Latest / Bird Dogs and Big Game / (Ep.60) If an accident happens in the field are you ready to take care of your dog?

Transcript

(Ep.60) If an accident happens in the field are you ready to take care of your dog? · Bird Dogs and Big Game

• 0:19
  Hey everyone.
• 0:20
  Welcome to the Bird Dog Podcast.
• 0:21
  My name is Tyce Erickson.
• 0:23
  Thank you for listening in today.
• 0:25
  In this podcast, I sit down with Dr.
• 0:27
  Claire Maples and talk about her business Paradigm Sporting Dog.
• 0:31
  Uh, you can go ahead and check her website out online, but she basically had a paradigm, paradigm shift where she had a dog encounter some issues in the field, and she didn't have all the first aid equipment that she felt would be essential or needed to help her dog in the field.
• 0:50
  And so she put together these first aid kits.
• 0:52
  Being a veterinarian herself, she put together these first aid kits.
• 0:56
  Um, they have-- She has an in-field kit and then a kit back at the truck that you can, um, work with your dog when it comes to first aid stuff and situations.
• 1:06
  So, uh, none of us ever want anything to happen to our animals or our athletes when they're in the field.
• 1:12
  But if you hunt outside long enough, you're actually gonna encounter, I guarantee you're gonna encounter something.
• 1:18
  Just the other day, I was running bears with a buddy, and his hounds got into porcupines, and not only once did they get into porcupines, but they got into porcupines twice that day.
• 1:28
  And the same hound got two mouthfuls of different porcupines.
• 1:32
  You'd think they'd learn their lesson, but they didn't.
• 1:35
  Uh, we did luckily have some needle nose pliers, but she has a kit that has those things in there that we could deal with porcupines.
• 1:44
  And one of the owners of the houndsmen, he didn't have a muzzle for his dog, and in one of her kits there is a muzzle, and the dog actually bit the owner's hand as we were removing quills out of the dog's face because the dog just didn't know what was going on, right?
• 1:57
  Went into freak out mode and, um, and things like that can happen when a dog is in pain or in stress and doesn't know what is going on.
• 2:05
  So I hope you enjoy this podcast when we talk about first aid with your dog.
• 2:10
  We get into a little bit of, uh, Claire's background about, um, uh, her dogs and where they came from.
• 2:18
  And, um, it was just a fun podcast sitting down and hope it'll be beneficial for you guys as you listen to this.
• 2:24
  And, you know, a great idea if you have a buddy that has a hunting dog, and, you know, these dogs cost a lot of money when it comes to training and food and equipment and all those things.
• 2:34
  And if you get a benefit from your buddy's hunting dog, there's a good chance he may not have a first aid kit for his dog.
• 2:42
  So I would recommend getting one of these kits and giving them to your buddy for a gift.
• 2:48
  And I bet he'll think, one, that is awesome, and two, he'll probably take you more and let you hunt more around his dog.
• 2:53
  So, uh, anyways, just a thought if that's something that you're interested in or want to give back a little bit to a friend with a dog.
• 3:02
  So in the meantime, go ahead and give us a follow on Utah Bird Dog Training on Instagram, The Bird Dog Podcast, um, Field Bred Golden Retrievers.
• 3:12
  Those are kind of our main places you can follow us, and we're posting stuff there on social media.
• 3:17
  So if you want to follow us along, kind of see what we're up to, uh, that would be awesome.
• 3:22
  If you have any, um, ideas about podcasts you'd like us to interview for, uh, go ahead and send us an email to thebirddogpodcast@gmail.com, and we'll get-- and we'll answer those as quickly as possible.
• 3:38
  Um, and in the meantime, if you're needing any dog products or anything like that, if you go through the link in the show notes, that helps us out.
• 3:46
  So really appreciate that.
• 3:48
  These, these podcasts, getting people on here takes time, money, all the equipment to make this happen.
• 3:53
  Um, so hope these are beneficial to you guys.
• 3:56
  Again, thanks for listening.
• 3:57
  Have a great day.
• 3:58
  Uh, scratch your dog on the, the head for us.
• 4:01
  We, we love these amazing animals, and enjoy the show.
• 4:06
  Tyce: All right, folks.
• 4:07
  Tyce: Welcome to the Bird Dog Podcast.
• 4:09
  Tyce: I'm excited for this podcast.
• 4:11
  Tyce: Uh, today we have Dr.
• 4:12
  Tyce: Claire Maples, from Oklahoma,
• 4:15
  Clair: Cen-
• 4:15
  Tyce: Doctor?
• 4:16
  Clair: Central Oklahoma.
• 4:17
  Tyce: So I'm here in Utah, so we're across the country here talking, but technology, um, is pretty awesome that we can do, we can do these things.
• 4:25
  Tyce: So, um, Claire, thanks so much for coming on the podcast today.
• 4:29
  Tyce: Really appreciate your time, and I know you're busy.
• 4:33
  Clair: Yeah, thanks for the invite.
• 4:34
  Clair: It's always fun to chat with people, especially, um, across the way, as you say.
• 4:39
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 4:39
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 4:39
  Tyce: Well, and, and, uh, I, you know, we were off, off air we were talking about you.
• 4:45
  Tyce: You have some Shorthairs.
• 4:46
  Tyce: Um, I've been training dogs for now 20 years professionally.
• 4:49
  Tyce: We train Pointers, Retrievers, so I, I love talking dogs.
• 4:53
  Tyce: And, um, we're...
• 4:55
  Tyce: In this podcast, we're gonna talk a lot about, um, uh, first aid kits and, and, um, Claire has a business called the, uh, Paradigm Sporting Dog, and she makes field first aid kits and a truck first aid kit, and we're gonna get into all that, um, here in a little bit.
• 5:12
  Tyce: But in the beginning, um, give me your background.
• 5:16
  Tyce: Tell me, tell me about you.
• 5:17
  Tyce: What, how did, have you, do you grow up, did you grow up in a hunting family?
• 5:21
  Tyce: Is this, um...
• 5:23
  Tyce: Tell me, tell me about your background when it comes to hunting and dogs maybe.
• 5:27
  Clair: So we can kind of start, like, in the beginning, I guess childhood.
• 5:30
  Clair: I wouldn't say that I grew up in, like, a really big hunting family, um, but my dad would usually harvest a deer or two.
• 5:38
  Clair: Um, I grew up out in the country and so once I got older and, like, um, in college and learned that, oh, people actually, like, travel to go hunt things because we'd always had the luxury,
• 5:50
  Tyce: Uh-huh
• 5:50
  Clair: to go harvest a deer on the place or something.
• 5:54
  Clair: Um, and my dad also, for whatever reason, he was really big on, uh, black mouth cur dogs.
• 6:00
  Clair: And so we always had some kind of, like, cur dog, um, and
• 6:06
  Tyce: with them?
• 6:06
  Tyce: Anything in
• 6:07
  Clair: w- coons and squirrels.
• 6:09
  Tyce: Okay
• 6:10
  Clair: Nothing like, no, like, sports or anything.
• 6:13
  Clair: It would just be, like, a reason that we would get to stay up past bedtime is because Daddy was gonna take the coon dog and see if we could go tree a coon, you know, at night kind of thing.
• 6:21
  Clair: And then,
• 6:21
  Tyce: Oh, okay
• 6:22
  Clair: when w- uh, my, I have a twin brother and we eventually...
• 6:28
  Clair: He was gifted a.22 before me.
• 6:31
  Clair: Um, but eventually once we both had our own.22s, I still have it, a little lever action Henry.
• 6:37
  Clair: Um, and so then, like, we would try to pop some squirrels sometimes, um, with the dogs.
• 6:43
  Clair: But,
• 6:43
  Tyce: Ja
• 6:44
  Clair: um, that's been, that was my exposure to hunting.
• 6:46
  Clair: And then, um, later in college
• 6:49
  Tyce: hunting.
• 6:49
  Tyce: Let me, I'm gonna...
• 6:50
  Tyce: Can I chime in real quick?
• 6:52
  Clair: Ja.
• 6:52
  Tyce: I've never been squirrel hunting.
• 6:53
  Tyce: Do the, does your dog retrieve them or do they eat, do they tend to, do they retrieve them, TF, you shoot them out of the tree or do you remember?
• 7:02
  Clair: well, my current dogs will retrieve a squirrel to me.
• 7:06
  Clair: I cannot honestly remember, um,
• 7:09
  Tyce: What the
• 7:10
  Clair: I don't, I don't...
• 7:11
  Clair: Yeah, I mean, usually the squirrel's expired, and then, uh, the dog, you're like right there to grab it.
• 7:18
  Clair: I don't recall the dogs retrieving.
• 7:21
  Clair: But, like, your German dogs, your fur dogs, like rotts and, um, they'll retrieve fur.
• 7:26
  Clair: So my dogs,
• 7:28
  Tyce: re- my retrievers would probably retrieve them.
• 7:31
  Clair: yeah, I'm kinda telling on myself, but I've had a few, like, uh, nuisance squirrels in my yard that have, um, been introduced to a 410, and my, my, uh, shorthairs have retrieved them to me.
• 7:46
  Tyce: Oh,
• 7:46
  Clair: sometimes they, um, just get them on their own, and I'm met with a dog and a squirrel at the back door sometimes as a surprise.
• 7:52
  Clair: But yeah,
• 7:54
  Tyce: gray
• 7:54
  Clair: do have plenty of fur drive.
• 7:56
  Tyce: or what are they?
• 7:58
  Clair: Um, is it red squirrels, I think?
• 8:00
  Tyce: I think there's a
• 8:01
  Clair: not...
• 8:01
  Tyce: I
• 8:02
  Clair: Yes,
• 8:03
  Tyce: we
• 8:03
  Clair: red squirrels, yeah
• 8:04
  Tyce: sure what you guys have out there, but
• 8:06
  Clair: No, red squirrels, yes.
• 8:07
  Clair: Um, I do remember my mom refused to cook any of that stuff when we were little, uh, my dad.
• 8:13
  Clair: So it was usually gross.
• 8:15
  Clair: Like, it was pretty much just, like, boiled squirrel.
• 8:19
  Clair: She would not touch it.
• 8:21
  Clair: She would mess with the deer,
• 8:23
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 8:24
  Clair: but none of that stuff.
• 8:25
  Clair: So, um, but anyway, that was kind of my, like...
• 8:28
  Tyce: either.
• 8:29
  Tyce: Yeah
• 8:29
  Clair: It's, I, I think you have to cook it right.
• 8:32
  Clair: Um, I'm sure it's good, but
• 8:35
  Tyce: funny story is my son, you know, trying to be a, a dad, I think he was like 12 and we were up in Idaho, and he shot this gray squirrel with a BB gun.
• 8:43
  Tyce: And, and I've never even heard of people eating squirrel out here.
• 8:46
  Tyce: I know it's a thing back there.
• 8:47
  Tyce: But I was, you
• 8:48
  Clair: हम्म हम्म
• 8:49
  Tyce: a good dad.
• 8:49
  Tyce: I'm like,"Hey, if you shoot it, let's not let this thing go to waste," you know?
• 8:51
  Tyce: 'Cause he's like,"Dad, can I shoot that squirrel?" And I'm like,
• 8:54
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 8:54
  Tyce: to shoot it just to shoot it.
• 8:55
  Tyce: It wasn't hurting anyone or anything." And so he shot it, and we-- I helped him clean it, and, uh, we actually cooked it up, and our cousins were there.
• 9:03
  Tyce: And I mean, it was like teeny pieces, but it actually tasted pretty good.
• 9:08
  Tyce: It kinda tasted nutty, I guess you could say.
• 9:11
  Tyce: And,
• 9:12
  Clair: All right.
• 9:12
  Tyce: uh, I was, I was pleasant s- pleasantly surprised, but that was the only squirrel I've ever eaten, so...
• 9:18
  Tyce: But
• 9:19
  Clair: not had squirrel in a while.
• 9:20
  Clair: Um, but that was...
• 9:21
  Clair: Everyone's always surprised to learn that.
• 9:24
  Clair: Um, so, but hounds, hound dogs were, like, my first exposure to hunting dogs.
• 9:29
  Clair: And then, like, later, later in college, um, I, in vet school I was introduced, um, to bird dogs, um, mostly pointers, English pointers, and, um, a few short-hairs, but they were absolute crackheads.
• 9:44
  Clair: Like, they...
• 9:45
  Clair: It's like they snorted cocaine in the morning.
• 9:47
  Clair: You could not let them out, um, without a collar or they would be gone for days.
• 9:52
  Tyce: When you say
• 9:53
  Clair: they were
• 9:54
  Tyce: were, whose dogs were these?
• 9:56
  Clair: Um, some extended family,
• 9:59
  Tyce: Oh, okay.
• 10:00
  Clair: like reconnected with.
• 10:01
  Tyce: sounds like
• 10:02
  Clair: Just meet dogs.
• 10:03
  Clair: Yeah, just meet dogs, which I always say everybody gets to enjoy their dogs however they want.
• 10:07
  Clair: So if you don't want a formal retrieve or you, you don't want them like broke rope, who cares?
• 10:12
  Clair: But,
• 10:12
  Tyce: Sure
• 10:13
  Clair: all I knew.
• 10:14
  Clair: Uh, but at one point, um, I was introduced to NAVHDA, the North, North American Versatile Hunting Dog Association, and, um, this breeder who, um, where I learned about NAVHDA, he had like all these little NAVHDA plaques on, um, his wall, his like quilting room wall.
• 10:36
  Clair: I was like,"Wow, that's kind of cool.
• 10:37
  Clair: Like I would like to have a dog that can get plaques." And then ended up graduating, lots of life and changes and, um, settled into living in, uh, central Oklahoma where I live now.
• 10:49
  Clair: And, um, I just had a really old border collie that I'd had like since high school at the time.
• 10:54
  Clair: That was my only dog at the moment.
• 10:56
  Clair: Um, and I knew that my next dog, I wanted it to be a GSP.
• 11:00
  Clair: Um, and, uh, at work at the clinic one day, a litter of puppies came through, short hairs that needed their tails and dewclaws done.
• 11:09
  Clair: And I remember holding up this little fat roan and black, uh, short hair puppy, and she was very flashy, very pretty.
• 11:15
  Clair: Like usually, um, if you know anything about short hairs, um, not necessarily for the right reasons, but a lot of those, a lot of short hairs get picked off their coloring, um,
• 11:24
  Tyce: Mm-hmm
• 11:24
  Clair: right or wrong.
• 11:25
  Clair: And, but I was like,"Oh, she's pretty." Um, but she spoke for...
• 11:29
  Clair: And the rest of the litter was solid black with like white feet.
• 11:31
  Clair: Um, the parents were both either black roan and then black.
• 11:34
  Clair: And as you know, like black is dominant in short hair, so that's how we ended up with like solids.
• 11:39
  Clair: Um, but the girl was like,"No, she doesn't have a home yet." And so I was like,"Oh."
• 11:44
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 11:44
  Clair: have a home yet.
• 11:46
  Clair: And
• 11:46
  Tyce: I
• 11:46
  Clair: the time I was living
• 11:48
  Tyce: home for
• 11:49
  Clair: yeah, and I was living in an apartment with my old dog'cause I had just, um, uh, started living in the area.
• 11:56
  Clair: And, um, I was like,"Mm..." I didn't wanna...
• 12:00
  Clair: I'm not like a impulser, like terribly.
• 12:00
  Clair: I, I recognize that I will be a impulse decision-maker, and I will stop myself, so I stopped myself, and I was like,"Can you just not promise her to anybody for like a week?
• 12:10
  Clair: Let me like, let me chew on this." Um, and I mean, I don't even know why.
• 12:16
  Clair: I think I do that to make myself feel better, to feel like I thought about it, when in reality I'm not really thinking about it.
• 12:20
  Clair: I've already made up my decision.
• 12:21
  Clair: But
• 12:22
  Tyce: your decision.
• 12:23
  Clair: yeah.
• 12:24
  Clair: Um, and so that was my f- like my first official short hair, um, that I got to train.
• 12:31
  Clair: Her name's Sally, and I sh- just, I mean, backyard bred short hair.
• 12:36
  Clair: Um, nothing super fancy pedigree.
• 12:39
  Clair: But I took that dog through the NAVHDA testing system and put a VC on her, um, back in 2023.
• 12:48
  Clair: Yeah, she was three when she VC'd.
• 12:51
  Clair: So, um, and that's kinda how I got started into like training my own dogs.
• 12:57
  Clair: And since then, I call it the every two-year plan.
• 13:00
  Clair: Um, I have gotten a puppy every two years.
• 13:02
  Tyce: Oh, cool.
• 13:03
  Clair: so yeah.
• 13:05
  Clair: Big into NAVHDA.
• 13:06
  Clair: Recently started, uh, playing in field trials, um, and like the Master Hunter test.
• 13:11
  Clair: I just, I like all the bird dog games, and,
• 13:14
  Tyce: Mm-hmm
• 13:15
  Clair: you can't not prepare for these things.
• 13:17
  Clair: People are like,"Oh my God, Claire, you're so busy.
• 13:19
  Clair: Like, why do you do all that stuff?" Um, but it's because if I didn't force myself to do something that required like prep and training that you have to carve out time for,
• 13:30
  Tyce: Oh,
• 13:31
  Clair: then I probably wouldn't.
• 13:33
  Clair: Like I, I enjoy working.
• 13:34
  Clair: I like building my businesses and stuff, but I probably wouldn't stop and slow down and do something fun for myself.
• 13:39
  Clair: So there's no way my dog can become a Versatile champion without you blocking out time to go train and stuff.
• 13:45
  Clair: And so it kinda forces me to like stop, um, and go do that, um, and plan out when we're gonna train.
• 13:53
  Clair: So that's why
• 13:54
  Tyce: that,
• 13:55
  Clair: doing it.
• 13:55
  Tyce: repetition.
• 13:56
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 13:57
  Clair: Yeah.
• 13:57
  Clair: Well, I mean
• 13:58
  Tyce: how did you learn to train, or who taught you, or did you self- self-taught or read some books or videos or work with s- a pro or what do you do there?
• 14:07
  Clair: A lot of it was through NAVHDA.
• 14:09
  Clair: Um, I, I have some...
• 14:11
  Clair: I made some really good friends, and honestly, like, all of my training friends, most of them are through NAVHDA.
• 14:17
  Clair: Um, I know everybody has...
• 14:19
  Clair: Like, there's pros and cons of all the venues, right?
• 14:21
  Clair: But I'm definitely, like, a NAVHDA girl at heart.
• 14:24
  Clair: Um, one of my friends that I actually got two of my, my younger dogs from, my, like, nice dogs, um, from Michael Maxwell, and he has Prairie Valley Gun Dogs.
• 14:35
  Clair: Um, and they're actually, um, co-breeding my nice female, um, with me.
• 14:41
  Clair: So that's kinda...
• 14:43
  Clair: It's crazy how that evolved.
• 14:44
  Clair: They're really good clients of mine as well, vet clients,
• 14:46
  Tyce: Yeah
• 14:47
  Clair: and friends.
• 14:48
  Clair: Um, so really just a lot of, like, I guess, kind of mentorship from, um, other people, and then also just putting in the miles.
• 14:57
  Clair: I have a friend in Texas, um, he's a former Green Beret, but he jokingly has this phrase, and he says, um,"You ain't versatile if you ain't putting in miles." And, like, that's how you get titles on a versatile dog.
• 15:12
  Clair: Like, you have to drive.
• 15:14
  Clair: Um, I can remember packing a sandwich to eat for dinner because I would leave the clinic after working all day with...
• 15:22
  Clair: I'd have my dogs with me, but I would leave, drive an hour to go to water to do a blind, training for the invitational.
• 15:30
  Clair: Like, a blind is all you'd have time to do, and then it was gonna be dark, and then driving home, and will also help...
• 15:35
  Clair: like, helping everyone else do their blinds, driving home, and it's, like, 9:00 or 10:00, and then getting up at, like, 5:00 AM or 4:00 AM to go train field.
• 15:44
  Clair: Like,
• 15:44
  Tyce: yeah.
• 15:45
  Clair: you better, you better work.
• 15:47
  Clair: Um, and I'm the, I'm the last person to complain to when people are like,"Well, yeah, I just don't have time to title my dogs." And so, um, yeah, we just let them think that, um, their life's more difficult than someone else's.
• 16:00
  Clair: But if you want it, if you want it, you can do it, for sure.
• 16:04
  Clair: You'll, you'll figure it out.
• 16:05
  Clair: Yeah.
• 16:06
  Tyce: Yeah,
• 16:06
  Clair: I have done...
• 16:07
  Clair: I have been responding to emails and text messages doing callbacks before.
• 16:11
  Clair: Like, you'll figure it out.
• 16:13
  Tyce: Yeah, you're sitting in your car, yeah, waiting on
• 16:15
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 16:17
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 16:18
  Tyce: It's, it is amazing when you see those dogs at hunt tests.
• 16:20
  Tyce: You know, I, I think back,'cause I, I know how long it takes to get dogs to those, know, the starting levels to even the beginning levels, like a junior hunter or whatever.
• 16:30
  Tyce: That, that still can take time.
• 16:31
  Tyce: But when you, especially when you're pushing up those senior master level, dogs, I mean, thousands of hours those dogs, hundreds of hours, thousands, whatever it may be, you know.
• 16:41
  Tyce: But it
• 16:41
  Clair: हम्म, हम्म।
• 16:42
  Tyce: of, of time or money if you're paying someone.
• 16:45
  Tyce: And, and even if, you know, you're running a retriever master hunt test or whatever master it is, I mean, there's a lot of dogs.
• 16:53
  Tyce: Some dogs don't pass, but, um, still really nice dogs even if they don't
• 16:58
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 16:58
  Tyce: of
• 16:59
  Clair: It's only a reflection of...
• 17:00
  Clair: yeah I was gonna say, it's just, I tell people that are, like, handling for the first time, it's only a reflection of your dog for that day, for that specific day.
• 17:10
  Clair: Like, it, it's not, um, indicative of what your dog is like all the time.
• 17:15
  Clair: So some dogs just have rough days, the wheels come off,
• 17:18
  Tyce: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:22
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 17:22
  Tyce: You just try to get them prepared as, as much as you can, and then you just,
• 17:23
  Clair: Mhm.
• 17:24
  Tyce: go, go from there.
• 17:25
  Tyce: I'm gonna put my phone here on do not disturb.
• 17:27
  Tyce: I didn't realize it was on'cause I
• 17:29
  Clair: Well, I,
• 17:30
  Tyce: call
• 17:30
  Clair: I had mine on DND, but I have...
• 17:32
  Clair: My mother is set where she comes through no matter what, so of course, mother texting me.
• 17:37
  Tyce: That's all
• 17:38
  Clair: So my mind was pinging.
• 17:39
  Tyce: we c- we can take a pause, you know?
• 17:41
  Tyce: So,
• 17:42
  Clair: I'll have to tell her.
• 17:43
  Clair: She doesn't listen to podcasts.
• 17:44
  Clair: I'll be like,"You were interrupting the podcast, Mother.
• 17:47
  Clair: Ma."
• 17:48
  Tyce: like,"What's that?"
• 17:50
  Clair: It's literally a picture of a sign.
• 17:52
  Clair: Not important to you.
• 17:53
  Tyce: That's, on my office door
• 17:55
  Clair: Moms
• 17:56
  Tyce: just a piece of paper I put"don't, do not disturb" and'cause I might have my employees come in or something, some, I don't know.
• 18:02
  Clair: ja.
• 18:02
  Tyce: anyhow, um, cool.
• 18:04
  Tyce: So you have three...
• 18:06
  Tyce: You, I can't remember if we talked about this already.
• 18:08
  Tyce: Maybe, I think it was off air.
• 18:09
  Tyce: You have three dogs, getting a fourth one?
• 18:12
  Tyce: Is that,
• 18:12
  Clair: Yes.
• 18:13
  Clair: Hopefully there's one, one...
• 18:15
  Clair: Yep.
• 18:15
  Tyce: in
• 18:15
  Clair: Hopefully one is cooking right now, yeah, in the womb.
• 18:19
  Clair: Yeah
• 18:20
  Tyce: So you fell in love with Shorthairs because you s- you saw one, and then, I mean, they're amazing dogs.
• 18:24
  Tyce: I mean, when people ask me,"I want an upland dog, and I want just a good upland dog," and I, I tell them, honestly, I say,"A Shorthair is hard to beat," just because you know, I mean, the...
• 18:37
  Tyce: Even if you get them out of a private breeder that someone has just a pup, I mean, a lot of them have, most of them have prey drive, most of them will point.
• 18:46
  Tyce: Um, the biggest thing I recommend is if, if I were to buy a Shorthair is I would look at one that has a stronger retrieve desire.
• 18:54
  Tyce: Um, obviously trainability, but it seems like that's where the...
• 18:58
  Tyce: of them will point, most of them will hunt, but their retrieve is lacking in some.
• 19:02
  Tyce: So if you can genetically have bred in a good retrieve, if you force
• 19:06
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 19:06
  Tyce: or not, you're gonna have...
• 19:08
  Tyce: I like a dog that hunts, points, and retrieves.
• 19:11
  Tyce: And so, um,
• 19:12
  Clair: Mhm.
• 19:12
  Tyce: fetch some dogs that just do not love to retrieve, it's not very fun.
• 19:16
  Tyce: We try to bring the fun back into it, but that's kinda what I recommend with pointing dogs.
• 19:20
  Tyce: Try to get a good retrieving one or one that likes water if you're gonna hunt around sloughs a lot, the parents,
• 19:25
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 19:26
  Tyce: and hopefully that genetics will pass down.
• 19:28
  Tyce: So
• 19:29
  Clair: Yeah.
• 19:30
  Clair: I do think they are...
• 19:31
  Clair: I had a conversation with a guy interested in a, a pup from Cruz, my nice dog being bred, and she, um, that's kind of what we talked about is, like, they're just very versatile.
• 19:41
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 19:42
  Clair: so yeah
• 19:43
  Tyce: Um, what do you notice between...
• 19:46
  Tyce: You had your, your first dog was just kind of a private breeder, right?
• 19:49
  Tyce: Someone just had a litter, is how it sounds like.
• 19:52
  Clair: Yeah, it was an accidental litter.
• 19:54
  Tyce: Oh, okay.
• 19:55
  Tyce: Two shorthairs, though?
• 19:56
  Clair: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:58
  Tyce: Okay.
• 19:58
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 19:59
  Tyce: Okay.
• 20:00
  Tyce: So they, I've had some people say,"Yeah, we just wanted to see if they would do the
• 20:05
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 20:06
  Clair: Yeah, they did the thing.
• 20:08
  Tyce: it out."
• 20:08
  Clair: They did.
• 20:09
  Clair: Yeah.
• 20:10
  Clair: Yeah.
• 20:11
  Tyce: what did you notice?
• 20:12
  Tyce: Was there anything you noticed between your first dog and these higher-end shorthairs that, I mean, what were you looking for?
• 20:20
  Tyce: Trainability, retrieve?
• 20:21
  Tyce: I mean, everything probably, obviously, but just kind of that next level, what have you noticed?
• 20:26
  Tyce: Bigger running?
• 20:28
  Tyce: do you-
• 20:28
  Clair: Oh, well, I didn't really have any authority at the time, I feel like, to even know, like, what I was looking for.
• 20:34
  Clair: I actually...
• 20:35
  Clair: The way I ended up with my second dog,
• 20:37
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 20:38
  Clair: to back up for context, the, my, my exposure to, like, quail hunting and pheasant hunting had been, um, pen raised, planted birds.
• 20:47
  Clair: So once again, like, having access to property, like indefinitely and just being able to, um, make something happen like that.
• 20:55
  Tyce: Mm-hmm
• 20:56
  Clair: so the fact that it's like, oh, wait, like we c- like we can actually...
• 21:01
  Clair: There's public land.
• 21:02
  Clair: See, public land was like kind of an, an...
• 21:04
  Clair: I mean, it's like you knew there was public land, but not really grasping like how much and how good public land can be.
• 21:12
  Tyce: Yeah
• 21:13
  Clair: so, um, that's why I say like I don't know that I have much authority to have an opinion on like what I was looking for initially as a dog.
• 21:21
  Clair: Um, the way I ended up with her is Michael, my friend that I met through NAVHDA, had been helping me train Sally, and they had just bought some property.
• 21:31
  Clair: I practically live there.
• 21:32
  Clair: Most of the time I'm out there.
• 21:34
  Clair: I'm going out there later today to train dogs.
• 21:36
  Tyce: cool.
• 21:36
  Clair: and so, uh, they had just moved into their house, and their dog had just had puppies.
• 21:43
  Clair: Like it was, I mean, good timing, but not good timing, you know?
• 21:47
  Clair: We've got this dog with like two-day-old puppies, and they're trying to move and normally, um, the wife, Katie, is very good about, um, watching the puppies and, like, she stays home with them, um, after they're born and stuff.
• 21:59
  Clair: And so they didn't love the fact that like, they couldn't just sit there and have someone watching them at all times.
• 22:05
  Clair: And I had t-asked Michael, he is so nice and so supportive of like, training and goals that I have wanted to accomplish with my dogs and, um, I was like,"I know you're moving today.
• 22:17
  Clair: Like, can I lend you my truck?
• 22:19
  Clair: Can I...
• 22:19
  Clair: Like, what can I do?" And he was like,
• 22:21
  Tyce: What can I do to
• 22:21
  Clair: "Do you wanna just come and sit and watch these puppies?" I was like,"Bet." So I took my computer.
• 22:27
  Clair: I was like,"I mean, yeah, dude, I guess." Like, I didn't feel like it, it was being that, um, helpful.
• 22:32
  Clair: But I'm sitting there and I'm looking at this little liver, like future liver and roan, um, puppy,'cause you know, they're white at first and
• 22:40
  Tyce: Ja.
• 22:40
  Clair: I was like,"Oh my God, I, I really think I need another one." Like, I'm about to test my other dog, and then I could have two.
• 22:48
  Clair: I could hunt with two.
• 22:49
  Clair: I could have a brace of dogs to myself, you know,'cause at, at the time like any wild bird hunting trips, you just have your one dog and like, um, you've been on out-of-state hunts, like you'll plan it for like five days, but your dog is not gonna hunt every, every day.
• 23:02
  Clair: And so eventually you run out of dog power.
• 23:03
  Clair: And I was like,
• 23:04
  Tyce: dog, yeah.
• 23:05
  Clair: "Mm-hmm, that's why I'm gonna have four.
• 23:07
  Clair: I'll have two braces to myself." So,
• 23:09
  Tyce: Nice
• 23:10
  Clair: but anyway, I don't even know why he said yes looking back.
• 23:14
  Clair: I tease him about it all the time'cause I had also just bought my house.
• 23:18
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 23:19
  Clair: so I finally like own a small lot and have a really...
• 23:22
  Clair: I have like a half acre yard.
• 23:24
  Clair: Um, but I guess because I had been putting in the work and I was also dri- in Texas to train with some NAVHDA people.
• 23:31
  Clair: So, um, I was like,"I really want this puppy.
• 23:34
  Clair: I want magenta collar." Like, I'm weird.
• 23:37
  Clair: I'm superstitious now.
• 23:38
  Clair: I've picked out every dog I have when it was a potato, okay?
• 23:42
  Clair: So, and they've turned out to be awesome dogs.
• 23:45
  Clair: So now I'm superstitious, that that's the only way to pick out a dog.
• 23:50
  Clair: Um, but anyway, so that's how I ended up with her.
• 23:53
  Clair: But as far as, like, the differences, like she was my first, like I said, nice dog.
• 23:58
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 23:59
  Clair: and she had a natural retrieve.
• 24:01
  Clair: I've got videos of her carrying, um, toys, and dead birds, and bumpers around at, like, 10 weeks old.
• 24:07
  Tyce: Yeah, cool
• 24:08
  Clair: she, a very stylish, staunchy point.
• 24:12
  Clair: Like, um, she was steady, but then like, you know, you start hunting around older dogs that aren't so steady sometimes, and you'll lose some of that.
• 24:20
  Clair: But she was so easy to train.
• 24:23
  Clair: I told Michael this all the time.
• 24:25
  Clair: I was like,"I feel like I'm doing something wrong, like I'm missing something." And yeah, and people know this about me, like in the NAVHDA group, I'll tell you, they'll be like,"Well, you blew that bird in half, and that's why my dog didn't pick it up." I'm like,"No, there's holes in your force fetch."
• 24:40
  Tyce: Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 24:41
  Clair: Like, I'm very, very,
• 24:43
  Tyce: making sure you
• 24:44
  Clair: not just about your dog, but my dog
• 24:47
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 24:47
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 24:48
  Clair: Yes.
• 24:48
  Clair: Um, and so, and like I will set them up for failure purposely when I'm training them.
• 24:54
  Clair: Um, I, I do lots of...
• 24:57
  Clair: My friends call it weird Claire shit.
• 25:00
  Clair: Um, but that's why my dog, like Cruz has titles on her at just three years old, so because of Claire's weird shit.
• 25:09
  Clair: So,
• 25:10
  Tyce: absolutely.
• 25:11
  Clair: anyway, just watching her do...
• 25:13
  Clair: Like how she received information and training and coaching, um, way different than my other dog.
• 25:20
  Clair: My other dog was Catchy McCatcherson.
• 25:22
  Clair: It took me for...
• 25:23
  Clair: I thought she was...
• 25:24
  Clair: I just pretty much expected her to scoot birds at the invitational, but somehow she was in the mood to behave, and we had a good day.
• 25:32
  Clair: Um, I, I hunt them broke as well.
• 25:35
  Clair: Um, so unfortunately that limits like who I'll go hunt with.
• 25:39
  Clair: Um, or I'll just put my old dog down who I'm not chasing titles on her anymore, and she can just do whatever she wants.
• 25:45
  Clair: She's earned it.
• 25:45
  Clair: But,
• 25:46
  Tyce: Just do whatever she wants.
• 25:47
  Tyce: Yeah
• 25:48
  Clair: so yeah, I saw, yeah, such a difference.
• 25:50
  Clair: And my third dog that I got from, uh, Michael, um, she's also by a stud from Hunt'Em Up Kennels in Kansas, and, um, his m- main dog Sitka, and that girl is so steady.
• 26:06
  Clair: Like she acted...
• 26:08
  Clair: I, I told Michael the last hunting season, I was like,"I think you sold me a broke dog.
• 26:12
  Clair: I think you did." Um, natural retrieve.
• 26:15
  Clair: Like, honestly, if I didn't wanna play games with her and like have her perfect, you know, where
• 26:20
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 26:20
  Clair: you could...
• 26:21
  Clair: You'd think she was finished.
• 26:22
  Clair: Like that's, that's just how,
• 26:24
  Tyce: she's just
• 26:25
  Clair: I'm almost like getting on an excited soapbox, but that's just how cool genetics are, and that's how much...
• 26:30
  Clair: Yeah.
• 26:31
  Tyce: Yeah,
• 26:31
  Clair: Yeah.
• 26:32
  Tyce: don't
• 26:32
  Clair: I call it full resume.
• 26:34
  Clair: Yeah.
• 26:34
  Clair: She's steady as shot.
• 26:36
  Clair: Like, I don't know, she's awesome
• 26:39
  Tyce: That's awesome.
• 26:39
  Tyce: Yeah, it's when you get good genetics, it just, it speeds the, it speeds the training process up.
• 26:45
  Tyce: 'Cause like you said, they just, they just get it, right?
• 26:47
  Tyce: It's like it just, it just clicks easy.
• 26:51
  Tyce: That story, yeah, you're, you're f- you kinda were, like, fading out a little bit.
• 26:55
  Clair: Oh
• 26:56
  Tyce: I have you now.
• 26:57
  Tyce: You're doing okay now.
• 26:59
  Clair: Okay
• 27:00
  Tyce: D- are we good?
• 27:01
  Tyce: Okay.
• 27:02
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 27:02
  Clair: Yeah.
• 27:03
  Tyce: we
• 27:03
  Clair: Yeah.
• 27:03
  Tyce: edit, edit that out.
• 27:04
  Tyce: But
• 27:04
  Clair: You can fix it
• 27:05
  Tyce: um, with good dogs, yeah, it just seems like they, they just train way, way easier.
• 27:11
  Tyce: It just, and I tell people, I'm like,"You almost, you almost save yourself...
• 27:15
  Tyce: could do save yourself time and money when you get good br- good genetics.
• 27:18
  Tyce: The dogs just train really easy," and sometimes you get those all-stars.
• 27:22
  Tyce: Sounds like you had one.
• 27:23
  Tyce: It's just like, this dog seems like it- it's never even seen these concepts, but it just absorbs them so easy.
• 27:28
  Tyce: You're like, they seem like they're trained almost already, you know?
• 27:31
  Tyce: So,
• 27:32
  Clair: Yeah.
• 27:33
  Tyce: so
• 27:33
  Clair: and I think in a, being in a club with a lot of, like, novice handlers, um,
• 27:39
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 27:40
  Clair: dogs like that will make you think you're a really good trainer.
• 27:44
  Clair: So I'm glad that I had a tough dog in the beginning because honestly,
• 27:50
  Tyce: Makes you
• 27:50
  Clair: I would've thought I was just, yeah, like I'm just such a good trainer.
• 27:53
  Clair: I know what I'm doing.
• 27:54
  Clair: I know everything.
• 27:55
  Clair: Um, so I'm glad that I had the tough one first.
• 28:00
  Clair: Yeah
• 28:00
  Tyce: Well, one thing I've learned about dogs and dealing with them for, for a long time and every day is they s- you, you can learn something new every day.
• 28:08
  Tyce: You never, no one ever has everything.
• 28:10
  Tyce: I mean, you can learn a lot, but there's even little, teeny little things can ch- you know, make a difference.
• 28:15
  Tyce: And if you feel like you can't be taught anymore, you're probably, I don't know, you're maybe not humble enough or something.
• 28:23
  Tyce: I feel like you can
• 28:24
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 28:24
  Clair: Yeah
• 28:25
  Tyce: or a new technique or s- something else to try, and every dog is really, they're unique individuals.
• 28:30
  Tyce: They have their own personalities and, and, um,
• 28:32
  Clair: Mhm.
• 28:33
  Tyce: they're just amazing, amazing animals.
• 28:35
  Tyce: So, um,
• 28:37
  Clair: Yeah
• 28:37
  Tyce: there behind you?
• 28:38
  Tyce: Are those, I can't tell, are those masters or what do you have there?
• 28:42
  Tyce: Junior?
• 28:42
  Clair: yeah, those are master hunters.
• 28:44
  Clair: Yeah.
• 28:45
  Tyce: Cool.
• 28:46
  Clair: The...
• 28:46
  Clair: Also master, yeah, and then I guess her, um, qualifying, so Cruz, Cruz is a confirmation champion.
• 28:55
  Tyce: Okay,
• 28:56
  Clair: You've never run a master hunter?
• 28:58
  Tyce: I've only
• 28:58
  Clair: I was gonna say, well, since-
• 29:01
  Tyce: hunt tests.
• 29:02
  Tyce: I've only run retrievers when it comes to, um, you know, AKC hunt tests and then HRC hunt tests, but I've never done ABDA or any of, any of those.
• 29:10
  Tyce: I've never gotten involved.
• 29:11
  Tyce: Just, I personally...
• 29:12
  Tyce: We have golden retrievers, Labradors, and I have two red setters.
• 29:15
  Tyce: That's one of them in the background.
• 29:16
  Tyce: You can kind of see on that
• 29:18
  Clair: Oh, yep, I do.
• 29:19
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 29:21
  Clair: Mm-hmm
• 29:22
  Tyce: so, but yeah, I've never gotten into that game.
• 29:24
  Tyce: But we train clients' dogs for it, and so I'm fairly aware of it.
• 29:29
  Tyce: But never...
• 29:30
  Tyce: so many things you can do with dogs.
• 29:31
  Tyce: I mean, it's crazy.
• 29:32
  Tyce: You can spend your whole...
• 29:33
  Tyce: You know, you can
• 29:34
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 29:34
  Tyce: and hunt tests and dog
• 29:37
  Clair: Mhm.
• 29:37
  Tyce: all sorts of things, you know.
• 29:39
  Tyce: So, but I have five kids.
• 29:41
  Tyce: I got a business.
• 29:42
  Tyce: I got...
• 29:42
  Tyce: It's just I don't-- And I don't wanna be living on the road nonstop like some people like that.
• 29:47
  Tyce: But, my passion getting into this has always been hunting.
• 29:50
  Tyce: Like, I just want a really nice hunting
• 29:52
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 29:53
  Tyce: we breed our dogs, so I gotta put titles on them, and some people buy a puppy.
• 29:57
  Tyce: They
• 29:57
  Clair: True
• 29:57
  Tyce: this has some type, some level of trainability, you know.
• 30:00
  Tyce: So yeah.
• 30:02
  Clair: Yeah.
• 30:03
  Clair: For me, it was like a kind of a personal challenge of like everyone knows that Claire has these like badass wall bird dogs.
• 30:12
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 30:12
  Clair: there's...
• 30:13
  Clair: I'm sure you hear it, there's lots of chatter sometimes depending on who you talk to of like,"Well, you can't title up a good wall bird dog'cause if they're a good wall bird dog, they won't do well at tests and stuff and vice versa." And so that was like my whole, um, goal was to be like,"Actually, they can." Um,
• 30:30
  Tyce: play both games, yep.
• 30:32
  Clair: uh,
• 30:33
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 30:34
  Clair: yeah.
• 30:34
  Clair: Yeah.
• 30:35
  Tyce: do
• 30:35
  Clair: So,
• 30:35
  Tyce: the same thing.
• 30:36
  Tyce: I mean, we...
• 30:38
  Tyce: Yeah, we do the same thing.
• 30:39
  Tyce: I mean, I, I hunt my dogs, but then we still run them up through the master and all that stuff, you know?
• 30:44
  Tyce: Tell us about how you became a veterinarian.
• 30:45
  Tyce: I mean, is that something you always wanted to do?
• 30:47
  Tyce: Is that, when did you decide that?
• 30:50
  Clair: No.
• 30:51
  Clair: So I, I didn't have, like, the childhood story of I've wanted to be a vet since I, you know, could walk type thing.
• 30:58
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 30:59
  Clair: to tell you a little bit about my family, so we talked about, like, I grew up with coon dogs and shooting squirrels and stuff in southeastern Oklahoma.
• 31:06
  Clair: Um, and I wouldn't-- I don't feel like I ever went without as a child, but, uh, my family was not rich.
• 31:13
  Clair: I didn't grow up in, like, a rich family.
• 31:15
  Clair: And southeast Oklahoma especially, like, there's a lot more poverty in that area as well.
• 31:20
  Clair: Um, many people are often shocked.
• 31:23
  Clair: He was a self-employed heavy equipment operator, so blue-collar.
• 31:28
  Clair: And then my mom, um, she, um, received finally...
• 31:34
  Clair: I think we were probably, like, kindergarten, first grade-ish,
• 31:37
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 31:37
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 31:38
  Clair: she got her master's in education, and she, um, worked up into a, like, higher admin role at, um, a regional university in Durant, Oklahoma.
• 31:50
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 31:51
  Clair: and that's where-- They're both retired now.
• 31:53
  Clair: Well, my dad will still go dig a pond when he's bored, but
• 31:56
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 31:58
  Clair: does.
• 31:58
  Tyce: Mm-hmm
• 31:59
  Clair: but they're both retired and sit in their rocking chairs and, um, yeah, just enjoying life now.
• 32:05
  Clair: Oh, gosh, I've lost track.
• 32:07
  Clair: My mom is in her late 60s, and my dad is,
• 32:10
  Tyce: Okay
• 32:11
  Clair: I think...
• 32:13
  Clair: Is he 71 or two?
• 32:16
  Tyce: No, they're still
• 32:17
  Clair: They're not gonna listen to this to know.
• 32:19
  Clair: But,
• 32:19
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 32:20
  Clair: they st- still get around pretty well and stuff, and my dad, like, putts around on his little...
• 32:25
  Clair: They still have the Gator that I learned-- a diesel Gator that I learned to drive a long time ago, so.
• 32:30
  Clair: They live on my...
• 32:31
  Clair: what used to be my, um, uh, great-grandparents' property.
• 32:36
  Clair: I don't remember what year, but my dad said he, he wants to stay alive long enough to see it become a centennial farm.
• 32:43
  Tyce: Oh, cool.
• 32:44
  Tyce: Cool.
• 32:44
  Clair: it's been in the
• 32:45
  Tyce: land, a decent amount of land, or is it Mm.
• 32:49
  Clair: Originally, I think it was a little over 300 acres, but they have bought tracts next to it, like, as the years have gone by.
• 32:55
  Clair: Might be closer to, like, 500 now.
• 32:58
  Clair: But they lease a lot of it.
• 32:59
  Clair: Used to have pecan orchards on it, so that's what we got to do on Christmas break, um, as kids, is go harvest pecans.
• 33:05
  Clair: We never had...
• 33:06
  Clair: We didn't get to enjoy Christmas and Thanksgiving breaks'cause it was pecan season.
• 33:09
  Tyce: though.
• 33:09
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 33:10
  Clair: Yes.
• 33:11
  Clair: Or hay season.
• 33:12
  Clair: Like, you couldn't go, um, uh, see your boyfriend until you moved all the hay out and got it stacked up type stuff.
• 33:19
  Clair: So yeah, didn't really l-
• 33:21
  Tyce: you gotta have
• 33:22
  Clair: Uh-huh.
• 33:23
  Tyce: gotta get through the work to get the prize, so I try to do
• 33:25
  Clair: Yeah.
• 33:27
  Clair: Yeah.
• 33:27
  Clair: Did not like it, uh, at the time, but as someone that, like owning my own businesses now and just like critically thinking through stuff and...
• 33:35
  Clair: 'Cause like if you had a problem with the tractor or if, um, you know, you didn't-- like you had to troubleshoot stuff on your own without your parents and yeah, yeah.
• 33:44
  Clair: So just like common sense and general skills.
• 33:47
  Clair: But, so anyway, um, I think I just never really had like a set career path for myself.
• 33:54
  Clair: Um, and I think I just assumed that I would, um, probably not go to school.
• 34:01
  Clair: Um, maybe go to school, don't know, be like a secretary for someone.
• 34:05
  Clair: At one point I was like, told my mother I was gonna be a hairstylist, which I mean, I, I don't really like doing hair and stuff.
• 34:12
  Clair: So
• 34:13
  Tyce: so
• 34:14
  Clair: I got good hair, but like, as far as other people's hair,
• 34:17
  Tyce: yeah
• 34:18
  Clair: nothing like nothing medical or nothing that involved, um, like a, a doctorate degree by any means.
• 34:25
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 34:26
  Clair: I am, I am the first like person to hold a doctorate in, on both sides of my family, like ever.
• 34:32
  Tyce: That's amazing
• 34:34
  Clair: but in like sixth grade, my, my dumb little story is the sixth grade teacher, um, was trying to help me figure out what to write a career report over.
• 34:43
  Clair: We had to do that in her class and I was like,"Mm, I feel like writing about a hairstylist is kind of like boring.
• 34:49
  Clair: Like how do I write about that?" And she was like, so I was always the weird little country kid, me and my brother.
• 34:54
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 34:55
  Clair: like grade'cause we're twins and so we were always the weird little country kids that like for show and tell, we brought like actual creatures to school that my dad would find in a pond or like n-non-venomous snakes and like stuff like that.
• 35:10
  Clair: So, um, but she was-- so she knew that like I liked, um, animals and I, I liked science and math.
• 35:17
  Clair: Um, and she was like,"Claire, don't, don't you like these things?" And I was like,"Yeah." And she was like,"Why don't you write about being a veterinarian?" Like, to her that was just like the puzzle pieces put together is like math, science, animals, veterinarian, boom.
• 35:29
  Clair: And I was like,"Okay." Um, and so that's what I did.
• 35:33
  Clair: And I'm like,"Why can't I be a veterinarian?" You know?
• 35:37
  Clair: Um, and that's kind of just like what led me and I was like,"Well, you only have to go to school for so long and stuff." And I can re- I can remember telling my parents this, so, um, my mom like all through high school till we left home, like she cooked at night and like we always ate at the table and w- I wouldn't say we had like real in-depth family conversation or anything, but
• 35:59
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 35:59
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 35:59
  Tyce: Hmm.
• 35:59
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 35:59
  Tyce: Oh, real- oh, that's too bad.
• 35:59
  Tyce: Just'cause no
• 36:01
  Clair: uh, we weren't like close like that emotionally, um, per se.
• 36:05
  Clair: But I remember blabbing one night that I'm gonna be a vet and my dad laughing, um, because, because the money
• 36:14
  Tyce: in your family?
• 36:15
  Tyce: Oh, money.
• 36:16
  Tyce: Okay,
• 36:16
  Clair: Money, yeah.
• 36:17
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 36:18
  Clair: and my mom just quiet...
• 36:20
  Clair: My mom, uh, I've never heard that woman cuss in my life.
• 36:23
  Clair: She...
• 36:24
  Clair: Or, like, say anything, like, curt or mean to anyone.
• 36:27
  Clair: Like, I don't know how she...
• 36:29
  Clair: Where do you put it, Mother?
• 36:31
  Clair: But yeah, she's,
• 36:32
  Tyce: Yeah
• 36:33
  Clair: lady.
• 36:34
  Clair: And so but we, uh, we always commuted to school, and so at one point going to school though, I remember her telling me, like, um,"Cs," that's what they call me, my brother and family.
• 36:46
  Clair: "Cs, um, I can't help you pay for anything if that's what you wanna do, but I can, I can take you wherever you need to go.
• 36:52
  Clair: Um, like, if you need to go to, like, a job interview or if you need to...
• 36:57
  Clair: I- if I need to drive you to the OSU or something,
• 36:59
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 37:00
  Clair: then I will." And you know what?
• 37:02
  Clair: She did.
• 37:03
  Clair: Um, she, uh, I don't know if they do it anymore, but the vet school at Oklahoma State, they had a, um, a, like a little weekend camp to introduce you to life as a vet student, and I don't know how I found out about it.
• 37:17
  Clair: Um, my counselors in school were honestly really good about either telling my mom or telling me about stuff like that because they knew, like, our situation.
• 37:27
  Clair: Um, and so somebody told me about it.
• 37:30
  Clair: I applied and registered.
• 37:32
  Clair: My mom drove three hours one way just to kick me out, to drop me off there, turn around and go right back home, and then two days later drove three hours one way to pick me up.
• 37:40
  Clair: Yeah, five minutes spent kicking me out, so I don't know.
• 37:43
  Clair: I'll never forget that.
• 37:44
  Clair: But that kinda solidified,
• 37:46
  Tyce: was
• 37:47
  Clair: mm-hmm,
• 37:48
  Tyce: Okay.
• 37:48
  Clair: yeah, Oklahoma State for
• 37:50
  Tyce: at these days?
• 37:51
  Tyce: Are there...
• 37:51
  Tyce: I mean, I don't know how many there are or where they're at.
• 37:54
  Tyce: Do you have
• 37:54
  Clair: Well, um, there's a lot more than when I first applied.
• 37:59
  Clair: So like, for example, Texas has two.
• 38:01
  Clair: Um, Texas Tech, theirs is not very many years old though, but a lot more vet schools are being, um, like made, created, whatever, opening, yeah.
• 38:12
  Tyce: opening.
• 38:12
  Clair: there's way less veterinary schools.
• 38:15
  Tyce: maybe not.
• 38:16
  Clair: It's...
• 38:17
  Clair: Well, the reason they're creating more is because the veterinary population is...
• 38:21
  Clair: Or the veterinary population, the,
• 38:23
  Tyce: animal
• 38:24
  Clair: like I'm trying to put two, two phrases together.
• 38:28
  Clair: The veterinarian...
• 38:30
  Clair: There's a veterinarian shortage,
• 38:32
  Tyce: Yeah, yeah
• 38:33
  Clair: right now, and I think that is exacerbated because there is an increase in the animal population and people that have animals now.
• 38:40
  Tyce: Yep.
• 38:41
  Clair: So
• 38:41
  Tyce: everyone has a dog in their house now it seems like, and
• 38:45
  Clair: Yeah.
• 38:45
  Clair: Yeah
• 38:46
  Tyce: I mean, I don't know, 15 years ago, not that many people really even kept their dogs in their homes.
• 38:53
  Tyce: You know, they were just kennel dogs, and now, like, say
• 38:56
  Clair: Oh, yeah
• 38:56
  Tyce: of my clients have their dogs in their homes with them.
• 38:59
  Tyce: You
• 38:59
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 38:59
  Tyce: of the family.
• 39:00
  Tyce: And it, you
• 39:01
  Clair: Yeah
• 39:02
  Tyce: is I, I actually wanted to be a veterinarian growing up.
• 39:04
  Tyce: Al- I always, I've always loved animals, and and, um, and always been en- enamored by'em.
• 39:10
  Tyce: And, and, uh, my uncle was a veterinarian, but then he turned veterinarian to an entrepreneur,'cause he was like,"I wasn't making enough being a veterinarian," you know, back then.
• 39:19
  Tyce: So honestly, he kind of curbed my, like...
• 39:22
  Tyce: He's like,
• 39:22
  Clair: ஆ.
• 39:23
  Tyce: you go to school for so long." And then he made a, he had, like, Blockbuster video stores and stuff.
• 39:28
  Tyce: And
• 39:28
  Clair: Oh, okay.
• 39:29
  Tyce: Blockbuster is?
• 39:30
  Tyce: Do you remember
• 39:30
  Clair: Oh yeah.
• 39:31
  Clair: Yep, I remember.
• 39:33
  Tyce: he had those, and he made a bunch of money, and he's like,"Why should I be a vet?" You know?
• 39:37
  Tyce: But now
• 39:38
  Clair: Wow, that's crazy
• 39:39
  Tyce: of switched.
• 39:40
  Tyce: The vets are so busy, and, uh, you know, and, uh, so it's been interesting.
• 39:44
  Tyce: And, but I guess some of the cool...
• 39:46
  Tyce: I mean, I get to work with animals every day, training dogs, and so I'm really fortunate in that
• 39:51
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 39:51
  Tyce: though I'm not a vet, and a lot of my clients think I'm a vet.
• 39:54
  Tyce: Like, they'll call me.
• 39:55
  Tyce: They're like,"Hey, how, uh, my dog did this.
• 39:58
  Tyce: What should I do?" And I'm like,"Well, just going off experience, what I've seen over the
• 40:03
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 40:03
  Tyce: this is what I would try," or whatever, you know?
• 40:05
  Tyce: So I'm willing to...
• 40:06
  Tyce: I'm like,"I'm not a vet, but I'll..." This, you know, I don't know.
• 40:09
  Tyce: I'm, I'm a little dangerous, I guess you could say, when it comes to taking care of
• 40:13
  Clair: Yeah, just
• 40:14
  Tyce: But
• 40:15
  Clair: know just enough to be dangerous.
• 40:16
  Clair: Yeah.
• 40:17
  Clair: Yeah
• 40:17
  Tyce: So, but, um, kind of let's, let's roll into that.
• 40:21
  Tyce: Let's talk about, um, you know, y- you mentioned, you know, on your website, and of course, we're gonna give you a minute to tell you where people can find all this stuff.
• 40:30
  Tyce: But have these awesome first aid kits.
• 40:34
  Tyce: Let's jump into how you up with this.
• 40:40
  Clair: So once I got Sally, um, one of the first, like, out-of-state hunts that I went on with her was to South Dakota with some friends to pheasant hunt.
• 40:48
  Clair: And leading up to that, I had put together, like, a couple things that I might need for her, and but didn't really, I don't know, just kinda...
• 40:59
  Clair: I'm more of a Type B wing it personality, which is a little...
• 41:02
  Clair: It's an outlier as a vet, for sure.
• 41:04
  Clair: I think that's why I'm able to, like, have these businesses and just go with the flow type thing most days.
• 41:09
  Clair: But,
• 41:09
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 41:10
  Tyce: I'm
• 41:10
  Clair: I was like,"I'll just deal, I'll deal with it if something happens." And like
• 41:14
  Tyce: Sure.
• 41:15
  Clair: typical Type B,
• 41:16
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 41:17
  Clair: just deal with it when it happens.
• 41:18
  Clair: Um, well, she bumped a pheasant hen and chased it through barbed wire fence.
• 41:23
  Clair: She was just a year old.
• 41:25
  Clair: Um, and I, I didn't get to see it happen, so I don't quite know how she managed this physically.
• 41:30
  Clair: But she somehow got, like, her leg scissored between two strands of barbed wire.
• 41:34
  Clair: Like, I think she, um, got her leg stuck, flipped, and then rolled again.
• 41:38
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 41:39
  Clair: Uh-huh.
• 41:40
  Clair: And so it was just like, yep, yeah, that was her.
• 41:44
  Clair: So she's like...
• 41:45
  Clair: And I hear her, like, blood-curdling screaming.
• 41:49
  Tyce: Yeah
• 41:49
  Clair: I'm, uh, bundled up.
• 41:52
  Clair: I've got my brand-new Benelli that I had, uh, taken up there to try out, and I'm like Michelin Man running to go see what's wrong.
• 42:00
  Clair: Eventually, like, pitch the Benelli and assume one of my friends is gonna pick it up for me.
• 42:05
  Clair: Um, and I found her just hanging there like a meat carcass on the fence.
• 42:09
  Clair: Um, I'm, you know, as a vet though, I'm imagining, like, are you eviscerated and your guts are hanging out right now or something?
• 42:16
  Tyce: yeah, yeah
• 42:16
  Clair: but she was fine.
• 42:18
  Clair: She just had a pretty decent gash, um, on the inside of her leg.
• 42:22
  Clair: And so if I'd have been by myself though, I don't know how I'd have, would have got her down, um, unless I had, like, cable cutters to cut the fence.
• 42:30
  Clair: Because her weight, like, hanging on the fence, I couldn't lift her up, and the tightness of the wire, yeah, I couldn't do it.
• 42:38
  Tyce: have to
• 42:38
  Clair: I needed a third hand.
• 42:40
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 42:41
  Clair: Yeah.
• 42:41
  Clair: So I hoisted her up, and then, um, one of my friends undid the wire, and then she's kinda gimping a little bit, but, um, she was fine and, um, I stapled her at the truck and stuff, but I was like,"Ooh, I really need some meds.
• 42:55
  Clair: Like, I, this needs some antibiotics." So, um, in, uh, Mitchell, South Dakota, I was, like, calling the Walmart pharmacist saying,"I know you close at 7:00, and it's, like, 6:52.
• 43:06
  Clair: Will you just please stay open for, like, five more minutes,
• 43:10
  Tyce: Yeah
• 43:11
  Clair: so I can come pick up these meds for my dog?" Thankfully, they were super nice and helped me out.
• 43:15
  Clair: But after that, I was like,"Geez, Claire, that was stupid." Um, and I, I'm lucky
• 43:22
  Tyce: I don't have
• 43:22
  Clair: I...
• 43:24
  Clair: Yeah.
• 43:24
  Clair: Yeah, like, I had one, but it was pretty half-ass, you know?
• 43:27
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 43:28
  Tyce: Oh, I
• 43:28
  Clair: and
• 43:29
  Tyce: and everything.
• 43:29
  Tyce: Yeah,
• 43:30
  Clair: I mean, I had a stapler, but then I don't think I had a staple remover.
• 43:34
  Clair: I was like,"Well, that's also stupid."
• 43:36
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 43:37
  Clair: remember if I had good stuff to, like, clean it.
• 43:40
  Clair: I don't know.
• 43:40
  Clair: I had a very, like, bare bones type thing.
• 43:43
  Tyce: stuff.
• 43:43
  Tyce: Yeah
• 43:44
  Clair: mm-hmm.
• 43:45
  Clair: And so after that, I came home, and I'm a convenience person.
• 43:49
  Clair: Um, and at that point in my life, I've been practicing for, like, five or six years maybe.
• 43:55
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 43:55
  Clair: I just wanted...
• 43:56
  Clair: I've got some disposable income being single, and I just wanted to, like, buy something easy.
• 44:01
  Clair: I didn't really care how much it was.
• 44:02
  Clair: I didn't, I didn't like anything that I found on the market.
• 44:05
  Clair: And I'm like,"Well, this has XYZ, but it's missing that." Or, like, this one just has, like...
• 44:10
  Clair: It looks like a lot of stuff, but it's all bandage material, just in different forms.
• 44:14
  Clair: Um, so I just...
• 44:15
  Clair: I'm like,"Well, okay, I'm just gonna have to put together my own." And then a friend of mine, um, just, like, randomly was like,"Hey," uh,'cause connections through NAVDA, somebody that I trained with and met through NAVDA.
• 44:27
  Clair: Um, he was like,"Can you...
• 44:29
  Clair: Will you just make me a kit like what you've got?""Yeah, sure.
• 44:31
  Clair: No problem." Shipped it to him.
• 44:33
  Clair: Um, then word of mouth, and I was like,"Hmm, feel like this is a solution to a problem, and that's how businesses are created, solutions to problems."
• 44:42
  Tyce: Yeah
• 44:43
  Clair: so I started, um, thinking through, like, more intricately, like, okay, what exactly can you put in this?
• 44:49
  Clair: How can we charge for it?
• 44:51
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 44:55
  Clair: tax and all the stuff that comes with running, like, a e-commerce business.
• 44:59
  Tyce: Yeah
• 45:00
  Clair: but...
• 45:01
  Clair: And now I'm in...
• 45:02
  Clair: I w- I call it a mini warehouse.
• 45:04
  Clair: I wouldn't consider it, like, a true warehouse.
• 45:05
  Clair: But,
• 45:06
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 45:06
  Clair: I'm in a really large, uh, rental space, um, now, and I mean, we...
• 45:12
  Clair: We're getting busy right now, and it's just always a game of, like, trying to keep the inventory stocked.
• 45:17
  Clair: And,
• 45:18
  Tyce: Yeah,
• 45:18
  Clair: we've also partnered with Final Rise, um,
• 45:21
  Tyce: Yeah,
• 45:22
  Clair: out in Utah.
• 45:23
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 45:24
  Clair: And so we ship, like, uh...
• 45:26
  Clair: We make the innards of the kits and ship to him, and then, uh, he ships the pouches to us, and then we sell'em
• 45:32
  Tyce: Yeah,
• 45:32
  Clair: on our, both our websites.
• 45:34
  Clair: And yeah, it just...
• 45:35
  Clair: I did not expect it to take off like that.
• 45:39
  Clair: Like, yesterday, I was in the, the warehouse taking pictures of...
• 45:42
  Clair: We've got some new items that we've included in the kits, um, this year, and so I'm taking pictures to, like, just edit them and put on the website.
• 45:50
  Clair: And I'm like,"Man, if you'd told me in vet school when I was working on my Doctor of Veterinary Medicine degree you'd be sitting here trying to get a good angle on some clotting gauze for a website,
• 46:01
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 46:02
  Clair: not have believed you."
• 46:03
  Tyce: Think you were doing that,
• 46:04
  Clair: but yeah.
• 46:05
  Clair: But here we are.
• 46:06
  Clair: So, um,
• 46:08
  Tyce: So,
• 46:08
  Clair: I think what I have loved the most about it though is, like, the people, the people it's connected me with.
• 46:13
  Clair: Like, I never get tired of that.
• 46:15
  Clair: I never get tired of that.
• 46:16
  Clair: People will message me like,"I'm, I'm sorry I'm contacting you," or, like,"I know you're busy," and it's like,"I would love to talk to you," like,
• 46:24
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 46:25
  Clair: "Tell me about your dog," or whatever
• 46:27
  Tyce: inter- they all have the same interests, right?
• 46:29
  Tyce: They're hunters, they
• 46:30
  Clair: Right.
• 46:31
  Tyce: I mean, it's,
• 46:32
  Clair: Mm-hmm
• 46:33
  Tyce: like, being a dog trainer, it's like, man, I have the best clients.
• 46:36
  Tyce: They're here for
• 46:37
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 46:40
  Tyce: and w- I'm a big game hunter, too, and bird hunter, and it's just a fun, just a fun community and, and, um,
• 46:46
  Clair: Yeah
• 46:47
  Tyce: it's fun to network with so many great people.
• 46:49
  Tyce: So, okay.
• 46:51
  Clair: Yeah
• 46:52
  Tyce: me, over the years, being a vet, having your own dogs, and I can chime in what I've seen, but what are the most common injuries that happen the field with hunting dogs that you've seen?
• 47:08
  Clair: Uh, where I am, your top two are without argument, uh, like lacerations from barbed wire and porcupines all day long.
• 47:18
  Tyce: You guys
• 47:18
  Clair: Yeah, all day long.
• 47:19
  Tyce: huh?
• 47:20
  Clair: Oh, yeah.
• 47:21
  Clair: Oh, yeah
• 47:22
  Tyce: think, I wouldn't think Oklah- I don't even know if I've been to Oklahoma, but I, I wouldn't think of it
• 47:26
  Clair: You should come.
• 47:27
  Tyce: place unless you come
• 47:28
  Clair: Western Oklahoma
• 47:30
  Tyce: left out there?
• 47:32
  Clair: There's no birds out here.
• 47:34
  Tyce: Is it?
• 47:35
  Clair: Wink, wink, wink.
• 47:37
  Tyce: Yeah, yeah.
• 47:37
  Tyce: No.
• 47:38
  Clair: If you, if you know where to go and you know your habitat, there's birds, yeah
• 47:41
  Tyce: of Oklahoma as a Bob White country, right?
• 47:43
  Tyce: Is, am I
• 47:44
  Clair: Yes,
• 47:45
  Tyce: Okay.
• 47:46
  Clair: Yeah.
• 47:46
  Tyce: Okay
• 47:47
  Clair: Um, if you go out towards the Panhandle, maybe in Western Oklahoma along the Texas border, you might find some blue quail.
• 47:55
  Clair: Um, definitely...
• 47:57
  Clair: I don't know, maybe on some Panhandle public land you might find some blue quail out there.
• 48:03
  Clair: Um, pretty rare though.
• 48:05
  Clair: Like, you're gonna...
• 48:06
  Tyce: What do you...
• 48:06
  Tyce: Yeah, what species are in Oklahoma?
• 48:09
  Tyce: Squirrels,
• 48:09
  Clair: so
• 48:10
  Tyce: what else?
• 48:12
  Clair: oh, I meant squirrel as like the ADD thing.
• 48:14
  Clair: No.
• 48:15
  Tyce: are 10...
• 48:15
  Tyce: Just like, yeah
• 48:17
  Clair: uh, bobwhites, scaled quail, and then pheasant, um,
• 48:22
  Tyce: Okay.
• 48:23
  Clair: are in Oklahoma.
• 48:24
  Clair: Yeah.
• 48:25
  Clair: Yeah.
• 48:26
  Clair: So like I said, the scaled quail though are more like, uh, the Panhandle, like towards,
• 48:32
  Tyce: Scale and Blue, is that the same coil?
• 48:34
  Tyce: I think...
• 48:34
  Tyce: Is that the
• 48:34
  Clair: Yeah.
• 48:35
  Clair: Yeah.
• 48:36
  Tyce: That's what, yeah, that's
• 48:36
  Clair: Yeah.
• 48:37
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 48:38
  Clair: proper nerm- proper term, scaled quail.
• 48:41
  Clair: A scaled blue quail.
• 48:42
  Tyce: I know they have a little mohawk, that little triangle thing
• 48:46
  Clair: Yeah.
• 48:47
  Clair: I think they're just...
• 48:48
  Clair: I don't know, they're just so pretty.
• 48:50
  Clair: Um, I have hunted them in, uh, New Mexico in the...
• 48:54
  Clair: So a couple years ago, um, like you could walk for eight miles and not see a bird, no matter how g- how good your dog...
• 49:01
  Clair: Yeah, like Oklahoma did not...
• 49:04
  Tyce: Oklahoma?
• 49:05
  Clair: yeah.
• 49:06
  Tyce: don't go there.
• 49:06
  Tyce: It doesn't sound very good, everyone.
• 49:08
  Clair: yeah, don't go there.
• 49:10
  Clair: We don't have fluctuations in birds ever.
• 49:12
  Clair: Um,
• 49:14
  Tyce: Hopefully
• 49:15
  Clair: but a couple years ago...
• 49:17
  Clair: Yeah.
• 49:17
  Clair: Well, it's just like there was such a bad drought, um, and then last year though, last year, um, so that's'25, but'24, um, for me personally was the best year.
• 49:29
  Clair: Um, and last year it was kind of funny, like talking to friends, you know, you wouldn't...
• 49:35
  Clair: You would see multiple coveys no matter where you went, no matter how crappy a spot looked.
• 49:39
  Clair: You would see multiple coveys in'24.
• 49:40
  Clair: Um,
• 49:41
  Tyce: Oh, cool.
• 49:43
  Clair: of course, if you know where to go.
• 49:44
  Clair: I think you'll see on these Facebook groups everybody's like,"Oh my God, where are the birds?" And I was like,"Well, you gotta walk, dude."
• 49:50
  Tyce: You gotta find them.
• 49:51
  Tyce: You gotta
• 49:51
  Clair: You...
• 49:51
  Tyce: you gotta scout.
• 49:52
  Tyce: Yeah, whatever
• 49:53
  Clair: Yeah, you gotta walk.
• 49:55
  Clair: Um, but
• 49:56
  Tyce: scaled quail.
• 49:57
  Tyce: I wanna c- if I can chime in here, what kind of habitat do they...
• 50:00
  Tyce: Brushy land?
• 50:01
  Tyce: I don't, I mean, I don't know what I'm...
• 50:03
  Tyce: I'm just
• 50:04
  Clair: For scaled quail
• 50:05
  Tyce: Yeah, scaled
• 50:06
  Clair: or bobwhite?
• 50:08
  Tyce: Um, both.
• 50:09
  Tyce: I, well, I've seen
• 50:09
  Clair: well
• 50:10
  Tyce: in, I've seen them in pines with brush underneath, and
• 50:13
  Clair: Yeah.
• 50:14
  Tyce: you know, the videos, but
• 50:16
  Clair: if you go to any Quail Forever event talking about quail habitat, you're gonna hear the phrase,"Quail are shrub obligates." I don't feel like I'm the one to give you a lot of info on, like, blue quail or scaled quail habitat.
• 50:29
  Clair: Um, I mean, we did find them in New Mexico, but I still feel like I have some learning to do as far as hunting, uh, scaled quail.
• 50:36
  Clair: But for bobwhite, I mean, they really are, like the biologists say, shrub obligates.
• 50:41
  Clair: You're gonna find them, um, around, like, the shinry oak, uh, mesquite plum thickets.
• 50:46
  Clair: Um, areas like that is where you're gonna find them
• 50:49
  Tyce: woody cover on the ground?
• 50:50
  Tyce: Is that kind of what we're looking for?
• 50:52
  Clair: Well, it's not like...
• 50:54
  Clair: I guess it looks thick up top, but it's thin on the bottom.
• 50:56
  Clair: Does that make sense?
• 50:57
  Clair: 'Cause they wanna be able to, yeah, maneuver through it.
• 51:00
  Clair: Like, if you're hunting somewhere, um, usually cows, uh, like if it's been grazed the year prior, so if you're like scouting a spot and you see a bunch of cow patties, but the cows are off of it, like if it's been grazed, um, and then the cows have been pulled from it, that's usually a good sign.
• 51:18
  Tyce: Hmm
• 51:19
  Clair: that's usually what...
• 51:20
  Clair: If I've got spots picked out and maybe I haven't found birds there, but I've been driving around,
• 51:25
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 51:25
  Clair: I see a place that was like obviously grazed but not like to the dirt, you know, the cows were pulled off of it at some point, then that's usually a spot worth hitting.
• 51:34
  Tyce: Interesting
• 51:35
  Clair: it's because they, they don't like, like thick Bermuda grass.
• 51:38
  Clair: I mean, they're not, they're not like a prairie chicken, okay?
• 51:40
  Clair: They're not gonna be in that thick grass.
• 51:42
  Clair: They're, they're little tiny birds and they gotta...
• 51:45
  Clair: They, they like to run almost as much as the blue quail do.
• 51:48
  Clair: Um,
• 51:48
  Tyce: Hmm.
• 51:49
  Clair: so that's what they tend to like.
• 51:52
  Clair: Yeah.
• 51:52
  Clair: And then looking at your like...
• 51:54
  Clair: Oh, go ahead
• 51:55
  Tyce: I just said I've seen a lot.
• 51:56
  Tyce: I mean, I've raised bobwhite quail.
• 51:58
  Tyce: I've been around them.
• 51:59
  Tyce: I-- They're funny.
• 52:00
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 52:00
  Tyce: up at night when it's cold.
• 52:01
  Tyce: They'll put their, like, little bums
• 52:03
  Clair: Yep.
• 52:03
  Tyce: other in,
• 52:04
  Clair: little cubby ring.
• 52:05
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 52:06
  Tyce: a covey
• 52:06
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 52:07
  Tyce: you call it.
• 52:07
  Tyce: I, I don't even
• 52:07
  Clair: Yeah.
• 52:08
  Tyce: it.
• 52:08
  Tyce: But, um, but
• 52:09
  Clair: Yeah
• 52:10
  Tyce: they don't...
• 52:11
  Tyce: There's no wild population in Utah, and I, g- must get too cold for them and, or something, or they don't have the right feed or whatever it may be.
• 52:18
  Tyce: Don't they eat a lot of
• 52:19
  Clair: Das
• 52:21
  Tyce: or something like that?
• 52:21
  Tyce: Or...
• 52:22
  Clair: Ooh, well, I don't, I don't know about clover.
• 52:26
  Clair: Um, but what they do like to eat out here are, like, this weed plant called croton.
• 52:33
  Clair: Um, it's found in Western Oklahoma.
• 52:35
  Clair: Ragweed, they love ragweed.
• 52:38
  Tyce: Okay.
• 52:39
  Clair: sunflowers, um, if you see that.
• 52:42
  Clair: Um, and anywhere that's had grasshoppers, like, you know.
• 52:46
  Tyce: Seems
• 52:46
  Clair: Um, so but the
• 52:48
  Tyce: all upland birds.
• 52:50
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 52:51
  Clair: yeah, yeah.
• 52:52
  Tyce: grasshoppers.
• 52:53
  Clair: mm-hmm.
• 52:54
  Clair: So,
• 52:56
  Tyce: Okay, well we got sidetracked on the quail.
• 52:58
  Tyce: T- bring us back around here.
• 52:59
  Tyce: Um, bring us...
• 53:01
  Tyce: I'll bring us back.
• 53:01
  Tyce: No, you're good.
• 53:02
  Tyce: I, I, I just
• 53:03
  Clair: I do.
• 53:03
  Tyce: down
• 53:04
  Clair: Quail are probably my, my favorite, um, upland bird to hunt.
• 53:07
  Clair: Just partly get the dog work, but I just, I love, I love to bobwhite quail hunt.
• 53:12
  Clair: That is my favorite.
• 53:13
  Tyce: valley or California quail or
• 53:16
  Clair: No.
• 53:17
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 53:18
  Tyce: what
• 53:18
  Clair: have
• 53:19
  Tyce: here
• 53:20
  Clair: hunted gambles one day, but they're, like I said, learning curve.
• 53:23
  Clair: Um, so they're, they're a little...
• 53:26
  Clair: They're tough, um, at least for me.
• 53:28
  Clair: For me and my dogs they were, so.
• 53:31
  Tyce: Yeah, they run a
• 53:31
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 53:32
  Tyce: they're kinda
• 53:32
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 53:33
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 53:34
  Tyce: have more of the gambrels, and then up
• 53:37
  Clair: Oh, okay
• 53:38
  Tyce: I, I, I rent some property that we train on.
• 53:40
  Tyce: And I have quite a few wild coveys of valley quail or I think valley California.
• 53:44
  Tyce: They're the same thing.
• 53:45
  Tyce: But, um, yeah, so if you ever
• 53:47
  Clair: I think you're right, yeah.
• 53:49
  Tyce: some valley or California quail, let me know.
• 53:52
  Tyce: your dogs out and g-
• 53:54
  Clair: Once my, next year.
• 53:55
  Clair: N-no, no big trips this year'cause the clinic's getting built, but Yeah, so I'm finally b- uh, building my own clinic.
• 54:02
  Clair: Um, it's a 4,500 square foot build out, um,
• 54:06
  Tyce: nice
• 54:07
  Clair: in Edmond.
• 54:08
  Clair: I guess I'll share where I live.
• 54:09
  Clair: K- I don't live in Edmond, work in Edmond, um, Oklahoma.
• 54:13
  Clair: So
• 54:13
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 54:15
  Clair: hopefully we'll be done before the end of the year, so
• 54:18
  Tyce: So are you gonna be the vet there?
• 54:19
  Tyce: Are you gonna hire on
• 54:20
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 54:22
  Clair: Um, I will be the primary vet initially, and then likely within, like, six months we'll hire someone,
• 54:28
  Tyce: help.
• 54:28
  Clair: the client base grows.
• 54:30
  Clair: Yeah.
• 54:30
  Clair: I mean, I'm, I'm gonna have seven exam rooms, so we can have, like, three or four doctors.
• 54:35
  Tyce: So okay, so you said lacerations, and then what was the oth- did we get to
• 54:40
  Clair: Oh, porcupines.
• 54:41
  Clair: Porcupines, yeah.
• 54:43
  Tyce: how we got off on por- the
• 54:44
  Clair: The quail tangent.
• 54:46
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 54:47
  Tyce: I would say the, I would say p- out here in the West, um, I would say lacerations, also fences, fence cuts, um, barbed wire.
• 54:56
  Tyce: I would say, sore, sore paws, you know, ch- chuckar hunting
• 55:02
  Clair: Mhm.
• 55:02
  Tyce: of rock, and there can be, like, lava rock and, um, where they'll blow out their pads.
• 55:06
  Tyce: Um, porcupines.
• 55:09
  Tyce: I've had a, I have had a dog myself up in Idaho hit a porcupine on the river waterfowl hunting.
• 55:15
  Tyce: Um, and then, uh, have you ever heard of marsh foot?
• 55:19
  Tyce: Do you know what that is?
• 55:20
  Tyce: heard of that word?
• 55:21
  Tyce: I don't even know if
• 55:23
  Clair: Mm, I haven't heard of marsh foot, but I could imagine it means something along the lines of being in water for a long time,
• 55:30
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 55:30
  Tyce: Well, the, I had a f-, I, I was just curious if you've heard of that one.
• 55:35
  Tyce: Um, but the marsh foot is
• 55:37
  Clair: Mm-mm.
• 55:37
  Tyce: uh, of what I, and I don't even know if that's the, like there's a this, that's a real term, but I had a, a client that, um, we have stuff called phragmite out here.
• 55:46
  Tyce: It's kind of a marsh, um, it grows around...
• 55:48
  Tyce: You know what a phrag is?
• 55:49
  Tyce: Have you ever heard of that plant?
• 55:52
  Clair: I haven't.
• 55:53
  Clair: No
• 55:53
  Tyce: it's some Asian plant.
• 55:54
  Tyce: It's kind of like bamboo and, and it was, it's an invasive specie out here in Utah, and it got into our lakes, and it's just, just taken over, and the state's spending millions of dollars trying to, like, clear it out, and it just kind of sucks up the wetlands, and super thick.
• 56:09
  Tyce: But anyways, it's all over the place and, uh, when they, you know, if it gets broken off, it's like a pencil that's hollow and it's just kind of there in the water, so if your retrievers are running
• 56:18
  Clair: Oh.
• 56:19
  Tyce: it
• 56:19
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 56:20
  Tyce: them sometimes in between their toes.
• 56:21
  Tyce: And a, a client's dog got stabbed in there, and it got some funky bacteria that just really swelled up the foot, and the vet called it marsh foot, but they had to get on some heavy steroid or antibiotic.
• 56:34
  Tyce: I don't know what it was for sure.
• 56:36
  Tyce: But I was just curious if you ever experienced that out there, but maybe, I don't know.
• 56:40
  Tyce: Oklahoma has a lot of marsh out there, I assume?
• 56:44
  Tyce: Or water, or no?
• 56:44
  Tyce: Is it
• 56:45
  Clair: Mm.
• 56:48
  Clair: I mean, I guess it depends on where you go.
• 56:50
  Clair: We don't have like...
• 56:53
  Clair: We've got like some lakes.
• 56:54
  Clair: Like, s- and I'm not a big duck hunter either, so,
• 56:57
  Tyce: you're
• 56:58
  Clair: probably places that I know like, yeah, like there's some public land spots where people fight over to duck hunt.
• 57:05
  Clair: Um, but I wouldn't say like a lot of standing timber or, um, like underwater timber, you know, places necessarily.
• 57:16
  Clair: But I've definitely never heard of that plant though.
• 57:18
  Clair: And I feel like I know a little more, uh, plant and tree stuff than most.
• 57:24
  Clair: So I
• 57:24
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 57:25
  Clair: it's, that must, maybe that's a regional thing,
• 57:27
  Tyce: we have cattail.
• 57:28
  Clair: fake bamboo plant.
• 57:30
  Tyce: P-H...
• 57:32
  Tyce: Yeah, P-H-R-A-G, it's phrag.
• 57:34
  Tyce: It's
• 57:34
  Clair: Okay.
• 57:34
  Tyce: It w- I think it was an ornamental grass, phragmite.
• 57:37
  Tyce: Uh, P-H-R,
• 57:39
  Clair: Interesting.
• 57:41
  Clair: Mm-hmm
• 57:42
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 57:43
  Tyce: So if you look that up, it's kinda all over here, and it's spread through-- it spreads underwater through the root system, and it spreads through seed.
• 57:50
  Tyce: It's just crazy how...
• 57:51
  Tyce: I mean, th-they're never gonna get rid of it.
• 57:53
  Tyce: But anyhow, it i-
• 57:56
  Clair: Yikes
• 57:56
  Tyce: is.
• 57:56
  Tyce: But I wanna get into your f- your...
• 57:59
  Tyce: I'm lo- I have on-- I'm looking up here on my computer.
• 58:01
  Tyce: I have your, uh, first aid kit here, your fir- your field first aid kit.
• 58:06
  Tyce: Um,
• 58:08
  Clair: Mhm.
• 58:08
  Tyce: I, and I, I d- I wanna ask this too.
• 58:10
  Tyce: When people buy your kit, by chance, do you have in there, like, most common things that happen to a dog and then, maybe how to address them?
• 58:21
  Tyce: Like a laceration.
• 58:22
  Tyce: Like how, if someone has a laceration, a, a lac- their, their dog cut themself on a fence, and they're like,"How do I this?" Do you by chance have any of that, or do you just recommend people go online and kinda Google it, or what, w- do you have any...
• 58:35
  Tyce: I was just curious in there if you have any directions on, like, the main things that you see happen, and this would-- how you would use the kit to address those things.
• 58:47
  Clair: So when they purchase a kit, they are emailed like a PDF, um, that has the different items that are in it, and then, uh, what they're for and how to use them.
• 59:01
  Clair: It doesn't have like a manual or a guide or anything.
• 59:05
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 59:05
  Clair: that's been something on the brain for a while, and that's when I started doing a lot more videos as well.
• 59:10
  Clair: It was like, hopefully...
• 59:12
  Clair: People typically in states of panic or triaging something like that, they're not gonna pause and like look at a, a paper handout.
• 59:21
  Tyce: Yeah, sure.
• 59:22
  Clair: and they may or may not have service on their phone.
• 59:24
  Clair: Um, and but hopefully they've got some memory of,"Oh yeah, that video I watched on her Instagram said to do blah, blah, blah." Like hopefully they're kind of doing some homework in advance.
• 59:37
  Clair: Um,
• 59:37
  Tyce: absolutely
• 59:38
  Clair: on the radar for me, is to maybe do like a how-to thing.
• 59:42
  Clair: Um, but if you're like me, I'm very, uh, visual, and so that's something that is hard to portray like on a document, if you will.
• 59:52
  Clair: But they do get a list and at least like just a brief bullet, some bullet points, um, over what each is for, so
• 1:00:02
  Tyce: Okay, good.
• 1:00:03
  Tyce: 'Cause I may, I mean, I know sometimes with first aid kits, I'm like,"What do I even use this for?" You know?
• 1:00:09
  Tyce: And so I, I ass- yeah, hopefully you
• 1:00:11
  Clair: Yeah
• 1:00:12
  Tyce: a list in there or something like,"This is typically used
• 1:00:15
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:16
  Tyce: or, or maybe like you said, there's...
• 1:00:18
  Tyce: It sounds like you have a PDF you can go and, you know, figure that out.
• 1:00:22
  Clair: Yeah, it
• 1:00:23
  Tyce: videos, and you showed how to, like, um, wrap a foot and all that stuff.
• 1:00:27
  Tyce: And
• 1:00:28
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:28
  Tyce: um, maybe let's just go through, like, iodine prep pads.
• 1:00:33
  Tyce: Let's kinda go just a brief overview, like what we'd use those for
• 1:00:40
  Clair: So just like to disinfect or clean, um, I actually replaced...
• 1:00:44
  Clair: I used to have little alcohol pads in there, um, and my thought was, well, you could use it to clean stuff.
• 1:00:52
  Clair: Maybe you could wipe paw pads for like hyperthermia or heatstroke.
• 1:00:56
  Clair: But we've got lots of literature now in the vet world that suggests that alcohol on paw pads does not dissipate heat like we used to think it does.
• 1:01:05
  Clair: Um, so that's one reason that I just got rid of those.
• 1:01:08
  Clair: And then secondly, the alcohol, um, I noticed after like so long, um, would evaporate.
• 1:01:15
  Clair: Like most of...
• 1:01:16
  Clair: pretty much all the items in the kit, it can stand to get to a pretty high temp, um, but the alcohol packets were evaporating.
• 1:01:25
  Tyce: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:26
  Clair: with the iodine, I mean, that could possibly happen, but most of the time people have some water, and those little pads can be rehydrated with some water.
• 1:01:37
  Clair: So that's why I switched to those.
• 1:01:38
  Clair: But mostly for disinfecting and cleaning.
• 1:01:40
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:01:41
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 1:01:42
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:01:42
  Clair: And the alcohol on an open wound burns
• 1:01:45
  Tyce: Burns, yeah.
• 1:01:47
  Clair: Mhm.
• 1:01:48
  Tyce: Iodine
• 1:01:48
  Clair: Ja.
• 1:01:49
  Tyce: too, can't it?
• 1:01:49
  Tyce: If it's too...
• 1:01:50
  Tyce: Is it, is it-- Are dogs sensitive to iodine if it's too pure of a concentration or no?
• 1:01:55
  Clair: I don't notice it...
• 1:01:58
  Clair: Yeah, like if it's not diluted, I don't really notice them having a...
• 1:02:03
  Clair: In the clinic when I use it to clean like open wounds, like bad, bad wounds,
• 1:02:07
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 1:02:08
  Clair: I don't really notice them.
• 1:02:09
  Clair: Usually if they're reacting, it's due to like the pressure of the cleaning taking place, not like the iodine.
• 1:02:16
  Clair: Um, you'll see a difference when like you're flushing it with some dilute iodine versus like wiping it out, so.
• 1:02:22
  Clair: But
• 1:02:22
  Tyce: Okay.
• 1:02:23
  Clair: just wanted something in the field kit.
• 1:02:26
  Clair: Everything in the field kit's also in the truck kit, but I wanted something in the field kit that would allow people, yeah, to just lightly clean something, and it's safe to be around like the eyes too
• 1:02:37
  Tyce: Okay.
• 1:02:38
  Tyce: Yeah, I mean, I have iodine on hand.
• 1:02:39
  Tyce: I've washed out cuts or wounds, and I'll usually put it down to like a tea colored, you know, thing, and I'll kind of squirt it in there and try to clean it out.
• 1:02:47
  Clair: Mhm.
• 1:02:47
  Tyce: Now, again, I'm not a vet, so I'm not sure if 100-- I've just kind of the stuff I've seen or learned, you know?
• 1:02:52
  Tyce: So, um, correct
• 1:02:55
  Clair: we actually, when I tell a tech to go mix up some iodine, well, when I tell a tech to go mix up some iodine, I usually will say,"Can you go make, make it tea colored?"
• 1:03:05
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 1:03:06
  Clair: Tea consistency.
• 1:03:07
  Clair: So yeah
• 1:03:08
  Tyce: learned by just going to vet's office with dogs.
• 1:03:10
  Tyce: I've seen things like,"Do this," and that.
• 1:03:12
  Tyce: I'm like,"Okay." I just make kind of a
• 1:03:14
  Clair: Probably watching.
• 1:03:14
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:15
  Tyce: Yeah, just
• 1:03:16
  Clair: Mm-hmm
• 1:03:17
  Tyce: neostat hemostatic dressing is the 4x4.
• 1:03:20
  Tyce: That's a, that...
• 1:03:22
  Tyce: Is that just like a, um, a pa- I don't...
• 1:03:24
  Tyce: I, I know what that...
• 1:03:26
  Tyce: What's that look like?
• 1:03:28
  Tyce: Is that a pa- That's just a, like, a gauze, right, type thing?
• 1:03:32
  Clair: It, well, it's thicker, it's thicker than traditional gauze.
• 1:03:36
  Clair: So it's actually, um, it's a basically like a clotting gauze.
• 1:03:40
  Clair: So if you shove it into a, um, profusely hemorrhaging wound, it's going to, um, become saturated in the blood and fluid and turn into like a collagen type, um, gel material.
• 1:03:57
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:57
  Clair: it promotes clotting, um, is how that works.
• 1:04:01
  Tyce: Hemostatic.
• 1:04:01
  Tyce: Hemo is, like, for blood, right?
• 1:04:04
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:04:05
  Clair: It means, like, to pause blood, basically.
• 1:04:07
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 1:04:08
  Tyce: Yeah
• 1:04:08
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:04:10
  Clair: Um, so I wanted something that if...
• 1:04:13
  Clair: So unfortunately, um, gunshots can be inevitable, and I just felt like I didn't have something to really address a gunshot wound.
• 1:04:20
  Clair: Um, so we added...
• 1:04:22
  Clair: That's one of the products that we added this year,
• 1:04:25
  Tyce: Mm-hmm
• 1:04:26
  Clair: the, um, NewStat, and it took me a while to find someone, a company that had a product that, uh, would be reliably available,'cause we hand pack all of these kits.
• 1:04:38
  Clair: And then secondly, would not force me to, like, raise the price to$40 or something because, um, you, you have to be able to pay for the product and then everything else, the business overhead.
• 1:04:52
  Clair: So,
• 1:04:52
  Tyce: Sure,
• 1:04:53
  Clair: we made a slight pri- price increase and added those products, and honestly, if you piece together everything in the kits, you're still gonna be far away from that price that they're offered at.
• 1:05:03
  Tyce: Awesome.
• 1:05:04
  Clair: but then secondly, we tacked on, um, it's called a conforming stretch gauze.
• 1:05:10
  Clair: So if you ever watch, like, um, oh, military trauma training or something, like, they'll be, um, feeding this, like, gauze into a wound to pack it.
• 1:05:20
  Clair: And
• 1:05:21
  Tyce: Oh,
• 1:05:21
  Clair: while we've got...
• 1:05:23
  Clair: There's some cast padding, which is like a cottony, um, more friable type material meant for padding around, um, a wound, like in my videos, but that's not ideal for, like, packing into a wound.
• 1:05:37
  Clair: It's very linty.
• 1:05:38
  Clair: It's very friable.
• 1:05:40
  Clair: So, like, the thought process was if we did have a really bad hemorrhaging wound, people shove that NewStat in there, take that gauze, and start feeding it in there and packing it, you know, accordion it on itself.
• 1:05:52
  Clair: And then it's easy to remove as well.
• 1:05:54
  Clair: You just grab the end of it, like, once you get somewhere, hopefully.
• 1:05:57
  Tyce: Sure.
• 1:05:59
  Clair: of course, all of this, like, would be followed by pressure in the form of, like, your hands if you can't wrap it, like if it's on the chest or, like, if it's a leg, um, wrapping around on top of it being packed.
• 1:06:10
  Clair: So,
• 1:06:11
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:12
  Clair: I, I did an interview talking about, like, gunshot trauma and, like, had recognized that, like, I just don't really feel like I, as a vet, I have lots of good stuff, um, that I carry.
• 1:06:25
  Clair: Um, but, like, as far as a layperson being able to deal with gunshot trauma, I just felt like that was something that the kits could improve on, and so that's why we added those this year.
• 1:06:34
  Tyce: Okay.
• 1:06:35
  Clair: yeah.
• 1:06:35
  Tyce: read through this, and people can see it on the website.
• 1:06:37
  Tyce: And I'm gonna kinda...
• 1:06:38
  Tyce: I mean, you have antiseptic towelettes, towelettes.
• 1:06:42
  Tyce: Um,
• 1:06:43
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:44
  Tyce: is that, is that gonna be for...
• 1:06:47
  Tyce: Now, that's obviously swelling, right?
• 1:06:48
  Tyce: Sting- I mean, b- is it bee stings?
• 1:06:50
  Tyce: Is it
• 1:06:51
  Clair: like an allergic reaction.
• 1:06:53
  Tyce: reaction?
• 1:06:53
  Tyce: Just bring
• 1:06:54
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:55
  Clair: Yeah, it's saying a histamine.
• 1:06:57
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:06:57
  Clair: So histamine gets released when you have allergic reactions.
• 1:07:00
  Clair: Um, so that's what that's for.
• 1:07:02
  Clair: I mean, it is people Benadryl, so
• 1:07:05
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 1:07:06
  Clair: can use it on your buddy
• 1:07:07
  Tyce: energy, I assume.
• 1:07:09
  Tyce: Energy
• 1:07:10
  Clair: Hypoglycemia, um, like if you're concerned your dog's blood sugar's getting low, there's a lot of ways.
• 1:07:17
  Clair: Yeah, you'll, you'll notice like, um, maybe decreased response to cues.
• 1:07:22
  Clair: They'll be kind of wobbly.
• 1:07:23
  Clair: Um, they might look pale.
• 1:07:26
  Tyce: Mm-hmm
• 1:07:26
  Clair: and honey packets, there's, there's lots of ways to get sugar in a dog, but the honey packets are like individual uses.
• 1:07:33
  Clair: They're easy to pack.
• 1:07:34
  Clair: Yeah, so yeah, you can steal more from your local diner, like
• 1:07:40
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 1:07:41
  Clair: do.
• 1:07:42
  Tyce: My cousin, uh, he, he's diabetic, and I remember when his
• 1:07:45
  Clair: Mm.
• 1:07:46
  Tyce: levels got too low and then we had to get some, sh- I, I don't even know the name of it, some glucose I think it what it was.
• 1:07:52
  Tyce: Just, just pure sugar in him, and as soon as he got that in
• 1:07:55
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:07:55
  Tyce: he, like, snapped right out of that diabetic
• 1:07:58
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:07:58
  Tyce: you know?
• 1:07:59
  Tyce: And so
• 1:07:59
  Clair: Yeah
• 1:08:00
  Tyce: how that could work for dogs that are working dogs obviously and getting their, their blood sugar levels getting too low, so.
• 1:08:07
  Tyce: Uh, quick stop powders, that's for blood, right?
• 1:08:10
  Tyce: Stopping blood, is that correct?
• 1:08:12
  Clair: Yeah, those are for like think smaller lesions, like an ear tip cut that you might have a hard time bandaging or a torn toenail or something like that
• 1:08:20
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:21
  Tyce: Cool.
• 1:08:21
  Tyce: Saline eye wash, obviously washing them out, washing their eyes out.
• 1:08:25
  Tyce: Tef- tef- telpha pad?
• 1:08:27
  Tyce: What's a telpha
• 1:08:28
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:29
  Clair: It is just like a lint-free absorbent pad that you would put on top of,
• 1:08:33
  Tyce: press onto a
• 1:08:34
  Clair: a wound.
• 1:08:35
  Clair: Yeah, put it on a wound, and that's like your first layer of your bandage, um, if you're putting one on
• 1:08:42
  Tyce: And then conforming stretch gauze, bandage roll, vet wrap.
• 1:08:45
  Tyce: I'll just kind of go with it.
• 1:08:46
  Tyce: You got a tourniquet, obviously
• 1:08:48
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:48
  Tyce: that would be for.
• 1:08:50
  Tyce: Bandage scissors.
• 1:08:51
  Tyce: Was, is that how you use, use the tourniquet?
• 1:08:53
  Tyce: No, was that forcep- or hemostats, that's what you, hemostats you use with the tourniquet, right?
• 1:08:58
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:08:59
  Clair: Yeah
• 1:09:00
  Tyce: So on Dr.
• 1:09:01
  Tyce: Maple's, uh, Instagram, I was watching, uh, she has some cool videos on how to do, uh, um, a, a tourniquet on a dog and using hemostats, and I watched that.
• 1:09:13
  Tyce: Luckily, I've never had to do a tourniquet, but that was some good information.
• 1:09:16
  Tyce: You have a lot of videos on there, and I'm sure you'll continue to post on how to
• 1:09:20
  Clair: Yeah
• 1:09:20
  Tyce: kits or how to take care of dogs in the field.
• 1:09:23
  Tyce: Is that correct?
• 1:09:25
  Clair: Yes, I've got a list in my phone that we're...
• 1:09:28
  Clair: And I'm, I'm such like a, I love sharing stuff.
• 1:09:30
  Clair: I'm trying to pace myself so with the content.
• 1:09:34
  Clair: I'm not made for Instagram.
• 1:09:36
  Tyce: Well, you'll probably see stuff when it
• 1:09:38
  Clair: Oh
• 1:09:38
  Tyce: o- your vet office.
• 1:09:39
  Tyce: You're like,"I gotta post about that one," right?
• 1:09:41
  Tyce: And I
• 1:09:42
  Clair: Yeah
• 1:09:42
  Tyce: at training, I'm like,"Oh, I gotta talk about that topic that, that dog, or, you
• 1:09:47
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:09:47
  Clair: Yeah
• 1:09:48
  Tyce: dog had," or whatever it may be.
• 1:09:50
  Tyce: me about the emergency blanket.
• 1:09:52
  Tyce: Is that like one of the, like, human-type emergency blankets when you get really cold, you jump into?
• 1:09:56
  Tyce: Is
• 1:09:57
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:09:57
  Tyce: of what that
• 1:09:58
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:09:58
  Tyce: the tin f-
• 1:09:59
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:09:59
  Tyce: tinfoil or aluminum?
• 1:10:00
  Clair: Like a, people call them space blankets sometimes.
• 1:10:03
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 1:10:04
  Clair: Yeah, that's what those are for.
• 1:10:06
  Clair: Yeah
• 1:10:06
  Tyce: S- so just if your dog gets too cold, to save, to, you know, I don't know, falls in the water, gets too cold, what, what, what do you
• 1:10:14
  Clair: Well,
• 1:10:15
  Tyce: being
• 1:10:15
  Clair: or even, um, honestly, I guess, yes, dogs can get too cold, uh, being in the water, but I think people notice that better because they're almost ex- they're, like, not expecting it to happen, but that's one of their top things they're watching for, is when your dog is being in the water.
• 1:10:33
  Clair: Um, I think when dogs are in the field, like your upland dogs, that's when we don't really expect them to get too cold, um, because they're running and moving.
• 1:10:42
  Tyce: Mm-hmm
• 1:10:42
  Clair: like, yeah, your duck dogs, you know, they're sitting in a blind with you or something, um, they're not moving.
• 1:10:47
  Clair: Like, we kinda...
• 1:10:48
  Clair: we're on high alert for them getting too cold, right?
• 1:10:51
  Clair: We're not as on high alert for our upland dogs, unfortunately.
• 1:10:54
  Clair: Um, and so if they do get too cold, uh, you still need to...
• 1:10:59
  Clair: I mean, you could be a few miles from the truck when that happens, depending on where and what you're doing, and so you need a way to i- initiate some heat support.
• 1:11:07
  Clair: Um, usually I tell people to wrap the blanket around the, the actual dog, and then if you can, sacrifice a layer.
• 1:11:17
  Clair: Yeah, and then, um, uh, pack'em back to the truck.
• 1:11:21
  Clair: So I do have a few friends who, um, like, they were not expecting their dog...
• 1:11:27
  Clair: and they have hairy dogs too.
• 1:11:29
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 1:11:30
  Tyce: Hmm
• 1:11:30
  Clair: they weren't expecting them to get too cold, but I mean, it can absolutely happen, so.
• 1:11:35
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 1:11:37
  Tyce: And then you got a slip leash, you got a muzzle.
• 1:11:39
  Tyce: I have worked on dogs when they have injuries, like say the one on a fence.
• 1:11:42
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:11:43
  Tyce: they may bite you when they're in pain.
• 1:11:45
  Tyce: They just don't know
• 1:11:47
  Clair: Mhm.
• 1:11:47
  Tyce: going on, right?
• 1:11:48
  Tyce: They're freaking out.
• 1:11:49
  Tyce: Their, their,
• 1:11:49
  Clair: Mhm.
• 1:11:50
  Tyce: going, and if you're trying to with something that hurts, they may bite at your hand or whatever.
• 1:11:56
  Tyce: I assume that's what the muzzle is
• 1:11:57
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:11:59
  Tyce: Yep.
• 1:11:59
  Clair: Yes, like if you're trying, um...
• 1:12:02
  Clair: So Final Rise vest, they have the neat, um, ability for you to be able to strap your dog, um, like in the bird bag area, and so like, but if your dog is really painful, I mean, you kinda have to have your hands on that dog quite a bit to get him in there.
• 1:12:17
  Clair: I have done it myself, and,
• 1:12:19
  Tyce: Mhm
• 1:12:19
  Clair: if they are, you know, something is wrong or they're painful, then they're not necessarily trying to bite you, they're trying to bite what's causing the pain,
• 1:12:27
  Tyce: Sure.
• 1:12:27
  Tyce: Yeah,
• 1:12:28
  Clair: they are not able to comprehend.
• 1:12:29
  Clair: It's like
• 1:12:31
  Tyce: yeah.
• 1:12:31
  Tyce: Yeah
• 1:12:31
  Clair: nothing like, uh, that they could bite that's causing the pain.
• 1:12:35
  Clair: It's the injury, the injury itself.
• 1:12:38
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:12:38
  Clair: So,
• 1:12:40
  Tyce: They just kinda want
• 1:12:40
  Clair: the slip lead,
• 1:12:42
  Tyce: yeah.
• 1:12:43
  Clair: just a natural reaction, yeah, to, to bite whatever is hurting or in the direction of what's hurting.
• 1:12:49
  Clair: Um, and then the slip lead is like, let's say you do have a dog with a face full of quills, and, um, you're trying to get, um, quills out, but you can't put a traditional muzzle over him, so you can use a slip lead to make a muzzle.
• 1:13:04
  Clair: I actually just recorded some videos yesterday about how to do that.
• 1:13:08
  Clair: So that'll be up.
• 1:13:10
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:13:11
  Tyce: yeah
• 1:13:11
  Clair: How to wrap the mouth, put the muzzle on, how to restrain them, like, on the ground if you're helping someone without...
• 1:13:16
  Clair: and not get bit.
• 1:13:17
  Clair: So that's up next.
• 1:13:21
  Tyce: it sounds like, uh, yeah, there's a lot...
• 1:13:23
  Tyce: Uh, you'd recommend people watching...
• 1:13:26
  Tyce: I mean, sounds like you're gonna have a lot of videos on your social media,
• 1:13:29
  Clair: Mhm.
• 1:13:29
  Tyce: be cool for people to be able to get on there and find those.
• 1:13:32
  Tyce: How much does the kit weigh about?
• 1:13:34
  Tyce: Do you know total weight by chance?
• 1:13:36
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:13:37
  Clair: The field kit weighs, um, a
• 1:13:40
  Tyce: kit
• 1:13:41
  Clair: one pound and I think almost, uh, 10 ounces.
• 1:13:45
  Tyce: Okay.
• 1:13:46
  Tyce: Feels like
• 1:13:47
  Clair: So like, yeah, nothing.
• 1:13:49
  Clair: I had to weigh, like yester- literally yesterday is when I launched the new, the new kits, and so I had to weigh it yesterday for shipping purposes and stuff.
• 1:13:57
  Clair: So yeah,
• 1:13:58
  Tyce: Oh,
• 1:13:58
  Clair: a pound and a couple ounces.
• 1:14:00
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 1:14:01
  Tyce: 'Cause if
• 1:14:01
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:14:02
  Tyce: and that, I mean, you're hunting, you know, around here we got pretty steep mountains and chukar country and, and, uh, that, you
• 1:14:08
  Clair: Mhm.
• 1:14:09
  Tyce: does play a role, so that's I didn't, I don't know if I saw weight on your site unless I'm missing it, but,
• 1:14:14
  Clair: I think in the b- in the bottom it talks about, like, just weighing a little over a pound or something.
• 1:14:21
  Clair: I think I do have it on there, I believe.
• 1:14:24
  Clair: But yeah, the weight thing was super important to me, and a lot of my buddies, it's like they forget that I'm 130 pound, like, petite female.
• 1:14:32
  Clair: Um, and so, like, I- my vest, uh, is carrying just as much stuff as them, like water bottles.
• 1:14:41
  Clair: I carry, um, uh, oh, um, cable cutters, um, in my vest.
• 1:14:47
  Clair: They just
• 1:14:48
  Tyce: I didn't see that, but I figured that's probably just, you know, people
• 1:14:52
  Clair: Yeah, that's kind of something specific to
• 1:14:54
  Tyce: cable cutters.
• 1:14:55
  Tyce: Some people are really new to dogs, you know.
• 1:14:58
  Clair: Well, just like in my situation, like when my dog got strung up in the fence, um,
• 1:15:03
  Tyce: Good
• 1:15:03
  Clair: or for, for traps, um, like snares, that's the main thing.
• 1:15:08
  Clair: We don't really have that problem here, but,
• 1:15:10
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 1:15:11
  Clair: you never know, so
• 1:15:12
  Tyce: never encountered it too here, and, uh, people aren't gonna be snaring very much in checker country, but it, it could happen.
• 1:15:18
  Tyce: So you know,
• 1:15:19
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:15:19
  Tyce: would- it's a good practice to carry those things on,
• 1:15:22
  Clair: Yeah
• 1:15:22
  Tyce: hand for sure.
• 1:15:24
  Tyce: Um, I
• 1:15:25
  Clair: Well, the pers...
• 1:15:27
  Tyce: Oh, go ahead, sorry.
• 1:15:28
  Clair: I was gonna say the percentage of, so the weight was very important, um, because looking at how much my vest weighs and what percentage it is of my body weight compared to my friends who might be pushing like 200 pound, like a 200-pound dude, and then like the 25-pound vest will like, for me, that's like a fifth of my body weight.
• 1:15:50
  Clair: Yeah, whereas him it's like 10%, so it's a lot.
• 1:15:55
  Clair: Like that small amount makes a big difference.
• 1:15:57
  Clair: Like if I even carry a third bottle of water I notice it after a while.
• 1:16:03
  Clair: So it makes a difference.
• 1:16:05
  Clair: Doesn't matter how much you train or anything, like
• 1:16:07
  Tyce: Yeah
• 1:16:08
  Clair: packing a quarter of my body weight at all times, if, if not more, so.
• 1:16:12
  Tyce: and these first aid kits, they're really designed to get your dog off the mountain to a vet, right?
• 1:16:17
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:16:18
  Tyce: necessarily the end all.
• 1:16:19
  Tyce: They could be.
• 1:16:20
  Tyce: I mean, you, you
• 1:16:21
  Clair: Right
• 1:16:22
  Tyce: and get it and be good enough and, but I'm sure it's more of like, it's first aid, let's get him, let's get him out of the field, get him to a, get things stopped, you know?
• 1:16:31
  Tyce: It's like, and then, uh, get him to the vet's office to do the, the final care.
• 1:16:36
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:16:37
  Clair: Or just, or back to the truck, um,
• 1:16:39
  Tyce: to the truck, yeah.
• 1:16:41
  Clair: like if it's something mild, yeah.
• 1:16:43
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 1:16:44
  Clair: ask, I haven't- I think the, the crowd of people that has asked about it has, um, they know my answer at this point with how long the business has been in force, but, like,"Why don't you have a stapler in your field kit?" Well, um, this is a future video I recorded yesterday as well.
• 1:17:00
  Clair: It's like, are you gonna carry everything to clean that wound?
• 1:17:03
  Clair: Uh, like
• 1:17:04
  Tyce: yep,
• 1:17:05
  Clair: staple dirty wounds, you know.
• 1:17:07
  Clair: Um, go take, go to the truck and clean it, deal with it, um, and then if you wanna staple it, do it.
• 1:17:14
  Clair: But, um, that's why.
• 1:17:16
  Clair: So-
• 1:17:17
  Tyce: that's a g- well, that's a good point to have.
• 1:17:18
  Tyce: So would you-- I mean, ideally people would have the field kit and then the tr- then the truck kit, right?
• 1:17:23
  Tyce: So you can kinda get
• 1:17:24
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:17:25
  Clair: I would recommend both for sure.\
• 1:17:27
  Tyce: Okay, so I think we were talking about...
• 1:17:29
  Tyce: We're here with Dr., Maple and, and we're talking about the field kit and, uh, and the weight of it, and that sounds awesome.
• 1:17:38
  Tyce: Um, you know, I'll be honest, I'm, I'm kinda, I'm like you.
• 1:17:42
  Tyce: I kinda wing it.
• 1:17:43
  Tyce: I just kinda...
• 1:17:43
  Tyce: I guess I'm an optimist, and I just hope my dogs don't get injured.
• 1:17:47
  Tyce: Uh, but that's, that's where probably a lot of people are, you know, until something happens and they're like,"Crap, I should've had some- something on hand," you know?
• 1:17:56
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:17:56
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:17:58
  Tyce: But tell us the difference between the field...
• 1:18:00
  Tyce: The truck kit obviously just has more, more things to it.
• 1:18:04
  Tyce: Is it that...
• 1:18:05
  Tyce: Does it have all the field kit plus the extra stuff, or do you recommend people buying both, or is it kinda they complement each other?
• 1:18:13
  Tyce: Where, where are we at on...
• 1:18:14
  Tyce: What are we at?
• 1:18:16
  Tyce: you
• 1:18:16
  Clair: So
• 1:18:16
  Tyce: those?
• 1:18:17
  Clair: I do recommend people buy both, and the reason for that is I used to not feel that way, but then with myself, I was taking...
• 1:18:29
  Clair: Like, I had hemostats that I had taken out of my, um, field kit, and'cause I was like,"Well, I'm hunting.
• 1:18:36
  Clair: I'm gonna have my vest.
• 1:18:37
  Clair: I'm gonna have my truck where my kit lives all the time." Um, and but I had taken them out of the truck to pick out, like, cactus or something and left them in my, like, truck kit, and then I'm out in the field, and my dog's got a cactus that I couldn't just...
• 1:18:53
  Clair: or something, sticker I couldn't pull out easy with my fingers, and I go to look for the hemostats, and they're not in my pouch.
• 1:19:00
  Clair: Um, so it was like, once again, a moment of like,"Well, this is stupid, Claire." So, um, ever since then, I just encourage people, just spend the extra money, have both, um, especially if you hunt a lot because it's inevitable you're gonna end up mix-matching, and you're not gonna have something, and you're gonna be kicking yourself.
• 1:19:21
  Clair: So yeah,
• 1:19:23
  Tyce: Well, and maybe you don't
• 1:19:24
  Clair: I do recommend both
• 1:19:25
  Tyce: you could potentially pull some stuff from your truck kit and put it in your field kit if you wanted some of that extra stuff.
• 1:19:31
  Tyce: Maybe like a stapler or
• 1:19:33
  Clair: You could
• 1:19:34
  Tyce: I am a bigger guy.
• 1:19:35
  Tyce: I wanna take my stapler me," or something potentially
• 1:19:40
  Clair: Well, but are you gonna take the flush with you and the chlorhexidine and the gauze and things like that?
• 1:19:45
  Clair: No.
• 1:19:46
  Tyce: got a
• 1:19:46
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:19:47
  Clair: Yeah, so don't do that.
• 1:19:49
  Tyce: that's true.
• 1:19:50
  Tyce: So don't do that.
• 1:19:51
  Tyce: Don't do what I
• 1:19:52
  Clair: w-
• 1:19:52
  Tyce: but yeah.
• 1:19:55
  Clair: everything...
• 1:19:56
  Tyce: a dog trainer, but I have, I, I, when I have, I have stapled
• 1:19:59
  Clair: people
• 1:20:00
  Tyce: clean them and cl- try to keep the
• 1:20:02
  Clair: They want that emotional support stapler.
• 1:20:05
  Clair: They want that like,"If I have a stapler, I have the power of God with me," it's what some people feel like, and that is just not the case.
• 1:20:12
  Clair: Um, it's not.
• 1:20:14
  Clair: So
• 1:20:15
  Tyce: before you staple your animal
• 1:20:16
  Clair: yes, yes, yes.
• 1:20:19
  Clair: Um, you, you also need to have a staple remover with you, so if you, like if the dog flinches or you, um, get one that's not a p- that's doing nothing and you just get it on one side of the cut, you can promptly take it out.
• 1:20:31
  Clair: The stapler, it crimps the staples into a C.
• 1:20:34
  Clair: You can't just like pluck them out.
• 1:20:36
  Clair: You have to crimp them out.
• 1:20:37
  Clair: So, um, but
• 1:20:39
  Tyce: like the finished thing, right?
• 1:20:40
  Tyce: It's like we're, now the wound is ready to go back
• 1:20:43
  Clair: Yes.
• 1:20:43
  Tyce: now let's staple it
• 1:20:44
  Clair: Yes.
• 1:20:45
  Clair: And everything in the field kit, the reason what's in the field kit is in it is because over the last several years, I have not felt like I needed anything else.
• 1:20:55
  Clair: I haven't.
• 1:20:56
  Tyce: Yeah, yeah, sure.
• 1:20:57
  Clair: and, um, I mean, people know, like, I hunt all over.
• 1:21:02
  Clair: I...
• 1:21:03
  Clair: Firm believer in walking to find birds, so, but I have yet to be in a situation where I felt like I needed more.
• 1:21:10
  Tyce: Mm-hmm
• 1:21:10
  Clair: so I'm pretty content with that.
• 1:21:12
  Clair: Um, the only thing that's, some people have made comments about being in the field kit that they feel like is unnecessary is the whole bottle of eye wash.
• 1:21:22
  Clair: Um, but the alternative are little ampoules that are, like, single use only, um, and not much volume.
• 1:21:30
  Clair: I-
• 1:21:30
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 1:21:31
  Clair: also, you can use that eye wash for other things.
• 1:21:34
  Clair: You can use it to flush out a wound to, like, visualize what's happening.
• 1:21:37
  Clair: My dog, I think she had a seed in her ear or something, and she was running around and just constantly shaking her head, um, like something was bothering her.
• 1:21:46
  Clair: I couldn't see anything in there, so I finally squirted some ear flush in there, massaged her ear, let her go, and it shook, she shook whatever was in there out.
• 1:21:55
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:21:55
  Clair: So
• 1:21:56
  Tyce: Okay.
• 1:21:57
  Clair: particular instance is why I was like,"No, we're keeping the eye wash.
• 1:22:00
  Clair: I don't care who complains." Which honestly, that's just, like, a couple people that are like,"Do we really need this?"
• 1:22:05
  Tyce: Yeah,
• 1:22:06
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:22:07
  Tyce: nothing, so, um
• 1:22:10
  Clair: in there, I've not felt like I've missed anything, truthfully, so
• 1:22:14
  Tyce: I'm just looking at, looking it over and looking at the different things that I've kinda used when I've encountered stuff.
• 1:22:21
  Tyce: I mean, it covers, yeah, a broad range of things.
• 1:22:24
  Tyce: Um,
• 1:22:25
  Clair: Mhm.
• 1:22:25
  Tyce: that's really cool is a lot of us have-- a lot of people have buddies that have dogs, but they don't have dogs, and they're like,"Man, I'd love to give back to my buddy that takes me hunting and lets me hunt around his dogs." And so I think this is a cool gift that you could potentially give to your buddy that, you know, has,
• 1:22:46
  Clair: Mhm.
• 1:22:46
  Tyce: has helped you out, right?
• 1:22:48
  Tyce: So,
• 1:22:49
  Clair: Mhm.
• 1:22:49
  Tyce: like myself, I don't really have a good first aid kit.
• 1:22:53
  Tyce: I have kinda things around like staplers, kinda probably kinda how you were previous to, you know, you had a bunch of things.
• 1:23:00
  Tyce: You were a little bit dangerous with stuff.
• 1:23:02
  Tyce: But this is just nice, organized.
• 1:23:04
  Tyce: You have everything that there, so, um, you have everything in one place, so when you do have an issue, you can address the situation.
• 1:23:12
  Tyce: And so I really, I really like this idea, and I, I would like-- I wanna get both, you know, the field and the truck kit just for myself and being around my dogs and client dogs.
• 1:23:21
  Tyce: It's just, it's nice to have everything organized.
• 1:23:24
  Tyce: And kind of funny, my wife, actually, my daughter wrecked on her dirt bike, and my wife, like, went to town and bought, like, this huge kit and put all this.
• 1:23:32
  Tyce: She's, like, basically building for our family kinda the same type thing
• 1:23:36
  Clair: Yeah
• 1:23:37
  Tyce: kinda had stuff randomly everywhere.
• 1:23:39
  Tyce: And then when my daughter wrecked, we're like,"Oh, crap, where's this, and where's this?" You know, and
• 1:23:43
  Clair: Yeah
• 1:23:43
  Tyce: piece it together.
• 1:23:45
  Tyce: So I think this is an awesome gift that
• 1:23:47
  Clair: Yeah
• 1:23:47
  Tyce: and send to your hunting buddy, and he'll be like,"Dude, this, like, so appreciative." He'll, he'll probably take you hunting more.
• 1:23:55
  Clair: Yeah,
• 1:23:56
  Tyce: So
• 1:23:57
  Clair: Definitely a way to get on their good side
• 1:24:00
  Tyce: Well, let's wrap it up.
• 1:24:01
  Tyce: Anything else you want the audience to know about, uh, Paradigm Sporting Dog and your first aid kits?
• 1:24:07
  Tyce: Or tell us where they can find you, how they can order them.
• 1:24:10
  Tyce: Are you guys...
• 1:24:10
  Tyce: Are they on back order?
• 1:24:11
  Tyce: Is everything in stock?
• 1:24:12
  Tyce: Give us a little brief overview there
• 1:24:15
  Clair: So we are, um, uh, in stock, um, and we'll be continually adding to inventory, so we always have, like, a busy surge right before a season starts.
• 1:24:27
  Tyce: Okay.
• 1:24:27
  Tyce: Yeah,
• 1:24:27
  Clair: but the new, new truck kits and the new field kits are available, and people can order them from our website, um, paradigmsportingdog.com, and, um, they can get redirected there if they'd prefer via Facebook or Instagram as well
• 1:24:44
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 1:24:45
  Tyce: Okay, cool.
• 1:24:46
  Tyce: And then if-- I noticed online, on your website too, you had something where they could replenish the kit.
• 1:24:51
  Tyce: I think it was...
• 1:24:52
  Tyce: I didn't dive into the-- but with some gauze or something like that.
• 1:24:55
  Tyce: Do you guys sell stuff to replenish it, or what do you recommend when people use things?
• 1:24:59
  Tyce: Just kinda piece it back together, maybe stuff they find online, or what would you recommend there?
• 1:25:06
  Clair: So it's kinda up to them.
• 1:25:08
  Clair: Um, we do have a bandage refill kit, and then, um, we have not launched it yet, but we're working on refill kit, uh, subscriptions
• 1:25:20
  Tyce: Oh,
• 1:25:20
  Clair: so that people, when they buy their kit, if they wanna just set it and forget it, um, let's say you buy it, like, this year and, um, you want just a refill of stuff come next year, you just set it to be shipped.
• 1:25:35
  Clair: Um, it's pretty much gonna consist of a lot of the disposables that most people use.
• 1:25:40
  Clair: Um, and so in a year
• 1:25:42
  Tyce: people pick and choose, or is that something you're just like,"Hey, this is the common stuff that gets, needs to be replaced"?
• 1:25:50
  Clair: Um, probably just do the most common stuff,
• 1:25:53
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 1:25:53
  Clair: that people...
• 1:25:54
  Clair: that will maybe expire, maybe evaporate, or that we know is gonna get used up.
• 1:25:59
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 1:26:00
  Clair: then we will kinda trial and error that, like from, you know, as feedback comes in.
• 1:26:06
  Clair: Um, but yeah, you can set it to ship every three months, every six months.
• 1:26:09
  Clair: Like, I have some outfitters and guides that have bought my stuff, and so they're naturally gonna go through things, um, really quickly.
• 1:26:17
  Clair: One of the things that I was big on with the truck kit is making sure there was enough bandage material because a lot of your commercial first aid kits just have enough bandage material for a bandage, and I wanted people to have enough for multiple bandages throughout.
• 1:26:32
  Clair: Like the, the phrase is like,"Built to last all season, not just a weekend," um, is the goal.
• 1:26:39
  Clair: And but your guides and dog- like people with a big string of dogs are gonna go through that a lot quicker.
• 1:26:44
  Clair: Um, so
• 1:26:45
  Tyce: And worst case scenario, you have two or three extra, but, and if you need to use them, you have them instead of
• 1:26:51
  Clair: Mhm.
• 1:26:51
  Tyce: It's always better to have more than less,
• 1:26:54
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:26:54
  Tyce: for sure.
• 1:26:56
  Clair: Yeah, so, um, but we are hoping, hoping to launch that within a month or so this...
• 1:27:02
  Tyce: think?
• 1:27:03
  Clair: Probably within the next month or so,
• 1:27:05
  Tyce: Okay
• 1:27:06
  Clair: trying to buckle down.
• 1:27:07
  Clair: The goal, the goal is before September, but I also have a local seminar this weekend, so we're just trying to get to the weekend
• 1:27:13
  Tyce: You
• 1:27:13
  Clair: at
• 1:27:13
  Tyce: lot, a
• 1:27:14
  Clair: this point
• 1:27:15
  Tyce: Yeah,
• 1:27:15
  Clair: the seminar done and yeah.
• 1:27:18
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:27:18
  Clair: So, um,
• 1:27:20
  Tyce: Well, we'll
• 1:27:20
  Clair: but
• 1:27:21
  Tyce: uh, we'll wrap her up.
• 1:27:22
  Tyce: I know we've been on here for a little while and talking dogs.
• 1:27:25
  Tyce: I, I really appreciate you coming onto the podcast and sharing a little bit about you and your history, and, and I mean, we c- there's so much more you could obviously talk about when it comes to dogs, and, and, uh, I feel like we kinda scraped the surface on wound care and all that stuff.
• 1:27:40
  Tyce: But, you know, y- I think people I would recommend going to your social media.
• 1:27:45
  Tyce: You can find a lot there.
• 1:27:46
  Tyce: Um, she, she demonstrates a lot on there how to take care of different, um, scenarios with their dogs.
• 1:27:52
  Tyce: So I thought that was cool.
• 1:27:54
  Tyce: And, um, and then yeah, I would recommend just if you're listening and you don't have a first aid kit yet for your dog, check out paradigm Sporting Dog.
• 1:28:02
  Tyce: I
• 1:28:02
  Clair: dog.
• 1:28:04
  Tyce: Um, but go ahead and order one of those kits, and I, you know, and, and you'll And it's kinda one of those things you, like, don't necessarily For me personally, it's like I don't wanna You don't love to spend money on it, but it's like you gotta have it,
• 1:28:16
  Clair: Mhm.
• 1:28:16
  Tyce: kinda like a gun,
• 1:28:17
  Clair: Mhm.
• 1:28:18
  Tyce: case, like, or a gun safe.
• 1:28:20
  Tyce: Like, people don't necessarily wanna buy a gun safe, but it's like,
• 1:28:22
  Clair: Yeah
• 1:28:23
  Tyce: nice when someone breaks into your house, you have a gun safe,
• 1:28:25
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:28:26
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:28:27
  Clair: Well, and when people buy it, like, they need to open that PDF that gets emailed and just review it, like open it and look at it.
• 1:28:35
  Clair: Um, I'm s- always surprised that, um, the people...
• 1:28:38
  Clair: Like, they'll just literally open it, take the lid off, and then they're like,"Huh, cool, there's a lot of stuff in here." And then they don't, like, actually look at what's in there.
• 1:28:46
  Tyce: Yeah.
• 1:28:47
  Clair: so open it, inspect it.
• 1:28:49
  Clair: Yeah, look at what's in there and make sure you know what it's for, and then if you don't...
• 1:28:53
  Clair: And if people have questions, um, we're very responsive on Instagram and Facebook,
• 1:28:58
  Tyce: Good to know.
• 1:28:59
  Clair: like within a couple days at least, if not sooner.
• 1:29:03
  Clair: And then we also have a email contact form, so, um, if, if they email us off the website, like I'm, I'm the one that responds to those.
• 1:29:12
  Tyce: Mm-hmm.
• 1:29:12
  Clair: um, I, I f- want people to be...
• 1:29:15
  Clair: I want to be reachable to the customer base,
• 1:29:18
  Tyce: Cool
• 1:29:19
  Clair: reason obviously, but yeah.
• 1:29:20
  Clair: So
• 1:29:22
  Tyce: That's the benefit of having, supporting a small business like Dr.
• 1:29:25
  Clair: Mhm.
• 1:29:25
  Tyce: that's just cool.
• 1:29:26
  Tyce: It's a small community, and it helps you out and helps everyone out.
• 1:29:29
  Tyce: And, you know, a side note, I just actually thought about this.
• 1:29:33
  Tyce: A lot of this stuff you can, I'm sure, use on humans too, you
• 1:29:37
  Clair: Yes.
• 1:29:38
  Clair: Yes
• 1:29:39
  Tyce: like you're taking care of your dog, but if you got cut, like, well, you have stuff there for yourself.
• 1:29:45
  Tyce: And how often do we trip down a mountain chucker hunting or cut yourself on a barbed wire fence?
• 1:29:51
  Tyce: And so a dog's a living animal.
• 1:29:53
  Tyce: We're a living thing too, so you could use probably, I would, just shooting from the hip, probably 90% of this on a human.
• 1:30:00
  Clair: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:01
  Clair: It's funny you bring that up because there is a guy that bought one of my truck kits, and while that little, like, dinky latex tourniquet is just, there's nothing to it, he claims that that saved his life because a kid, um, he was teaching to run a chainsaw dropped a chainsaw on his foot.
• 1:30:21
  Tyce: Holy cow
• 1:30:21
  Clair: and he apparently told the kid to go get the orange box in my truck'cause he knew there was a little tourniquet in there.
• 1:30:27
  Clair: And so, um, I don't know about, like, entirely saving his life, but, um, it probably stopped some blood loss.
• 1:30:34
  Clair: So anyway, that He needs He's, like, the spokesperson for, um, the, like, one health aspect of the canine first aid kit.
• 1:30:42
  Tyce: That's awesome.
• 1:30:44
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:30:44
  Tyce: That's a,
• 1:30:45
  Clair: Yeah.
• 1:30:45
  Tyce: story, so.
• 1:30:47
  Clair: Yeah
• 1:30:48
  Tyce: wrap it up, folks.
• 1:30:49
  Tyce: Thanks, Dr.
• 1:30:50
  Tyce: Maples, for coming on.
• 1:30:51
  Tyce: Really appreciate your time, and again, check out paradigm sportingdog.com.
• 1:30:56
  Tyce: That's where you can find the products, and also on social media@sportingdo- uh, paradigm sportingdog, right?
• 1:31:03
  Tyce: That's your
• 1:31:04
  Clair: Yes.
• 1:31:05
  Tyce: your username there.
• 1:31:06
  Clair: Mm-hmm.
• 1:31:06
  Clair: Yes
• 1:31:07
  Tyce: thank you for your time, and, uh, everyone have a great day.
• 1:31:10
  Tyce: Keep getting after training those dogs.
• 1:31:13
  Tyce: The hunts are right here around the corner.
• 1:31:15
  Tyce: We're just a couple weeks out.
• 1:31:16
  Tyce: And, uh, be safe, and, uh, we'll see you in the next podcast