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Episode 51 Part II feat. The Brushback Crew - The Battle of the NL Central, competitiveness of the MLB, Managerial Firings · Sports Avenue Twisted Podcast

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The next question, since you guys both predicted this team to
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win their division with the end of central and the battle that's
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going on right now with the Brewers and the and the Cubs and
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the Brewers have just been this amazing team almost, you know,
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pretty much right there with what the Blue Jays are doing
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this year. They went on this amazing run
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and now you know they're they've caught up to the Cubs.
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So what are your guys thoughts on on that division?
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And and then you have the Reds who are just 6 1/2 behind those
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teams. So they could make their way in
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the mix if if things you know, go their way.
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So what are your guys thoughts on what's going on in that
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division between the Cubs and the Brewers?
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I think it's going to be so many trades.
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I mean, they're all, they're both of them.
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I mean, I don't think they're going to give anybody away.
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If they're going to give anybody away, it's going to be the minor
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leagues, but it's going to be some unusual faces and either in
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Milwaukee or the Cubs. That's all I'm saying.
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I don't think there's going to be a lot though.
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It's. Going to be like one or one or
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two. You'd be like.
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There's going to be, there's going to be like one or two.
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There's going to, I think there's going to be one small,
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like the Brewers always do, small ones.
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They'll do one small one and one big one.
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That's what will happen. With getting Suarez, man, I
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don't know, I don't like. Scores there.
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I don't like swords. There well they they 1/3 baseman
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is is kind of a hole for them so.
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It is, but I don't. I just don't like the swing and
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miss as far as there. No, I get that too.
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I get that. But he's.
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In the hitter environment, he's going to be in the hitter
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environment. That that ballpark is such a
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hitter's ball. No, 100% that.
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That's a hitter's environment. I'm just saying with the, with
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their hitting philosophy and things there in that lineup that
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they have there, I don't know necessarily, 'cause I mean, they
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have Royce already. I mean they have Hoskins
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already. And like for me, I feel like
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Hoskins has, he doesn't seem like he has the last will he
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miss? But to me, I feel like he has
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the last will he miss, You know what I mean?
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So you can't. I feel like you can't have both
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of them in the sign up at the same time all the time.
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You know what I mean? That that takes, that takes,
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that takes away from what they're trying to do and what
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how they've been winning games and how the Cubs have been
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winning games too. You see what I mean?
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Because Suarez, as hot as he is right now, he goes through
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colder spells than as hot as he is.
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He does and so some team will overpay for him.
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I think 100. Percent, yeah.
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I just don't think it should. I being a former Brewer, I don't
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think it should be the Brewers, yeah.
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You know, being a. Former Cub being a former cubby,
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I would prefer it not be the Cubbies either, but I would
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prefer the Brewers over the Cubbies in that.
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I think. I think the Cubs are a little
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bit more of a dire need because Jed Hoyer's job is on the line
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and you know that with Tucker being a free agent after this
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year. Like how, how much are they
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willing to go for it? That to me is a bigger question
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because the Cubs led the division throughout the year to
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the majority part and now the Brewers have taken over the last
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week and 1/2 right didn't. They do this last year too.
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They did, but, you know, it's so funny.
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It's so funny that it's so funny that the Cubs missed the
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playoffs. But I'm curious to see how that
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division is because the Reds are also are a hot team, too.
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They're starting to play well. Pitching, though, the Reds have.
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They do. That's what people sleep about.
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You're. You're not.
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Wrong. And that's why I predicted the
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Reds to win it. But I mean, they still have
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bullpen issues and I'm and they want to buy right and rightfully
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so. I mean, they're right there in
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the picture too for the for the playoff race.
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But I think with Milwaukee, like you said, think about this for
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one second. No Devin Williams, no William
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Thomas, no Corbin Birds. Brandon Woodruff only came back
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not too long ago and they the beat still goes on.
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They just they just do it like it's so insane.
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Like if you look at the way the pitching is formed, like NR
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Ureba I think came from the Angels.
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Trevor, was it Trevor McGill. Trevor McGill, he came from the
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Twins. Like they've made these guys
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into legit high leverage bullpen guys.
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They just do it. Like Matt Arnold, the GM is such
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a good GM. I know David Stearns has been
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there for so many years, but Matt Arnold still keeps doing
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these things. Like their depth, their pitching
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depth is so strong. I think they have the best
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rotation of baseball Milwaukee in my opinion, especially when
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they call. Them.
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When they call them Mesorowski. Mesorowski.
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Started. I talked to for three years and
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he is so good, man. He is electric.
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The only thing is like he needs to be healthy.
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That's always, always be a thing for pitchers and so.
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I think he'll be a guy that's probably gonna go super long too
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because he is so high velocity, high Max effort like that.
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He's A5 and Dive and they need to go get hater too.
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He's a 5 and dive man. Well, I think I think of the
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Brewers, I mean, again, that's credit to their pitching, their
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pitching staff, but they're pitching coaches because they
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use those guys. Me being there and knowing the
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pitching coaches that are still there and talking to them last
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year, like they use their guys and get the best out of them and
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get them to buy into the things that were kind of like I said
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before with the Dodgers and how they transform guys.
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Every time they go over there, no matter who they are, they can
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be terrible one place and then all of a sudden come over to the
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Dodgers and they're good to get. You know, you see it with I
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think the Cubs are doing that kind of a little bit now, you
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know, Braziers back to being, you know, where he needs to be
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again out of nowhere. So you know, they if you have a
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guy that's good at that, then it doesn't matter is the stuffs
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there. They can figure out how to make
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those guys be bigly capable If you know, they're confident
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enough in themselves to go out there and get out realistically.
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But you take guys with good stuff, put them in the right
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situations, and if they can do the job, then the job gets done.
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You just hope they can. Yeah, it's.
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True, right, But. Who?
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Who would the Cubs go after this?
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They need starting pitching Justice Steele in coming back
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this year. Tie on's hurt.
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Unless they they definitely need starting pitching for.
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Sure they do. Who?
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Who do you think they go get to? To who?
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Do they go get or who should they like?
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I think I mean if they can, if they can find a way to get.
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I feel like if they can find a way to get Joe, if they can get
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Joe Ryan, and if they can find a way to get Sandy Alcantara,
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that'd be fucking awesome. They can get both of those.
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If they find a way to pull those off, that would be that would be
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it. Maybe a Mitch Keller.
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Maybe. Oh, in division?
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In division. That's so much.
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Thing in division. I could see them getting tosh
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too. I mean, I don't think, I don't,
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I don't think Joe Ryan gets traded that that's my personal
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opinion. I don't think he does.
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Either I don't think he gets moved.
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But I think they should because Joe's just going to get more
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expensive for the twins too, and they're ultimately not going to
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get as much as they want to if they keep leaving them like the
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way they is. Again, like I said, and this is
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no discredit to Joe, but again, it's the big leagues, but like
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if you have good runs for 3-4 years, it's tough to do it for
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5-6 years regardless. Like those are just like the
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great, great ones that just have stuff, disciplined talent and
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everything else. Like if you can get a Hall for
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Joe right now with how he's pitching, yeah, then get a haul
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for them, then you're you're out of this and then you can
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rebuild. And like they think that they
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have the pitching, you know, the pitching prospects to cover for
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Joe with David Festa and that being those guys and Simeon
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Woods Richardson and those guys that were there, then go ahead
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and do it. You see what I'm saying?
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Yeah, because Joe, they don't technically.
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I mean, Joe's the number one now, but last year Joe's the
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number 2 and #3 most, most of the year.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Because you had Pablo and Bailey was throwing well, Joe was
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throwing well. We had everybody.
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So if you can have Joe be a 234 guy and go to a playoff team or
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go to another team that might need him or something like that
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and get a haul back for him, why not?
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That's that's the way I'm looking at it.
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Well, it's it's it's interesting because because with Pablo Lopez
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not playing right now because he's injured, he won't be back
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till I think what August somewhere and he won't.
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I mean, he might be off off offseason move, but like you
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said, Joe Ryan's peak is at is at its all time high and he has
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two years of control, I believe after this year.
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So, so the the opportunity three playoff races and you want it,
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you want to maximize those, right?
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And you want to garnish those opportunities because you don't
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know what's going to happen next year.
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Like, like you even said last year, they were right there in
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the race and they collapsed in the end of the season and missed
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the playoffs all together. Like can they afford to do
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something? I don't think so, especially
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with jobs on the line right in the front office.
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So I can see that if and and another guy that's been thrown.
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Out there recently which? Actually, I don't know if it
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surprised me as Mackenzie Gore. That's another name that's been
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throughout there recently, like I know the Cubs have.
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Been another guy I don't think gets traded either but his name
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I don't. See that?
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Because he's a part of that core over there with a lot.
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Of people want to throw his name out there, but I just I have, I
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don't see him getting moved and that's like blows their socks
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off. Yeah, I don't see them getting
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you know who I think the Cubs could get.
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That would make a lot of sense. I was just looking, looking at
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that they did get Charlie Morton that we were just talking about
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earlier. Yeah.
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If they got Charlie in that division of veteran presents to
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go on, that staff has a lot of playoff experience.
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That's World Series experience. You know what I mean?
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You put them in that staff and you somehow look up, like I
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said, you get 2. If you can find a way to get 2
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starters like I said, like if they could get Joe and Sandy or
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say you get Charlie and Joe or Charlie and Sandy or Charlie and
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say Seth, I'd even take Seth, take Charlie and.
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Just signed Just signed a a extension.
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Two year extension, yeah. So I'm saying so you can take
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Charlie, there's again now you have two veterans on that step.
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You see what I mean? Yeah.
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And the only reason I think that's I think that helps with
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staff out and having set there for two years isn't a bad thing
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to have a veteran presence there for two years after this year to
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continue winning and continue showing the younger guys how to
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get better. And then again, you have a bad
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year. If Seth or the team has a bad
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year next year, then you can unload them again.
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It's true. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, what about Merrill Kelly? There's another.
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Merrill Kelly's been another. Hobby what makes sense?
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Yeah. For a lot of teams, I.
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Think Merrill. Yeah, Merrill makes a lot of
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sense for a lot of teams. But my question for that is,
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what do the Diamondbacks really do after what they did last
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year, you know, with getting Corbin?
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Do they really want to trade from that, from their pitching?
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I can see why they would want to, but their pitching's what
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pretty much got them to the got them to the dance, you know what
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I mean? And Merrill's a huge part of
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that. When you talk about fan bases,
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to a certain degree, I don't think the Dynamics fan base
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would care all that much, but Merrill's been holding that
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pitching staff down for the past like 4 years with Zach being in
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and out obviously. And gallons having this bad
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season this year I which I mean his value right now.
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I don't know what they get for him, but being a rental and all,
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but I mean that that's that's why I think I could see them
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trading Merrill Kelly because I mean Zach out what's Zach Gowen
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going to bring back on the market this year?
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And I got he's a pitcher. I mean, he's he's got a track
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record, but I mean, I think his. Track record speaks a lot,
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though. I think his track record speaks
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and again, it's one of those things with Zach and kind of
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these guys, you look at Zach in the year he's had and just the
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team he's been on all year, you know what I mean?
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Like those things you. Gamble on them though if you're
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100%. Like you look at Zach's track
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record if you would. Get the track record going into
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the playoffs, you would just gamble on the fact that he's
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he's having in this terrible season.
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And yeah, I don't know, man. I think pitching's one of those
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things where, like the talent, his stuff hasn't really declined
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that much. I think it's just you put him in
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the right situation, he goes back to being that Galen that
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it. Was and whatnot.
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Exactly like I was watching him throw today, like he's still in
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the 4th inning and he's blowing 96 on the outer edge.
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That could tell. Like he's blowing 96 on the
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outer edge against the Pirates to I forgot who it was, but you
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know, he still has the stuff. I think it's just the pic
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selection and him probably just like, OK, we're kind of out of
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it. Like I can work on some stuff
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here and there more. I can do these things instead of
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being kind of locked in and dialed in.
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Because you look at the numbers that he's put up when it's
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either been him going for arbitration, them being in the
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playoffs, etcetera, etcetera. Like I said, you look at the
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numbers he put up when they went to the World Series, like.
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Yeah, I mean, definitely I would want Zach Gowen for like, you
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know, if we were going to resign him and work towards next year.
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I'm just worried about going into the playoffs and you know,
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what if I guess it's a gamble. Every treats a gamble, but but I
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I do agree with you on the fact of his talent speaking for
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itself. I mean, I mean, I guess you just
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got a trust in your own pitching coaches and pitching staff to to
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figure it out and get them right, I guess.
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But exactly, I agree with you there on that.
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OK, so, so the next question is I want to talk about the the
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MLB, the season as a whole. We thought that a lot of lot of
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teams or players would were shifted to the NL and thinking
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that NL would be the most dominant league.
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But it doesn't look like that's the case.
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It's actually probably more wide open than I witnessed in a long
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time. I don't know how you guys feel
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about this, but like, how do you look at the season?
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Because right now as it sends, if you look at the standings
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right now, it's like the Jays have the best record and then
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it's a whole bunch of NL teams and Dodgers are like 4th or 5th.
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We would think the Dodgers would be the team that would run away
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with everything, but they they look like a flawed team this
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year. Like how do you look at it?
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The season goes. You want me to start here?
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I'll let you start. I mean, I mean, obviously
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there's no difference now because the way that the way
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that the the league is set up now with the DH and stuff like
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that. But I, I just kind of look at it
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as I mean, for sure is wide open.
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But I mean, I what I like about the National League is that now
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you're getting teams that are competing like, you know, the
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Cubs were were not there last year.
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Like, you know, I'm saying now you got the new Giants in the in
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the east is the Philly and the Mets.
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You know, I'm saying so I think I and you get a lot of guys
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changing, changing, changing leagues too.
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So I mean changing, well, I would say leagues, but you know,
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going from one one side of the game to the other, like you
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know, I'm saying so I I think it it definitely is wide open.
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I mean, you think a lot of teams is not out there competing.
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You know, there's, there's a bunch of teams I'm looking at
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right now. There are still over 500.
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So I I think there's a lot is way wide open and, and anything
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can happen. You know, I'm saying, I mean the
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even the Marlins, like you think of the Marlins, you're thinking
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like, oh, well, it's the Marlins, but they're only four
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games under 500. So I think it's wide open, bro.
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Yeah. No, I mean, I I agree.
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I think it's wide open. You look at just like I'm
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looking at the wild card standings now and how many teams
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are within six games, Like I mean Big 12 games out right now.
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I think that you can make a run again, teams getting out.
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We were talking about earlier the Orioles, like if you go on a
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10 game heater real quick, a 10/12 game heater, you could be
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right back in, you know, either at the top of the wild card in
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the thick of it regardless. But I think that it is wide open
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just because of how the wild card things are set up, how the
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playoffs just set up. And then we, I think we said it
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before, if you can just get in, everything changes anyway.
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So the amount of teams that can get in and how many teams get in
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and how they play and how each division can have so many teams
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get into and how you play everybody all the time, it makes
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it more wide open. Because, I mean, the only teams
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I think that are truly out of it right now might be Colorado, the
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White Sox and Athletics. Yeah, yeah, those might be the
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only teams. And even the A's are not.
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They're only. Yeah, yeah.
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But the A's are only 11 games out.
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And yeah, the Nationals might be out of it, too.
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But even if you look at the Nationals, the Nationals are
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right there with Pittsburgh and Atlanta.
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So the Nationals could easily get on a heater, like I said
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earlier, and run off and beat Atlanta and Miami, and then all
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of a sudden they're four games out of the wild card behind, you
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know, the Phillies or something crazy like that.
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Yeah, there's a lot of there's like there's there's a lot of
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teams that you wouldn't expect that still like like, like we're
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talking about the Cardinals. Like the we're not even talked
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about the Cardinals yet. The Cardinals are still over
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500. I mean, it's one game over 500,
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but they're still around. 500 and they're three.
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They're gonna get have games out of the wild.
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Card. Yeah, exactly you.
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Know I'm saying so I I think it's definitely wide open.
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I don't know who's gonna go to who.
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I mean, after looking at this right now and the trades, it's
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like, man, we might make as I mean, a Kunas going some I mean
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I Kuna Marzel Zunas going somewhere.
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There's gonna be a lot of guys. There's gonna be a lot of
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relievers being moved. There's gonna be a lot of like,
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there's gonna be some starting pitches being moved around and
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and undesirable places. You know what I'm?
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Saying there's going to be a lot of people going to some bad
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places, yeah. Yeah, and I wouldn't be
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surprised, bro, if you got a guy named Mitch Keller, go to Miami
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like you, it might happen. Bro, I could, you know, I could
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actually like that. But but, but just think about it
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bro. Think about it.
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They're close to 500. Are they going to have a chance?
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Probably not. I mean, I mean, you also get him
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for control, too. So you're looking towards next
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year. I could see him going to the
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Braves, Yeah, something like that.
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Like, you know. People, actually, yeah.
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Yeah, you're looking towards the future, right?
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So yeah, I agree with that man and he's.
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Definitely not going to be they're not, they're not going
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to deal them in division. They're they're definitely not
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going to deal them in division. So like.
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I, I mean, I just brought that up earlier because I thought,
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you know, we see a lot of division trades nowadays.
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So yeah, I know. I mean.
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Unlikely. Sandy's not going to go to the
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Mets, sort of. Or Philly.
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He's not. Absolutely not.
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Absolutely. Not, I mean let it be like,
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right? Miami do something like that.
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We should call them and just be like, hey.
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Was it, was it last year that we saw the the the Red Sox and
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Yankees make a trade at the deadline?
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Yeah, it was like for Dugo or a couple years ago, the offseason,
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yeah, I thought that there was a deadline trade pulled off
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between them two or something. But it was it was something.
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It's so rare, but. Yeah, but I I think I think the
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Reds, the Reds are going to have a big impact on their trade
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trades this year. Like, you know, I agree things
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that are not usual, you know what I'm saying?
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Like, you know, Aronado's probably, I mean, Aronado's
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probably going to stay put now be just because they are over
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500. Like, Nah, we ain't getting rid
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of our big guns now, but you know, you never know.
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I mean, I know O'Neill Cruz from the Pirates is going somewhere,
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you know, I think. The East bank.
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So yeah, I would love I. Don't think the I don't, I don't
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think they really, I mean that little hustle thing that they
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did out there what he did the other day.
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And don't get me wrong, like I I know, I know O'Neill and he's a
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baller broom and but you know, he's been moving.
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Think about he's been moving positions.
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He moved from shortstop to center field.
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He is a little bit more valuable now.
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Is he classified as an infielder now?
20:09
Is he classified as a utility guy?
20:11
Yeah. Like what is he?
20:12
He's a little bit more valuable. He is leading, he's leading.
20:16
He was leading the the National League in stolen bases.
20:19
And we know that he hit the ball harder than freaking, you know,
20:23
a military missile like, you know, I'm saying.
20:25
So it's he's very he's very, he's very, very valuable.
20:31
But what do you do as a pirates though?
20:33
What do you do? Do you get rid of a talent like
20:35
that? That's a good question because
20:40
historically they have pitching. They have pitching.
20:44
Like, I think they're motivated to trade Mitch Keller because
20:48
they want to bring up what's a Hunter with a Hunter Barco and
20:53
what's his name? Bubba Chandler, right?
20:56
Bubba Chandler. Chandler.
20:58
And I'm Harrington. Their system.
21:01
I know that tomorrow, Johnson. I don't know what's going on
21:03
with them. We were talking about tomorrow
21:05
early in the season, and it hasn't really been much.
21:08
I know that Connor Griffin is the best, yeah.
21:14
And there's also rumors that like with Brian Reynolds, like
21:17
is he part of the plans long term?
21:19
Is Brian Hayes part of the plan? They'll.
21:22
They'll get rid of keep Brian before they get rid of Brian for
21:26
sure. Yeah, I I can think that for
21:30
sure just because the in the history, the history of being on
21:35
the shelf a little bit like, you know, I'm saying they're
21:36
probably like, well, we're here. He has got a he do got a $80
21:39
million piece, but you know, I'm saying they're not winning.
21:44
They probably look at it like he is a little bit more movable.
21:47
Like, you know, I'm saying somebody will be able to take
21:49
him because he is. And when he's healthy, he's he's
21:53
a Gold Glove defender and he has a potential of, you know, being
21:57
a a fit for six middle to order guy.
22:00
That's that, you know, he has the potential of doing it.
22:03
But but you're really, that's a $80 million glove 1st.
22:06
That's a glove first. But I mean, he can bang, you
22:09
know, but saying but he's also he's been banged up like, you
22:11
know, I'm saying so. Yeah, it's yeah, it's, you know,
22:19
that with. That's interesting.
22:21
That's an interesting thought. Moving on from O'Neill Cruz.
22:25
I mean the guy has all the talent in the world and like he
22:29
is so good. So I think that they could get a
22:32
haul. For how many years of control
22:33
does he have left on his con? I think he got what, 2?
22:37
Not because he didn't hit arbitration, did he?
22:39
I think he's going to hit arbitration this year, I think.
22:42
This year he still got three years.
22:45
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I mean, he's gonna
22:48
fetch something really good if he gets traded.
22:50
I mean, the power that guy has is stupid, right?
22:53
So I'm. Just trying to look and see
22:54
like, what team will be a fit for him.
22:57
You know, I'm saying, like, what would the Mets be a fit for him?
23:02
Yeah, again, what position? For what?
23:04
For a nail. Yeah, like I'm saying, like
23:07
what? What?
23:08
I mean, you gotta send him. You gotta send him somewhere.
23:13
The Mets. I don't know, the Mets.
23:14
I mean I'm just thinking about like culture wise, like what
23:17
would make him feel comfortable? If he went to New York, if he
23:20
went to New York, he would ball. He would ball.
23:23
Then can can he play shortstop still?
23:26
Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:27
Then what about the Braves, man? The Braves need a shortstop,
23:31
man. Like they keep, You know, there
23:32
were a lot of Braves fans that thought they were gonna trade
23:35
for Boba shut this off season. You know, I I.
23:37
Think I was gonna worry about the Braves.
23:39
I can get a trade now, but I mean.
23:43
I mean, the other name that's been thrown out there is Carlos
23:45
Correa. That name has been ruled.
23:48
Out there too. He got the expense of, really.
23:51
That weird contract, yeah. That's the problem and that
23:55
ownership, and that's the problem.
23:56
That ownership is on a massive financial debt situation, right?
24:01
They're trying to sell that franchise it man for say he's
24:04
going to sell it, but I know that they're trying to get rid
24:07
of Carreras contract because that because bucks and already
24:09
said like he has a no trade clause.
24:12
He ain't going nowhere. So he's staying put where he's
24:14
at. So he can't blame the guy.
24:16
He just started that franchise there.
24:17
He wants to end. It there who will, who will use,
24:20
who will, who will have a $15 million rental?
24:23
While he's under, isn't he under contract for like he has like a
24:26
clause in his contracts. It's stating that if he meets up
24:31
to this certain amount of incentives at bats, games played
24:34
or some sort of like awards or something, then he gets like
24:39
that kind of money or whatever it is.
24:40
It's like it's something similar to Julio Rodriguez, I believe.
24:43
So he signed for a little while, I believe like it was 6,000,006
24:47
years, 200 million and then I think 79 or something.
24:50
There's some sort of like. Incentives, I don't know, I have
24:53
to look into it, but it's something like that.
24:55
But I mean a team that needs a shortstop.
24:58
I mean, the Braves were were linked.
25:01
I heard something about Houston and Korea.
25:03
I don't know if there's any smoke to that to be honest, man.
25:05
So I don't know. There's there's a couple teams
25:08
that would I mean want them, but I don't know how serious the
25:11
Twins are going to be unless the Twins eat up that contract.
25:14
It's something like Arenado like I know Houston was interesting
25:18
Aronado, but they would have to eat that contract, right?
25:20
So that's a big. That's a big doughnut.
25:25
Big old doughnut B Big. Old two years left.
25:29
Yeah, two years left 42,000,000. Yeah, that's a big doughnut.
25:33
That's a big. That's a.
25:34
That's a. That's a whole I think he gonna
25:37
stay for the next year. Yeah, because no, I mean the
25:41
guy's what, 34? So he's not getting any younger
25:44
man like he's. Easier.
25:47
No, I mean, I'm just trying to think here because I know the
25:52
Red Sox got rid of Devers contract.
25:54
That's a big contract. They that that that shocked the
25:57
world that day when that trade happened right with the Devers.
26:01
Absolutely. Yeah, I thought the Devers trade
26:06
would have happened off season because he's signed for what, 8
26:08
more years after this year? So I thought, you know him, and
26:12
it seems like the Red Sox organization and Deborah's were
26:15
in bad terms. There was nothing that could
26:17
fix, right? Like Breslow and Deborah I.
26:21
Still tried to move him in the offseason man.
26:23
I mean honestly like his. I mean, by him getting traded
26:30
with that eight-year, like 8 years left on his deal, it's,
26:34
it's literally just a free agent.
26:36
It's a free agent deal. Since I'm talking about San
26:39
Francisco to Jade, that's your other form of team.
26:41
Like where does San Francisco stand in all this?
26:46
I'm interested to see what they're gonna do because they've
26:49
been holding their own in the NLS all year, all year.
26:53
And, and I don't think they've really made like any moves that
26:58
we thought that I didn't think they were going to be this good.
27:02
Honestly, I, you can tell they're like every, all my
27:05
predictions and stuff. I didn't think they were going
27:06
to be this good. I'm glad that they are and
27:09
surprised me, but I'm interested to see what moves they're going
27:14
to make. I think that they need some
27:16
starting pitching. Yeah.
27:19
Do you, do you trade? Do you trade on Verlander for
27:22
some more starters or what? I don't know, I feel, I feel
27:27
like, I feel I feel like they have they for to be in the NLS
27:30
with the team they have. I feel like they need to make a
27:35
a few moves and I just don't know if they have the capacity
27:39
to do that right now. And I don't know if they have
27:41
the farm system to do it right now.
27:43
Yeah, you know what I mean. They they're calling up Carson,
27:47
Wizen, Hunt, I think he's pitching this week.
27:48
They're top prospect and they got Bryce.
27:52
I don't think those guys get traded and they traded James
27:54
Tibbs the third. Well, that's what I'm saying
27:57
like. Yeah, yeah.
27:58
I don't think they, well, that's what I'm saying, I don't think,
28:01
but you can't rely, it's hard to rely on a guy you just called up
28:04
a rookie to get you, to help get you through September and
28:10
October, you know, and that's. Just tough and.
28:12
Then. And then too, they want.
28:14
To call them up. They can also be a piece to a
28:16
something they're trying to get. But like you said, you're not
28:20
getting rid of your number one pitching prospect like that bro.
28:23
Just especially. Invested a lot in that team this
28:27
year too man. That's what I'm saying.
28:29
That's a lot. Of invest a lot, they're gonna
28:31
do something, but again, the investment in the team is be
28:36
like all those guys they invested.
28:38
That's what I'm saying. So like if they get a if they
28:41
get a piece, it's going to have to be something that's going to
28:43
be beyond this year too, I feel like.
28:45
And in that case, like what do you give up for that, though?
28:48
When again, you're calling up your pitching prospect, you're
28:50
not going to give give you a #1 away.
28:53
So what people do they really have in a trade to give up is
28:57
what I'm trying to get. Like it's what I'm thinking.
28:59
Honestly, if I'm another GM, I have to really like big in their
29:05
farm system. I feel like to get what I want
29:07
to get to give away to help them to a certain degree.
29:10
I don't feel like it's a true win win and any situation that
29:14
they're going to give us, unless it's like I'm taking somebody
29:16
off their big league team. But who are you going to take
29:18
off their big league team that they don't need, that you're
29:20
going to want? Right, that's a good way to
29:25
think about it. Right.
29:26
And The thing is like, you know how you say like with the Padres
29:29
and the Dodgers are always competitive, like Buster Posey
29:32
is a winner. He wants to win.
29:34
That's why they fired far anxiety for a reason, right?
29:37
So it's like they want a winning culture back.
29:40
I think there's a lot of pressure, especially now the way
29:43
the Dodgers are built and Padres are relevant every year like.
29:46
Zach Minassi. And he knows what he's doing,
29:49
too. Yeah, yeah.
29:50
I mean, they're also bringing their old time greats back too.
29:53
So you know, they're bringing, they're bringing their guy.
29:55
I mean, San Sandoval's here right now in this league.
29:58
He'll be over there in that coach just to have it in that
30:00
shooter. Yeah, he probably will.
30:02
Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense.
30:03
The panda, Yeah. They'll bring all the guys back
30:06
that help them win just so they can have that one.
30:08
Like you said, they're bringing winning cultures back and
30:11
they're bringing baseball players back to help baseball
30:13
players be baseball players. It's not just right being an
30:17
analytics guy and just relying on that and not truly knowing
30:21
the game of Major League Baseball, because I get the
30:24
analytics part of it, but people don't understand understand the
30:27
Major League Baseball part of it too, though.
30:29
And I feel like a lot of owners, GM, front office guys, the fact
30:33
that they've never been through the true Major League Baseball
30:36
part of it, they can't understand how things don't
30:41
really correlate to what they're doing.
30:42
Because back in the day when the numbers and everything were
30:46
higher, like Trayvon and all these other people, put the
30:49
numbers in the All Star Games and all these things from like
30:52
the 90s and 2000s, and you see how much drastically the numbers
30:55
are worse now than then. I think back then you literally
30:59
had more baseball people involved in baseball.
31:01
So you're playing good baseball and all the numbers were high
31:04
and you didn't make it in the big leagues if you didn't
31:07
understand that, like if you didn't understand the game truly
31:10
and played the game the right way, correct?
31:13
Yeah, it's like. You know what's so funny about
31:16
that? So I was listening to Stan
31:19
Kasson, one of the executives. I was telling Trayvon affair
31:22
before he came, Jay. And you know, and this is the
31:25
thing, the Dodgers are going through a lot of injuries.
31:27
I think them and the Astros are like 1 and 2 when it comes to
31:30
most injured pitchers. You know, a lot has to do with
31:34
high velocity. These guys like to throw hard
31:36
and spin race, right? And The thing is like that's a
31:40
problem with today's baseball, like command.
31:42
People don't talk about command enough.
31:43
Like you got to pinpoint and choose your picks.
31:46
And it's not always about velocity.
31:48
And, and, and look, I could always relate to Jay because
31:51
Jay's been through this, so he knows what's that like, right.
31:54
So it's like these guys get injured a lot and it's a lot to
31:59
do with the arm, with the arms, the way they use it, the way
32:02
there's their philosophical team, team reasonings they use
32:07
to these pitchers. And if you need pitching depth
32:11
and pitching, you can never have enough pitching.
32:12
That's that, that can't, it doesn't get stated enough,
32:15
right? So I think if you look at the
32:19
markets now too, especially like every team that's fires.
32:23
Are looking for pitching. I mean, I can't think of a team
32:25
that's not right so. No, 100%.
32:29
Everybody's always looking for pitching.
32:31
You're looking for quality pitching.
32:32
You know what I mean? Because what wins championships
32:36
is pitching and defense. I think me and the manager of
32:40
our team, Trayvon knows the manager of our team, he we were
32:44
talking today and yesterday about how like how he would have
32:48
like he would take and trade some of our pitchers for
32:50
hitters. Sometimes I'm like, I would
32:52
never do that. I was like, because I can always
32:54
teach my pitchers how to get your hitters out.
32:56
Like I'm not worried about it. Like that's just the way I feel
32:59
like because again, pitching and defense are going to be good
33:02
hitting any day of the week. And that's how you're going to
33:04
ultimately win championships. So you can find it.
33:08
Easier. Yeah, you're right, bro.
33:09
You're right. Go ahead, Go ahead.
33:10
You're right. No, I mean, that's just for me.
33:12
Like I look at it like I revert back to literally the Dodgers
33:17
and how they played in the World Series last year.
33:19
They're just like, make the Yankees make plays.
33:21
Like their defence is trash, pretty much.
33:23
Like make them make plays. And.
33:26
Like our pitching, we know if we make the plays and our pitching
33:29
what what we have, like we're going to win.
33:31
Like that's what it boils down to for me.
33:34
It's like I tell our guys, I'm like, hey, everything runs
33:37
through the pitchers like we're supposed to have, we're going to
33:40
lead the team. Like if we're pitching well and
33:42
flowing well, then the hitter is going to flow well too because
33:44
things are going the right way and everybody's in a good
33:46
rhythm. But if we're out there taking a
33:48
long time beat, trying to place balls, having long innings and
33:51
stuff like that, the hitters start getting lacks the days of
33:54
cool and start not doing their job either.
33:56
And you can't blame anybody but yourself.
33:58
Absolutely, man. You ain't going to score 10 runs
34:00
that day. Especially being a hitter.
34:02
That's really happening. But you can punch out 10.
34:04
You can have a couple guys that can punch out 10 every other
34:07
day. For sure.
34:10
You know, you know, you if Jay is so funny, you brought up the
34:13
whole Yankee series. Is that if you watch that Jay's
34:16
Yankee series this past week, man, there were so many comical
34:20
errors. It's so flawed like I like.
34:24
The thing is the Jays took advantage because like you said,
34:27
you put whenever you face the Yankees, you put you put the
34:30
ball in play and you you make sure they they earn that right.
34:33
Like they play their defense, like show, show, show you what
34:37
you got kind of thing right. So defense is so important.
34:40
Like in today's baseball too. Like it's like you're not always
34:44
going to head for power, but it's going to be in play.
34:45
It's like, it's like you, you do what you can and you know what?
34:50
It's a. It benefits the pitchers too,
34:52
right? So especially for like flyball
34:54
pitchers, like I'll say the Jays for example, I think they have
34:57
the best defense in baseball. I believe so.
35:00
And that's what's also helping them in so many ways and so many
35:04
situational moments, right? So I think it's important that,
35:07
like you said, pitching and defense can take you far.
35:09
Like offense will win you games, but pitching and defense will
35:13
will win you championships, right?
35:14
So. So I want to ask you guys there
35:20
have been 4 managers fired this season.
35:23
He got Derek Shelton with the Pirates, Bud Black with the
35:27
Rockies and oh sorry 3 Brandon Hyde with the with the Oreos.
35:31
So and that their hirings obviously so, So what are you
35:36
guys thoughts on what those teams do going into the future
35:42
and and the firings that they've made?
35:44
And do you see any other changes within baseball, whether it be
35:49
now or in the offseason with regards to managers?
35:54
You want to go, Jay? Wait, what?
35:58
Didn't Davey Martinez get fired too?
36:00
Oh yes, yes, yes, I forgot Dave. Dave Martinez was the was the
36:05
four. I'm just I'm just saying cuz I
36:10
know pitching coach jobs coming up that might be available.
36:12
Right, I knew. I knew there was 4, I just
36:15
couldn't remember the other. One, no, I think I think what
36:21
they're doing in Pittsburgh, I think who they have is the
36:23
interim. I think me and a couple of
36:25
people have talked about it since their interim coach is
36:28
manager is from Pittsburgh. I think they're just going to
36:31
roll with him and just they've been playing good baseball.
36:34
So I think they're going to keep things the same there.
36:37
I think in Washington, I think they're just going to fully
36:40
clean house. So whoever that they get coming
36:42
in is going to I'm not sure who they're going to get though,
36:46
because that team's getting kind of young.
36:48
I don't know if they're going to be an organization that they
36:52
just got Davey. So you know, he was kind of a
36:55
newer slash players manager at the time.
36:59
I don't know if they're going to go just fully brand new, like
37:04
new like first time manager or if they're going to try to find
37:07
an older veteran manager who knows what they're going to do
37:10
with that. And then the Rockies, like I
37:13
said, the Rockies just keep everything in house anyway.
37:15
So who knows what they're going to do.
37:16
I think they're going to find an old Rockies player possibly and
37:19
just bring him back in there. And I feel like their owner just
37:24
kind of Dick takes everything and just kind of keeps his
37:26
friends there for the most part. And then again, that's no
37:28
disrespect 'cause we can do that.
37:30
But I don't think that's helping the baseball team there.
37:32
So definitely up in the air flipping a coin for the Rockies
37:36
on that one. Let me let me mention a name
37:38
here, since you've mentioned an old Rockies player, Walt Weiss.
37:43
Is it named? Asking Walt there, Yeah, I think
37:46
Walt could change that whole franchise around.
37:48
Honestly, let him go there. Yeah, yeah.
37:50
For. Sure.
37:50
I love Walt. I love Walt.
37:51
He's a great Walter. Me too, I.
37:54
Love Walt for that. I love Walt for that job.
37:57
Yeah, I think you you can for sure slide Walt in there and I'd
38:00
love to see what he does with that.
38:04
I think with Ron being sick in Los Angeles too, I think the
38:08
Angels are obviously going to make another managerial change
38:11
over there. So it's going to be interesting
38:12
to see what happens over there. I think honestly, I don't know
38:16
if the A's are going to make a managerial change, but I'm
38:19
hoping that they make a pitching coach change and I'll be there.
38:22
I'll be over there. Just to let y'all know.
38:30
We got them ready hot Little Caesar's pizzas, bro.
38:34
What about what about Saint Louis?
38:37
You think more mall is going to still be there with the?
38:40
I think it's going to depend on the rest of this year.
38:42
I honestly think if they keep playing the way they're playing
38:45
and they have a chance in the in El Central just or if they make,
38:48
I think if they make the wild card he sticks regardless.
38:52
But I think if they have a chance, if they miss it barely,
38:54
then it'll be an up in the air thing.
38:57
And if they miss it completely, like, and it's just like they
39:00
have a bad, you know, August, September, then he's out.
39:04
But then you do that. The Cardinals are real good
39:07
about staying in house with former Cardinals guys and guys
39:10
that are really like close to their brand of baseball and on
39:14
par with a lot of things they do.
39:15
So I'm interested to see who they would bring in if something
39:19
happened there. But.
39:22
You know, the name that comes in mind for Saint Louis.
39:25
I mean, he's an icon. And he just recently retired, of
39:28
course. And, you know, catchers become
39:30
managers is Yadi and Molina. I mean, that was oh.
39:33
Yeah, 1000%. That guy would make so much
39:36
sense. I mean, he knows that
39:37
organization from day one. I think he retired just not too
39:40
long ago. And so many people are clamoring
39:43
for a guy like him. I mean.
39:45
I think that manager experienced in winner ball, so he's easy
39:48
fit, he's easy fit. That's what I'm saying.
39:50
But do you but for him make him the manager?
39:53
Do you make him something like the bench coach first to slide
39:55
into the manager in a couple of years?
39:56
Question. See what I mean?
39:58
Yeah, I would do that. Bench coach.
40:00
It's a good. Question.
40:01
I mean you. Look at what Houston did with
40:04
Dusty Baker. He was there temporarily until
40:06
Joe Espada became the guy. So maybe because I mean.
40:11
I mean, what's? His name Molina already has
40:15
experience actually said in winter ball.
40:16
So there is something there but like and the culture is already
40:19
there. Like he was always part of that
40:21
Saint Louis. Saint Louis has.
40:22
A different type of culture, man, like it's it's very unique
40:26
if you look at it, they have they always bring a brand of
40:28
winning baseball and like knowing that organization, like
40:32
they find ways to win like in different years, like when you
40:36
look at a team, it says like, oh, this team is not going to
40:38
make the playoffs. They end up winning right?
40:40
They they they they they have winning culture over there and I
40:44
think they won't win the guys. And I think when Kaim Bloom runs
40:47
that team next year, I do think he he might have his own guy
40:52
depending if not then because I know that he's going to take a
40:56
lot of control, right. I think Moziliak's going to
40:58
retire after this year or step down or some sort of role.
41:01
But Kaim Bloom, I think he's the right guy to to run that team.
41:07
So I'm like you said, I'm curious.
41:08
Yeah, with the Angel, with the Angels.
41:10
Do you think you guys, you think that Brendan Hyde could get a
41:15
job back next year in a different team?
41:18
On a different team. Yeah, I.
41:20
Think I think he could. I don't know if he gets another
41:23
managerial job. I think maybe he goes back to
41:25
the bench coach or even possibly going to an organization and
41:29
being a coordinator again, like the overall, the head
41:34
coordinator, VP of player personnel again somewhere and
41:37
then going like having same thing, having a temporary
41:41
manager somewhere. Him going and being in the the
41:43
organization, knowing the players that are coming up and
41:45
coming through, knowing the younger guys, getting familiar
41:49
with them and then becoming the manager like a year or two
41:51
later. I could see him doing that I
41:54
think better than possibly, you know, just going and being a
41:58
manager of another team just because of simple fact.
42:00
Like if you look at the teams that Hyde's been with, he's had
42:03
those guys from young, from young ages, everywhere he's
42:06
gone. Like you look at the world,
42:08
they're all young. When he came there, when he was
42:09
with the Cubs in that organization, for the most part,
42:12
he was the VP of player personnel and coordinator before
42:16
he was there as well. So he knew all the players in
42:18
the system. I think if he's going to be the
42:20
manager somewhere in his managerial style, I think he
42:24
just needs to be somewhere with those guys on a more personal,
42:28
like up close, like younger basis, getting to know those
42:31
guys before he gets them as a manager.
42:34
Because I mean, I feel like if you see it like once guys kind
42:36
of get a little older, his voice doesn't hit the same.
42:40
Yeah, because, because like, like for him, he has this
42:44
different type of energy like you saw and.
42:47
Oh, I know. I know.
42:48
Personally, I know. Personally.
42:50
With the Cubs, yeah, He was with me when the Cubs.
42:52
He was actually little story is that he was the guy who was
42:59
there when I asked for my release from the Cubs in 2013.
43:02
So yeah, he was, he was the head honcho over the Cubs my early
43:08
years at the time, so. OK, that makes.
43:10
Sense I know him a little bit, yeah.
43:11
Yeah, I know, I know, Washington.
43:14
I know Washington's definitely going to look for one.
43:17
I'm curious to see what direction they hold with that
43:20
manager because I don't think Cairo is a guy.
43:21
I know he did some managerial work in Chicago, the White Sox
43:25
last year when Barusa was gone. But I think they they will get a
43:29
whole new guy. I think they got the right GMI
43:31
think so he probably I could see Hyde going there.
43:34
I could see I could see that. I don't know if what black gets
43:36
a job he might be done. I would say because he's I think
43:39
bud. Should I think Bud should just
43:41
go into the front office being a special?
43:43
Assistant to the. Rockies and like a pitching
43:45
development guy or something like that, like he's doing the.
43:47
Rockies now, right? Yeah, I could see.
43:51
I could see Cleveland. But I think I think he'll be, I
43:55
think he'll be staying set with Colorado.
43:57
Like him like again, like they just brought Clint Hurdle back
43:59
again. Yeah, those guys are set in
44:02
Cleveland for the rest of their lives, like doing whatever they
44:04
really want to do with that organization.
44:06
Yeah. Because the two, the two other
44:09
organizations being connected to was Cleveland.
44:12
I think Mark Shapiro was there in Cleveland that time when Bud
44:15
was there and the Angels, right? I think he was a pitchy coach
44:19
for them, I think when they went.
44:20
Yeah, he was there with Social for a while, yeah.
44:22
Yeah, I could see that connection too, because I know
44:24
that. But but I mean, he's he's he's
44:27
one of those last like rare old school managers available,
44:31
right? If you look at it like he would,
44:33
he's been around the league. Yeah, but look at his managerial
44:35
numbers. Yeah, I mean, look at the.
44:38
Team he's been managing for the last like 7-8.
44:41
Nine years he's had, but that's the thing, like if you look at
44:45
the teams he's managed, like he hasn't had success at certain
44:51
places with them long term. And it's not only because I mean
44:55
with Bud in Colorado and I don't know the insurance and outs of
44:59
it, but I feel like he had more pool in Colorado then you know,
45:03
any any other place that he might have been.
45:05
So we can't give, you know, all the hate that cholera has been
45:11
that bad on just the front office to a certain degree to.
45:15
You know, there's, there's another name that I know some
45:18
fans are not happy about. I mean Arizona, Tori Labello, I
45:22
mean he's he's been managing for a while.
45:25
I think the last little while. I think what the last 10 years,
45:28
I would say maybe less, a little bit less, but I don't know.
45:31
Could you see him game fired at at at some point or do you think
45:35
they're going to let him dry? I think, I think they give Tori,
45:38
I think they give him this year again, kind of the same thing
45:40
like snicker where is like it's the wash year after the past
45:43
couple years, they've had a bunch of key injuries,
45:45
especially with Corbin being hurt.
45:47
They let Corbin come back. They see what they kind of have
45:49
next year and then he gets let go.
45:51
Like if they do end up going that route like halfway through
45:54
the year, next year on the All Star break next year.
45:57
And then you get a fresh start with the team in Corbin and all
46:00
those guys that they've extended and see if a new voice can, you
46:03
know, get them back to the World Series to get.
46:06
But I don't see until we're getting fired anytime like this
46:08
year. I don't see that happening this
46:10
year. You have to get you have to give
46:11
the guys. I think the front offices are
46:13
good enough at this point in most markets to give guys grace
46:18
when it's like you've had a few good years and then you kind of
46:20
expected down years. Once you get to like that
46:23
second, third, fourth down year where you're like, all right,
46:26
like what's going on? That's why I revert back to I
46:30
don't think Bud Black's going anywhere because how many down
46:33
years did he have in Colorado? Yeah.
46:34
And they just left them there. You know, they didn't even try
46:37
to make, they didn't even try to make a managerial change.
46:41
Until. Until yeah.
46:44
They just had an ongoing like one year, like where it was just
46:49
like Bud being like, yeah, I'll come back where it's like it
46:52
didn't matter how the team did. Like so you think that doesn't
46:56
rub off realistically on the players too Like it?
47:00
I mean, so, and some of these guys have been touching, like
47:02
Corbin Carroll, like Alec Thomas, like Kento Marte has
47:06
been there for a while, right? So like some of those guys are
47:09
there. And I'm pretty sure like
47:11
Lavella's been, you know, been around their friends, like
47:14
mentor them for so many years. Yeah.
47:17
I mean, it's, I'm just curious to see because like, I know
47:20
there's going to be teams that are contenders going to miss the
47:22
playoffs. And I guess we'll keep an eye on
47:24
that because we're going to see who's going to end up getting
47:27
fired. There will be more firings.
47:29
I don't think they'll we'll see anymore the rest of the year.
47:32
But 4 is a lot during the season, right?
47:35
So that's a lot. I don't, I don't remember that a
47:38
year where there's like that many firings, man.
47:40
And say like one of you guys should be the manager.
47:46
Working on, you know what I mean.
47:47
You work at that resume, How about you travel with your
47:49
management? I can manage, dude.
47:53
My heart too. My heart.
47:54
Well, I'm not I'm not that cut throat man to be like, hey, bro,
47:57
we're going to designate you for the Oh, we're going to release
47:59
your like, I'll probably just leave here.
48:02
Like I don't know. I don't know if I can do it.
48:03
I'm soft like that, though. I can't do it, but I'll tell you
48:05
what I think somebody else can. I can't do that.
48:10
Oh man. Still want to throw manic prices
48:11
man I can do that. Hey, pretty coach, why not,
48:16
right? So I want to, I want to ask
48:18
about the trades. I don't know if you guys got the
48:20
list for the trades just so far. Yeah, I got the list, Yeah.
48:23
I forgot Fetty, Good, good thing you mentioned about him at that
48:26
end. Eric Fetty got traded today,
48:28
right? Fetty and what's that?
48:30
Dane Dunning's the other name to Atlanta too.
48:32
I forgot put those two. What do you think about those
48:35
trades so far? Like, I mean, I think the big
48:37
biggest names are what Josh Naylor and and Ryan McMahon
48:41
maybe Soto too. You could say, well, you could
48:44
say Devers. We already mentioned about
48:46
Devers, but what do you, what do you think about those trades so
48:48
far? I think, I think the Devers
48:52
trade was, you know, that that was, I mean, we just talked
48:55
about it, but I think that was a that was a that was a good trade
48:58
just for the, the relationship standpoint.
49:01
But I mean, you want to get something toxic out of there and
49:03
it and it helped them by having a better a better season right
49:08
now. But I don't think, I mean, I
49:11
mean, Jay, you played against him.
49:12
I I never played against him. Like is he is he a a diverse
49:16
right? Yeah.
49:18
I don't think he's a bad guy where everybody portrayed him to
49:20
be right. Like I guess.
49:22
I don't think he's a bad guy. I think the whole situation kind
49:24
of got spun out of control. Yeah.
49:27
Yeah, I can see it from both sides.
49:28
I don't necessarily agree with it from both sides.
49:31
I don't agree with it from how he handled it to just being just
49:35
how baseball player I am. But again, there's no disrespect
49:39
to him. I'm not going to say that like
49:40
if I was in his boat and I was making that much money and I was
49:44
locked in and who knows what they told him.
49:47
So that's why he acted like that or said the things he did too.
49:50
But no, I mean, from what I've heard, is he the great guy?
49:55
Like he was the leader of that clubhouse for how long?
49:57
You know what I mean? Then there's one bad thing just
49:59
turned into, like I said, it just spiraled out of control.
50:02
It got too much for a lot of people to handle and they had to
50:05
get him out of there. Like they handled it the best
50:07
way they could. And that's obviously the biggest
50:10
and best trade of the season so far.
50:12
Honestly. Like I'm looking at the list of
50:14
all the other ones right now and I don't think any of the other
50:18
ones really moved the needle for anybody.
50:20
So it'll be interesting to see what happens.
50:24
And I also think that that they have a history of letting go bit
50:34
big free agents, not big free agents, but big, big high money
50:43
guys. Yeah, they they have a history
50:52
of that. So not really like, you know,
50:56
but you know, they got their fight, they got their three
50:59
years of that contract, 3 or 4. Years of that contract so.
51:03
What was? It more I think the Giants got a
51:05
steal, though. I think they got offend.
51:07
Everybody's talking about, oh, they took on the money.
51:09
They took on the money. Man, $300 million in today's
51:13
game for a hitter of that caliber is freaking like a
51:17
dysfunction. Yeah, it's like, I mean, come
51:20
on, like. I don't think he's gonna.
51:23
I think he ultimately moves the first base anyway.
51:27
Yeah. But I think for the price that
51:30
you pay for him, if he decides to dedicate himself to first
51:33
base and gets good at it, then that's a it's a win, win for
51:36
everybody, yeah. So I think he's been nothing but
51:39
DH now, but I think I think you're right.
51:41
I think like they're gonna train him in the offseason on to play
51:45
first base and stuff. Yeah, absolutely.
51:49
The other trade I I kind of like the Ahmed Rosario trade to the
51:52
Yankees more than I like the Ryan McMahon trade.
51:55
I don't know, there's something just and I get from Mcmahons a
51:59
good defender, but I don't know. I'm in Rosario sneaky, but.
52:05
Yeah. I like the McMahon trade too,
52:09
just because, I mean, Yankee Stadium, he's going to be able
52:12
to play well here because he's going to run into some balls in
52:14
the middle of that or bottom of that order to help, you know,
52:17
give them some more offense where they might need it as
52:20
well. So I mean, I like those.
52:21
But like I said, I don't think like initially, yeah, it's not,
52:25
they're not especially in that division with what the Yankees
52:28
have to do right now. Like I don't think that's a
52:31
needle mover with that. McMahon was the the guy over
52:36
there with the Rockies now, right?
52:37
So now he's around star power and then he he's probably going
52:40
to. Kick in and play better, but.
52:43
Yeah, he should, right. I mean, I mean, some players in
52:46
New York, either they live, they, they, they embrace that,
52:50
that, you know, New York, you know, or they or they don't, you
52:54
know, and we'll see which one it is.
52:57
But I'm Josh Naylor to the Mariners is interesting.
53:01
That's really interesting. I didn't get that one.
53:02
That's much. It won't be that one happen at
53:04
all either. That was that was weird.
53:06
You know, that was weird. Yeah, just.
53:09
It's just the markets for the other upper echelon, for
53:15
availability for the other players.
53:17
I think just the prices are too hard.
53:18
Like for example, Suarez, like they're asking for so much like
53:22
they're asking for AA, AAA guys. Guys are closer to major.
53:26
Apparently Seattle's still in on him.
53:27
I mean, he played there last year, but he wasn't all that
53:29
until like like the last couple years ago, Whatever it whenever
53:34
he played last, But I mean he's. Playing for man, but yeah, I
53:39
mean. He's playing for a contract too,
53:41
right? That's another thing.
53:42
That's why he's playing probably at a high level in that
53:44
magnitude. He'll get, he'll get, he'll get
53:46
a three-year deal. I think he'll get, you know, if
53:49
he's already at 36 homers, 37 homers, so he'll get that.
53:53
Four, He had a four Homer game this year.
53:55
I mean, yeah, he's gonna get something, yeah.
53:59
He does. I know that.
54:01
I know that his defense is very flawed.
54:03
I don't know how team like I know teams emphasize on defense.
54:07
That's why the Yankees went to go get 2 bats immediately who
54:10
can play defense. That's what is a key need.
54:13
They they need to they were in a leaky spot and they had to
54:16
address that. Soto to the Mets is interesting.
54:20
Left-handed power pitcher. He's a rental I believe so I
54:23
know Baltimore is loading up with some positional player
54:26
prospects for the for this year and next year.
54:30
Interesting trade. I know that Toronto was linked
54:32
to him, but. I guess they didn't want to do
54:34
in division trade. They must be it must be a higher
54:36
asking price, right. So I understand that, But let me
54:39
ask you guys, this Royals, they made two trades and they gave
54:43
SEF Lugo an extension. Like are they do you think
54:46
there's still a a fighting? Chance for him to compete for
54:49
the playoffs. Yeah, I mean, they're two games
54:53
under 500 for sure. Yeah.
54:55
Yeah, I think so. In that division too.
54:58
Yeah, in that division too. That division is still up for.
55:02
It's like it's kind of up for grabs too.
55:04
I mean, that's AI mean that that division is getting better and
55:06
just competitive. That's a competitive,
55:09
competitive division too. So the only one that I feel like
55:12
that's not. I mean the twins are five games
55:15
under 500, but you know, you still got a lot of youth in
55:18
that. You know, I mean, I I feel like
55:21
a lot of people was trying to get after the tigers, man, the
55:23
tigers are the media, one of the they're right behind you guys
55:26
and right behind the Jays and the best record.
55:28
But I mean, you got Cleveland. Cleveland's there.
55:32
They're one game under 500. They're still young.
55:34
I just I just really think that it's just those three teams
55:36
right there that's going to be cat fighting all all year for
55:39
the rest of the year. So I think they make a splash
55:42
for sure. They did last.
55:44
They did last year. So the Braves made 22 trades,
55:49
right? Dane Donning feeling either Eric
55:51
Fetty got DFA D, he was acquired for a player to be named later.
55:55
Could those guys be anything for them the rest of the year?
55:58
Or do you think they're just placeholders or they, you know,
56:01
they could still trade them as the trade deadline they got
56:04
because I think Fetty's pitching on Tuesday, right?
56:06
So don't you think it's kind of a showcase thinking that if we
56:10
can do something, maybe they get some value in return?
56:12
I don't know. I'm just putting it out there.
56:16
I mean, I don't think they're really going to do much for
56:18
them. I think they're just holding
56:19
play people. I think they're just eating
56:20
hands and they're just making some moves to help fill out some
56:24
teams and fill out some rosters just again to get to where they
56:27
need to next year. Yeah, no, it makes sense because
56:32
they they are injured. And I heard the news about Grant
56:34
Holmes is very unfortunate. It's not good.
56:36
I mean, forearm tightness is never a good thing, right?
56:39
For any. Never a good thing.
56:41
He's pitched a lot of innings this year and he's done really
56:44
well for them, but. Yeah, I.
56:46
Was in A minor for 10 years too. I mean, that's, it's a great
56:49
story, man, what he's been through in his career.
56:52
So but yeah, it's unfortunate, but I agree, I think they're
57:00
just placeholders too. I mean, Eric Fetty looked a
57:03
couple years ago like he might be starting to look like he
57:07
could be something like pretty good.
57:10
But yeah, did he play? Overseas a couple years ago
57:13
before he got that contract. Yeah, but yeah.
57:15
But when he came back, remember, he came back and he was, he was
57:18
really good Nationals and he was really good, Yeah.
57:21
And. They traded it.
57:22
Seemed like he liked you some. Yeah.
57:24
And then they traded him and, you know, it might look like he
57:27
was getting his career back on track, but I don't know.
57:35
All right, Rob, you got the next question.
57:41
Let's talk about some of those teams and what do you think some
58:07
of the the legitimate shot of making the playoffs and possibly
58:13
even when did their divisions, could they make a run for their
58:15
division, some of these teams? I mean, for sure.
58:21
I mean they can all make runs for the division.
58:23
I think the only team that's probably going to have a tougher
58:25
time or the toughest time doing that would probably be the Reds
58:31
in that scenario. Honestly, just because you look
58:34
at, you know, who they have to go through to make it up there
58:38
and get to the wild card in the 1st place, they've got to go
58:42
through both teams in their division.
58:44
Hopefully that they can run through them first of all, and
58:47
then hopefully that the NL East teams are falling off too.
58:51
It's I think they're going to be on the fence.
58:54
They're going to have the toughest time, but they have a
58:56
good little ball team and it's going to be interesting to see
58:58
what moves they make. But the Ale Centralis is always
59:04
up in the air though, like everybody, it's just small
59:07
market teams and they always fight.
59:08
But I thought the Tigers would kind of like ran away with that
59:11
one a little bit. So it's just going to be, I
59:13
think wild card depending on what can happen in that
59:16
division. I just just because, I mean, you
59:21
look at the Tigers and kind of what they've done over there
59:24
right now, the Tigers are what, like six games up on them
59:29
during, Yeah. I think it's 8 now.
59:32
It's eight games. Yeah, 8 1/2 up on Kansas City.
59:36
You see what I'm saying? So I think now it's kind of, but
59:39
you look at Toronto, like we were talking about earlier,
59:41
Toronto and Boston and New York, you never know what could happen
59:45
there. But like the wild card with
59:46
those teams, with the Royals and the Guardians, I think, I think
59:52
that's just going to be, I think that's going to be a fight.
59:55
I think the wild card's going to be a fight.
59:57
I don't think the Angels are going to have enough to sustain.
1:00:00
Getting all the way from now is until finishing the second-half.
1:00:04
I think they're sellers, bro. I think they're they're going
1:00:08
to, they're going to turn that. They're going to turn that
1:00:09
roster over again, you think? They're going to turn over
1:00:12
again. I can see them doing that.
1:00:13
And then I mean again and following them.
1:00:16
You have the twins right there. I don't think the.
1:00:18
Twins are twins are probably going to sell, you would think.
1:00:21
That's what I'm saying. The twins are literally what
1:00:23
they're. They're they're, I don't know
1:00:26
the division. Yeah, they're two, but they're
1:00:29
they're 5 1/2 out of the wild cards.
1:00:31
Yeah, and they have to jump. But you look at that and then.
1:00:35
Yeah, it's about the teams you have to jump, right?
1:00:38
Exactly. So much.
1:00:39
It's like 12345. You need to jump five teams, you
1:00:43
know, or I mean, to get in, you need to jump.
1:00:46
Well, it's 122, yeah, 2T right now.
1:00:50
Well, five teams, yeah. I do agree with Trayvon with the
1:00:54
Angels, because I think gang swept by the Mets kind of put a
1:00:58
little statement like, well, we're just not there.
1:01:01
I mean, the Mets are on fire right now, right?
1:01:02
They've been playing some great baseball recently.
1:01:05
I think they just swept the Giants too.
1:01:07
So yeah, I believe that with the Angels.
1:01:10
I mean, I feel like. You know every.
1:01:13
Year we ask like I think they have the longest drought without
1:01:16
the playoffs right so far like. This has to be the closest
1:01:19
they've been though, right? Yeah.
1:01:20
Yeah, this is the closest. I think yeah, because they've
1:01:23
been in a. While, yeah, I think they're
1:01:25
close, I think they're another year away to being real serious.
1:01:28
I think that if they can figure out their pitching, their
1:01:31
pitching is still a problem. Like I felt like they did enough
1:01:34
touching. I mean, is there a realistic
1:01:42
shot that they could they could sneak into a wild card this year
1:01:45
if they get on a run though? They get on a run.
1:01:48
They get rid of one, one or two guys, but they're going to have
1:01:51
to make like, I mean, it's going to be a downgrade payroll shit.
1:01:57
I mean for example, last year Estevez was traded to the
1:02:00
Phillies. They gave up like for rental
1:02:02
reliever they they overpaid to go get him.
1:02:05
They got 2 legitimate pinching prospects.
1:02:07
Well, I mean, you still think about it with just you're
1:02:10
talking about the angels. I mean they they still have to
1:02:13
leap Texas and Seattle in that. That's true.
1:02:17
Yeah, You know, like we were just talking about like the the
1:02:19
teams, they have to have to get over.
1:02:21
They have to get Texas and Seattle because Houston's
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already in there, and then they try to jump.
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Teams in the AL the teams. And teams in the AL Central, you
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know, so right, like Trayvon was saying, I believe they're
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probably going to be sellers and try to just look forward to next
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year. For the.
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Simple fact that they just have a lot in the way of things right
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now for them. Or I mean, realistically, what
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they're really probably going to do is just go talk to Mike Trout
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and like Mike, what do you want? To do, do you want?
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To go for it this year or do you want to wait and try to build
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something that we can have sustainable for next year
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because pretty much you're our whole payroll yeah yeah You know
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I mean ultimately I feel like that's but I I wouldn't be mad
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at them either way if they go get some pieces that they think
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can help them and help Mike go ahead and.
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Yeah. Well, not even a long term if
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they if they feel like you know, they can have a piece just to
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help Mike finally be able to again.
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Once you get into the dance, you never know what can.
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Happen. So it was like, hey.
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We're gonna make a run for it and see if we add this piece.
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If it works, it works, if it doesn't, it doesn't.
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But you know, the people they've been adding recently had not
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worked at all, so. Because they've looked really
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good at times this year, like really good at times.
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And then, you know, other times they, they've just been a very
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inconsistent team from that regard.
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But yeah, I, I agree with you, guy.
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I think they do sell in the end. You know, I thought when they
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came back from the, from the All Star break that this entire
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period would be a wait and see. And then they got, I think they
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got swept by the by the Mets. I think it was.
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Yeah. And and I think that just pretty
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much sealed what they're gonna do.
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Yeah, I think they're gonna sell.
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What do you what do you think about the Rays?
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Because every year we asked to raise.
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Are they buyers? Are they sellers?
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Are they both like last year they were like 3 games, three
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games under the wild card hunt, right, Like 3 games back.
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But you saw them. They went on a total fire sale
1:04:19
last year and there's some rumors about them having Yandy
1:04:23
Diaz, Brandon Lau, maybe a Pete Fairbank.
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There was a rumor about Taj Bradley who just got sent down
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like what are the Rays like? Are they buyer?
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They're sellers like they're like they're like they're
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they're adventurous team. They say right.
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So like what do you thoughts about are about the rage?
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40 kings I think. They'll be the same thing like
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the Angels do. I don't think they're going to
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steal as much because they're so close to 500.
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They have to give their fan base like, or at least we're trying.
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But we know we're fucked. Like, you know, I'm saying like
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I don't, I don't know, I mean, I'm not saying that they're
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fucked, but I did say that, but I won't say it again, but I'm
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just saying 500 last 500, right. So they don't want to just throw
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in a towel 100%. They just want to be a little
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bit active to show like, hey, well, we're trying to do
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something like, you know, I'm saying we're not, we're not just
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going to sit here. So I think they're going to the
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same boat as the angels. They're definitely just going to
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make one move, make one little small move, maybe even not even
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make a move at the big league level.
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It might just be some minor league shit, like, you know, I'm
1:05:28
saying, but they're gonna they're gonna be active, you
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know, but they just they're not gonna take on because they're so
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close in that 500 range to where I know the Angels have a lot,
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but the Rays are a lot closer than the Angels right now.
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And it's The funny thing is only two games back of that last spot
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in the wild, wild card. I mean, like Jay said, like
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it's, it's a lot of hurdles, but I mean, look, with the Rays and
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and Angels, a lot of hurdles to get to that point.
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But they can't lose their fan base 'cause that's their,
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there's the money back. I don't know what the Rays are
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going to do. They get there.
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I mean, about the stadium and all.
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I mean, I'm glad I'm, I'm, I'm still surprised that they're in
1:06:04
a division, you know, at 500 playing 500 baseball, playing at
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spring training site. You know, I'm saying so.
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And they ain't gonna do too much, but they gonna do some.
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They got the new ownership too, right?
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So I think that's also a factor. But I don't know, like you said,
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like they could go, they go start spending in the offseason
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and do things, But I'm just curious to see they're they're
1:06:28
one of the teams that you have to keep an eye on every year
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because they like to they like to be mysterious and when they
1:06:36
play mysterious games with when it comes to like being buyers or
1:06:41
sellers, you just don't know what what direction they're hold
1:06:43
because bad. That's it's that's a team that
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always just like, what are what are they going to do?
1:06:50
Like what are they going to do? Like?
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I just don't because they have all these guys in the minors
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like that are close to being ready.
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I don't know if they're ready this year, but I'm sure they'll
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be ready by next year for sure. I mean they.
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Speculate. That's the thing.
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That's crazy, right? Yeah.
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You can say they're going to be ready and then when they get
1:07:08
there, it's like, damn, they're not ready and they're not ready.
1:07:11
Banking on it. Like you know what I mean?
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Then you're banking on it. You can have like again, like
1:07:16
the Orioles hit on that for so long, right?
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For the for a few years. And then now we're like all the
1:07:21
Orioles are back. Like what if that starts from
1:07:24
the beginning and then you don't give those guys a chance at the
1:07:26
same point? Right, right, right.
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You never really know. Like it's crazy to think about,
1:07:31
but like, that's just how baseball is.
1:07:33
Like I, I go through it now with my guys, like the first outings
1:07:36
they always have up here, it's normally terrible or like
1:07:40
they're just nerves or jitters or whatever.
1:07:42
And then it's how you react to that first one.
1:07:45
So you can say you're ready and prepare and then be ready, or
1:07:51
you get hit in the mouth and then you realize you're not
1:07:53
ready and then exactly. You know, you know, you know.
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Let. Me.
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Let me give you a prime example. Last year, when the Tigers were
1:08:04
sellers, they were completely out of the playoff hunt.
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But the last two months of the year, they went on some.
1:08:12
He's like some crazy run. And not only that, they made it
1:08:16
to the playoffs, won the wild card, made it to the ALDS and
1:08:19
gave him a run with Cleveland in the ALDS to push it to five
1:08:24
games. Like, but I mean, it's so funny
1:08:27
how baseball works because they got a a good return for Jack
1:08:30
Flaherty last year, right? And they still made the
1:08:34
playoffs, which is insane to think like what they do that
1:08:37
that's the thing about baseball. You just don't know.
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That's why you got to play the 162.
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You just don't know how how these things end.
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But if you're beating good teams, you know how good your
1:08:46
team is at the end of the day, right?
1:08:47
So I think that's important. And this is going to be a
1:08:51
ultimate testament these next what's less than 60 games left
1:08:56
to this year. So and the trade deadline coming
1:08:59
up, we'll have a better idea who's going to be the the real
1:09:02
buyers of real sellers. But I'd like to get.