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Episode 116: The Seven Deadly Sins as Star Wars Characters · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there. It's time for most things
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  Kenobi. Hi everyone, Welcome to another
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  episode of Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and
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  all things Star Wars. I'm your host, Leanne.
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  And I'm your host, Lauren, and this week we're doing something
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  a little different, but it's very fun.
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  I I had fun putting together my list.
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  Yeah, I did too. This is interesting.
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  We're doing the seven Deadly Sins but assigning them to
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  characters in Star Wars, and we're going to talk about why we
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  chose them. Now, we don't know each other's
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  list. We don't know who we chose.
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  I'm sure we'll have overlaps because as I was going through
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  these, there are multiple characters who could be all of
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  these. Yes.
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  And then I was trying to assign like lesser known or less less
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  popular or less recognizable characters as some of these.
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  And they were hard because they could be interchangeable.
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  Because you know, when you're evil, you're just evil.
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  Well, and a lot of like people who are quote UN quote bad guys
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  have a lot of these characteristics.
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  Like it's kind of they all kind of overlap a little bit is what
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  I was starting to see. So shall we explain what the
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  sins? Are like what's the kind of
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  background of it? A little bit, yes, for sure.
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  All right, so for those of you who don't know, according to
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  Wikipedia, that's just the easiest.
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  It was the least convoluted definition that I could find for
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  this. Yes, this actually.
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  Historically speaking, there are many variances of what these
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  seven deadly sins are. Yes.
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  I didn't realize that when we first started talking about it.
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  It's like I wasn't like deeply familiar, but I'd heard of it,
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  right. And then you started to read
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  some of it to me like some of the history.
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  And I was like, I had no idea it was this.
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  There were this many variations of it.
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  And so we're just going to do like a concise.
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  Version of it and I think what is this based on?
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  Is it like a Catholic thing or yeah, it's Christian, but there
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  are multiple religions that have a variance of it.
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  They're otherwise known as vices, or, you know, the
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  cardinal sins, like the things you there.
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  What it really is, is a group of behaviors that are more extreme.
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  So you can be one of these. You can have characteristics of
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  each of these sins or vices, but it's the extreme right is what
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  makes them deadly. So if you go overboard with with
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  any of like the base sin, then they're considered the like
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  capital vice? Yes, that's what I remember
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  researching also. And so we're just going to say
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  this up front too. We're not discussing this in
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  terms of like trying to promote any religious dogma it.
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  We're thinking of it more as like mythology and philosophy
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  and just kind of like taking a rubric and just kind of
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  exploring that in a Star Wars environment.
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  So 100%, yeah. OK, so according to Wikipedia,
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  the Seven Deadly Sins, also known as the Capital Vices or
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  Cardinal sins, is a grouping and classification of vices within
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  Christian teachings. But like you said, it kind of
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  shows up in other teachings as well.
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  According to the standard list, they are pride, Greed, wrath,
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  envy, Lust, Gluttony and Sloth. Which are contrary to the seven
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  capital virtues, which we might do in another episode.
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  Right. We kind of, yeah.
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  Because when we were going through and doing the the
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  capital vices, capital virtues came up and I started thinking
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  about those. And so did you like, you started
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  to see like the opposite. And so I think we may do like a
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  Part 2 to this episode where we talk about the virtues.
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  I think that would be fun because there's.
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  What I kind of started to realize while making this list
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  is there's not that many female baddies in Star Wars.
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  No. Well, there's baddies, but not
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  bad characters, right? Not evil because technically a
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  baddie is like a badass, right? Is that what the kids say?
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  Yeah, I guess maybe I'm showing my age.
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  I don't know. They were definitely more male
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  villains. Than for female villains, I'll
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  say. And I'm sure the virtues.
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  There are more females with virtues in Star Wars.
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  It just clicked in my mind while I was doing research that kind
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  of became apparent. So it also says these sins are
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  often thought of to be abuses or excessive versions of one's
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  natural faculties or passions. For example, Glutton abuses
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  one's desire to eat. So like what you said.
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  They're not. It's not just the act of doing
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  it, it's the extremeness of these quote UN quote sins.
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  Yeah, any of these in excess for an excessive period of time, I
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  would say. Yes.
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  What I did is I then looked through the definition of each
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  sin and just kind of like read more of the detail and allowed
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  the character to kind of come to mind for me instead of.
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  Trying to force a character in. So that's the way I approached
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  it. About how did you how did you
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  come up with your list? Well, I I did something similar.
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  I had the first person that came to mind.
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  I wrote him down and then I tried to think who outside the
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  box also fits this. So I kind of have one or two for
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  each of these. Yeah, I do too.
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  I have like a primary person and then some others.
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  Yeah, I want to say right up front, Palpatine Invader could
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  be all of these. Yes, I had that, except for
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  sloth because. Sloth was hard.
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  Sloth is definitely the hardest one, especially in Star Wars,
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  because everyone's so motivated. Yeah, even the bad, bad guys
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  quote, UN quote, have energy to do stuff.
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  So. Yes, Yeah, I know that was
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  interesting. Yeah, Sloth was the hardest.
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  I think my most prominent character is Palpatine.
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  He's on here three times, could be on here 7 times so.
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  But wherever Palpatine is, I picked another because he's just
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  the embodiment of the seven vices.
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  He's just terrible. Exactly.
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  So do you want to? Shall we start with pride?
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  Do you want to read the definition of pride?
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  So pride is actually very interesting.
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  It's considered the original and the worst of the seven deadly
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  sins on almost every list and is considered the most demonic.
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  Let that sit in. Oh my God.
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  Demonic, Yeah and pride has been labeled the mother of all sins
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  and has been deemed the devil's most essential traits.
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  Oh my God. Okay.
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  But if you think about it, it says you're the position in
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  which the ego and the self are directly opposed to chastity.
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  You know, the the things that makes one humble.
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  There's a lot of, you know, spiritual talk, but pride is
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  basically it goes before destruction, a haughty spirit
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  before the fall. Pride blinds, causes foolish
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  actions against common sense. It is described as hubris how
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  leaders with great power over many years become more and more
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  irrationally selfconfident and contemptuous of advice, leading
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  them to act impulsively. So interesting, I know.
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  So with that in mind, I have chosen Anakin.
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  He's my #2. Is he your number two?
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  I am. Listen, and I don't want to say
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  Vader. I want to say Anakin.
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  Yes. Yes.
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  Based on that definition, where advice is no longer a thing,
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  you're too selfconfident. Like irrationally.
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  So you act impulsively. That's Anakin to me.
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  It is also Vader. But pride is what led him to
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  fall into the other sins that we're going to talk about.
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  So that's why he's my number one for pride.
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  Yeah, I put Grievous. I have Grievous on this list.
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  I have two others that are really tied for the for grievous
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  but grievous kid of mine first, because he's so yes.
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  Like, obviously prideful, always talking about how he's superior
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  and yes. And of course doesn't want to
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  listen to anybody telling him what to do or giving him any
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  advice whatsoever. He he's just, he doesn't want to
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  hear it, basically. Yeah, you know who my #2 is, and
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  I'm still unsure about this. Saguerrera.
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  Oh, yeah. Oh, I think that absolutely
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  makes sense, yes. He doesn't want to hear it from
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  anyone else. It's exactly the same.
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  Yes, he's driven by impulse a lot of the times he does think
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  about things, but he's driven by like personal gain, almost
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  personal vendettas. He's proud of what he's done.
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  And what he's done is not great a lot.
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  And he comes from a place of, you know, somebody owes me
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  something because this happened and while it's kind of clouded,
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  you know, as like I'm doing it for the greater good, it's
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  driven a lot by pride, self-confidence misplaced
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  almost. Refuses to accept any second
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  guesses. You know, like he he does a
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  thing and he just, that was what I had to do and doesn't stop to
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  question whether or not it was right or wrong.
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  Yes, So I put him down. Yeah, I completely agree with
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  that. I hate to do that because his
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  character's so interesting and I want to root for him in a way.
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  Yes, I think that's the the the so Guerrera trap, right?
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  Because, right? You want him to do good, like
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  because he's strong and he's a really interesting character,
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  but it's hard to root for him because he's he.
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  Exists in the Gray area a lot where you can kind of be like,
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  ooh, I don't think that was actually a good thing that you
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  just did, right? Right.
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  That's kind of why I enjoy him. I think he's he's he's kind of
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  like an unreliable narrator because he believes the the
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  bullshit he tells himself absolutely.
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  He believes it so strongly, we want to believe it.
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  But then if you start to think about it, you're like, no, this
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  is wrong about this ain't right. Yeah, No.
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  Yeah. Anyway, that's that's pride for
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  me. My #2 besides, like Anakin is
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  really. I'm tied between chronic and
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  Tarkin. OK, I also thought of them, but
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  I put them in a different actually, I don't have Tarkin on
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  my list anywhere, but I do have Chronic.
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  Kronick could also kind of be all of this.
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  I have him in a few spots, but Kronick is so prideful the way
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  he and Tarkin talk to each other.
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  And like Tarkin, his pride in the Clone Wars is you just want
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  to punch him, right? It's infuriating.
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  It's it's like you're on my last nerve with this shit.
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  Shut up. You know?
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  Exactly. But he also is someone who
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  believes his own bullshit. Yes, absolutely.
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  I love it. Those are good choices.
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  Pride. Think about this.
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  If this is the worst of the worst, these people need to
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  reevaluate their lives. Grievous.
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  They're too prideful. The only human part of Grievous
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  now is his brain, I think. Right, that's it.
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  And it chose pride. And it's part I think no.
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  Shall we do greed? Shall we move on?
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  Yeah. Greed is next.
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  Yes. OK, so the definition I see for
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  greed or avarice is an insatiable desire for material
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  gain, be it food, money, land, or animate inanimate possessions
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  or social values such as status or power.
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  Greed has been identified as undesirable throughout known
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  history because it creates behavior conflict between
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  personal and social goals. Yes, yes.
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  So there could be a lot of people in this one.
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  Yes, my number one for greed is Sidious.
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  Honestly. Same.
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  I have him. Yep.
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  He's my number one for power. His greed for power.
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  Yes, there is nothing that satisfies him.
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  Except for that constant striving for more.
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  Like even when he gets more, it's not enough.
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  So he has to get more and and insane.
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  He's insatiable, and that is one of the words here, an insatiable
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  desire that means that it can never be satisfied.
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  And that to me is Sidious completely, although I do have
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  Dooku on here as well. But like, really, Sidious made
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  Dooku, so you know, they can go together.
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  So Sidious was mine, obviously. My second one, I I thought this
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  was a little interesting and I I think of greed in the terms of
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  bounty hunters. So I put CAD Bane down because
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  he has only one goal and that's to get whatever he's working
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  for. He wants the money, he wants the
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  title. So I put CAD down.
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  That's awesome. I love that now he's nowhere
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  near as insatiable as Palpatine slash Sidious.
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  He Sidious is like the top of the top for greed.
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  Yeah, I mean, but in in like a lower tier CAD Bane is on there.
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  He'll go to any length to get what he thinks he deserves or
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  what the payment is. Yeah, the payment is never
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  enough. It it and like he never wants
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  anything else. He just wants to do that, you
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  know? It's like there is nothing that
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  could tempt him to let go of. He's like a dog with a bone,
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  right? Like once he has a bounty he's
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  going after. You're not gonna get him to stop
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  until he's done his job. You know, it's yes, that's a
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  good choice. That was very interesting.
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  Shall we move on to wrath? Yes.
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  And now just say I'm there's a lot of people here at my house,
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  so you'll probably hear a lot of background coming and going and
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  like the air conditioner's going because it's 100 degrees.
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  So sorry for the noise on my end of the recording this time
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  around Life, Yeah. Alright, so wrath.
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  Wrath can be defined as uncontrolled feelings of anger,
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  rage, and hatred. Wrath often reveals itself in
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  the wish to seek vengeance. So this is beyond like being
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  angry. This is beyond feeling like a
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  normal emotion. Anger is a normal human emotion.
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  This is rage, hatred, vengeance, excessive punishment.
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  So that to me is 110% Mr. Darth Vader.
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  Yes, as we saw the Kenobi series, he's very distracted by
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  his need for vengeance. I mean the quote here in the
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  definition. If anger reaches the point of
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  deliberate desire to kill or seriously wound a neighbor, it
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  is gravely against charity and thus a mortal sin.
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  Yeah, so. I mean, he's just killing people
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  for show in the Kenobi Show to draw Kenobi out, yeah.
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  And it's all based in his desire to punish Obi Wan for what
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  happened and. You know who else you could be
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  describing with all of this is Mall.
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  He's my second on the list because he lives in Wrath.
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  Dude, Vader and mall were both renegading at the same time.
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  They could have joined the forces and gone after Obi went
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  together. Well don't forget mall has said
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  I think it was in Rebels. When I think is it Ezra that
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  asked him who Vader is or who and and and mall says who I
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  should have been. I'm pretty sure that's what Mall
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  says and he's mad that he didn't get to be the main like, killer
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  for Sidious. I know it got replaced multiple
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  times. I mean correct me if I'm wrong,
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  but I'm pretty sure that was Rebels.
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  Somebody asked him and he's he was all like self loathing and
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  stuff. I I I see him in my mind in that
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  Cape with the hood up, and he said who I should have been.
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  I feel like we have a listener out there who would probably
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  know better than I would. But yeah, you out there, Kevin.
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  Let me know. Kevin, we know.
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  You know, let me know Rebecca too.
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  For Wrath I have Kylo Red Ohh yes, yes, yes, yes.
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  Yes, because to me he is powerful.
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  But he's so angry and like, so like he hates Luke so much that
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  he becomes like mall where he's too singleminded, where he can't
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  even focus because he's so mad. When I when I was trying to
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  think like outside the box, like he was like, that was the first
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  person I thought of was Kylo because of his, again, like an
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  insatiable desire to create pain.
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  Yeah. Think about in The Last Jedi
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  when him and the the giant at ATS and they're all lined up in
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  front of Luke who's just standing there and create and
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  he's like fire. Kill him and he's just like
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  losing his fucking mind. He's like, spitting.
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  He's so angry. First of all, amazing
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  performance. Adam Driver once again, because
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  in that moment, holy shit. Terrified of Kylo Ren.
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  Adam Driver, It was just that's wrath, dude.
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  That's unhinged. So envy is next.
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  Is that right? Envy is an emotion which occurs
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  when a person lacks another's quality, skill, achievement or
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  possession and either desires it or wishes that the other lacked
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  it so. It's wanting.
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  It's like a mixture of not just envy, but like jealousy as well.
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  So it's like you want it, and if you can't have it, you don't
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  want anyone else to have it either, correct?
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  So who do you have? I have Cyril.
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  Interesting. Because he is so preoccupied
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  with even like there's a bit of there's an obsession with
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  Cassian. There's that moment where he's
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  like, sitting in this bedroom just looking at Cassian's
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  hologram, because this is the man who, like, ruined him.
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  But he also, it's like, it's almost a little bit envious to
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  me. Not just like an obsession with
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  wanting to catch him, but like, because he has some sort of
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  command in his life, even though that's a misconception.
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  Because Cassian doesn't. But that's how Cyril kind of
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  sees him. He hates that there's a person
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  snubbing their nose, you know, at the Empire.
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  I don't know. I just.
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  And you see him sitting at his desk and being insignificant,
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  you know, and like, oh, I just, yeah, yeah.
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  He sits and stares at Cassie. And I can almost hear him
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  thinking, What makes this guy so great?
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  Yes. Oh my God.
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  Yes. Yes, absolutely.
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  Why does everybody want to? What's with this guy?
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  Why can't I be this guy? How come he can command a bunch
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  of rebels to do El Donny and I can't even keep my job?
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  Yeah, like that. That breeds all the other, all
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  these other vices. Like when you fall, when you
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  start falling into that trap. So for envy, I have Kylo Ren.
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  Oh it, Yeah. Just because, I mean, he wants
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  to be Vader and can't. He wants he doesn't want to be
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  his father, and he hates that he is.
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  Deep down inside, he doesn't want to be.
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  I mean he wants to have all of that power and prestige and have
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  a name that like that precedes him, you know, And he's just
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  falls short every single time because there is good in him,
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  which we end up seeing. There's a lot of envy there,
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  envy of his, even the Resistance, they're together and
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  he can't keep it together and he's got.
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  I don't know. He's a mess, and I think a lot
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  of it is based in envy when he is in the role of Kylo Ren.
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  I think that's true because when you're envying other people,
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  you're not even focused on yourself.
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  Exactly. How could you possibly improve
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  when all you want is what's over there instead of making what you
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  can out of what you have here? And his anger was so displaced
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  onto Luke and then Ray. Like learning from Luke?
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  Yeah, it just created this shit show in his head.
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  He was so upset and envious that Ray had Luke and Anakin's
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  lightsaber and he thought he deserved it.
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  Yeah, and again, in spring rage like that belongs to me, you
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  know? Yeah, like he wanted these
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  things and he always fell short. And he hated Ray for like,
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  taking what he thought he deserved.
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  It's fucking crazy, dude. I'm so glad Ben Solo prevailed,
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  because I also have. Who?
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  Go ahead, you go ahead. I was gonna say Cranic.
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  Yes, Cranic was another one. I had on this my list.
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  He's just, he's just envious of everyone around him.
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  He same reasons he wants to be closer to Vader, closer to
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  Sidious. He wants Tarkin out of the way.
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  He wants his. Comeuppance.
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  He wants to be known as that worked because of me.
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  Are you are you gonna make sure everyone knows it's me?
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  Because, you know, and he, he just wants, wants, wants and
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  doesn't. Yeah, I do think Pride and Envy
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  go together very well. They do.
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  They do, and Frenick makes a lot of sense.
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  With Dad, I had MAF Gideon as Envy.
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  That's an that's an excellent one.
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  I didn't even think of him. That's an excellent one, because
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  he's constantly, I feel like he's a bit obsessed with the
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  dark Saber and Mandalorians, and it's like, why?
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  Not to crush them, but to like, possess what they have to like
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  take what they have for himself, like to want the dark Saber and
• 22:56
  to want to like learn about the Mandalorians so that he can.
• 23:01
  I don't know, there was just something about it that's more
• 23:03
  than just like an A member of the Empire trying to wipe out
• 23:06
  the the Mandalorians. It was like a person trying to
• 23:10
  like cultural appropriation is kind of what it felt like with
• 23:13
  him. Yeah, totally.
• 23:15
  Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one.
• 23:16
  I didn't think of him. I had Tim Carlo, which is the
• 23:19
  boyfriend, the ex-boyfriend of Bix.
• 23:21
  Oh yeah. Absolutely, for the obvious
• 23:24
  reasons. I mean, yeah, so insecure.
• 23:27
  Yeah. I mean, wouldn't you be insecure
• 23:30
  if your girlfriend was talking to D?
• 23:33
  150% I'd be worried, sorry. Tim with two M's, but you're on
• 23:41
  the list with Envy. Like I said before, he's a lower
• 23:45
  tier envy compared to like Kylo and Cranic and and MOF Gideon
• 23:50
  and yeah, but still, he's. On there, he really makes sense.
• 23:55
  He lost his life because of it. Yes, he did.
• 23:57
  It was so actually I felt kind of sorry for him.
• 24:01
  He didn't realize he was playing with fire.
• 24:03
  Like he just was so naive. OK, the next one is lust.
• 24:09
  This is it. Interesting, because I think a
• 24:11
  lot of people think of lust as one thing, but it means a lot
• 24:15
  more, yes? Lush, Lush is different.
• 24:20
  Lush is different. Lust or lechery is intense,
• 24:27
  longing, so hard period. After that it is usually thought
• 24:33
  of as intense or unbridled sexual desire, which may lead to
• 24:36
  other things. Oftentimes it could mean other
• 24:39
  forms of unbridled desires, such as money or power.
• 24:44
  Lust is generally thought of as the least serious capital sin.
• 24:47
  I would like to know why. Yeah, it's kind of borderline
• 24:50
  envy. Yeah, Thomas Aquinas considers
• 24:54
  it an abuse of a faculty that humans share with animals and
• 24:58
  sins of the flesh, which are less grievous than spiritual
• 25:01
  sins. OK, thanks Thomas.
• 25:03
  But like it's on this list for a reason.
• 25:06
  Well, and something I read said lust is also you have something
• 25:10
  and you want more of what you already have.
• 25:14
  So it's not even just like I just really want stuff.
• 25:17
  It's like you already have it and it's not satisfying you like
• 25:20
  you need more. Yeah, it becomes an obsession.
• 25:23
  It's an obsession of whatever, you know. dot dot, dot.
• 25:27
  My only person on this list is Sidious.
• 25:30
  Interesting. I have Anakin.
• 25:33
  Do you? Well, they hand in hand, peas in
• 25:37
  a pod. Peas in a pod, not an escape
• 25:43
  pod. I think of that now.
• 25:45
  Instead of an actual Peapod, I think of escape pods.
• 25:51
  You know you're obsessed with Star Wars.
• 25:53
  Exactly. Obiwan even says your lust for
• 25:56
  power has already done that. You know, like I and Anakin says
• 26:01
  I want more and I know I shouldn't.
• 26:04
  Yes, yes, yes. And that's different than greed.
• 26:09
  It is, yeah. That to me is like a sign of
• 26:12
  lust. But specifically because he has
• 26:15
  power. He is the most powerful Jedi,
• 26:18
  apparently, so I've been told. I mean, but he wanted to stop
• 26:23
  death, yeah. And even if that was possible,
• 26:27
  would that even be enough for him?
• 26:30
  No, he'd find another. He'd find another reason to be.
• 26:33
  It's like treating a symptom right instead of treating the.
• 26:37
  So it's like that fear of loss is still going to be there.
• 26:40
  Yeah. So, yeah.
• 26:43
  And I also had thron on there. Oh my goodness, yes, yes.
• 26:49
  But his is so. If you compare it to Sidious and
• 26:53
  Anakin, who are very obvious with it, right Thron is like the
• 26:58
  cool, calm undercurrent that's always lusting for more.
• 27:02
  But it's not so outwardly apparent because he enjoys the
• 27:06
  process, he. Does.
• 27:08
  He's fucking crazy, but we love him for it.
• 27:12
  He reminds me of like, if you're in school and there's like a
• 27:15
  genius kid in class who's just bored all the time, he's smarter
• 27:20
  than the teacher. Oh my God, that's perfect.
• 27:24
  That's thron to me. He's back.
• 27:27
  He's in the back of the class, tapping his pencil, going.
• 27:30
  Can we move on, please? Yeah, I knew this.
• 27:33
  I knew this four years ago. Let me teach the class, yes.
• 27:39
  What's interesting about Thron is that he doesn't exude like
• 27:44
  Wrath or Yes. Envy all that much he has a
• 27:48
  good. Self-control button that he
• 27:52
  presses, where the other ones don't even acknowledge that they
• 27:56
  have any self-control, they just let it fly.
• 27:59
  Yes, he's not emotional. And that's what makes Thrawn
• 28:02
  frightening. I agree.
• 28:04
  It's totally scary when a person is angry or like threatening you
• 28:10
  while not screaming at you. That is to me.
• 28:14
  I actually wrote this in one of my fix that's I'm like releasing
• 28:18
  right now. The cast in deliberately chooses
• 28:20
  not to yell because people stop listening when you yell.
• 28:23
  Absolutely. It's way more effective to keep
• 28:27
  them guessing and wondering and keep that fear going than to
• 28:31
  have an outward display of, like, anger or yes, any of these
• 28:35
  things we've talked about. That to me is throng like in a
• 28:38
  nutshell. Yeah.
• 28:41
  Do you ever hear him like in Rebels, at least?
• 28:44
  Because I don't remember in the books.
• 28:45
  I don't think he ever raises his voice, I don't think.
• 28:47
  He's ever, ever shown a lack of control. self-control.
• 28:51
  Yeah, ever. Like there's no cracks.
• 28:54
  Ever. It's crazy.
• 28:56
  But if it is, it's internal. He's thought it or experienced
• 29:00
  it and then told himself don't show it.
• 29:04
  He's a thinker, not a displayer. OK, so we are up to gluttony.
• 29:11
  So gluttony is Latin for like to gulp down or swallow, and it
• 29:19
  means overindulgence and overconsumption of food or drink
• 29:23
  specifically. So it is very specific to
• 29:26
  actually ingesting things. I had trouble with this.
• 29:30
  I was going to say I was pretty sure we have the same person or
• 29:32
  character for this. Well, I took it more
• 29:35
  symbolically. Oh, OK.
• 29:38
  I mean, if we're talking about ingestion, ingesting, then we
• 29:42
  probably have the same person, but if we talk about it in a
• 29:45
  more symbolic sense, I have a different answer.
• 29:48
  So mine is Java, obviously. Same, same, same, same.
• 29:53
  I mean, he is excessively gluttonous.
• 29:56
  Yeah, I guess the huts in general are just consumers of
• 30:01
  lives, even they'll just they have no problem taking slaves
• 30:07
  and eating. Throwing them away.
• 30:10
  Yes, exactly. Like you said, it's not they
• 30:13
  are. They're overtly gluttonous where
• 30:15
  you see them like eating constantly.
• 30:17
  Job is always drinking and belching and all this but.
• 30:20
  Then smoking and whatever, he's just a he's those are all vices
• 30:24
  that he over. He overdoes, yes.
• 30:27
  And they they've said to that originally job at the Hut was
• 30:31
  supposed to be a man and then was supposed to have like a
• 30:35
  disease that turned him into this thing.
• 30:38
  But then they kind of changed it so that huts were a species.
• 30:42
  So they're like giant space slugs, basically.
• 30:44
  But like, yeah, like, I think it's very interesting.
• 30:49
  They're always just completely overindulging and they always
• 30:52
  have like girls in bikinis all over the place and.
• 30:57
  It's like. The embodiment of all the other
• 31:00
  sins, but like externally and going overboard with all of
• 31:03
  them? Yes.
• 31:05
  Did you have a nontraditional? I did.
• 31:09
  I had the Empire as a whole. They.
• 31:13
  Swallow entire communities. They discard entire planets.
• 31:19
  They pillage for minerals and things they can use and then
• 31:24
  discard it. They eat up their own people and
• 31:27
  discard them. They just swallow their own
• 31:31
  whole, and they always want more.
• 31:33
  They're never satisfied. So as a symbolic I have the
• 31:38
  Empire I. Love the Luttons?
• 31:41
  I think that's brilliant and 100% spot on.
• 31:44
  Thanks. I just wrote the Empire.
• 31:47
  That's all I wrote. I mean, it's so big and so
• 31:50
  sprawling, and it just keeps growing because it keeps
• 31:53
  consuming. And yeah, yeah, with no
• 31:56
  consideration to how much they're abusing their own, you
• 32:01
  know, people. It's think of Jetta, yeah.
• 32:05
  That was a very gluttonous what they were doing, they were
• 32:09
  harming not just the planet, they were.
• 32:12
  This is just one example we could go on for like an unknown
• 32:16
  list of planets. They've done this to where they
• 32:18
  just pillage, take what they want, consume what they.
• 32:23
  Are after and then either blow it up, leave it for dead,
• 32:28
  communities are destroyed, they just don't care.
• 32:31
  And then they move on to the next one where they pillage,
• 32:34
  consume, discard, repeat. It's in, it's on, Canary in and
• 32:40
  or. And I forget the name of the
• 32:42
  planet. That's in the Kenobi series,
• 32:44
  where Obiwan says this used to be fields with families and
• 32:48
  farms. And now look what the Empire has
• 32:50
  done to it. I mean, it's yeah, I think
• 32:52
  that's a really brilliant observation.
• 32:53
  The Asoka book also references a a planet that's just being
• 32:58
  completely wasted by overconsumption by the Empire
• 33:02
  for one resource or another. It's so depressing.
• 33:07
  So they're they're gluttonous bitches, if I do say so myself.
• 33:06
  It's. And last but definitely not
• 33:19
  least. We have sloth, and this was my
• 33:21
  hardest one, because like we said, there aren't a lot of
• 33:26
  excessively lazy individuals, but the actual definition is
• 33:33
  sloth. Also called without care, refers
• 33:37
  to a peculiar jumble of notions dating from antiquity and
• 33:40
  including mental, spiritual, pathological, and physical
• 33:43
  states. It may also be defined as an
• 33:46
  absence of interest or habitual disinclination to exertion.
• 33:50
  Obviously it goes on to like boredom, rancor, apathy,
• 33:55
  passivity, laziness, indolence. The words go on and on.
• 34:02
  It says here, Unlike the other seven deadly sins, which are
• 34:04
  sins of committing immorality, sloth is a sin of omitting
• 34:07
  responsibilities. That's so fucking smart.
• 34:11
  It is. It is.
• 34:13
  It's a tricky 1 because everyone has responsibilities in Star
• 34:17
  Wars and they're very attached to them.
• 34:19
  The characters we know have a very strong sense of drive, even
• 34:22
  if it's evil or good. So sloth was very hard for me,
• 34:28
  but if you think of it from like omitting responsibility that
• 34:31
  gives you another like lens to use that then I can think of
• 34:37
  more like I have. I have people written down and I
• 34:40
  do think it's it's accurate, but using that definition I feel
• 34:44
  like it's more accurate now what I what I picked.
• 34:47
  Who do you have? Who do you have?
• 34:49
  I have two and they're both from AND.
• 34:50
  Or I have Cyril's boss from and OR basically tells them like
• 34:59
  like, let's just sweep this under the rug, shall we?
• 35:02
  And the prison guards from Narkina 5.
• 35:07
  That is so good that gave. That's a double snap of the
• 35:10
  fingers for them. That is 2 snaps worthy.
• 35:15
  That's a good one because they are doing their job, but they
• 35:19
  kind of don't. They don't give a shit,
• 35:21
  basically, about they they enjoy inflicting pain and keeping the
• 35:26
  prisoners doing what they're told.
• 35:28
  Yeah, but they don't have a reason.
• 35:32
  Yeah, It's like they're doing it because it's their job, not
• 35:35
  because they love the Empire, not because they care about
• 35:37
  anything, really. Right.
• 35:40
  Like, yeah. Any Stormtrooper, I guess could
• 35:44
  be, yes, unless you're Finn. Unless you're Finn.
• 35:47
  We love Finn in this house. Yes, that's interesting because
• 35:53
  you're spot on. Who did you have?
• 35:56
  I just had Jabba because he's awful.
• 35:59
  He is though, like he is. And I don't mean just lazy,
• 36:03
  which he is, He has no regard. He doesn't stand for anything
• 36:08
  one way or another. Yeah, no, except consuming.
• 36:13
  Yes. He takes no responsibility for
• 36:15
  anything. It's always somebody else who
• 36:17
  wronged him and This is why it's happening.
• 36:19
  Yeah, it's what he wants and it has nothing to do with a larger
• 36:22
  community. It's very singleminded for sure.
• 36:25
  Lack of any feeling for the world, for people in it, or for
• 36:28
  the self. That's also part of this
• 36:30
  definition. And that's pretty much Java,
• 36:32
  yeah. Yeah, or any Stormtrooper or the
• 36:35
  Narcania guards or. Oh my God.
• 36:39
  It actually could go on really good.
• 36:42
  It really good. Because I think especially once
• 36:45
  the Empire starts up, you see people and this makes sense,
• 36:48
  like it's it's, you know, I would probably be one of these
• 36:51
  people where you're too afraid to stand up for what's right.
• 36:54
  You're just kind of like blend into the background and try to
• 36:56
  put your head down and live your life, which is like Ferrix,
• 36:59
  right? Like this is the whole thing.
• 37:00
  Marva was saying. He's As soon as the Empire
• 37:04
  closes the ship and pulls away, we forget they exist and we go
• 37:07
  back to our lives and we can't do that anymore.
• 37:11
  That's really. Yep, People think of sloth as a
• 37:13
  lazy person who never gets out of bed or whatever.
• 37:16
  But I really think it's like, I don't know, like a lack of care.
• 37:20
  Like what you said. Lacking care or responsibility.
• 37:23
  Yes, exactly. That's really interesting.
• 37:27
  There is also a part of this definition is sloth gives rise
• 37:32
  to boredom, apathy. Testivity or sluggish mentation
• 37:36
  and that could be right in there with what Marva's trying to not
• 37:40
  allow or to remind them. Don't get into this like
• 37:43
  passive. State.
• 37:45
  Yes, that's awesome. I love it though.
• 37:47
  That's that was hard. But I think this is actually one
• 37:50
  of the more fascinating ones, honestly.
• 37:52
  Yeah, I guess this could be its own deep dive.
• 37:55
  And then when you think of the virtues, which we we have to do
• 37:58
  an episode on this because yeah, they'll all be Obi Wan.
• 38:03
  Yes, actually, there, that's the episode.
• 38:08
  Just like Sidious is all of the seven Deadly Sins, Obi Wan
• 38:11
  Kenobi is all of the seven capital virtues.
• 38:18
  Is one of the virtues having fabulous hair?
• 38:20
  Yes. Oh boy, Next week's episode we
• 38:30
  are talking all things Asoka because the show is debuting.
• 38:36
  It's 10 O Tuesday or Ton O Tuesday.
• 38:38
  However you choose to pronounce your last name and our episode
• 38:43
  drops on a Tuesday, so it's going to be Ton O Tuesday on
• 38:47
  most things Kenobi. We're going to discuss the first
• 38:49
  two episodes released for the Asoka show.
• 38:52
  Our thoughts? Questions we have.
• 38:54
  I'm sure there'll be some. Yeah.
• 38:56
  There's gonna be feelings. Maybe I have a clax on alert.
• 38:59
  I don't know. Maybe we'll see if certain
• 39:03
  people show up in the episode or certain things are said or done.
• 39:06
  We may have a clax on alert, so join us back here for a special
• 39:10
  Tano Tuesday episode of Most Things Kenobi.
• 39:16
  OK, last week we talked about how Obi Wan could have turned to
• 39:21
  the dark side during the Mortis Ark specifically, and I posted
• 39:25
  on Instagram. I had a question I'd always
• 39:27
  wanted to ask James Arnold Taylor if he would have found
• 39:30
  that fun to play or kind of like disturbing or upsetting.
• 39:33
  And he actually responded to my questions.
• 39:36
  So. Woohoo.
• 39:37
  Hi James. We love you, hope you're doing
• 39:40
  well, sending you good wishes, so James Arnold, Taylor
• 39:45
  responded. It would have been interesting
• 39:48
  for sure, but ultimately I think it just couldn't happen.
• 39:51
  Obiwan is the quote true believer, and I think it would
• 39:54
  end up being like when I'm asked to cuss in a part I'm playing.
• 39:58
  It's never quite believable with like a googly.
• 40:01
  Face and he. Said he'd just be thinking
• 40:05
  quote, I can't do this. Yep, I mean, fair enough, right?
• 40:10
  Because we said it. There's there's just kind of no
• 40:13
  way. It's a fun thing for us to think
• 40:15
  about, but coming from the man himself, it's just not
• 40:19
  believable. Yeah, I mean, like, and I think
• 40:22
  we would find it interesting to watch, but I do think it would
• 40:25
  make us all a little uncomfortable to see dark Obi
• 40:28
  one. For real.
• 40:29
  Yeah, for real. It's something for sure.
• 40:32
  I I I can see it. I can visualize it, I can, I can
• 40:35
  dream it. But the reality of it is much
• 40:39
  more difficult than the dream of it.
• 40:42
  Yeah, I think it would make us squirm a little bit.
• 40:44
  It would be a little uncomfortable.
• 40:45
  But yeah, I thought that was cool that he responded to the
• 40:49
  questions. He's a friend of the show.
• 40:51
  And we thank you James. You're just so cool.
• 40:53
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• 40:57
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