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And welcome to Anime Club. This week we're very, very, I'm
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afraid to say, obviously, I'm Phoebe, this is Chris.
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But more importantly, this week we have an absolute delight of a
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guest. Thank you, calling all the way
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from India. We, we're on international time
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now, folks. Anime Club has gone global, yes.
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It's 840 PMISTI am Arjun the artful, known as the Artful
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daughter on Instagram. You may have seen my movie
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reviews on Nerdy up North and I'm a huge nerd Quinterty.
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I'm a lawyer by profession and I love anime so and I'm really
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honoured to be a part of the show.
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Thank you guys for inviting me. Absolute pleasure, and thank you
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so much for giving up your evening to come and talk to us.
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And we were really excited because you recommended an anime
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that Chris and I hadn't heard of before, and that was really good
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fun to watch. So it's been an absolute
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pleasure not just having you here, but also watching your
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recommendation for this week, which is Detective Conan.
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So like you were telling us a bit about like how like how you
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discovered this anime before. Do you want to like?
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Yeah. So, yeah.
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Well, growing up I had access to this local channel on TV because
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called Hungama TV, it's in Hindi, It's a local channel.
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And it had these anime dubbed in Hindi, like these Japanese anime
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obviously in dubbed in Hindi. And we had a bunch of them
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growing up because like Tin Chan Kochikami and then of course
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Detective Conan and Detective Conan was called Detective Conan
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and not case close. Case close is the American one.
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And case close I started watching that way back in 2007
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ish and it was pretty interesting.
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Like it's I had never seen a detective kind of show when
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growing up. And I had just read the books
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and it had been about either Sherlock Holmes or Indian
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detectives for that matter. And Detective Conan was, you
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know, I felt it was a combination of both and it was
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pretty great. Like how it works out, like how
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and it's a spoiler alert and how an adult gets reverted into a
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kid and how he goes about using gadgets and solving crimes right
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from the scratch and explanations and everything.
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And how he maintains relations with the the other characters
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and how it fits into the entire thing, you know, and he's still
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in the stage of being a kid and like at times another's father
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that he, you know, accidentally goes back into an adult, but
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only for like, let's say an episode or something and he's
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back into a kid again. And this is like One Piece
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level. I mean, it goes on and on and
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on. And, and what the good fact is
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like we get to see new crimes, new mysteries every, you know,
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new episode or every couple of episodes.
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And at Max they stretch out to like a mega episode of let's say
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4 episodes combined. And sometimes there have been
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movies and there have been a lot of movies and, but it's pretty
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great. The ride has been pretty great.
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Yeah. And I think the writing in, in
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this is really good. And it's funny you mentioned
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Sherlock Holmes and like a like a kind of Poirot.
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I was talking to a friend and they were like, what's, what
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would you say it's like? And I was like, it feels very
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Agatha Christie to me in that kind of, it's got like these
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like really clever crimes that and like a very charismatic sort
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of central detective character. But with also like a bit of Enid
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Blyton who like, I don't know if you've read any Enid Blyton like
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with like the Fab 5, it's got that kind of like kid kids
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adventure to it as well. The kids that stops it getting
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too sad. Yeah, the far away 3 Series the
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also. Living naughtiest girl at
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school, which was always my favorite.
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Chris is just rolling his eyes. I think he's he's about to say
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no, You're right. I think he was about to like,
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accuse me of being ridiculous and posh again.
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I watched Pokémon and read read Haines manuals when I was a kid.
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So fun fact, I wasn't exposed to manga as a kid too much except
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for, you know, when they it popped up in some, you know,
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bookstore or something. But I've always been an anime
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person. Then after in the anime, I
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always moved back to manga to like, you know, see the
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differences and like how you know, they've drawn the
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differences from the manga, the creative differences that have
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gone into, you know, actually putting it on the screen from,
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you know, black and white. And there have been notable
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differences in various issues, like not, not just Detective
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Conan, like it, let's say Dragon Ball Z or let's say Pokémon.
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Or for that matter, Naruto. Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah. But whenever I look up an anime,
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there's always that camp of people being like, well, the
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anime is good, but it's got nothing on the manga.
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It's got this all the time, even like.
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They've got in the rings. Stuff like that.
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They're like, Oh well, it's a great film, but the missed out
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Scar the the Shire, so it's not that good kind of thing.
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Oh yeah, one party obviously is like, you know, the the books
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are better than the movies. Yeah.
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And I, I always think it's unfair to both genres because I
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think they're two very different ways of telling a story, right?
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Like the written word versus visual media you have.
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I mean, like, I think to do a good adaptation, you have to do
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it differently to the book because you don't get things
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like internal monologue and you don't get things like like like
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lengthy character exposition, because that would be very
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boring if you saw that on screen.
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It would just be. People.
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Staring self reflectively, and that, that's not exciting.
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A story to watch. Yeah, I agree 100%.
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Like especially with something like Harry Potter for that
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matter. I mean books are somewhat so
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very different from what's in portrayed in the films.
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And like that's why now they're getting to you know make an
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entirety series out of it. And I hope they straight to true
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to the books for that matter. But nonetheless, we are here to
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discuss Detective Conan, so. Yeah, indeed.
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So how would you describe this show to someone who'd never seen
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it before? A masterpiece.
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Nice. What was it about though?
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Give us like a a broad summary, a broad summary.
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It's about, you know, high school did a high school guy
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who's been very whose dad was a famous mystery novelist and
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that, you know, inspired him to become a detective and and he
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was helping the police. He was that famous all across
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Japan. And then due to the spoiler
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alert, you know, activities of a criminal gang, he was reverted
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to a child instead of being killed.
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And now he's got, you know, the opportunity to stay close to his
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girlfriend and unfortunately her dad.
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And you know what? He's and soft crying like he his
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he makes for that solve the crimes, you know, knocks him out
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with you know, and tranquilize a gun and then uses a voice
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modifier to, you know, speak out and explain how the crime was
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done. That lets him get the, you know,
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get the credit for that. But at the end of the day, he
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takes pleasure in doing his own job.
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He in solving the crime, But unfortunately he has he has to
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go back to grade school again. Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, has has the brain of like a brilliant detective is
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stuck in. Oh yes, colouring.
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It's like a, you know, it's like a combination of Sherlock Holmes
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and Alkil Poirot. And it's pretty.
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It's pretty good. Yeah, yeah.
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That's an excellent description. Yeah, Chris, because you'd never
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seen this before, what was your first impression?
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I thought, I thought it was good.
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I didn't even mind when before returned the detective corn and
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the what's he called Shinichi Kudo.
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Kudo yes. Yeah, I didn't even mind him as
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a normal teenager because he wasn't bad as it.
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I thought it was weird how the police relied on a teenager to
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do their job like but. I mean he was snarky as homes
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would go, but then not. Not as cynical though, but yeah.
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Yeah, I really like even the first episode when it kind of
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introduced all the characters as well.
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It was like the art style. It is an old art style, but it's
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not as bad as say when we did Escafrone, which I know as of
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recording was yesterday, but. Right.
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I mean it. Gives you the vibe of being in
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the nineties, 80s or 90s was still random into modern day,
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yeah. Yeah, it's hard to kiss.
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Sorry the mango was released in 1994 and that anime in 96 and it
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doesn't feel that. I mean there's a thousand 1150
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episodes at the minute of that anime and I had a glimpse
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because when I was watching it on Crunchyroll there was the 1st
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2 episodes and then it skips to like 1000 DoD and the animation
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difference in there is staggering and I think it still
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ends up as a weekly as a weekly show.
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Weekly shown in Jump, I think I would say like that's how they
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call it in Japan. Like it's a shown in Jump kind
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of an anime. And yeah, it's a weekly thing.
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So as and when the manga releases, I think after a while
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the they adapted into anime and yeah and the episodes just keep
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on going. So like in Netflix, I so like
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how you watch it on Crunchyroll. I was watching it on Netflix
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because I recently got a connection of my own and yeah,
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nice. That's pretty great.
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It's pure nostalgia. It is, it does feel very, it
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does feel very nostalgic, but in a way that isn't isn't, it
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doesn't feel dated necessarily I don't think, especially in terms
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of of the type of story it's doing.
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What I really loved as well with the first 3 episodes is that
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each episode was very different and each crime that he's solving
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is very different. So you don't feel like it's
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actually a repetition of the same thing over and over again.
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Right. And I'm pretty amazed like how
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the writers, like they keep every case so very different,
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like not alike at all. I mean, that's the ingenuity.
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I've got to give it to the writers.
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I mean, how do you come up with new mysteries every week?
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The most look at the newspaper, I'll be like, right, I can do
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something with this. Oh yeah.
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Reality, instruments and then fiction.
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Yeah, yeah, that's very true. Did you have did you have like a
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favorite character in this? Because because I immediately I
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was like, there are a lot of characters here who I can, who I
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find very. I think and endearing.
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I think in the long run, I would like to bet on Kogaro, like,
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because like, he is the blundering person and the
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person, he stumbles upon everything at chance.
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I mean, we know that Conan is the, you know, brightest mind in
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the room, but it's cool like how he figures his way out of
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everything, like even though he's knocked out, how he comes
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into senses and takes credit for everything.
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So like, he's a character to watch out for.
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Like he's the, you know, underdog.
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Yeah, yeah. And Professor Agassa.
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Yeah, that so Professor Regressor was my favorite for
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sure. But I also I actually really
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like, and it's it's unusual for me to just really, really like
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the main character, but in this I really like Detective Conan.
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I don't find him like smug. He's kind of suck, like a bit
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sarcastic, but he's not like sometimes I think Sherlock
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Holmes and Poirot, because they're so smart, they can
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almost get a bit mean towards other people.
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Whereas with Detective Conan, you feel like he's actually
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trying to bring everyone to his conclusion rather than rub it in
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their faces. Like I'd I quite liked that take
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on a very clever, like a very clever man child.
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I don't think he has a choice for them being a kid because no
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one listens to him. Because it's just like, I found
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it surprising where there's this crime scene where there's
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obviously a fresh dead body and they're like, oh, there's a
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bunch of kids here. Well, we'll just leave them in
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the corner. That's fine.
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And how like especially in the first 3 episodes like how he
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gets beaten up on by Cougar or like what the hell are you doing
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over here? I mean, like, you're not.
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You're not supposed to be here in the first instance, but in.
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The 90s safeguard children's safeguarding was a different
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thing in. There as and how, you know,
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episodes go on, like he starts becoming kind of strict with
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Conan like how he is in the initial seasons.
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I've watched something season 8 so far.
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And yeah, due to the pandemic and after going into Masters, I
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think I didn't get the opportunity to watch more.
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I will now because I have the Netflix connection and I have a
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little bit more free time. Just a little.
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Not loads, but just enough for. A little bit of.
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Anime. But, and that's another thing
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that I love about 90s anime we've been doing.
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Actually, Chris and I have been on a bit of a 90s anime kick at
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the time of we're recording this and the episodes are about like
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20 minutes. Max 20 minutes exactly.
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And actually, it makes it really watchable.
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So you've been exposed to anime like, you know, Inuyasha, you
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know, Vampire Hunter D and and those ones, I guess.
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Yeah, Captain Sobasa, Probably a little bit of a hungry heart,
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those kind of ones. Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, that's what we're going back because I don't it's
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weirdly worked out at the minute where we're just like
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remembering anime from when we first watched our watching it
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and it was like, Oh yeah, I remember having a a weird Google
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search and coming up with this anime here.
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Let's do an episode. So we have this channel.
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We have this channel called, yeah.
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We have this channel called Animex back in 2003 or 4.
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And that's where I was exposed to these kind of anime.
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I'm like, what are these? And they were laughing in
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English, Yeah. Yeah, for for us it was Cartoon
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Network and they had something. Tsunami.
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So after a certain after a certain time of day it would
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switch from being Cartoon Network.
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Where you'd have. Like Ed, Ed and Eddie, Courage
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the cowardly dog and then it. Would switch into the.
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Anime hour and you'd get Toonami would would come on and I and
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that's where I got a lot of my early anime from.
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But one of them that we have re watched recently which was also
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released like 1995 I think was Gundam Wing which.
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I love. And I loved going back to it and
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I, I think this gave me the same kind of nostalgia as.
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It was die condom at the point of time.
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Yeah, yeah, it's. Good it.
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Is and also. But I'm not, we're not going to
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talk about that because that was not so good to revisit.
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I guess you guys were exposed to what we didn't have was Adult
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Swim. Yeah.
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Oh yeah. Yeah.
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We don't have that entirely. Can you not?
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Did you not watch like Robot Chicken and stuff?
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I did on the Internet, but not on the telly on the TV.
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Archer. Archer, Yeah, I think Archer was
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one of the shows which came on adults one.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, I love Sofia Sealab 2021 and all that sort of stuff.
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Right. Yeah, exactly.
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Fab. So, yeah.
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Favorite characters? Chris, what about you?
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Did you have a? So it's it's weird because I do
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like watching the scientist and I can't remember his name.
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Do you know the the dad who's the incompetent detective who
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kind of gets steered by Kordan? I love watching them.
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OK, yeah, yeah. Kogoro Mori.
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Yes, sorry. Yeah, Kogoro I love, I love
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watching them as characters, but I think my favorite one will be
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Kordan because he's he's he is the most.
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He has. His own like.
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He has his. Downfalls with like, he's a kid,
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he has to get around in inventive ways because they say,
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Oh yeah, I've solved this murder.
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I know who it is, but no one believers because I have a
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literal child wondering a crime scene.
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So I've got to figure out a better way of doing it.
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And it's so inventive. Isn't it the third episode where
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he chooks an ashtray at someone's head and then knocks
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them out and then he speaks for them?
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Yeah, yeah, it's lovely. I'd say that after, like we
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said, I love it when he chucks an ashtray.
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But it is fun. It is really funny.
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And I think the thing I really liked about it is just when you
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there's been this like horrible murder and there's all this
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tension, something really silly will happen.
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And it kind of just stops it from getting to be like a really
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dark, heavy series. It actually keeps it in the kind
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of like very fun, energetic place.
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Like, I think you could watch this with like young, quite
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young kids and it wouldn't be. Scary to them at all.
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But yeah, that's the best part, I guess.
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I think. I mean, it's not too graphic.
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I mean for, you know, watching with the family, especially if
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you have a kid around. That that's what I was thinking
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because even the, the first episode where there's a roller
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coaster murder, someone gets decapitated and there's, I mean,
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it, it doesn't show you it's happening.
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It shows you in flashes and then it shows you a decapitated body
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and where they've just got like a no head, obviously and there's
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blood there. But I'm sure to get around the,
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the age limit or like the sensors that make the blood a
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different colour. It was the one that I watched
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and don't really register it as a decapitation.
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You just say, oh, there's been another murder, right?
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On Netflix, it's pretty Corey. I mean it was red.
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Yeah, it's it's it's really interesting because there are,
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this is something that happens with 90s anime a lot in that
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there was a lot of different censorship laws for different
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countries. And so you notice they're like
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the animators would change certain scenes and
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transformation scenes to fit different countries that they
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were like exporting the anime to.
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And they did it the same. They did it the same with like
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so like a really famous version of it is where they do it with
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the storylines as well. So in America, in order to keep
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Sailor Moon like rated for young children, two of the characters
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are supposed to be like girlfriends and they change it
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to cousins. But then it makes it really
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weird because the only thing they do is change the the fact
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that they're like romantic into being cousins.
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But then they. Don't change any of the.
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Dialogue and so these cousins are just very.
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I think they do the same thing. I think they do the same thing
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with Yeah. I think there's another anime
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called Card Captor Sakura. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So it's, it's and it is, it is kind of fascinating when you
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notice those differences when you're watching some, because
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some, I'm a big like I tend to watch stuff in dubs.
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And then when you go back and watch the Subs later, you're
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like, oh, that's very different. There's one in Dragon Ball Z
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with hell, Hell town I think. Do you want to have the IT?
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I can't remember what the changes to now, but it's a say
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in hell they say something else, the eternal.
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For. Losers or something?
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Oh yeah, I guess that's when after the Sense saga or
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something and before the boost starts, I guess.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fun fact, up until 2013 in
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India, we used to have on censored TV.
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I mean, like shows like Supernatural, like we had the
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literally like the deep decapitating scenes, blood and
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gore of the show going on. And then I think in 2013, there
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was some new rule past. And then, yeah, all those scenes
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were like, censored out from TV. Yeah.
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And what's the point of watching American television if you're
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not going to see all that? Yeah.
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And there is something because it's because we have something
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over here called the watershed. So it used to be that you after
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a certain time of day was where you would get all of like the
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violent stuff. And also like, you know.
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Like the sexy stuff and and you'd have like a pre watershed
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version and then a post watershed version, yeah.
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And so like. Yeah, and even now on streaming
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services, there's still an option where you can like turn
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off all the swearing for. Stuff, right.
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So I remember as a kid, as a kid while watching Cartoon Network,
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I think by 9 PMI think it just ended.
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And then a channel called TNTTNT started and like that used to
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have all the American Western stuff going on and adult stuff
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going on and like, and you weren't supposed to watch beyond
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that. Yes, yeah, there was always a
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rule like you're not allowed to watch after this time.
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And it's like, yeah, but you'll find a way, kids find a way.
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Yeah. So in terms of like how you
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would want. So obviously we've watched the
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first 3 episodes for the purpose of this.
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What were some of the highlights in those first 3 episodes for?
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You my rights, OK, if I go it by go with it by episode wise.
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So the first episode, I think you know how Honan explains the
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how the murderer like the girl with the Pearl necklace kind of
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the murder in the first episode. I think that was the highlight
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of the first episode. Yeah.
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And along with that, how the drug was forced down his throat
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when he was, you know, knocked out.
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I mean, how do you force something down someone's throat
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when they are knocked out? That with two, with water?
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I mean, that's not explainable. You know, like, you know, like
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where you'll give dogs medication.
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Exactly. I mean, it's not a dissolvable
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tablet. This food has a capsule.
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And surely it'd be easier to inject?
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Exactly, they would have just finished him off and be done
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with it. Why test the new poison and then
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let's see if this person dies or not.
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They have to keep monitoring him.
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Like why go through all that hassle?
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I mean, that would have ended the show for us, but.
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You know, yeah, yeah. It would be very, very short.
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We wouldn't have 1000 in plus episodes.
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Yeah. It's weird.
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How no one's. Decided to test it as well
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before taking it on the field. So this little case with these
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tablets on with experimental poisons and no one thought
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she'll try it in the lab before we give this to a guy.
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Let's just go straight straight in to give it to a guy.
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Oh yes. I kind of love.
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I kind of love that. I was willing to suspend my
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disbelief on that. But I agree.
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I really liked the bit. I I and I think this is a sign
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of a really good like murder mystery detective show.
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Is is the reveal the most exciting part of the show?
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Because it should be every time. I agree.
24:59
Who who did the crime should be the most exciting bit, and I
25:02
think Detective Conan nails it every time.
25:05
Every time and second episode I would say it has.
25:09
I think I had two. It had two highlights. 1st when
25:12
you know Shinichi was explaining that he is Shinichi to Doctor
25:16
Aghasa. When and the last part of it, I
25:21
think during the climax when Ran comes in and you know KO's the
25:26
guy with karate. Oh yes.
25:33
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the third episode, I would
25:37
say it's a very cheeky moment is like when, you know, the
25:41
Japanese celebrity, like she turn up, turns up at Cobra's
25:46
office and like Cobra's like come back another day.
25:50
And then he realizes and then he rushes into the room and he
25:54
changes into this tux with his, you know, rose hair.
25:58
Like anything for you miss. Yeah, I, yeah, I, I agree with
26:07
you. It has lots of lovely, like,
26:09
very funny little sweet moments to it.
26:11
I also really liked, weirdly, I really like the scenes where
26:14
he's just like walking with his friends and talking things
26:17
through and trying to like, adjust to be like his new life
26:23
in a way. I actually found those like
26:25
little slice of life moments really endearing.
26:29
Right. Yeah, like I think it's.
26:33
Like when he launches that kicks a football at someone instead of
26:37
kicking them because he's like, Oh yes, I'm a child.
26:39
I kind of put me weight behind the kick, so.
26:43
That's that's when the gadgets come to use.
26:47
That's when the gadgets come to use later on.
26:48
Like I'm giving us big spoiler over here.
26:51
Like he gets shoes, which are, you know, let's say designed by
26:57
Professor Casa. And then I think you need to
26:59
watch more before I say anything.
27:01
Yeah, and I oh, sorry, go for it.
27:06
No, I was just going to say I really want to watch your head
27:08
with them with me, son. He's 5 and I think it's kind of
27:12
appropriate for him because there's not.
27:14
Any it is. It's more right I.
27:16
Means than. Violence or goal?
27:19
Yeah, yeah. Right.
27:21
It'll be pretty entertaining for him because like it's a show
27:23
full of kids. He might find it easy to relate
27:27
to, even though he might not understand it at the moment.
27:30
Sure, when he is, you know, growing up as a teenager or
27:33
young adolescent, he would probably, you know, just one day
27:36
log into Crunchyroll or Netflix for that matter.
27:39
And then why not give this another watch?
27:41
It's like what's been happening to me over the years.
27:44
It's like when I watched the things that were on air, I was
27:48
pretty young. I was like, let's say in my
27:50
early 20s, late 20s and now. And I'm certain things which I
27:56
watched them for the second or third time, like, OK, so this is
28:00
the thing. Like, this is how everything,
28:03
you know, connects to everything.
28:04
And like, then I think when the realization hits, it's like even
28:08
mind blown. Yeah.
28:11
Yeah. And I think.
28:13
I think. I think it'll be all.
28:14
Right. For your son, I think the only
28:16
thing you need to worry about is, is it going to inspire him
28:18
to commit crimes? Oh yeah.
28:21
Maybe solve? Crimes.
28:23
And but like. Hopefully it'll be the opposite.
28:25
Yeah, so there is this. Show in India called.
28:30
CID Yeah. So in India, there's this show
28:35
called. CID is the live action show but
28:37
the crime investigation department of the police and
28:41
they have solved many crimes that has been going on for like
28:45
20-3 years and or more 20 years at least.
28:48
And like criminals in India, like they have been getting
28:53
inspired by these and committing crimes in real life.
28:57
I wonder if anyone's watched Detective Conan and genuinely
29:01
obviously not your son Chris. Your son is a lovely young man
29:04
who did not hurt a family. 4 episodes in.
29:07
He'll outsmart. Me, I love his dream.
29:12
I love his. Logic all.
29:13
I love his logic all together. Turning the window bumblebee.
29:19
He'd probably turn you into a child so that you guys can play
29:22
more. That would be the extent of Finn
29:24
these crimes or your son's crime.
29:27
Sorry. Feel free to bleep his name.
29:33
But I do wonder if anyone like if anyone's ever watched
29:36
Detective Conan and gone. Do you know what I could use a
29:39
roller coaster to decapitate someone.
29:44
OK. Push it downstairs.
29:47
But let's. Say I sorry, please go on.
29:50
Oh no sorry. Oh no, you.
29:52
Were you about to tell us how you would murder someone if you
29:54
were going to? No, No, no, no, no.
29:56
No, I would so I. Would use it for.
29:59
Academic purposes for that matter, for like, for example, I
30:02
remember, OK, this is very a bit too personal.
30:06
Like for one of my courses in university, I remember like they
30:10
had asked us for a course to, you know, come up with a Crime
30:13
Story. And then I was like thinking
30:16
like what innovative time story that I can write and like, it
30:20
can't be something realistic, something whatever.
30:23
And then I really, I stumbled upon some episode of Detective
30:26
Con and like, why not write it in my own words?
30:28
Why not really? Why?
30:30
Not create everything like. Your own universe, but the story
30:33
would be intact. And then I did.
30:37
And then I did and. Then your only crime was.
30:40
Plagiarism. It's fine.
30:42
It was plagiarism. I mean, the story was
30:45
plagiarized but. Yeah, I mean.
30:49
I it was good enough to get a passing match, so yeah, that's
30:53
fine. And you?
30:54
Know, Mark Twain said. Good authors are inspired.
30:58
Great authors steal. So if Mark Twain said.
31:02
That we'll know that quote, but we'll keep that.
31:04
Yeah, it's a good one. I think he probably.
31:06
Stole it from someone else so yeah.
31:12
So did you think so after watch having watched 3 episodes?
31:15
Obviously we know Arjun, you're on like season 8.
31:20
So we know that you would watch more than three episodes.
31:23
Chris, would you watch past three episodes?
31:25
Are you going to be like slowly feeding, feeding this into your
31:29
anime a yam because. It's.
31:34
I don't think. It's a one that you can kind of
31:37
switch off and put on the background.
31:38
You have to actually watch it, but oh, yes, yeah.
31:42
Because like, it's, it's the little things where even like in
31:46
episode 3, there was a guy that killed himself and you're like,
31:51
how did he come to that conclusion?
31:52
You found him with a knife in his back.
31:54
And he's. Oh, yeah.
31:55
It's this old trick, this famous trick where you put it in an ice
31:59
block. I can tell from the dent in the
32:01
floor and this and blahdy blah. And it's just like, I would
32:04
never have thought of that at the start of the episode or when
32:07
you discovered the body. All right.
32:10
But yeah, it's interesting. It's not a switch off anime, but
32:13
it's like a yeah, that's pretty cool.
32:17
I. Also think that that was another
32:19
thing that I really liked about the series and is I also think a
32:22
really good mark of good murder mystery detective shows, which
32:27
is the thing that me and my mum watched a lot together when we
32:31
were living together. Me and my mum would watch
32:33
basically murder mysteries like NCIS and all the Agatha
32:36
Christie's and Sherlock Holmes and stuff.
32:40
But it's the, the good ones are the ones where they give you all
32:42
the clues, but you still can't work it out until the end.
32:46
And in Detective Conan, all the clues are there, but you just
32:49
feel like an idiot because you can't put them together.
32:52
And then you watch it again and you're like, I could have
32:55
figured it out if I was as smart as Detective Conan.
32:58
And that's, I think, really good writing because they're not like
33:00
withholding something so that you can't work it out.
33:04
It's just that the problem is so often unique and strange that
33:08
you don't think to put the clues together in a certain way.
33:11
And I loved that, right? So.
33:14
If I may point out in that in that incident, like let's say if
33:19
I don't know if it's available, that option will be that version
33:23
is shown on Crunchyroll on Netflix.
33:26
It is shown on Netflix for that matter, like at the end of each
33:29
episode, like for the next episode, they said like Conan's
33:33
next hint, ice lock or let's say blood stain or something.
33:38
And then it gives you the, you know, motivation to think, OK,
33:42
this has something to do with this.
33:44
Then it gets you to, you know, and Conan always appears like
33:48
challenge, I challenge you or challenge me in the next episode
33:50
or something like that. And like, OK, now you're
33:53
talking, now you have some motivation.
33:58
Yeah, Yeah. And also you.
33:59
Feel like you feel like you're solving the crime with detective
34:02
Conan, which I think is really lovely way to engage your
34:06
audience and and brave as a writer because if you don't have
34:10
a clever solution, it's going to be worked out really quickly.
34:13
So it's kind of like, I think it's like like the writers room
34:18
for Detective Conan are just going, do you know what?
34:21
Have a go if you think you're hard enough.
34:24
And it's like fair play to them. I think it's really ballsy and I
34:28
love that. Yeah, see, I, I never watched
34:32
the after the closing, after the credits because.
34:37
I never want to see. A preview of the next episode
34:39
because see, I I don't want to take movie trailers very much as
34:42
well because I don't know, I don't want.
34:45
To know what's going to. Happen just in case they give
34:48
you too much. You can you can do that.
34:53
I mean, even was the teaser instead of the traitor.
34:58
I mean, that's how it's done in India.
35:00
Like there is a teaser, then after a while in the trailer,
35:04
then comes the movie. And like, if you was a teaser,
35:07
like it gets you going enough. Like, OK, if I don't want too
35:10
many spoilers, I won't watch the trailer.
35:13
But yeah, I mean, but in the end of the end of each episode of
35:17
Detective Conan, like you don't have a choice.
35:19
Like if you, if you, you know, want to get into the nostalgia
35:23
or something of hearing the entire ending thread, it's the
35:26
the song. And then by the end of the song,
35:30
like right after the song, they say that Conan's next hint is
35:32
this and like, oh, you're done for.
35:35
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, do you?
35:38
That was another thing actually we didn't touch on, but I
35:40
thought it was again and I think it's a hallmark of 90s anime
35:44
soundtrack. The soundtrack in detected
35:47
Conan. Absolutely.
35:49
Amazing. And one of the things that you,
35:50
because you, you mentioned the Hindi introduction.
35:54
So I went and looked that up as well.
35:56
And I was like, this is this is a tune.
35:59
Yeah. Really good fun.
36:01
So, and I kind of loved, yeah, the the music threw out of it
36:05
was just really like great. That was just my that's all I
36:08
had to say on it. What do?
36:10
You guys think? Absolutely, I think.
36:14
Oh please, go on. I was just going to say that.
36:17
I've never I've heard the English 1, yet I've heard the
36:21
Japanese one. I've heard the English.
36:22
Version, Japanese version and the Hindi version.
36:24
So Hindi versions are always more catchy than the English I
36:29
was. By far I think it was more
36:32
catchy than the Japanese and the English one.
36:34
The Hindi version is like the one that I'd be adding to a
36:37
playlist for sure, right? Yeah.
36:43
And so, yeah, so. What?
36:46
Yeah, about the soundtrack, which I was saying, I think it's
36:48
very essential to any kind of show.
36:50
I mean, even to ATV series or to a movie for that matter.
36:55
Like if the soundtrack isn't good, I mean people won't be,
36:58
you know, attracted to it in the first place.
37:00
And like, especially to anime, I mean, if it identifies the pop
37:05
culture of it, something, you know, entirely original of its
37:08
own and and it's catchy for that matter, then all the more
37:11
reasonable people will watch it. Like, let's say people still
37:14
remember like Rock the dragon tune from Dragon Ball Z and he
37:17
it's still a old time thing. Or like, let's say the tone from
37:21
Cowboy Bebop. And like Naruto, Naruto has so
37:24
many openings, so many Closings. I mean like Bluebird or let's
37:29
say Go or like those ones, like you actually sit through the
37:33
entire thing instead of, you know, let's skip to the end of
37:36
it. Naruto has got so many good.
37:40
Sorry, we're going to go down a Naruto hole now because Chris
37:44
and I did that recent did Naruto recently on the podcast and both
37:49
of us the IT was the the soundtrack for both of us was
37:52
like, Oh my God, instant nostalgia.
37:55
And we were like sending my ringtone different.
37:57
Opening titles, yeah. There's so so the the Bluebird.
38:00
The instrumental version of Bluebird is my ringtone for my
38:03
iPhone. Yeah, nice.
38:06
It's for me as well. It's the closing, the closing
38:09
song right in the, like, early series because that is a song
38:14
that I sat down. And like, I think I've already
38:17
told this story on the podcast, so I won't go into, like, loads
38:20
of detail, but I basically like sat down and tried to learn it
38:22
myself in the hopes that it would impress people.
38:25
And I think I'm the only one who enjoyed it, but I still had a
38:27
good time. Yeah.
38:34
So in terms of looking back from 2025, right, how do you feel?
38:43
How do you feel this holds up? We've talked a bit.
38:45
We said yeah, it the animation style changes through the series
38:50
and I think you can see a difference from the early to the
38:52
later series, right? So I think that.
38:56
Has got to do with every anime, for that matter, which continues
38:59
for that long. Yeah, yeah.
39:01
Yeah, for sure, even. I was talking to.
39:06
Lee and Jake about even One Piece because that was started
39:09
in 2000 and odd and I was starting from scratch and I'm
39:14
looking at the first episode to clips of new episodes and it's
39:18
just like night and day again. So it always progresses, I
39:21
think, with the time and popularity.
39:25
Yeah, and I thought. The animation, obviously it's it
39:27
is 90s anime, so you can tell that it isn't modern.
39:31
What I thought holds up very well though is like,
39:33
thematically story wise, the story doesn't feel that old.
39:37
I feel like you could have exactly the same script with
39:41
updated anime and you would never know that it was
39:43
originally released in 1996. And I thought that was a mark of
39:46
a classic, right? Yeah, exactly.
39:49
But you don't. With pixel Poly is just two HD
39:53
right now. It's like, I mean more graphics
39:58
more, you know, high definition of everything.
40:00
Like when it started, like it was like, you know, kind of the
40:04
4th or the 5th draft of the original drawings, which you
40:07
know, went into play. And but by now it's like, I
40:10
don't know, like the 30th draft or something.
40:12
And like every everything is more detailed and everything.
40:15
And you know, technology has improved so much.
40:19
And then obviously people don't want to fall behind unless the
40:22
enemy you know is. Basically based on the olden
40:25
times like then or it has that kind of a vibe, like it gives up
40:29
like the 70s vibe or 90s vibe and you want it to be, you know,
40:33
purposely want it to be that way.
40:36
Yeah. And I always.
40:37
Think that the the one of the telling things is the screen
40:41
composition. So like when you see something
40:43
that's in like a lovely square, you think I know the type of
40:47
telly that this would have been shown on and the telly would
40:49
have been enormous, but the screen wouldn't have been that
40:51
big and it'd been very deep. Oh yes.
40:55
And there is like. Yeah, yeah.
40:58
And this this. Does have that kind of like
40:59
square nostalgia framing to it. Yeah.
41:03
Because the belly used to be like.
41:04
You know, like a cuboid or something.
41:07
And now it's just an LED screen, fat screen.
41:09
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I can always tell when I
41:13
try to. Find pictures for the thumbnail,
41:16
what resolution that we mostly have.
41:17
And this when you were looking for the original pictures, it's
41:21
like it's very small. Bad resolution.
41:24
Yeah, yeah. Oh.
41:24
Yes, it was it. Was the same for.
41:26
Naruto as well to be fair. I agree like.
41:30
Once it made the ship, you know, shift to Shepherd and you could
41:33
see the difference. Yeah, definitely.
41:36
Very much. Very much for sure.
41:40
And now even Boruto. For that matter, like if you
41:43
guys have watched Boruto at all, like it's completely different.
41:46
I mean, I hate the animation that you know, the change that
41:50
has gone like you expected, you know, Naruto to be more cool
41:52
looking. You expecting the animation to
41:54
be like way more superior or something?
41:57
Like anything Bordo has kind of, you know, messed up right?
42:02
So I haven't seen Borado, mainly because it will make me feel
42:06
really old because I've grew up with Naruto Shippuden as well.
42:10
And you can't. You can't.
42:12
Watch that plucky young orphan turn into a dad.
42:15
It's too. It's too real.
42:17
Yeah. And fun fact.
42:19
Masashi Kishimoto, like you know, the creator of Naruto,
42:22
like he has said that Boruto isn't Canon, right?
42:27
Yeah. So.
42:29
That's another reason why I won't watch it.
42:33
That's that's the. Cool, nerdy reason not to watch
42:35
it, but that's not the real reason you're not watching it is
42:38
because you're. You're upset that he's.
42:41
Doesn't have enough enough back pain to really be a dad.
42:45
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Imagine after.
42:49
His life of. Acrobatics and ninja Ness.
42:52
I mean, yeah. I mean, but he the you know, he,
42:57
if you if you watch border somehow, like you find like if
43:00
now that he is the, you know, head of the village, he is the
43:03
Kage. And you know, he has so many
43:07
duties to manage. Like he is needs to be at
43:11
different places at different points of time.
43:12
So he there are just multiple shadow clones of him and like
43:16
and critical moments like, you know, when the chakra runs out,
43:19
they the shadow clones disappear and then some mishap happened
43:22
and then border just gets so pissed off and like that Why
43:25
can't you be in person? And also.
43:29
Who hasn't wanted to be able to split themselves in two just to
43:33
accomplish stuff in the day? I think that's very relatable.
43:38
Yeah. It's like, you know?
43:40
The time turn from Harry Potter, Yeah.
43:43
Or the other, the other skill that I'm always like if if I
43:46
could have a superpower just over, it's always teleportation
43:49
because there's so much time between like when you're just
43:52
going from point A to B and I just want to be there and get
43:54
stuff done rather than have to like do the bouncing around
43:58
that's like. You know, there's this another
44:01
anime called Doraemon. I mean, you guys have obviously
44:03
heard about it. There's this, there is this
44:06
gadget called Anywhere Door. And like, that door just opens
44:10
into another place on the earth and like, oh, you're this there.
44:14
Yeah. Or like in Hal's Moving Castle,
44:17
when you've got Hal's door that he could just go to a yes, yeah.
44:20
Yeah. Super.
44:25
I think that's it. There's time for our closing
44:27
thoughts. So like obviously we all really
44:30
loved this and we definitely would be recommending this as a
44:33
go and go and oh, I have a huge list.
44:35
With me I have a huge list with me which you guys would love.
44:40
Well, actually I, I haven't told Chris this.
44:44
I was going to say. So next we we've got a few
44:48
things scheduled for December, but in January at the moment, we
44:53
haven't decided what we're going to be doing.
44:54
So this episode is going to be airing in December and then
44:57
January. We don't know what we're going
44:58
to be doing. And I was going to ask you for a
45:00
recommendation on the fly of like an anime that you think we
45:04
should we should check out in the new year.
45:07
What do you think? Hey.
45:10
I have plenty, but it depends on the genre.
45:12
Like if you're looking for something comedic, I would say
45:17
there's this one particularly called Kochikame.
45:20
And it's it's about this the regular activities of a police
45:24
station in Japan and then especially centered around this
45:28
cop is rented around this cop who is, you know, very money
45:32
minded and he finds different ways to make money on the side.
45:39
Oh, OK. That sounds like fun.
45:40
Could you call me? Yeah, And there's Shenzhen.
45:44
There is Shenzhen, but then Shenzhen is like, you know, a
45:47
Japanese version of, let's say, Peppa Pig.
45:49
It teaches the wrong stuff to kids.
45:57
When you mentioned Shin Chan at the start of this I was like, I
45:59
haven't heard that name for years.
46:01
I used to love watching that on Fox Kids I.
46:05
So I also used to watch Shin Chan as a child and.
46:08
And I recently rewatched it thinking, oh, maybe this could
46:11
be something that it's fun to like, give me like a thing of
46:15
nostalgia. And I was like, oh, no, this is
46:17
teaching 100% teaching kids the absolute worst, worst stuff.
46:22
It's so rude, but quite fun. But yeah.
46:26
Pochekam, I think it's very underrated.
46:28
Yeah, Pochekam is very underrated.
46:29
I think that deserves a watch. OK, great.
46:32
That's going on the list. Thank you so much, Arjun.
46:36
Any last thoughts before we before we say goodbye?
46:41
I'm just glad that you guys have called me on the show and I
46:45
would be happy to return sometime.
46:48
Oh, definitely love to have you back, Chris.
46:51
You looked like you were about to say something.
46:53
Yeah, I just want to thank. Arjun because I would never have
46:56
picked this up. And if I if I'd stumbled upon it
46:59
and I'd thought that it was $1000 episodes, it would have
47:02
been intimidating. So I probably wouldn't have
47:04
stopped it. And it's kind of like One Piece.
47:07
It's took us so long to start this because of the amount of
47:12
episodes. And yeah, I think it is.
47:15
There's a reason why there's that many episodes as good.
47:17
And thanks for introducing to us.
47:19
Hopefully I'll be not watching with.
47:20
My son soon. I'm so very happy.
47:24
You guys decided to start watching this and I would be
47:26
more happy if you guys would decide to continue watching it
47:30
because it definitely needs watching past three episodes I.
47:35
I definitely will be watching past it because I really
47:38
genuinely enjoyed it and it was just like a good it's a really
47:41
good murder mystery of an anime series.
47:43
That's right. And I.
47:45
Just wanted to you know, you know how Nadia not works is like
47:49
how I send in reviews, you know, every two weeks or something and
47:53
they decide to publish it. Like can something be done for
47:56
the anime page? Like can I start reviewing
47:58
animes which needs more watch and then you could you know,
48:00
post reviews about it or something like that?
48:02
100% please do. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
48:06
We would love that. I mean, we probably will use
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those to then watch anime on Anime Club.
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So Right, Right, right, right. Like Mark Twain said, right.
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But it was really great. So much, yeah.
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Yeah, very much. It'd be great.
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Please, like if, if you that's something you want to do and
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that's, that's always an open call to other people as well.
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And I would like to promote. This yeah of.
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Course, and I would. You know, love to contribute on
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a global scale. I mean, I would love to have the
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anime scale gain more recognition across the world.
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And like does not be limited to the UK for that matter.
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Absolutely. Not, no.
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No way. Oh, thank you so much, Arjun.
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Honestly, it's been an absolute honour having you with us.
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Thank you very much. Obviously, this is where I do
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the normal thing, where I'm like, like, comment, subscribe.
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If you've also got some good anime for the new year that you
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will be good for us to watch, Chris and I, or with friends,
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then please leave us a comment down below.
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And in the meantime, we'll yeah, have a good December and we will
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see you live again in January. Bye everyone.
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Bye. Awkwardly.
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Wave.