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Eagles vs Packers NFL DFS Showdown | Week 10 MNF | Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: Ball system's going clear the lift up?
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  Speaker 2: What's up? Every one? Tyler Tamberline here aka Totagg and
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  Speaker 2: Tambo back for another edition of the Monday Night Football
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  Speaker 2: Show here on the ship in Nation YouTube station. We've
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  Speaker 2: got the Eagles at Green Bay. We've got title, We've
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  Speaker 2: got Hoop gonna break down all things for the Showdown slate.
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  Speaker 2: We've got Captain Ownership gonna talk it through roster construction.
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  Speaker 2: There's a million dollars up top tonight in the Mega Milliemaker,
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  Speaker 2: and then there's a five hundred k top prize in
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  Speaker 2: the twenty dollar overr on draft games. We'll talk Banduel
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  Speaker 2: at the end as well. But who kicking over to
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  Speaker 2: you man before we get into it. We got a
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  Speaker 2: pretty good game here for a Monday night football after
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  Speaker 2: what was probably one of the worst football games I've
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  Speaker 2: ever watched your period last night. Disgusting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the primetime games this week a little rough.
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  Speaker 4: I mean the Thursday night was if last night was
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  Speaker 4: the worst game you've ever watched, like it's you know,
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  Speaker 4: the one on Thursday had to have been the second worst,
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  Speaker 4: because that was rough on Thursday. Last night was really
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  Speaker 4: really bad, and you know, it happens time to time
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  Speaker 4: in the NFL, where these games are just painful and
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  Speaker 4: it just feels like once they start down that path,
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  Speaker 4: it just continues. And I didn't watch much of it,
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  Speaker 4: to be honest with you, So I didn't. It didn't
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  Speaker 4: waste any time really on it. This game, you know,
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  Speaker 4: close spread, relatively solid total around forty five forty seven ish,
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  Speaker 4: So we got a solid game. Two teams that have
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  Speaker 4: offensive pieces. I mean, the Packers are coming off in
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  Speaker 4: as absolute stinkers. So I mean, if you're someone that
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  Speaker 4: believes in like the bounce back spot, this would theoretically
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  Speaker 4: be a good bounce back spot, I guess for the Packers,
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  Speaker 4: but I don't know if I even trusted the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: It's just so it is so weak the week.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you look at the Bills yesterday get I
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  Speaker 4: mean getting their ass kicked by the Dolphins. I mean
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  Speaker 4: it was that game was never even in question at
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  Speaker 4: any point, and then the Panthers, who beat the Packers
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  Speaker 4: last week go and get beat by the Saints. It's
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  Speaker 4: just it's a crazy league. It's fun and hopefully well
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  Speaker 4: get a good game tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of bounce backs, you brought it up. Got another
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  Speaker 2: team bounce back Yesterday Coaster Danny Pettiford is in here
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  Speaker 2: talking about those you know, the Viking stuff, but Man
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  Speaker 2: Dan speaking of Dan Dan Campbell taking control of that playbook,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, just figure it out. You got James and Williams.
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  Speaker 2: He goes watch this literally seven plays in a row.
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  Speaker 3: Bonus, exactly what's that same play?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's someone saw the post. It went
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  Speaker 2: viral today of like when he fist bumps the thing
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  Speaker 2: he's not if you watched it live. I did. There
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  Speaker 2: was two scenarios yesterday. That was one of them. One
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  Speaker 2: of my favorite. He fist bumped that it's gonna fucking
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  Speaker 2: work this time. I'm dropping a f bump for this
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  Speaker 2: one because it's what Dan Campbell was saying. He's definitely
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  Speaker 2: saying we're running it back and this time it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: work because the play that he was fist bumping was
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  Speaker 2: after they just ran that play and just missed it.
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  Speaker 2: So I love that. And then shout out to t
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  Speaker 2: Henderson man for the Patriots. There's so there's so many
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  Speaker 2: little things if you pay attention to the beauty of
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  Speaker 2: the game. I know we love talking dfs and winning
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  Speaker 2: all the money and we're gonna do that here. But
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  Speaker 2: the t Henderson run to the end zone, glance at
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  Speaker 2: the bench to see if it's okay, and then get
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  Speaker 2: in when he can just slide out and said, they
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  Speaker 2: said go for a young one, get it done. He
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  Speaker 2: gets it in. I love that type of shit, man.
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  Speaker 2: That's what makes the game so fun to watch it.
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  Speaker 2: It's the true passion behind all of it, and these
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  Speaker 2: people there iq the craft, it's just everything that goes
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  Speaker 2: into it. Title. Kick it over to you, my man,
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  Speaker 2: get your thoughts. We got ship it Wisconsination tonight. We
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  Speaker 2: know a ton of shim membership of Nation members loving
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  Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers are man Aid's. We got all
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  Speaker 2: kinds of people out there. New Ones is posting the chat.
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  Speaker 2: But you're a cheese seat as well. What's going on,
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  Speaker 2: my friend? How you doing?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah? Doing well? Happy to see Davile fired. I don't
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  Speaker 5: need to keep seeing these giants fricking collapse when they're
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  Speaker 5: ninety plus percent to win every time. I mean, get
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  Speaker 5: his ass out of there. Let's figure something else out.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean what the NFL is amazing, what
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  Speaker 5: a product in the sense of you just don't know
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  Speaker 5: what's gonna happen. You turn on a college game on
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  Speaker 5: Saturday and a twenty eight and a half point spread.
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  Speaker 5: I mean it's it's once every ten years. Maybe you
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  Speaker 5: get that upset in Appalachian State. You know what I mean,
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  Speaker 5: You'll be talking about it for decades and decades. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: NFL the best teams can go down. It makes it
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  Speaker 5: a lot of fun. But you think you know you don't.
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  Speaker 5: I got so much wrong yesterday. Ready to try and
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  Speaker 5: get some back today?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, same, This is gonna be a fun slate. Like
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of money up top. You know some
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  Speaker 2: Drea Tamba stashes lick. Couldn't get rid of it yesterday. Tried,
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  Speaker 2: trust me, But we got a million maaker tonight and
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  Speaker 2: I got a seat to the big show. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: excited about the forty four to forty four. I love
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  Speaker 2: the twenty dollars with five hundred care top. That's my
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  Speaker 2: favorite version of it. This is a great slate. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna talk through it, Hoop. I'll kick it over to
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  Speaker 2: you now to talk about the Eagles at the Packers.
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  Speaker 2: You talked about the close spread. You know, we're hearing
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  Speaker 2: everybody's style on a frozen tundra like it's never been
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  Speaker 2: cold before in Green Bay. You know, Title have his
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  Speaker 2: thoughts on that. I'm sure the chat does as well.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, your thoughts, whoop, your grand scheme over you
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  Speaker 2: for this game before we get to captains.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's kind of the same thing and
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  Speaker 4: it all kind of plays together. Where like the Packers
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  Speaker 4: on main slates are a tough team to figure out
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  Speaker 4: because you know, it could be anyone that gets the
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  Speaker 4: job done today, I think there's a chance that it's
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  Speaker 4: maybe like a little more narrowed down. I mean, with
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  Speaker 4: with Tucker Craft going down, you know, Musgrave slides in
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  Speaker 4: some of these pass catchers. I mean there's just I
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  Speaker 4: think less options maybe and we can talk through it.
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  Speaker 4: But on the Eagle side, you know, the main guys
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  Speaker 4: like you know, it's hurt Saquon, aj Brown, Demon Smith, God, Like,
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  Speaker 4: if an Eagles guy gets there, it's probably pretty clear,
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  Speaker 4: you know, of the group of five, it's probably one
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  Speaker 4: of those guys. On the Packers side, yeah, there's more names,
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  Speaker 4: but I think it's a little more clear, uh tonight,
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  Speaker 4: opposed to you know, other slates or other games.
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  Speaker 3: That we're kind of looking at.
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  Speaker 4: So overall, I think it's a more narrow player pool tonight,
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  Speaker 4: like less guys that I'm interested in getting overweight on.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: The Eagles stuff is pretty easy in terms of trying
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  Speaker 4: to identify who the captains could be though, And I'm assuming.
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  Speaker 3: You know, all their guys get some degree of ownership.
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  Speaker 4: You know, anytime like Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley are on
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  Speaker 4: a showdown site, they're probably getting a decent bit of ownership,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Saquon maybe a little bit more in the past.
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  Speaker 3: We really haven't seen it much this year.
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  Speaker 4: Just pulling it up, it looks like Hurts is getting
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  Speaker 4: around fifteen, Jacobs around fifteen, Barkley twelve, Love fourteen.
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  Speaker 3: Then there's little bit of drop off to the rest
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  Speaker 3: of the guys.
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  Speaker 4: So uh yeah, I mean this is a slate where
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, I could see myself maybe narrowing it down.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit in terms of the player pool in
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  Speaker 3: the captain spot. We'll see though, curious see what you
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  Speaker 3: guys think about it all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ted, I'll kick it over to you. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you could speak to the weather for sure. The chat
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  Speaker 2: mentioned some of it to it like it matters more
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  Speaker 2: if you get a West Coast team that's you know,
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  Speaker 2: used to the sunny days, or you get Miami or
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  Speaker 2: something that's you know, always down in the sun and
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  Speaker 2: then goes to play somewhere cold. Philly. We've seen, you know,
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  Speaker 2: seventy eight yard runs in the snow from Saquon Barkley,
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  Speaker 2: the legendary snow Game, that type of stuff where I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if it matters as much for Philly going
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  Speaker 2: into Green Bay.
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I don't think anybody likes playing in the cold.
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  Speaker 2: When they're like, oh, this guy hate's playing in the cold. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: does anyone like it? Or you know, some people say
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  Speaker 2: they feed off of it or whatever. I'm sure, but
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, they'd much rather be
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  Speaker 2: a bit warmer, I think. But your thoughts there, and
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  Speaker 2: then also a little bit on Barkley, You no, he
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  Speaker 2: I think he just held himself out. It was full
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  Speaker 2: practice all week. But last game he did come out
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  Speaker 2: for a little bit, and it was Bigsby who came
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  Speaker 2: in just fine, but they were already up big. I
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  Speaker 2: don't really think it's something worried about, at least on paper.
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  Speaker 2: What's your thoughts?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was more concerned. Like right when that happened,
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  Speaker 5: he pulled up pretty gingerly walked to the sideline. It
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  Speaker 5: was tank from there. But like you said, they didn't
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  Speaker 5: need them to come back, and it sounds like it's
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  Speaker 5: not wasn't a worry. Even the day after on Monday,
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  Speaker 5: they said that they weren't too worried about it. So
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  Speaker 5: I'm not expecting anything there. Tank did run well, though,
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  Speaker 5: Like I do expect them to maybe mix in a
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  Speaker 5: little more tank and backup running backs moving forward in
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  Speaker 5: games they can just because I mean, they want to
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  Speaker 5: win the Super Bowl. You want them to be healthy.
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  Speaker 5: As far as the weather, yeah, I mean it's just
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  Speaker 5: a typical November green Bay day. There's green yellow I'm
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  Speaker 5: looking at for Roth. It's cold, it's always cold. Eagles
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  Speaker 5: are used to it being cold. Screwed the cold. No
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  Speaker 5: one likes that. Get down to Arizona and the heat.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean the injuries Tucker Craft and then Golden,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it doesn't look like Matthew Golden's gonna play.
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  Speaker 5: Saveon Williams is questionable. So a team in the Packers
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  Speaker 5: that was very difficult to figure out. It's still difficult
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  Speaker 5: because Christian Watson is now back, There's Malik Heath, Dobbs,
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  Speaker 5: et cetera. But at least tight end, so musk Grave
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  Speaker 5: someone asked about it, and then John Fitzpatrick. Fitzpatrick was
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  Speaker 5: out there getting some reps and blocking an occasional pass
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  Speaker 5: here and there when Tucker Craft was in. So Packers
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  Speaker 5: will definitely play two tight ends a decent bit. Savan
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  Speaker 5: Williams news is interesting because if he's out, Dodgs is
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  Speaker 5: the clear number one. Watson's the clear two. I think,
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  Speaker 5: I mean Wix's I guess questionable too. I think he
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  Speaker 5: probably plays, but he would be three, and then Heath
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  Speaker 5: and save on after that. The problem is, though Jacob's like,
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  Speaker 5: it's not even like he's a workhorse anymore. The Packers
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  Speaker 5: have definitely given Emmanuel Wilson the rock a decent bit.
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  Speaker 5: Jacobs has been kind of beat up all year, but
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he's fine, but they're getting Wilson the ball.
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  Speaker 5: And the thing with Emmanuel Wilson is man his Like
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  Speaker 5: you look at value on this slate below Eagles defense
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  Speaker 5: at three point a k, I have no one projected
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  Speaker 5: for over three points except Emmanuel Wilson. I do think
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  Speaker 5: he will be the chalkiest one down there that fits
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  Speaker 5: a lot of stuff. But after that, like it John Fitzpatrick,
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  Speaker 5: Savion Williams, Tank Bigsby, Chris Brooks, Malie Keith down there,
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  Speaker 5: Will Shipley, Like the value is so gross is what
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  Speaker 5: stands out to me. But we have guys you want
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  Speaker 5: to sign on, if you want Hurts, if you want.
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  Speaker 5: So it's kind of going to lead me to some
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  Speaker 5: of these more middling captains and stuff that I'm fine
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  Speaker 5: saving on. I don't think we need the highest score
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  Speaker 5: up top today just based on the value I'm seeing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen a comment highlighted there. We got it
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  Speaker 2: a hoove, go ahead, pop that thing up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, damn tonight, where's Nds? Neds will let us know?
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  Speaker 3: He's been talking about golden for what.
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  Speaker 4: Week is it? He's been talking boum for nine so
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  Speaker 4: maybe maybe nads will will let us know if it's
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  Speaker 4: a golden night.
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  Speaker 2: God, that's good, that's good. Yeah, he did no practices
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  Speaker 2: though title mention it no practice Friday or Saturday for him,
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  Speaker 2: so definitely in question we'll get to see that. And
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  Speaker 2: then Wicks, I don't know, like the WIX would be
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  Speaker 2: a product of having to get in there just because
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  Speaker 2: they're without Golden and Williams. Probably, I don't think they
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  Speaker 2: love Wicks. I I saw some stuff over the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks talking about his upcoming contract and the
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  Speaker 2: one that's not going to exist in Green Bay for
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  Speaker 2: him any further because they're they're paying him like a
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  Speaker 2: million a season or something, just not something they're interested
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  Speaker 2: in doing moving forward. So you got Dobbs, you got Watson,
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  Speaker 2: you got Heath, and then the tight end room will
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  Speaker 2: get you later. Musgrave, Fitzpatrick and Wiley or whatever you
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  Speaker 2: say his name like, is the three that are there
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  Speaker 2: that people are mentioning. Fitzpatrick's touchdown prop is like in
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  Speaker 2: the same realm of like Heath or someone, but you
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  Speaker 2: know he's the backup, back up. Obviously Musgrave a better number,
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  Speaker 2: but they priced him up with the obvious news that
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  Speaker 2: Craft no longer able to play. So that's just something
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  Speaker 2: to talk about there. I think it's gonna be a
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  Speaker 2: interesting spot. The one other piece to mention that you
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  Speaker 2: know it'll get brought up a ton I'm sure, is
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  Speaker 2: about green Bay going against the tush push rule and
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: how everyone and their dog is telling me tonight that
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  Speaker 2: you have to bet Jalen Hurts three touchdowns because he's
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  Speaker 2: just gonna run. He's gonna push three in. It's like
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  Speaker 2: thirty five to one or something. But I believe the
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  Speaker 2: books are actually giving better odds on that now that
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  Speaker 2: everyone's betting it, because it's very unlikely that someone scoring
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  Speaker 2: three rushing touchdowns. But if it was someone, it could
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  Speaker 2: be him, it could be Barkley. But it's just something
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  Speaker 2: to think about there. Soop, I'll kick it over to you.
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  Speaker 2: You talked about keeping a tighter captain pool. Give us
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  Speaker 2: some of the thoughts. I mean, Hurts, Barkley some of
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  Speaker 2: the obvious ones, but what are some of your thoughts
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  Speaker 2: around the alternatives and even with using those at your
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  Speaker 2: top top captain option.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, my initial thoughts just looking at it is I
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  Speaker 4: just want a lot of the Eagles guys, just because
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  Speaker 4: when you look at their games, it's typically somebody goes
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  Speaker 4: off for the Eagles, whether it's Hurts, whether it's Aj Brown,
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  Speaker 4: DeVonta Smith, even Goddard. Goddard has gone off this season
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  Speaker 4: and in past seasons, and Saquan not as much this year,
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  Speaker 4: but it just seems like they have the ceiling performances,
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  Speaker 4: whereas the Packers really don't have those big ceiling performances,
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  Speaker 4: you know, outside of you know, maybe like like Jacobs,
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  Speaker 4: but he Wilson has been getting, you know, eating into
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  Speaker 4: that full workhorse sort of role. So a little worried there.
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  Speaker 4: I just prefer all the Eagles guys, Hurts, Barkley, AJ Brown,
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  Speaker 4: DeVonta Smith, and even Goddard. When I go to the
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  Speaker 4: packer side, my favorite is probably Luke Musgrave and I
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  Speaker 4: am going to play him up top and should not
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  Speaker 4: have that much ownership.
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  Speaker 3: We're showing three percent on top. He's probably my favorite packer.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm gonna pass on the Jordan Love stuff like
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  Speaker 4: if it is Jordan Love cool, like, I just won't
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  Speaker 4: be on it. That's one move I'll kind of make.
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  Speaker 4: You know, he's looking to be the third most popular
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  Speaker 4: up top. I'm fine either being severely underweight on him
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  Speaker 4: and the captain or just completely.
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  Speaker 3: Being off of it.
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  Speaker 4: But just looking at these Eagles games, even when it's
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  Speaker 4: kind of ugly, someone typically goes off for him and
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  Speaker 4: it could be any of their main guys.
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  Speaker 3: So I want exposure to all the main Eagles.
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  Speaker 4: Guys up top, and then on the Packers side, definitely
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  Speaker 4: want exposure to Musgrave. You know, I'd be fine if
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  Speaker 4: I got some Jacobs Romeo Dobbs. But I just don't
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  Speaker 4: love the Packers side as much as I love the
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  Speaker 4: Eagle side.
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  Speaker 3: From a captain.
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  Speaker 4: Perspective, that not necessarily saying I think the Eagles are
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  Speaker 4: gonna win this game or blow out the Packers. Like
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  Speaker 4: even in a close game, it can still be Eagles
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  Speaker 4: captain that you need. Even with them losing, it can
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  Speaker 4: be Eagles captain that you need. So I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 4: lean Eagles captain in almost every scenario. And then if
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  Speaker 4: going to the Packer's side for just for captain purposes,
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  Speaker 4: must Graves it is definitely my favorite. I mean, Love
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  Speaker 4: obviously had a great connection with Tucker Craft.
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  Speaker 3: Mustbrave.
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  Speaker 4: He's a competent tight end, He's a competent pass catcher.
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  Speaker 4: He's had big games in the NFL. I think he
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  Speaker 4: continues throwing to the tight end. And I think Musk
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  Speaker 4: Graves in a really good spot tonight. So Eagles and Musgrave,
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  Speaker 4: and then if you guys can talk me into some
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  Speaker 4: of these other Packers may boll add him into the mix.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be trying gotta stay here though the hot hand.
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  Speaker 2: We talked a little d Wix earlier, what about a
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  Speaker 2: little t Hicks Tyler yesterday with the same ain't outright
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  Speaker 2: call gets the job done, And now he says it's true.
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  Speaker 2: You know, three is a lot, but the Hurts anytime
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  Speaker 2: touchdown plus one hundred not bad. Our man Ross always
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  Speaker 2: here supporting, we appreciate you. So yeah, Taylor, Jonathan Taylor does,
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  Speaker 2: but he's not thirty five to one to score three usually,
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think. So that's kind of the thought process
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: and pushing it up in some places for Hurts again
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: based on a narrative. So I think that's what's more
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: interesting about it. Tight all, get your thoughts at the
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: captain man just you know, mentioning it here. You know,
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: hurts Barkley, I guess the ones that seem to be
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: lower than usual and is just a case of what
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: we have in front of us for this slate is
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: all of the wide receivers and tight ends. Like it's
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: basically just quarterbacks, running backs and then wherever it falls,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: and it still kind of spreads out at those, but
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: they also eat up like sixty to seventy five percent
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: of the captain ownership.
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm struggling to an extent. I do know I'm
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: way higher on these packers than who for the sense
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: of a lot of the times you're gonna get a
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: discount on like you even just look Jordan Love compared
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: to Saquon and Jail at the Captain, You're able to
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: save twelve hundred and fifteen hundred and again with how
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: bad the value is down below, like that means something
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: to me. You look at Romeo Dobbs, twelve K Captain,
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: you get to say, fifteen hundred and eighteen hundred from
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: aj Brown and Devonte Smith. Dobb is one of my
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: favorite captains, no doubt, or one of my favorite plays
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: on the slate, no doubt, for the fact that he
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: has already been wide receiver one all year. Now they're
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: without Golden, which I don't know, maybe a couple more
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: first first looks for Love. But I think Watson actually
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: back helps Dobbs because he extends the field and he
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: opens up the middle a little more. And I'm fine
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: playing Christian Watson too. I'm assuming Golden's ruled out, I
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: would have less interest. I would have interest in Dobbs,
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: but everyone else I would have less interest in. If
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: Golden does play, but I mean Watson, he looks good.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: He's been running a lot of seam routes, a lot
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: of big play upside. Jordan Love loves to chuck the ball,
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: so Watson Wicks Like, I'm playing all these packers wide receivers,
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: and I like Jordan Love because he can spread it
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: out so much. And again because I I do not
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: like the value too much. You're talking sixty six hundred
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: Wicks and the captain ninety three hundred, Watson twelve hundred Dobbs,
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: and I'm seeing eight percent, three percent, two percent. Yeah,
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: I mean there's upside there, and I'm gonna play Love
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: two for the sense if he can spread it out
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: and throw three or four touchdowns of three or four
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: different guys, And if that's the case, you're probably gonna
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: need them up top. The receiving yards prop actually stood
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: out to me. Aj Brown fifty seven and a half,
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: DeVante fifty four and a half, Dobbs fifty three and
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: a half, Watson forty what was it forty four and
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: a half. So you're telling me like ten yards less
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: for Watson to Smith when looking at it, and you
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: get a sixty two hundred versus nine K, Like, yeah,
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: the receivers are overpriced for the Eagles. You could argue
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: maybe under price or efficiently priced for the Packers. But
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: then I go back and I'm like, all right, we
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: play an ownership game when you win, how much do
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: you win? And you have seven percent and eleven percent
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: or five percent for Devonte up top. Honestly, I don't
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: even know how much I love it, Like I'm gonna
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: play Saquon in Hurts and be boring that way, I
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: might be underweight, but if I start plugging in all
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: these packers and stuff, now my pool is so big.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: So honestly, I don't love aj and Smith as much.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: I like the packers stuff a lot on this slate,
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: and I'm going to be overweight to a lot of
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: these packers captains for price discounts and ownership discounts. Really,
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: outside of Jacobs, who I'm fine with, He's minus one
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: fifty five to score. The next best on the slate
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: Saque at minus one oh five, but Wilson has really
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: ate into his his workload a bit and some goal
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: line touches. So I honestly the three highest on captains
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: Saquon Hurts and Jacobs.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: I can't really say I love any of them. I'm
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: going to take a shot on some of these lower
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: own captains to day.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say the one that you mentioned, I
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: know Whop wasn't as high, and it's all try and
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: sell them. But I definitely have interest in the love stuff.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I know you just mentioned a title, but the fact
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: that he spreads it out so much more, it's more
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: interesting to me more than just that. That's the obvious part.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I want a quarterback. If I want a quarterback, I
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: want them to be able to spread it out, even
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: try some stuff every now and again, maybe rush one in,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: who knows how he can take it. But I'm seeing
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: currently it's he's either third or fourth highest stone right now.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: It currently shows third, and like Barkley could be slightly
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: behind him. I don't know if that will hold up.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: People typically still find a way to get to Saquon
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: and so you think about and it's again it'll be
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: very close. But it's even if he's the fourth, it's
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: not just that he is fifteen thousand up top versus
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: fifteen nine sixteen two sixteen five slight difference or leave
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: the money and be different that way, But the biggest
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: factor is just how much he hurts the three guys
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: above him. Pun intended, I guess with Jalen hurts there.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: But if if Hurts is gonna be high owned opposite quarterback,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: if Barkley's gonna be up there, it's different game scripts sometimes,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: or it could be because of that. You can choose
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Barkley in the flex, and then it would hurt his
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: own guy, Josh Jacobs, because it would likely pull from him.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: And then the factors of if you have Dobbs Watson,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: we like Musgrave, whoever ends up being the other option.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: That's kind of the Bills I think anyway, So I
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: think it's definitely interesting to have Jordan Love up top.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I like your call on Dobbs. I like Watson as well,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: and our man age just hopped in there, and I
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: think I saw him posted up, said Watson season.
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: I think I'm shot outing a Packers pass catcher. Shocking information.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: It's just rides in Golden right to Watson. Golden's injured,
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: all right, who's the next guy? Give me give me
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: this watching, dude.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: It's a one game slate, to be fair, we ain't
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: talking ten game mains.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Say, you know, his ass would beyond You're saying the
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: exact same thing.
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: If we're talking main slave football right now.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I got you.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Know, he's yelling at his computer.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: This could be a thirteen game main slate. He'd be
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: in here saying Watson season had nothing to do with
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: a showdown.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: It's been going on since week one. We got the
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: banner still bottom there. This is a non stop I
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: did have him on Takedown Breakdown this morning with Bellman
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: and we put Aids on the spot. We let him
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: have his his fifteen seconds of fame there. We could
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: go talk about it and it's he's no Homer, he said,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: So I think that's interesting, But I'm reversing. I guess
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: what title said. It's all the same stuff. Well, I
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: like love up top two. But what Watson can do
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: for Dobbs, Dobbs can also do for Watson. You know,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: it feels like one of those two. The bigger part
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: is what people say about Watson, and people have already
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: said it today. I've heard multiple people say this about
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Muskgrave is these are guys that can't stay healthy, don't
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: care like I care about tonight. If they break down tonight,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: so be it, it happened to It can happen anyway, happen
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: to Craft, happened to tons of the Malik neighbors. You
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: go down the list of people this season that it's
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: happened to. But the ability of Musgrave's health dating back
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: to college, Like, I don't give a shit. We're playing tonight.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: All I care about is today's slate. So like what
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: he did in college or whatever happened to him and
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: his body back then or whatever, it don't matter to me, no, nothing,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: So I think that's important to remember for this slate.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I like Watson, I like Dobbs, I like Musgrave, I
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: like Love. That's why I like love connecting with those guys,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: and I prefer Hurts and Barkley. I will experiment later
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: and see what these Brown and Smith lineups look like,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: because they do fit in at a little cheaper price tag.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's what makes them unique. But it's gonna just
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: be underweight on some of the Top four if I
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: go do that route, so, you know, spreading it out
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: for sure tonight. I think it's a good slate to
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: do so, but not gonna try and go too thin
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: or too cheap or anything like that. I think it's
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: gonna kind of be Musgrave and above, but mostly musk
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Grave and Watson will probably be the only two captains
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: sort of under ten K that I see working because
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Goddard is on the other side, and that's really how
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I play it typically lately. So I don't know if
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: brown Smith will get much love. I'll have to wait
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: and see on that title. Do you have anything else
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: you want to add with the captains? If not, you
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: could talk us through quarterback a little bit more. They're
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: talking about Jordan leverage up there. If you want to
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: play Jordan Love up top. We talked about that, But
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: anything else you want to talk about with the captains.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: If not, we can go to quarterback.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, not really. I do think aj and DeVante just
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: have to be squeezed. But I mean it's tough captain ownership.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: Like the highest we have right now is fifteen point
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: four to one for Hurts, and I think it is accurate.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: I think that just does show how much it is
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: spread out. For the fact that when you do put
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: saqu or Hurt to these guys up top, you're gonna
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: get to a range with very uncomfortable clicks. And when
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: we go throughout you'll see, like when we get to
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: running back, I'm gonna say, guy like a tank Bigsby.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, if you're only playing a couple of teams,
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: it's not great to click that name. But when you're
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: comparing them to people in the range, I mean you're
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: almost like these projections are one point two, two point two,
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: et cetera. So yeah, that's all I got to captain.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: I echo your last statement. You said, if you do
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: get overweight or gets the aj brown Smith, you're probably
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: gonna be underweight on like the top four at least
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: most of them. And I agree, like if I somehow
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: end up over on them and has to come from somewhere,
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: it would come from those guys up top, which I
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: would be fine with. Again, I don't necessarily love Saquon
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: Hurts or Jacobs in this spot. I'm gonna be hoping
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: it's probably a lower own captain up top to a
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: little to get a little different and win a lot
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: of money if we do win quarterbacks. I don't really
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: have much to add. I think you can fade both
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: quarterbacks in the flex or captain in certain builds for
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: the sense of all right, is it a saque day
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: like if I'm not playing Hurt in any build, I'm
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: probably more likely to play Saquan up top. Maybe he
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: does all of it, or just be a four to
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: two packers. There are five to one packers and they
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: just beat the Eagles and dust them. But if he
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: doesn't get his touch push stuff and Saquon gets the
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: goal line touchdowns, or if it's just like one touchdown
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: and it's Brown or Smith, I could see a path there.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: You can obviously see a path with the Packers if
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: it's Wilson fits Jacobs on the ground. But honestly, with
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: the discount, I think I like love more than herts today.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I will say this too, you don't really need quarterback
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: if you just play double d and double kicker like
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: it's been crushing lately, so you know, maybe you just
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: need the running backs and that. But that's kind of
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: the way I've seen it. I'll kick it to you
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: in a sec hoop just on additional quarterback dots. But
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: our man Kenny w in the chat says, don't think
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I've ever seen captain optimal rates this spread out. Yeah,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at the stone and it all correlates in lines,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: but it is pretty wild how spread out it is
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: for tonight. It's type of game you're gonna get though.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: This back to Tyler here says Dawdell was running through
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Green Bay. This is this is why I said earlier.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I think Barkley does creep up from where he is
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: currently right now when people remember that, oh this is
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: the case and this is the thought process. It's not
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: like it's gonna be much. I guess I'm not saying
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: that it's gonna be some wide gap here margin, but
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I definitely think it is possible that we see that.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: And then I will kick at you on this because
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: we talked about quarterbacks. You can add on and then
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: we go to running back after. But the Super Bowl
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: defending Super Bowl champions are on the road, sure, but
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: they're coming into to play Green Bay, who lost to
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Carolina recently, And so any any thoughts on that? And
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: by the way, I think that it's gone from like
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: two and a half what was what I think green
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Bay started at, it's down to one. So maybe more
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: people are catching onto that or more thinking that now.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: But do you have any thoughts on that at all?
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I know we've been trying to pick off these lines lately.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: We got New Orleans and we got the Ravens yesterday.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: That was nice.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just so weak to week. I mean, yeah, it's
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: just crazy to think that Carolina beat this team. Now
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: they're favored against the super Bowl winning team to I
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: don't know, I've no explanation for it. It's just just
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: goes to show you the NFL, like anything can happen,
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: you know, any given Sunday.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Definitely definitely remains true.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: The Eagles haven't bet like looked great eye tests wise.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, the Giants, we're seventeen.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: A whole lot of cruise control, right, I mean, it
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: just seems like they're just cruising through this regular season.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: They're six and two, you.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Know, and if if you watch them play, you wouldn't
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: assume they're six and two.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: They haven't looked.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: Way worse than six and two.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's all those conversations right now, because like
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Denver and their record, you look at all these teams
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: even last night, look at the records in those teams,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: like two winning teams playing each other game looks like shit,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Like it's just horrible to watch.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: And they not go back. Who are the best teams?
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Like it's like again, like you have the conversation every week.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Like three weeks ago, you would say the Bills are
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: probably like one of the top teams in the NFL.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Now it's like people are saying they're not good, like
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: they're not going a weapon.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's brutal. I'm so mad if Josh
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: Allen Coleman can't get open any separation.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I guess like the other thing is like
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: they just don't like even when they have weapons there,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: like they just don't really use them.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: I guess I don't know.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: It's like it's kind of like a Catch twenty two
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: to me, Like I don't know.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: And he had Diggs, he was pretty n d Davis.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: He made gave Davis pretty good.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, they really have nothing. I mean they have
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: a possession guy in Shakir. It seemed like kN KaiB
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: was kind of emerging as the weapon. He hurt, he
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: got hurt. So yeah, they it was awful.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: Shavers never is in the game. Elijah Moore, I mean.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's rough. It's a rough group, that definitely is
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: for sure. That is for sure.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: You got anything else to add at the quarterback hoop?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: You want to spend more time there? And go to
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: a running back.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: For me, it's just definitely Hurts over Love.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, he just has the chance for free fantasy
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: points if he gets like they get close to the
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: goal line. I mean it's a free six or you know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: free six fantasy points essentially if they get close because
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: he's scoring. So I'm definitely only if deciding between the two,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: and obviously it was showed on you can play both
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: definitely strongly into Hurts over Love and then running Back's tough.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: But the thing that title keeps touching on that is
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: very true.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: You gotta you gotta make a decision on the slate
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: because if you start to jam in those expensive captains,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: you're gonna be forced to play some of these cheap plays.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: And the cheap plays on the slate are fucking terrible,
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: like really really bad. So you know, I like Saquon
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: over Jacob. I'm gonna continue on. I'm and be Eagles
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: heavy over Packers guys in most one on one scenarios,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: I'm choosing the Eagles guys. So Saquon over Jacob's Emmanuel
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Wilson has a role and he'll probably end up being
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: uh the highest owned value play, which is insane. It's
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: like a backup running back that you know could get
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: a real path to, like.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Two fantasy points.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Is gonna be the most popular guy on the slate.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: We're not showing what are we showing. We're showing Yeah, no,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: we're showing twenty. I think it's probably even higher than
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: that because you start to build and there's like nothing
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: else cheap you want to play, So he's gonna be
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: very popular.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: That is concerning. That's definitely concerning because like.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: If he does get we're showing twenty Saber has twenty
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: four their adjusted ownerships twenty six, Like if it gets
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: up to like thirty percent, like Emmanuel Wilson at thirty
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: percent ownership, that just has to be a bad play,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Like it has to be a bad play. So keep
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: that in mind when playing. If you're using an optimizer,
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: it's gonna jam him in there, I'm assuming, just because
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: he's gonna look so much better than anything else and
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: his floor is very, very low, so be careful there.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Then after it's like Tank Bisbee will Shipley, Like I
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: just don't want to be there.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: So maybe you circle back to Captain and you kind
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: of go with what title is saying where maybe you
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: go with some of these cheaper captains to avoid playing
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: these shitty punts on slate. So that's definitely a strategy
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: on this one to really think about, because even you
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: go to wide receiver, there's not many cheap plays, you know,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: a lot on a lot of slates. We can find
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: some cheap wide receivers. Tight end you got, you know,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: John Fitzpatrick is a cheap play. But the cheap plays
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: disappear quickly. So I will say, yeah, be careful with
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Emmanuel Wilson because the higher that ownership gets, the worst
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: of a play is well whop.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Yesterday you had a phenomenal call on the Sunday Show
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: which was why would you just play Why would you
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: play Judkins and the Browns with the Browns on the
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Road and Dylan Gabriel when you can just flip it
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: and play Brisol and the Jets. Wonder if you could
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: do that here for two hundred bucks more and just
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: play Bigsby and maybe hope for this AK one stuff.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: And I mean it's two undred bucks, but on this
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: plate it looks like it could be four x the
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: ownership on Wilson over Bigsby. And there's other ways that
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: he could get there late in the game. All there's
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: there's a ton of different ways that could happen. On Showdown,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I think a swap like that is possible. I don't
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: know if you want to chime in on that. If not,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I'll kick it back over the title give his thoughts
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: on the situation.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: I think if if Wilson continues to get that ownership,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: if it continues to go up, I think you could
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: probably just make the case for just about anyone on
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: the slate, and that's like cheaper.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Like you know, we're just talking running back right now,
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: but when you get to like the wide receivers and
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: things like that, it's like we've seen this a lot
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: on Showdown where there's just like one clear value play
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: and it's it's I mean, it's a manual Wilson, right,
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's behind Josh Jacobs. It's not like he's
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: the starting running back and it's just a clear miss price.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: He's still behind uh Jacobs. He got seven touches last week,
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: he had two point seven Fantasy points last week. That's
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: probably I.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Mean that that's probably realistic.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Like if I like, I know some of these projection
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: sites have a higher but if I was going to project,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: if you gave an honest projection for Emmanuel Wilson tonight,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: like if you told me that, what what do you project.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Him to get?
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: I would say three point eight? Like I think that's
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: a fair number for a manual Wilson, like three point eight,
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: and that's the guy that's going to be the most
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: popular play, popular cheap play on the slate.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think title anything to add on
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: that stuff? I think it's definitely very interesting for this slate,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: and even like Kenny mentions in the high stake stuff,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: that's big boy ownership for a twenty six hundred dollars
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: value play, because there's not much else people want to
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: go to or take the risk on. Obviously, the more
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: lineups you have, the portfolio, et cetera, you can do
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: different things. That's why, Look, I got a entry in
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: the Mega tonight. I'm excited about my I'm excited about that,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: but I'm just as excited about the portfolio playing in
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: the twenty dollars because then you can cover some angles
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: and use your portfolio to your advantage with if you're
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: playing one lineup tonight, whether it's for four dollars, or
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: forty four dollars. It's not an exciting night to only
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: have one lineup, I can tell you that much.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Super difficult. Yeah, I mean it comes back to what
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: I said at the top of why I'm playing some
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Christian Watson and even Datavian Wicks and the like, and
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: why I prefer these packers because I get some more
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: savings off of the Eagles at even a little less
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: ownership most of the time, and I can avoid this
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: bottom range. Much like I'm gonna play Emmanuel Wilson. He's
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: gonna be a part of my portfolio. I'm definitely not
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: gonna lock him or do anything crazy. Yet there's nothing
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: really else I have to say in the sense of
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: just he's mega chalk relative to his projection and his
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: price and what you'd expect. But when comparing him to
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: everyone else down below, like you know he'll be on
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: the field and as a running back you get guaranteed touches,
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: guaranteed handoffs, doesn't mean he's gonna do something with it.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: Like comparing Tanks Big Bigsby to Manuel Wilson. Manuelilson's plus
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: four twenty five to score tink Bigsby's plus eighteen hundred
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: I mean that's a big boy difference. Now, when you
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: win like that four and a half X or whatever
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: that difference is, I mean, you're gonna probably win a
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: lot more than four and a half X if you
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: took out Wilson and played Tank in the exact lineup
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: a others. You can always get the Saquon injury or something.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's outs to it. Chris Brooks, Okay, you
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: want to direct pivot. Brooks has still got in a
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: little bit. He's right there. Wilson's two six, Brooks two four,
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: Tank two eight. But I'm not gonna lie. I mean,
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: the clear projection, the best play. The only guy with
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: the rushing prop, the better TV prop is Emmanuel Wilson.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: So this is nuts, dude. I just pulled it up too.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Naid's got us covered in the chat. I was gonna
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: say it verbally, and then he put it up for me.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I just looked this up. He's a twenty and a
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: half yeah, rushing prop. He's got almost a one and
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: a half, so it's a one a half reception prop
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and then a four and a half yard receiving prop.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: But still, yeah, three point eight, that's it.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I think that adds up.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: You got a bank, you got to bank, get a
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: little touchdown upside, so let's go four point four point
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: you were.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Closed without going over who but that was very close,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: very nice. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. So I mean,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: that'll be the thing. But one of the things I'll
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: say for sure then, you know, just going back to
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: your title in a second for running backs and stuff.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I mean we're on the same topic anyway. But that
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: speaks to the balance build, like if that comes through
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: for the four point eight and some people say, well,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I'll take that, but if it doesn't make everything else
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: go like it needs to. It's it's not like a
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: main where like the value makes so oh I risked
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: it on this defense so I could get Gibbs, a Chan,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: this and this in my lineup and it all worked out. Like, yeah,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: that's nice if you can make that happen. But on
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: a single game slate at four point eight, a lot
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: of people say I'll just take it. If I got it,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily mean it will make everything else work.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Depending on how this game plays out. It makes everything
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: fit different between difference between that going in and everything
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: mattering on the way out, which is when you need
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the actual numbers. So yeah, I think that makes interesting
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: stuff for the Musgrave, the Goddards, the Watson's of the world.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: If they are first of all what you need and
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: then you don't need them with the cheap option, that
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: could be something as well. Do you have anything else
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: on that or anything else you want to add it?
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: Running back title, Yeah, just it's a good point by Kenny,
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: Like I'm going into this with the assumption Golden's out,
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: Wix is in savi on I actually don't have quite
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: strong of a lead on, but like, yeah, if there's
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: no Savion and Golden, then maybe that ownership comes down
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: just a bit because you can play Leek Keith for
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: three K, which is four hundred more, so packers and
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: actives will be Like if all of them played, I
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: think you could see Emmanuel Wilson maybe be even higher
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: owned because then Heath and Sabian's projection might go down
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: a little bit. So definitely gonna be on the lookout
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: for these packers and actives regardless. Wilson I think will
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: be the highest doone even if they're ruled out at
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: worst second highest Stone if he gets all that steam.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: If they're out yeah, like I'm tank over will Shipley,
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: even because he's more expensive. He outouched him. When Saquon
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: got hurt, he looked better. It's still a dart throw
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: at best, Jacob Saquon. You know we've talked about them.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: So that's what I got.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let me just clarify real quick, Like, if you're
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: playing a bunch of lineups tonight, like you know all
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: of us are doing, yes, probably gonna have Emmanuel Wilson
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: in the player pool, not like you're gonna fully fade
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: them building one hundred and fifty teen if you are
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: handbuilding a few teams, right, if you're one team, if
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: you're doing single entry, and that ownership is going to
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: get that.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: High, because it is going to get that high.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Like I think I would try to build a team
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: differently than just playing Emmanuel Wilson. Other thing to consider
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: with Emmanuel Wilson, a lot of teams are gonna look
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: very similar when you play Emmanuel Wilson. No matter what
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: you do, leave sally around the table, whatever it may be,
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: Emmanuel Wilson teams are gonna be very very similar. So
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: that's just one thing I wanted to clarify. But yeah,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: if you're building one hundred and fifty team tonight. Yeah
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: he's gonna be in the pool for sure, but you know,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: be careful with with with you know how you plan.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, I agreed one hundred percent. And maybe what
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Kenny was saying is, if you know, save on Williams
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: could be Savior Williams if he plays tonight. And we
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: you know, don't have a forty percent owned Wilson or
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: a sixty percent on Wilson because it moves some things
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: around and makes it so that people can get different
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: in other places. But there are certainly a ton of
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: ways you can stay still play Wilson, to Hoop's point,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: when you have a full portfolio to be able to
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: do it, and Kenny's the person bringing it up right here,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: what if you run a five to one with Wilson
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: on the other side, and it's like most people are
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: using that to fit in the studs from both sides,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: and you just run something like that so that there's
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: definitely other ways to get different. Or you could use
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Wilson but have one of the captains like who mentioned Musgrave,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: and you have a different build with it with a
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: three to three instead of a four to two one
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: way or something like that where people might or a
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: different type of build. All I'm saying is there's other
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: ways that you can use these plays to try and
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: use them to your advantage if you see fit. But
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I'd be looking at the numbers, looking at the projections,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: looking at you know, if you have the contest sims,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: you can dig into some of that stuff to see
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: what works in your favor and what you're comfortable rolling with,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: especially if you only have one lineup. So think that's
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: definitely important. We will wait for the news. We're breaking
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: it down in a full If this then that scenario.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: With that said, hoop, I mean we can go to
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: the wide receivers a little bit. Do you want to
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: take on inning here? I mean, I think the biggest
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: conversation and we've danced around it. We mentioned a little
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: during the captain stuff, but as I don't hear anybody
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: talking about AJ Brown DeVonta Smith, it's will they still
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: get ownership? Of course, they're two of the best receivers
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: going and they're in this game, and so that's fair.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: But from a captain ownership, even a fleat like you
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: could see AJ Brown be less than forty owned total
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: on this slate, possibly across Captain and Flex and it
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: still is aj Brown like it could still be the case.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: So I mean that's why I like the Eagles guys.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: I mean for that reason, I do think they get
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: squeezed a little bit, especially when you start looking around and.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Say, man, there's not a lot of value.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: Do I want to spend nine thousand for these wide
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: receivers who have busted on a lot of slates this season?
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: So I like both those guys. Have told you I'm
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: playing them in the Captain feel good about that. You know,
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: the last guy for Philadelphia's Dotson, and you know I
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: would probably only play Dotson in Jalen Hurts Captain teams,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: you know, very very low floor and low ceiling, and
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: that's not a good combination for Showdown and the Packers
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: stuff is pretty contingent on who is in and who
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: is out. I mean, you got I think Watson probably
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: or not Watson, but the Golden you know everyone's.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Assuming is out. Is he for sure out? I guess
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: is a question.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: But yeah, no practices shoulder like it sounds surprising if
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: you would play.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So we need some clarity on that situation before
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: we can really like hammer down, like you know, who
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: the plays are. I guess this is one way where
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: some of the Manual Wilson ownership could come down, is
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: if some of these guys are ruled out and then
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: you know, Heath becomes a play or save you on
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: Williams is in and Wix is out, then he becomes
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: a play. So yeah, the you know, I know Kenny
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: had posted a comment about it in the chat, and yeah,
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: it's true that we kind of need to see what
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: happens with these Packers wide receivers because it kind of
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: it really does dictate a lot of what goes on
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: with the slate. If we have a couple super cheap
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Packers wide receivers that are now going to be in play,
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: that does pull some ownership away from the Manuel Wilson.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: If these guys are in, and.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: Then Manuel Wilson's the standalone, solid cheap play on the
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: slate and everyone's gonna go there. So we really need
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: to make sure you're around obviously for foreign actives, because
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: it really will dictate, you know, what we're looking to
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: do on the slate. Who are the cheap plays. If
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: we do get some of these cheap wide receivers to
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: emerge save Ian Williams Malie Keith, then we don't have
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: to worry about Emmanuel Wilson as much. So, you know,
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: regardless of that, Romeo Dobbs, I think a solid option
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: for sure, and I am you know, I told you
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: guys weren't sure what I was gonna doing captain with
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: some of these guys, I will add him to the pool.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: I do like him up top. Watson don't like as
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: much up top, but great in the flex. And then
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: if Wix is in forty four hundred is a very
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: very good price tag and he can he can play,
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: and he's produced, so need that info.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: If he's out, then we get some of these cheap guys.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: But yeah, this is the piece of news that we
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: kind of need to see at at inactives, and it
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: will dictate a lot lot of what goes on with
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: the slate.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the the chat's talking. Now, if this game goes
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: under and the points are smarts, does it usually does
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: it play out? The dst or kickers are a better foundation.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, the lower scoring the game, the more like
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: last night Prime example, the defenses can both be in
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: the mix until they're not. I mean it just happens
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: that way. They were both crushing it again, but two
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: slates before that, we've seen it a ton. I gotta say,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: what's up to our guy, Bobby g Bobby Gome's a
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: true legend out there in the chat. I know he
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: was up there. He's been up there a lot of
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: these showdowns slates lately, and I know he was up
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: there last night again another close call, but he's right
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: back to the grind the next day. That's how the
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: pros do it. So shut out to Bobby, and then
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: our man Bellman came in. I said, did he get
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: hacked again? He goes got hacked just in time to say,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Emmanuel Wilson is one of the worst plays I can
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: ever remember. He will score twice. That's good, that's why
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: you Yeah. But this is definitely the you know, the
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: thought process here. So for Mike and shut at the Dawn,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: who's joining us for the first time. We appreciate you.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: But this the case, Mike, if you've got it lower scoring,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: and that's the key, you know, you see that being
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: the way it plays out, it's usually drive stall, things stop,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: and so yes, kickers can come through in that spot
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: and then defenses can be more in the mix as well,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: because it could be sacks just to stop these drives
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: from rolling out. It could be scoops and get to
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: the other side, but no scoop and score, but then
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: it's you know, they're they're down again on that side.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: So it's all the type of you always got to
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: build and showdown sort of how you see the game
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: playing out and then what could make sense, especially if
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: you only have one lineup. It's it's better way to
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: do it. It's it's easier to do that to kind
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: of think of a game script and think of possibilities
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: of if you get it right, then this could pay off.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: And like title it says, it's not how much you win,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: it's how much. It's not how often you are right,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: it's how much you win when you are right. It's
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: another way to put it, and I think that's the
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: best way to look at it for this one as well.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: For the wide receivers. I just think it's interesting. Like
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Whop said the Dotson call, I think that one's good
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: if you if you have hurts up top, as he mentioned,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: that's where you could start to mix in the Browns
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: and the Smiths and everything like that more if you're
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: not playing them up Captain, you mix them into those
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: types of builds. But I don't know. Title. I want
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: to ask you this because you guys kind of broke
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: it down and we'll see what all plays out. Williams
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: was limited practice, by the way, for those asking Friday
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: and Saturday. He was limited practice, did not practice Thursday,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: but came back for the weekend Friday Saturday. See how
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: he goes. But just a note, what type of build
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: do you think is prevalent tonight? From a construction? Do
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: you think it's going to be heavier Eagles, captains heavier
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Packers are pretty split? And then do you think it's
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: more of a three to three because it is a
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: close game four to two? What are you seeing here tonight?
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: I'm thinking four to two Packers probably the most due
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: to the value on the packers' side, like the Wilson's
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: were talking about. Probably, I don't know. Captain might be close,
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: maybe more Eagles like Saquon Hurts. Just feels like the
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: two most comfortable names that click up top than Jordan
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: Love Josh Jacobs. You can maybe throw in that boat too,
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: But I think packers builds heavier due to more value
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: down below and just man like outside of Saquon Hurts,
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: and then you can pick the two receivers like these showdowns,
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: slates are always tough for the Eagles, that feels, and
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: the two receivers are almost all in. Smith and Brown
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: are almost always pretty low owned because a they're their
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: four ceiling combination. If the range of outcomes is so wide,
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: which is what you want when you play someone at captain.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: But we see a J. Brown get you two at
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: a high price and you're just stone dead. But yeah,
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: I'm thinking more Packers builds captain, probably more of the
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: Eagles two guys up top. And I mean I'm kind
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: of probably gonna be the same way, Like try and
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: build a five to one Eagles team. What are you
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: doing after you plug in Hurts Saquon in one of
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: the past, Like you know what I mean? They're also
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: priced up, so that's how I see it there, and
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: I just receiver position. I like the Packers receivers more.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: The props are bad for these Eagles guys. Their prices
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: are up. And as I talk through this and keep
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: saying it, I feel like I just have to bump
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: Saquon then I mean, they're gonna score points. If I
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: don't like the passing game as much, I feel like
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: I got to play someone, and I feel like I
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: should probably go up Onquon a little bit. But yeah,
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: the pack is like if if Wicks is ruled out
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: and I don't expect that, everything changes and it'd be
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: even more five to one Packers then because Heath and
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: save meon and this and that. So yeah, I'm on
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: the Packers' receivers more than the Eagles up.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just tying it together with something else. I
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: always getting these thoughts throughout hoop, and this is interesting.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: I wonder if Barkley and Jalen Hurts do get a
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: little more like not like there again, it's never a
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: big number. I'm not trying to say this, but like,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: one thing it's interesting is it's so much easier to
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: just build the Packer's side to titles point of like
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: a four to two, because you have Wilson already plugs
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: in with whoever your captain is, probably Jacobs, if not Love,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: you put Wilson in there, then you can pick a
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: receiver Dobbs or Watson Muskrave, Like, it's so easy to
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: go four two. But if people go, if they're not
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: going aj Brown and Devanta Smith very much up top,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: which we agree they're not, it's looking like ten to
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: fifteen percent combined. If you know, really is what we're
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: seeing up there, I wouldn't be surprised to see like
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: five and six even something like that eleven percent total.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: But then if people go hurts up top, you can
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: only get where are they going? Like you got to go,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: It's not as likely they're gonna put Barkley in it too.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: They will, but I'm saying not as likely, and they
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: don't seem to love Brown and Smith, and if they
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: did not both together?
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: Is this is this your segue into tight end?
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Well that's Rodard, maybe it's got her. Yeah, seventy four got.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: To be God? Yeah, So what do you think?
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I like Goddard, so yeah, I would
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: like that. I'd like that sort of building.
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: I do agree with you, and a lot of this,
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: you know now that we went through wide receiver is
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: contingent on what happens again back to that same point
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: with the packers pass catchers and how much value we
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: have on the slate. If we get more value outside
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: of Emmanuel Wilson and and Wicks. Then I think you
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: would see Jalen Hurts and Saquon Barkley become more popular
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: up top because there's just more ways to build it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: If we don't get any more value, I think, you know,
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: people are going to be forced to go away from that.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: But again, if you are going the Hurts up top,
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be hard as it stands now not I mean,
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: you can make it work, but it's going to be
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: less likely for people to be able to pair it
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: with those expensive Eagles guys. So maybe it is just Goddard.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: What ownership are we showing on Godard? We have it
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: at one ty, so pretty low. Yeah, you know, I
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: think it would be I think it's probably higher than that.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: It is going to come in higher than that is
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: my is my guest. But you know, for me personally,
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: I think I'm fine going you know, Hurts up top
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: and and Goddard as the pass catcher. I mean it's
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: a touchdown heavy sport and Goddard has been you know,
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: primary targeted his in the in the red zone, you know,
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: close to the goal line.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: So I'm good with the Goddard stuff.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: Musk Gray is probably my favorite play on the slate,
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: regardless of what happens with the Packers pass catcher news.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, I just think he's a legit tight end.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: I think he's a solid receiving tight end. Fifty four hundred.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: I think he's got a lot of different ways to
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: get there, and you can get a lot of catches tonight.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: I think you can get you know, multiple tight ends.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: So I'm definitely in a musk Fitzpatrick. You can throw
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: him into the cheap tight end stuff. And that's it's
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: just those three. Grant kelcntaras getting a number we haven't projected.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: At one and a half.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: Like I just I don't think I'll be getting there
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: all that much, So just gonna be those other three.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: But Musgrave is definitely my favorite.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Oh buddy, I'm about to hit my Dan Campbell fistbump
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: right now. I just got the best one in a
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: long time. It is the Milli Maker Musgrave. We talked
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: about the Milliemaker mustache. Can't put it all together, Musa Musgrave.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Put this thing in the grave and bury it after
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: we win the Millie Maker with Musgrave. Oh Man Luke tonight.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Luke is the boy man We're gonna get this guy
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: up top. Eighty one hundred bucks. Balance build man, I'm
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: feeling it. Title this is good. Hoop just talked me
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: into it. I like Musgrave. I think that's a way
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: to go tonight. I like Goddard obviously the other side,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: but what are you doing here at the tight end position?
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: And then any other thoughts.
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Musgrave is receiving prop is twenty eight
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: half three and a half reception, a little juice on
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: the under, but he's definitely fine. Fifty four hundred. Can
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: you see him outscoring DeVante Smith or aj Brown? There
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: is games where he can do that, And if you
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: do that, you can leave a lot of money on
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: the table. So when people ask, you can always leave
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: money and showdown. I can see that happening, and if
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: it does happen, he can win a lot of money.
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I like him. I like Fitzpatrick and the
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: reason I mean I don't like I have to like
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: Fitzpastor for the nature of this slate. If I hate
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: every other punt down below, like Will Shipley and Xavier
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: Gibson and Chris Brooks and Tank Bigs being all this,
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: if I want to play others not named Emmanuel Wilson.
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: Don't get twisted. If Savian Williams is in at two K,
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: people know he's my boy. He will be played on
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: my team. I will like him. But if he's out,
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: it makes it even more like they run some two
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: tight end sets. He was getting catches when Tucker Craft
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: was in. All it takes from these guys down below.
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: And I don't like Grant Calkintara. But if you tell
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: me Grant Calcintara's on the winner, I'm telling you it's
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: probably seventy five K plus one touchdown from these guys
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: down below, and the tight end heavy formation, play action,
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: random stuff happens. I think I might want to like
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: if you don't want to play Emmanuel Wilson. It feels
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: like you come to the tight end room and you
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: can play some some cheapish pieces and just hope they
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: fall in the box once.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, the chat man is a good time in here.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: So what else? Who have you got anything else you
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: want to talk about? Kickers and d's uh okay, where
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: I sorry to cut you off? Back off, I kicked
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: it to you, but I gotta say this. Someone mentioned
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: it about the main slate I don't know if you
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: saw like two tight end lineups were astronomical this past week,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: because clearly they worked in week nine, you got to
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: play in week ten and we had limited value. So
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: it's just making fun of it at the same time.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: But I did notice on the ownership projections today the
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: double D is picking up steam now, like both defenses
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: are picking up ownership heavily.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: So what do you think, Well, I mean, the one
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: thing the last two Primetime games have been you know, defenses,
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: and you know, I'm and it does make me believe
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: that people are going to play them at a higher
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: clip for that reason. And then you factor in their
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: cheap price tags on a slate where we don't have
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: a ton of cheap plays, they're just going to naturally
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: get filtered into lineups. You know, I'll just be rolling
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: whatever I get there. Don't necessarily love either of them. Kickers, Yeah,
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: definitely prefer the kickers. McManus Elliott good with either. Nothing
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: nothing crazy for me for a kicker and D.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think title the thing else. The chat
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: was definitely talking a lot about this Eagles D at
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: just thirty eight hundred, trying to figure that out. But
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: it actually looks like the Packers d could be where
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: people end up, just because again, once you already have
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: the four Packers in there, Like we talked about earlier,
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: how easy it is to get to that in your bill.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: If you have a Packers Captain and three others in there,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: maybe just go to the pack.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: People always like the home defense, especially if they're favored
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: by even just a little bit, like they'll always lean
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: that way.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I think you're right.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to think about. What do you
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: think title anything else?
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: There no hot takes at a Kickers and these always
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: will be mixing some in Ken Brandon McManus el scored
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: DeVante Smith or aj Brown maybe in certain builds. I mean,
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: if you're building, especially handbuilding, tell yourself what kind of
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: story you're you're doing with that. But yeah, they're they're
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: in the mid range. And when you go below these
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: Kickers and Defense, we talk, we keep preaching how uncomfortable
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: it gets, and if you don't want to play Emmanuel Wilson,
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: they fit more balanced builds.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: See what's this?
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: We got no other updates that I've seen yet on
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: this coming in.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: I was just checking to see.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing else that we've got so far, So anything
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: on fandul hoop, any anything else you saw for Fandel.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a couple pricing discrepancies. AJ Brown's up to
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: ten to six and DeVonta Smith is nine to four,
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: so like a twelve hundred dollars difference there.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Musgrave at fifty.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: I think it is a cheap play Wix. So if
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: Wix is an he's twenty eight hundred on fan Duel
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: versus the forty was it forty four? I think on
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: on DK somewhere in that range, So that's a big
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: drop off. Tank Bigsby for some reason, it's like forty
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: six hundred on fan to Duel, so he has like
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: a real price tag and Shipley's like forty eight. So
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: these guys are just like slightly cheaper than musk Grave,
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: which is, you know, really bad price tags. Why would
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: they why like, why the hell would they be up.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: There case with the growing because this groin and got hurt.
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: They just wanted if they were out, let's not have
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: them free the back Jones mistake at one K. I
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: don't think they want to do that again.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so that definitely makes sense.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: So that's the reason.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: I mean then just totally unplayable, but then we'll have
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: to see what happens, like Savan Williams fourteen hundred, Heath
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: twenty four. But the main thing is Wix for sure
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: at twenty eight hundred. Here's our boy, Emanuel man he is.
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: He's thirty six, like Wicks is the Emmanuel Wilson on FanDuel.
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, I mean Wilson, you'll still get
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: a chunk of ownership at thirty six, but Wix being cheaper,
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's definitely gonna be the go to guy there.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean, I guess big difference between Hurts
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: and Love you're looking at it's at eighteen hundred between
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: Hurts and Love. Hurts eighteen hundred dollars more expensive, Jacob's
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: and Barkley more expensive than Jordan Love. So I guess
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: relative to you know, the scoring and the DK prices,
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: Jordan Love is kind of underpriced.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: That's over here on FanDuel as well.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was seeing. Is also I don't
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: see too much else. They're titled you to see anything
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: else you want to add?
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: No, yeah, who covered it? Well? The Wick stuff's big Wicks,
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: I mean Wilson was will definitely still get owned, but
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: the combination of Wicks and Emmanuel Wilson ownership will be
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: through the roof. Like if you pivot to a savon
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: Who's cheaper Calcntaro's cheaper Dots and cheaper Keith, assuming that
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: Golden's out and the other two are in Chris Brooks Fitzpatrick,
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: Like if you play anyone else and it's not those
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: two on the Winner, Like, you could see a big
• 56:12
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• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could see a double tight end spot here too.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: You could see the Goddard and Musgrave. I was just
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: looking at some options there as well. That could be
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: something if you're not on the other guys anyway, Like
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: you know, if you're not wanting to figure out the
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Packers wide receiver room and you're not wanting to you know,
• 56:30
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• 56:33
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