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BROOMS OUT: Angels are swept by Mariners despite strong starting pitching · Halo Territory: A Los Angeles Angels Podcast

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Speaker 1: Well, Hey Angel fans, and welcome back to Halo Territory
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Speaker 1: with Mike D. Giovanna from Early Times Baseball writer and
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Speaker 1: Mark Trumbo, the former Angel slugger.
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Speaker 2: How you doing today, Mark, I'm doing great. What's going
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Speaker 2: on with you?
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Speaker 1: Well, just trying to get over a sweep in Seattle.
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Speaker 1: Boy rough week for the Angel up in the Pacific Northwest,
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Speaker 1: three games with a day off in between, and they
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Speaker 1: were swept by the Mariners, despite the fact that Walbert Arena,
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Speaker 1: Sam and and Terra Junior and Sam Bachman limited the
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Speaker 1: Mariners to two hits on Thursday night, very well pitched
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Speaker 1: game all around. Seattle scored the game's only run on
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Speaker 1: Urania's bases loaded walk in the sixth inning. His pitch
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Speaker 1: count at the time when the Mariners loaded the basis
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Speaker 1: it was at ninety five. This is a twenty two
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Speaker 1: year old right hander, mind you, rookie, and manager Kurt
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Speaker 1: Suzuki leaves them in the game. Even though lefty Samyn
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Speaker 1: Terry is warm in the bullpen. You have Josh Nayler
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Speaker 1: coming up, the left handed hitter, switch hitting cal Rally
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Speaker 1: coming up.
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Speaker 3: What does your ring to do?
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Speaker 1: He strikes out Nailor on three pitches very impressive. But Raley,
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Speaker 1: the former or the twenty twenty five MVP runner up,
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Speaker 1: draws a nine pitch walk to force in the game's
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Speaker 1: only run before Kurt went to the bullpen. What do
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Speaker 1: you think of that decision? Mark, to leave the kid
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Speaker 1: in in that situation.
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Speaker 3: I liked it.
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Speaker 2: I liked it at the time. I thought that We've
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Speaker 2: talked about it extensively. Walbert's calm and cool under pressure
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Speaker 2: seems to handle those instances really well. Some of the
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Speaker 2: bullpen guys have had their fair share of struggles, a
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Speaker 2: couple of them with the inherited runners, and Walbert seems
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Speaker 2: to thrive. Yes, this pitch out was getting up there,
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Speaker 2: but they really hadn't made any hard contact at all
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Speaker 2: so far. And I don't fault the decision at all.
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Speaker 2: You know, it ended up walking him. But cal Rally,
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Speaker 2: despite the poor season, he's actually been quite good at times,
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Speaker 2: usually in high leverage situations or late in the game,
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Speaker 2: So that was not terribly surprised, and he was able
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Speaker 2: to kind of piece that together when it really mattered.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll go one step further and say I loved it.
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Speaker 1: You know, so much criticism from guys like Jim Palmer
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Speaker 1: and some of the old school guys, and it's Ward
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Speaker 1: and I think that we're just not pushing starting pitchers enough.
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Speaker 3: We're babying them too much.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, the end result wasn't great, but he's still
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Speaker 1: pitched a great game. And I look at stuff. You know,
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Speaker 1: yeah it was at ninety five pitches, but his stuff
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Speaker 1: was obviously still good to strike out and nail or
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Speaker 1: you know, a guy who makes contact usually pretty regularly
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Speaker 1: was very impressive. And that was just a grind out
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Speaker 1: at bat from Raleigh. Give him credit, but I really
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Speaker 1: like the move. I think Walbert will only benefit it
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Speaker 1: from that and the confidence the manager shows, and a
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Speaker 1: kid like that I think can can help in the
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Speaker 1: long run as well. Now, that ending actually started with
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Speaker 1: a JP Crawford double to right center was the first
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Speaker 1: hit of the game, and it's kind of a It
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Speaker 1: was right in the gap.
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Speaker 3: He split the gap. He hit a.
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Speaker 1: Similar almost ball in the exact same situation a couple
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Speaker 1: innings earlier that Josh Low caught, but on this one,
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Speaker 1: joshing to pull up right before making a final effort
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Speaker 1: at the ball and the ball drops look like to me,
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Speaker 1: he heard some Joe Adell footsteps. You know, I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure I can fault him for that, considering Joe's height
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Speaker 1: and wait, that would have been a nasty collision. But
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Speaker 1: do you think that ball should have made cot mark?
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Speaker 1: It's hard to say. I think that rem me of
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Speaker 1: as a kid watching the Dodgers. They had a near
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Speaker 1: no hitter that you might know the gentleman, he might
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Speaker 1: go to your gym. I'm not going to pick on anyone.
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Speaker 2: But didn't didn't lay out for a ball and ye
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Speaker 2: at the time, you know, I remember thinking, I think
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Speaker 2: the dive probably would have looks why it has been
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Speaker 2: better there this play in particular, I actually think Joe
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Speaker 2: Adele had the better chance to catch that baseball based
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Speaker 2: on where he was playing. Josh Lolok shaded slightly more
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Speaker 2: towards left center field and I went back. I watched
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Speaker 2: it many times. It looked like Joe's intent completely was
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Speaker 2: to be the backup. He took an angle to back
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Speaker 2: up the play. I think if he had gone directly.
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Speaker 2: Now you have to communicate because there could be a
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Speaker 2: very unfortunate situation with an a's minor leaguer best wishes
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Speaker 2: with a neck injury. Two big men you don't want
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Speaker 2: to dive into each other. That's the worst case scenario.
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Speaker 2: But with a no hitter on the line, it was
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Speaker 2: not a perfect game. No, it couldn't have been because
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Speaker 2: there was a lot of others with a no hitter.
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Speaker 2: I think that somebody should have got the uniform dirty
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Speaker 2: what they have made the play, I'm not certain neither
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Speaker 2: of them has. Although Low does run above average, you
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Speaker 2: don't have somebody out there like PCA who's able to
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Speaker 2: make some of those plays pretty routinely.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for those wondering, Mark is alluding to one Sean Green,
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Speaker 1: who had a very fine career. Despite that play, Angels
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Speaker 1: still had a chance to tie the game in the
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Speaker 1: top of the seventh. They put two on with their
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Speaker 1: first two hits with no outs, orgees Solaire strikes out,
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Speaker 1: Wade Meckler flies a deep center that would have scored
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Speaker 1: the tying run had the runners advanced, And then in
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Speaker 1: the end, I think with a netto no Joe Adell
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Speaker 1: ground up, is Jorge Solaire maybe the worst guy to
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Speaker 1: have up in that in that situation, Yes, he could
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Speaker 1: hit a three run home run, but what are the
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Speaker 1: other options?
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Speaker 4: Well?
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Speaker 2: Or Hey, that last at bet one hundred and ten
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Speaker 2: point three exit velocity on that syn true, he gets
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Speaker 2: his HAPs in and well another show that covers the Angels,
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Speaker 2: they thought he should have put down a sack bunt
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Speaker 2: and totally valid. Jorgees put down exactly zero sack bunts
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Speaker 2: in his entire career. I don't even know what that
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Speaker 2: would look like. I doubt the whole league, not the
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Speaker 2: whole league, most of the league, especially the Angels. They
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Speaker 2: don't look good at bunning whatsoever. I don't know if
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Speaker 2: it's something that's just not I'm going to say it's
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Speaker 2: just not practice like it used to be. It's not
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Speaker 2: part of the current modern game. Giving away outs is
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Speaker 2: not trendy, and so when guys are called to do it,
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Speaker 2: it looks stabby, awkward, usually doesn't result in what you're
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Speaker 2: actually looking for. And with sol are there, you're just
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Speaker 2: hoping he runs into one. That's what he's up there for.
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Speaker 2: He's trying to go, you know, hit the ball hard,
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Speaker 2: and facing elite pitching doesn't always go the way of
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Speaker 2: the hitter.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a situation.
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Speaker 1: I think forget what hitting last night were the Mariner
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Speaker 1: guy who came into play right fielding Wilson is his name.
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Speaker 1: He squares the bunch, puts his right hand up by
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Speaker 1: the label of the bat in his left.
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Speaker 3: Hand, right under his right hand.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that's how they teach you
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Speaker 1: how a bunch in little league, Babe, Ruth league, high school,
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Speaker 1: you know, minor leagues, big leagues. And he had no chance.
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Speaker 1: I was very surprised by that. And to me, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you don't ask Jorges soil there to bunt. You just
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Speaker 1: you're not gonna put a guy in a situation where
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Speaker 1: you almost know he's gonna fail. I would have had
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Speaker 1: a easier time if they had gone and maybe Walton
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Speaker 1: off the bench or I forget who else is on
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Speaker 1: the bench, but you certainly had guys on the bench
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Speaker 1: who could have gone in there and bunt Bunted. But
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Speaker 1: you know, then you're taking out your cleanup batter and
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Speaker 1: your your hitter who has a knack for hitting line
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Speaker 1: drives with an exit velocity of one hundred and ten.
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Speaker 1: So tough situation for Kurt. You know, he's not the
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Speaker 1: only manager putting these situations. But you're right, bunting is
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Speaker 1: a low lost art.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: Seattle won Monday night six to two. George Kirby looked
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Speaker 1: very good that night for the Mariners, and then Seattle
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Speaker 1: won eight to two. And Tuesday night a game in
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Speaker 1: which Horace Jose Soriano threw five shutout innings before he
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Speaker 1: and Chase Silsa combined to give up five runs in
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Speaker 1: that six But I want to go back to the
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Speaker 1: top of the fifth inning that night, zero zero game,
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Speaker 1: Angels put two on and no outs. Logan o'happe, who's
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Speaker 1: been pretty good at the plate lately, tried the old
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Speaker 1: butcher boy play. When you fake a bunt, pull back,
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Speaker 1: swing away, he chops the ground of the third guy
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Speaker 1: feels it, touches third, and then Donovan Walton flies out,
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Speaker 1: Neto grounds out. Inning's over. What'd you think of that
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Speaker 1: decision to try that play at that time? Mark, what
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Speaker 1: did you call it?
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Speaker 3: Butcher boy?
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Speaker 1: That's what I remember my first year or two on
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Speaker 1: the Angels beat, and the Angels are actually pretty good
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Speaker 1: at that play. And Larry Boa, the third base coach
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Speaker 1: at the time, he used that term butcher boy players.
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Speaker 1: That was the first I had ever heard of it,
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Speaker 1: and they actually, I think they used it. Wayne used
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Speaker 1: it on the broadcast. If you were paying attention, mark
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Speaker 1: as you should.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the butcher boy. If you square, you pull back.
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Speaker 2: We called it a splash slashes, but I know that's
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Speaker 2: a good one. Yeah, but I like that. I mean
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Speaker 2: that's all I ever heard. But okay, I got put
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Speaker 2: it in my back pocket. Why are you asking? Was
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Speaker 2: it a good player or just yeah?
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Speaker 1: On Logan's part, considering he probably has not bunted much
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Speaker 1: or fake bunted much in his career, I'm guessing.
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Speaker 2: He actually looks like he is able to lay one down.
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Speaker 2: His technique looks much better than many others. That play
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Speaker 2: is very effective if you can catch I mean the
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Speaker 2: corner infielders are terrified with a guy like that with
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Speaker 2: you know, a big strong guy with a high exit
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Speaker 2: velos coming, you know, with the ability to you know,
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Speaker 2: basically knock your teeth out. But in this instance it
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Speaker 2: did not work. The placement, you know, really wasn't that
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Speaker 2: great and the runners were unable to move over. So
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Speaker 2: the manufacturing, the thought process, I don't ate it. I
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Speaker 2: don't know if that was on his own or that
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Speaker 2: was I bet it was. I don't know how complex
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Speaker 2: the Angels signs are. We really never see hardly anything
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Speaker 2: hit and runs or otherwise, so I doubt they even
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Speaker 2: have that in the playbook. I think that was probably
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Speaker 2: on his own and thanking the thought process was right.
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Speaker 2: Just you know it didn't work out.
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Speaker 1: revisit Christian Moore's demotion to Triple A and an interesting
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Speaker 1: And welcome back to Halo Territory with Mark Trumbo and
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Speaker 1: Mike dg Omano. Well, I got a little blowback from
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Speaker 1: the as justin Hollanders Seattle, GM called the Lunatic Fringe
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Speaker 1: on X for my take on Christian Moore's outbursts after
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Speaker 1: you got demoted the Triple A about a week ago. Now,
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Speaker 1: I thought it was an immature reaction at the time,
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Speaker 1: but you know, here's some of the reaction on Twitter,
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Speaker 1: and one was from Tory Hunter, who I have all
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Speaker 1: the utmost respect for. Christian Moore has fire. I would
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Speaker 1: rather have a player who is upset about going back
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Speaker 1: to the miners and a guy who says thanks for
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Speaker 1: the opportunity. Now you still have to perform at the
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Speaker 1: big league level, where Triple A will always be present.
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Speaker 3: What I.
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Speaker 1: What I want to express is that two things can
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Speaker 1: be true at the same time. Does Christian Moore have
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Speaker 1: every right to be ticked off about being demoted to
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Speaker 1: triple A?
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Speaker 3: Definitely?
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Speaker 1: But I went back and looked, even though he's had
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Speaker 1: only twenty at bats, he actually started five or seven
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Speaker 1: games from June eighteenth to twenty fourth, and he hit
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Speaker 1: two hundred and four for twenty with one RBIs, eleven
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Speaker 1: strikeouts and one walk in those games. To me, he
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Speaker 1: should be more ticked off that the Angels are jerking
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Speaker 1: him around a bit. We're talking about a first round
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Speaker 1: pick here in twenty four by moving him to left field,
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Speaker 1: a position he is clearly not comfortable at. Has already
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Speaker 1: made a few rough plays out there. That's what he
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Speaker 1: should be ticked off about. And to me, his outburst
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Speaker 1: was also a sign of immaturity because he did it
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Speaker 1: as he walked into a clubhouse full of a few
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Speaker 1: teammates and all.
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Speaker 3: The reporters, and it's just not a good look.
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Speaker 1: And you know, there's a lot of people who say, oh,
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Speaker 1: you know, he has every right to be ticked off.
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Speaker 1: But if Joe Adell intervenes and puts a lid on this,
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Speaker 1: you know, like right away, how is that appropriate to me?
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Speaker 1: You got to act professional in the clubhouse. This wasn't
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Speaker 1: the time or place. You do that stuff behind closed doors.
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Speaker 1: That's fine, you don't do it in front of a
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Speaker 1: bunch of reporters when you have the chance of you know,
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Speaker 1: it being reported as it was, and then you have
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Speaker 1: a reputation that's very hard to shake. What was your
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Speaker 1: takeaway from all that?
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Speaker 4: Mark?
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Speaker 2: I can see the arguments being made, the fire and passion.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to speak for myself, but of course I
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Speaker 2: love that. I mean, there's nothing worse than a guy
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Speaker 2: that doesn't have it, and it's very you know, if
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Speaker 2: they don't, those guys that don't have it very hard
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Speaker 2: to ever find it. Most major league players are high intensity,
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Speaker 2: ultra competitive, but with that comes you got to know
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Speaker 2: when to show restraint. I mean, I looked up some
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Speaker 2: famous incidents that happened in front of media. Kevin Brown
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Speaker 2: destroys the clubhouse in two thousand and four, Cole Hammils
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Speaker 2: and Jonathan Papalvon got into a huge, heated argument in
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Speaker 2: fourteen and Prince Fielder tried to storm into the Dodgers' clubhouse. Wow,
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Speaker 2: all of those things were miss with the media around it.
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Speaker 2: And that's that's what you get into a fight in
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Speaker 2: the dugout, or you get into a screaming match and
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Speaker 2: caught on TV. These things, you know, if people are
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Speaker 2: around to witness them, they're going to be written about.
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Speaker 2: There's as a player, you understand that had it been
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Speaker 2: need had it out like a zero shock, if it
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Speaker 2: was written about, it should be written about. I mean,
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Speaker 2: that's something that is right in front of everyone's eyes. Now,
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Speaker 2: as far as I mean, he's an excellent player, but
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Speaker 2: I think that there is a thought that because you're
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Speaker 2: a high first round pick, that there's a clear pathway
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Speaker 2: to the major leagues, that you're going to be kind
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Speaker 2: of gift wrapped a position at some point once you
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Speaker 2: get to double A or at least as I've always
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Speaker 2: understood it, the draft position is out the window. You
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Speaker 2: got to earn it. You got to go out there
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Speaker 2: and you got to beat somebody out. Now, what did
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Speaker 2: Christian Moore do in spring training? Well, you have one
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Speaker 2: seventy five and forty of bats, So that's not all that.
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Speaker 2: I'm strong. It's not worthy of a spot, you know,
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Speaker 2: I think is one of his best chances might have
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Speaker 2: been to make the team out of spring. The numbers
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Speaker 2: weren't good enough. He didn't do that lighting up in
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Speaker 2: Salt Lake. I think he's going to have an excellent future,
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Speaker 2: but I can understand why he's upset. I think the
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Speaker 2: only issue out of all this that I have is
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Speaker 2: the outburst towards the manager, which I see is disrespectful
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Speaker 2: and it's not something I would have done or had
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Speaker 2: you wanted to go that route. You got to do
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Speaker 2: it when no one's watching, and that includes your teammates
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Speaker 2: as well, because it really puts a friction. You know,
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Speaker 2: it's not your manager's got to either respond or not.
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Speaker 2: Kurt seemed like took the high road and said, you know,
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Speaker 2: he likes the fire, likes the energy, but I mean
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Speaker 2: it's also somebody showing up their skipper. And I agree
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Speaker 2: with Tory's comment. I can see all of it, but
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Speaker 2: I don't really think anyone's you know, it's just something
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Speaker 2: that happened. You know, we'll move beyond this, but I've
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Speaker 2: seen plenty of it before this one. You just did
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Speaker 2: it in front of the media.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it reminds me of a phrase I've heard so
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Speaker 1: many times over the many years I've covered baseball. It
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Speaker 1: takes you five minutes to earn a reputation, or even
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Speaker 1: five seconds, and five years to a lifetime to rid
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Speaker 1: yourself of it.
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Speaker 3: And you know.
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Speaker 1: This kid's got a lot of pressure on them already,
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Speaker 1: and I don't you know, to me, it's not going
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Speaker 1: to help them if you have a reputation of, you know,
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Speaker 1: being a hot head or wherever you want to call it.
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Speaker 1: Here's some of the other reactions I got, and these
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Speaker 1: are the more printable ones.
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Speaker 3: That's a terrible take.
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Speaker 1: Imagine you finally get a shot at achieving the dream
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Speaker 1: you've worked for your entire life, only to be played
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Speaker 1: out of position and given a handful of the bats.
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Speaker 1: That's not immaturity, that's passion. He had every right to
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Speaker 1: be frustrated. I don't disagree with that take. I agree
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Speaker 1: with it. And then I did get some criticism a
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Speaker 1: couple of things along these lines. Way to spill out
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Speaker 1: things that should remain in closed doors. That seems immature
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Speaker 1: to even talk about it. And I just want to
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Speaker 1: remind fans that this incident was actually first brought up
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Speaker 1: I believe it was Chuck Richter from Angelswind dot com,
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Speaker 1: and this happened on a Friday night, after the game,
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Speaker 1: middle of the day Saturday, Saturday, he tweets, So, I'm
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Speaker 1: not seeing this anywhere else, but I heard that Christian
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Speaker 1: wore through a tantrum in the clubhouse last night and
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Speaker 1: had to be held back by Joe Adell. Not so
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Speaker 1: sure about that. Apparently he was notified that he's being
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Speaker 1: sent back to Salt Lake. Trying to confirm this else elsewhere,
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Speaker 1: but that's what I heard, So it wasn't like I
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Speaker 1: was revealing anything that wasn't already out there. And we
18:44
Speaker 1: asked Kurt Suzuki about it before Saturday's game. He acknowledged it,
18:49
Speaker 1: And by acknowledging it, you're basically saying, you know, at
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Speaker 1: that point it's fair game for people to write about.
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Speaker 1: So that's all I'm going to say about that and
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Speaker 1: anything further had on that mark or should we put.
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Speaker 3: It to bed?
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Speaker 2: They gave it to you pretty good. Usually, you know,
19:07
Speaker 2: people with some weird goofy avatar and they like to
19:12
Speaker 2: use gifts, and you know it's a part of the
19:16
Speaker 2: deal with pro sports. You want to know why athletes
19:18
Speaker 2: aren't really into it, Well, there you go. I'm not
19:23
Speaker 2: one to take the platforms to voice my displeasure. If
19:27
Speaker 2: I don't like something, I just move along. I think
19:31
Speaker 2: somebody actually scorched me for that, not realizing it was
19:35
Speaker 2: you who had said it and they were so sick
19:38
Speaker 2: of watching me, And then I think deleted it because well,
19:42
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I guess just you know, had
19:45
Speaker 2: it locked and loaded, ready to pile on and and
19:48
Speaker 2: any of these takes, especially with us, they get usually
19:52
Speaker 2: chopped up and put out on other platforms, where other
19:57
Speaker 2: shows not so much. They have a lot more latitude
20:01
Speaker 2: to let it rip. I say anything remotely borderline, you know,
20:06
Speaker 2: there it goes. So it's a tough tough line to
20:10
Speaker 2: walk because we want to be you know, honest and candid,
20:13
Speaker 2: but nobody's looking for uh, this s storm of nonsense. Also,
20:20
Speaker 2: last night, saw Lake had six airs, Christian Moore had
20:23
Speaker 2: three of them, and uh, Cayden Dana with with a
20:26
Speaker 2: not so great start. So you know, the defense is
20:30
Speaker 2: something that I think he's going to really need to
20:31
Speaker 2: hone in on. That's a big part of the deal.
20:33
Speaker 2: Obviously is a bat. Uh you know. Ever, he's known
20:36
Speaker 2: for the hitting, so the bat's got to be there too.
20:39
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, down on the farm, you got
20:41
Speaker 2: to look the part and hopefully there's uh, you know,
20:44
Speaker 2: the attitudes there. It's going to work hard, and you
20:46
Speaker 2: never know, there could be a spot that opens up
20:48
Speaker 2: in a in a day or two and he never
20:51
Speaker 2: you know ever has to go back down. So that's
20:53
Speaker 2: the mindset. I would probably say his best and put
20:56
Speaker 2: the work and put your head down. Someone who's spent
20:58
Speaker 2: a lot of years in the minor gigs and had
21:01
Speaker 2: to scratch and claw and played out a position the
21:03
Speaker 2: majority of my career, Sometimes you gotta do what you
21:06
Speaker 2: gotta do.
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Speaker 3: Yeh.
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Speaker 1: He welcome back to Halo Territory with Mark Trumbo and
22:20
Speaker 1: Mike dg Ovanna Well Ken Rosenthal, the Athletic did are
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Speaker 1: really nice? Q and A with John Mozaylac earlier in
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Speaker 1: the week. Two things stood out to me. The first
22:30
Speaker 1: is a uh Mo as we'll call him, had a
22:34
Speaker 1: two and a half hour meeting last week with owner
22:36
Speaker 1: Artie Moreno and team president Molly Jolly, and when asked
22:40
Speaker 1: by Ken if he has an understanding of Artie's vision
22:44
Speaker 1: on how to write this franchise. Most said quote, I
22:47
Speaker 1: definitely think there's going to be an opportunity to have
22:50
Speaker 1: some autonomy in how we do it. And here's what
22:54
Speaker 1: Ken had to say about this on the Foul Territory Network.
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Speaker 4: And the big thing for me, the big question was
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Speaker 4: and is will he have actual autonomy? Because that's always
23:05
Speaker 4: been the question for Angels heads of baseball operations under Moreno.
23:10
Speaker 4: What's different about Mozzaelock as opposed to Tony Reagan's and
23:13
Speaker 4: Jerry Depoto and Billy Eppler and of course Perrymanazion is
23:19
Speaker 4: he has experience coming into this job. Those guys I
23:22
Speaker 4: just mentioned did not. Topoto had been an interim for
23:25
Speaker 4: a couple of months, but that was it. Miszeylock is
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Speaker 4: a guy with some status in the game. He was
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Speaker 4: with the Cardinals for quite a long time. At the
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Speaker 4: time he left as president of Baseball Operations, was the
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Speaker 4: second longest tenured head of baseball ops in the game,
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Speaker 4: behind only Brian Cashman. So the question then is, Okay,
23:44
Speaker 4: you hired this guy, are you gonna let him do
23:47
Speaker 4: his job? Because the question with Moreno has always been,
23:50
Speaker 4: or the criticism and the suspicion has always been he
23:53
Speaker 4: does not let his heads of baseball operations do their jobs.
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Speaker 4: And Razzeloc basically said he has met with Moreno at
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Speaker 4: this point and he feels that Moreno is going to
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Speaker 4: rely a lot on him Jonas Alac for his vision
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Speaker 4: in kind of reversing the course of the franchise. We'll
24:12
Speaker 4: see it always sounds great at the beginning a lot it.
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Speaker 4: That's true for players in their introductory news conference, it's
24:17
Speaker 4: true for managers executives. They all's down great at the
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Speaker 4: press conference and in the interviews afterward. But we'll see
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Speaker 4: if indeed Mozellac is allowed to affect actual change or
24:29
Speaker 4: if this will simply be with the Angels more of
24:32
Speaker 4: the same.
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Speaker 1: Well as HT fans will remember, we raised this question
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Speaker 1: on our first show of the week when we talked
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Speaker 1: about this whole shake up in the general manager seat
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Speaker 1: of whether already Moreno, who's turning eighty this year, is
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Speaker 1: finally going to step back and stop meddling and let
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Speaker 1: somebody who knows what he's doing try to turn this
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Speaker 1: thing around. I saw this as a very encouraging sign
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Speaker 1: and as ken Ken made a good point. You know
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Speaker 1: already has hired pretty much first time general managers since,
25:06
Speaker 1: you know, since Bill Stoneman stepped down. Did you see
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Speaker 1: this as a as a reason for encouragement Mark in
25:12
Speaker 1: terms of maybe getting this thing turned around a little quicker?
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Speaker 2: I think so. The comments have all been high level
25:21
Speaker 2: baseball expertise type answers, someone with a ton of knowledge,
25:27
Speaker 2: a ton of experience, in an attitude that kind of
25:30
Speaker 2: screams he doesn't, you know, really care at all if
25:34
Speaker 2: they were to fire them tomorrow, which you know doesn't
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Speaker 2: necessarily Well, he doesn't need the job, wasn't actively looking
25:42
Speaker 2: for the job. So I think he's almost the perfect candidate.
25:46
Speaker 2: Most people would be thrilled to be a major league
25:48
Speaker 2: general manager and do anything and everything they're asked to
25:53
Speaker 2: keep that position. And he seems like, you know what,
25:56
Speaker 2: I've done this a long time. If you want me
25:58
Speaker 2: to come in here, I want my opinion and expertise.
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Speaker 2: You got to give me the opportunity to do my thing.
26:05
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. But I think that the Angels
26:08
Speaker 2: are incapable hands and it is a good sign.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I still think Artie's going to have the final
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Speaker 1: say over pretty much every major decision. But I do
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Speaker 1: think it just sounds like Mo would not have taken
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Speaker 1: that position if he didn't have some kind of autonomy
26:22
Speaker 1: to do the things he thinks are necessary. So I think,
26:28
Speaker 1: you know, a little less Lardy will be good for
26:30
Speaker 1: the franchise and a little more Mo will be more
26:32
Speaker 1: better for it. So the second thing I really thought
26:35
Speaker 1: it was interesting was Ken Asmo, if this team needs
26:38
Speaker 1: to rebuild obviously we have the trade deadline coming up
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Speaker 1: in a month now, and Mo said, no, I don't
26:44
Speaker 1: think in this market you need to do that. This
26:47
Speaker 1: team has resources now, it's just making sure we deploy
26:51
Speaker 1: them correctly. And let's hear Ken elaborate a little bit
26:54
Speaker 1: more about that answer on the Foul Territory Network.
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Speaker 4: There are some angels who could be traded at the deadline,
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Speaker 4: or who should be traded at the deadline. That is
27:03
Speaker 4: the bigger overriding concern here. Will Mozelok be allowed to
27:08
Speaker 4: do something that his predecessors were not, and that is
27:11
Speaker 4: to trade players under team control beyond the season at hand?
27:17
Speaker 4: So who are we talking about? Jose Siriano Sriana for one,
27:21
Speaker 4: read debt meers Zach Neto, Joe Adell, all of these
27:24
Speaker 4: guys under club control for at least one more year.
27:27
Speaker 4: Adele won the two pitchers two and Neto three. And
27:33
Speaker 4: if the Angels choose they can move some of these
27:35
Speaker 4: guys and get big returns. Their farm system is not
27:38
Speaker 4: very good. It is something they should do. It is
27:41
Speaker 4: something I believe their fans would embrace a retooling, if
27:45
Speaker 4: not an outright rebuilding. But when I asked Misaelic about that,
27:49
Speaker 4: does this team need to rebuild? His answer was tell him.
27:52
Speaker 4: He said no. He said, this is a team and
27:55
Speaker 4: a big market, a team with resources, and they should
27:57
Speaker 4: be able to compete.
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Speaker 1: Well, this response was a little more concerning for me.
28:05
Speaker 1: You know, we address this whole topic on a show
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Speaker 1: a week or three ago, what they should do before
28:10
Speaker 1: the trade deadline. I think Sam Plumb was on that episode.
28:13
Speaker 1: We were all in agreement that they need to tear
28:15
Speaker 1: this thing down do a major rebuild, which is something
28:18
Speaker 1: they have never done. But we also had the Bob
28:20
Speaker 1: Nightingale report right around that time that said already does
28:23
Speaker 1: not want to trade Soriano Reed det Merz or Joe Adell.
28:28
Speaker 1: I mean, there's still a month before the trade deadline. Yes,
28:31
Speaker 1: I don't know that a lot of things can happen
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Speaker 1: between now and then, but some things can happen. Maybe
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Speaker 1: the Angels will get hot go on a run. This
28:37
Speaker 1: league is as we talked about with Ryan Divish of
28:42
Speaker 1: Seattle Times last show, It's just that the league. I've
28:46
Speaker 1: never seen the American League in this sorry of a state.
28:48
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the Angels are going to make a
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Speaker 1: run and you know, make the playoffs or win a division.
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Speaker 3: But what do you think? Mark?
28:57
Speaker 1: Is that answer a little telling in terms of maybe
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Speaker 1: that Bob Knightingale report is true, and maybe Already just
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Speaker 1: doesn't have to have the stomach to tear it down.
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Speaker 2: Who knows.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: They're only nine games back.
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Speaker 3: They were five and a half just from the wildcard.
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Speaker 1: If you according to Roger Lodge.
29:19
Speaker 2: Right, they got I don't know, you know, Halo honks.
29:24
Speaker 2: But I do know that they're fifteen and thirty on
29:28
Speaker 2: the road. They're seventeen and twenty nine against above five
29:32
Speaker 2: hundred teams a minus forty six run differential, So those
29:37
Speaker 2: numbers aren't as flattering. I I don't think they probably,
29:43
Speaker 2: I don't think Already wants to trade any of the
29:45
Speaker 2: guys that are producing for the reasons that when we
29:50
Speaker 2: had Jeff Flettron and you explained it as customers. If
29:54
Speaker 2: that is your business model and you want to put
29:58
Speaker 2: the best possible team on the field that you can
30:02
Speaker 2: for entertainment, I think that there's a case that you
30:05
Speaker 2: keep as much talent as you can, you strategically move
30:09
Speaker 2: guys that maybe Paraza Yates if he's trending up. These
30:14
Speaker 2: are just names of players that are veterans and not
30:19
Speaker 2: part of the young core. So there's others too that
30:22
Speaker 2: probably makes some sense, and hold on to the guys
30:25
Speaker 2: that you do have and maybe spend I don't know
30:29
Speaker 2: with the impending lockout. Will figure that out when it comes.
30:33
Speaker 2: But this is all speculation. John Haymond, you know, he
30:36
Speaker 2: says a lot of things. Yeah, so I don't know
30:42
Speaker 2: what to make of it. I do think that Mo
30:45
Speaker 2: his experience is going to be excellent. I'm more interested,
30:49
Speaker 2: to be honest, in the draft which route they go
30:53
Speaker 2: they're targeting higher upside young talent. I think that that
30:57
Speaker 2: it would be good for the organization to target the
30:59
Speaker 2: high I have ceiling players that can that that may
31:01
Speaker 2: be coming from the high school crop trending away from
31:06
Speaker 2: the safe college. Uh, you know, plug and play. But
31:12
Speaker 2: we'll see how that goes. I wondering last night, just
31:15
Speaker 2: one last thought, one of the Angels players got picked
31:20
Speaker 2: off in kind of a pivotal spot, and I was
31:22
Speaker 2: wondering what your thoughts were on that play and what kind.
31:25
Speaker 3: Of happened there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was at the eighth or ninth. I can't
31:27
Speaker 1: remember Neto. Oh yeah, it was because Munyos was in
31:30
Speaker 1: the game. I mean, I liked the idea of being
31:34
Speaker 1: aggressive in that situation. Munyos is pretty slow to the plate,
31:37
Speaker 1: even though he throws a hundred. I think Neto was
31:40
Speaker 1: as good as a guy to steal second. You know,
31:45
Speaker 1: I don't know that Munyos has a great move. I
31:47
Speaker 1: think Neto just you know, he got a little antsy
31:50
Speaker 1: and left a little early and got picked off. In hindsight,
31:54
Speaker 1: what Shanwell. Shanwell followed with a hit and you know
31:59
Speaker 1: the ending that hit too to layer of that hit
32:01
Speaker 1: two might have scored him from second, so yeah, or
32:05
Speaker 1: it's definitely have scored him third.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, I don't know.
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Speaker 4: Mark.
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Speaker 1: We once again we criticized Netto for a lot on
32:12
Speaker 1: this show. I mean, he's trying to make an aggressive play.
32:16
Speaker 1: You know, how would Mike Sosha have responded? You know,
32:18
Speaker 1: in that situation, Socia always stressed if you're gonna miss
32:22
Speaker 1: make a mistake, make it with being aggressive, don't play
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Speaker 1: with fear. That's a tough situation. He's trying to get
32:29
Speaker 1: a great jump. I guess I didn't have as much
32:31
Speaker 1: a problem with it as you might, but let's hear
32:34
Speaker 1: you your take on it. For the final word, I.
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Speaker 2: Don't have one baseball play, you know, playing hard and
32:44
Speaker 2: just wanted to see what you thought. We didn't cover
32:47
Speaker 2: it earlier. You know, it was a bigger part of
32:49
Speaker 2: the game, and you know the Angels have a Boston
32:54
Speaker 2: team coming in. That's I don't know if Contraras's suspension
32:58
Speaker 2: will begin tonight. If the field, yeah, I think they
33:01
Speaker 2: are okay, so he will be in there. Their offense
33:04
Speaker 2: is ranked very poorly. They have the least amount of
33:09
Speaker 2: home runs in the big leagues. They do have some
33:11
Speaker 2: decent starting pitching, but another team with a lousy record,
33:15
Speaker 2: So this would be a good time for the Angels
33:16
Speaker 2: to take two of three and one last thing. Nolan
33:21
Speaker 2: single last night extended the Angels hit streak to four
33:24
Speaker 2: two and nineteen games since September twelfth, nineteen ninety nine.
33:29
Speaker 2: That's the longest active streak in the major leagues.
33:32
Speaker 1: And I witnessed the last no hit or to be
33:34
Speaker 1: thrown against the Angels. It was on September eleventh, nineteen
33:37
Speaker 1: ninety nine, the infamous Eric Milton game, where Joe Madden
33:43
Speaker 1: started a lineup of Triple A guys essentially, and he
33:46
Speaker 1: refused to pinchhit anybody. He was determined not to give
33:51
Speaker 1: all his regulars a rest, and Eric Milton, who I
33:54
Speaker 1: believe had an era in the sevens at the time,
33:57
Speaker 1: through what I called the most effortless no hitter in
33:59
Speaker 1: baseball history. That's the way it goes sometimes. Good on
34:04
Speaker 1: them for keeping that streak alive. It's pretty impressive. So
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