Latest / The Mark Belling Podcast / Mark Belling Podcast #160: Here's the real corruption in Wisconsin elections—--clerks and other election officials refusing to follow the rules. Mark exposes a plan for many state clerks to attend an indoctrination session one month before the election put on by a leftist Soros-funded organization. Also: Joe Rogan is right; the sick defenders of Lindsay Clancy would never defend a father who murdered his kids.

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Mark Belling Podcast #160: Here's the real corruption in Wisconsin elections—--clerks and other election officials refusing to follow the rules. Mark exposes a plan for many state clerks to attend an indoctrination session one month before the election put on by a leftist Soros-funded organization. Also: Joe Rogan is right; the sick defenders of Lindsay Clancy would never defend a father who murdered his kids. · The Mark Belling Podcast

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  Speaker 2: I'm going to start today's podcast with a story exclusive
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  Speaker 2: to my program. I hope others pick it up. It's
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  Speaker 2: a story about a left-wing advocacy group that is going
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  Speaker 2: to try to influence the elections in Wisconsin, and I contend,
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  Speaker 2: in a way that is not allowed by law. In
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  Speaker 2: recent elections, there have been all sorts of complaints of
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  Speaker 2: people on the right about illegalities, improprieties. Some people come
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  Speaker 2: out and say that the election was stolen. that Trump won.
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  Speaker 2: I've never been one that's gone that far. Unfortunately, the
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  Speaker 2: media tries to accuse anyone who draws attention to any
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  Speaker 2: sort of election irregularity, inappropriate behavior, illegal behavior, as being
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  Speaker 2: an election denier. There are any number of people on
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  Speaker 2: the right who are complaining about all sorts of things
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  Speaker 2: pertaining to the elections, and I've argued, in many instances,
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  Speaker 2: that they're looking at the wrong thing. To me, the
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  Speaker 2: real problem is the fact that you have outside groups
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  Speaker 2: that are actively working with local election officials to influence
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  Speaker 2: the vote. Now, I'm going to give you a specific
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  Speaker 2: case of something that is planned to go on in
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  Speaker 2: one month from right now, right here in Wisconsin. And
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  Speaker 2: I contend that we have changed our Constitution to prohibit it.
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  Speaker 2: But unless somebody does something about it, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: go on anyway. So I'll share that story in a moment.
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  Speaker 2: visit Uline.com. In recent state, and in particularly the presidential
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  Speaker 2: elections in Wisconsin, 2020 was a grotesque example of it,
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  Speaker 2: to some extent 2024. We've had outside organizations pile into Wisconsin,
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  Speaker 2: to in some cases do things that were illegal, and
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  Speaker 2: in other cases do things that I think were illegal.
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  Speaker 2: They're all along the lines of pumping up their side's vote.
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  Speaker 2: In 2024, some groups on the right did a pretty
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  Speaker 2: good job, especially in Wisconsin, of countering these actions from
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  Speaker 2: the left. Turning Point USA came into Wisconsin. with the
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  Speaker 2: assistive funding from Elon Musk, and they went out and
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  Speaker 2: did as much voter mobilization as possible. Voter mobilization is
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  Speaker 2: to get your slackers, your low propensity voters, to get
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  Speaker 2: off their asses and vote. The left has been spectacular
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  Speaker 2: at this. Those types of activities are legal. Some, however,
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  Speaker 2: are not. In the 2020 election in Wisconsin, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to get to the current story in a moment,
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  Speaker 2: We had a giant rally held in Madison weeks before
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  Speaker 2: the election. 2020 was, of course, the election in which
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  Speaker 2: Trump lost very narrowly to Biden, and in Wisconsin, very narrowly.
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  Speaker 2: The event was held in Madison. Thousands of people attended.
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  Speaker 2: It was on the Capitol Square. It was called Democracy
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  Speaker 2: in the Park. Madison election officials attended, and people were
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  Speaker 2: able to vote on the spot and turn their ballots
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  Speaker 2: into election officials. The event was held weeks before in-person
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  Speaker 2: absentee balloting started. The timeline is that people who want
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  Speaker 2: to mail in their votes can get ballots several weeks
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  Speaker 2: before the elections. But to vote in person at an
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  Speaker 2: official facility like City Hall or all the places they
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  Speaker 2: set up in Milwaukee, that has to occur within two
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  Speaker 2: weeks of the election. That's the starting point. This event
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  Speaker 2: was held multiple weeks before the election. The ballots weren't
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  Speaker 2: given to independent organizations. They were given to Madison City officials.
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  Speaker 2: The thing was organized by leftists with the cooperation of
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  Speaker 2: Madison City officials, obviously Madison, the most overwhelmingly Democratic city
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  Speaker 2: in the state. I contend it was clearly illegal. You
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  Speaker 2: can't vote in person with election officials prior to two
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  Speaker 2: weeks before the election, yet these people were voting. In Milwaukee,
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  Speaker 2: an outside organization, a leftist advocacy group, planted its flag
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  Speaker 2: at the Milwaukee Election Commission offices and essentially ran the
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  Speaker 2: get-out-the-vote operation. they outsourced a voter mobilization and voter outreach
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  Speaker 2: operation through the offices of the Milwaukee Election Commission. The
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  Speaker 2: defenders of this are saying, well, it's a good thing
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  Speaker 2: if we can get everybody to vote. The problem, of course,
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  Speaker 2: is that these outreach efforts were only occurring in very,
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  Speaker 2: very liberal cities where the vote would be disproportionately liberal. So,
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  Speaker 2: in 2024... After the legislature passed the measure in two
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  Speaker 2: consecutive sessions, very hard to amend our Constitution, you have
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  Speaker 2: to pass the bill in one two-year session of the
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  Speaker 2: legislature and pass the exact same bill through the Assembly
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  Speaker 2: and the Senate in another two-year session, and then it
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  Speaker 2: has to be approved by the voters. We did the
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  Speaker 2: first two things, and the voters are presented with this measure.
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  Speaker 2: It was in response to the crap that went on
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  Speaker 2: in 2020 that barred outside organizations from from funding, providing
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  Speaker 2: funding for, or being involved in the operation of elections
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  Speaker 2: in Wisconsin. We barred this. Furthermore, by law, the only
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  Speaker 2: entity in Wisconsin that is allowed to train local clerks
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  Speaker 2: is the Wisconsin Election Commission. So these laws are on
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  Speaker 2: the books. Yet, on October 1st and 2nd, A leftist
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  Speaker 2: advocacy group called All Voting is Local is putting on
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  Speaker 2: a seminar for Wisconsin town, village, municipal, city, and county clerks.
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  Speaker 2: The organization is a left of center advocacy group. The
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  Speaker 2: left never likes it when we claim that these groups
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  Speaker 2: are Soros funded, but the fact of the matter is
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  Speaker 2: he funds damn near everything. Now, The last year in
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  Speaker 2: which Soros gave them any money was 2023. When I
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  Speaker 2: say Soros, one of his many organizations that he sets
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  Speaker 2: up through his foundation. Other left-wing groups, the MacArthur Foundation,
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  Speaker 2: all the typical groups that fund the organized left are
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  Speaker 2: all bankrollers of this organization. And they're going to put
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  Speaker 2: on this seminar, October 1st and 2nd, to train local
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  Speaker 2: officials on running the election, first of all. They're not
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  Speaker 2: allowed to do that. Only the Wisconsin Election Commission can
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  Speaker 2: train election officials. Secondly, funding. They say that they will
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  Speaker 2: pay all of the costs of the attendees, including their
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  Speaker 2: meal and travel. So you're going to pay them to come.
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  Speaker 2: That's funding. I contend you can't do it. Now here's
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  Speaker 2: the thing with the law. You can pass laws barring
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  Speaker 2: all sorts of things, but if nobody does anything to
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  Speaker 2: enforce the law.
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  Speaker 2: The law may as well not be on the books.
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  Speaker 2: I have paperwork. This is the letter that was sent
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  Speaker 2: out by Sam Liebert. He's the Wisconsin State Director of
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  Speaker 2: this group, All Voting is Local. By the way, All
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  Speaker 2: Voting is Local is set up in about nine states.
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  Speaker 2: The nine states that they're set up in, they're the
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  Speaker 2: swing states. So you see exactly where they're coming from.
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  Speaker 2: They're not doing anything to promote getting out the vote
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  Speaker 2: in Utah or Mississippi. Dear Wisconsin County Clerks, I'm reaching
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  Speaker 2: out to ask you for your help sharing an upcoming
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  Speaker 2: opportunity with the municipal clerks in your county. On October
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  Speaker 2: 1st and 2nd, all voting is local and our partners
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  Speaker 2: will be hosting the Wisconsin Clerk Safety and Security Conference
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  Speaker 2: in the Wausau area. The conference is designed specifically to
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  Speaker 2: help municipal clerks prepare for the November election. If this
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  Speaker 2: isn't being involved in administering the election, it's to prepare
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  Speaker 2: for the elections. and address the safety, security, and election
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  Speaker 2: administration challenges they may face. Now, some of you are, well,
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  Speaker 2: what challenges with those? I'll tell you about that in
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  Speaker 2: a moment. We especially want to make sure that clerks
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  Speaker 2: from smaller communities, towns, and villages have the opportunities to
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  Speaker 2: attend and access resources that may not otherwise be readily
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  Speaker 2: available to them to help remove barriers to participation. We
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  Speaker 2: are planning to cover lodging, meals, and mileage reimbursement for attendees.
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  Speaker 2: There is no registration cost. The conference is open to
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  Speaker 2: the first 200 municipal clerks who will attend, who register.
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  Speaker 2: The conference will cover a range of practical issues, including
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  Speaker 2: physical safety and security, election contingency planning, emerging threats, and
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  Speaker 2: resources available to clerks, including legal communications and other support
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  Speaker 2: heading into November. Now, if you're wondering what all of
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  Speaker 2: this is code for, every time the right sends any
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  Speaker 2: election monitors or observers in to try to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that people who are presenting credentials are presenting valid credentials
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  Speaker 2: and trying to make sure that the election clerks are
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  Speaker 2: following the law and the handling of ballots. The lefty
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  Speaker 2: starts screaming that this is voter interference. In the meantime,
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  Speaker 2: you'll recall in 2016 in Pennsylvania, in the city of
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  Speaker 2: Philadelphia in particular, you had the Black Panthers come in
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  Speaker 2: and overwhelm the polling places. Nobody objected, well, Republicans objected
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  Speaker 2: to that. So whenever you have anyone who tries to
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  Speaker 2: serve as a watchdog to these elections, they try to
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  Speaker 2: deter them. That's what all of this intimidation and voter
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  Speaker 2: safety crap that they're talking about is. Continuing. We would
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  Speaker 2: greatly appreciate it if you would share this invitation and
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  Speaker 2: registration link with the municipal clerks in your county and
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  Speaker 2: encourage them to attend, particularly those serving smaller municipalities. Wisconsin
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  Speaker 2: clerks do incredibly important work, and our goal is to
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  Speaker 2: make sure they know they have support and resources available
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  Speaker 2: as we head into another major election. Let me interject.
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  Speaker 2: That support is supposed to come from the Wisconsin Election Commission.
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  Speaker 2: That's what Wisconsin law says. It doesn't say that every Tom, Dick,
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  Speaker 2: and Lefty is able to come in and tell clerks
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  Speaker 2: how to run an election. Thank you for your participation
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  Speaker 2: and for everything you do to support Wisconsin's local election officials.
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  Speaker 2: It was great meeting so many of you at your
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  Speaker 2: conference in Stevens Point. Please feel free to reach out
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  Speaker 2: to me directly with any questions. Sam Liebert, Wisconsin State Director.
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  Speaker 2: All voting is local. So this was sent out to
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  Speaker 2: the 72 county clerks in the state of Wisconsin. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how many of them have actually forwarded this
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  Speaker 2: crap to the local clerks and urged them to attend,
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  Speaker 2: but I know one of them that has. Kelly Kretlow
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  Speaker 2: is the county clerk in Ozaukee County. And I've been
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  Speaker 2: provided by someone a copy of the cover letter that
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  Speaker 2: she said in sending out an email to all of
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  Speaker 2: the clerks in Ozaukee County. And Ozaukee County is a
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  Speaker 2: community that it has a bunch of small to medium-sized cities, Mequon, Grafton, Cedarburg,
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  Speaker 2: and so on. And then a bunch of smaller towns.
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  Speaker 2: There's numerous municipalities there. in which Kelly Kretlow, the county
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  Speaker 2: clerk there, specifically endorsed this and encouraged her local clerks
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  Speaker 2: to attend. Her note, her cover note is, Sam sent
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  Speaker 2: this email asking me to share. This is a great opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: If you have time and are interested, please jump at
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  Speaker 2: this chance. All voting is local. We'll be covering all expenses.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, be very wary. Whenever anybody tells any
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  Speaker 2: government official they're going to cover all their expenses, what
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  Speaker 2: is the difference between I'm going to cover all your
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  Speaker 2: expenses for this and a bribe? I mean, there is
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  Speaker 2: a difference, but what is it? It's a fine line here. Now,
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  Speaker 2: let me imagine. We've got numerous organizations here on the
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  Speaker 2: right that have been pushing election integrity. We aren't always
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  Speaker 2: very successful. We can't even get a handful of backward
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  Speaker 2: Republican senators to pass legislation requiring voter ID in all
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  Speaker 2: 50 states and to require that only citizens vote. But
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  Speaker 2: we do have numerous groups on the right that try
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  Speaker 2: to work on these issues of election integrity. What do
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  Speaker 2: you think the chances are that one of these right-wing
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  Speaker 2: groups would be able to put on one of these
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  Speaker 2: seminars and get the county and city clerks in the
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  Speaker 2: state of Wisconsin to show up at this event and
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  Speaker 2: get training from my side? I just can't even, the
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  Speaker 2: eyeballs would pop out of the heads of your basic lefty. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I emailed the county clerk in Ozaukee County, Kelly Kretlow,
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  Speaker 2: essentially asking her, what the hell are you doing? We
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  Speaker 2: passed a constitutional amendment barring outside groups from having anything
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  Speaker 2: to do in financing or assisting in the operation of elections.
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  Speaker 2: And here you're encouraging your clerks in your county to
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  Speaker 2: go out there and participate in something that I claim
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  Speaker 2: directly violates the Constitution. She didn't respond to me because
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  Speaker 2: I actually try to present the position of the people
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  Speaker 2: that I criticize. When I criticize them, I I called
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  Speaker 2: her right before the podcast. And she took the call.
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  Speaker 2: And she stressed, well, safety and security of elections, it
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  Speaker 2: sounds like a good thing. I asked her if she
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  Speaker 2: was aware that this was a left-wing advocacy group financed
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  Speaker 2: by Soros and other leftists. She didn't seem to respond
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  Speaker 2: to that. She just kept going back to that safety
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  Speaker 2: and security of elections sounds like a good thing. Well,
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  Speaker 2: Damn near everything lefties advocate they can make sound like
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  Speaker 2: a good thing. But these clerks aren't supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: involved in anybody's partisan activities. And this is an organization
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  Speaker 2: that has a partisan bent to it. It's a left-wing
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  Speaker 2: advocacy group. And as they say, I contend it's illegal.
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  Speaker 2: She also told me that she listens to the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Does that work in getting me not
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  Speaker 2: to comment critically on it?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: But if she does listen to my podcast, she ought
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  Speaker 2: to be aware that we have all sorts of organizations
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  Speaker 2: that are out there that have tried to influence the
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  Speaker 2: results of these elections. In Milwaukee, we have had in
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  Speaker 2: the past financial assistance from outside groups to provide staffing
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  Speaker 2: to keep some of these polling places. The city operates
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  Speaker 2: these early voting polling places all over the place, and
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  Speaker 2: they run long extended hours. Why are these left wing
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  Speaker 2: groups from around the country coming in and providing Milwaukee
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  Speaker 2: with assistance to provide extra voting hours? The answer is
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  Speaker 2: because they want to get as many people in the
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  Speaker 2: leftist areas to vote as possible. Access to voting ought
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  Speaker 2: to be equal for everyone in the state. And as
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  Speaker 2: important as access to voting, are using the protections that
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  Speaker 2: we provided under the law that no one who isn't
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  Speaker 2: allowed to vote votes. If you're a felon still under supervision,
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  Speaker 2: if you voted in another state, if you are not
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  Speaker 2: a citizen of the United States, or if you've already voted,
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  Speaker 2: you're not allowed to vote. And you got to prove
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  Speaker 2: you are who you say you are. You've got to
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  Speaker 2: show a photo ID, and when you're registered for the
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  Speaker 2: first time, you have to provide documentations proving that you lived.
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  Speaker 2: And if it casts a mail-in vote, you need to
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  Speaker 2: have a witness signing it. These are all things that
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  Speaker 2: are put in under the law. They are the most
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  Speaker 2: minimal protections that you can imagine. They are far less
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  Speaker 2: than what you need to present in order to go
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  Speaker 2: into the airport, or at least head toward the gates
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  Speaker 2: in the airport. Left-wing advocacy groups should not be training
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  Speaker 2: governmental employees. And the reason they're training governmental employees is
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  Speaker 2: they want governmental employees to do certain things that they
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  Speaker 2: believe in. They shouldn't have that access to do it,
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  Speaker 2: and they shouldn't be able to pay these clerks to
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  Speaker 2: listen to their side. Because I know doggone well that
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  Speaker 2: nobody on the right is able to pay off government
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  Speaker 2: officials that listen to say my input on running an election.
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  Speaker 2: This is the real corruption in election administration. We have
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  Speaker 2: a Wisconsin Election Commission that is biased. It's got a
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  Speaker 2: staff of left-wingers I put out the challenge, and it's
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  Speaker 2: never going to be answered. I'd love to know how, who,
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  Speaker 2: let's just say 2024. The 2024 presidential election, I don't
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  Speaker 2: even know how many, 16 staffers maybe at the election commission,
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  Speaker 2: it may be more, it may be less. How many
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  Speaker 2: of them voted for Trump? My guess is zero. The
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  Speaker 2: commission has six members, three supposed Republicans, three supposed Democrats. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: one of the Republican appointees has been on there from
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  Speaker 2: the very beginning, always votes for the Democrats. the former
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  Speaker 2: battle axe clerk in Green Lake County. So the Wisconsin
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  Speaker 2: Election Commission has never aggressively tried to stop fraud in
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  Speaker 2: Wisconsin voting. Providing access to voting is important. Equally important
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  Speaker 2: is to safeguard the integrity of the ballot by doing
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  Speaker 2: everything in your power to stop someone who's not allowed
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  Speaker 2: to vote from voting. And that second part, they've never
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  Speaker 2: taken seriously. So we passed a constitutional amendment to try
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  Speaker 2: to force them to take it seriously. And here comes
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  Speaker 2: this Sam Liebert with his organization. By the way, he
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  Speaker 2: used to be the clerk in this lefty suburb of Madison.
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  Speaker 2: It's called Shorewood Hills, not to be confused with the
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  Speaker 2: Shorewood in Milwaukee. It's like really lefty. It's where the
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  Speaker 2: governor's mansion is. It's like on the east side. It's
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  Speaker 2: on Lake Monona. Anyway, no, Lake Mendota. It's on the
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  Speaker 2: west side. Now I'm mixed up. It's not where the
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  Speaker 2: governor's mansion is. I used to live in Madison. It's
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  Speaker 2: a lefty little town in Madison. Is it the one
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  Speaker 2: on the east side or is it one on the.
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  Speaker 2: I'd stop the podcast and look it up, but actually,
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  Speaker 2: who the hell cares? So that's the guy that runs this. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they take an ex-clerk, they give him a
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  Speaker 2: job to run this lefty organization. He sucks up to
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  Speaker 2: all of the other clerks and feeds leftist propaganda into
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  Speaker 2: their ears. And it's generally a receptive audience. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying all clerks are lefties. They're not. Some are really good.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not as bad as librarians. I've gone through
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  Speaker 2: the fields in which you do a breakdown of the
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  Speaker 2: people who go into a certain field by left versus right.
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  Speaker 2: I have contended that the most lefty organization that we have,
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  Speaker 2: or the most job, is librarians. Public school, university professors
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  Speaker 2: would be over there. Public school teachers would be over there.
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  Speaker 2: I think librarians is number one. Have you ever heard
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  Speaker 2: of a right-wing librarian? I mean, I think back in
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  Speaker 2: the day, you know, when they had those mean women
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  Speaker 2: that were telling you to hush up when you were,
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  Speaker 2: I think they were conservative then. But this has long
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  Speaker 2: since been taken over by lefties. You know, they're the
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  Speaker 2: ones that put the porn in the libraries and let
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: the kids look at all of this crap. What? The
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: trans books in there. I mean, they're the ones that
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: put on the... They had to pimp my... What were
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: you pimping? Pimp my something or another at the Racine
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Library for five-year-olds a bunch of years ago and so on.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: So I.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Anyway, the clerks are in that group, but again, not
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: all of them, but a huge segment of them are,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: including some that come from Republican areas. You see, clerks
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: in Democratic areas, they do everything in their power to
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: offer as much access to voting as possible. But if
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: you're a lefty clerk in a conservative area, you don't
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: provide any access at all. Why do you want to
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: make it easy for these right-wingers in your community to vote?
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: They've got a peach of a clerk out there on Oconomowoc.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: We've been pounding on her to have the same kind
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: of early voting hours that they have in the city
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: of Milwaukee, but they're too much of a large butt
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: or too much of a political agenda to do it. This,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: as I say, is the problem in elections in Wisconsin.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of things that conservatives and advocacy
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: groups focus on, but I think this is the one
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: that they miss. Let me move to another story. The
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: sports world is buzzing over a monster fine handed down
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: to the Los Angeles Clippers. For those of you who
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: don't care about basketball, there's a message in this story.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: For those of you who don't know the background, the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: NBA has a salary cap. It's a convoluted salary cap,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: but when you get to certain, and it's got, what
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: do they call those? Not curtains, terraces, tears. I think
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: it's apron. That's what it is, right? The aprons.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: And it's to stop a team from, say, having a
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: payroll of $ 900 million and some other team has $ 150 million.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: There are ways to work the salary cap. For example,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: you can re-sign your own players and overshoot the cap
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: if you're re-signing your own player. I think that's a
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: simplified version of the Larry Bird rule. But there is
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: a salary cap. So if you want to go out
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: and sign three, four, five free agents or better yet,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Since there is a league maximum, there's a maximum that
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: you can give players. So this is their attempt to
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: try to have some level of a fair playing field
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: in the league. The Los Angeles Clippers that are owned
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: by a billionaire butthead named Steve Ballmer, he was the
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Microsoft CEO when the company stunk. Gates ran the company,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and it went from being damn near a penny stock
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: to one of the largest corporations in the world. The
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: stock flatlined for better than a decade when Ballmer was
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: in there. They finally kicked him out the door, and
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Satya Nadella, who went to UWM, took over, and then
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the stock just exploded again once he figured out this
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: cloud might turn into something, and they expanded their cloud
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: business and so on. Anyway, Ballmer, however, even though they
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: told him to buzz off, Baldy, Kept his stock, so
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: he's worth like $ 150 billion because he's got a lot
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: of Microsoft stock. He owns the Clippers. He wants to
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: win a championship, but he can't win a championship. So
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: he got caught subverting the salary cap with one of
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: his players, Kawhi Leonard. And the way they subverted the
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: salary cap is they cut a deal with a couple
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: of companies that didn't seem to actually have any business
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: at all. to pay Leonard a fortune to be their
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: endorser and spokesperson. There are suggestions that there was money
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: that changed hands between the Clippers and these companies so
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: that they could give the money. In other words, let's
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: imagine that I owned a team and the salary cap
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: is $ 100. I'm offering $ 100, Jason's offering $ 100 to some
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: superstar player. So in addition to the $ 100 that we
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: can all offer, I get one of the sponsors of
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: my podcast here, say Annex Wealth, to hire the guy
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: to do commercials for Annex Wealth for $ 400. Now suddenly
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I've given him $ 500 and let's imagine I gave Annex
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Wealth the money to do it. Well, that's what the
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Clippers got caught doing. The NBA has handed down a
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: staggering punishment. They've taken away their first round draft choice
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: for five years. There are financial fines in there as well.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: They fined Steve Ballmer $ 30 million. Now, again, he's worth
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: $ 150 billion. $ 30 million for him isn't $ 30 million it
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: would be for almost anybody else. They suspend a number
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: of people. But the big thing is they take away
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: the first round draft choices for five years. The Clippers
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: are going to fight it. Now, why did this happen? Well,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: the commissioner of the NBA works for the owners. This
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: happened because the owners of all the other teams were
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: furious about this. These are all guys with giant egos.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: They're mostly billionaires, people who own NBA teams. They all
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: want to win. And here's this guy over there, this
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: goof in Los Angeles, getting around the salary cap. Many
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: of them have the money and personal resources to pay
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: more than the salary cap allows themselves, but they're stopped.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: They want to send a lesson. Secondly, They're trying to
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: deter anybody from doing this again. Losing your first round
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: draft choice for five years, that's a big, big, big penalty.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: The takeaway for the rest of the world is the
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: only way you can prevent people from doing things that
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: you don't want them to do is for the punishment
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: to be harsh and severe. Now, the punishment still has
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: to fit the crime. And they determined that in this case, Essentially,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: guaranteeing that a player that was in demand from multiple
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: teams would come to you because you're able to pay
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: him more than you're pretending to pay him is something
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: that they wanted to deter. You're listening to the Mark
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Belling Podcast. This is the Mark Belling Podcast. There was
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: an interesting exchange on, of all places, CNN. I'll give
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: CNN this. You know when that... CNN, the whole day,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: it's nothing but they have, there'll be a news story
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: out there and then they bring in four or five
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: talking heads to analyze the story. And usually four of
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: the talking heads are lefty and they'll put in one
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: token conservative. Sometimes it's three and two, but it's usually
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: four and one. That guy Jennings usually is the one.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: But at least they do give you at least some balance.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: They all gang up on the one conservative. But it's
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: not like The View. There's actually a right-winger in there.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: And because the left-wingers are so stupid, usually the right-winger
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: gets the best. I mean, that guy Jennings always beats
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: the competition. So anyway, they were on there and the
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: subject of illegal immigration was being discussed. One of the
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: token right winger was Brianna Lyman, who's with the Daily Caller,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: which is a conservative website, and they do podcasts and
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: other things. There's all these daily wires and Daily Caller
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: and Daily Signal is the Daily Caller. Brianna Lyman was
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: on there. The lefty that she was engaging with is
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: named Lee McGowan. And she drew attention, the conservative commentator did,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: to one of the recent instances of an illegal immigrant
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: brutally committing a terrible murder. And the lefty, Lee McGowan said,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: It's just exhausting to keep hearing about these crimes committed
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: by illegals. In other words, her point is, will you
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: get off it? It's so tiresome. Every time an illegal
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: kills someone, we have to listen to and hear and
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: discuss this. I find her choice of words revealing. Of
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: course it's exhausting for her. It's because she can't win
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: the argument. If I was on the losing side of
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: an argument, let's imagine I was trying to argue a
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: position that's preposterous. That over the last 50 years, the
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Bears had better quarterbacks than the Packers. Let's imagine I
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: had argued that the Bears, and then you could argue
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: right now it's close. Maybe the Bears have the upper
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: hand on this one. Time will tell. But over the
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: last 50 years, it hasn't been close. If I had
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: to try to argue, and I'm trying to argue in
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: favor of one of the rag arms of the Bears
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: that trotted over the last 40 years, and then somebody's
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: bringing up some throw that Brett Favre made or some
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: throw that Aaron Rodgers made, it would be exhausting to
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: keep hearing about all those passes and completions that Rodgers made.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: What about the time that you're playing in Soldier Field
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: and it was fourth down and Aaron Rodgers threw that
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: 50-yard touchdown pass to Randall Cobb? Well, I admit, if
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I was a Bear fan trying to argue, that would
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: be exhausting. So yeah, of course this lefty is exhausted
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: to hear that these illegals that the lefties don't think
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: should be thrown out of the country are killing people
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: right and left. It's always exhausting to hear someone make
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: a point that you can't refute. A story to share
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: in tandem with this. In the month of August, which
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: just completed, for those of you listening to the podcast later,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: we're doing this one on September 3rd, the number of
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: arrests of illegals by ICE hit a record. The number
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: is both high and low at the same time. Let
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: me explain the context.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: 51,000.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: That's the most that ICE has picked up in any
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: single month. And that is a record. And they've managed
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: to do this despite overwhelming obstruction everywhere they go. We
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: also hit a record in the state of Wisconsin. This
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: story was on JS Online. They found that the state
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: numbers must lag because they cited the months of June
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: and July. A Milwaukee Journal Sentinel analysis found that ICE
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: detained and arrested more than 250 people in Wisconsin in
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: June alone. an 82% increase compared to the prior month.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: So 250 extrapolated across the nation would not be on
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: par with the 50,000 that we got across the United States.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: But it does show that ICE has been successful in
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: apprehending more and more people as time goes on here.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: But here's the context. Let's imagine they did 50,000 every month.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: That'd be 600,000 a year. We probably have 25 million
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: illegals in this country. Nobody knows the exact number. The
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: estimates before Biden came in and opened up the border
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: were anywhere between 4 and 12 million. And the estimate
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: of the numbers that have come in under Biden have
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: ranged anywhere from another 4 million to as many as
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: 10 to 12 million. So let's just take a middle,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: I'll be conservative and say we have 16 million illegals
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: in this country. Taking out 600,000 a year is like
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: trying to drain the ocean with a straw. There are
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: only so many that you can do. And as I say,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: even if Trump's ICE agency had total cooperation, if there
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: weren't these protests, there wasn't this obstruction, if there were
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: left-wing communities who were refusing to cooperate, if there weren't
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: some businesses that refused to allow ICE, all that stuff.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Let's imagine there was 100% total cooperation and we all
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: had a mission here, that the people who came into
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: this country illegally had to leave the country because they
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: came in illegally. And let's imagine we got the number
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: up to 125,000. That's still barely over a million a year.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: So the problem, obviously, is enormous. And ICE deserves incredible
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: credit for being able to get out as many as
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: they have. But for all this panicking that the left
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: has over all of this, the reality is that the
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: overwhelming majority of illegals are perfectly safe here. There is
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: a priority, despite the fact that the media tries every
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: example that they can find of Some mother with four
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: kids who's never done anything wrong. The reality is that
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: they are prioritizing criminals. They are prioritizing people who have
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: committed separate crimes. They are prioritizing individuals who were already
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: deported and then snuck back in. So you actually have
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: a situation in which I think some conservatives believe that
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: ICE needs to be more aggressive and get more people out.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Whereas at the same time, there's just absolute opposition and
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: hatred directed toward Trump and ICE for trying to get
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: anybody out at all. Joe Rogan made some interesting comments
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: in his podcast this week. I'm not going to play
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: the cut here because I don't have time, but I'm
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: going to summarize. He took up this story of Lindsay Clancy.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: By the way, in my title, I might have said
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Lauren Clancy. Did you Yeah, it's Lindsay Clancy. Or maybe
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I never wrote Lauren Clancy, but that was in my
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: mind in the notes that I sent to Jason, the
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: wrong first name. Lindsay Clancy. Now, as of the time
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: that we're doing this, the jury is still hung. They
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: may well come out and have a mistrial by the
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: time that you hear this or something else may have developed,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: but the jury hasn't decided, and you have this huge
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: group of women across the United States who, defending the
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: murderer who's trying to get off claiming she's insane. This
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: is obviously, it divided the country in the same way
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: that I recall the horror that many of us Americans
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: saw when African Americans cheered the OJ verdict. There are
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: very few people who are more obviously guilty of murder
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: than OJ Simpson. Yet you saw African Americans cheer the
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: fact that he got away with it. And The presumption
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: is that they were cheering the fact that he got
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: away with killing two white people. And there are many
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: white people who simply could not believe that their fellow
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Americans were happy that this murder escaped. Now, I think
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: over time, you know, O.J. 's dead now, and by
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: the time he died, I don't think there's anybody left
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: in Iraq who didn't think that he did it. A
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: lot of the people who were cheering probably realized, you know,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: the guy probably was guilty. But I think you're seeing
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: the same thing right now in which you have a
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: number of people horrified that this vicious monster bitch who
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: killed their kids could be getting support. How depraved are you?
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: No matter what she's going through, it's not as bad
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: as the death that her kids had to put up with.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: So Rogan launched off on this. And I can't say
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: that it's entirely male versus female because I have heard
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: many women that are absolutely outraged at the cretins that
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: are defending this murder. Oh, well, she was overwhelmed. She
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: had postpartum depression.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Try raising eight children in Bangladesh. I don't know if
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: many of them are killing their kids, but we certainly
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: have enough suburbanites here that are, oh, I'm overwhelmed. So therefore,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: the only choice is to smother my children. Rogan went
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: off on this, and the point that he made is
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: another one of those that I think that's just impossible
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: to refute. He said there's no way any of them
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: would be supporting a father who murdered his kids. If
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: this was the father, who I think he's already married
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: and has another wife by now or whatever, doesn't he?
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: He's running around with the new wife. Let's imagine it
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: was him Anyway, you know, he's tired of the marriage,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: tired of the family, and he killed him. Oh, I snapped.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Who would defend him? And people would say, well, that's
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: different because everybody knows that the mother has to do
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: more with raising the children of the father. Well, some
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: cases probably, yes. But we believe. been told forever that
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: there is a maternal instinct. We certainly know that it
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: exists in the animal kingdom. It's short term, but mothers
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: in the animal kingdom guard with their lives their young.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Until they're about a year old, in which they say
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: to hell with them. I don't think they ever come
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: back and visit the mom or whatever. Once they're free
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: to go and free to fly the coop, they fly
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: the coop. But, I mean, you see these videos, like
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: in the animal, lions. There are lions at a pride
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: that might go and eat the babies, but they have
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: to fight off the lionesses, the mothers, who gang up
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: to do anything. They'll take on the stronger male to
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: stop them from eating the young. So we just assume
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: that this same thing applies to human beings because... We're
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: creatures as well. I don't believe it anymore. I don't
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: think there is a maternal instinct. I think the maternal
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: instinct is not innate. We're not born with it. It's learned.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: And I think part of it is learned because you're
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: a good and decent person. I mean, this baby came
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: out of your body stronger than any father could ever claim.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: It didn't come out of the father's body. The father...
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: may have put part of his body into the woman,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: but the child is carried by the mother. Of course
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: there's going to be some sort of bond, you would think,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: and I think that that's something that's learned. And my
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: opinion is that abortion has de-learned that from us. That
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: once we accepted that it's okay for a mother to
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: kill her kids while they're in the womb, it's the
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: ultimate repudiation of the maternal instinct that I think that
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: they're supposed to carry over to that. I mean, there's
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: clearly no paternal instinct. We have enough slugs in our
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: society who go out and father 11 kids and never
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: see any of them. Father unknown. Children raised in the
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: inner city of Milwaukee who've never seen their fathers. There's
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: no paternal instinct with them. You may be fathers who
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: are great fathers, but again, I don't think that it's
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: something innate within them. It's because they're a decent person
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: and they've learned proper values and they've learned that if
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: you're a father, you have not only responsibility, but a
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: desire to care for your children. Same thing with the mothers.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Rogan's point is correct, and I think it's just irrefutable.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: You want to give her a pass for killing her
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: kids because she's a mother. This whole notion of, you know,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: there was a time in which the women's movement was
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: premised on equal rights. Those days are long gone. They
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: want preference now. Right up to and including, you know,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: This argument is 40 years old. I've heard guys make
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: this argument. What if the guy, woman's pregnant, what if
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: the guy wants the baby aborted and the mom doesn't?
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Can the guy force the mom to have an abortion?
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Obviously not. It's her body. Why not? I'm not advocating
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: the position, but people, you know, guys, I'm sure guys
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: that got women knocked up are the ones who've made
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: that argument. Why not? Why is it only the mother
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: that gets to decide if the child is going to
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: be murdered? Certainly now go to the point in which
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: some people are willing to give women passes for killing
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: their born children. And by the way, not babies. I
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: think the oldest one here was five. Five, three, and
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: eight months. Five. And you say, well, she wasn't in
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: her right mind. The exception, I think, proves that there
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: is a rule here. The fact of the matter is
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: that there aren't many women who do this. However, it
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: is also clear that that number is increasing. And the
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: new thing with regard to Lindsay Clancy is you now
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: have lots and lots of people openly supporting and advocating it.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: And there may be some people on this jury who
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: want to let her escape and get away with it.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Rogan referred to this as a mob mentality. I think
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: he's got this figured out. You're listening to the Mark
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Belling Podcast. This is the Mark Belling Podcast. And football
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: season is starting. College football kicking off. There were a
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: few games last week. But kicking off with just about
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: everybody playing this weekend. The NFL doesn't start until next week.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: And what we're going to be doing in the final
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: segment of each of the Thursday podcasts all year, same
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: thing we did last year, is we're going to have
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: a football preview and then point spread picks. And myself,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: joined again for the umpteenth year in a row by
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Mike Rillette of American Sports Analysts in Madison. And for
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: the first time, my new producer, Jason Koch, who's a
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: big-time sports fan and sports expert, he's going to make
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: a point spread pick as well. This is something that
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: started with my old radio show that we did for decades.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: We used to have audience contestants, which is hard to
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: do now that we don't have a live program anymore
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: on a podcast. But let's get with it. And our
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: focus entirely is going to be college football this weekend
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: because the NFL doesn't start until next week. First of all,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: welcome back to Mike Merlet of ASA and Madison. People
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: who are maybe new to the podcast this year may
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: not be familiar with you. Your website is asawins.com. Is
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: there anything that you'd like to share with the audience
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: about specials or promotions that are going on either for
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: the season or anything perhaps for this weekend that you
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: know about yet? And I'll remind the audience that we
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: record the podcast midday on Thursday before any of the
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: games have started to play.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they can take a look at our website. Our
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: seasonal package is up there in any Picks we have
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: for the weekend, we'll have packages up there if they
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: want to buy individual picks. We started off, we had
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: one pick last week. We had Virginia minus four over
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: NC State. They won by 26, so off to a
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: good start.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, that was a really good pick. That was a
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: rare case of a conference game, too. I had one pick, too.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I had nobody to be able to tell it to.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: My pick won by only one point. Should we count
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: our two picks and put them in the.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: I like Eastern Michigan to beat Sacramento State. The points
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: fed was 10. They won by only 11. I actually
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: thought they beat them by 30, but they won by enough.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: But anyway, let's start talking about football this weekend. The
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: big story is clearly Wisconsin and then the Wisconsin-Notre Dame game.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Before we get specifically to Sunday's game between the Badgers
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: and Fighting Irish at Lambeau Field, let's talk about Wisconsin.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Everyone says this is the make or break year for
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Luke Fickle in terms of running. the Wisconsin football program,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: but nobody knows exactly how good they have to be.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Do you put it in terms of the number of wins?
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Do you look for level of improvement on the field?
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Hard to say. I think the general consensus is this
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: is the best team he's had during the several years
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: that he's been at Wisconsin. Do you agree with that?
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: And without focusing just on this weekend's game in general,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: how good do you think Wisconsin will be?
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is the best team he's had,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: and some of that has to do with more money
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: has been infused into the program. I mean, prior to
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: last year's first few years, Wisconsin was near the bottom
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: of the Big Ten from everything that we had gathered
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: as far as NIL and what they paid their players
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. And now they're in
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: the top half after this year. They've got a good
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: group of portal players. Their defense, Mark, should be good again,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: should be really good. It was good enough to win
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: games for them last year, but the offense– 12.8 points
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: per game last year, 134th out of 136 teams. The
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: only two teams that were worse scoring were UMass and Charlotte.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: They have a better quarterback room. Can they run the ball?
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: They were outside the top 100 last year. It sounds
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: like they're going to get back to running the ball.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: The O-line should be better, but they're already banged up.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: They got a couple of starters that might not even
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: play against Notre Dame, and a much easier schedule. So
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: I think they have to get to a bowl game.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: And who knows if that's even enough. Six and six
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: in a bowl game? I'm not sure if that's enough
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: or not. We'll have to see.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: My evaluation of Wisconsin is that Fickle has built a
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: tremendous defense. And the offenses have been terrible. They made
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: a decision in the first two years to try to
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: switch to an air raid offense and brought in an
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. It didn't work. It was a terrible mix.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: The offense regressed terribly. Then combine that with the fact
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: that even after they got rid of that offensive coordinator,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: there were significant injuries. Every big quarterback they brought in
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: has been knocked out for the season or much of
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: the season in the first week or one of the
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: first weeks of the season. And last year, you talk
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: about how terrible the offense was. They were down to
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: their number three and number four quarterbacks at a time.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: There's no guarantee that that isn't going to happen again,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: but it does mitigate probably a A little bit on that.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: My concern about Wisconsin is that the part of the
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: program that has always been its strength remains its weakness.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know that their offensive line is very good.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: And as you say, the two guys on the right
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: side of the line have not practiced at all in
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: the spring. We don't know if they're going to play
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: in week one. They're going to likely have to move
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: guys around all over the place. If you don't have
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: an O-line, the quarterback's going to be running for his
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: life and you can't run the ball. And it takes
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: a while. Usually you don't have starters on offensive line.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Even if you pay a lot of people in the
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: transfer portal to come in, it can take a while
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: to turn that around. The counter to that is the
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin linebacking court is, I think, the best in the country.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, the two guys who were true freshmen last year,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Poza and Catalano, they were as good as any senior
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: linebackers I saw anywhere. You have a couple of additional
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: linebacker that are in there. The defense, I just think,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: should be really, really, really good. The quarterback on the
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: offense is better, but the offensive line is my area
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: of grave concern.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree 100%. They brought in some guys in
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: the portal, but Again, how are those guys going to
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: mesh together and injuries already? If they don't have a
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: good offensive line, they won't be good again. That's just
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: the way it's going to be. I think you hit
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: it on the head with that.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: As I said, I think they're going to be a
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: lot better this year. However, everybody's excited about this first game.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: I think that this is a disaster. I really do.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: When we do our football picks, we do not use
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: games involving FBS, the regular Division I teams who play FBS. FCS,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: which is the smaller half of Division I. I think
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: there might be 40 games in which regular FBS schools
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: play FCS schools. In other words, they take on a gimme.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: They take on a team that should beat by four, five,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: six touchdowns. Wisconsin, on the other hand, is playing maybe
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: the best team in America, Notre Dame. So for a
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: program that's trying to turn itself around and build momentum
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: and turn a corner, they're playing maybe the best team
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: in the country. I think that the timing of the game...
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: It's terrible. My own opinion is Wisconsin's going to be
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: beaten rather badly. I think that the team might get
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: down on itself and the fans will just say, oh, see,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: they're still terrible. It's just they're playing the wrong team.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin had, I think, the toughest schedule in America last year.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: But other than maybe one game, I don't know that
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: they played anybody last year that's better than this year's
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame team is. I think they have no chance.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: I won't say no. very little chance of beating Notre
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Dame and not much chance of being competitive with Notre Dame.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: What do you, I believe Notre Dame savored by 20
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: and a half points. What do you think about the game?
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say the odds makers agree.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, they put Notre Dame is basically a three
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: touchdown favorite in the game. So they don't expect it
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: to be close. I agree with you. I mean, with a,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: I'm sure fickle is, and this is a horrible situation
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: for him to try and turn the team around with
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: this game. to start, he would rather be playing FCS
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: teams as, as, as well in this situation. And you're right.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: Notre Dame, they have more returning production than any team
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: in the country. And they were one of the best
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: teams in the country last year, 14 starters returned for
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: Notre Dame, which used to be not a big, not
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: very many, but now that's.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: That's 14 means nobody left in the portal. I'm in there.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: And by the way, two of those that left, they
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: had two running backs. I think one of the first
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: out of the NFL draft, but, Everybody else is back.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Virtually nobody left in the portal. They've managed to pay
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: their players enough to stay, and I think that there's
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: a culture at Notre Dame that the players who go
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: there are loyal to the program.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: And all that. And now the bad part for Wisconsin
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: is Notre Dame missed the playoffs last year, and they
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: were good enough to win the national championship last year,
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: so they've got their mantra this year of leave no doubt.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: They're going to try and blow everyone out that they can.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they should have made the playoffs. They didn't. So
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: if they can beat somebody by 60, they're going to
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: beat somebody by 60 to just make it obvious how
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: dominant they are. They also have, I think, one of
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: their softest schedules ever because they get to play so
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: many of these ACC teams in the ACC. It's terrible.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame played a freshman quarterback last year. He's back.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: He could be the Heisman winner. And their defense might
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: be the best in the country. I think Wisconsin is
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: going to have a very hard time putting up any
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: offense at all, which is going to bring back I
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: just think all these thoughts of the feebleness of their
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: offense last year, but it could be misleading just given
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: the quality of the opponent that they're facing.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. And their team total at Wisconsin is
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: like 13 and a half in this game. So they
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: don't even expect them to get to two touchdowns playing
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: against the best defense in the country possibly. Here's a
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: quick interesting note, Mark, as far as what Wisconsin, how
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: far Wisconsin has fallen the last two years. They're 20
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: and a half point underdogs here. Between the start of
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: the 1997 season, when we started ASA in 1997, and
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: the 2024 season, that's 28 years. Wisconsin was never an
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: underdog of 20 or more points. This is the fourth
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: time in the last seven games they've been an underdog
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: of 20 or more points dating back to last year,
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: to put that in perspective.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Let's turn our attention to the rest of college football.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Before we get to, there's one other game I want
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: to preview, but You've surveyed and every year, like four
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: or five schools move from FCS up to, I think
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: they still call it FBS, the big part of division one.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: So there's more and more teams to keep track of.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: And I think it's much harder to figure out who's
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: going to be good going into a season. I mean,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: what I used to always do in the past because
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: not many transfers occurred, how many returning starters are back
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: and who are they? It was that simple. But now
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: you may only have a few returning starters, but could
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: be way better because your bad guys left in the
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: portal and you brought in much better players in the portal.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: So I think it's, unless you're doing this, like you're
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: doing it very hard to know. We know who, you know,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: the pollsters and the odds makers are saying are going
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: to be really good teams. I want you to give
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: me one or two themes that you think out there
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: might be a little bit better than people think.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: I'll give you two, Mark. One in the SEC first,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: then one in the Big Ten. SEC, I think South
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Carolina is going to be better than people think. They
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: were 4-8 last year, worst season under Shane Beamer. But
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: the interesting part there is they had a positive point
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: differential last and a positive yards per play differential. So
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: they were much better than their record.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: That means they probably lost close games and lost the
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: turnover battle. Correct.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Their turnover situation was not good. They brought in a
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: new offensive coordinator from TCU who I think will help.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: They've got one of the better quarterbacks that people don't
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: talk about in the country. Sellers is back in his
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: third year starting. They do have a tough schedule. Five
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: of the top 25 teams they'll be facing if you
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: look at their early season.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Rankings.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: But I think there'll be a bowl team this year,
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: and they were 4-8 last year. The next one in
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: the Big Ten, a lot of people, it scares me
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: a lot of people agree with me on this. I
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: think UCLA is going to be much better. They were
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: 3-9 last year. They brought in James Madison, head coach
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: Bob Chesney. And remember, James Madison was in the playoffs
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: last year, and he brought a bunch of players over
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: from James Madison. We've heard this story before in the
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Big Ten.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what Indiana did.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: That's what Indiana did. Now, I'm not saying UCLA will
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: do the same. But they've got a good portal addition.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: They've got 20,000 snaps back from last year, which is
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: number two in the nation, combined with the portal guys.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Decent quarterback. I think they'll be much better than three
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: and nine. I think UCLA is probably looking at a
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: bowl game this year.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: And we talked about Indiana. I mean, at the end
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: of last season, some people thought that they might be
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: one of the greatest teams in the history of college football.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Quite a story. Kurt Cignetti came from James Madison, instantly
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: turned the team around. They did have a monstrous amount
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: of NIL money to spend, much of it coming from
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Mark Cuban. They bought a lot of players, but they
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: were a very well-coached and dominant football team. They actually
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: started the season, some of their wins early in the
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: season were by small margins, their first two or three games,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: but by the end of the year, they were undeniably great.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: They've lost their quarterback, the number one pick in the draft,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: but they have a fair number of guys back. My
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: question is, was Indiana... a fluke, or is this going
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: to be like, say, Alabama when Saban was there, a
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: top contender every single year?
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's a fluke. I don't know if
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: they'll be Alabama level, but let's face it, what Cignetti
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: did has never been, I mean, insane what he did.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: The three years, we talked about this last year, Mark,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: the three years prior to Cignetti getting to Indiana, they
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: were 9-27. He's 27-2 in two years with losses to all.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Ohio State and Notre Dame in a national championship. I
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: don't think anything will change this year. They'll be favored
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: in every game but one at Ohio State. And of
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: the other 11 games, they're probably going to be double-digit
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: favorites in nine or ten of those games. So I
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: think they'll be right back to the way they were.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: The James Madison transfers that came in, there's only one left.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: So that's going to be a little different to see
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: how they do this year. They've got an experienced quarterback.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: Hoover comes in from TCU with 10,000 career passing yards.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: He just turns it over a lot. If Cignetti can
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: get him not to turn it over a lot, they'll
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: be good on both sides of the ball again and
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: be right back in the playoffs, I would guess.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, and I want to preview one other game. Despite
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: the fact that this being the official week one, there
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: really aren't a lot of really glamour matchups. The one
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: that I'm pulling out is I just think a fascinating
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: game because I think you have two programs and two coaches,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: both very prominent, but totally opposite of one another, and
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: that's the game between LSU and Clemson. LSU is coached
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: by Lane Kiffin, maybe the most controversial coach in college football.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: He left Mississippi to go to LSU, and they just
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: live in the transfer portal playing players. In the meantime,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: you have Clemson, former longtime power, which seems to be sliding,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: but a coach there, Dabo Swinney, who doesn't seem to
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: be all that interested in the transfer portal. Wants stability,
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: still wants to do program building, and he's been at
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: his school forever. I mean, two completely opposite styles of
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: coaching and programs themselves. It's the first year of Kiffin
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: and about the 19 millionth year of uh, dabble's money
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: at Clemson. What do you think about that game? LSU
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: and Clemson.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. LSU is a 10 point favorite. So double digit
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: favorite at home. And what you find interesting in the
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: game is the exact same thing. I find interesting to
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: completely different philosophies. LSU portal money can be hard to track.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Some of it might not be accurate as far as
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: what people report.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like the pro leagues where they have
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: salary caps and everybody knows each team's payroll. I mean,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: there's no requirement that you disclose anything. Everybody's just kind
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: of estimating. And I think that Indiana snuck up on
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of people with regard to that, that there
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: wasn't a general awareness of how much money they were paying.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think Mark Cuban ever came out and said,
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: I gave him $ 9 million for football players or whatever
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: the number was.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you said, teams don't have to report
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: how much money they're paying players. But from everything we've heard,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: LSU paid more money than anyone. We're talking $ 45 million-ish
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: in the portal. And Clemson took their money, which was
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: much less, and used it to maintain the players they have.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: And here's an example of that. Clemson, in their two deep,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: has one portal transfer in their two deep. LSU's going
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: to have 13 portal guys that transfer that are going
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: to start in the game. So more than half the players...
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: are going to be new, including the quarterback. Levitt from
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: Arizona State was one of the highest-paid quarterbacks for LSU,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: and Clemson's quarterback's been around. He's a senior. He's been
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: in the program for four years, and he's going to start.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: So completely different situations.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Can Swinney's way of doing it at Clemson sustain? I
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: just think there's a great corollary in college basketball, and
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: that's Marquette. Shaka Smart, for the first several years of
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: NIL in the transfer portal, just said, what we have
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: in NIL money, we're giving to our players that are
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: already here. And indeed, almost nobody left Marquette. And because
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: they had pretty good recruiting, they had a couple of,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: you know, Big East players of the year in there.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Nobody left. They were a strong team. And then the
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: most recent recruiting class a couple of years ago wasn't
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: all that good. They had no portal players came in
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: and they dropped off terribly last year. And I think
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: that there was, you know, Shaka Smart got religion and
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: They brought in transfer portal players this year, and I
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: think that they now realize that you can't just do
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: program building, that you have to, A, go out and
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: buy players, and, B, encourage some of yours that aren't
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: that good. Why don't you leave and go somewhere else
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: where you might be able to play so we can
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: use your scholarship for some other player that's over there?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Is Clemson going to have to realize that we're in
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: an era of paying players and you have to pay players,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: or can they do it the old traditional way? I think.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: First of all, I think basketball and football are completely different.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, basketball, you're talking about 10 or 12 players.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: And only five on the team at one time. You're right.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Getting one or two great players in basketball is transformative. Yeah,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: you're right about that.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: It changes everything on your team. Whereas Clemson, you know,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: they retain most of their players. I think this year
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: will be really telling. Clemson last year was a top
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: 10 team to start the season. They finished 7-6 despite
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: being favored in 11 of their 13 games. So a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: down season for them, obviously. They've been in the playoffs
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: seven of the last 11 seasons. We'll see this year.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: Now not as much pressure on them. I think they'll
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: hang around in that first game. I think that's... Well,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: they have the advantage.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: The ACC is a joke. I mean, first of all,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: there's a million teams in there, and other than Miami,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: none of them are ever any good.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Virginia Tech's occasionally good. Pittsburgh's never as good as you
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: think they're going to be. Maybe Belichick is this year
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: isn't going to be terrible, but it's just it's a
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: bad league. So, I mean, if you're going to have
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: a program that tries to do it the Davos Swinney
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: way and Clemson, they're in the right league to try
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: to pull it off.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. If they were in the SEC or
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Big Ten, can't do it. But in the ACC, they
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: might be able to. We'll learn a lot this year.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: If they have another seven and six season, it's going
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: to be tough to continue that way. He's going to
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: have to change his philosophy, I think, if that happens.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's hard to say at what point the university
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: and the alumni tell a guy who won a couple
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: of national championships that he has to go. But those
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: things have changed as well. Winning championships is no guarantee
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: anymore that you can't be fired. Everybody's in a win now. mentality. Again,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: we're going to do our football segment as the final
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: segment of each Thursday podcast. Next week, we're going to
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: focus almost entirely on the NFL with next week being
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: the first weekend of the NFL. Again, that was... Oh, oh, oh!
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: We didn't do our point spread pricks, did we? I
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: almost ended too quickly in my old age senility. Maybe
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: that means that subconsciously I know that I'm going to
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: lose this week. I think it's really hard. You only
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: have college football games to pick from and unless you...
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: pick some of the games involving the few teams that
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: played last week. We're also going to have Jason take
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: part in it this year. Jason's a giant sports fan.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: We're going to keep records of this, unless of course
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: I do terribly, and then we're going to pretend that
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: we don't have any records at all. So Jason, give
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: me the game first of all. Don't give me your pick.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: Give me the game that you would like to choose on,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: and I'll give you the point spread that we have
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: quoted here. We do allow over-unders as well.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: Northwestern versus South Dakota State.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: Northwestern versus South Dakota State. Jason's from Illinois. You went
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: to Northwestern, right? I did.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: You went to.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: Northwestern and South Dakota State.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: The Jackrabbits.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: That's his FCS team.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: Yes, FCS team.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: We don't allow those.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, you don't?
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: Well, I got a backup game, Mark.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: I can give you a pass on that because I
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: might not have made that clear to you going in.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: There are lines on those games. I just don't have
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: one in front of me. I'm going to make an
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: exception because I didn't tell you that. And rather than
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: make you pull a game out of the fly, I'll
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: let you use that. But you're going to have to
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: tell me what the point spread is. Do you know?
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: Northwestern is favored by 13.5 points.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Northwest is favored by 13.5 points. And you said, is
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: it South Dakota or South Dakota State?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: It's South Dakota State.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: And did they win the national championship in FCS last year?
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: No, they did not. I think that was Montana or
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: Montana State.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: But I think they were very good, weren't they?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: They were okay, yeah. Montana State beat Illinois State last year.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: That's right. Illinois State came from nowhere and made it
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: all the way to the title game. Yeah, I'm going
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: to let Jason make that pick in there this week.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's still a point spread on at 13.5.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Who do you like?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: And I like Northwestern to cover the 13 and a
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: half South Dakota state did play last week. They played
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: stats and they crushed them, but Chip Kelly's now the
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: offensive coordinator at Northwestern. They've upgraded a little bit talent wise.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: And I think they want to make a statement week one.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: So I think Northwestern wins by two touchdowns and they
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: get the extra points too.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if you pay any attention to
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: the FCS games or use them. There used to be
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: that there weren't really point spreads.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Until late on. But now you can bet on almost
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: all of those games. Um, Legally, including in Wisconsin at Pottawatomie,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: they have lines on all of those games. I don't
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: know if you follow that game for that reason, but
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: he has an interesting pick there. I actually did not
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: know Chip Kelly was now at Northwestern.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: He's the offensive coordinator.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is the offensive. I mean, guru of
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: all time, Oregon, Philadelphia.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: Eagles, Ohio state to Ohio state. Yeah.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Any thoughts on that.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: Game, Mike? Yeah. I mean, South Dakota state's been one
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: of the best teams in FCS forever. I mean, They're
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: really good.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Is Northwestern playing in that new stadium yet?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: They are playing at their lakefront stadium, not the.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: New one yet. They're still at that soccer field, that
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: goofy soccer field out there. Yes, they are. Well, if
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: it's like the way the Brewers and the Cubs are playing,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, all the punts will be seven. If the
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: wind's blowing out again, I mean, the baseball games, the
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: balls are blowing out right and left. Anyway, I interrupted Mike.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Mike.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that stadium, just on a side note, is
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: a good thing to watch for totals. if that's literally
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: right on the lake and there's no, it's so small,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: nothing really blocks the wind. So if it's windy there,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: that it's tough to pass in that stadium. I don't disagree.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: A Northwestern new quarterback, Charles from Michigan state was a,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: is a decent player. You know, they'll probably want to
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: make a statement in their first game. As long as
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: it's under two touchdowns, I don't disagree with that. Okay.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Time to get a game from Mike.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: I'm going to look at, um, Coastal Carolina at West Virginia.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: It's one of the earliest games on the board.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: I see it. I found it right away. Coastal Carolina
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: and West Virginia. West Virginia is home team and they're
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: favored by 21 points. West Virginia. I mean, it's always
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: been hard ever since the conference realignments have gone on.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: It's been hard remembering which teams are in which conference.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: But it got really hard this year because the Pac-12
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: got recreated and they raided the Mountain West. So like
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: most of the Mountain West teams are now in the Pac-12.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: So the Pac-12, the Mountain West went and grabbed a
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: bunch of other teams. And then there's always the confusion
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: of who's in Conference USA and who's in the Sun
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Belt and all of that stuff. But I think I'm
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: on top of this. West Virginia's been in the Big
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: 12 for the last number of years. And Coastal Carolina, ugh.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Are they in the Sunbelt, Mike, or are they in USA?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: They're in the– I think they're in Conference USA.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: Whichever one they're in, they've been a pretty good program.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: West Virginia, this is the second year that Rich Rodriguez,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: the former Michigan coach and who came to fame in
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: West Virginia and went to Arizona State, been a lot
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: of places. He's back there in his second year. So
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: they're favored by 21, so people think that in his
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: second year they're going to be an improved team. What
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: do you think about it, Mike?
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree. First of all, coastal, you're right.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: Coastal's in the Sunbelt. With all the movement, there's Pac-12
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: now is different. The Big 12's out. West is completely different.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: It's been crazy. But I like West Virginia minus 21
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: in this game. Rich Rodriguez. in his second year, he's
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: going to try to run the ball like crazy. They
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: have one of the best offensive lines returning 5,700 snaps
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: back on their offensive line, which is third best in
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: the country. They went out and grabbed the leading rusher
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: in the country from last year from Jacksonville State. who's
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: led the nation rushing.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: And that's the program he came from two years ago,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: Jacksonville State, so he knows that player.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: They were good last year. That's a solid program. Hawkins
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: is a quarterback from Oklahoma, very mobile. Coastal Carolina, brand-new staff.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: Everything's new from Missouri State. Brand-new schemes on both sides
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: of the ball. It looks like their quarterback situation is
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: going to be weak. It looks like they'll be starting
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: a redshirt freshman that came last with him from Missouri
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: State that didn't even start there. He only played in
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: a couple games in mop-up time there. Coastal Carolina was
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: near the bottom of the FBS 131st, just stopping the
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: run last year. I think it's a game where Rich Rod,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: you know, with a losing season last year, make a statement,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: get the fans excited, get the players excited. I think
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: if he gets a chance to run it up, he will,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: and I think they'll win by more than 21.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: You know, every team now has a song that the
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: team comes out to or the song. That's the, you know,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin is the, after the third quarter jumper out and on.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: The West Virginia one is really cool. They play John
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: Denver's take me home country roads and everybody in there
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: sings because everything stadiums always packed. Because frankly, if you're
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: in West Virginia, what other sports do you have? You
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: just have West Virginia. Anyway, Mike lays a lot of points,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: 21 saying that West Virginia will be coastal Carolina by
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: more than that. Jason's land, a fair number taking Northwestern
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: to beat South Dakota state by 13 and a half.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: The game that I'm looking at is, I have an
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: in-state game. The only person who I would think right
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: off the top of his head already knows every game
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: that's an in-state game is Mike. You want to take
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: a guess?
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: In-state game.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: Both teams are from the same state.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, oh, in the same state. I thought you meant
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: a game in-state Wisconsin.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. In-state game in terms of both of
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: the teams are from the same state.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: You get a lot of those in the state of Texas, obviously.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what it could have been. It could
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: have been Western Michigan and Michigan, but it's not. I'm
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: going to the game. It's in Virginia between Liberty and
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: James Madison. James Madison, as I said, this is now
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: becoming a legendary program. This is where Cignetti came from,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: did nothing but win, went to Indiana and built a dynasty.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: He leaves, even though Cignetti left, they don't, Step back
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: at all. Chesney, the guy who succeeded him there, still
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: dominant at James Madison. Great team. They made the playoffs
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: last year, even though Cignetti left. So now he leaves
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: and he goes to UCLA. So they're on their third
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: coach and they hire a pretty high-profile coach. Billy Napier
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: was the coach of Florida. Got fired last year. And
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: he now goes to James Madison. He had earlier succeeded
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: at Louisiana Lafayette. But there is total turnover on that team.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: James Madison has been hit hard in the transfer portal.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: They have a totally new coaching staff. I also question,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: you know, Billy Napier was under, it was just a
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: draining job at Florida. He was under constant pressure. They
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: let him go. I wonder, does a guy like that
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: need a year to recharge his batteries rather than take
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: over a new program, get to know 100 new players,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: bring in all these guys in the transfer portal? I
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: wonder how organized they are. Liberty, on the other hand,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: They have a really good coach, Jamie Chadwick. He, in fact,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: used to be at Coastal Carolina. Liberty's good almost every year.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: They're from a bad conference. But they came off a
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: disappointing season last year in which they were 4-8. They
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: have a lot of returning players back. They have total
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: stability on the coaching staff. Both teams had wide-open competitions
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: for quarterback. And as of yesterday, neither team had named
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: their quarterback starter. I think that all screams to take
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: the underdog. The point spread is 6-6. I'm going to
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: take Liberty on the road. The schools are 100 miles apart.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Liberty on the road to cover a six-point spread, and
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: I actually think they're going to beat James Madison. I
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: take Liberty over James Madison. James Madison, great program, but
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: in transition this year against a very stable team in Liberty.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: We all had kind of obscure games. Jason's is so
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  Speaker 2: obscure that he violated the rules that admittedly I didn't
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  Speaker 2: tell him that those were part of the rules. I
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  Speaker 2: guess Mike has the highest profile game. Any thoughts on
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: my game? Liberty to cover against James Madison.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting. You mentioned Chad. Well, the head coach at Liberty
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  Speaker 3: left coastal, you know, I went against coastal Carolina in
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  Speaker 3: my pick and he had a really good record.
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  Speaker 2: He was like.
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  Speaker 3: 15 games above 500 there. And since they've been about 500,
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  Speaker 3: so they've been a program in decline since he left.
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  Speaker 2: I agree.
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  Speaker 3: It's a game we're looking at. We're looking at Liberty
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  Speaker 3: as potential play. James Madison, 108th and returning snaps. I
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  Speaker 3: don't like the Napier hire necessarily, but, Sometimes it's better
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  Speaker 3: they just hire someone from within like they have in
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  Speaker 3: the past or a smaller conference-type school. And I think
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  Speaker 3: Liberty has a really good chance to win the game.
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  Speaker 2: I think when coaches go backward in the very next year,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't always work. It can work when there's time
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: in between. We mentioned Rich Rodriguez, who had been at
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: Arizona State, took some time off, went to Jacksonville State,
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  Speaker 2: rebuilt his career, did so well that he went to
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  Speaker 2: West Virginia. It can work, but when a coach– leaves
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: and he's taking bringing some retreads from his old staff
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know that it's an ideal situation and
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  Speaker 2: I think that whatever good they do there may take
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: a few weeks it is even though they're from the
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: same state it's a non-conference game and I think that
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: Liberty might be the better team straight up I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if home field advantage matters in games like this
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  Speaker 2: but the schools are close together I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: they're necessarily rivals there's a lot of schools in Virginia
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  Speaker 2: but I like Liberty so to recap the picks here
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  Speaker 2: I'm taking Liberty to cover a six point spread against
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  Speaker 2: James Madison. Jason's taking Northwestern to win by 14 or
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: more against South Dakota State, and Mike needs a wipeout.
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  Speaker 2: He's taking West Virginia to win by more than 21
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: against Coastal Carolina. Again, the next segment will be the
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: final segment of the podcast next Thursday. Thanks to Mike,
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  Speaker 2: and talk to you then.
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  Speaker 3: Bye.
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