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GIRL-SCHOOL-SHOOTER'S DARK ONLINE LINKS TO SITE 'WATCH PEOPLE DIE,' ACCOMPLICE IDed? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the girl school shooters, dark
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Speaker 1: online past links to odd and scary size like watch
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Speaker 1: people Die, and in the last hours has an accomplice
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Speaker 1: been identified?
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Speaker 2: Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 4: Wisconstant School is met with tragedy. A fifteen year old
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Speaker 4: student armed with a nine millimeter handgun shoots a student
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Speaker 4: and a teacher dead injuring six others.
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Speaker 1: Who is this girl, just fifteen years old, going down
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Speaker 1: in the history books as one of the very few
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Speaker 1: female school shooters. What possessed a teen girl to have
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Speaker 1: an obsession with dark and morbid, even gruesome websites?
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Speaker 2: What if anything, did her parents know?
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Speaker 1: As law enforcement desperately seeks a motive for a horrific
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Speaker 1: school shooting at a private Christian school, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Police Chief Sean Barnes.
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Speaker 5: Today at ten fifty seven am, our team was called
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Speaker 5: to the Abundant Life Christian School in reference to an
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Speaker 5: active shooter. We know that three people are dead, including
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Speaker 5: the suspect shooter. We know that the suspect shooter was
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Speaker 5: a teenage student who attended the school. Two other people
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Speaker 5: have died. That died were a teacher and a teenage student.
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Speaker 5: Six other people were injured. Two students are now in
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Speaker 5: critical condition in the hospital and these injuries are considered
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Speaker 5: life threatening injuries.
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Speaker 2: Why why, why did this happen?
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Speaker 1: We're just seeing the chiefs and video from our friends
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Speaker 1: at Fox nine Minneapolis, Saint Paul joining me an all
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Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of what we are learning
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Speaker 1: this as.
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Speaker 2: It emerges a much older.
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Speaker 1: Man that she apparently had met online may have planned
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Speaker 1: a simultaneous terror attack to go down at the same
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Speaker 1: time that she unleashed a heel of bullets and a
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Speaker 1: private Christian school.
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Speaker 2: Why is this happening? How is this happening?
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Brian Jones joining us out of Milwaukee
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Fox six in Milwaukee, Bria, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. First of all, let's go back to
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Speaker 1: that moment and dissect what we know happened at the school.
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Speaker 2: What happened when.
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Speaker 6: Nancy authorready say on Monday that fifteen year old girl
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Speaker 6: we know Natalie Rubbnow they say she went by Samantha.
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Speaker 6: She opened fire inside of a study hall classroom at
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Speaker 6: Abundant Life Christian School. The school is K through twelve,
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Speaker 6: about four hundred students.
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Speaker 7: This is a private Christian school.
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Speaker 6: We know that ultimately she shot and killed two people,
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Speaker 6: a fourteen year old girl who has been identified as
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Speaker 6: Ruby Bergara, as well as a forty two year old
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Speaker 6: teacher that was identified.
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Speaker 7: As Aaron West.
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Speaker 6: Now we know that there are six other people who
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Speaker 6: were also shot. Late last night, there was not a
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Speaker 6: press conference. I was actually at the school yesterday. There
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Speaker 6: was not a press conference, but around nine o'clock we
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Speaker 6: did receive an update from the police chief that at
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Speaker 6: least four of these victims have been released from the hospital,
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Speaker 6: two of them still in critical condition, fighting for their lives.
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Speaker 1: Today, let's straight out to you, Robin Drake, behavior expert,
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Speaker 1: former FBI Special Agent for My Purposes, chief of the
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Speaker 1: FBI counter Intelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, author of Sizing People
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Speaker 1: Up and Unbreakable Alliances.
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Speaker 2: Robin, we always look to why.
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Speaker 1: Of course that's not required in a court of law,
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Speaker 1: but could I just point to what we are learning
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Speaker 1: about a sick website that she seemingly was obsessed with,
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Speaker 1: called Watch People Die. Apparently there are over three million
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Speaker 1: people in all that have ever visited this website.
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Speaker 2: It's graphic. It's upsetting.
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Speaker 1: It's people getting shot to death, run over, killed, beheaded
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Speaker 1: in school. It includes videos of international incidents like the
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Speaker 1: horrible Isis beheadings we saw over and over and over
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Speaker 1: and worse. If you can imagine why as a fifteen
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Speaker 1: year old girl visiting sites like that, why did she
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Speaker 1: have access to a gun? Why is she wearing a
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Speaker 1: shirt almost identical to the one worn by a Columbine
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Speaker 1: shooter that features some German electro band on it. She
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Speaker 1: obviously was obsessed with them too, And how come nobody
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Speaker 1: knew anything about it? I find that really hard to believe.
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Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, you just hit all the motives right there.
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Speaker 8: That police said they're going to be looking for. These
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Speaker 8: things just don't happen. They don't go from zero to
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Speaker 8: I'm a great kid today to I'm going to kill
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Speaker 8: people tomorrow. They are groomed into violence, they're desensitized the violence.
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Speaker 8: The fact that a twenty year old is corresponding with her.
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Speaker 1: I do not believe that the parents groomed her violence.
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Speaker 2: I don't No, I don't mean at.
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Speaker 1: School, this tiny, ety bed Christian school. They did not
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Speaker 1: groom her into violence. So who are you saying groomed
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Speaker 1: her into violence.
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Speaker 2: You think the parents went.
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Speaker 1: On a whip looks up beheadings by isis Nope.
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Speaker 8: So this Columbine effect that happened ever since the Columbine shooting,
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Speaker 8: there's a subculture out there of these people and you've
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Speaker 8: noted them on social media that are are just groomed
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Speaker 8: into this. When you are feeling disenfranchised, when you're feeling
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Speaker 8: like you're bullied, or you're going through some traumatic things
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Speaker 8: that home, and you're looking to feel connected somewhere, this
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Speaker 8: is where some of these teenagers are going. And so
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Speaker 8: that's where she was groomed into violence. And so this
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Speaker 8: twenty year old, it's part of this network in some way,
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Speaker 8: and I think we're going to seeing a lot more
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Speaker 8: tendrils come out from there. And so that's what I
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Speaker 8: meant about grooming. It wasn't the parents or anyone in
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Speaker 8: her immediate circle where she was at, because she was
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Speaker 8: pretty disconnected from what we're hearing.
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Speaker 1: Philip Dubay joining me, a high profile defense attorney joining
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Speaker 1: us out of La Philip, just take off your defense
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Speaker 1: hat for just one moment. I want to analyze what
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Speaker 1: the chief just said. We don't know about her disciplinary
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Speaker 1: records because we don't have those records.
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Speaker 2: What have they ever heard of a subpoena?
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Speaker 1: Get the records. This is a murder investigation. It's not
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Speaker 1: hard to write out a subpoena duke is taken, which
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Speaker 1: is basically a subpoena not for your testimony, but for
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Speaker 1: your documents.
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Speaker 2: I want to know what the school knew.
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Speaker 1: Because in this most recent Georgia's shooting, remember that that
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Speaker 1: shooter had but just transferred to the Georgia school. And
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Speaker 1: what the Georgia School did not have was his eight
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Speaker 1: inch thick file on disciplinary problems from his old school.
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Speaker 2: So I don't want to hear we don't have the
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Speaker 2: records and get the records.
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Speaker 9: No, I agree with you. The problem is is I
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Speaker 9: think there are two types of records that are kept
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Speaker 9: by the school. They have what's called your official record
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Speaker 9: that the district has and the school has right there
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Speaker 9: on the premises. And then they have what we call
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Speaker 9: your traveling file, meaning it contains all the notes from teachers,
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Speaker 9: from the nurses as opposed to your academic progress, any
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Speaker 9: special needs that you might have in the school. If
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Speaker 9: the traveling file doesn't make it to your next school,
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Speaker 9: then the new school has no knowledge of your history.
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Speaker 9: So I think there should be a change of the law.
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Speaker 7: That your bullshit.
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Speaker 9: Get your traveling.
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Speaker 1: File, Debay, you're trying to compare this to the cult
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Speaker 1: great case where there was a mass shooting in a
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Speaker 1: school in Georgia where the file didn't follow him.
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Speaker 2: That is so lame.
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Speaker 1: Why would you have a student in your school that
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Speaker 1: could be a security.
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Speaker 2: Risk because and you don't know what you think is
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Speaker 2: you don't have the file.
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Speaker 9: Welcome to the twenty first century. This is what happens.
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Speaker 9: One hand doesn't know what the other is doing. It's terrible.
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Speaker 9: You get the official record, but you don't get the
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Speaker 9: traveling file that has nurses notes, complaints from other teachers,
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Speaker 9: complaints from other kids. Instead, you just have an academic
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Speaker 9: profile of how the kid is doing scholastically. It's a
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Speaker 9: breakdown in communication between the schools. So what does this mean.
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Speaker 9: It means that we need to change in the law.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, You can tell that to the
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Speaker 1: families of the two dead victims joining right now. In
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Speaker 1: addition to Bria Jones, Robin Drake and Philip Debay, Katherine Schweid.
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Speaker 1: Katherine Schweid, the creator of the FBI's Active Shooter Program.
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Speaker 1: Former Chicago prosecutor, career FBI special agent who authored Stop
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Speaker 1: the Killing, How to End the Mass Shooting Crisis, and
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Speaker 1: How to Talk about Guns to Anyone. Catherine, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. This sounds like a broken record.
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Speaker 1: After the Georgia mass shooting in a school, it was
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Speaker 1: highlighted the significance of getting records from the previous school.
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Speaker 1: Now what group now's records show? I don't know that,
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Speaker 1: but I think it's a huge dear election and duty
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Speaker 1: for the current school not to insist on those before
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Speaker 1: they allow students in.
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Speaker 10: No, I'm with you on thatt Nancy. You know you
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Speaker 10: have to know what's coming. And I'll tell you. I
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Speaker 10: live in Virginia, Northern Virginia about I don't know, a
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Speaker 10: few blocks away from the shooter who shot up Virginia
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Speaker 10: Tech High School or Virginia Tech University and his that
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Speaker 10: shooter went to my kids school where my two kids
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Speaker 10: went to high school, and that shooter at Virginia Tech
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Speaker 10: had problems in high school. That information was never passed
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Speaker 10: to Virginia Tech, and then Virginia Tech had no idea
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Speaker 10: that this kid had all kinds of issues when he
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Speaker 10: was in high school. What happened after that is that
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Speaker 10: the state legislature changed the law and said information has
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Speaker 10: to pass from school to school. And we have seen
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Speaker 10: this in a lot of cases where a shooter moves
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Speaker 10: up and not just a shooter, right, but another student
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Speaker 10: who's got violent ideation. They move from one school to
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Speaker 10: another because they're kicked out of one school or kicked
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Speaker 10: out of another. I will say this school is a
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Speaker 10: twelve two K school, so I think we have to
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Speaker 10: verify exactly how long she's been there. But absolutely, you're right,
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Speaker 10: the records have to move with because there isn't a
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Speaker 10: way for the teachers to know what they're dealing with
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Speaker 10: and whether this is an explosive kid or whether this
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Speaker 10: kid is buried in their own world and going to
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Speaker 10: cause a problem that isn't going to have we don't
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Speaker 10: know about.
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Speaker 1: Actually, you said that they've got to know whether the
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Speaker 1: kid has quote buried in their own world. I don't
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Speaker 1: know how they have access to a student, a child's
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Speaker 1: social media be goes. I had to tell you something,
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Speaker 1: Drake Robin Drake FBI behavioral analysis expert. According to what
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Speaker 1: we're learning now, she allegedly posted under the user name
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Speaker 1: Crossixer cross sixer and commenting on a video suicide saying
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Speaker 1: gotta be thinking of something while hanging himself. She writes,
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Speaker 1: I wonder what a lot of people think before they die,
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Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 2: Like just simply if it's they want to die.
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Speaker 1: At all, or just nothing, or perhaps just sex or
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Speaker 1: something stupid. One thing I would bother.
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Speaker 2: To think is just do it already if I was
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Speaker 2: killing myself. But I guess it depends on the situation.
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Speaker 1: It goes on and on, Robin Drake, she's commenting so casually,
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Speaker 1: almost flippantly about homicide and suicide.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a lot of idolization going there, and it's
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Speaker 8: extremely sad that there's not more observation going on with
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Speaker 8: her from her parents. I mean, the parents' culpability in
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Speaker 8: this is going to be really interesting as it comes out.
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Speaker 8: And the big thing here access to firearms, kids and
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Speaker 8: individuals that are showing a pattern of behavior over time,
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Speaker 8: because again I said, this doesn't go from zero to
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Speaker 8: one hundred. Access to firearms is really key and critical.
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Speaker 8: How does someone like this have it? They shouldn't and
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Speaker 8: she shouldn't.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Brian Jones joining us Fox
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Speaker 2: six Milwaukee.
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Speaker 1: What if anything, do we know about her manifesto? Why
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Speaker 1: is a fifteen year old girl writing a manifesto anyway?
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Speaker 1: An evil manifesto likely about death, bitterness, anger, and nobody
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Speaker 1: notice that when.
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Speaker 6: Azi At this point, the big thing is that the
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Speaker 6: police chief, the mayor of Madison, they're all saying that
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Speaker 6: they want to avoid misinformation. They're trying to verify exactly
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Speaker 6: where this alleged manifesto came from.
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Speaker 7: A lot of concerning words in there.
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Speaker 6: We could see there's obviously some trouble with the family
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Speaker 6: coming from this manifesto as well if it's actually from her.
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Speaker 7: Right now, the big thing the police chief.
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Speaker 6: They're saying they're just working to confirm investigating where exactly
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Speaker 6: this document came from. We know they executed a search
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Speaker 6: warrant at her home. That's where they say they retrieved
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Speaker 6: some information that could be vital to determining the authenticity
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Speaker 6: of that alleged manifesto.
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Speaker 11: A second grade teacher at Abundant Life Christian School in Madison, Wisconsin,
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Speaker 11: calls nine one one at ten fifty seven am to
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Speaker 11: report an active shooter inside a study hall classroom at
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Speaker 11: the private Christian School inside the study hall, class students
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Speaker 11: from several different grades dive for cover.
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Speaker 12: A deputy with the Dane County Sheriff's Office is first
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Speaker 12: to arrive on the scene, followed twenty four seconds later
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Speaker 12: by a Madison police officer, and they immediately enter the school.
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Speaker 12: Inside the school, officers report the shooter is down and
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Speaker 12: the weapon has been recovered.
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Speaker 4: Fifteen year old Natalie rubbnow also known as Sam has
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Speaker 4: a troubled and turbulent home life. It all comes to
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Speaker 4: a boiling point one Monday morning as gunshots ring out
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Speaker 4: in the abundant life Christian schools hallways, saying a.
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Speaker 2: Turbulent home life.
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Speaker 1: The parents were divorced and remarried, and divorced and remarried.
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Speaker 1: Then they have her going back and forth between homes
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Speaker 1: like every two or three days. I would be more
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Speaker 1: worried because both parents seem to be loving there. She
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Speaker 1: is getting a karate belt about her sick obsession with
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Speaker 1: watching people die online and the fact that she is
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Speaker 1: apparently courting online with a year old.
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Speaker 2: Throw in a gun.
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Speaker 1: And target practice with an obsession with Columbine.
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Speaker 2: And you have a school shooting in the making.
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Speaker 11: Listen Madison fire department arrives on the scene to begin
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Speaker 11: providing immediate care and treatment of the wounded. Of the
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Speaker 11: eight people who are shot, four people are transported to
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Speaker 11: SSM Health Saint Mary's Hospital and three are transported to
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Speaker 11: University of Wisconsin Hospitals. One of those victims dies on
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Speaker 11: the way to the hospital, and one of the gunshot
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Speaker 11: victims is pronounced dead at the scene.
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Speaker 1: Joining us as are now Medical Examiner Board certified forensic
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Speaker 1: pathologist doctor Eric Asen, doctor Ason. I've been thinking about
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Speaker 1: the victims in this case and all the many near victims.
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Speaker 2: Their deaths were very likely not instant. Explained well, A
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Speaker 2: lot of.
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Speaker 13: It depends on where the gunshot wounds were located on
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Speaker 13: the body. If you have a wound to the head,
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Speaker 13: it's probably going to be pretty quick, but wounds to
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Speaker 13: the chest or even to the abdomen, oftentimes death doesn't
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Speaker 13: occur immediately at that point in time. You're going to
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Speaker 13: have to have a time period where blood loss occurs
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Speaker 13: and then death will occur. And then we also have
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Speaker 13: victims that are still in the hospital right now and
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Speaker 13: hopefully they'll make it, but their injuries are pretty serious.
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Speaker 13: But it just really all depends on how many times
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Speaker 13: each individual shot and the location of the wounds and
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Speaker 13: the organs that were damaged.
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Speaker 1: When someone is bleeding out, like we believe the victims
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Speaker 1: did in this case, you've got a teacher trying to
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Speaker 1: protect your students, you've got another student. You don't immediately
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Speaker 1: lose consciousness unless you're shot in the heart or the head.
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Speaker 1: You lie there and no, you're dying as you hear
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Speaker 1: all the commotion around you and gunshots ringing out and
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Speaker 1: students screaming.
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Speaker 2: You are aware of that.
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Speaker 13: Would have been very scarious. Deep state of despair is
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Speaker 13: what you would have been going through at the time. Yes,
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Speaker 13: for sure.
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Speaker 2: Who is this girl?
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Speaker 1: Extremely rare for there to be a female school shooter,
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Speaker 1: a teen girl, very statistically unlikely.
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Speaker 2: Who is she? Listen?
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Speaker 11: Fifteen year old Natalie Upnow known as Sam is identified
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Speaker 11: as the shooter. She is a student at the school
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Speaker 11: and fired off multiple rounds inside the classroom. Repnow dies
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Speaker 11: from an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound before law enforcement
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Speaker 11: breaches the building. No shots are exchanged between law enforcement
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Speaker 11: and the teen. Sources say Repnow is known for wearing
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Speaker 11: a collared shirt with a tie, jeans, and combat boots
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Speaker 11: to school and pounding energy.
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Speaker 1: Drinks straight out to Angela Arnold. Doctor Arnold, a renowned psychiatrist,
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Speaker 1: joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angie. Wouldn't
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Speaker 1: the parents know or shouldn't the parents know if she
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Speaker 1: had a much older boyfriend she says is from Germany?
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Speaker 14: I mean, Nancy, wouldn't the parents have known about any
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Speaker 14: of this? The way she dresses, I mean, all of this,
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Speaker 14: all of this indicates to me that no one was
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Speaker 14: paying enough attention to her.
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Speaker 1: She's I don't understand what the problem is with her
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Speaker 1: wearing a white collared shirt with a tie.
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Speaker 14: What well, why is she going by Sam instead of
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Speaker 14: her actual name Natalie? At a very small conservative Christian school.
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Speaker 14: She is as far as I'm concerned, she is completely
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Speaker 14: out of place in the school. Okay, probably the parents
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Speaker 14: have put her there out of some sort of because,
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Speaker 14: like you said, we don't have her records.
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Speaker 2: But she's probably there.
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Speaker 14: Because she's been so troubled that they thought, okay, if
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Speaker 14: we put her in this small school, maybe they can
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Speaker 14: help her. But you can't go back and forth between parents'
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Speaker 14: homes and have different because if parents aren't married, Nancy,
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Speaker 14: I don't care how loving they appear.
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Speaker 2: They're not getting along.
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Speaker 14: Okay, So she's going back and forth between parents home
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Speaker 14: several times a week. She can get away with anything
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Speaker 14: she wants to get away with Number one and number
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Speaker 14: two she's looking for someone to attach to. They're in
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Speaker 14: the online boyfriend thing.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 14: This girl is fraught. She was fraught with so many issues.
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Speaker 14: I can't even believe that they were ignored by her parents.
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Speaker 14: And I'm telling you, Nancy, that's where this starts, is
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Speaker 14: with the parents.
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Speaker 1: I'm very Let me just see flummoxed by the fact
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Speaker 1: that you say, because she goes by the name sam
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Speaker 1: for Samantha, which of course is not her name, or
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Speaker 1: name's Natalie. Now, because she wears a white collared shirt
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Speaker 1: and a black tie, you think she has problems because
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Speaker 1: she dresses.
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Speaker 2: Like a boy and goes by a boy's name.
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Speaker 1: I don't see that that is inherently a problem.
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Speaker 2: I was a tomboy. I didn't have a problem, so.
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Speaker 1: What Well, there are a lot of different names for this,
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Speaker 1: but I don't see this as being her problems. I
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Speaker 1: would see that as being the school's problem for allowing
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Speaker 1: her to be bullied because of the way she dresses,
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Speaker 1: or because she uses a boy's name.
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Speaker 14: How do we know she was being bullied?
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Speaker 2: Well, you can't knows, doctor Angie.
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Speaker 1: You can't say she's the problem because she dresses way
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Speaker 1: by a boy's name.
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Speaker 2: But yet she wasn't bullied. You actually know that she
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Speaker 2: was bullied. We don't know she was bullied.
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Speaker 14: And I'll tell you something, Nancy.
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Speaker 2: Then it's not a problem, is it. Oh?
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Speaker 14: No, I think it's a real problem, Nancy, because she
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Speaker 14: didn't fit.
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Speaker 2: She goes by a boy's name and dresses like a boy.
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Speaker 1: Yes, the problem is how people treat her because of that.
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Speaker 2: But I mean, I don't know why you're the problem.
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Speaker 2: Isn't her going by a name, were dressing like a boy?
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Speaker 1: The problem is she's watching people get murdered and kill
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Speaker 1: themselves online and she likes it. And the problem is
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Speaker 1: that it has become blase blase to her. She goes, oh,
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Speaker 1: I wonder what he's thinking about when he kills himself.
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Speaker 2: She's not worried about the loss of human life. It's
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Speaker 2: like a game to her. But what also, what.
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Speaker 1: Happened to the fact is she's fifteen and she's got
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Speaker 1: a twenty plus year old boyfriend.
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Speaker 2: As a matter of.
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Speaker 11: Fact, listen, police say rup Now has been texting with
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Speaker 11: a twenty year old Carl's Bad California man planning his
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Speaker 11: own mass attack. After police discovered the message, Alexander Paffendorf
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Speaker 11: was interviewed by the FBI, where he admitted that he
21:43
Speaker 11: told rupp Now that he would arm himself with explosives
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Speaker 11: and a gun, and that he would target a government building.
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Speaker 11: No specific building was named. A California judge has issued
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Speaker 11: at her straining order under California's gun red flag law.
21:57
Speaker 11: Neighbors say police entered his home carrying out a big
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Speaker 11: black gun box.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, Bria Johns, help me out here. What is
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Speaker 1: a twenty year old man doing texting and catching a bond.
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Speaker 2: Land fifteen year own girl, Nancy?
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Speaker 6: That is the million dollar question today, everyone wondering how
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Speaker 6: exactly these two even linked up in the first place.
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Speaker 6: We know that again as we just heard that California
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Speaker 6: and George, that California judge ordering that twenty year old
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Speaker 6: man from Carlsband to surrender all of his guns and
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Speaker 6: ammunition because he allegedly told Natalie Roughnow that he was
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Speaker 6: also planning some sort of attack on a government building.
22:38
Speaker 6: Now we do know that the two were, according to
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Speaker 6: a least court records, collaborating for some sort of mass shooting.
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Speaker 6: Not sure how much input he could have potentially had
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Speaker 6: on what happened at Abundant Life, but we do know
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Speaker 6: these two.
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Speaker 7: Were in communication.
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Speaker 6: So my questions now were how long have they been
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Speaker 6: in communication and how exactly these two came together to
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Speaker 6: conspire some sort of.
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Speaker 15: Mass Police say her social media posts are terrifying, and
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Speaker 15: a counseling to Reubnow showed an obsession with infamous past
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Speaker 15: school shooters, why some of emmesist ideologies, and even a
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Speaker 15: chilling message from the unibomber ted Kazinski. A manifesto allegedly
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Speaker 15: written by Rebnow shared his screenshots that show the teen
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Speaker 15: was lonely and felt quote trapped and forced into my
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Speaker 15: own corner. She admits she's a loner, but admits she
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Speaker 15: will mourn for her friends, but sooner rather than later
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Speaker 15: they'll leave. Investigators trying to verify the origins of the
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Speaker 15: manifesto being attributed to Natalie Samantha Rubnow. As part of
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Speaker 15: the so called manifesto or being shared around the world,
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Speaker 15: describing herself as a loner. Rebnow is able to express
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Speaker 15: unhappiness of what she describes as a broken home and
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Speaker 15: makes many references to a therapist. Investigators have been able
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Speaker 15: to uncover that Repno has seen a therapist and has
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Speaker 15: been involved in a contentious custodial situation with her parents
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Speaker 15: that had her splitting days of the week with each parent.
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Speaker 15: The supposed manifesto ends with a quote from the Unibomber
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Speaker 15: quote Finally one learns that born is a disease of civilization.
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Speaker 1: Katherine Schweid joining Us, creator of the FBI's Active Shooter program, Katherine,
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Speaker 1: I just find it really hard to believe that the
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Speaker 1: parents had no idea what was going on and this
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Speaker 1: child's life. I mean, the theory of the idea of
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Speaker 1: a female teen girls school shooter is almost unheard of.
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Speaker 1: I've got a few examples, and they're usually because of
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Speaker 1: love interest.
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Speaker 2: But how could you not know? For instance, she posts online.
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Speaker 1: On a video of a man jumping through a window
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Speaker 1: that he is a quote fat version of Liam Payne,
24:45
Speaker 1: referring to the One Direction singer who jumped to his
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Speaker 1: death in Buenos Autres. Okay, it goes on and on
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Speaker 1: and on, she's just very let me just say, frivolous
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Speaker 1: as it relays to the loss of human life. I
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Speaker 1: find that really difficult to believe that no one, I
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Speaker 1: mean they says she's going to a therapist. The therapist
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Speaker 1: didn't know what was going on. The parents didn't know,
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Speaker 1: the school didn't notice. Now people are dead.
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Speaker 10: I think that what they I agree with you that
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Speaker 10: I think that what they noticed had nothing to do
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Speaker 10: with her online performance and platform. But they would have
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Speaker 10: noticed other things. They would have noticed her school performance dropping.
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Speaker 10: They would have noticed her isolation, the amount of time
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Speaker 10: she spent online, the amount of time that she spent
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Speaker 10: with her head buried in her phone, which is kind
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Speaker 10: of something that I'm sure every parent thinks, well, my
25:38
Speaker 10: kid's always on the phone. Yeah, what are your what's
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Speaker 10: your kid on the phone doing?
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Speaker 3: You know?
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Speaker 10: And I think that's something that's important because I think
25:45
Speaker 10: what you just said, sibylis is a great word. But
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Speaker 10: I think don't I would say, you know, don't overwhelmingly
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Speaker 10: look at a comment and say, oh, jeeve, that just
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Speaker 10: shows they have no heart or they're careless, because common
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Speaker 10: on social media are so un okay, and it's so sarcastic.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I agree with you. Some perverse comments online. You're right,
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Speaker 1: that may mean nothing. People will send off a text
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Speaker 1: in a heartbeat and the wish they hadn't done it.
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Speaker 1: But these are a series of comments that were frivolously done,
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Speaker 1: commenting on the loss of human life, be it through
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Speaker 1: homicide or suicide.
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Speaker 2: But okay, let's just pretend for the moment.
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Speaker 1: Let's suspend our disbelief for just one moment that that
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Let's focus on her obsession with the so
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Speaker 1: called trench Coat mafia, the Columbine shooters listen.
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Speaker 15: Police say her social media posts are terrifying, and a
26:46
Speaker 15: counseling to rupt Now showed an obsession with infamous past
26:49
Speaker 15: school shooters. Why some of emphasis ideologies and even a
26:52
Speaker 15: chilling message from the unibomber ted Kazinski. Greenshots show the
26:56
Speaker 15: teen was lonely and felt quote trapped and forced into
26:59
Speaker 15: my own corner. She admits she's a loner, but admits
27:02
Speaker 15: she will mourn for her friends, but sooner rather than later,
27:06
Speaker 15: they'll leave. Rebnow is able to express unhappiness, it will
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Speaker 15: be broken home, and makes many references to a therapist.
27:12
Speaker 15: Rebno has been involved in a contentious custodial situation with
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Speaker 15: her parents that had her splitting days of the week
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Speaker 15: with each parent. The supposed manifesto ends with a quote
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Speaker 15: from the Unibomber quote. Finally, one learns that boredom is
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Speaker 15: a disease of civilization, Robin Drake.
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Speaker 1: That is not a coincidence that she is wearing the
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Speaker 1: same obscure shirt with an obscure German electory band on
27:36
Speaker 1: it that a Columbine shooter war.
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Speaker 2: It's not a coincidence.
27:41
Speaker 1: And she's taking target practice shooting at the time she's
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Speaker 1: wearing it, and that photo is posted all under the
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Speaker 1: nose of her father.
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Speaker 8: I agree, it's not a coincidence. These things are following
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Speaker 8: a track of pattern in her life where she's romanticizing
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Speaker 8: about death, about dark imagery, and just talking about the
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Speaker 8: parents here and their involvement or lack of involvements. It's
28:05
Speaker 8: strange that they put her in the school as well,
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Speaker 8: you know, trying to maybe shove off, you know, responsibility
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Speaker 8: of fixing what they might have seen as a broken
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Speaker 8: daughter as they're struggling with their own issues. So this
28:15
Speaker 8: is a dark pattern of behavior that I think was
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Speaker 8: emerging over time that people were ignoring and try to
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Speaker 8: maybe shove off on someone else to fix too.
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Speaker 1: Bria Jones joining us investigator report of Fox six Milwaukee.
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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about a photo that has
28:29
Speaker 1: just emerged up now shooting an okay sign as some
28:36
Speaker 1: people call it, but others call it a white supremacist
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Speaker 1: sign just before the shooting.
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Speaker 7: Nancy, I've seen that image again.
28:45
Speaker 6: Police tonight working to verify the authenticity. But the image
28:48
Speaker 6: that circulating online. They say that she actually took that
28:52
Speaker 6: photo in the bathroom shortly before this shooting took place. Again,
28:57
Speaker 6: Madison police is working to confirm the authenticity of that photo.
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Speaker 6: But again, just very scary. But it's easy to think
29:04
Speaker 6: that she was seeing this therapist. She had this troubled
29:07
Speaker 6: family life, but almost everyone we spoke to that have
29:10
Speaker 6: some sort of contact with her, that has known her
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Speaker 6: over the years, even her neighbor saying that she was
29:15
Speaker 6: always a kind and welcoming child, so she was able
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Speaker 6: to disguise whatever troubles she was deeply dealing with very well.
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Speaker 1: Now we hear that the home of the Wisconsin seters'
29:28
Speaker 1: parents has been rated straight out to you. Brid Jones
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Speaker 1: joining us Fox six what happened Nancy.
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Speaker 6: Investigators blew out there the front door, and they immediately
29:40
Speaker 6: went inside of the home. Our cameras are actually there
29:42
Speaker 6: for several hours searching for evidence. We know right now
29:45
Speaker 6: there actually they were able to collect some evidence that
29:48
Speaker 6: they say will be crucial to determining any confirmed information
29:53
Speaker 6: that what they're trying to work to verify. As far
29:55
Speaker 6: as the manifesto, we know now we learned last night
29:58
Speaker 6: that there were actually two guns they were found inside
30:01
Speaker 6: of the school, but only one was used to carry
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Speaker 6: out this shooting at Abundant Life Christian School. So right now,
30:07
Speaker 6: investigators say they're actually working to review and go over
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Speaker 6: any of that information or evidence or findings collected inside
30:15
Speaker 6: of the home during that raid to work together to
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Speaker 6: figure out their.
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Speaker 2: Investigation crime stories.
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Speaker 1: With Nancy Grace, we are showing photos right now as
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Speaker 1: a little girl, even a baby, and everything seems so innocent,
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Speaker 1: so normal. How this went so off the rails. I
30:46
Speaker 1: don't know that we'll ever know the answer to that,
30:48
Speaker 1: but I do know in the raid that Bria Jones
30:51
Speaker 1: is telling us about that law enforcement got electronics, computers, phones,
30:56
Speaker 1: and many many other items that they went in for.
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Speaker 2: Or what else did.
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Speaker 1: They find in the home? Why are they writing the
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Speaker 1: parents home? And a new trend that is reverberating across
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Speaker 1: our country. Parents are increasingly being held accountable criminally for
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Speaker 1: their child school shooter. Remember Athan Crumley listen the.
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Speaker 3: Oakland shooter the kids as the two parents that are
31:25
Speaker 3: on the run right now, and said, you know Oakland,
31:28
Speaker 3: Telly said, calls you see anything, And I just wanted
31:31
Speaker 3: to go park my car and switch it around at
31:33
Speaker 3: my office. And at my office and there was a
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Speaker 3: Kia and that looked like their car. And I walked
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Speaker 3: around and checked the plates, edits their car. And the
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Speaker 3: woman is here next to the car. The woman is
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Speaker 3: aware sitting next to her car in.
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Speaker 1: The parking lot, straight out to veteran defense attorney Philip
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Speaker 1: Dubay joining us out of LA Philip holding the parents
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Speaker 1: criminally liable for their child's shooting up a school, their
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Speaker 1: child's murdyrs.
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Speaker 2: That trend is increasing, it sure is.
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Speaker 9: And I got to tell you, if I were the
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Speaker 9: rough Nows, I'd be lawyering up and I'd be hitting
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Speaker 9: up that school's collection plate Diar council right away. They are,
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Speaker 9: They've got a target on their back for lack of
32:19
Speaker 9: a better term.
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Speaker 3: What this ring?
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, did you hear that sound I just
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Speaker 1: played for you. A concerned citizen spots Ethan Crumley's parents
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Speaker 1: on the run. They knew the gig was up, they knew.
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Speaker 1: Why would they take off into hiding.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you why.
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Speaker 1: I tell you if they did not feel they were
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Speaker 1: responsible or not guilty of something.
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Speaker 8: No, no, no.
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Speaker 9: If you remember from the trial, what came out in
32:43
Speaker 9: evidence was that there were a series of death threats
32:46
Speaker 9: made against the parents, so they were on the run
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Speaker 9: so that they would not be harmed. There were so
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Speaker 9: many people outraged and upset in the community that the
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Speaker 9: Crumbley's had a target on their back. That's why they
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Speaker 9: hit out.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what.
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Speaker 1: Apparently a jury did not agree with you too juries.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, their cases were severed and
33:07
Speaker 1: they were tried separately. So much came into evidence about
33:12
Speaker 1: how the parents blatantly ignored their son. As a matter
33:17
Speaker 1: of fact, listen to this, My son, he had.
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Speaker 7: One bedroom and they got out of control.
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Speaker 9: And every time I go to a plan that would
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Speaker 9: just shut the doors and want to be a little bit.
33:25
Speaker 3: So then I told him he could just use the
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Speaker 3: guy's bedroom so I can get his room deep cleaned.
33:29
Speaker 1: The horrible brushing his teeth, he used.
33:33
Speaker 7: The water quickly got him.
33:35
Speaker 5: He went brushed properly through.
33:36
Speaker 3: The classic get cavities and his braces.
33:39
Speaker 7: So we end up taking the wires out. And the
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Speaker 7: one time we had thirteen cavities under the.
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Speaker 1: Braces, Doby, thirteen cavities up under the boys braces, thirteen cavities.
33:52
Speaker 2: They couldn't daily wasn't brushing his teeth.
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Speaker 1: The room was so disgusting, it smelled, and they would
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Speaker 1: just shut the door and walk off. I mean you
34:02
Speaker 1: add that into the fact that the child kept actually
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Speaker 1: asking I need help. That very morning you wrote a
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Speaker 1: series of documents drawings of shootings and murders and said
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Speaker 1: I need help. No one will help me. The first
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Speaker 1: victim to be a pretty girl. I'm on a shooter
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Speaker 1: in the hand. What nobody saw all of this happening.
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Speaker 1: Nobody knew he wasn't brushing his teeth or making his bed.
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Speaker 1: Nobody saw all of these drawings. The thoughts won't stop
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Speaker 1: help me, And you're saying the parents were improperly targeted.
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Speaker 9: What I'm telling you is that identate decayed mouth. This
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Speaker 9: is not an element of involuntary manslaughter. The question is
34:51
Speaker 9: what put them on notice to make criminally negligible.
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Speaker 2: Tobay, do you have children? I'm just curious.
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Speaker 9: This is why I don't right here. I don't want to.
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Speaker 2: So you know nothing about taking a child to the
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Speaker 2: dentist and the doctor regular lee whether you think they've
35:09
Speaker 2: got a problem or not. You know what, Obviously it's
35:14
Speaker 2: a parent, doctor Angie. How does it lead to? It
35:18
Speaker 2: shows they weren't paying attention to Ethan Cromley, and while
35:23
Speaker 2: he is sitting.
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Speaker 1: Into jail having just shot at the school, they hop
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Speaker 1: in the car and take off ninety mph.
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Speaker 2: Wasn't because they had a target on their back.
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Speaker 1: It's because they knew they were partially responsible, Doctor Angie.
35:37
Speaker 2: Can you talk to Dubey? I mean, Nancy.
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Speaker 14: I've had cases of parents who are very, very doting,
35:43
Speaker 14: attentive parents. They send their kid to the dentist and
35:46
Speaker 14: all of a sudden he becomes an adult and he
35:49
Speaker 14: hasn't had you do send the kid to the dentist
35:51
Speaker 14: all day long.
35:52
Speaker 2: But if he's not brushing his teeth at night, guess
35:55
Speaker 2: what he might have.
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Speaker 14: Riting Decayne teeth. I've got a case like that that
35:58
Speaker 14: I take care of and he hasn't shot up with school,
36:02
Speaker 14: so it could it's possible that it could show neglect.
36:05
Speaker 14: But if the boy also had braces on, that doesn't
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Speaker 14: show neglect.
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Speaker 1: To Robin Drake joining me, Robin, apparently I'm not making
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Speaker 1: my case to doctor Angela Arnold or Philip D. Bay
36:18
Speaker 1: that closing the door on your child's room that literally
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Speaker 1: stinks and not noticing that they're not brushing their teeth.
36:29
Speaker 2: This is not a grown man not brushing his teeth.
36:31
Speaker 2: This is a child.
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Speaker 1: And it takes a while to get thirteen cavities in
36:39
Speaker 1: your mouth. But what about this regarding parental neglect?
36:46
Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 16: James Crumbley purchased a Sigsur nine millimeter Model SP twenty
36:52
Speaker 16: twenty two from ACME Shooting Goods in Oxford, Michigan, on
36:57
Speaker 16: November twenty six, twenty twenty one. A store employee confirms
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Speaker 16: that Ethan Crumbley was present with James at the time
37:05
Speaker 16: of the purchase. Per statute, James Crumbley completed ATF Form
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Speaker 16: three hundred nine eight fifty three hundred nine eight honor
37:15
Speaker 16: about November twenty six, twenty one, Ethan Crumbley's social media
37:18
Speaker 16: posts revealed photos of the semi automatic handgun along with
37:23
Speaker 16: the caption just got my new beauty today, including a
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Speaker 16: moji with hearts sig Sour nine millimeter and Robin.
37:32
Speaker 2: Then we learn that the very day of the school.
37:37
Speaker 1: Mass shooting, the parents are called to the school because
37:42
Speaker 1: very disturbing drawings are found, drawings by Ethan Crumbley. So
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Speaker 1: Robin Drake, I'm not quite sure how Debay and doctor
37:53
Speaker 1: Arnold are coming to the conclusion that the parents were
37:58
Speaker 1: vigilant and borne no responsibility in Ethan Cromley's mass shooting.
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Speaker 8: Well, what we're seeing here are data points and they're
38:06
Speaker 8: all data points and leakage of neglect is what I
38:09
Speaker 8: want to say, is so we have an arc of
38:11
Speaker 8: behavior of these parents of and the mother said it
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Speaker 8: very specifically, and this is what I think the jury
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Speaker 8: saw too. She shut the door and didn't want to
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Speaker 8: deal with it, and that is exactly how they dealt
38:22
Speaker 8: with everything. And what they did was that the father
38:24
Speaker 8: did was so they didn't want to deal with it,
38:26
Speaker 8: so they bought them a gun. And so that's why
38:29
Speaker 8: the parents were held a couple in this and that's
38:30
Speaker 8: why the juries found them guilty. And I think that's
38:32
Speaker 8: what we're going to be looking at juries from now
38:34
Speaker 8: on is how much are the parents responsible for those
38:37
Speaker 8: actions and responsible for the neglect? What kind of data
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Speaker 8: points over time do we have the show?
38:41
Speaker 1: Catherine Schweiz joining Us, creator of the FBI's Active Shooter
38:45
Speaker 1: Program and author of Stop the Killing, How to End
38:48
Speaker 1: the Mass Shooting Crisis. Catherine, I've got to hear your
38:53
Speaker 1: thoughts on Cromley's parents being hell libel by a jury criminally,
38:59
Speaker 1: and they're so on school shooting.
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Speaker 10: Yea, this wasn't I agree with you and disagree with
39:04
Speaker 10: your other guests. It was absolutely not a situation of hey,
39:08
Speaker 10: a few cavities. That's a lack of knowledge about the case.
39:11
Speaker 10: And I appreciate that somebody doesn't everybody doesn't know about
39:14
Speaker 10: the case. But in this case, half an hour after
39:16
Speaker 10: the shooting, the mother texted her son and said, don't
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Speaker 10: do it. The parents were well aware that their son
39:26
Speaker 10: was on a nose dive down bought him the gun
39:29
Speaker 10: on Black Friday, you know, after Christmas, she went to
39:33
Speaker 10: the shooting range with him. On Saturday posted a picture
39:36
Speaker 10: bragging about how she was shooting. He posted the picture saying,
39:40
Speaker 10: look at my new gun, my new Christmas present. Monday,
39:44
Speaker 10: they were called, she was texted. The family was called
39:48
Speaker 10: the school because he was in school searching to buy
39:51
Speaker 10: ammunition on Monday, and they did not. They ignored the
39:56
Speaker 10: school's call, and she texted her son and said, don't yet,
40:00
Speaker 10: caught next time. And then on Tuesday morning when he
40:04
Speaker 10: drew as you mentioned, he drew all over a piece
40:08
Speaker 10: of paper in one a classroom and a teacher was
40:09
Speaker 10: able to screen capture it and take it to the office,
40:13
Speaker 10: and they called the parents of the office. The parents
40:15
Speaker 10: never said, hey, we just bought this kid a gun.
40:19
Speaker 10: They never said, hey, we just bought this kid a gun.
40:21
Speaker 10: And two hours later he's exiting the bathroom shooting people.
40:24
Speaker 9: They knew what was going on.
40:26
Speaker 10: That's why they took cash out of the bank and
40:28
Speaker 10: they were captured just a couple of miles from the
40:31
Speaker 10: Canadian border.
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Speaker 1: Catherine, what can you tell me about students obsessed even
40:38
Speaker 1: now with Columbine making so called pilgrimages.
40:43
Speaker 10: Yeah, that you know the problem with a Combine case
40:46
Speaker 10: is that it has become its own cult. You know,
40:48
Speaker 10: it's like every other great cult movie or every other
40:51
Speaker 10: great product. It has survived twenty plus years. Right of
40:56
Speaker 10: people saying this is are there are sites now that
40:59
Speaker 10: you can go to that are like, I want to
41:01
Speaker 10: be a school shooter dot com kind of site, and
41:05
Speaker 10: all of those are And it's not just like it
41:08
Speaker 10: was in Colorado. You know where I where I'd spend
41:11
Speaker 10: time with Frank Dangelis, who's a principal at Columbine. But
41:14
Speaker 10: now the I've spent time over at the school and
41:17
Speaker 10: you know, one of the things that Frank told me
41:18
Speaker 10: that was most chilling to me is he said, you know,
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Speaker 10: we're standing outside looking at the lawn across the campus
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Speaker 10: and he says, hey, you know, the biggest problem that
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Speaker 10: we really really have on security is that we are
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Speaker 10: destination now for people who want to commit a shooting.
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Speaker 10: They pilgrimage here and they may just commit suicide on
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Speaker 10: our property of our school, but they may come here
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Speaker 10: see it so that they can pay homage to it,
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Speaker 10: and then they go and do their own shooting. I mean,
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Speaker 10: I tell people that you know, this abundant life school shooting.
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Speaker 10: They are members of the Association of Christian Schools International,
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Speaker 10: and I spoke to their fall group and their policy
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Speaker 10: group just a couple of months ago, and I tell
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Speaker 10: their security people. If somebody uses the words Columbine, you
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Speaker 10: hear parents, parents hear their kids use the word Columbine,
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Speaker 10: they have a problem. They have a potential school shooter
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Speaker 10: in their house. That may sound hysterical, but I think
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Speaker 10: it's factual based on what we've seen, because it's moved
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Speaker 10: from Colorado to the United States to the world.
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Speaker 1: In a rarity in our country and really across the world.
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Speaker 1: A teen girl identified as a mass school shooter, very
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Speaker 1: very rare. Right now, we know her parents' home has
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Speaker 1: been rated. Her parents have not been charged in any wrongdoing,
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Speaker 1: and it's been reported they are cooperating with police. But
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Speaker 1: we do know she had a quote turbulent home life.
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Speaker 2: Bria. What does that mean?
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Speaker 1: Britand John's joining me Fox six Milwaukee. What does a
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Speaker 1: turbulent home life mean?
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Speaker 7: Well, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: Since twenty fourteen, court records show that her parents have
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Speaker 6: been married and divorced twice. We know from this alleged
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Speaker 6: manifesto the police are still working to verify whether or
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Speaker 6: not it actually came from her. We learned there that
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Speaker 6: obviously there is some trouble with the family life. The
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Speaker 6: thing we know according to court records as well, at
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Speaker 6: some point she was also seeing a therapist that was
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Speaker 6: also a reference in the manifesto that allegedly belongs to her,
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Speaker 6: so we know that she was seeing this therapist. We're
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Speaker 6: not exactly sure why. We know that the mom was
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Speaker 6: also ordered to participate in this therapy as well from
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Speaker 6: the court records. They also show that the parents split
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Speaker 6: their time with her, so at one point there was
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Speaker 6: a two two three schedule that she was sharing with
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Speaker 6: her parents. The latest information that I saw, I think
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Speaker 6: Tuesday night she was having dinner with mom, and then
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Speaker 6: at least one weekend a month a mom. She was
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Speaker 6: able to be placed with her mother, but we know
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Speaker 6: that primarily custody remained with her dad. They split custody,
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Speaker 6: but she was placed with her father. A neighbor we
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Speaker 6: went to the home where the raid happened, a neighbor
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Speaker 6: saying that her father sent her to this school because
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Speaker 6: he thought that this would be a better place for her,
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Speaker 6: So clearly her dad knew that something was going on.
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Speaker 1: It seems to me that she has spent like two
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Speaker 1: nights with one parent, then three nights with the next,
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Speaker 1: and then it would rotate, so she was going from
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Speaker 1: pillar to post every week of her life. You know,
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Speaker 1: the same thing is alleged in the Culton Gray case,
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Speaker 1: recent school shooter that occurred in Georgia where he was
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Speaker 1: gifted a gun by his parents. There's Colt Gray right there.
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Speaker 1: He grew into a school shooter. The father in that
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Speaker 1: case has been charged in connection with the deaths caused
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Speaker 1: by his son a turbulent home life. As well to
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Speaker 1: doctor Eric Easton joining me board certified forensic pathologist. When
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Speaker 1: you go into a case and you are determining cause
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Speaker 1: of death, are you investigating the case forensically?
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Speaker 2: Does it cross your mind?
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Speaker 1: We see the same thing over and over and over,
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Speaker 1: and this life could have been saved had changes been made.
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Speaker 7: I agree.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, a lot of these desks are definitely could have
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Speaker 13: been prevented. And that's the interesting thing about forensicsthology. We
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Speaker 13: link up our findings from the autopsy and we work
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Speaker 13: with public health and other agencies to try and prevent
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Speaker 13: desks in the future. So we are saving lives even
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Speaker 13: though we don't actually see patients, but our autopsy information
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Speaker 13: can help prevent desks like these from occurring. So that's
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Speaker 13: another reason why I chose going into this the specialty.
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Speaker 1: Guys, we wait as justice unfolds and again at this hour,
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Speaker 1: Rebno's parents have not been charged and are cooperating with
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Speaker 1: law enforcement.
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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about this case, please.
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Speaker 1: Dial six zero eight two six six six zero one four,
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Speaker 1: including information about her so called boyfriend egging her on online.
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Speaker 1: At age twenty, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend