dictate them through a mob with a petition.
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  Speaker 2: Nor do you get to decide which restaurants other people
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  Speaker 2: can open simply because you don't like the smell of
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  Speaker 2: their business model. What next? Residents start vetting who's allowed
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  Speaker 2: to move in next door. Maybe they could introduce a
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  Speaker 2: planning committee to approve everyone's Sunday lunch while they're at it.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing says slow town. Quite like trying to stop everyone
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  Speaker 2: else from moving forward, Caleb.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, but come on. Surely the local community ought to
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  Speaker 3: have a say in what their community looks like. Now,
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  Speaker 3: we have in place when anything goes to a planning committee,
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  Speaker 3: whether it be the state government or council or whatever,
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  Speaker 3: they generally go to public consultation. And the reason they
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  Speaker 3: go to public consultation is because it's generally regarded that
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  Speaker 3: the community ought to have a say in what their
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  Speaker 3: community looks like. And so if the people of Goolwa,
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  Speaker 3: and I've spent a lot of time in Goolwa as
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  Speaker 3: a kid, my grandparents had a place there, Wonderful part
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  Speaker 3: of South Australia. Now, I personally wouldn't have an issue
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  Speaker 3: with McDonald's being there as someone who spent a lot
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  Speaker 3: of time there. But if the people of Goolwa don't
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  Speaker 3: want a Maccas in Goolwa, I don't see why it
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  Speaker 3: should be foisted upon them. If they say we prefer
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  Speaker 3: the fish and chip shop, the only thing Goolwa doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have it could do with is a Chinese shop. Actually,
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  Speaker 3: there's no Chinese restaurant in Goolwa. which was always much
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  Speaker 3: to the chagrin of my grandfather. But if they don't
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  Speaker 3: want a Maccas, they shouldn't have a Maccas forced upon them.
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  Speaker 3: If the character of the town, and I think it's
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  Speaker 3: the only... a town in Australia that is recognised as
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  Speaker 3: an official sit-a-slow town.
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  Speaker 2: It's two other towns.
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  Speaker 3: OK, so they... It's set up out of Italy, I think,
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  Speaker 3: and you meet these criteria to say that you are
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  Speaker 3: a slow town, right? And they're proud of that, so
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  Speaker 3: why should they have to put up with Maccas if
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  Speaker 3: they don't want Maccas there? That's their decision as a
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  Speaker 3: community to make.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I was unfamiliar with Gulwar and the entire Fleurieu Peninsula,
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  Speaker 4: so I was doing a bit of research as to
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  Speaker 4: what the peninsula itself is about. So it says, great
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  Speaker 4: for kayaking, canoeing, whale watching and surfing, therefore does attract
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  Speaker 4: a certain number of visitors and tourists every year.
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  Speaker 3: It's busy in summer.
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  Speaker 5: It's busy.
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  Speaker 4: OK, so total visitor expenditure is about $ 630 million. That
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  Speaker 4: was to December last year, and it recorded 1.16 million
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  Speaker 4: overnight visits in the year to December. So my argument
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  Speaker 4: would be then, why wouldn't you put a McDonald's in
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  Speaker 4: if you've got that level of visitation throughout the year?
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  Speaker 4: People are passing by your town. They've got the McDonald's.
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  Speaker 4: If they set up a McDonald's, wouldn't it just be
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  Speaker 4: another facility? Yep, you might even just pass by. There's
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  Speaker 4: your local McDonald's in and out. It would encourage more
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  Speaker 4: people to go to the region. It would also put
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  Speaker 4: 100 jobs there. So that's good for the local economy.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't really know what the problem is. If
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  Speaker 4: this entire peninsula clearly is buzzing, clearly is attracting people,
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  Speaker 4: put up a McDonald's and give people a choice of
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  Speaker 4: what food they want.
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  Speaker 3: There is already Maccas on the Fleurieu Peninsula. You can
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  Speaker 3: go down to Victor Harbour, otherwise known as God's waiting room.
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  Speaker 5: If it's close by, well, how far away would this
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  Speaker 5: be then?
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  Speaker 3: Half an hour away, about 25 minutes. That's fine.
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  Speaker 4: Doesn't that make it just like a normal regional... You know,
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  Speaker 4: even if you go stay in the regions here in
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  Speaker 4: New South Wales, at every half hour to an hour point,
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  Speaker 4: there is a takeaway of some capacity, whether it's a
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  Speaker 4: pizza joint, a fish and chips joint or anything.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, but you don't roll into a little country town
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  Speaker 3: and see... Maccas very often do you if you go
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  Speaker 3: to a regional center which and Victor Harbor is kind
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  Speaker 3: of the regional center of the peninsula Much bigger place,
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  Speaker 3: so they've got all the fast food options, but if
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  Speaker 3: you go into what is Fundamentally a country town now
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  Speaker 3: Yes It does become bustling during summer because it's on
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  Speaker 3: the mouth of the Murray River and it's got the
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  Speaker 3: beach so people go down There is a tourist place
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  Speaker 3: you know holiday homes whatever to spend Christmas and New
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  Speaker 3: Year's and that kind of thing but otherwise It is
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  Speaker 3: basically a country town. You wouldn't go into any other
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  Speaker 3: country town and expect to see a Macca's, would you?
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  Speaker 3: And that's what people want to.
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  Speaker 5: I don't really see what the big deal is. That's
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  Speaker 5: what they want to protect.
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  Speaker 4: You just mentioned fish and chips there before. That's still
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  Speaker 4: a takeaway joint.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, but the local fish and chip shop
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  Speaker 3: is very different to a multinational shop, and that's what
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  Speaker 3: the people of Goolwer are saying. We want our town
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  Speaker 3: to remain a country town.
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  Speaker 2: Well, one of the organisers of the petition specifically says
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  Speaker 2: we don't need an American fast food joint here. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not quite sure how the word American is relevant. I
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  Speaker 2: suspect there's a little bit of bias, perhaps. But your
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  Speaker 2: point is well made. It's a country town, emphasis on town,
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  Speaker 2: not a private country club where the members get to
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  Speaker 2: decide who has admittance and who does not. We have
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  Speaker 2: planning laws for a reason to stop this sort of
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  Speaker 2: just local biases being able to expel people they don't
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  Speaker 2: like for whatever reason. If the planning laws are breached,
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  Speaker 2: then MACAs don't come to town, if the planning laws
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  Speaker 2: are sufficiently checked off, then Maccas have a right to
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  Speaker 2: be there.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and that process will be gone through. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they haven't even reached that point yet.
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  Speaker 2: You're arguing like, no, regardless of the planning laws, locals,
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  Speaker 2: if they don't want their character of their town changed,
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  Speaker 2: they shouldn't have to change it.
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  Speaker 3: I think it should be an element of the decision. Absolutely. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: How would you enforce that? How would you objectively define that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, what do you mean? Objectively define the character of
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  Speaker 3: the town? Yeah. Well, through the people who live in it,
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  Speaker 3: I suppose.
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  Speaker 2: Would you stop all the tourists coming in in summer
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  Speaker 2: because that ruins the character of the town?
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  Speaker 3: There are probably some people in Goolwa who would like
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  Speaker 3: to stop the tourists coming in. But I think they
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  Speaker 3: also understand that it brings a great deal of money
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  Speaker 3: to the local economy.
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  Speaker 2: Maccas would bring a great deal of prosperity and jobs.
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  Speaker 3: But Goolwa's doing quite well without a Macdonald.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, I was reading some of the comments, actually,
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  Speaker 4: on this article. I think this was in the Adelaide Advertiser,
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  Speaker 4: and I was reading the comments down the bottom. A
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  Speaker 4: lot of people said, thank goodness, and they're Goolba residents saying,
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  Speaker 4: thank goodness, because we don't have enough proper takeaway outlets
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  Speaker 4: in this town.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you've been there. You tell us what's in there,
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  Speaker 5: what's already in there.
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  Speaker 3: Well, apart from it needs a Chinese restaurant, I believe, but,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's got... Fish and chips, there's pubs. It's,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the sort of stuff you'd... Pizza joints, the
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  Speaker 3: stuff you'd expect to find in any country town.
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  Speaker 2: Would you object to a Chinese restaurant coming to town?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely not. I'd say bring in the Chinese restaurant.
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  Speaker 2: You could have Chinese but not Macca's.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think it's... Macca's comes with its big
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  Speaker 3: arches at the front and all the carry-on, right? If
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about a.
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  Speaker 2: It's so racist.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, what?
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  Speaker 2: Am I being racist? You're being racist. It's McDonald's. It's
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  Speaker 2: because it's American.
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  Speaker 3: It's not because it's American. A Chinese restaurant in a
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  Speaker 3: small shop front in the main street of Goolwa is
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  Speaker 3: rather different to a Big Macca's with a car park
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  Speaker 3: and all the gear, I think. They could have.
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  Speaker 5: The car park. McDonald's are smart enough.
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  Speaker 4: They're a smart enough business enterprise to be doing enough
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  Speaker 4: market research to figure out where they want to put
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  Speaker 4: their restaurants and outlets. So for some reason, Gulwar has
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  Speaker 4: been selected and I don't.
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  Speaker 5: Think it would have been off a whim. It would
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  Speaker 5: have required a.
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  Speaker 4: Lot of market research, a lot of information about the
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  Speaker 4: local area and whether or not it would succeed in
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  Speaker 4: a place like Gulwar.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't think they're dumb.
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  Speaker 3: Nah, well, I say stick your mackers up your clackers.
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  Speaker 3: But having said that, I do enjoy a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of mackers myself occasionally.
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  Speaker 5: Loves a big mack.
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  Speaker 3: There you go. No, I'm not a big... I'm a
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  Speaker 3: chicken and cheese person.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that.
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  Speaker 5: You look like a chicken and cheese.
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  Speaker 2: If you saw all the Maccas rappers in Caleb's dressing room.
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  Speaker 3: LAUGHTER I thought there was Maccas rappers in your car.
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  Speaker 3: You used to frequent Maccas on the way home quite
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  Speaker 3: a lot, didn't you?
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  Speaker 2: Occasionally. Let's move on with the show.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't want to be exposed for his Maccas consumption.
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  Speaker 3: That's why he wants it in Goolwa. While we're talking
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  Speaker 3: about South Australia, we talked a little bit last night
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  Speaker 3: about the fact that a couple of councillors on the
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  Speaker 3: Adelaide City Council had gone to a protest, to protest
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  Speaker 3: against Santos being the sponsor of the Tour Down Under,
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  Speaker 3: the cycling race. in South Australia, Santos, of course, being
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  Speaker 3: the gas company. Well, last night, and I broke this
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  Speaker 3: as it was happening, but last night, the Adelaide City
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  Speaker 3: Council passed a rule that you will not be able
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  Speaker 3: to advertise any fossil fuel-related company on council land. Now,
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: we've found out a bit more detail about this today.
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  Speaker 3: What it means is that for the two down under, right... Now,
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  Speaker 3: if you've ever been to the two down under... great
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  Speaker 3: event they have in Victoria Square in the middle of
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  Speaker 3: the Adelaide CBD while it's on the Tour Village. It
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  Speaker 3: attracts tens of thousands of people who go to check
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  Speaker 3: out what's going on during the Tour Down Under. But,
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  Speaker 3: of course, on all of the signage is Santos because
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  Speaker 3: it's called the Santos Tour Down Under. And because of
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  Speaker 3: this bylaw that's now been passed by the Adelaide City Council,
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  Speaker 3: thanks to one of these councillors who went to the
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  Speaker 3: protest but had also been taking free tickets and things
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  Speaker 3: to Tour Down Under events, they won't be able to
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  Speaker 3: use the Santos name on any of the promotional gear
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  Speaker 3: for the Tour Down Under on council land. So the
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  Speaker 3: Tour Village, what are they going to do? All the
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  Speaker 3: barriers that they put up through the city when the
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  Speaker 3: races are on that's got Santos Tour Down Under written
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  Speaker 3: on it. Like, this is just so idiotic. And I
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  Speaker 3: will note that these two councillors that we talked about
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  Speaker 3: last night who had taken free tickets to the Santos
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  Speaker 3: Tour Down Under events were worth thousands of dollars in hospitality,
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  Speaker 3: even though they opposed Santos. As part of this motion,
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  Speaker 3: they've banned people being able to take hospitality and freebies
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  Speaker 3: from companies associated... with fossil fuels. So it was all
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  Speaker 3: good and well when they were doing it before, but
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  Speaker 3: now they go, oh, we can't possibly have that. But,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this is just utterly insane.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's virtue signalling, and for what? It's going to
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  Speaker 2: hurt business because potentially they could lose a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people from the tour. It hurts ratepayers because they miss
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  Speaker 2: out on the revenue that they would have got from
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  Speaker 2: the sponsorship, and ultimately it sets a fairly dangerous precedent
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  Speaker 2: where councils start vetoing who can and can't work sponsor events,
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  Speaker 2: not because they're breaking any laws, but just because they've
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  Speaker 2: lost their social licence, whatever that means.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the other issue is, is that they've already put
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  Speaker 4: up banners across the city saying, In the council, they've
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  Speaker 4: put up a heap of banners promoting this. So are
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  Speaker 4: they actually going to now spend money and resources taking
• 13:59
  Speaker 4: down all these banners?
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  Speaker 2: There's like a grace period before this kicks in. So
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  Speaker 2: I think it's sometime in 2027. It starts next year sometime.
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  Speaker 5: But they're already advertising for it.
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  Speaker 4: That's the reality, that there are already banners with the cyclists'
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  Speaker 4: pictures on them.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, but this rule comes into effect, I
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  Speaker 3: think it's July next year.
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  Speaker 5: Right, OK. So they're going to pull it down.
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  Speaker 3: So it'll be OK for the two down under next
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  Speaker 3: year in January. Oh, gotcha. But then the following year,
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  Speaker 3: they wouldn't be able to advertise anything.
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  Speaker 2: I understand.
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  Speaker 4: All right, well, the question then is, why is this
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: honestly the priority of the local council? If you were
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: a ratepayer right now, wouldn't you be tearing your hair out,
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: thinking there are so many other issues going on and
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: this is the priority of the council? And this Mr
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: Snape character, this is the Adelaide City Councillor, that's his name,
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: Kieran Snape, Mr Snape. He accepted this. So he's accepted
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: this gift. And I was watching him last night in
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: that council meeting and he said, yes, as part of
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: this we will no longer be able to accept gifts.
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: But it was all well and good for him a
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: couple of days ago to go and enjoy this event.
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: The other thing is this constant demonisation that we're seeing
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: of fossil fuels. Australia relies on fossil fuels. And as
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: I mentioned last night, Santos has provided the backbone for
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: industry in South Australia.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: As it is. It provides about 700 jobs in Adelaide,
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: 400 in the regions. Adelaide....
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: And South Australia as a whole needs Santos. It relies
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: upon this industry. So then tear it down. I just
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: don't understand the priorities of the council.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: The other hypocrisy about this story is this council has
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: their own, you know, climate commitments or emissions targets, which
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: they're not meeting themselves. So they're not fulfilling their own
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: climate targets, though I do note they were one of
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: the first councils to declare.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: A climate emergency. So....
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: There you go. Very important things for local council to
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: be concerned with.
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: Well, yes, very, very important.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: Now, look, singer Neil Young might have a heart of gold,
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: but when it comes to Donald Trump, it seems he
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: has a heart full of hate. The singer is suing
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump for $ 10 million after Donald Trump played one
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: of his hits, Rockin' in the Free World, during his
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: walk-in at a midterm rally. That's what he's been walking
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: into lately. And Young is suing the president, claiming that
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: his entire reputation has suffered damage and the brand has
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: suffered damage as a result of the implication that he.
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: Supports Donald J. Trump in any way. This is what
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: Neil Young said.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: He said the lyrics pain to the song, the lyrics pain,
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: vivid street level portraits, a mother discarding her baby, addicts
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: lost in despair, garbage piling in the shadows of prosperity
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: while the repeated chorus delivers a savage irony celebrating freedom
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: that clearly isn't shared by all. In short, the song
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: is the opposite of everything that Donald J. Trump stands for. Now,
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: this is not the first time that Neil Young has
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: sued Donald Trump. Back in 2020, Young and Trump actually
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: settled after this campaign rally.
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: Keep on talking to Neil Young. Keep on talking in
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: the free world.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Neil's not a fan.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: He gets mad if you're playing with him.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: OK, in case you can't see that very well in
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: that video, Donald Trump was once again walking out to
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: a campaign rally with Rocking in the Free World playing
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: in the background. Now, look, I will preface by saying
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: Neil Young is a bit of a loony tune. I mean,
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: this is a guy who took himself off Spotify in
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: protest against Joe Rogan's podcast.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: So it gives you a bit of.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: An idea of where he stands politically. But in the end,
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: if he owns this music, he has the right to
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: say you need to turn it down.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: Take it off. It presents a bigger issue.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: I'm quite frankly sick to death of celebrities, one after
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: the other, lining up to demand that Donald Trump take
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: down their songs from any of his campaign ads. You've said, like,
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Celine Dion has done it. ABBA has done it, Sabrina Carpenter.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: There is this sheer paranoia among the elite that they're
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: going to be aligned with Donald Trump if their music
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: is playing. In the end, it's just music. He's not
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: out there saying... this person supports me. If the music
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: suits the theme of it, then I don't have a
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: problem with it. However, it does become a licensing issue,
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: so I actually understand why Neil Young has had to
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: do this.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Well, it certainly didn't hurt the village people, did it? No,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: look at them go. They've profited massively from an association
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: with Donald Trump. However, I think you hit the nail
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: on the head. At the end of the day, this
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: is a simple licensing issue. If Trump and his organisations
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: don't have the licences... then they don't get to use
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: the music, and nor should they. And if a singer
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: or a record company says, you know what, we don't
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: want to be associated with your campaign, the same as
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: if a company wanted to use your song to advertise
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: their product, and you said, you know what, we don't
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: want to be associated with that product, you have the
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: right to say, no, you realise this happened in Australia
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: not that long ago. Do you remember... Clive Palmer got
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: sued by Twisted Sister because he was using, we're not
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: going to take it anymore. And he was going to
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: buy the rights. They wanted $ 150, 000 for the rights. Clive
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Palmer offered $ 30, 000. They said no. So he went ahead
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: and used it anyway and ended up having to pay
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: $ 1. 5 million. Oh, wow.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: Well, Twisted Sister did quite well out of it, didn't they?
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Goodness me.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: They played the cards right.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Didn't, this is going back quite some time now, I
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: think Hunters and Collectors got upset about Steve Price using,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: I think it was Pricey, it was his theme tune
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: when he was on 2GB evenings. I'm pretty sure they were.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: What, Holy Grail?
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. And they were upset about that and wanted
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: him to stop using it. Stop being so precious. Like, OK,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: maybe Donald Trump just needs to give a fat water
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: cash to Neil Young and say, piss off, mate. But seriously, like,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: he's complaining in this... The basis of this case is
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: that he says he has suffered damage to his reputation
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: and brand as a result of the implication that he
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: supports Donald J Trump in any way. Now, if you
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: go to a Trump rally and he plays a Neil
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Young song... Is the first thing you think, Neil Young
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: must be a supporter of Donald Trump? Or if you're
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: watching it at home, is the, oh, Neil Young must
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: be a supporter of Donald Trump?
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: No.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, when he gets out there and does the YMCA,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: does anyone go, well, that must be because the village
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: people are in Donald Trump's pocket?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: No, you could assume that the village people have given permission.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: So in the same way you could assume, oh, Neil
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Young must have given permission to Trump for him to
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: use this music, thereby... concluding that he supports Trump.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: I think it's a bit of a stretch. I don't
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: think anyone looks at it and goes, oh, well, it
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: means he supports them. It's just Donald Trump playing a song.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: I think most lay people wouldn't even be thinking about
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: the rights.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's that deep, but the problem is
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: that there are rights to songs. I mean, you would
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: protect your own property, right? If you didn't like somebody,
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: you wouldn't want your music to be played.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: No, no, I just want the cash. Give me the
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: fat water cash.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but Neil Young probably doesn't need cash.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, look, Neil Young's an idiot.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: He's a strange.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: He's a strange cat.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: He's a complete strange cat.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: But Harvest Moon's a good song. I'll give it to him.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: We couldn't take Harvest Moon and make it the intro
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: to our show. We'd get a letter quick smart from
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Neil Young. So why are you defending Trump's right to
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: do it?
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Well, if we paid the right sum of money, we'd
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: be able to use it.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: And that's the point.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: But we don't pay the sum of money. But his
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: problem seems to be that he feels that by that
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: song being used at Trump rallies or any other circumstance
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: in which Trump is using it, is suggesting that he
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: somehow endorses Donald Trump and that has caused harm to
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: his reputation. I simply don't buy that as an argument.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: If your audience is Trump-hating lefties, then it probably has
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: caused you harm.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, get over it.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: Seriously. But do you know what I love when Donald Trump.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: These people are so... They made millions and millions and
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: millions of dollars out of their art and now, oh,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump used... Just get over it.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: Do you know what I love, though, when Donald Trump
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: rage-baits them?
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: When people like, for example, Sabrina Carpenter's come out and said, no,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: don't use my music, you're not allowed, but he still does,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: the guy's got so much money that if they did sue,
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: he's like, I couldn't care less.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: It would be like chicken feed to him.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Go away.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: Seriously.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: All right, election debates are a pretty important part of
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: democracy and we're supposed to be having one fairly shortly
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: between the contenders of the Victorian state election. But at
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: the moment, it's a bit uncertain as to who, if anyone...
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: is actually going to take part. Victorian Liberal leader Jess
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Wilson says she will participate in the debate, but not
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: if One Nation are involved. Here's Jess Wilson.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a clear choice at this election. There's four
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: more years of a tired, corrupt, incompetent Labor government run
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: by Ben Carroll, or there is a new direction and
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: a fresh start with me and my team. The reality
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: is that there are two people who can be premier
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: after this election, Ben Carroll or myself. And I've said
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to debate Ben Carroll any day. I'm ready,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: willing and able to debate Ben Carroll. It's Ben Carroll
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: who's refusing to debate me.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: As for Ben Carroll, he says he wants a three-way debate.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: One Nation should be there.
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: Will you come to a debate with Warren Pickering and
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: Jess Wilson? And I signed up to that. Now, you
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: can change the rules now if you want to, but
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: it's very clear. I will debate Warren Pickering and Jess Wilson.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: Let's be very clear about this. It needs to be
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: three lecterns, okay? You put your three lecterns and see
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: who turns up. If Jess Wilson doesn't have the courage
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: to debate in queue for her own constituents and actually
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: seeing that she has a seat in Parliament, what does
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: that demonstrate about how she's treating the whole of Victoria?
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I think this is a fascinating discussion because I can
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: understand why Jess Wilson doesn't want Warren Pickering there. She
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: wants to stand there as the sole conservative and not
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: risk Ben Carroll trying to put them together and warn
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Victorians that if you vote for Jess Wilson, you'll end
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: up with a one nation liberal coalition. On the other hand,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I think right now she's making the debate about the debate,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: the main story, which is overshadowing what she needs to
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: be talking about, which is how bad this Labor government is.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: So on balance, I think she's got more to lose, Danika,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: by insisting Warren Pickering can't take part. than allowing Warren
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Pickering to be on stage beside her.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but the thing is, we're in such a different
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: political climate right now. This is no longer the two
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: major parties facing off against each other when we know
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: that One Nation is a legitimate force across this country.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: 20% they're polling in Victoria.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: Both 20%. Well, that's it.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: But, you know, at a federal and a state level,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: they are in the running and they could very well
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: be the legitimate opposition.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Look, I just think, why not? Why not test.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: One Nation in an open forum on their policies and
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: what they stand for. Because the coalition, even at state level,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: are constantly saying, we don't know what One Nation actually
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: stands for.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: What are their policies? Well, why wouldn't you want to
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: have this out in an open debate?
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll be Jess Wilson because I want to go
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: and focus on Ben Carroll. But if I've got Warren
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Pickering standing beside me, it's going to muddy the waters.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: We're going to end up arguing amongst ourselves. Viewers are
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: going to get confused.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: OK, but given that One Nation.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Just the two of us.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: But given that One Nation are polling quite well already
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: in Victoria, why wouldn't you want to take them on?
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: And according to the latest news poll, so Jess Wilson
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: is obviously the preferred leader by a mile, 48% to 34%,
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: but there's 18% of voters who are undecided.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: So play to that 18%.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Convince that 18% why they should come on board. Don't
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: just assume that it's just two major parties at play here.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: We're in a different world.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: And I just don't know how you can really justify...
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: that point of view anymore. And yes, I understand from
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: a tactical perspective why she might not want to have
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Warren Pickering there. But, you know, the offer has been
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: made by News 24 to have a debate with three
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: people there. Ben Carroll made it very clear today that
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: he's happy to do that. And so Jess Wilson ought
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: to front up and do exactly the same thing.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Do you have the Greens as part of the debate?
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Well, no, I don't think you have the Greens as
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: part of the debate. The Greens in the latest news
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: poll are doing 14%, right? So the issue is that
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: it's quite possible that you would end up with a coalition, well,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: it's already a coalition, a Liberal-National plus One Nation government, right?
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: It's far less likely that you're going to end up
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: with a Labor government that has a serious composition of
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Greens in it. Now, maybe you end up with a
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: minority government where, you know, they need an independent or
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: one green or something to get over the line, whatever, right?
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: But it is more likely that you would end up
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: with a serious coalition of the Liberal Party, the National
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Party and One Nation. And so I don't think it's
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: unfair for Victorians to get a flavour of that in
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: the mix of what their government.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Would look like. Could you not have a coalition of
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Labor and the Greens? Couldn't you make the same argument
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: that the Greens should be there?
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: The Greens polling 14%. are far less likely to be
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: a player than One Nation polling at 20%.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: OK, which brings me to this question, then. If we're
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: going to work out who takes part in the debate
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: based on polling, what's the cut-off number? And who decides?
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Below 20%, I'd say, is you're out of contention.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: But you see my point, right? If we are in
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: new territory, I agree, but traditionally it's been... the premier
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: and the opposition leader. Now we're saying one nation who, well, actually,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: before I make this point, let's have a look at
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Chris Kenny's discussion with Pauline Hanson, because this will sort
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: of feed into what we're talking about.
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: Reality is you don't have any MPs. in Victoria, so
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: it's a pretty easy case to make.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Sorry, we do have an Upper House MP, Rikki Lee.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: She's been there for the last four years.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: There you go, you've got Rikki Lee up there. In Victoria.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: Yes, we do.
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, with such a minor representation and people are just
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: looking at the polls, it's a hard case to make
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: to be up there for a debate, isn't it? Otherwise
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: you'd have the Greens and other minor parties up there.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: Well, Chris, we did win the seats in South Australia
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: and we did win.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: You know, Farah, so the polls.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: proving that we can win these seats.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: OK, so that sort of illustrates the point that we're
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: talking about. Traditionally, it's been the Premier and the opposition leader.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: It's gotten strange now. We're in unfamiliar territory because we've
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: got a third party polling so highly. So do we
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: break with tradition? And you can. It's only tradition. There's
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: no law that says the debate can't include a third
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: party leader. But if we're going to go there... then
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: what are the new rules? What's the new tradition? Or
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: do we just make it up as we go every election?
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: No, I think we look at what's in contention right now.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Because correct me if I'm wrong, Caleb, I think there's
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: about four seats in particular that are at play and
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: One Nation could win one of them.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: Is that correct?
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Well, who knows?
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, who knows?
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: But just talking about the polling, I'm just talking about
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: the latest news polling.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: And they'll probably do pretty well. And there was a
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Roy Morgan, I think it.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Was from Roy Morgan that came out. Anyway, I think
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: that we've got to look at who's actually in contention here.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: And that just goes back to Caleb's point.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Right, so that's all tactics and so on. Personally, I'd
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: love to see three of them up there.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: Me too, I would love to see it. It'd be
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: great television, if nothing else. Well, no, but it's more
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: than that.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Let's have a contest of ideas and let's test each
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: other on it.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, why not?
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Indeed. Let's go over to the UK. This case, I just...
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: You think we've got problems in this country with youth
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: crime and a soft touch coming from the judiciary, but...
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: It's not just us, it would seem. A kid over
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: in the UK, a 14-year-old boy, goes and asks a girl.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: He waits for her, right, out the front of a shop.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Asks her on a date. She says no. He then
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: decides that it is the appropriate way to respond by
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: pulling out a six-inch kitchen knife, chasing her into the shop,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: where he then stabs her ten times. So he then
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: comes to court, as you would imagine he would be
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: after he has been charged. And what does the judge
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: say to him? Well, just listen to this. The judge
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: says in his sentencing, you are a bright lad. I'm
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: going to impose a curfew. This is Judge Ian Laurie Casey.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: My own view is that custody is the last place
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: you should be. What I'm trying to do is find
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: a sentence that's best constructed to help you and give
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: you support. Now, keep in mind... So, as I said,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: this is a kid who has stabbed a girl 10 times,
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: 14 years old, because she wouldn't go on a date
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: with him, number one. Number two, when he was arrested,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: he was put in the clink for a little bit.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: The same judge later released him on bail. Now, he
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: was meant to go home to be fitted with an
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: ankle monitor and he would then be put under a
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: curfew between 6pm and 7am. What happens when he gets
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: released on bail? He doesn't come home until 1.30am. So
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: they couldn't put the ankle monitor on him until the
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: next day. So he's already kind of proven that he's
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: not really up with the game and the rules. The
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: kind of kid who would stab a girl ten times
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: because she refused to go on a date with him
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: is not someone, I believe... who you go, oh, well,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: you know, you're a bright young lad. You don't need
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: to go to jail. I'm sorry. How would you feel
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: if you were the girl's family? What about what's right
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: for them, not what's right for the kid who stabbed
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: your daughter?
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: This judge, you know, you've referred to the fact that
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: he's released on bail but he doesn't get home till
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: 1.30am to be fitted with the tag. Of that, the
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: judge said, well, we're dealing with a 14-year-old boy. They
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: tend to be a little bit temperamental.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Temperamental?
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: This kid stabbed the girl ten times, including to the face.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: The judge went on to say that the kid has
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: autism and then commented, he has a number of challenges,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: but not of a nature that means I take the
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: view that he's a danger.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: He's just waited for, and with a knife, this girl,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: stabbed her ten times. It was premeditated. How can the
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: judge conclude, you know what, he's got some challenges, but
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: he's a bit temperamental? well, have you met teenage boys?
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: And he's no danger.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: And also a six-inch kitchen knife at that. This wasn't
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: just your average little small pocket knife. This was a
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: six-inch kitchen knife. And if you're saying temperamental, OK, a
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: temperamental teenager to me is... a teenager going through puberty,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: going through a lot.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: Of life changes.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: They didn't clean their bedroom.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: Didn't clean his bedroom.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Chatted back to mum and dad on occasion, didn't eat
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: his dinner. That to me is temperamental. Temperamental is not
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: a kid who stabs a girl ten times with a
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: kitchen knife.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Because she rejected his advances.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Look, we clearly have a problem when it comes to
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: youth crime across the world.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: There's parts of it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: But what really bothers me is this constant ruling in
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: favour of these juveniles, and a lot of it has
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: to do with this Dolly Incapax argument that a child
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: is incapable of evil. Do not tell me that this
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: kid didn't know what he was doing. In the end,
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: he pleaded guilty to all offences. So he knew exactly...
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: what he was doing, but the more these magistrates and
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: judges give them a slap on the wrist, say to them,
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: you know what, no, ruling in favour of you, you're
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: a young lad, you've got your life ahead of you,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: don't worry, the cycle of crime continues because the kid
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: is not rehabilitated, clearly has not learned his lesson, and
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: thinks that it is OK. And that's the example it sets,
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: and no wonder why crime is spiralling out of control.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: And what sort of message does it send about domestic
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: violence as well?
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: Good point.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: You know, we talk about, OK, young men should grow
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: up to be respectful men, and now you've got a
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: judge saying, oh, well, you know, a young man stabs
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: a girl ten times because she refused to go on
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: a date with him... But we've got to look after
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: your interests in the future. I'm sorry. It is just
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: there is no argument for it whatsoever.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: No, no, look, I agree.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: Look, speaking of bizarre decisions, a Congolese serial rapist who
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: committed the most horrific offences against his own 13-year-old daughter
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: has been permitted to remain in the country.
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: Why? because of his own wellbeing. This is quite extraordinary.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: So this man known as JKWL arrived in Australia in
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: 2008 at the age of 29.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: He settled into Brisbane.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: He began raising his two daughters alone, but had left
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: behind two other children from different relationships in Congo.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: The father then committed.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: A series of escalatory sexual offences against his eldest daughter
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: from late 2010 after she reached puberty.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: Maths homework. Sorry.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Yet for his crimes, JKWL was sentenced to eight years
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: in prison on three counts of rape and one count
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: of indecent treatment and had his refugee visa cancelled. However,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: he is being permitted to stay in the country. Now,
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: here's the thing. This all comes down to this administrative
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: review tribunal decision. So you might remember direction 99 as
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: part of the NZYQ decision where hundreds of rapists and
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: murderers were let back into the country. Labor was caught
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: on the hop and suddenly some of them have allegedly
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: gone on to repeat serious offensives. But since Direction 99,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: when the percentage overturned visa cancellation ballooned to almost 68%,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: the percentage of visa cancellations overturned by the tribunal eased
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: after Direction 110 came into effect. And as you can
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: see there, 54% of visa cancellations have been overturned so far,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: meaning the figure remains significantly higher than the 39% seen
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: under the Liberal government back in 2022 before this Direction
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: 99 was released. Now, can somebody please explain to me
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: why this gentleman's wellbeing is more important than the offences
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: he's committed against his own child and the potential risk
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: to the community and community safety?
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: We have learnt nothing from that NZYQ decision.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: So they're not sending him to Nauru because they're worried
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: his mental health will be... His own wellbeing.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Um... No, I can't explain it.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: No. Why can't they send him back to Congo?
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Who knows?
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: That would be the move.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't care where they go as long
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: as it's not here. I honestly couldn't give a stuff,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: you know. You raped your own daughter. You should be
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: put in a chaff bag and thrown out to sea.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: Seriously.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Go.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Go.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Go.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Go.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: I'm glad we're concerned about his mental health, but we
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: should be concerned about the Australian community where he's continuing
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: to reside. We're going to go to a break when
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: we come back. Anthony Albanese still ducking and weaving over
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: that $ 6 million golf club grant and a whole lot
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: of other great stories in the papers as well. We'll
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: bring all of those to you after this. Welcome back
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: to the program. A bit of breaking news before we
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: get to the papers. At least 30 people have been
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: killed in a high-speed train collision in Spain. The accident
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: happened near the city of Toledo, south of Madrid, when
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: one train ran into the back of another. Several carriages
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: plunged down the side of an embankment. There were 397
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: passengers on one train, 147 on the other. So the
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: number of fatalities is expected to rise, local officials are saying.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: It's not known what caused the collision. The train started
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: their journeys in Madrid and their destination was Seville. There'll
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: be an update on that tonight in late edition that
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: will air at midnight. So we'll have more for you then.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: But I would expect many more fatalities if there's 30
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: already with that number of people on the train. Just
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: looking at those images, Danika.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: And look, a full investigation will take place because something
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: like this doesn't ordinarily happen when you've got two high
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: speed trains. But this is absolutely horrific and you would
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: expect more fatalities to come.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: But just terrible scenes. I mean, look at that carnage.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: It's so widespread.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Shocking scenes.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: As I said, an update when we get to news
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: later in the program. Sorry, later after our program. Let's
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: go to the papers. The Daily Telegraph has Anthony Albanese
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: in more trouble. Come clean, reads the headline. Anthony Albanese's
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: golf course sewage bungle has gotten murkier after Senior Cabinet
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Minister Catherine King was accused of misleading the Parliament and
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: faced demands to apologise. Mr Albanese refused to come clean
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: on when he was informed sewage works were not part
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: of the $ 6 million cash injection to the clubhouse at
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Marrickville Golf Club. Angus Taylor has labelled the PM... a
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: serial liar, which is a good smear, but certainly not
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: an original one. I think most of the public have
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: figured that out by now. But this thing is not
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: going away.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: The guy can't lie straight in bed. Seriously. I mean,
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: this is just another....
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Where the Prime Minister cannot give us a straight answer,
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: a straight yes or no, just be upfront. The reality
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: is this is going to keep dogging him. This is
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: not going to go away. And now you've got Minister King,
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: who's made an absolute fool of herself as well. Nobody
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: in that Labor Party knows whether they're coming or going.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: But this is a problem. And I think that Australian
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: taxpayers deserve answers.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: I kind of feel sorry for Catherine King in some
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: way because she has... the choice of either throwing the
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Prime Minister under the bus or trying to protect him. Now,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: she's tried to protect him, and I understand why she's
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: done that, because it would have caused a great deal
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: of grief if she'd decided to throw him under the bus.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: But this is a problem of the Prime Minister's making.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: once again, why can't he just admit he was wrong?
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: It would just fix so many things so much quicker.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: It's like, do you remember Happy Days and the Fonz
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: who could never say sorry? Do you remember those scenes?
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: He'd stumble and stammer. He just could not get the
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: words out.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: Well, this is a guy who, remember, told us that
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: he didn't fall off the stage.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, which we all saw with our own eyes,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: which was the problem.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: It's not Happy Days for the PM.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Certainly not. All right, the other story on the front
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: page of tomorrow's Telegraph, which is an interesting one, that's
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: just garbage, reads the headline. Businesses face fines of half
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: a million dollars for putting the wrong rubbish in their
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: bins under state government regulations as Environment Minister Penny Sharp
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: battles another backlash over needless red tape. Fresh from the
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: controversy over reusable coffee cups, Ms Sharp is facing demands
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: to overhaul hardline food waste rules threatening... Businesses half a
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: million bucks if you I think this relates to food
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: scraps being put into the wrong bin You wouldn't want
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: to make a mistake.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Would you see? As if life isn't hard enough as
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: it is exactly without being threatened with 500k because you
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: put the wrong thing in the wrong bin.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: More people in charge who've never run a business.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: In their life fantastic.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: What color is the food scrap bin? Do we know?
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: There's so many bloody I know these days. I know
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: because we how many bins do you have? I?
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: I've got three, but is it Victoria that's got four?
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: There's someone that's got four now.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some... I'm trying to think, what have we got?
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: There's a purple bin somewhere. We don't have a purple bin. Yeah, yeah.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Because we've got... I'm in the Inner West Council in Sydney.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: There's the red bin, which is rubbish bin. Then there's
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: the green bin, which we all know what the green
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: bin is. Then there's the yellow bin, which is recycling bin.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: And then there's the blue bin, which is paper and cardboard.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Do you have a blue bin?
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So there's two different recycling bins. So the plastic
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: stuff goes in the. a yellow bin, and then all
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: the other gear, the cardboard boxes and stuff, goes in
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: the blue bin. But I do know they were also
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: trialling a separate food scraps bin in the inner west. Now,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: we don't have one of them, but that becomes five bins.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: You sort out your bins on the eighth day of
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: the week.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: That's right. I think there's some places also have another
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: separate one for the glass.
• 42:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God, what is going on? Anyway, over on
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: the front of the Australian... It says seven bins to
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: become normal. No, no, that's not what it says. It
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: says charade of savings as prices rise. Jim Chalmers is
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: refusing to commit to spending less than he saves. What
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: a novel idea. In his mid-year budget update next month,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: despite inflation rising above expectations and the intensifying chances of
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: a fifth interest rate hike this year, On Melbourne Cup Day,
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: as Anthony Albanese staunchly defended his treasurer in question time
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: and pleaded for people to turn the temperature down on
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: the nation's economic debate. Come on, seriously? RBA Governor Michelle
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Bullock told Senate estimates government expenditure was contributing to Australia's
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: inflation problem. No, you can't believe it. Headline inflation hit 4.3%
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: in September 2018. above expectations and driven by housing and transport,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: while the RBA's preferred measure of core inflation rose to 3.6%,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: well outside the bank's target range of 2% to 3%.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: I don't... How many more warnings does this Treasurer need?
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: You know, business leaders warning him about spending, economists warning
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: him about spending, the RBA warning him about spending.
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: Does Jim listen to anybody? Seriously.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Dim Jim.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: Dim Jim.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: The other interesting part of that article is Woolies saying
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: that they are selling more mince meat than they've sold
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: in a long time because people can't afford lamb chops
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: or steaks.
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. They're always bloody running out at my
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: local Woolies.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: You can't get any mince?
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: Some days I can't get the mince I want.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I like the extra lean 5%. Right. And some
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: days they're sold out.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, well, people going, you're eating too much mince.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: There you go.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Got to calm down on the mince, Danika. Okay.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's my cue, isn't it? Okay, sorry.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: You've got the Herald Sun, Danika.
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: I got all excited by this mince chat.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: She's too busy thinking about what she's going to cook
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: with her mince.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: I'm thinking about my mince bowl.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Do you want to tell the viewers what you do
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: with your mince?
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, go on.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: What do you mean?
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Well, what do you put on it?
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: Oh, sometimes a bit of taco seasoning.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Anything more?
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: No, that's it. Right.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Sometimes a bit of taco seasoning.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: So you're just eating plain mince the rest of the time?
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I like plain mints. Oh, Caleb. Okay.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: I'm just, honestly, once again, I'm the dunce of this panel. Now,
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: let's take a look at the Herald Sun. Hamas-Oz legal fight. Hamas,
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: the Palestinian Islamist group responsible for the October 7 massacre
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: in Israel, has launched a fresh court bid to scrap
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: its terror listing in Australia. Federal court documents obtained by
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: the Herald Sun show the terror group is asking the
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: court to throw out a March 2022 decision by the
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: then-Morrison government to list the entirety of Hamas as a
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: terror organisation. Good luck, you know, all the very best
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: with your endeavours.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine, like, picking up the phone at your
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: law firm and it's.
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: Hamas police saying.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: I'm down in the bunker in, you know, somewhere.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Seriously. Yeah. All right. Let's quickly look at the Canberra Times.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Rolled gold exits, reads the headline, while thousands of frontline
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: public servants were offered modest redundancy packages or asked to
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: do more with less. A select group of the Commonwealth's
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: highest paid executives quietly walked away with golden handshakes worth...
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of dollars. A Canberra Times analysis finds
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: that among those to receive significant exit packages was former
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Agricultural Department Secretary Adam Finesse, who received $ 899, 620 in termination benefits.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: That's astonishing. But Caleb, when I looked at this, I
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: went away and this story was first reported on October 2025.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure why the Canberra Times have put it
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: on the front page all of a sudden.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Well, it is Canberra. I mean, you know, things operate
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: a bit slowly over there. Clearly.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Evidently. There you go. All right, we're going to go
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: to a break. When we come back, a couple posing
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: for a photo strike a Spider-Man pose. It doesn't go
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: so well. We'll show you that after this. Welcome back.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Danika loves posing for photos. What about you, Caleb? You
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: like posing for photos?
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, look, I mean, if you go and look at
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: our Instagram, you'll get an idea of what posing for
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: a photo with Danika is like. It's currently on my
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Instagram story if you want to go and see the
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: reality of what goes on behind the scenes. But there's
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: this thing at the moment called High Rocks. You heard
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: of High Rocks? Yeah. You done it, Danika?
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  Speaker 2: No.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't got the fitness level for that.
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  Speaker 3: Wouldn't catch me. I don't know. It's some crazy thing
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: all these fitness people are now doing. I don't really
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: know what it's all about. But apparently it drives people
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: so crazy when they do it that they then want
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: to do Spider-Man poses and all sorts of stuff. Anyway,
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: here's a couple in Florida who decided to celebrate their
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: successful day at High Rocks until her boyfriend knocks her over.
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  Speaker 8: Let's go!
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  Speaker 3: Clearly he's tried to launch over her. She stood up
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  Speaker 3: a little too early and, well, maybe if his rocks
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: had been higher, they wouldn't have hit her in the head.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know what to say to that.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: He was lucky to walk away after that. That's just.
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. How do you two feel about that?
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: I winced when I watched that.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought so. Yeah. Yeah, okay.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: That would have hurt.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: Okay. Yeah. Clearly, clearly. Okay, now, this is a big one, guys.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: The sexiest man alive has been crowned for the year.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Caleb Bond.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, naturally.
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  Speaker 5: You would say that, wouldn't you? You would self-identify as
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: a sexy man.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: I don't have to self-identify. I just know I am.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: The vanity is incredible on this show.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: Now, it has gone to Noah Wiley from The Pit.
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  Speaker 3: What?
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: Do we know who that is?
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: He is People Magazine's sexiest man alive this year.
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: We'll just bring up some photos. Here he is. This
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: is the guy. What do you reckon?
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: According to what criteria?
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: I guess the people magazine maybe get people to vote in.
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: I don't know, but this is it.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Is he your sort, Danica?
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: Look, he's probably a bit too old for me.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Right, so you wouldn't call him the sexiest man alive.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: I don't think he's the sexiest man alive. However, I
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: think he's quite handsome, yeah.
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah. What were you two thinking? Oh, no, you're just jealous, Caleb,
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: because you obviously think that.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Just quickly, who would you have nominated?
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Oh....
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Caleb Bond.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Caleb Bond.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Gee, how much do I need to prompt you?
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: We'll try again next year.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: All right, quickly before we go, it's Halloween and National
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Pumpkin Day this week. So, Calgary Zoo, you know, because
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: they decided to give their polar bears pumpkins because you do.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Have a look.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: MUSIC PLAYS Thank you.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: The pumpkin was fully resuscitated. All was well. That's it
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: from us. Stick around. Coming up is the Rita Pennehy show.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Good night.