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ICE is Becoming Too Big to Control · IndieNewsNow LIVE! Clips

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  SPEAKER_00: Who are these people?
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  SPEAKER_01: Before I do that, we're going to talk about what's happening with ICE.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I have now been making these thumbnails and I'm kind of proud of this one.
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  SPEAKER_01: I put the whole logo behind an ICE cube.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it getting too big to control?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's really what we're talking about here.
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  SPEAKER_01: No Jesse Clips.
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  SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what you mean.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: Sure there's Jesse Clips.
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  SPEAKER_01: On Instagram, there are other places.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't do the Jesse Clip show anymore.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: There's like, we don't do enough shows to really justify having a show for the Clips very often.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mixed them every which way at 45 of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, I want to talk about ICE.
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  SPEAKER_01: Two specific things with regard to the money that they are now receiving.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let me zoom in here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Reichlin Melnick, we've talked about him before.
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  SPEAKER_01: He is an immigration attorney who has been focused on what's been happening
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  SPEAKER_01: with private prisons and ICE and all the lockups and the deportations.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he's been fighting hard to try to prevent these deportations.
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  SPEAKER_01: He shared somebody else's tweet from Andrea Castillo,
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  SPEAKER_01: she's an LA Times reporter,
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  SPEAKER_01: that CoreCivic had sold two more detention centers to Homeland Security in Minnesota
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  SPEAKER_01: and Kansas for $734 million.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the company said that more sales were possible.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, what's happening here,
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  SPEAKER_01: and he'll get to this in a second,
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  SPEAKER_01: is that ICE has now spent over $2.2 billion on purchasing just four private prisons
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  SPEAKER_01: from CoreCivic at a profit to the company of over half a billion dollars.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, it's like they're handing this money to ICE,
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  SPEAKER_01: who's then handing this money to private prisons.
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  SPEAKER_01: But here's the rub.
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  SPEAKER_01: ICE doesn't actually operate the facilities.
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  SPEAKER_01: CoreCivic gets paid to run them for the foreseeable future.
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  SPEAKER_01: So...
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  SPEAKER_01: Why did we need to buy those prisons?
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because you can't protest at federal property because it's federal.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: Then you can call in National Guard, federal troops.
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  SPEAKER_01: But if it's a private prison operating on a federal contract, different rules.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's part of why I believe they are making these purchases.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then hiring...
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  SPEAKER_01: The private prison companies to run the facility.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's literally no change to them, except that it's now owned by ICE, by the federal government.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, here's the story.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: We've brought some articles from Steve Semler before.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: I like his stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: He does wish for Democrats to be good.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of people that seem to suffer from that.
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  SPEAKER_01: They can't seem to get over the fact that they never will be.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he's also seen,
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  SPEAKER_01: and we've all seen,
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  SPEAKER_01: what the Republicans have done once they've gotten in pushing their agenda,
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  SPEAKER_01: their Project 2025 agenda, that a lot of us thought was bullshit.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we didn't dismiss it necessarily.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was the Heritage Foundation plan that we knew was the Republicans' wish list.
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  SPEAKER_01: What we did not know was that Trump was literally going
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  SPEAKER_01: to start implementing every single thing on the wish list simultaneously and putting
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  SPEAKER_01: the people who created this Project 2025 in charge of major portions of
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  SPEAKER_01: the government, like Russell Vogt.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, ICE is sitting on $100 billion.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's in cash, by the way.
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  SPEAKER_01: In this newsletter, ICE can't spend its budget fast enough.
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  SPEAKER_01: So here's what's going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Since last July, ICE has received two windfalls.
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  SPEAKER_01: Last July 4th,
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  SPEAKER_01: they got $75 billion through the One Big Beautiful Act,
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  SPEAKER_01: which was since renamed due to its unpopularity.
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  SPEAKER_01: That included $45 billion for prisons and another almost $30 billion for recruitment and hiring.
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  SPEAKER_01: At least, those were the stated purposes for the funds in the legislative text.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Trump admin has a lot of discretion of how it uses them.
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  SPEAKER_01: What a surprise.
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  SPEAKER_01: For example,
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  SPEAKER_01: in March,
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  SPEAKER_01: the admin apportioned $465 million from recruitment and hiring
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  SPEAKER_01: to buy ICE eight Boeing 737 passenger airplanes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And two luxury Gulfstream G650 private jets.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those are like the souped up luxury executive jets, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Which are said to provide a seamless blend of privacy,
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  SPEAKER_01: efficiency,
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  SPEAKER_01: and indulgence for executives, celebrities, and high net worth individuals.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_01: Why is the federal government buying planes catering to celebrities
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  SPEAKER_01: and high net worth individuals?
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, this June,
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  SPEAKER_01: they got another $39 billion from this Secure America Act,
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  SPEAKER_01: including $7.5 billion for hiring and training,
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  SPEAKER_01: and another $31.1 billion for salaries, equipment, facilities, and operations.
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  SPEAKER_01: $31 billion for facilities.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of fucking facilities.
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  SPEAKER_01: Operations include Section 287G,
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  SPEAKER_01: the program that leverages federal incentives or money to deputize state
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  SPEAKER_01: and local police to perform ICE functions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Both bills passed in party line votes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Republicans voted for it, Democrats voted against it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure there were several Democrats that crossed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Two bills, $100 billion in unused funds.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, by the time I received that $39 billion from that second reconciliation bill,
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  SPEAKER_01: it still had $61 billion left over from the first one,
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  SPEAKER_01: which had passed almost a year earlier.
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  SPEAKER_01: They couldn't spend more than $40 billion in a year.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now they're sitting on a $100 billion war chest of unused funds,
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  SPEAKER_01: according to the latest budget execution report from the OMB.
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  SPEAKER_01: The agency has used just 12% of the funding provided by the two GOP reconciliation bills.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what that means is get to spending, fuckers.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what that tells me.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're just going to be on a spending spree.
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  SPEAKER_01: So part of that includes buying these facilities,
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  SPEAKER_01: federalizing them, and then paying CoreCivic out of that money to run them.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's why they have all that money.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those salaries are actually now being reapportioned,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm guessing, to the private prison companies.
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  SPEAKER_01: These figures are as of June 30th, so they're even six weeks old.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a lag time of several weeks with these OMB releases.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was an additional lag time because he had to teach himself how
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  SPEAKER_01: to read these reports,
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  SPEAKER_01: during which time,
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  SPEAKER_01: it turns out,
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  SPEAKER_01: Senate Budget Committee staffers reached the same conclusion on unused ICE funding,
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  SPEAKER_01: right?
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  SPEAKER_01: But they're not going to re-spend the money.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're not going to peel it back.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because these reports are released monthly,
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  SPEAKER_01: you can use them like a speedometer to gauge how quickly agencies are using
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  SPEAKER_01: the money that Congress approves for them.
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  SPEAKER_01: By use, I mean obligate, technically speaking.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right, so get to spending.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: For context, here's where obligations happen in the federal spending process.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right, that's this step four.
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  SPEAKER_01: So first you have a request that the president ask Congress to approve the funds.
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  SPEAKER_01: Appropriation where they approve them.
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  SPEAKER_01: An apportionment where the OMB releases them to agencies.
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  SPEAKER_01: Again, now where the obligation where the agencies are committing funds to pay
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  SPEAKER_01: for agency functions.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you have the outlay where the Treasury actually pays out the funds
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  SPEAKER_01: that agencies are committed to spend.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So again, it's not that the money is spent yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's unspent money that we've now kind of put in an account effectively.
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  SPEAKER_01: Lots of agencies work through backlogs.
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  SPEAKER_01: FEMA's Disaster Relief Fund is a notable example.
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  SPEAKER_01: But in that case,
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  SPEAKER_01: the delay is largely between obligations,
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  SPEAKER_01: meaning that FEMA is committing to them,
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  SPEAKER_01: and outlays,
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  SPEAKER_01: Treasury sending cash owing to certain recovery projects being performed
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  SPEAKER_01: over several years.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I remember from Hurricane Helene,
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  SPEAKER_01: there was a lot because FEMA was running out of money on the budget and
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  SPEAKER_01: the Republican Congress wasn't Granting additional funds to FEMA
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  SPEAKER_01: for disaster relief,
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  SPEAKER_01: and they were basically leaving all those homeowners in a lurch,
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  SPEAKER_01: and then Trump came in,
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  SPEAKER_01: which was the Republican plan all along,
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  SPEAKER_01: and released the money that,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: got them to approve the money that they weren't approving under Democrats,
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  SPEAKER_01: making him seem like a hero to all the people that were in
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  SPEAKER_01: the disaster-affected areas.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then they had their propagandists like Matt Manswell that were like cheerleaders
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  SPEAKER_01: about the whole thing at the same time.
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  SPEAKER_01: But really, they were all in on it together.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because Republicans could have approved the money under
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  SPEAKER_01: the Biden-Harris administration and let them spend the money under FEMA,
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  SPEAKER_01: but they chose to just wait until after the election.
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  SPEAKER_01: Especially after they knew that Trump was going to take office.
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  SPEAKER_01: So FEMA's Disaster Relief Fund is a notable example.
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  SPEAKER_01: But
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  SPEAKER_01: Certain recovery projects are performed over several years
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  SPEAKER_01: and increasingly common billion-dollar natural disaster events,
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  SPEAKER_01: not because disaster relief is overfunded.
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  SPEAKER_01: ICE, on the other hand, is overfunded.
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  SPEAKER_01: The backlog is at ICE itself.
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  SPEAKER_01: After OMB releases the congressionally approved funds and before the agency actually uses them.
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  SPEAKER_01: They haven't figured out how to spend that money yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: To be sure, this backlog was not by design.
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  SPEAKER_01: Earlier this year,
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  SPEAKER_01: the Trump admin's budget request stated that in fiscal year 2026,
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  SPEAKER_01: ICE would use $35.9 billion from that One Big Beautiful Act,
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  SPEAKER_01: including almost all of it for operations and just a half a billion dollars
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  SPEAKER_01: for procurement and construction.
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  SPEAKER_01: The agency's actually on track to use half of that amount.
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  SPEAKER_01: ICE is bewildered by the vastness of its own resources.
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  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that a wonderful sentence to hear about the American Gestapo?
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  SPEAKER_01: They're bewildered by the vastness of their own resources.
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  SPEAKER_01: The concern is that the agency learns to more effectively leverage its resources.
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  SPEAKER_01: The graph below communicates many things.
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  SPEAKER_01: One is a warning.
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  SPEAKER_01: ICE has inflicted a great deal of harm despite failing to make more than
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  SPEAKER_01: a small dent in its war chest.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that is a little bit worrisome.
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  SPEAKER_01: When it does spend out, how much harm is it going to do then?
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: After local resistance, ICE's incompetence appears to have done the most to limit its damage.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that's only while Trump puts people who are incompetent in charge.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: When they get someone who is competent,
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  SPEAKER_01: that looks at that kind of budget,
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  SPEAKER_01: that is that kind of Nazi, it could be very, very scary.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: No, it will be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Incompetence can be unlearned, even in this administration and with virtually unlimited funding.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not much more competence is needed to do a lot more harm.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I also think that Kristi Noem had something to do with all of this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that a lot of this money was given to them when he liked her
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  SPEAKER_01: and she was running the agency and she kept just asking him for more and more
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  SPEAKER_01: and more money.
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  SPEAKER_01: And she was funding her relationship with her boyfriend, Corey Lewandowski, allegedly.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: But here's the chart.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the hundred and thirteen billion dollars of ice funding.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is it broken down.
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  SPEAKER_01: The $13.7 billion that was used.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the $99.6 billion that they're sitting on at the moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, how does Congress find a way to take that back?
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: I would guess not.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: The question is, what are they going to do with this $100 billion?
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of money.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: That would have been enough to send every American college student to school for an entire year.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: Plus, remember we used to talk about that in 2016, 17, 18?
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: $25 billion and homelessness.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's $100 billion right there.
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  SPEAKER_01: That could end homelessness four times,
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  SPEAKER_01: and we're not even spending it, but we have it apportioned to Nazis.
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  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck the homeless, right?
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, these motherfuckers.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: Alt text for screen readers.
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  SPEAKER_01: ICE is sitting on $100 billion.
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  SPEAKER_01: 88%, a Nazi number of ICE funding for GOP reconciliation bills hasn't been used.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, look at that.
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  SPEAKER_01: 1488, yeah, all that nonsense.
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  SPEAKER_01: ICE funds in One Big Beautiful Act, okay, and Secure America Act are a total of $113.4 billion.
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  SPEAKER_01: Status of ICE funds through June, $13.7 billion used, $99.6 billion unused.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: Then he talks about his methodology.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Special thanks to all his paid subscribers.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: I like Steve Semler.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think that it's important to follow the money.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is really, this is where Congress has decided to give out.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of the money that he could otherwise apportion to a lot of other things.
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  SPEAKER_01: So now again,
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  SPEAKER_01: we're talking over $1.15 trillion for the military and $113 billion for the Gestapo
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  SPEAKER_01: that they're not even spending.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: Now, the military is going to be happy to spend all of that budget.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pete Hegseth and that entire company and that organization,
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  SPEAKER_01: they know well how to spend $1.13 billion.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: And if you think about it, that $100 billion would make it $1.23 trillion.
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  SPEAKER_01: The number of the trillions that's going to the military alone is just mind-boggling.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then you throw this,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's like a cherry and chocolate syrup and sprinkles on top of
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  SPEAKER_01: a massive fucking murder sundae is what this is.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's all in service of white nationalism and Trying to eliminate specific groups
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  SPEAKER_01: of people from the country that,
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: for whatever reason, the Trump administration, mostly racism, does not want here.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: And they fear-mongered the kinds of horrible stuff I see coming out
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: of some people's tweets and tweets.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Their posts on Substack and Notes and just about everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really just great.
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  SPEAKER_01: Telegram,
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  SPEAKER_01: some of the shit that I see posted out there and the justifications and
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  SPEAKER_01: the demonization of...
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  SPEAKER_01: of immigrants who we blew up their fucking homes for the most part,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is why they came here.
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  SPEAKER_01: We sold them the idea of a better life and let them in.
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  SPEAKER_01: We gave them green cards.
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  SPEAKER_01: We gave them the opportunities.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now they're sending people to just round them up and throw them indefinitely in prisons.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: And for this,
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  SPEAKER_01: we're rewarding the agency with another $100 billion that they don't even know how
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  SPEAKER_01: to spend yet.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody asked for that money except for them,
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  SPEAKER_01: but they had no actual budget on how it was going to be spent.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: So now they're just going and buying private prison facilities to federalize them so
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: that people can't protest in front of them.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: And...
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: Technically,
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  SPEAKER_01: people could sue the federal government now if they end up dead in one
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: of these facilities,
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  SPEAKER_01: but they're going to turn around and blame the private prison company for
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: For operating that facility,
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  SPEAKER_01: even if it is on a federal contract, hey, look, we don't operate this facility.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: We're trying to save your money and hire out a third party company
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  SPEAKER_01: to operate this thing so that we're not fully responsible,
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: but they have to have liability too.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, we know how that all
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: works out.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck ice, melt ice, defund these people.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: We don't need this level of funding anywhere close.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: We don't need this level of Gestapo.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Again, they're now deputizing local and state police.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now they have the money to just throw around everywhere.
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• 18:30
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• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: I see Roger and Westwood Jeffrey and Bao and KRG,
• 19:38
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• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: No!
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  SPEAKER_00: We just fucking lost the stream!
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: I guess this isn't such an awful place It's not what you want me
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: to say You prove it's possible to sleep for days
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I still think you're right here awake The cost of living isn't much to make
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: But God,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's so hard to save And when they told you everything were safe, were you safe?
• 20:31
  Were you safe?