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Ep. 79 She Left Work Sick... Then Disappeared | The Andrea Allen Case · Weeknight Mysteries Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Weeknight Mysteries podcast. My name is Juras.
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  Speaker 1: I am joined with my co-host, Rain. How are you today?
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  Speaker 2: As always, pretty good. How are you today?
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty good. This is going to be episode number 79.
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  Speaker 1: if you will be doing this. We have Andrea Allen...
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  Speaker 1: disappearance case today that we're going to be talking about
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  Speaker 1: i was going through um reddit i was scrolling and
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  Speaker 1: i already have a backlog of very interesting cases that
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  Speaker 1: i would like to talk about andrea's case was very
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  Speaker 1: interesting to me so i thought maybe it's actually a
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  Speaker 1: pretty good time to talk about her case uh we
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  Speaker 1: have a woman who is uh a 23-year-old secretary, and
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  Speaker 1: she went missing under very strange circumstances back in 1982.
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  Speaker 1: So at the time of this recording, she has been
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  Speaker 1: missing for more than 40 years. I think she could
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  Speaker 1: still be alive in theory because she was 23 when
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  Speaker 1: she went missing. But she would definitely be an old
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  Speaker 1: woman at this point, if she is still somewhere in
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  Speaker 1: this planet. We don't really know what happened to her.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess the most bizarre thing about Andrea's disappearance
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  Speaker 1: is the very tight timeline under which she went missing. Essentially,
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  Speaker 1: she was reported to be in a very strange position
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  Speaker 1: within her own car, in a parking lot, in a...
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  Speaker 1: West Palm Beach. It's a city kind of close to
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  Speaker 1: Miami in Florida.
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  Speaker 2: It's quite famous, actually. Even I know about it.
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  Speaker 1: West Palm Beach?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I heard about it here and there. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know much details about it, but it's one
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  Speaker 2: of those places, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you heard about Palm Beach.
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  Speaker 2: Or West Palm Beach, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: West Palm Beach is, I think, literally to the west
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  Speaker 1: of Palm Beach.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: And it is the less, it's, from what I understand,
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  Speaker 1: it's not the premium residential community that Palm Beach is.
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  Speaker 2: It's more on the raggedy side, right?
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  Speaker 1: It's not raggedy. Nowadays, I believe it is quite luxurious.
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  Speaker 2: No, I meant in a way that during this case.
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  Speaker 1: During the 80s, it was less of a luxurious location.
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  Speaker 2: Would you say it was a shady spot? Back in
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  Speaker 2: the day.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that. Can't really comment. But essentially,
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  Speaker 1: Andrea was seen in her car, slumped over her steering
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  Speaker 1: wheel by an anonymous caller who called the police. And
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  Speaker 1: police arrived according to information that we have minutes later.
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  Speaker 1: And after those minutes, Andrea was no longer in her car.
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  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 1: To be honest, she has never been seen again ever
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  Speaker 1: since that. So we have a very strange case on
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  Speaker 1: our hands. What do you think about the case, Rain?
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  Speaker 1: Do you have some observations before we get going?
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  Speaker 2: It's definitely a mysterious case. I'm actually very surprised how
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  Speaker 2: you managed to find this case. Did you know about
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  Speaker 2: this before you came across and read it?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know about this case.
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  Speaker 2: Because it feels like it's such a small case, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean? I tried doing some research about
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  Speaker 2: it and like, The first tree of first four links,
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  Speaker 2: the Charlie Project, Reddit, and some other ones. It seems
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  Speaker 2: like they all have the same information. Very limited information.
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  Speaker 1: They have very limited information, but I think in this case,
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  Speaker 1: you could actually do your own.
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  Speaker 2: Digging.
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  Speaker 1: Your own digging. There is definitely ways to try to
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  Speaker 1: dig into this case.
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  Speaker 2: And it's also kind of crazy because this is one
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  Speaker 2: of those cases that... Because sometimes when we do an episode,
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  Speaker 2: I like going to YouTube, searching for it, and listening
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  Speaker 2: to other podcasts or listening to other documentaries about it
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  Speaker 2: as a background before we do some recording. But in
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  Speaker 2: this case, there's nothing.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't find anything?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't find anything. Maybe I found one, but it
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  Speaker 2: felt like AI... prompt prompted voice was it the short
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  Speaker 2: not a short i think it was a video but
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  Speaker 2: that's pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: It that is a valid point uh i think there's
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  Speaker 1: not that much information on andreas case online i guess
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  Speaker 1: my sources are reddit and a couple of uh newspaper
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  Speaker 1: clippings from back in the day Other than that, I
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  Speaker 1: think I looked at the location. And I tried to
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  Speaker 1: look into the other, let's say, related cases that we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be going over today.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not as detailed as Ray Rivera's case. But
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  Speaker 2: then again, Ray Rivera has a lot of things going on.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what I mean. It doesn't seem fully covered.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. I think with this, let's kind of talk
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about... andrea's case and let's go over
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  Speaker 1: the information that we do have on may 21st in
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  Speaker 1: 1982 which was a friday 23 year old secretary andrea
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  Speaker 1: allen left work early that day she left at around
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  Speaker 1: 3 p.m and she told the other people at work
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  Speaker 1: that she wasn't feeling well so she left the work
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  Speaker 1: on Friday a little earlier. The next day, on May 22nd,
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  Speaker 1: which was a Saturday, at around 11 p.m. in the evening,
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  Speaker 1: so this is more than 24 hours later, an anonymous
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  Speaker 1: man had called police. He told them that there was
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  Speaker 1: a woman slumped over the steering wheel of her car,
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  Speaker 1: parked in a grocery store parking lot in West Palm Beach.
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  Speaker 1: This particular parking lot was located around two miles away
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  Speaker 1: from her workplace. However, when police arrived just minutes later,
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  Speaker 1: they found that Andrea's car had been abandoned. There was
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  Speaker 1: no sign of Andrea anywhere. Her purse was found in
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  Speaker 1: the front seat, but there was no information provided whether
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  Speaker 1: or not police actually investigated the car more thoroughly i
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  Speaker 1: don't think we have information if andrea's fingerprints were left
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  Speaker 1: behind or if they actually did some sort of forensic
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  Speaker 1: analysis on the vehicle and ever since then andrea has
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  Speaker 1: been a missing person and to be honest she has
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  Speaker 1: never been seen when we talk about andrea's Andrea's case,
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  Speaker 1: Andrea Allen, we only have one image of Andrea. I
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  Speaker 1: have this image on our case file here, so you
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  Speaker 1: could take a look. If you haven't seen her picture,
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  Speaker 1: I know you're kind of pulling up the file, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to describe the image that I see.
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  Speaker 1: Andrea is a white woman. She is, to be honest,
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  Speaker 1: a quite pretty looking woman. And it was described that
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  Speaker 1: she was petite and not much, to be honest, is
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  Speaker 1: known about her background. We will be talking a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about the things that we do know. But from
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  Speaker 1: a visual standpoint, I mean, does anything jump out to you?
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  Speaker 1: She looks like a very regular, petite, pretty white girl.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe her in any other way.
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  Speaker 2: Dark hair, brunette.
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  Speaker 1: It was actually described that she's a blonde. Oh. I
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  Speaker 1: believe that this picture that we're looking at is a
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  Speaker 1: black and white picture, so maybe you can't really tell
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  Speaker 1: the hair color.
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  Speaker 2: No, but still, even if it's a black and white picture,
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  Speaker 2: you could tell the hair color, no? But maybe at
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  Speaker 2: this particular picture, she was brunette.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure, but maybe you have a good point.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that in the NamUs website, where I believe
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  Speaker 1: it was the Jane Doe Network, I don't remember, one
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  Speaker 1: of those websites have a, description of Andrea, she's referred
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  Speaker 1: to as a blonde woman. And at the time of
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  Speaker 1: her disappearance, Andrea's body type was described as petite, I
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  Speaker 1: already mentioned this, and she had blonde hair. Andrea is
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  Speaker 1: a white female, she is five foot tall, and she
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  Speaker 1: weighed around 105 to 150 pounds at the time of her.
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  Speaker 2: Disappearance she was 23 years old she was 23 how
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  Speaker 2: young very young right it's super.
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  Speaker 1: Young she was young yeah and she also has green
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  Speaker 1: eyes we do have information that Andrea was actually married
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  Speaker 1: to a man named Glenn Shapiro. However, the two of
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  Speaker 1: them had divorced in 1981, one year prior to Andrea's disappearance.
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  Speaker 2: Got divorced at 22. She lived a life. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry and I feel so bad that it
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  Speaker 2: was cut short a bit too early, but married and
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  Speaker 2: divorced at 23. When I was 23, I was still
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  Speaker 2: doing a lot of kid stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I don't even want to discuss my life at 23.
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  Speaker 2: Video games?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, not much.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like 23-year-olds back in the day were already
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  Speaker 2: like full-grown adults.
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  Speaker 1: I know what you mean.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: I know what you mean. It does seem that way sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: So we don't really know exactly why they broke up.
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  Speaker 1: And I tried looking at Glenn Shapiro specifically. I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: really find any information. I think I ran across several
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  Speaker 1: different Glenn Shapiros from Florida. I think there was Glenn
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  Speaker 1: Michael Shapiro. There was Glenn Shapiro. I think, I guess
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  Speaker 1: they would match the age because the people that I
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  Speaker 1: found when I just put, you know, this name Glenn
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  Speaker 1: Shapiro into the Google search, I think I, I think
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  Speaker 1: I found some sort of interesting website that was like
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  Speaker 1: some sort of a Florida registry of people. And it
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  Speaker 1: was so peculiar for me because people with that name
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  Speaker 1: have been listed there and their addresses as well. So
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  Speaker 1: you could just quickly take their address and put it
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  Speaker 1: in Google search and find where this particular person lives.
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  Speaker 1: I think that is.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: That is strange to me. So I found where these
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  Speaker 1: two particular Glenn Shapiros that I was interested in. I
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  Speaker 1: think there were only like two Glenn Shapiros that popped
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  Speaker 1: up from Florida.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that a bit unsafe though to have such a
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  Speaker 2: private information out there easily accessible by someone from Lithuania?
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  Speaker 1: I think it could create some potential risk.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So I looked at them and they do look like
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  Speaker 1: they kind of live close to West Palm Beach, not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily in West Palm Beach. We know that Glenn Shapiro,
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  Speaker 1: the real Glenn Shapiro from this case, did live in
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  Speaker 1: West Palm Beach. I didn't find any Glenn Shapiro that
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  Speaker 1: is currently residing in West Palm Beach, or at least
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  Speaker 1: according to that website.
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  Speaker 2: And no other information in terms of like news clippings
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  Speaker 2: or something?
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  Speaker 1: No, I didn't really get to find more information about him.
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  Speaker 1: I also tried to look for this Glenn Shapiro on Facebook,
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  Speaker 1: and I think Glenn Michael Shapiro, which is still a
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  Speaker 1: possibility that this is the same guy, popped into my
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  Speaker 1: Facebook feed. However, we have no way of verifying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So heads up, we don't know anything about this guy.
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  Speaker 2: So is it safe to say that since we don't
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  Speaker 2: know anything about this guy and no public mention of
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  Speaker 2: him being involved whatsoever, is it safe to say that
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  Speaker 2: he's not entirely involved?
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not safe to say that at all.
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  Speaker 2: It's just we don't know anything about him.
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  Speaker 1: We just don't know anything about him, but him being
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  Speaker 1: the ex-husband and Andrea passing away in such a bizarre manner,
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  Speaker 1: or not passing away, what am I saying, disappearing. Andrea
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  Speaker 1: disappearing in such a strange fashion. It is definitely not
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  Speaker 1: safe to say that Glenn Shapiro is ruled out. I
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  Speaker 1: have no.
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  Speaker 1: I have no reason to believe that Glenn Shapiro is
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  Speaker 1: not responsible or that he is responsible. We just don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We just still have to consider him, though.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Some sources also state that Andrea, at some point
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  Speaker 1: in her life, went by the name of Darlene Shapiro.
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  Speaker 1: Darlene is her middle name, so that's why she went
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  Speaker 1: with Darlene Shapiro at some point. At the time of
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  Speaker 1: her disappearance... Andrea was working as a secretary for the
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  Speaker 1: Florida Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services. This is some
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  Speaker 1: sort of a government institution.
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  Speaker 2: Rehab center.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, I think it's bigger than rehab. It was a
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  Speaker 1: big institution.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, so it is like the whole department, like the ones...
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  Speaker 2: working mainly on different rehabs in Florida?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it was the West Palm
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  Speaker 1: Beach branch of this institution. This institution, I believe in
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  Speaker 1: the 90s, had been dissolved and it was basically from
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  Speaker 1: one institution, two other ones came. But at the time,
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  Speaker 1: it was just one institution. I think, in general, what
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  Speaker 1: a secretary like Andrea would be doing at this institution, well,
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  Speaker 1: she would be working more of a traditional cleric work
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  Speaker 1: with supporting social workers, nurses, public health staff, or administrators.
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  Speaker 1: This institution was a large state agency responsible for many
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  Speaker 1: services that are now split among several different Florida agencies.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing we have to take into account that this
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  Speaker 1: was 1982, so technology was a bit different. I think,
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  Speaker 1: from what I understand, she would be doing a lot
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  Speaker 1: of typing.
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  Speaker 2: And telephones, maybe?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe answering some landline phone calls.
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  Speaker 2: No computers yet, right?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Computers were, I think, a thing, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure how much of a thing.
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  Speaker 2: The big bulky ones.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure in 82 how much of a
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  Speaker 1: thing computers were. I mean, I can't imagine that it
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  Speaker 1: was super available. Maybe in America. Maybe in America. So
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  Speaker 1: after she divorced Glenn Shapiro, we only have information that
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  Speaker 1: Andrea actually lived in several places. She was bouncing around.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know exactly... where or with whom she lived.
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  Speaker 1: I tried to find this information, but from my research,
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  Speaker 1: it is not available publicly. But eventually, she did settle
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  Speaker 1: down in Green Acres. Green Acres is another city. To
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  Speaker 1: be honest, this whole area of Florida, this, let's say,
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  Speaker 1: eastern part of Florida, where Miami is located, it is...
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of different cities that comprise this really
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  Speaker 1: big metropolitan area. Because even if you look at Miami's
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  Speaker 1: population right now on Wikipedia, it's like half a million.
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  Speaker 1: But the whole metropolitan area is six million. So there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people living in there. It's just it
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  Speaker 1: is divided into a lot of different towns. So when
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  Speaker 1: we say that, you know, Andrea moved in to Green Acres,
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  Speaker 1: we're actually saying that she's still living kind of really
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  Speaker 1: close to West Palm Beach. I believe it was only
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  Speaker 1: 10 miles away from West Palm Beach. So she found
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  Speaker 1: a location there. And we know that her ex-husband, Glenn Shapiro,
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  Speaker 1: was actually living in West Palm Beach at this time.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know exactly where in Green Acres Andrea lived.
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  Speaker 1: I did take a screenshot from Google Maps regarding where
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  Speaker 1: this Green Acres is. It is kind of... I guess
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: a little bit westward into the Florida geography, but it
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  Speaker 1: is still close to the busy coastline. I also kind
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  Speaker 1: of tried to find out a little bit about how
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: West Palm Beach would be different from West Palm Beach
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  Speaker 1: of modern day. So it would be a different environment,
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  Speaker 1: Right now, West Palm Beach is a growing, luxurious destination.
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  Speaker 1: I believe right now West Palm Beach population is around 120,000 people.
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  Speaker 1: But back in the day, in the 80s, the population
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  Speaker 1: was more around 60,000 people. So it was half the
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  Speaker 1: population that it is right now.
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  Speaker 2: I did actually read something about West Palm Beach in
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  Speaker 2: the 80s. Surprisingly, these days it's luxurious, right?
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  Speaker 1: I believe it is like a prime time.
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  Speaker 2: But apparently in the 1980s, it was an area with
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  Speaker 2: high crime and crack cocaine epidemic. Really?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. It had the cocaine epidemic.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Urban challenges and crime of West Palm Beach in 1980s.
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  Speaker 2: According to Google, high crime rates in the late 1980s.
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  Speaker 2: West Palm Beach recorded one of the highest crime rates
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  Speaker 2: in the United States. for a city its size. And
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  Speaker 2: a severe street cocaine and crack riots has gripped parts
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  Speaker 2: of the inner city. And there was a downtown decay.
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  Speaker 2: Commercial expansion further west led to significant urban decay and
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: struggling storefronts in historic court near Oak. Kichobi Boulevard, sorry
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  Speaker 2: for butchering that, before revitalization efforts to cold in the 90s. Interesting, right?
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  Speaker 1: So this does paint an interesting picture. I think this
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  Speaker 1: is relevant.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: This is definitely relevant to the case. The fact that
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  Speaker 1: this was....
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  Speaker 2: Completely different from the West Palm Beach Nail. When you
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  Speaker 2: mentioned luxurious, I was like, oh really?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure how luxurious it is even nowadays, but
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it was not that at all back
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  Speaker 1: in the day. I feel like it was a more
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  Speaker 1: dangerous place than an average American town by the sound
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  Speaker 1: of it. I did know that back in the day,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of The economy in this particular city came
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  Speaker 1: from tourism and hospitality. So I do think that tourism
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  Speaker 1: was a big thing here. I think also retirees were
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  Speaker 1: common in West Palm Beach. And also we had people, well,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: you know, West Palm Beach had people come in from
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the northern, northeastern part of America. These are called snowbirds,
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  Speaker 1: the people that would go down south during the colder
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  Speaker 1: part of the year. So we had people coming in
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: from other parts of America as well.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny how they call them the snowbirds. It's highly relatable, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: People from up north where it gets really cold, they
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  Speaker 2: do tend to travel south when it's wintertime.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah we have we have a very similar thing here
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  Speaker 1: as well people from you know even like our little
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  Speaker 1: country here would go to more southern parts of europe
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  Speaker 1: uh you know like turkey whatever greece greece turkey during the.
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  Speaker 2: Winter when it's minus 30 you know it's time to
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  Speaker 2: pack your bags for.
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  Speaker 1: A bit but it does help you know yeah because.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: After months of just gray and no sun.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah You kind of miss it. Especially sometimes these winters
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: here are crazy. Like this last winter.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Crazy long.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Was just brutal.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: So we also have a little bit of information about
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Green Acres back in the 80s. So Green Acres, the
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: place where Andrea eventually moved in after divorcing Glenn Shapiro,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: it is actually initially... It was supposed to be a
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: retirement-oriented community that was built in the 60s. However, by
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: the 80s, from what I understand, it was already being,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what I'm trying to say,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: invaded by non-retirees.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Invaded? There's probably a better word for it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Stay with invaded, though.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: It was invaded by regular families because of the affordable
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: housing compared to the more coastal cities in that part
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: of Florida. Makes sense. Because Greenacres is a little bit
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: more inland. I understand it's... But it looks so green.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Like a suburban location. Mm-hmm.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I can see how enticing it is to move in
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: there and drive the retirees out.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: You know, here in Lithuania, I've never stepped foot in America. Obviously,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: we will. We just have to.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: We have to. It's one of the destinations.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: It's definitely going to happen. We're definitely going to go
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: to America. It's just... It's crazy not to go, to
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: be honest. And I feel like if you have the opportunity,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: everyone should go to America, I feel like, just to
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: see what's up. But for me... I would say this, like,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I'm always thinking about America and I'm thinking, what if
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I had to live there as a person who's never
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: been there for a second? You know, my first opinion
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: is like somewhere close to New York. Like I was
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: always thinking New York cause I liked the Sopranos and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I kind of liked that whole vibe. Like I would
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: kind of, if it feels like a cool place to
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: live or Florida, it's always these two locations.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Florida. I find a lot. Why Florida?
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Because the weather is great and it feels like something's happening.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Like big things are happening in Florida. It just feels
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: that way. So yeah, I guess we can travel to
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Florida soon. Digitally through GTA 6. That's coming up.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: It's not sponsored.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: No, but this was perfect.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: That was perfect. That was amazing. I did not know
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: where this conversation was going. I was just going along
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: for it.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Okay. All right, I think it's a good time now
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to jump to the disappearance of Andrea Allen. Andrea went
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: missing on the 21st of May. We already know that.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: So let's kind of delve a little bit to this timeline.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: At around 3 p.m. on Friday, she reported that she
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: was feeling sick at work and she left. We know, well,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: that's the thing that we don't know is what exactly
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: she felt. I don't think she ever specified to anyone
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: what actually she felt. But we know that Andrea, for
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: some reason, goes home a bit early, leaves her secretary
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: job at the department at 3 p.m., and this is
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: the last time that anyone had heard or seen her. Well,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: we know that the anonymous man that gave a call
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: to police said he saw her but we don't really
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: know a lot of information about that particular sighting this
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: is the last real real sighting that we can completely
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: verify is when she left early on Wednesday and presumably
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: she was supposed to go home this is another piece
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: of information that we don't know but it would make
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: sense that if you know Andrea is feeling sick she's
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: gonna go home because she needs to take care of
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: herself However, between 3 p.m. when she left work and
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the next day, at around 11 p.m. when her car
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: was found, we have no idea what happened. This is around,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I believe, 30 hours. This is more than 24 hours later,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: and we have no idea what Andrea did within this
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: time frame. At 11 p.m. the next day on Saturday,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: which was May 22nd, an anonymous man had called the police.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: He told them that he had seen a woman slumped
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: over her steering wheel in her car, and he had
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: seen this woman slumped over the steering wheel on two
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: separate occasions. This is an important fact in this case. However,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I wasn't able to find an explanation on what occasions,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: like how... like what was the time period between these
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: two occasions that this man had seen her in the car.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: But we do know that this location where the car
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: was found was actually a parking lot of a southern
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: United States-based supermarket chain called Winn-Dixie. Winn-Dixie is an American
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: supermarket chain And it is operating in the southern states
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: in America. I think it's southern eastern states. And I
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: think Florida is actually the home base, home state for
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Winn-Dixie supermarket chain. Have you ever heard about Winn-Dixie?
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: No, never. Not even once. It's one of those. Okay,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: those exist.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I'm always baffled at how many... chains of things are
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: in america right every time we're doing a podcast case
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: it feels like we're finding out about more chains that
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: we've never heard before this.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Is kind of crazy because in here we only have
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: like three big ones let's put it this way.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Well we have mcdonald's mcdonald's penetrated even you know the
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: first one.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: No i meant in terms of supermarkets and grocery stores i.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Was talking about in terms of american stuff oh So
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: in terms of American stuff, we have McD's. We have... Domino's. Domino's.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: But to be honest, all of these things came in late.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I remember as a kid, we had McD's, McDonald's since forever.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I remember KFC came just like some years ago, but
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: now it's big. We have dominoes it's pretty big we
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: also have uh burger king but it's like only one
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: one just a couple of them and i think that's.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: It i'm thinking if there's any more.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: We have subway we don't even have starbucks no we
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: don't have starbucks but we have our own version of
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: it i guess regardless uh so windixy supermarket chain um
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: this is where the car was found.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy for me that i don't know
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: from someone who has never stepped foot in america i
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: always thought it's kind of similar here because in here
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: we only have what three four grocery chains that's kind
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: of like common you go to one and you go
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: to the other i thought it was just target and
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: walmart no.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I think those are the The big ones. National. But
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I think every part of America has their own unique
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: specific smaller chains.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Kind of cool to think about. I'd love to visit
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: this one someday.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm actually kind of a big supermarket chain fan.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I like going to supermarkets that I've never seen before.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: And like comparing which one has something and what's unique
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I feel like this is one of the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: reasons why I think we should go to America. I
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: feel like this is a great place.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: A tourist destination for us.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Great place. So now let's jump back to the case.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: So we know that this particular Winn-Dixie parking lot was
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: actually two miles away from Andrea's work.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I have a question. How far is it from her home?
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Is it within the distance of her home? Do you
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: think she would take that route back to her home?
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: We don't know this because we don't know the exact
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: location of.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: No, I meant like Green Acres. So we know the
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: general vicinity where she lived, Green Acres. But is this
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: store connected to a road going back home?
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: We don't know this information, but this is actually a
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: very good question.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: We don't know this information because I wasn't able to
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: find the exact office where Andrea would be working.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, because it's already gone. Okay.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I wasn't able to find, and I wasn't able to
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: find the exact address in Green Acres. The only exact
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: address that we have in this case is the parking
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: lot itself, the Winn-Dixie parking lot.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was just wondering, like, maybe... During that day,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: she was really feeling bad that on her way back home,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: she was like, okay, maybe... Did they even sell medicine?
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: They probably sell medicine there.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Like, might as well get something before I drive back home.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Or maybe just groceries.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: True, yeah.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe this would be her regular grocery spot. We don't
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: know any of this. We can't say anything about that.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: What we can talk a little bit about is... the
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: location of the parking lot itself so i took a
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: couple of screenshots here and this parking lot is actually
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: located at 2500 north dixie highway this is where apparently
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: when dixie was located back in the day at the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: moment it's an empty plot of land But as far
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: back as 2005 from Google Maps, I could see that
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: there was in fact a building that seems like it
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: was demolished around 2005. And I could see that this
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: building was already present in its form in 1995. So
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: it's been there for like, let's say, at least a
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: decade or Starting in 1995, I think this could be
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the building that actually was there at the time of
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Andrea's disappearance. I do see a little parking lot adjacent
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: to it. What can you tell us about it? I mean,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: not much to say, right? Not much.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: It looks very American from the picture in the way
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: that it feels like everything is spaced apart, but neat
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: and tidy in a row at the same time.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: I know what you mean, but there is a parking lot.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: There is a parking lot.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: From, from the Google maps, I do see a parking
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: lot here. Uh, so this is a very interesting case because, uh,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: after the anonymous man made those phone calls, uh, made that, sorry,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: single phone call to law enforcement, police arrived minutes later.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: They found Andrea's car, but they did not find Andrea herself. Um,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: So this is something that jumps to my mind immediately. Well, firstly,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I find it pretty weird that the caller didn't wait
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: until police showed up. Nor has the caller ever came forward.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: We do not know the caller's identity. This is the
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: first thing that jumps to my mind. interesting kind of
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: like observation that I have here that I found interesting
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: is how exactly police knew which car they were supposed
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: to look at because now we don't have the caller
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: because he just vanished and police arrived so they found
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Andrea's car but Andrea was not there so They were
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: presumably looking for a car that had a woman in
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the front seat. But it never happened. I was thinking
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: since this was 11 p.m. in the evening.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Not much cars.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe not much cars. What do you think?
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking the same way. Maybe at that point the
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: store already closed. Because I'm assuming let's just say stores
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: back then also closed at 10 p.m.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Let's just give it a rough idea. So by 11 p.m.,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: there would be way less cars in there, no? And
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: it's going to be easier to point out which one's which.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: And in terms of the caller, he called at 11 p.m.,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: but you mentioned he called immediately, right? Because I was
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: thinking that maybe when he mentioned that he saw Andrea
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: on two separate occasions, he saw her like midday and
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: another one at 6 p.m., still slumped. And then by
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: 11 p.m., okay, I'm going to go back home or
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: go to a pay phone and call the police. Does
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: that make sense?
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess it's a possibility. I find it interesting
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: that the man would have seen the woman slumped over
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: like that on two multiple occasions, let's say in a
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: time frame of several hours.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: And this man doesn't wait for police to show up.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: That is true.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: That is a bit odd.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: He just goes away on his merry way.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, okay, I already called the police, did my job, bye.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So this one, this particular caller.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually really odd that he saw her once
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: and maybe let's say in the span of A few hours,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: couple of hours. He saw her again slumped and he
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: had like a bit of rage. Okay, this is weird.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna call the police. And then once he calls
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: the police, okay, job's done. I'm gonna go home.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this essentially is what happened.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: It's a bit odd.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: And Andrea gets out of her car during those minutes?
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very odd.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: That is odd. I was thinking maybe there's a chance
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: that the caller, you know, since it was a grocery store,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: he saw her going into the grocery and then coming back.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: But then I also find it interesting how in the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: reports it was emphasized that this man had seen Andrea
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: on two separate occasions. To me, two separate occasions sound
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: more like Two different times of the day. Not like
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: the brief moments that you spend in the grocery store.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I'm actually assuming that this guy, whoever called, was an employee.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Maybe he saw her, let's say maybe at 6 p.m.,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: when he was, I don't know, grabbing the carts from
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: the parking lot. They're doing some work. And then once again,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: when he was closing down, going home.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Well, I wouldn't assume he's the employee, to be honest.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I think it could be a possibility, but I wouldn't
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: be very certain that it was an employee.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Or it could be someone who was going to the
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: grocery store, saw her slumped, and by the time he's
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: done grocery shopping, about to go home, saw her again,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: and then drove back home, called.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that would mean that this person would go
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: to the grocery store two times.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: No, I meant like maybe there's two separate occasions that
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: we're talking about this. When that person parked his car
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: in a parking lot. went into the store, and maybe
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: on his way to the grocery store, he saw Andrea slumped.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: And then he was like, okay, maybe it's just she's
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: sleeping or something. And then when he's done with the grocery,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: let's assume that he did one hour in there. He
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: left and he still saw her slumped. went back home
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: or went to the nearest payphone, I don't know, call
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: the police. That could also be two separate occasions, no?
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that could be two separate occasions. I guess we
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: would need more information. When police arrived, they found her
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: purse inside of the driver's seat. I don't think anything
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: else other than that was mentioned. So we know that
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: her purse was in her car. but Andrea is gone.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: There is no other information regarding if police did any
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: forensic tests on the car, but we do have information
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: that apparently police went to the local hospitals and they
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: tried to find out if Andrea went there, but they
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: didn't get any information. So it seems that Andrea never
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: went to any of the local hospitals. So now they
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: did not know what to do. Some time has passed,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: and I believe it was a week. A week had passed.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: And police thought that they may have gotten a very
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: solid lead. because there was a woman's body that was
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: found in a nearby canal. Two people were fishing. They
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: were on an early morning fishing trip nearby when they
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: discovered the nude body of a young woman floating in
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the L3 canal, 20 miles west of West Palm Beach.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: The woman was beaten severely about the head before being
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: wrapped in a sheet weighted down by concrete blocks and barbells,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: you know, the ones that you use in the gym.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: And the woman was thrown into the canal where the
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: couple that was fishing spotted her body in the receding water.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Some articles of clothing, including a pair of jeans and
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: a glittery black tube top, were found discarded close to
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: her body. Police thought it could have been Andrea, but
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: they found out it was not her body. It was
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: actually someone else, a 17-year-old girl by the name of
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Marilyn Kennedy. Marilyn Kennedy, I think she was identified maybe
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: by her dental and fingerprints. and her autopsy came in,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: and apparently Mary Lynn Kennedy died of an overdose. But
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: we have a conflicting piece of report here, because we
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: kind of want to also consider what happened to this
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: 17-year-old girl. Maybe it could hold some sort of a connection, potentially,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: to Andrea's case. When you look up uh, Mary Lynn
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Kennedy's death, you only find one newspaper article from way
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: back in the day, um, regarding her case. And she
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: is identified not as a person who died of overdose,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: but as a murder victim. And it kind of makes
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: sense that she is a word murder victim because, you know,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: she was tied down by barbells. I mean, you don't
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: really end up like that.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: It's not like an accident.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Definitely. So, uh, we have the information a little bit, uh,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: In this article, a faint rain was falling Thursday evening
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: as premature dust came to Marilyn Kennedy's house in Delray Beach. Quote,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: you put in there, said her sister, Patricia Kennedy, 20,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: standing in the dusty front yard, that she was a good,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: sweet person, that she didn't deserve to die. Inside the
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: small house, Marilyn talked softly or stared. Her brother, court 15,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: sat on a sofa and cried. He would not be consoled.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: All became quiet when the newsman on television began to
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: tell Marilyn's story, summing up her life and death in
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: 15 seconds. Palm Beach County Sheriff Deputies confirmed publicly Thursday
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: what Marilyn's father, Joseph, had known in his heart since
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: last week, that Marilyn was dead. So in this particular article,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: we don't really have any information about who would be
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: responsible for her murder, but we do have in a
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: separate article a man by the name of Abraham Thomas Oliva,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: who is apparently a cocaine dealer who was responsible of
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: dumping her body in the kennel. This is very interesting
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: for me because I know we're talking about a separate
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: case for a little bit here, but Mary Lynn, autopsy
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: came in that she died of an overdose, but she
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: also had some sort of blunt injury to her head,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: I believe.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: It was, let's see. woman beaten severely about the head.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: So she was, so I don't really know what exactly
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: happened here to Mary Lynn because autopsy says overdose, but
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: she was also severely beaten up by the head area.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: So now we have another guy, right? Abraham Thomas Oliva.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: So why I'm speculating even this far is that we
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: would like to know if Abraham Thomas Oliva, the man
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: seemingly responsible for 17-year-old Mary Lynn's death, is he connected
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: to Andrea? Yeah. So I tried Googling this guy, and
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I found law.gestia.com, and apparently there is a case that
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: another man, well, maybe the same man, Abraham Thomas Oliva,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I believe it's the same man, he is described in
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: this article as, And he is described in a case
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: where he won an appeal back in 1974. This is
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: like four years before Andrea went missing. In this case,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: he was originally convicted of conspiracy to distribute cocaine, aiding
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: and abiding disruption, carrying a firearm during the felony. So
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: apparently they found him innocent. due to lack of evidence
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: of a conspiracy. So we do know that there was
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: some sort of a guy named Abraham Thomas Oliva back
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: in the day who was dealing cocaine. It seems like
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: he has been dealing cocaine since the 70s, and he
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: is responsible for, by the looks of it, murdering 17-year-old
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Mary Lynn Kennedy. Other than... the the the location the
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: proximity we don't have anything else connecting him to andrea's
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: case what do you think about this guy i mean
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: this actually plays into what you said about the place
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: being a dangerous cocaine location yeah.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Definitely definitely it's just a bit hard to point out
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: or like to relate one guy to another case that
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: we don't know much about i meant like andrea There's
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: no evidence or there's no clear indication. It just seems
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: like Andrea vanished in that parking lot. But hey, could
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: be a possibility.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was a dangerous location.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: It was a very dangerous location, yeah. So, in my opinion...
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Is there a possibility that it was him who did it? Yeah,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: could be. We know he's related. He does cocaine and
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: he's a very violent person. But could it also be another,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know, cocaine drug addict or another criminal could
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: also be the case?
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. We don't know Andrea's background if she was into
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: that stuff. We really don't know.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: That's actually a very good idea. A very good Very
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: good point. I meant, like, was she actually using?
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Nothing is reported on that.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Right. We can only speculate.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, we are back after a little break that
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: you guys didn't even notice.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: And now we are going to be bringing in another
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: case that could be potentially related.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Another one?
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know about this one? The murder of
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: George Birmingham III. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: George Birmingham the third was a man murdered by two
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: men one of those two men were was an uh
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: an acquaintance of andrea allen this is why we're gonna
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: be talking about it because um Andrea Allen's acquaintance, and
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: we don't know in what way, but an acquaintance, for sure,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: has been part of a murder of another man. So
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: let me kind of walk us through this other seemingly
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: unrelated murder case that took place. Actually... sometime before Andrea
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: went missing, this was, I believe, nine months before Andrea
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: went missing, we have on August 9th of 1981, a
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: group of hunters discovered the body of a 32-year-old George
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Birmingham III floating in a canal in the water catchment
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: area near 45th Street and Haverhill Road. George Birmingham apparently
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: had hitchhiked from New York to West Palm Beach just
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: a week earlier, and he had been shot once in
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: the face before being dumped into the water.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Crazy. It's brutal. Yeah.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: The murder went unsolved for two whole years before detectives
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: began compiling a list of acquaintances, to re-interview in Andrea's case.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: One interviewee was actually a person by the name of
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: George Bellinger. He was 36. And, you know, so what
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: they were doing now, they were kind of interviewing people
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: in Andrea's case. They were, you know, I think they
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: deemed George Birmingham's case as a cold case at this point.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: They already maybe even were not... focusing that much they
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: were basically focusing on andrea's case they talked to a
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: guy named george bellinger 36 year old acquaintance of andrea
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: so this guy george bellinger he offhandedly mentioned that he
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: used to live with another man named everett allure and
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: this immediately picked the interest of detectives who were actually
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: working on the George Birmingham case because Everett Lohr actually
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: was questioned during the initial investigation of that case. Everett
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: is at that point a 44 year old man and
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: he never told the investigators at that point that he
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: lived with George Bellinger. So when Everett was questioned during,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: you know, George Birmingham investigation, he didn't say that he
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: was living with Bellinger. But when Bellinger was questioned in
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: relation to Andrea's case, he said, oh, I used to
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: live with Everett. So they started looking into this now
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: because they were kind of interested and they were kind
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: of going back a At this point in time, George Bellinger,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: you know, the acquaintance of Andrea, he was actually serving
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: time in a county jail for an unrelated aggravated assault
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: and robbery case. And I don't really know exactly how
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: they were able to press Bellinger, but they were, and
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: he actually confessed to killing George Birbingham alongside Everett Lark.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: What happened is that both of the men told police
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: that there was an argument during which... There was an
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: argument because George Birmingham actually stole $ 10 from George Bellinger's
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: girlfriend's purse. So Bellinger told detectives that Everett Lohr forced Mr.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Birmingham at gunpoint to the location... where he was found.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: It is a bit of a confusing explanation to me
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: because Mr. Birmingham allegedly stole $ 10 from Mr. Bellinger's girlfriend's purse,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: but this unrelated guy, Everett Lohr, pulled out a gun
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: on Mr. Birmingham for $ 10 because this guy stole $ 10
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: from your friend's girlfriend. It feels like an extreme escalation
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: it is over ten dollars but apparently this is how
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: it goes down and their original plan was to actually
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: leave george birmingham on a starlight tour in the city's
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: remote water catchment area so i was like what is
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: a starlight tour so starlight tour is a thing according
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: to wikipedia it's incidents that involved indigenous canadians and members
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: of the Saskatoon Police Service, over a period spanning from
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: at least 1976 to 2018, apparently police officers are taught
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: to have arrested indigenous people in Canada, usually males, for
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: supposed drunkenness and or disorderly behavior, but sometimes without any cause.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: The officers would then allegedly drive them to the outskirts
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: of the city at night and abandon them in sub-zero temperatures.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: some of the victims of such police brutality would end
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: up dying. So this is where the starlight tour kind
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: of comes from this saying from, uh, Canadian, I would
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: say by the sound of it, racist cops, you know,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: you just have to say it at this point, this
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: is how it's sounding. So apparently, um, These two guys,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: you know, were supposed to take Mr. Birmingham on this
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: alleged Starlight tour. But when they got to the location,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: apparently Everett Lohr claims that Bellinger now ordered him to
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: shoot Mr. Birmingham. Everett refused and they were all wrestling
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: over the gun and it accidentally discharged and struck Mr.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Birmingham in the face. Both men ultimately pleaded guilty to
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: the murder. And they were sentenced to seven years in prison.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Sounds like a pretty small sentence.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, only seven years.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: It sounds like a small sentence. The two men actually
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: lived together, Everett, Laura, and George Bellinger. George Bellinger, let's remember,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: is an acquaintance of Andrea in some fashion. We don't
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: know exactly how. And the two of them lived less
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: than three miles from the parking lot where Andrea's car
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: was found. Both cases took place just nine months apart
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: from each other. However, the consistency seemed to end there.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: And in 1983, police stated that George Bellinger wasn't being
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: looked at as a suspect in Andrea's case. But it's
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: definitely worth mentioning him.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Definitely, yeah. He seems a bit too close to Andre,
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: even if they're just acquaintances. Because of how the craziness was.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: So this is interesting. What to me stands out a
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: little bit is that I think that in the case
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: of George Birmingham, George Birmingham's murder, to me it seems
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: like we don't really know the real story of what
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: took place.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Because allegedly, George Birmingham steals 10 bucks from Bellinger's girlfriend's purse,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: and then Everett points a gun at him. But then
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: when they go to the location, now Bellinger says, shoot him.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: And then Everett is like, no, no, I don't want
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: to shoot him. They fight over the gun, and it accidentally...
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: blasts Mr. Bellinger in the face.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Why was Mr. Bellinger... Oh, no, not Bellinger.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Birmingham.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Birmingham still there in the first place. I would have
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: ran off.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe he was.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Tied up. Maybe he was... Maybe he wasn't capable of
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: running away.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: At that point. How crazy coincidence is it?
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: But to me, it just sounds like... How can they
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: be tussling over a gun and it accidentally shoots... Him
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: in the face.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what a crazy coincidence, right?
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: It just sounds like.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: A made-up story.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know. I shouldn't be commentating too
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: much about it, but it just seems like.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Too good to be true.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Like, it could... Like, to me, it looks like it
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: could have been something else.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Because the thing is, if he was shot, like, let's
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: say on the leg, or on the arm, or in
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: the chest, or something, it's more believable than... They were
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: fighting for a gun. It went off and... hit straight
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: to his face.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: I wonder if it's possible that they didn't, in fact,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: take him to the wooded location and killed him execution
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: style and made up a story in order to... Reduce
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: the sentence. Yeah, reduce the sentence.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: I could see that happening.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Is this a real possibility?
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: It could be.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: In Mr. Birmingham's case.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: It could be. No?
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And now, what do you think about this being
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: somehow related to Andrea? Let's quickly recap. Andrea is reporting
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: that she feels sick on Friday afternoon. Her car is
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: being seen by an anonymous man outside. 30 hours later
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: in a grocery parking lot, when police show up, only
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: her purse is in the car and she's never seen again.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Do you think that somehow Bellinger and Everett lore can
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: these two guys who lived less than three miles away
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: from the parking lot, and at this point, they had
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: already committed the murder of Mr. Burbingham for nine months.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: If they committed a murder like this execution style, I
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: think it is at least... It should be possible that
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: they are crazy murdering psychopaths that potentially murdered even before that.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, they killed a guy. They murdered someone over
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: 10 bucks. So... These are some crazy violent individuals.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, $ 10 back in the day wasn't $ 10, but still,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: it's such a small amount to take someone's life.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, it doesn't make sense. So over $ 10, they killed
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: the guy. And why does Bellinger... Why does Andrea know Bellinger?
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Bellinger is a crazy psycho killer by the sound of it.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Anything, they could have met somewhere, maybe went to the
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: same school. It's not as if they had a very
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: close relationship. It's just an acquaintance.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: But it was close enough that police talked to Bellinger.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Why would police go talk to Bellinger regarding Andrea's case?
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe they were just being thorough.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: So there has to be some sort of something connecting
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Bellinger and Andrea.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Could be. Could be.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: And Bellinger and Everett lived less than three miles away.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: I just think it's a bit too much of a
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: coincidence for them to be involved in Andrea's case. Mainly
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: because it was a random day when Andrea was feeling
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: bad and she went back home or allegedly was on
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: her way home on a random hour of that random day,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: slumped over a car at the random parking lot and
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden... They both were there. Just a
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: bit too random for me.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: I would probably guess that if Bellinger was involved in
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Andreas' case, I don't think it would be like that.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: I would think that maybe... They were meeting? Bellinger, I
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: think maybe... To be honest, at the moment, as I'm
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: thinking about it, I don't... think that or or actually
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: or is it possible that Bellinger is the anonymous man
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: making the phone call now this is something.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: Why would he dare it was a random parking lot.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Oh in such case I don't think Andrea is in
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: the car. To begin with. If Bellinger is an anonymous
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: phone caller, then I don't think Andrea is in the car.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Let's be real.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: You meant in the way she met up with him?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: No, I think Andrea is gone. By the time he's
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: calling police... No, I meant.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Why did he meet her in the first place in
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: this scenario?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Meet her i don't think he would be meeting her
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: if he is the anonymous caller i think he had
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: already in one way shape or form being responsible or
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: knew of andrea's murder and knew of andrea's car being
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: parked in the wind dixie parking lot and he just
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: called the cops i'm not.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Gonna lie that anonymous caller not stepping forward it's a
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: bit odd it's a bit odd like If he did
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: step up, maybe he was just scared, this anonymous caller,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: that he would be held responsible. Could be also a
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: completely innocent person who just got spooked out that they
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: couldn't find her. Maybe he'll get investigated more. He was
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: the last person who's seen her. Maybe the police would
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: think he did it. I could see it happening, right?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: The anonymous man.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: He is very suspicious right now would he would he
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: think he would be suspicious yeah yeah he would think
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: he's looking suspicious he could be.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: A completely suspicious person or he could also be like
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: just an innocent person like okay i'm very scared right now.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: I went on reddit And I found someone suggesting a
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: very interesting explanation why anonymous man doesn't come forward. It
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: could be that there is a warrant for his arrest
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't want to interact with police. He just
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: reports something as a good Samaritan, but he then doesn't
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: want to be identified.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: I could see that. I could see that happening.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Because it feels like in America, lots of people have
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: these warrants for your arrest. It's so crazy. Like people
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: just legit vigilantes or I don't know how to describe them.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: They sue each other.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: No, no. Like people just like, there's a warrant for
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: my arrest and I'm just on the run. I feel
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: like there's a bunch of, not a bunch of, but
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: I feel like in America, there's people like actually on
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: the run. The police are searching. And that's so interesting.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: That's very interesting.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: And then you have the bounty hunters. It's a real
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: profession in America. You go, you... Do.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: We have them here?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: No, we don't have bounty hunters here.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: In Europe?
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. Right? I don't think so.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Never heard of them outside of.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: It's so interesting for me. Bounty hunters. That's so.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: That's interesting, man.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: That's bizarre. Bizarre.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: And interesting no i don't want to say anything bad
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: about it i mean if it works it works.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: No i find it kind of crazy but in a
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: good way like okay that that's i don't.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Have any comment on it because i just don't know
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: what to think of it but it's.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Interesting it's very interesting um yeah going back to the case.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Going back to case so i could.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: See that caller being either held accountable but i could
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: also see him being innocent and now he's gonna be
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: held accountable no But I do not think it's... Who's
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: that guy again?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Bellinger? Bellinger.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: I don't see him being that. It just feels like
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: too much of a coincidence. But it could be a case.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: It could be a possibility.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Why would Bellinger, who already feels like he got away
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: with killing a guy over 10 bucks, try to put
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: himself in more risk by calling police on his own
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: crime in Andrea's case?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But I could see how he could be connected
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: to Andrea in a way that... Is there a possibility
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Andrea owes him money?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: It is a possibility because we don't know anything about
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Andrea's background.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: We have no idea.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Because if this guy could kill someone for 10 bucks,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: then he could do it again.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like this guy just... I wouldn't rule
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: out that Bellinger has killed people. And by the time
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: they connected Mr. Birmingham's murder to him, he was already
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: in county jail. So this was a criminal. He was
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: a criminal, and Andrea knew a criminal to the point
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: where their connection was obvious enough for police to start
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: investigating Bellinger. I feel like there's some sort of a hidden...
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: Because why would Andrea know this... absolute psycho killer, potential
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: absolute psycho killer, Bellinger.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: Could also be just a random encounter, you know? Could
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: be just they went to the same school or something.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: No, they didn't. He's 36. Oh, crap.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Okay. Maybe they met at work.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: This guy doesn't work. Bellinger doesn't have a job. Let's
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: be real.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: She worked as a secretary for a rehab center. Maybe there.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: That could be an angle. That's an angle. That's a
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: real angle.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: So generally, I was thinking about the theories in this case, right?
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: So I think there are several theories that And I
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: would say these are the main theories that I have.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: I kind of wrote down some theory notes for me.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Give me a second. I kind of want to quickly
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: go over this. There are several theories that try to
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: explain what happened to Andrea Allen. Let's remember that Andrea
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: was last seen on Friday afternoon when she left work
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: and she was reported to have been slumped over in
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: her car the following evening. What happened between the time
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: she left work and the anonymous man called could she
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: have been at the parking lot for more than 24
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: hours or did she make it back home on friday
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: after she left work and something happened to her on
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: saturday we don't really know what could make a person
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: slump over the wheel like that we also don't really.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Know i read some reddit comments that she could have
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: been drugged she.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Would have been drugged okay.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: But i could also see it being having a high
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: fever and driving back home, you had high fevers before.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: You know how bad it could get, right? So could
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: you see yourself being slumped over in the car when you're,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: let's say, having that peak high fever and you're just
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: trying to survive back home? Yes.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Not for an extended period.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not for an extended period, of course.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I'm trying to get to a
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: comfortable place.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. So one theory suggests that Andrea
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: really became sick at work and managed to wander off
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: during the brief time period before police got to her
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: car and she may have gotten into an accident such
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: as falling into a body of water, then drowning and
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: her body never being found or resurfacing. However, the timeline,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, doesn't really add up. If Andrea drove
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: to the parking lot and was sick for more than
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: 24 hours, How unlucky would she be to leave her
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: car and end up dying within the several minute period
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: that it took police to arrive at her car? I
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: kind of rule out this idea that she was sick
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: and she went to the parking lot. She was sick
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: there for like 30 hours in the parking lot. And
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: then she got out of the car and passed away
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: in literally the... several minutes that the police needed to
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: get to her. It doesn't make sense.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. And the police would have had her.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I don't think it makes sense. Foul play is
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: another theory in Andrea's case. An opportunistic predator could have
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: recognized that Andrea was in a vulnerable state and then
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: they took advantage of the situation. But the predator would
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: have had to commit the crime in the few minutes
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: that it took the police to arrive again. Doesn't make sense.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: It makes more sense to me than the first one.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: To me, it doesn't make sense. Because it's like, it
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: literally took only a couple of minutes to.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: But I could see this predator having a car. And
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Andrea was a petite woman. She was, what, five? Five feet?
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: And if she was there in the parking lot, slumped
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: over for hours, someone would have noticed her. Maybe took advantage.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: I would like to see... If there were fingerprints on
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: the outside, that would be good to see, right? If
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: there were someone else's fingerprints on the handle, door handle
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: on the outside. Because I could see her being easy
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: to carry over someone's car, as brutal as that sounds.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: And then a few minutes after, the police arrived, but
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: the car was already driven off.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: That's a good point about the fingerprints. Another theory speculates
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: that maybe Andrea was drugged by someone at work and
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: then followed with a culprit getting very lucky and committing
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: a crime before policing. I don't really feel like that's
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: the case because if she was drugged at work, I
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: think when you go online in this case, a lot
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: of people are actually confusing the fact that her body,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: or sorry, her car was actually found the next day.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: Some people are thinking that it's the same day It
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: was actually the next day. So don't think someone dragged
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: her at work and followed her and waited for 30 hours.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: Why even let her out of work? Like within the
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: area of work, I meant.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: No. So this is where things get interesting for me.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Another theory that is widely discussed is that Andrea was
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: never in the car to begin with and that the
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: anonymous caller was involved. This man could have known more
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: about what happened or could have even been involved personally
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: in Andrea's case. The caller is the only person to
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: have allegedly seen Andrea. No one else reported her in
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: that car. Maybe it's possible that Andrea's car was actually
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: at the parking lot since Friday and Andrea never was
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: in it, slumped over the wheels. the caller could have
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: tried to throw off the timeline. In addition, the caller
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: never came forward and he did not wait for police
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: to come and check on Andrea. The caller just made
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: a call to police and then drove away and never
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: came forward to police later to provide more information. If
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: the caller had just stayed with Andrea until police arrived,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Andrea would probably be alive and we would know more.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: If she wasn't, then we would know more about the case.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: But the caller just vanished. So I was obviously thinking,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: for me, I'm not going to lie, the anonymous caller,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: the more I'm thinking about it, the more it feels
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: like he is responsible. However, I went on Reddit and
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: there was a very good comment that kind of goes
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: in a different direction that says that the caller is
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: not responsible. So this is what the comment is saying.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know who commented because this is a comment
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: from nine years ago and the username has already been deleted. Okay.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: But this person is saying this. I'm not saying it's
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: impossible or anything, but it's a little bit difficult for
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: me to believe that the caller was involved in her disappearance.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: It's possible that he wanted to create a false timeline
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: for the police, but if you're trying not to get caught,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: wouldn't it make more sense to not make the call
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: at all If you don't make the call, it probably
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: takes at least another 10 plus hours before she even
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: gets reported missing. And at that point, the police have
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: an even larger possible time frame for her to have
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: been kidnapped. 3 p.m. until whenever she doesn't show up
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: for work and gets reported missing as opposite to something
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: between 3 p.m. and 11 p.m., whatever. That being said,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: it's also a little weird that that he reported seeing
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: her slumped over in the parking lot twice. I guess
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: it's possible that he was a customer who saw her
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: there when he arrived, and she was still there 30
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: minutes or so later when he left. But other than that,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: I can't really imagine anyone other than an employee who
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: would go to a grocery store twice in the same
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: day within a few hours of each other. Maybe he
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: realized that he forgot milk or something when he got
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: home and went back I don't think the phone call
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: is necessarily the most suspicious thing in the world, though.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: I might do the same thing in the caller situation.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Slumped over the steering wheel, it's a pretty unusual position
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: to be in. And the grocery store parking lot is
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: a pretty unusual place to be stopped like that, especially
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: for an extended period of time. probably wouldn't want to
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: get too personally involved in something like that but if
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: there was reason to believe that someone might not be
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: in the best shape and maybe needs help i'd consider
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: calling the police or telling a manager at the store
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: or something so basically this person is saying that why
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: if you're responsible why call that's true i agree with
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: that why call.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah I never really considered it, but yeah, why call?
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: My gut feeling is telling me that it could be
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: someone who maybe knew that something happened to Andrea, but
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: they maybe weren't 100% responsible. They weren't cold-blooded killer. And
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: they kind of just didn't know what to do. And
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: they were panicking. But they knew more. And they called police.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: For me, I'm going with the innocent one. Mainly because
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: I could see myself doing it as well. For example,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: we're at the grocery store.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: The caller is innocent? Yes. But, okay, please tell me why.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: So, for example, we're in the grocery store. And let's
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: say it's 3 p.m. or maybe 4. And then we saw...
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: person slumped in the car we would notice that it's
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: weird right it's weird but we wouldn't like we wouldn't
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: we wouldn't think much of it's like okay that's pretty
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: weird odd but if for example we come back to
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: the grocery store at 8 p.m and that person still
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: slumped on that car we like do that person has
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: been there since 3 a.m are they dead i could
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: see myself going to the security person and say i
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: went there i went i went here earlier and there
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: was a lady slumped there and she still slumped i
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: wouldn't call the police though i would just tell someone in.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: Security but this guy called police.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: Could also be, you know, I could also see why,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: For me, I don't, my gut feeling is telling me
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: that the caller is connected. You know why? Because I
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: don't think that Andrea managed within minutes to climb out
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: that car and just disappear forever.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: Do you think that caller... there's a possibility that that
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: caller abducted Andrea and then when she was already abducted,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: called the police to create some diversion.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: I think that's a possibility. I think it could be
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: a situation where maybe this wasn't an extreme seasoned criminal.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: It was a person committing a crime like this for
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: the first time or maybe like Maybe the first time.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe the first time. And they were going through different emotions.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: Guilt, fear.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: And somehow they just end up calling. Because the only
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: reason why I think the caller is involved, to me
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: it seems like, and I could be wrong obviously, but
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: it seems to me that it's more likely that the
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: caller knows more than Andrea magically disappearing within minutes. She's
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: already there slumped over for some time.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: For hours in the night.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. For some odd reason, she disappeared. What are the
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: chances that she disappears like that?
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: I would say there were more.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: I.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: Would say there's a huge possibility that she could have
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: disappeared within those hours rather than in the minutes.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Minutes just feel a bit
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: too tight for it to just disappear like that. No trace.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. I think at this stage,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: probably a good time to wrap up the case.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: This one's really tough.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Everything else would be just pure speculation. I think we
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: would like to ask our audience, what do you guys think?
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: Do you have any other possibilities that we missed? Or
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: what do you think about... Do you guys think that
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: the caller is involved in this case? Or do you
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: think that there is some other explanation? Also, maybe you
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: guys know some more details about this case. We would
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: be very interested to know from you guys. And as always,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: we're going to be here talking to you soon. Until then,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: please stay safe. And yeah, take care, guys.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: And thank you very much for the commenters in every
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: single episode. It's kind of crazy because remember Ray Rivera's case?
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: I was reading some comments about it and yeah, our
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: audience made very nice points. In Ray's case? Yeah.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: What were they saying? Do you remember?
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was this one comment. I'm really sorry, but
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: I forgot who commented it. But that person commented that
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: the injuries Ray had is similar to a hit and run.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: Is that comment familiar?
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah, I never
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: really considered it, but it does. Like the way the
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: shins were broken, the injuries.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: That's fascinating. How did I miss that comment?
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: Right? I'm going to have to point it out to
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: you later on. Yeah. But thank you very much for
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: all our commenters and all of the listeners. We really
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. And we can't wait to talk to you
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: once again.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, guys. Thank you very much. Take care.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: Take care.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: Bye-bye.