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166: Baseball & The Korean War - MLB · Sports History Network

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when.
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The
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United
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States
1:08
battled
1:09
in
1:09
World
1:09
War
1:10
I,
1:10
World
1:10
War
1:11
II,
1:11
and
1:11
the
1:11
Vietnam
1:12
War,
1:12
the
1:13
sports
1:13
we
1:13
loved
1:14
to
1:14
watch
1:14
were
1:15
significantly
1:15
affected.
1:17
Many
1:17
of
1:17
the
1:17
stars
1:18
who
1:18
we
1:18
loved
1:19
to
1:19
watch
1:19
were
1:19
drafted,
1:20
enlisted
1:21
and
1:21
went
1:21
to
1:21
battle.
1:22
But
1:23
there's
1:23
one
1:23
war
1:24
that
1:24
rarely
1:25
gets
1:25
mentioned,
1:26
and
1:26
its
1:26
impact
1:27
on
1:27
baseball
1:28
was
1:28
certainly
1:29
significant.
1:30
And
1:30
next
1:30
on
1:31
Sports
1:31
Forgotten
1:32
Heroes,
1:32
we're
1:33
going
1:33
to
1:33
talk
1:33
about
1:33
it,
1:34
baseball
1:35
and
1:35
the
1:35
Korean
1:36
War.
1:37
This
1:38
is
1:38
Sports
1:39
Forgotten
1:39
Heroes,
1:40
a
1:40
tribute
1:40
to
1:41
the
1:41
stars
1:41
who
1:41
shaped
1:42
the
1:42
games
1:42
we
1:42
love
1:42
to
1:43
watch
1:43
and
1:43
the
1:43
games
1:44
we
1:44
love
1:44
to
1:44
play.
1:45
Stars
1:45
who
1:45
provided
1:46
us
1:46
with
1:46
many
1:46
thrills,
1:47
but
1:47
when
1:47
their
1:48
time
1:48
was
1:48
up,
1:48
they
1:49
faded
1:49
away.
1:50
We'll
1:50
take
1:50
a
1:51
look
1:51
back
1:51
at
1:51
their
1:51
spectacular
1:52
careers,
1:52
their
1:53
moments
1:53
of
1:53
fame,
1:54
even
1:54
if
1:54
it
1:54
was
1:54
just
1:55
for
1:55
one
1:55
season
1:55
or
1:56
just
1:56
one
1:56
game.
1:57
And
1:57
now,
1:58
here's
1:58
your
1:58
host,
1:59
Warren
1:59
Rogan.
2:00
Hello
2:01
and
2:01
welcome
2:01
to
2:01
Sports
2:02
forgotten
2:02
heroes,
2:03
episode
2:04
166,
2:05
baseball
2:06
the
2:06
forgotten
2:07
Effects
2:07
of
2:07
the
2:07
Korean
2:08
War
2:08
on
2:09
America's
2:10
Pastime.
2:11
Joining
2:11
me
2:12
on
2:12
today's
2:12
episode
2:13
to
2:13
discuss
2:14
this
2:14
very
2:14
unique
2:15
subject
2:15
is
2:16
Steve
2:16
Gutierre,
2:17
author
2:17
of
2:18
the
2:18
new
2:18
book
2:19
Warm
2:19
Summers
2:20
and
2:20
Cold
2:20
Winters,
2:21
How
2:22
Baseball
2:22
Survived
2:23
the
2:23
Korean
2:24
War.
2:25
Now
2:25
this
2:25
is
2:25
certainly
2:26
an
2:26
area
2:26
I
2:27
have
2:27
never
2:27
discussed
2:28
on
2:28
Sports
2:29
Forgotten
2:29
Heroes,
2:29
and
2:30
not
2:30
only
2:31
does
2:31
it
2:31
fit
2:32
our
2:32
genre
2:33
because
2:33
so
2:34
few
2:34
remember
2:35
or
2:35
know
2:36
much
2:36
about
2:36
the
2:37
war,
2:37
but
2:38
there
2:38
were
2:38
players
2:39
whose
2:39
careers
2:40
were
2:40
significantly
2:41
affected
2:41
by
2:42
the
2:42
war
2:43
and
2:43
their
2:43
contributions
2:44
to
2:44
baseball
2:45
have
2:46
long
2:46
been
2:46
forgotten
2:47
as
2:47
well.
2:48
Before
2:48
we
2:49
get
2:49
there,
2:49
a
2:49
few
2:49
notes,
2:50
please
2:50
follow
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Sports
2:51
Forgotten
2:51
Heroes
2:52
on
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X@SportsFheroes.
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Look
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for
2:55
the
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Sports
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Forgotten
2:56
Heroes
2:56
page
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on
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Facebook
2:58
and
2:58
wherever
2:59
it
2:59
is
2:59
you
2:59
are
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listening,
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please
3:00
give
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Sports
3:01
Forgotten
3:02
Heroes
3:02
a
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like
3:02
and
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if
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you
3:03
can,
3:04
a
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five
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star
3:05
rating
3:06
and
3:06
a
3:06
review.
3:07
Also,
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if
3:08
you
3:08
have
3:08
an
3:09
idea
3:09
for
3:09
a
3:10
forgotten
3:10
hero
3:11
you'd
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like
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to
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know
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more
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about,
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please
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send
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me
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an
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to
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that's
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sportsfh.info
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and
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as
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always,
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I
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thank
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you
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for
3:26
your
3:26
support.
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Also,
3:28
I'd
3:29
like
3:29
to
3:29
tell
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you
3:29
a
3:29
little
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bit
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about
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my
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first
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book,
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College
3:32
All
3:32
Stars
3:32
versus
3:33
NFL
3:34
champions
3:35
the
3:35
Chicago
3:36
Charities
3:36
Football
3:37
Games,
3:37
1934-1976.
3:41
Now
3:42
this
3:42
book
3:42
takes
3:42
a
3:43
look
3:43
back
3:43
at
3:43
the
3:43
history
3:44
of
3:44
the
3:44
series
3:45
where
3:45
a
3:45
team
3:45
of
3:46
college
3:46
football
3:47
all
3:47
stars
3:48
took
3:48
on
3:48
the
3:48
defending
3:49
NFL
3:50
champions.
3:50
And
3:51
every
3:51
year
3:52
from
3:52
1934
3:54
until
3:55
1976,
3:57
of
3:57
course,
3:57
in
3:58
1967,
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the
4:00
NFL
4:00
champions
4:01
were
4:01
actually
4:02
the
4:03
super
4:03
bowl
4:03
champions.
4:04
You
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can
4:05
pick
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up
4:05
a
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copy
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on
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Amazon
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or
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straight
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from
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the
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publisher
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McFarlandBooks.com
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McFarlandBooks.com
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want
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more
4:23
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about
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please
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me
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and
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I'll
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share
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with
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you
4:37
how
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we
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can
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make
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it
4:38
happen.
4:39
Okay,
4:39
let's
4:39
get
4:40
into
4:40
today's
4:40
show
4:41
with
4:41
my
4:41
guest,
4:42
Steve
4:42
Gitchey.
4:45
Steve,
4:45
welcome
4:46
to
4:46
Sports
4:46
Forgotten
4:47
Heroes.
4:48
I
4:48
am
4:48
thrilled
4:48
you
4:49
can
4:49
join
4:50
quite
4:50
the
4:51
interesting
4:51
topic.
4:52
Thank
4:52
you,
4:53
Warren.
4:53
I'm
4:53
glad
4:53
to
4:53
be
4:54
here.
4:55
Yeah.
4:55
Your
4:55
book,
4:56
Warm
4:57
Summers
4:57
and
4:58
Cold
4:58
Winters,
4:59
How
5:00
Baseball
5:01
Survived
5:02
the
5:02
Korean
5:03
War,
5:04
published
5:04
by
5:05
Bloomsbury
5:06
Academic,
5:07
is
5:07
really
5:08
an
5:09
interesting,
5:11
an
5:11
interesting
5:12
read.
5:13
I
5:13
don't
5:14
think
5:15
many
5:15
people
5:16
think
5:16
about
5:16
the
5:17
Korean
5:17
War,
5:18
at
5:18
least
5:19
in
5:19
terms
5:20
of
5:21
its
5:21
effect
5:22
on
5:22
professional
5:23
sports,
5:23
particularly
5:25
baseball.
5:26
We
5:27
know
5:27
we
5:28
talk
5:28
about
5:28
how
5:28
World
5:29
War
5:29
II
5:29
and
5:30
World
5:30
War
5:30
I
5:31
affected
5:31
sports,
5:32
but
5:33
we
5:33
very
5:33
rarely
5:34
go
5:34
back
5:35
to
5:36
the
5:36
Korean
5:37
War
5:37
War
5:38
that
5:38
my
5:38
father
5:38
was
5:39
a
5:39
part
5:40
of.
5:41
Steve,
5:42
what
5:42
drew
5:43
you
5:43
to
5:44
the
5:44
Korean
5:45
War
5:46
as
5:46
the
5:47
backdrop
5:48
for
5:48
this
5:48
book?
5:49
And
5:49
why
5:50
do
5:50
you
5:50
think
5:50
it
5:50
remains
5:52
the
5:52
forgotten
5:53
war
5:54
when
5:54
it
5:54
comes
5:54
to
5:55
American
5:55
history?
5:56
And
5:56
by
5:57
the
5:57
way,
5:57
the
5:57
forgotten
5:58
war
5:59
fits
5:59
perfectly
6:00
with
6:00
the
6:01
topic
6:01
of
6:01
the
6:01
show,
6:02
Sports
6:02
Forgotten
6:03
Heroes.
6:04
That's
6:04
right.
6:04
What
6:04
a
6:04
nice,
6:05
what
6:05
a
6:05
nice
6:05
coincidence.
6:06
Well,
6:07
it's
6:08
a
6:08
bit
6:08
of
6:08
a
6:09
long
6:09
story.
6:10
I
6:11
did
6:11
my
6:12
graduate
6:12
work
6:13
in
6:14
history
6:15
at
6:15
Ohio
6:16
state
6:16
in
6:17
the
6:17
1970s,
6:19
and
6:19
at
6:19
a
6:19
certain
6:20
point,
6:20
after
6:21
taking
6:21
lots
6:22
of
6:22
classes
6:22
and
6:23
reading
6:24
dozens
6:24
if
6:25
not
6:25
hundreds
6:25
of
6:26
books,
6:26
you
6:27
have
6:27
to
6:27
come
6:27
up
6:27
with
6:27
a
6:28
title,
6:28
a
6:28
topic
6:30
for
6:30
your
6:30
doctoral
6:31
dissertation.
6:33
And
6:34
some
6:35
graduate
6:36
students
6:37
find
6:37
it
6:37
easy
6:38
to
6:38
come
6:38
up
6:39
with
6:39
the
6:39
topic
6:39
and
6:39
some
6:40
struggle
6:40
a
6:40
bit.
6:41
And
6:41
I
6:41
was
6:41
in
6:42
that
6:42
second
6:42
camp,
6:44
I
6:44
had
6:45
a
6:45
professor,
6:46
a
6:46
man
6:47
named
6:47
Gary
6:47
Richard,
6:48
who
6:48
was
6:48
a
6:48
friend
6:48
of
6:48
mine,
6:49
still
6:49
is
6:49
a
6:49
friend
6:50
of
6:50
mine,
6:51
and
6:52
he
6:53
had
6:53
done
6:53
his
6:53
graduate
6:54
work
6:54
at
6:54
Cornell,
6:57
and
6:57
one
6:57
of
6:57
his
6:57
professors
6:59
had
6:59
written
6:59
a
6:59
book
7:00
about
7:00
the
7:00
home
7:01
front
7:02
during
7:03
World
7:03
War
7:03
II.
7:05
Very
7:05
interesting
7:06
book
7:06
called
7:06
War
7:06
and
7:07
Society
7:08
still
7:08
in
7:09
print.
7:09
And
7:09
so
7:09
Gary
7:10
said
7:10
to
7:10
me,
7:10
he
7:11
said,
7:11
you
7:11
know,
7:11
Paulenberg
7:12
did
7:13
the
7:13
home
7:14
front
7:14
during
7:14
World
7:14
War
7:15
II.
7:15
Why
7:16
don't
7:16
you
7:16
try
7:17
the
7:17
home
7:17
front
7:18
during
7:19
the
7:19
Korean
7:19
War?
7:20
And
7:21
I
7:21
said,
7:21
that
7:21
sounds
7:22
interesting.
7:22
I
7:22
know
7:22
the
7:23
book.
7:23
It
7:24
kind
7:24
of
7:24
gave
7:24
me
7:24
a
7:25
template.
7:25
He
7:25
said,
7:26
but
7:26
he
7:26
said,
7:26
remember,
7:27
this
7:27
is
7:27
only
7:27
a
7:28
doctoral
7:28
dissertation,
7:29
so
7:29
don't
7:30
do
7:30
the
7:30
entire
7:30
United
7:31
States
7:31
just
7:32
center
7:32
on
7:33
things
7:33
that
7:34
were
7:34
going
7:34
on
7:34
in
7:35
Ohio
7:36
because
7:36
I
7:36
was
7:36
at
7:36
Ohio
7:37
State.
7:38
So
7:38
I
7:38
did
7:38
that.
7:38
I
7:39
wrote
7:39
the
7:39
dissertation.
7:40
I
7:40
don't
7:40
think
7:41
it's
7:41
the
7:41
greatest
7:41
dissertation
7:42
that's
7:42
ever
7:42
been
7:43
written.
7:43
It
7:44
didn't
7:44
become
7:44
a
7:44
book,
7:45
and
7:45
the
7:46
word
7:46
baseball
7:47
does
7:47
not
7:47
appear
7:48
in
7:48
it
7:48
at
7:49
all.
7:50
Here
7:50
we
7:51
are
7:51
some
7:51
50
7:52
years
7:52
later,
7:52
almost
7:53
45
7:54
years
7:54
later,
7:56
and
7:57
I
7:57
kind
7:57
of
7:57
resurrected
7:58
my
7:58
interest
7:59
in
7:59
the
7:59
Korean
7:59
War
8:00
because
8:01
I've
8:01
become,
8:01
over
8:02
the
8:02
years,
8:02
a
8:02
baseball
8:03
historian.
8:03
And
8:03
I
8:03
thought
8:04
the
8:04
intersection
8:05
of
8:05
the
8:05
two
8:06
would
8:06
make
8:06
for
8:06
an
8:07
interesting
8:07
analysis.
8:10
It
8:10
certainly
8:10
does.
8:11
Yeah.
8:12
How
8:12
did
8:14
labeling
8:15
the
8:16
Korean
8:17
War
8:18
a
8:18
police
8:19
action
8:20
shape
8:22
both
8:22
public
8:23
perception
8:25
and
8:25
baseball's
8:26
response
8:27
to
8:27
it?
8:28
Yeah,
8:28
I
8:28
think
8:29
that
8:29
was
8:29
a
8:30
critical
8:30
decision.
8:32
Some
8:32
people
8:32
credit
8:33
President
8:34
Truman
8:35
with
8:35
coining
8:35
the
8:36
phrase
8:36
police
8:36
action,
8:37
but
8:37
actually
8:38
he
8:39
was
8:39
responding
8:39
to
8:40
a
8:40
reporter's
8:41
question
8:42
in
8:42
the
8:42
early
8:42
days
8:43
of
8:43
the
8:43
conflict.
8:44
Mr.
8:44
President,
8:45
are
8:45
we
8:45
at
8:46
war,
8:47
or
8:47
would
8:47
you.
8:48
Or
8:48
would
8:48
you
8:48
call
8:48
this
8:49
a
8:49
police
8:49
action?
8:50
And
8:50
Truman
8:50
latched
8:51
onto
8:51
that
8:51
phrase.
8:52
He
8:52
said,
8:52
yes,
8:53
we're
8:53
engaged
8:54
in
8:54
a
8:54
police
8:54
action
8:55
under
8:56
the
8:56
auspices
8:56
of
8:57
the
8:57
United
8:58
Nations.
8:58
The
8:59
fear
8:59
of
9:00
cars
9:01
when
9:01
the
9:01
attack
9:01
occurred
9:02
on
9:02
June
9:03
25,
9:04
1950,
9:05
was
9:06
that
9:06
this
9:06
was
9:06
going
9:07
to
9:07
be,
9:07
in
9:07
some
9:08
sense,
9:08
Pearl
9:09
harbor
9:10
all
9:10
over
9:10
again.
9:12
The
9:12
North
9:12
Korean
9:13
invasion
9:13
of
9:13
the
9:13
south
9:14
was
9:14
a
9:14
surprise.
9:16
It
9:16
was
9:16
not
9:16
as
9:16
devastating
9:17
for
9:18
Americans
9:18
as
9:19
Pearl
9:19
harbor
9:20
was.
9:20
But
9:21
the
9:21
wife
9:21
of
9:22
the
9:22
army
9:22
chief
9:22
of
9:23
staff
9:23
turned
9:24
to
9:24
her
9:24
husband
9:25
when
9:25
they
9:25
got
9:25
the
9:25
news,
9:26
and
9:26
she
9:26
said,
9:26
does
9:27
this
9:27
again
9:28
mean
9:28
war?
9:29
And
9:30
he
9:30
didn't
9:30
have
9:30
a
9:30
good
9:30
answer
9:31
for
9:31
her.
9:33
Over
9:34
the
9:34
next
9:34
weeks
9:35
and
9:35
months,
9:36
the
9:36
United
9:37
States
9:37
tried
9:37
to
9:39
convince
9:39
people
9:40
that
9:40
this
9:41
would
9:41
not
9:41
be
9:41
total
9:42
war
9:42
like
9:42
World
9:43
War
9:43
II,
9:44
that
9:44
this
9:44
would
9:44
be
9:45
a
9:45
limited
9:46
war
9:46
or
9:47
a
9:47
police
9:48
action,
9:49
that
9:49
most
9:50
of
9:50
American
9:50
society
9:51
could
9:51
go
9:52
on
9:52
living
9:53
the
9:53
civilian
9:54
life
9:54
and
9:55
we
9:55
could
9:55
fight
9:55
this
9:56
war
9:56
with
9:57
one
9:57
hand
9:58
behind
9:58
our
9:58
backs.
9:59
The
9:59
phrase
10:00
that
10:00
we
10:00
associate
10:01
with
10:01
Vietnam
10:02
was
10:02
also
10:03
used
10:03
during
10:04
Korea.
10:05
Americans
10:06
could
10:06
supply
10:07
both
10:07
guns
10:08
and
10:08
butter.
10:11
I'm
10:12
not
10:12
going
10:12
to
10:12
get
10:12
into
10:12
a
10:13
whole
10:13
big
10:13
political
10:14
discussion,
10:15
but,
10:15
you
10:15
know,
10:16
it
10:16
sort
10:16
of
10:16
sounds
10:17
a
10:17
little
10:17
similar
10:17
to
10:18
what's
10:18
happening
10:18
right
10:19
now.
10:19
Well,
10:20
it
10:20
certainly
10:20
was
10:20
similar
10:20
to
10:21
what
10:21
happened
10:21
in
10:21
Vietnam.
10:22
You
10:22
know,
10:22
those
10:22
people
10:23
who
10:23
think
10:23
about
10:24
Korea
10:25
sometimes
10:25
think
10:25
of
10:26
it
10:26
as
10:26
like
10:26
a
10:26
footnote
10:27
or
10:27
an
10:27
afterward
10:28
to
10:29
World
10:29
War
10:29
II,
10:30
but
10:30
really,
10:30
I
10:31
think
10:31
it's
10:31
a
10:31
precursor
10:32
to
10:32
what
10:33
happened
10:33
in
10:33
Vietnam.
10:34
A
10:34
limited
10:34
war.
10:34
The
10:35
idea
10:35
that
10:36
for
10:36
most
10:36
Americans,
10:37
we're
10:38
not
10:38
going
10:38
to
10:38
get
10:38
involved.
10:40
World
10:40
War
10:40
II
10:41
was
10:41
a
10:41
total
10:42
war.
10:42
It
10:42
affected
10:43
everybody,
10:45
soldiers
10:46
and
10:46
civilians
10:47
alike.
10:47
Korea,
10:48
not
10:49
so
10:49
much.
10:49
So
10:50
the
10:50
question
10:50
is,
10:50
what's
10:51
our
10:51
commitment?
10:51
What's
10:52
our
10:52
objective?
10:53
What's
10:53
our
10:53
goals?
10:54
How
10:54
do
10:54
we
10:55
know
10:55
when
10:55
this
10:55
war
10:56
is
10:56
over?
11:00
Your
11:00
book
11:02
blends
11:04
war
11:04
chronology
11:06
with
11:07
baseball
11:07
narrative.
11:09
And
11:09
you
11:09
sort
11:10
of,
11:10
you
11:10
know,
11:10
you
11:10
go
11:11
back
11:11
and
11:11
forth,
11:12
back
11:12
and
11:12
forth,
11:12
sort
11:13
of
11:13
like
11:14
many
11:14
TV
11:15
shows
11:15
we
11:15
see
11:15
today,
11:16
you
11:17
know,
11:17
where
11:18
you
11:18
start
11:19
off
11:19
today,
11:19
and
11:20
then
11:20
you
11:20
go
11:20
back
11:21
years
11:21
ago,
11:22
and
11:22
then
11:22
you
11:22
come
11:23
back
11:23
to
11:23
today,
11:23
and
11:23
then
11:24
you
11:24
go
11:24
back
11:24
years
11:24
ago.
11:25
And
11:25
your
11:26
book
11:26
has
11:26
a
11:27
similar
11:27
feel
11:28
to
11:28
it.
11:29
Why
11:30
that
11:30
structure,
11:31
and
11:32
how
11:32
important
11:35
is
11:35
that
11:35
structure
11:36
in
11:37
telling
11:37
the
11:37
story?
11:38
Well,
11:39
I
11:39
think
11:39
structure
11:40
or
11:40
organization
11:41
is
11:41
one
11:41
of
11:41
the
11:42
first
11:42
decisions
11:43
that
11:43
an
11:43
author
11:44
has
11:44
to
11:44
make.
11:45
You
11:46
have
11:46
the
11:46
material,
11:46
you
11:47
know,
11:47
basically
11:48
what
11:48
you
11:48
want
11:48
to
11:48
say.
11:49
But
11:49
how
11:49
do
11:49
you
11:50
organize
11:50
that
11:50
material?
11:51
We
11:52
have
11:52
to
11:52
recognize,
11:53
I
11:53
think,
11:53
that
11:54
history
11:55
is
11:55
chaos,
11:57
but
11:57
we
11:58
try
11:58
to
11:58
make
11:58
sense
11:59
of
11:59
it
11:59
in
11:59
order
12:00
to
12:00
understand
12:00
it
12:01
without
12:01
forgetting
12:02
that
12:02
it's
12:03
chaos.
12:04
So
12:04
organizing
12:05
the
12:05
material
12:06
is
12:06
a
12:07
key
12:07
decision.
12:07
And
12:08
the
12:08
other
12:08
key
12:08
decision
12:09
enforced
12:10
upon
12:10
me
12:10
by
12:11
the
12:11
publisher
12:11
was
12:12
a
12:12
word
12:13
limit,
12:15
which
12:15
is
12:16
really
12:17
helpful.
12:18
Otherwise,
12:19
this
12:19
book
12:20
would
12:20
not
12:20
have
12:20
been
12:20
published
12:21
yet.
12:22
I'd
12:22
still
12:23
be
12:23
writing
12:23
it.
12:24
80,000
12:25
words.
12:26
Then,
12:26
you
12:26
know,
12:26
you
12:27
figure
12:28
it
12:28
covers
12:29
four
12:29
years,
12:30
four
12:30
calendar
12:31
years,
12:31
19,
12:32
50,
12:32
51,
12:33
52,
12:34
and
12:34
53.
12:35
Four
12:36
baseball
12:36
seasons
12:37
are
12:37
directly
12:38
affected.
12:39
So
12:39
you
12:39
say,
12:39
well,
12:40
four
12:40
seasons,
12:41
80,000
12:41
words,
12:42
20,000
12:43
words
12:43
a
12:43
season,
12:44
maybe
12:45
four
12:45
chapters.
12:46
Winter,
12:47
spring,
12:47
summer,
12:48
fall.
12:49
And
12:49
you've
12:50
got
12:50
some
12:50
kind
12:51
of
12:51
skeleton,
12:52
some
12:52
kind
12:52
of
12:52
structure
12:53
onto
12:53
which
12:54
to
12:54
hang
12:54
the
12:54
meat
12:54
and
12:54
potatoes.
12:56
Yeah,
12:56
it's
12:56
interesting.
12:57
I
12:57
just
12:59
finished
13:00
my
13:00
second
13:00
book.
13:01
It's
13:02
in
13:02
the
13:02
process
13:03
now
13:03
of
13:03
being
13:04
reviewed
13:04
and
13:04
all,
13:05
but
13:05
my
13:05
first
13:05
book
13:06
just
13:06
came
13:06
out,
13:07
College
13:07
All
13:07
Stars
13:08
versus
13:08
NFL
13:09
Champions.
13:10
And,
13:10
you
13:10
know,
13:11
they.
13:11
They
13:11
talked
13:12
about,
13:12
you
13:13
know,
13:13
how
13:13
many
13:13
words
13:13
it
13:14
needs
13:14
to
13:14
be.
13:15
And
13:15
I
13:15
was
13:16
in
13:16
that
13:16
area,
13:17
and
13:18
I
13:19
just
13:19
got
13:21
done
13:21
with
13:22
a
13:22
conversation
13:23
with
13:24
another
13:24
author,
13:25
and
13:25
he's
13:26
struggling
13:26
because
13:26
they
13:26
wanted
13:27
around
13:27
100,000,
13:28
and
13:28
he's
13:28
written
13:29
600,000
13:30
words.
13:30
I'm
13:30
like,
13:30
you
13:31
need
13:31
to
13:32
make
13:32
volumes.
13:33
You
13:33
have
13:34
a
13:34
book
13:34
series.
13:35
You
13:35
can't
13:36
kill
13:36
500,000
13:38
words.
13:38
No.
13:38
You
13:39
can't
13:39
nickel
13:39
and
13:39
dime
13:40
your
13:40
way
13:40
to
13:40
those
13:40
kinds
13:41
of
13:41
changes.
13:42
No.
13:43
So
13:44
I
13:44
kept
13:44
an
13:45
eye
13:45
on
13:45
the
13:45
word
13:45
count
13:45
as
13:46
I
13:46
was
13:46
proceeding,
13:47
and
13:47
in
13:47
each
13:48
chapter,
13:48
I'd
13:48
say,
13:48
okay,
13:49
that's
13:49
enough.
13:49
You
13:50
know,
13:50
summarize,
13:51
move
13:51
on.
13:52
Exactly.
13:53
And
13:53
that's.
13:53
And
13:53
so
13:54
each.
13:54
Each
13:54
chapter
13:55
has
13:56
three
13:56
sections.
13:58
Two
13:59
on
13:59
baseball
13:59
and
14:00
one
14:00
on.
14:00
On
14:01
the
14:01
war
14:02
on
14:02
diplomatic
14:03
or
14:03
military
14:03
affairs,
14:04
so
14:04
to
14:04
speak.
14:04
Yeah,
14:05
you
14:06
sort
14:06
of
14:06
touched
14:06
upon
14:07
this
14:07
just
14:07
a
14:08
little
14:08
bit
14:08
ago.
14:09
How
14:09
different
14:10
was
14:10
the
14:10
Korean
14:11
War
14:12
home
14:12
front
14:13
compared
14:14
to
14:15
World
14:15
War
14:15
II,
14:17
particularly
14:19
when
14:19
it
14:19
comes
14:20
to
14:20
baseball?
14:21
Sure.
14:23
Well,
14:23
I
14:23
think
14:24
overall,
14:26
the
14:27
atmosphere
14:28
in
14:28
the
14:28
country
14:29
during
14:29
World
14:30
War
14:30
II
14:31
was
14:31
that
14:31
in
14:31
a
14:32
certain
14:32
sense,
14:33
every
14:34
American
14:35
was
14:35
playing
14:36
a
14:36
part
14:37
in
14:37
trying
14:37
to
14:37
win
14:38
the
14:38
war
14:38
to
14:38
defeat
14:39
Nazi
14:39
Germany
14:40
and
14:41
the
14:41
empire
14:41
of
14:42
Japan.
14:43
You
14:44
may
14:44
be
14:44
in
14:44
the
14:44
military
14:45
or
14:45
the
14:45
Navy
14:46
yourself.
14:47
You
14:47
may
14:47
have
14:47
a
14:47
family
14:48
member
14:48
who
14:49
is
14:49
in
14:49
the
14:49
service,
14:50
but
14:50
even
14:51
if
14:51
you
14:51
weren't,
14:52
you
14:52
were
14:52
doing
14:53
or
14:53
not
14:53
doing
14:54
certain
14:54
things
14:55
that
14:55
directly
14:56
contributed
14:57
to
14:57
the
14:57
war
14:58
effort.
14:58
Everybody
14:59
could
14:59
say,
15:00
had
15:01
the
15:01
opportunity
15:01
to
15:02
say,
15:02
I'm
15:02
doing
15:02
my
15:03
part.
15:04
Including,
15:04
for
15:05
example,
15:05
rationing
15:08
certain
15:08
materials.
15:09
Rubber,
15:10
for
15:10
example,
15:11
gasoline,
15:12
sugar,
15:13
were
15:13
rationed.
15:14
You
15:14
know,
15:14
you
15:14
couldn't
15:15
buy
15:15
unlimited
15:16
quantities
15:16
of
15:17
those
15:17
things.
15:17
And
15:17
when
15:17
you
15:18
made
15:18
those
15:18
sacrifices,
15:19
you
15:20
could
15:20
do
15:20
so
15:21
with
15:21
a
15:21
smile
15:22
on
15:22
your
15:22
face,
15:23
knowing,
15:24
I'm
15:24
helping
15:24
to
15:25
defeat
15:25
the
15:25
Nazis
15:26
by
15:27
doing
15:27
this
15:28
or
15:28
by
15:28
not
15:29
buying
15:29
this.
15:30
Faria
15:31
was
15:31
completely
15:31
different.
15:33
It
15:33
was
15:33
as
15:33
if
15:34
Uncle
15:34
Sam
15:34
said,
15:35
I
15:35
want
15:35
you,
15:36
but
15:36
you
15:37
can
15:37
stay
15:37
home
15:37
and
15:38
go
15:38
to
15:38
college.
15:39
I
15:39
want
15:39
you,
15:40
but
15:40
you
15:41
can
15:41
stay
15:41
home,
15:41
keep
15:42
your
15:42
civilian
15:42
job
15:43
and
15:43
make
15:44
lots
15:44
of
15:44
money.
15:45
That
15:45
creates
15:46
tension,
15:48
it
15:48
creates
15:48
antagonism,
15:50
it
15:50
creates
15:51
uncertainty,
15:52
and
15:52
it
15:52
creates
15:53
opportunity.
15:55
As
15:55
far
15:55
as
15:55
baseball
15:56
is
15:56
concerned,
15:58
baseball
15:59
had
15:59
to
15:59
face
15:59
the
16:00
same
16:00
questions
16:01
it
16:01
faced
16:01
during
16:01
World
16:02
War
16:02
II.
16:03
First
16:03
of
16:03
all,
16:04
will
16:04
there
16:05
be
16:05
baseball
16:07
or
16:07
will
16:07
the
16:07
sport
16:08
be
16:08
allowed
16:09
to
16:09
continue?
16:10
And
16:10
secondly,
16:11
if
16:11
we
16:11
are
16:12
allowed
16:12
to
16:12
continue,
16:13
who
16:14
gets
16:14
to
16:15
play
16:15
and
16:16
who
16:16
doesn't
16:16
get
16:17
to
16:17
play
16:17
because
16:18
they're
16:18
being
16:18
called
16:19
into
16:19
military
16:20
service?
16:22
That's
16:23
one
16:23
of
16:23
the
16:23
key
16:24
challenges
16:24
that
16:24
baseball
16:25
face.
16:27
You
16:27
say
16:28
or
16:28
you
16:28
argue
16:30
that
16:30
baseball
16:32
was
16:36
somewhat
16:36
unstable
16:37
before
16:38
the
16:38
war.
16:39
What
16:39
were
16:40
the
16:40
biggest
16:40
cracks
16:41
in
16:42
the
16:42
foundation
16:43
of
16:43
baseball
16:44
heading
16:45
into
16:45
1950?
16:47
Well,
16:48
immediately
16:49
after
16:49
World
16:49
War
16:50
II,
16:50
baseball
16:51
attendance
16:51
booms,
16:52
and
16:53
it
16:53
looks
16:53
to
16:53
owners
16:54
and
16:54
to
16:55
the
16:55
commissioner
16:56
as
16:56
if
16:57
prosperity
16:58
is
16:58
here
16:59
and
16:59
it's
16:59
here
16:59
to
17:00
stay.
17:01
But
17:01
underneath
17:02
all
17:02
that,
17:03
there
17:03
are
17:03
all
17:03
kinds
17:04
of
17:04
problems.
17:04
First
17:05
of
17:05
all,
17:05
the
17:06
sport's
17:06
racial
17:07
desegregation
17:08
was
17:09
far
17:09
from
17:09
complete.
17:11
Secondly,
17:12
Americans
17:13
were
17:14
beginning
17:14
to
17:14
move
17:15
south
17:15
and
17:16
west
17:17
while
17:18
baseball,
17:18
Major
17:19
League
17:19
Baseball
17:20
was
17:20
still
17:20
centered
17:21
exclusively
17:22
in
17:22
the
17:22
north
17:22
and
17:23
the
17:23
east.
17:24
But
17:24
before,
17:25
before
17:25
the
17:26
franchises
17:26
began
17:27
to
17:27
move,
17:27
remember,
17:28
the
17:28
westernmost
17:29
team
17:30
and
17:30
the
17:30
southernmost
17:31
team
17:31
were
17:31
the
17:31
two
17:32
teams
17:32
in
17:32
St.
17:32
Louis,
17:33
the
17:33
Cardinals.
17:33
The
17:34
Cardinals
17:35
and
17:35
the
17:35
Browns.
17:36
But
17:36
the
17:37
population
17:37
is
17:37
moving,
17:38
and
17:38
people
17:38
want
17:40
and
17:40
they
17:40
want
17:43
and
17:43
they
17:43
want
17:43
Major
17:44
League
17:44
Baseball.
17:46
Baseball
17:46
is
17:47
also
17:47
struggling
17:47
to
17:48
deal
17:48
with
17:48
this
17:48
new
17:49
thing
17:49
called
17:49
television.
17:51
As
17:51
people
17:52
decide
17:53
to
17:53
stay
17:53
home,
17:54
not
17:55
go
17:55
to
17:55
the
17:55
ballpark,
17:56
because
17:56
they
17:57
want
17:57
to
17:57
watch
17:58
television.
17:58
They
17:59
want
17:59
to
17:59
watch
17:59
the
17:59
Goldbergs,
18:00
they
18:00
want
18:00
to
18:00
watch
18:00
Bishop
18:01
Sheen,
18:01
they
18:01
want
18:01
to
18:02
watch
18:02
Milton
18:02
Berle,
18:03
they
18:03
want
18:03
to
18:03
watch
18:03
television
18:04
because
18:04
television
18:05
itself
18:06
is
18:06
mesmerizing.
18:07
The
18:08
ballparks
18:09
in
18:09
which
18:09
major
18:10
league
18:10
teams
18:10
played
18:11
were,
18:11
many
18:11
of
18:12
them
18:12
old,
18:15
perhaps
18:15
needed
18:16
to
18:16
be
18:16
replaced.
18:17
As
18:17
people
18:17
are
18:18
leaving
18:18
the
18:18
cities
18:19
for
18:20
the
18:20
suburb
18:22
financially,
18:23
clubs
18:23
are
18:23
spending
18:24
enormous
18:25
sums
18:26
on
18:26
bonus
18:26
players
18:27
signing
18:28
players,
18:28
first
18:29
year
18:29
players.
18:29
This
18:30
is
18:30
before
18:30
the
18:30
draft.
18:31
First
18:31
year
18:32
Players
18:32
to
18:32
enormous
18:33
contracts,
18:34
signing
18:35
bonuses
18:35
and
18:36
wondering
18:37
are
18:37
they
18:37
going
18:37
to
18:37
get
18:37
a
18:37
return
18:38
on
18:38
their
18:38
investment?
18:40
In
18:40
addition,
18:40
baseball
18:41
suffers
18:41
through
18:42
a
18:42
leadership
18:43
crisis,
18:43
firing
18:43
one
18:44
commissioner,
18:45
Happy
18:45
Chandler,
18:46
and
18:46
taking
18:46
its
18:47
time
18:47
to
18:47
appoint
18:48
his
18:48
successor,
18:49
Ford
18:49
Brink.
18:51
There
18:51
were
18:51
legal
18:52
problems.
18:53
Several
18:54
players
18:54
sued
18:54
baseball
18:55
over
18:55
the
18:55
reserve
18:56
clause,
18:56
and
18:57
a
18:57
congressional
18:58
subcommittee
18:59
held
18:59
hearings
19:00
in
19:00
the
19:00
summer
19:01
and
19:01
early
19:01
fall
19:01
of
19:02
1951
19:03
about
19:03
baseball's
19:04
antitrust
19:05
status
19:06
and
19:06
about
19:06
the
19:06
reserve
19:07
clause.
19:08
So
19:08
those
19:08
are
19:08
the
19:08
problems
19:09
that
19:09
baseball
19:10
brings
19:10
into
19:11
the
19:11
Korean
19:11
War
19:12
years
19:12
and
19:13
doesn't
19:13
solve
19:13
during
19:14
the
19:14
war
19:14
years
19:15
and
19:15
doesn't
19:15
solve
19:16
them
19:16
until
19:17
later,
19:17
if
19:18
they
19:18
solve
19:18
them
19:18
at
19:18
all.
19:22
Looking
19:22
at
19:24
the
19:24
teams
19:28
and
19:28
the
19:28
rosters,
19:31
how
19:31
did
19:31
the
19:32
draft
19:35
specifically
19:36
impact
19:37
rosters
19:38
and
19:39
competitive
19:39
balance
19:40
across
19:40
the
19:41
league
19:43
during
19:43
that
19:43
time?
19:44
Okay,
19:45
well,
19:46
I'm
19:46
not
19:46
sure
19:46
we
19:47
had
19:47
competitive
19:48
balance
19:48
to
19:48
begin
19:49
with,
19:50
you
19:51
know,
19:51
in
19:52
the
19:52
American
19:52
league
19:53
starting
19:53
in
19:53
19,
19:54
well,
19:54
1947
19:55
and
19:56
then
19:56
1949,
19:56
50,
19:57
51,
19:58
50
19:59
and
19:59
53.
20:00
The
20:00
Yankees
20:01
win
20:01
the
20:02
American
20:02
League
20:02
pennant
20:03
and
20:03
they
20:03
win
20:04
the
20:04
World
20:04
Series.
20:05
And
20:05
there
20:05
were
20:05
a
20:06
bunch
20:06
of
20:06
teams
20:06
in
20:07
the
20:07
American
20:07
League
20:08
that
20:08
pretty
20:09
much
20:09
were
20:09
out
20:09
of
20:10
the
20:10
pennant
20:10
race
20:10
on
20:11
opening
20:11
day.
20:13
The
20:13
National
20:14
League,
20:15
almost
20:15
the
20:16
same.
20:17
1947,
20:18
1949,
20:19
1952
20:20
and
20:21
53.
20:22
The
20:22
Dodgers
20:23
win
20:24
the
20:24
National
20:24
League.
20:26
1950
20:26
is
20:26
the
20:27
Philadelphia
20:28
Phillies,
20:28
the
20:28
Whiz
20:28
Kids,
20:29
1951,
20:30
the
20:30
Giants,
20:30
Bobby
20:31
Thompson's
20:31
home
20:32
run.
20:32
But
20:33
the
20:33
other
20:33
teams
20:33
are
20:34
pretty
20:34
much
20:34
all
20:35
the
20:35
ranch.
20:35
You
20:36
know,
20:36
I
20:36
live
20:36
in
20:36
suburban
20:37
St.
20:37
Louis,
20:37
and
20:38
we
20:38
know
20:38
here
20:38
that
20:38
the
20:39
Cardinals
20:40
won
20:40
the,
20:40
won
20:41
the
20:41
World
20:41
Series
20:41
in
20:41
1946
20:42
and
20:43
they
20:43
didn't
20:43
appear
20:43
in
20:43
what
20:44
we
20:44
now
20:44
call
20:44
the
20:44
postseason
20:46
for
20:46
18
20:46
years
20:47
until
20:47
1964.
20:49
So
20:49
not
20:50
so
20:50
much
20:50
competitive,
20:51
competitive
20:52
balance.
20:53
But
20:54
to
20:54
answer
20:54
your
20:54
question
20:55
about
20:55
the
20:55
draft,
20:57
we've
20:58
got
20:58
two
20:58
things
20:58
happening
20:59
here.
20:59
We've
20:59
got
21:00
people
21:00
who
21:00
have,
21:02
who
21:02
have
21:02
fulfilled
21:03
part
21:03
of
21:03
their
21:03
military
21:04
obligation
21:04
and
21:05
are
21:05
in
21:05
the
21:05
reserves
21:06
and
21:06
might
21:06
get
21:06
called
21:07
up
21:07
or
21:07
who
21:08
have
21:08
joined
21:08
the
21:08
National
21:09
Guard
21:09
and
21:10
might
21:10
get
21:10
called
21:10
to
21:11
active
21:11
service.
21:12
And
21:12
then
21:12
we
21:12
get
21:12
people
21:13
who
21:13
are
21:13
drafted.
21:14
There
21:14
is
21:14
no
21:15
list
21:16
of
21:16
every
21:17
professional
21:17
baseball
21:18
player,
21:19
major
21:19
league
21:19
and
21:20
minor
21:20
league,
21:22
who
21:22
were
21:22
drafted
21:23
during
21:23
the
21:23
Korean
21:24
War.
21:24
My
21:24
guess
21:25
is
21:25
if
21:25
such
21:25
a
21:25
list
21:26
were
21:26
compiled,
21:26
it
21:26
would
21:27
include
21:27
at
21:27
least
21:28
1,000
21:28
players
21:29
and
21:29
maybe
21:30
as
21:30
many
21:30
as
21:30
2,000.
21:32
And
21:32
about
21:32
250
21:33
players,
21:34
major
21:34
leaguers,
21:35
before,
21:35
during
21:36
or
21:36
after
21:37
were
21:37
called
21:37
to
21:37
military
21:38
service
21:38
during
21:38
the
21:39
Korean
21:39
War.
21:40
Yeah,
21:40
So
21:40
I
21:40
was
21:40
going
21:41
to
21:41
go
21:41
there
21:41
next.
21:41
I
21:42
was
21:42
going
21:42
to
21:42
ask
21:42
about
21:43
how
21:43
many
21:44
players
21:45
roughly
21:47
the
21:47
you
21:48
think
21:48
served
21:49
during
21:49
the
21:49
Korean
21:50
War,
21:50
and
21:52
does
21:52
that
21:53
number
21:53
actually
21:55
reshape
21:56
how
21:57
we
21:57
view
21:57
this
21:57
era?
21:59
Well,
22:00
I
22:00
think
22:00
so,
22:01
sure.
22:03
Think
22:03
of
22:04
the
22:04
New
22:04
York
22:05
Giants
22:05
as
22:05
just
22:06
one
22:06
example
22:08
The
22:08
Giants
22:08
in
22:09
1951
22:10
have
22:11
a
22:11
young
22:11
player
22:12
in
22:13
Minneapolis
22:14
named
22:14
Willie
22:15
Mays.
22:16
And
22:16
Derocher
22:18
calls
22:18
him
22:18
up
22:19
in
22:20
the
22:20
spring,
22:20
in
22:21
May,
22:21
I
22:21
think.
22:22
And
22:22
he
22:23
leads
22:23
the
22:23
Giants
22:24
to
22:24
the
22:24
pennant
22:24
in
22:24
1951.
22:26
The
22:27
Giants
22:27
also
22:27
win
22:27
the
22:28
pennant
22:28
in
22:28
1954,
22:31
but
22:31
they
22:31
don't
22:31
win
22:32
the
22:32
pennant
22:32
in
22:32
52
22:33
and
22:33
53.
22:34
Where's
22:35
Mae?
22:36
He's
22:36
in
22:36
the
22:36
Army.
22:39
Mays
22:40
presence
22:40
may
22:40
have
22:41
rewritten
22:42
National
22:42
League
22:43
history.
22:44
Mickey
22:45
Mantle
22:45
is
22:45
a
22:46
rookie
22:46
in
22:46
1951,
22:47
but
22:47
he
22:47
has
22:48
physical
22:49
ailments
22:50
that
22:50
prevent
22:50
him
22:51
from
22:51
being
22:51
drafted.
22:52
So
22:52
he
22:53
never
22:53
serves
22:54
in
22:54
the
22:54
military.
22:56
The
22:56
Phillies
22:59
are
22:59
on
22:59
their
22:59
way
23:00
to
23:00
the
23:00
national
23:00
league
23:00
pennant
23:01
in
23:01
1950.
23:02
The
23:03
Phillies
23:03
owner
23:04
has
23:04
been
23:05
really
23:05
cagey.
23:06
He's
23:07
had
23:07
two
23:07
of
23:07
his
23:07
best
23:08
players.
23:08
Well,
23:09
two
23:09
pitchers.
23:10
One
23:10
of
23:10
them,
23:10
Kurt
23:11
Simmons,
23:11
a
23:11
really
23:11
good
23:12
pitcher.
23:12
He's
23:13
had
23:13
them
23:13
enlist
23:13
in
23:14
the
23:14
National
23:14
Guard
23:15
as
23:15
a
23:15
way
23:15
to
23:16
fulfill
23:16
their
23:16
military
23:17
obligation
23:18
without
23:18
losing
23:19
playing
23:19
time.
23:20
But
23:20
which
23:20
National
23:21
Guard
23:21
unit
23:22
is
23:22
the
23:22
first
23:22
to
23:23
be
23:23
called
23:23
up
23:24
after
23:24
the
23:24
North
23:24
Korean
23:25
attack?
23:26
Kurt
23:26
Simmons.
23:28
He's
23:28
not
23:28
present
23:29
when
23:29
the
23:30
Phillies
23:30
win
23:30
the
23:30
pennant.
23:31
And
23:31
he's
23:31
not
23:31
present
23:32
when.
23:32
When
23:32
the
23:32
Phillies
23:33
play
23:33
the
23:33
Yankees
23:34
in
23:34
the
23:34
World
23:34
Series
23:35
and
23:35
lose
23:36
four
23:36
games
23:37
straight.
23:38
Would
23:38
he
23:38
have
23:38
made
23:39
a
23:39
difference?
23:40
Certainly.
23:41
Would
23:41
the
23:41
Phillies
23:41
have
23:42
won
23:42
the
23:42
Series?
23:43
Who
23:43
knows?
23:44
But
23:44
he's
23:44
gone
23:45
for
23:45
50,
23:46
51
23:46
and
23:47
part
23:47
of
23:47
52.
23:48
And
23:49
the
23:49
whiz
23:49
kids,
23:50
as
23:50
we
23:50
know,
23:50
never
23:51
win
23:51
another
23:51
pennant.
23:52
So
23:53
it
23:53
makes.
23:53
It
23:53
makes
23:54
a
23:54
difference.
23:56
But
23:56
more
23:56
than
23:57
on
23:57
the
23:57
team
23:57
level,
23:58
it
23:58
makes
23:58
a
23:58
difference
23:59
to
23:59
individuals.
24:00
You
24:00
know,
24:01
you're
24:01
playing
24:01
minor
24:02
league
24:02
baseball
24:02
or
24:02
you're
24:03
playing
24:03
major
24:03
league
24:03
baseball,
24:04
and
24:05
then
24:05
you
24:05
get
24:05
called
24:05
for
24:06
two
24:06
years
24:06
or
24:06
a
24:06
year
24:07
and
24:07
a
24:07
half
24:07
of
24:07
active
24:08
duty
24:08
somewhere
24:09
in
24:09
the
24:09
United
24:09
States
24:10
or
24:10
in
24:10
Europe
24:11
or
24:11
in
24:12
some
24:12
cases
24:12
in
24:12
Korea
24:13
itself.
24:14
What
24:14
does
24:14
that
24:14
do
24:14
to
24:14
your
24:15
playing
24:15
skills?
24:16
Even
24:16
if
24:16
you
24:16
get
24:16
to
24:17
play
24:17
baseball
24:18
at,
24:18
say,
24:18
a
24:18
military
24:19
base
24:19
in
24:19
California,
24:21
are
24:21
you
24:21
keeping
24:22
your
24:22
skills
24:22
as
24:23
finely
24:23
honed
24:24
as
24:24
they
24:24
would
24:25
be
24:25
if
24:26
you
24:26
were
24:26
playing
24:26
major
24:26
league
24:27
baseball?
24:27
You
24:28
know,
24:28
you
24:28
lose
24:29
two
24:29
years
24:30
of
24:30
a
24:31
career.
24:32
Some
24:32
of
24:33
these
24:33
guys
24:33
were
24:33
in
24:33
the
24:34
majors,
24:34
went
24:34
into
24:34
the
24:34
army
24:35
and
24:35
never
24:36
played
24:36
major
24:36
league
24:36
baseball
24:37
again.
24:38
Yeah.
24:39
Was
24:39
there
24:40
anything
24:40
that
24:40
surprised
24:41
you
24:42
about
24:42
the
24:42
number
24:43
of
24:43
players
24:44
whose
24:45
careers
24:46
were
24:46
interrupted
24:47
or
24:48
ended
24:49
by
24:49
military
24:50
service?
24:51
Yeah.
24:52
Well,
24:52
the
24:53
numbers,
24:53
I
24:53
think,
24:54
you
24:54
know,
24:54
and
24:54
the
24:55
fact
24:55
that
24:55
we
24:55
don't
24:55
have
24:56
a
24:56
list.
24:57
A
24:57
couple
24:58
of
24:58
people
24:58
have
24:58
tried
24:58
to
24:59
compile
24:59
lists.
25:00
I
25:00
used
25:01
those
25:01
lists.
25:03
They're
25:03
not
25:03
complete.
25:04
And
25:04
I
25:04
think
25:05
the
25:05
people
25:05
who
25:05
compiled
25:06
them
25:06
would
25:06
say
25:06
they're
25:07
not
25:07
complete.
25:09
If
25:09
you
25:09
include
25:10
minor
25:10
leaguers,
25:12
there
25:13
may
25:13
be
25:13
as
25:13
many
25:13
as
25:14
2,000
25:14
players
25:15
who
25:15
had
25:16
their
25:16
careers
25:17
interrupted
25:18
and
25:19
about
25:19
250
25:20
major
25:20
league.
25:20
A
25:21
lot
25:21
of
25:21
these
25:21
major
25:21
leaguers
25:22
were
25:22
guys
25:23
who
25:23
were
25:23
in
25:23
the
25:23
minors,
25:24
then
25:24
went
25:25
into
25:25
the
25:25
army,
25:25
and
25:25
when
25:26
they
25:26
came
25:26
out,
25:27
played
25:27
major
25:28
league
25:28
baseball.
25:29
One
25:29
example,
25:29
Vernon
25:30
Law,
25:30
the
25:30
pitcher
25:30
for
25:31
the
25:31
Pittsburgh
25:31
Pirates,
25:33
and
25:35
a
25:35
friend
25:36
of
25:36
mine
25:37
who
25:37
was
25:38
interested
25:38
in
25:38
this
25:39
same
25:39
subject,
25:39
actually
25:40
interviewed
25:41
some
25:41
of
25:41
these
25:41
players.
25:42
And
25:43
one
25:43
of
25:43
the
25:43
questions
25:44
he
25:44
asked
25:45
them
25:46
was,
25:46
did
25:47
your
25:47
military
25:48
service
25:49
affect
25:50
your
25:50
playing
25:51
ability,
25:51
your
25:52
talent,
25:52
your
25:53
baseball
25:54
career?
25:55
And
25:55
some
25:55
of
25:55
them
25:55
said
25:56
no,
25:57
but
25:57
most
25:57
of
25:58
them
25:58
said
25:58
yes.
25:59
And
26:00
some
26:00
of
26:00
them
26:00
said
26:00
yes
26:02
in
26:03
a
26:03
very
26:03
forthright
26:04
way.
26:04
Let
26:04
me
26:04
give
26:04
you
26:05
just
26:05
one
26:05
example.
26:07
Maybe
26:07
some
26:07
of
26:07
your
26:08
listeners
26:08
will
26:08
remember
26:09
a
26:09
catcher
26:10
with
26:10
the
26:10
White
26:10
Sox
26:11
named
26:11
J.W.
26:12
Porter.
26:14
He
26:14
was
26:14
signed
26:15
to
26:15
a
26:15
huge
26:15
bonus,
26:16
didn't
26:17
make
26:17
his
26:17
major
26:17
league
26:18
debut
26:18
until
26:18
July
26:19
of
26:19
1952.
26:20
But
26:20
in
26:21
53,
26:21
he's
26:21
drafted
26:22
now.
26:22
He
26:23
does
26:23
not
26:23
go
26:23
to
26:23
Korea.
26:24
He
26:24
spends
26:25
his
26:25
entire
26:26
military
26:27
service
26:27
time
26:27
at
26:28
Fort
26:28
Ord
26:29
in
26:29
California.
26:30
And
26:30
he
26:31
said,
26:31
he
26:31
told
26:32
my
26:32
friend
26:32
Ron
26:33
Kaplan,
26:33
who
26:33
interviewed
26:34
him,
26:34
he
26:34
said,
26:35
the
26:35
company
26:35
I
26:35
was
26:36
in
26:37
was
26:38
in
26:38
originally
26:38
was
26:39
sent
26:39
to
26:39
Korea.
26:40
About
26:40
90%
26:41
of
26:41
them
26:41
didn't
26:42
make
26:42
it
26:42
back,
26:43
but
26:43
he
26:43
had
26:43
been
26:44
transferred.
26:45
And
26:45
when
26:46
Ron
26:46
asked
26:46
him,
26:47
did
26:47
serving
26:47
in
26:48
the
26:48
army
26:49
hamper
26:49
your
26:49
Korea?
26:50
He
26:50
said,
26:51
the
26:51
answer
26:52
is
26:52
unprintable.
26:53
So
26:54
I
26:54
will
26:54
simply
26:55
say,
26:55
damn,
26:56
betcha.
26:57
Wow.
26:58
Yeah.
26:59
And
26:59
that's
26:59
just
26:59
one
27:01
90%
27:03
turn.
27:03
That's
27:04
crazy.
27:04
Yes.
27:06
Yes.
27:08
What
27:09
were
27:11
the
27:11
biggest
27:12
challenges
27:13
that
27:13
owners
27:14
faced
27:14
trying
27:15
to
27:15
run
27:15
baseball
27:16
both
27:16
as
27:17
a
27:17
sport
27:18
and
27:18
as
27:18
a
27:19
business,
27:19
during
27:20
that?
27:20
Okay.
27:22
There
27:22
were
27:23
two
27:23
challenges.
27:24
The
27:24
first
27:25
is
27:26
roster
27:27
construction.
27:29
How
27:29
do
27:29
we
27:29
fashion
27:30
our
27:30
roster
27:32
once
27:32
we
27:32
know
27:32
that
27:32
baseball
27:33
is
27:33
going
27:33
to
27:33
continue?
27:34
How
27:34
do
27:34
we
27:34
fashion
27:34
our
27:35
roster
27:35
to
27:35
make
27:35
sure
27:36
we've
27:36
got
27:36
players
27:37
who
27:37
can
27:37
play
27:37
at
27:37
a
27:38
major
27:38
league
27:38
level?
27:40
If
27:40
we
27:41
sign
27:41
young
27:41
players,
27:43
if
27:43
we
27:43
rely
27:44
on
27:44
young
27:44
players,
27:45
how
27:46
do
27:46
we
27:46
know
27:47
that
27:47
he
27:47
might
27:47
be
27:47
in
27:48
a
27:48
major
27:48
league
27:48
uniform
27:49
today
27:50
and
27:50
an
27:50
army
27:51
uniform
27:52
next
27:52
week?
27:53
That's
27:54
a
27:54
problem.
27:55
Branch
27:56
Rickey
27:56
is
27:57
running
27:57
the
27:57
Pirates
27:58
at
27:58
the
27:58
time
27:59
he's
27:59
left
27:59
the
27:59
Dodgers
28:00
in
28:01
the
28:01
minor
28:01
league
28:01
draft
28:02
of
28:02
December
28:03
1950.
28:04
He
28:04
drafts
28:05
older
28:05
players,
28:06
players
28:07
he
28:07
hopes
28:08
will
28:08
be
28:08
beyond
28:09
the
28:09
age
28:10
at
28:10
which
28:10
they
28:10
would
28:10
be
28:11
called
28:11
to
28:11
military
28:12
service.
28:13
Ricky's
28:14
got
28:14
a
28:14
plan,
28:14
of
28:14
course,
28:15
to
28:15
build
28:15
the
28:15
Pirates
28:15
into
28:16
a
28:16
pennant
28:16
winner,
28:17
which
28:17
eventually
28:17
happens
28:18
in
28:18
1960.
28:19
But
28:20
he,
28:20
you
28:20
know,
28:20
he
28:21
kind
28:21
of
28:21
goes
28:22
in
28:22
the
28:22
opposite,
28:23
in
28:23
the
28:23
opposite
28:23
direction.
28:24
But
28:24
teams
28:24
are
28:24
always.
28:25
We're
28:25
always
28:26
concerned.
28:26
You
28:26
know,
28:27
we
28:27
could.
28:27
Anybody
28:28
could
28:28
get
28:28
a
28:28
draft
28:29
call
28:29
at
28:30
any
28:30
time
28:31
from
28:32
a
28:32
local
28:32
board.
28:32
He
28:33
could
28:33
be
28:33
on
28:33
your
28:33
roster
28:34
this
28:34
week
28:34
and
28:34
gone
28:35
a
28:36
couple
28:36
of
28:36
weeks
28:36
or
28:36
a
28:36
couple
28:37
of
28:37
months
28:37
after
28:38
that.
28:38
If
28:38
he
28:38
passes
28:39
his
28:39
physical
28:40
so
28:40
on
28:40
the
28:40
field,
28:41
the
28:42
real
28:42
question
28:43
is
28:43
roster
28:44
construction.
28:44
And
28:45
this
28:45
is
28:45
not
28:45
something
28:46
that
28:46
just
28:46
affects
28:47
teams
28:47
in
28:47
1950.
28:48
It
28:49
affects
28:49
them
28:49
in
28:49
all
28:50
four
28:50
seasons.
28:51
50,
28:51
51,
28:52
52.
28:55
Off
28:55
the
28:55
field,
28:56
they
28:57
have
28:57
to
28:57
deal
28:57
with
28:58
some
28:58
financial
29:00
situations
29:01
because.
29:02
Because
29:04
even
29:04
though
29:05
President
29:05
Truman
29:06
called
29:06
the
29:07
war
29:07
a
29:07
police
29:08
action
29:09
or
29:09
a
29:09
limited
29:10
war,
29:11
In
29:11
October
29:12
of
29:12
1950,
29:14
it's
29:14
not
29:14
just
29:15
North
29:15
Korea
29:16
fighting
29:17
South
29:17
Korea
29:18
and
29:18
the
29:18
United
29:18
States,
29:19
but
29:19
it's
29:19
China
29:20
that
29:21
has
29:21
entered
29:21
the
29:21
war.
29:22
Hundreds
29:23
of
29:23
thousands
29:24
of
29:24
Chinese
29:24
troops
29:25
pour
29:25
across
29:26
the
29:26
Yalu
29:26
river
29:27
into
29:27
North
29:27
Korea
29:28
and
29:28
actively
29:29
fight
29:29
Americans.
29:31
And
29:31
the
29:32
President's
29:32
response
29:33
is
29:34
to
29:34
ask
29:34
Congress
29:35
to
29:35
declare
29:35
a
29:36
national
29:36
emergency.
29:37
He
29:37
worked
29:38
with
29:38
Congress,
29:39
and
29:40
after
29:40
he
29:40
gets
29:41
the
29:41
powers
29:42
that
29:42
come
29:43
to
29:43
him
29:44
in
29:44
this
29:44
national
29:45
emergency,
29:46
he
29:46
imposes
29:47
wage
29:47
and
29:48
price
29:48
controls.
29:49
The
29:50
fear
29:50
is
29:51
that
29:52
consumer
29:52
goods
29:53
will
29:54
develop
29:55
shortages
29:55
and
29:56
prices
29:56
will
29:57
escalate
29:57
inflation.
29:59
The
29:59
way
29:59
to
29:59
control
30:00
inflation
30:00
in
30:01
this
30:01
situation,
30:02
the
30:02
government
30:03
believes,
30:03
is
30:04
to
30:04
say,
30:04
nobody
30:05
can
30:05
raise
30:05
your
30:05
prices
30:06
and
30:07
nobody
30:08
can
30:08
get
30:08
a
30:08
raise.
30:09
Well,
30:09
that's
30:10
great,
30:10
you
30:10
know,
30:11
well,
30:11
not
30:11
great,
30:11
but
30:12
it's.
30:12
It's
30:12
easier
30:13
to
30:13
understand
30:14
for
30:14
people
30:14
who
30:15
are
30:15
working
30:15
for
30:15
an
30:15
hourly
30:16
wage
30:16
for
30:16
factory
30:17
workers,
30:18
if
30:18
you
30:19
know
30:19
you're
30:19
making
30:20
$8
30:21
an
30:21
hour
30:21
and
30:22
you
30:22
know
30:22
when
30:23
you
30:23
go
30:23
to
30:23
the
30:23
grocery
30:24
store
30:24
that
30:24
a
30:24
loaf
30:24
of
30:25
bread
30:25
is
30:25
going
30:26
to
30:26
cost
30:26
12
30:27
cents,
30:28
and
30:28
next
30:28
week
30:28
it's
30:29
still
30:29
going
30:29
to
30:29
cost
30:29
12
30:30
cents,
30:30
and
30:30
the
30:30
week
30:30
after
30:31
that
30:31
it's
30:31
still
30:31
going
30:32
to
30:32
cost
30:32
12
30:32
cents
30:33
because
30:33
prices
30:34
can
30:34
go
30:34
up,
30:34
then
30:35
you're
30:35
not
30:35
so
30:36
desperate
30:37
to
30:37
get
30:37
a
30:37
raise.
30:38
But
30:39
baseball
30:39
players
30:40
and
30:40
baseball
30:41
team
30:41
owners
30:41
say,
30:42
well,
30:42
you
30:42
know,
30:43
we
30:43
agree
30:43
with
30:44
wage
30:44
and
30:44
price
30:44
controls,
30:45
but
30:45
aren't
30:46
baseball
30:46
players
30:47
special?
30:50
Don't
30:50
they
30:50
have
30:50
special
30:51
talent?
30:52
Don't
30:53
they
30:53
have
30:53
limited
30:54
careers?
30:55
And
30:55
so
30:55
do
30:56
those
30:56
regulations
30:57
apply
30:57
to
30:58
us?
30:59
So
30:59
baseball
31:00
teams
31:00
had
31:00
to
31:01
deal
31:01
with
31:01
the
31:02
government
31:02
regulations
31:03
that
31:03
came
31:05
prior
31:05
to
31:05
the
31:05
1951
31:06
season
31:07
and
31:07
prior
31:07
to
31:08
the
31:08
1952
31:09
season
31:10
and
31:10
try
31:10
to
31:10
deal
31:10
with
31:11
them.
31:11
The
31:11
government
31:11
rule
31:12
in
31:12
1951
31:13
was
31:15
no
31:16
raises
31:16
for
31:16
individual
31:17
players.
31:19
If
31:19
you
31:20
play
31:20
for
31:20
$8,000
31:21
a
31:21
year
31:21
in
31:21
1950,
31:22
that's
31:23
what
31:23
your
31:23
salary
31:23
will
31:24
be
31:24
in
31:24
1951.
31:25
And
31:26
a
31:26
year
31:26
later,
31:26
they
31:27
revised
31:29
the
31:29
regulations
31:31
and
31:31
they
31:31
said,
31:31
well,
31:32
individual
31:32
salaries
31:33
can
31:33
fluctuate,
31:34
but
31:34
the
31:34
total
31:35
team
31:35
payroll
31:37
cannot
31:38
increase.
31:38
In
31:39
other
31:39
words,
31:40
a
31:40
salary
31:41
cap.
31:43
So
31:44
baseball
31:44
once
31:44
had
31:45
a
31:45
salary
31:45
cap?
31:45
Yeah,
31:46
well,
31:47
kind
31:47
of,
31:47
kind
31:48
of.
31:48
The
31:48
regulations
31:50
get
31:50
very.
31:51
In
31:51
the
31:52
first
31:52
case,
31:53
the
31:54
poster
31:54
child
31:55
for
31:56
what
31:56
should
31:56
we
31:56
do
31:57
about
31:57
individual
31:57
salaries
31:58
is
31:58
Stan
31:59
Musial,
32:00
because
32:00
he
32:00
has
32:01
just.
32:01
Prior
32:02
to
32:02
the
32:02
regulations
32:04
being
32:04
enacted,
32:05
he
32:05
had
32:06
signed
32:06
a
32:06
two
32:06
year
32:07
contract
32:07
with
32:07
the
32:07
Cardinals
32:09
calling
32:09
for
32:09
a
32:09
raise
32:10
from
32:11
$50,000
32:12
a
32:12
year
32:13
to
32:13
$75,000
32:15
a
32:15
year.
32:16
$25,000
32:17
back
32:17
then
32:17
is
32:18
a
32:18
big
32:18
number.
32:18
And
32:19
so
32:19
Stan
32:19
says,
32:20
hold
32:20
on,
32:21
I've
32:21
already
32:21
signed
32:22
this
32:22
contract.
32:22
Do
32:23
I
32:23
get
32:23
this
32:23
money?
32:24
That
32:24
took
32:25
months
32:25
to
32:25
figure
32:26
out.
32:27
And
32:27
the
32:27
next
32:28
year,
32:29
when
32:29
teams
32:30
are
32:30
told
32:30
that
32:30
there's
32:31
a
32:31
salary
32:31
cap,
32:32
Walter
32:33
o',
32:33
Malley,
32:34
who's
32:34
running
32:34
the
32:34
Dodgers,
32:35
says,
32:35
hold
32:36
on,
32:36
I've
32:37
already
32:37
signed
32:38
two
32:38
thirds
32:39
of
32:39
my
32:39
team
32:39
to
32:40
contracts
32:40
for
32:41
1952.
32:42
Are
32:42
you
32:42
telling
32:43
me
32:43
that
32:43
I've
32:43
got
32:43
to
32:43
reduce
32:44
the
32:44
salaries
32:45
of
32:45
the
32:45
other
32:46
guys,
32:47
or
32:47
do
32:47
we
32:47
have
32:47
to
32:48
rip
32:48
up
32:48
contracts
32:49
that
32:49
have
32:49
already
32:49
been
32:50
signed?
32:51
These
32:51
are
32:52
tough
32:52
questions.
32:53
Yeah,
32:53
not
32:53
going
32:54
to
32:54
happen.
32:54
No,
32:55
not
32:55
going
32:55
to
32:55
happen.
32:56
And
32:57
so,
32:57
you
32:57
know,
32:58
those
32:58
are
32:58
the
32:58
two
32:59
big
32:59
questions
33:00
that
33:00
baseball
33:00
has
33:00
to
33:01
deal
33:01
with.
33:01
Who's
33:02
going
33:02
to
33:02
play
33:02
and
33:03
how
33:03
much
33:03
are
33:03
they
33:04
going
33:04
to
33:04
be
33:04
paid?
33:05
Well,
33:07
speaking
33:07
of
33:07
who's
33:08
going
33:08
to
33:09
play,
33:13
you
33:13
sort
33:14
of
33:14
answered
33:14
this
33:15
earlier,
33:16
but
33:17
why
33:18
were
33:18
so
33:19
few,
33:21
at
33:21
least
33:21
from
33:22
what
33:22
I
33:22
could
33:23
tell,
33:23
so
33:23
few
33:24
active
33:25
major
33:25
leaguers
33:27
actually
33:27
in
33:28
combat
33:30
in
33:30
the
33:31
Korean
33:31
War
33:32
compared
33:32
to
33:32
other
33:33
wars?
33:34
Well,
33:36
you
33:36
know,
33:36
I
33:37
don't
33:37
know
33:37
if
33:37
it
33:37
was
33:37
so
33:38
different
33:39
from
33:40
World
33:40
War
33:40
II.
33:41
I
33:41
mean,
33:42
we
33:42
know
33:42
that,
33:42
you
33:43
know,
33:43
Bob
33:43
Feller
33:44
was
33:44
on
33:44
a
33:45
Navy
33:45
ship
33:45
and
33:46
was
33:46
in
33:46
harm's
33:47
way
33:48
throughout
33:49
the
33:49
war.
33:50
We
33:50
know
33:51
that
33:51
Warren
33:51
Spahn
33:52
was
33:52
in
33:52
the
33:52
infantry
33:53
and
33:53
fought
33:53
at
33:53
the
33:54
Battle
33:54
of
33:54
the
33:54
Bulge.
33:55
But
33:55
there
33:55
were
33:55
an
33:56
awful
33:56
lot
33:56
of
33:56
ballplayers
33:57
who
33:58
were
33:58
either
33:58
stationed
33:59
in
33:59
the
33:59
United
33:59
States
34:00
During
34:00
World
34:01
War
34:01
II
34:01
or
34:01
stationed
34:02
abroad,
34:03
and
34:03
their
34:03
job
34:03
was
34:04
playing
34:04
ball.
34:07
Camp
34:07
commanders,
34:08
post
34:08
commanders
34:09
all
34:09
had
34:09
baseball
34:10
teams,
34:10
and
34:10
if
34:11
they
34:11
could
34:11
get
34:11
their
34:11
hands
34:11
on
34:12
a
34:12
couple
34:12
of
34:12
major
34:12
leaguers
34:13
to
34:13
win
34:13
the
34:13
games,
34:14
you
34:14
know,
34:14
which
34:15
were
34:15
put
34:15
on
34:15
to,
34:15
quote,
34:16
entertain
34:16
the
34:17
troops,
34:18
that
34:19
was
34:19
a
34:19
pretty
34:19
good
34:19
thing.
34:19
Well,
34:20
the
34:20
same
34:20
thing
34:20
happened
34:21
in
34:21
Korea.
34:22
Most.
34:23
Most
34:24
ball
34:24
players
34:24
who
34:25
were
34:25
called
34:25
to
34:25
service
34:26
stayed
34:26
in
34:26
the
34:27
United
34:27
States.
34:27
Some
34:28
went
34:28
to
34:28
Europe.
34:29
Remember,
34:30
there's
34:31
a
34:31
Cold
34:31
War
34:31
in
34:31
Europe.
34:32
The
34:32
Soviet
34:32
Union
34:33
controls.
34:34
Remember
34:34
the
34:35
Soviet
34:35
Union?
34:36
The
34:36
Soviet
34:36
Union
34:37
controls
34:37
half
34:37
of
34:38
half
34:38
of
34:38
Europe.
34:39
So
34:39
some
34:39
soldiers
34:40
go
34:40
to
34:40
Europe.
34:41
Kurt
34:41
Simmons
34:41
went
34:41
to
34:42
Europe.
34:42
He
34:43
didn't
34:43
go
34:43
to
34:43
Korea.
34:47
Just
34:47
a
34:47
few
34:48
actually
34:48
served
34:49
in
34:49
Korea.
34:49
There
34:50
were
34:50
four
34:50
active
34:51
major
34:51
leaguers
34:52
whose
34:53
military
34:54
service
34:55
took
34:55
them
34:56
to
34:56
Korea.
34:56
Jerry
34:57
Coleman,
34:57
Ted
34:57
Williams,
34:58
an
34:59
outfielder
34:59
named
34:59
Lloyd
35:00
Merriman,
35:00
who
35:01
we've
35:01
kind
35:01
of
35:01
forgotten
35:01
about,
35:02
and
35:02
Bobby
35:03
Brown,
35:03
a
35:03
doctor
35:04
who
35:05
actually
35:05
served
35:05
at
35:05
a
35:05
MASH
35:06
hospital
35:07
and
35:08
later,
35:08
of
35:08
course,
35:08
became
35:09
president
35:09
of
35:10
the
35:10
American
35:10
League.
35:16
You
35:16
talked
35:17
about
35:18
J.W.
35:19
Porter.
35:22
Can
35:23
you
35:23
share
35:23
a
35:23
story
35:24
of
35:24
any
35:24
other
35:25
players
35:25
whose
35:26
career
35:26
trajectory
35:28
you
35:28
also
35:29
talked
35:29
about,
35:29
Willie
35:29
Mays
35:30
might
35:30
have
35:31
been
35:31
permanently
35:32
altered
35:32
by
35:32
the
35:33
war?
35:35
Sure.
35:37
Let
35:37
me
35:38
give
35:38
you
35:38
a
35:38
Couple.
35:40
Some
35:40
baseball
35:41
fans
35:42
may
35:42
remember
35:42
the
35:42
name
35:43
Tony
35:43
Bartarome,
35:45
who
35:45
finished
35:45
his
35:46
career
35:46
not
35:46
as
35:46
a
35:46
player
35:47
but
35:47
as
35:47
a
35:47
trainer
35:48
of
35:48
the
35:48
Pittsburgh
35:49
Pirates.
35:50
But
35:50
he
35:50
had
35:51
been.
35:52
He
35:52
had
35:52
been
35:52
a
35:52
major
35:53
leaguer
35:53
before
35:54
Korea.
35:54
He
35:55
played
35:55
124
35:56
games
35:57
for
35:57
the
35:58
Pirates
35:59
in
35:59
1952
36:00
and
36:01
spent
36:01
the
36:01
next
36:01
two
36:02
years
36:02
in
36:02
the
36:03
Army.
36:03
And
36:03
he
36:04
told
36:04
Ron
36:04
Kaplan,
36:05
my
36:06
friend,
36:06
he
36:06
said,
36:06
I
36:06
was
36:07
stationed
36:07
in
36:07
Berlin.
36:10
The
36:10
war
36:10
wasn't
36:11
hot,
36:11
but
36:11
we
36:11
were
36:12
under
36:12
a
36:12
lot
36:12
of
36:13
pressure
36:13
because,
36:13
as
36:14
you
36:14
know,
36:14
Berlin
36:14
was
36:15
behind
36:16
the
36:16
Iron
36:16
Curtain.
36:17
And
36:17
then
36:18
he
36:18
added,
36:18
when
36:18
you
36:18
miss
36:19
two
36:19
seasons,
36:20
you're
36:20
bound
36:20
to
36:21
lose
36:21
something.
36:21
I
36:21
know
36:22
I
36:22
lost
36:22
a
36:22
step
36:22
or
36:23
two,
36:23
but
36:23
I
36:24
was
36:24
proud
36:24
to
36:24
serve
36:25
my
36:25
country.
36:26
He
36:26
did
36:26
not
36:27
play
36:27
in
36:27
the
36:28
major
36:28
leagues
36:29
again.
36:31
Del
36:31
Crandall,
36:32
on
36:32
the
36:32
other
36:32
hand,
36:32
catcher
36:33
for
36:33
the
36:33
Braves
36:34
when
36:34
they
36:35
win
36:35
the
36:36
two
36:36
pennants
36:37
in
36:37
57
36:37
and
36:37
58
36:38
in
36:38
the
36:38
world
36:38
Series.
36:39
Later,
36:39
a
36:39
manager.
36:40
He
36:40
was
36:40
a
36:40
manager.
36:41
Yes,
36:41
he
36:41
was
36:41
right.
36:42
Made
36:42
his
36:42
major
36:43
league
36:43
debut
36:43
in
36:43
June
36:44
1949.
36:45
And
36:45
he
36:45
said,
36:45
I
36:46
came
36:46
to
36:46
the
36:46
major
36:46
leagues
36:47
at
36:48
the
36:48
age
36:48
of
36:48
19
36:49
and
36:49
spent
36:49
one
36:49
and
36:49
a
36:50
half
36:50
years
36:50
in
36:50
the
36:50
majors
36:51
before
36:51
going
36:51
to
36:52
into
36:52
the
36:52
service.
36:53
I
36:53
felt
36:54
the
36:54
time
36:54
in
36:54
the
36:55
service
36:55
helped
36:55
me
36:55
to
36:56
mature
36:56
and
36:57
overall
36:57
was
36:58
good
36:58
for
36:58
me.
36:59
But
36:59
I
36:59
was
36:59
fortunate
37:00
to
37:00
play
37:00
ball
37:01
in
37:01
the
37:01
States
37:01
and
37:02
in
37:02
Japan.
37:03
Therefore,
37:04
I
37:04
came
37:04
out
37:05
of
37:05
the
37:05
service
37:05
in
37:06
good
37:06
shape.
37:07
Vernon
37:08
Law
37:09
said
37:09
the
37:09
opposite.
37:10
You
37:10
can't
37:10
be
37:10
away
37:11
from
37:11
the
37:11
game
37:11
for
37:11
two
37:12
years
37:12
without
37:13
it
37:13
affecting
37:13
your
37:14
arm
37:14
strength
37:15
and
37:15
your
37:15
batting
37:15
eye.
37:16
So,
37:16
yes,
37:17
military
37:17
service
37:18
did
37:18
affect
37:19
my
37:20
ability.
37:22
So
37:22
it's
37:22
a
37:23
mixed
37:23
bag.
37:25
Some
37:25
people
37:25
thought
37:26
being
37:27
in
37:27
the
37:27
service
37:27
hurt
37:28
them,
37:28
their
37:28
careers.
37:29
Some
37:30
were
37:30
not
37:30
so
37:30
sure.
37:32
Here's
37:33
a
37:33
funny
37:33
question
37:33
for
37:34
you.
37:34
I
37:34
don't
37:34
know
37:34
if
37:34
you
37:34
can
37:35
answer
37:35
this.
37:37
Del
37:37
Crandall,
37:38
he
37:39
didn't
37:39
see
37:39
combat.
37:41
It
37:41
was
37:41
the
37:41
same
37:41
thing
37:42
in
37:44
football.
37:45
In
37:45
some
37:46
of
37:46
the
37:46
wars,
37:46
they
37:47
players
37:49
didn't
37:49
see
37:50
combat.
37:50
They
37:50
trained
37:51
at
37:51
the
37:51
Great
37:51
Lakes
37:52
Naval
37:53
Training
37:53
Academy.
37:54
They
37:54
didn't.
37:55
They
37:55
didn't
37:56
actually
37:57
see
37:58
any
37:58
combat
37:59
time,
37:59
like
37:59
Ted
37:59
Williams
38:00
saw
38:00
combat
38:01
time.
38:04
As.
38:04
Well
38:04
as
38:05
many
38:05
others.
38:07
Do
38:08
you
38:08
think,
38:09
again,
38:09
this
38:10
is
38:10
personal
38:10
opinion.
38:11
You
38:11
don't
38:11
have
38:11
to
38:11
answer
38:12
it.
38:12
You
38:12
might
38:12
not
38:13
know
38:13
how
38:13
to
38:13
answer
38:13
it,
38:15
that
38:15
any
38:16
of
38:16
those
38:16
guys
38:17
that
38:20
were
38:20
in
38:21
the
38:21
armed
38:21
forces
38:24
but
38:25
got
38:25
to
38:25
play
38:25
baseball,
38:26
got
38:26
to
38:27
play
38:27
football
38:28
and
38:28
didn't
38:28
see
38:29
combat
38:29
time.
38:30
You
38:31
think
38:31
any
38:31
of
38:32
them
38:32
felt
38:32
any
38:33
guilt
38:33
at
38:34
all?
38:36
Well,
38:36
that's
38:36
a
38:36
tough
38:36
question,
38:37
of
38:37
course,
38:37
and
38:38
it
38:38
probably
38:38
varies
38:39
from
38:39
player
38:39
to
38:39
player.
38:39
But
38:40
I
38:40
would
38:40
think.
38:41
I
38:41
would
38:41
think
38:41
that
38:42
in
38:43
the
38:43
last
38:43
analysis,
38:44
people
38:44
who
38:44
didn't
38:45
see
38:45
combat
38:46
felt
38:46
lucky,
38:49
especially
38:49
if
38:50
they
38:50
knew
38:51
others
38:51
who
38:52
did.
38:55
This
38:55
book
38:55
is
38:55
About
38:56
Korea,
38:56
of
38:56
course,
38:57
and
38:57
what
38:57
we
38:57
learn
38:57
about
38:58
the
38:58
war,
38:58
as
38:59
you
38:59
read
38:59
those
39:00
sections,
39:01
is
39:01
that
39:02
this
39:02
was
39:03
terrible.
39:04
I
39:04
mean,
39:04
Korea
39:05
was
39:05
awful.
39:07
The
39:07
title
39:07
of
39:07
the
39:07
book
39:08
is
39:08
Deliberate
39:09
Warm
39:09
Summers,
39:10
Very
39:11
warm
39:11
summers
39:12
and
39:13
Cold
39:13
Winters.
39:14
And
39:15
we
39:15
mean
39:15
temperatures
39:16
of
39:17
30,
39:18
40,
39:18
50
39:19
degrees
39:20
below
39:20
zero.
39:22
Yes.
39:23
And
39:23
to
39:23
put
39:24
anybody
39:24
in
39:24
that
39:25
situation
39:26
has
39:26
to
39:26
have
39:26
a
39:26
deleterious
39:27
effect
39:27
upon
39:28
them.
39:32
What
39:32
about
39:32
the
39:33
players
39:35
that
39:35
were
39:35
affected
39:36
who
39:36
lost
39:36
their
39:37
prime
39:37
years?
39:40
Your
39:41
friend
39:42
Ron
39:43
Caplan.
39:43
Did
39:43
you
39:43
say
39:44
Ron
39:44
Caplan?
39:44
Yes,
39:45
Ron
39:45
Caplan.
39:45
He
39:46
did
39:46
some
39:46
interviews.
39:47
I
39:47
don't
39:47
know
39:47
how
39:47
many
39:48
interviews
39:49
you
39:49
were
39:49
fortunate
39:50
enough
39:50
to
39:51
conduct.
39:53
The
39:53
players
39:54
that
39:54
lost
39:54
some
39:55
of
39:55
those
39:55
prime
39:56
years,
39:58
did
39:58
they
39:58
view
39:59
service
39:59
as.
40:00
As
40:01
a
40:01
sacrifice?
40:02
They're
40:03
proud
40:03
of
40:03
it.
40:04
Did
40:04
they
40:04
view
40:04
it
40:05
as
40:05
a
40:05
setback?
40:06
Both.
40:07
How
40:07
did
40:08
some
40:08
of
40:08
those
40:08
players
40:09
that
40:10
lost
40:11
time.
40:13
And
40:13
you
40:13
mentioned
40:14
JW
40:14
Porter,
40:17
how
40:17
did
40:17
they
40:17
view
40:18
it?
40:18
Well,
40:18
I
40:18
think
40:19
the
40:19
outstanding
40:20
example
40:20
is
40:20
Jerry
40:21
Coleman,
40:23
who
40:23
flew
40:24
combat
40:25
missions
40:25
during
40:26
World
40:26
War
40:26
II,
40:27
then
40:28
played
40:28
with
40:28
the
40:28
Yankees,
40:29
was
40:30
recalled
40:31
to
40:31
service
40:31
and
40:32
flew
40:32
combat
40:32
missions
40:33
in
40:33
Korea
40:34
and
40:34
was
40:34
nearly
40:35
killed
40:37
on
40:37
at
40:37
least
40:38
two
40:38
occasions
40:38
and
40:39
was
40:39
eventually
40:39
grounded
40:40
because,
40:40
as
40:40
he
40:41
said,
40:41
things
40:41
were
40:42
beginning
40:42
to
40:42
get
40:43
to
40:43
me,
40:44
meaning
40:44
he
40:45
was
40:45
having
40:45
some
40:45
emotional
40:47
difficulties.
40:49
I
40:49
think
40:49
Gerry
40:50
Coleman
40:50
is
40:51
the
40:51
outstanding
40:52
example
40:52
of.
40:53
Of
40:53
someone
40:53
who
40:54
said,
40:54
my
40:55
country
40:55
called
40:56
me,
40:56
and
40:57
I
40:57
serve
40:58
willingly
40:59
and
40:59
proudly.
41:01
But
41:01
for
41:02
others,
41:04
their
41:04
attitude,
41:05
I
41:05
think,
41:06
is
41:07
influenced
41:08
by
41:08
the
41:08
fact
41:08
that
41:09
this
41:09
war
41:10
was
41:11
an
41:11
uncertain
41:12
war.
41:12
What's
41:12
the
41:13
goal
41:13
here?
41:14
What
41:14
are
41:14
we
41:14
trying
41:15
to
41:15
accomplish?
41:16
How
41:17
will
41:17
we
41:17
know
41:17
when
41:18
we
41:18
win
41:18
the
41:19
war
41:19
or
41:19
when
41:19
it
41:19
will
41:20
be
41:20
over?
41:20
And
41:20
then,
41:21
of
41:21
course,
41:21
when
41:21
it
41:21
does
41:21
end,
41:22
in
41:22
1953,
41:24
with
41:26
basically
41:28
the
41:28
border
41:29
that
41:29
was
41:30
existing
41:30
beforehand,
41:31
a
41:32
cessation
41:32
of
41:32
hostilities
41:33
but
41:33
no
41:33
peace
41:34
treaty,
41:35
people
41:35
are
41:35
wondering,
41:36
why
41:37
did
41:37
we
41:37
do
41:37
this?
41:37
What
41:38
was
41:38
this
41:38
all
41:38
about?
41:40
Why
41:41
did
41:41
we
41:41
sacrifice?
41:43
And
41:43
Korea?
41:44
It
41:45
becomes
41:46
a
41:46
part
41:46
of
41:46
people's
41:47
memory
41:47
that
41:47
they
41:47
don't
41:48
want
41:48
to
41:48
think
41:48
about
41:49
because
41:49
there
41:50
are
41:50
not
41:50
positive
41:50
thoughts
41:53
in
41:53
so
41:53
many
41:53
cases.
41:55
You
41:55
know,
41:55
one
41:56
of
41:56
the
41:56
interesting
41:56
things
41:57
that
41:57
you
41:57
did,
42:00
when
42:01
you
42:01
write
42:01
the
42:01
dedication
42:02
to
42:02
a
42:02
book,
42:03
it's
42:03
usually
42:04
family
42:05
members,
42:06
friends,
42:06
you
42:06
know,
42:07
your
42:07
wife,
42:08
your
42:08
husband,
42:09
your
42:09
son,
42:09
your
42:10
daughter,
42:10
your
42:10
mom,
42:11
your
42:11
dad.
42:13
You
42:13
dedicated
42:14
your
42:15
book
42:16
to
42:16
players
42:17
who
42:17
lost
42:18
their
42:18
lives
42:19
in
42:20
that
42:20
war.
42:21
How
42:21
important
42:22
was
42:22
it
42:22
for
42:23
you
42:23
to
42:23
center
42:25
those
42:26
forgotten
42:26
names?
42:28
This.
42:29
This
42:29
was
42:29
a
42:29
thought
42:30
that
42:30
evolved.
42:32
It
42:32
was
42:33
not
42:33
my
42:33
plan
42:33
to
42:34
dedicate
42:34
the
42:34
book
42:35
to
42:35
those
42:36
citizen
42:36
soldiers
42:37
at
42:37
the
42:37
very
42:37
beginning,
42:38
but
42:39
the
42:39
more
42:39
I
42:39
read,
42:40
the
42:40
more
42:40
I
42:41
learned,
42:41
the
42:41
more
42:41
I
42:42
wrote
42:44
about
42:44
these
42:45
players
42:45
and
42:45
others,
42:46
I
42:46
decided
42:47
that
42:51
they
42:51
deserved
42:52
some
42:52
recognition.
42:53
You
42:53
know,
42:54
there's
42:54
an
42:54
old
42:55
aphorism
42:56
that
42:56
says
42:58
each
42:58
of
42:58
us
42:58
dies
42:59
twice.
43:00
Once
43:01
when
43:01
our
43:01
body
43:02
Dies.
43:02
And
43:03
second,
43:04
when
43:04
somebody
43:05
says
43:05
our
43:05
name
43:06
for
43:06
the
43:06
last
43:06
time,
43:09
that's
43:09
profound,
43:10
I
43:10
think.
43:11
Yeah.
43:11
Now
43:11
I
43:11
know
43:13
21
43:13
ball
43:14
players,
43:15
one
43:15
former
43:16
major
43:16
leaguer
43:17
and
43:18
20
43:18
minor
43:18
leaguers
43:19
served
43:20
their
43:20
country
43:21
and
43:21
gave
43:21
their
43:22
lives
43:22
for
43:22
their
43:22
country.
43:23
That
43:23
is
43:24
a
43:24
profound
43:25
sacrifice.
43:25
Everybody
43:26
knows
43:27
that.
43:27
And
43:28
I'm
43:28
sure
43:28
that
43:28
within
43:28
their
43:29
communities
43:29
and
43:30
certainly
43:30
within
43:30
their
43:31
families,
43:31
their
43:32
memory
43:33
lives
43:33
on.
43:34
But
43:34
in
43:34
the
43:35
baseball
43:35
community,
43:36
these
43:36
guys
43:37
have
43:37
been
43:37
forgotten.
43:38
And
43:38
so
43:39
I
43:39
spend
43:39
a
43:39
paragraph
43:40
or
43:40
two
43:41
on
43:41
each
43:41
of
43:41
these
43:41
guys
43:42
when
43:42
their
43:42
time
43:43
came,
43:43
to
43:44
talk
43:44
about
43:44
what
43:44
their
43:45
sacrifice
43:45
involved.
43:47
And
43:47
I
43:47
decided
43:47
to
43:48
dedicate
43:48
the
43:48
book
43:49
to
43:49
the
43:49
21
43:50
players
43:50
who
43:51
lost
43:51
their
43:51
lives
43:51
and
43:52
to
43:52
the
43:52
one
43:53
former
43:53
ballplayer,
43:54
a
43:54
minor
43:54
leaguer,
43:55
who
43:56
was
43:56
taken
43:56
prisoner
43:57
and
43:58
suffered
43:59
unbelievably
44:01
under
44:01
the
44:02
authority
44:02
of
44:02
the
44:03
Chinese.
44:07
All
44:07
right,
44:07
Steve,
44:08
we,
44:08
we,
44:08
we,
44:08
we've
44:09
discussed
44:09
some,
44:10
some
44:10
of
44:10
the
44:12
darker
44:12
moments
44:13
of
44:13
the
44:13
book.
44:13
Let's
44:14
talk
44:14
about
44:14
some
44:14
of
44:14
the
44:14
fun
44:15
stuff.
44:15
Oh,
44:15
you
44:16
know,
44:17
while
44:17
the
44:17
war
44:17
was
44:18
going
44:18
on,
44:19
yes.
44:19
Baseball
44:20
still
44:20
produced
44:21
some
44:21
very
44:21
iconic
44:22
moments.
44:23
You
44:23
bet.
44:23
You
44:24
already
44:24
talked
44:24
about,
44:24
you
44:25
know,
44:25
the
44:25
Whiz
44:25
Kids,
44:26
Willie
44:27
Mays
44:27
and
44:27
Mickey
44:28
Mantle
44:29
and
44:30
Bobby
44:30
Thompson's
44:31
shot,
44:32
Herb
44:33
Round
44:33
the
44:33
World
44:35
talk
44:35
about
44:35
some
44:36
of
44:36
that.
44:36
And
44:36
maybe
44:38
how
44:38
do
44:38
you
44:39
reconcile
44:39
this
44:40
great
44:40
stuff
44:40
that
44:41
happened
44:41
during
44:41
such
44:42
a
44:43
hard
44:43
time
44:44
in
44:44
American
44:44
history?
44:45
Yeah,
44:45
well,
44:45
I
44:46
think
44:46
overall
44:46
we
44:47
can
44:47
say
44:47
that
44:49
although
44:49
a
44:50
number
44:50
of
44:50
players
44:50
were
44:51
called
44:51
to
44:51
service,
44:51
the
44:52
corporate
44:52
quality
44:52
of
44:52
play
44:53
did
44:54
not
44:54
decline
44:54
as
44:55
it
44:55
did
44:55
in
44:55
the
44:55
last
44:55
years
44:56
of
44:56
World
44:56
War
44:56
II.
44:57
And
44:57
so
44:57
these
44:58
were
44:58
four
44:58
exciting
44:59
major
44:59
league
45:00
seasons.
45:01
1950.
45:02
The
45:03
Yankees
45:03
in
45:03
the
45:03
American
45:04
League
45:04
with
45:04
a
45:04
very
45:05
good
45:05
team,
45:07
and
45:07
the
45:08
Wiz
45:08
Kids
45:08
in
45:08
the
45:08
National
45:09
League.
45:09
Young
45:10
players
45:10
who
45:11
all
45:11
kind
45:11
of
45:11
come
45:12
up
45:12
to
45:12
the
45:12
majors
45:13
together,
45:13
not
45:14
the
45:14
entire
45:14
roster,
45:15
but
45:15
a
45:15
good
45:15
bunch
45:15
of
45:15
them.
45:16
They're
45:17
promoted
45:18
from
45:18
the
45:18
minor
45:18
leagues
45:19
to
45:19
the
45:19
Phillies
45:19
and
45:19
their
45:20
manager
45:20
is
45:20
promoted,
45:21
Eddie
45:22
Sawyer,
45:22
to,
45:23
to
45:23
lead
45:24
them.
45:24
And
45:24
they,
45:25
they
45:25
win
45:25
the
45:25
pennant.
45:26
They're
45:26
so
45:26
young,
45:27
they're
45:27
called
45:27
the
45:27
Whiz
45:28
Kids.
45:29
And
45:30
win
45:31
the
45:31
National
45:31
League
45:31
pennant
45:32
on
45:32
the
45:32
last
45:32
day
45:33
of
45:33
the
45:33
season
45:33
against
45:33
the
45:34
Dodgers
45:34
and
45:35
then
45:35
lose
45:35
four
45:36
straight
45:36
to
45:36
the
45:36
Yankees
45:37
in
45:37
the
45:37
World
45:37
Series.
45:38
Boy,
45:38
was
45:39
a
45:39
bigger
45:39
balloon
45:40
ever
45:40
burst
45:41
so
45:41
quickly?
45:42
I
45:42
don't,
45:42
I
45:42
don't
45:42
think
45:43
so.
45:43
Of
45:43
course,
45:43
the
45:43
following
45:44
season,
45:44
1951,
45:46
Mays
45:46
makes
45:46
his
45:47
debut,
45:47
Mantle
45:48
makes
45:48
his
45:48
debut.
45:49
DiMaggio
45:49
says,
45:50
this
45:50
will
45:50
be
45:50
my
45:50
last
45:51
year.
45:52
The
45:52
Dodgers
45:52
have
45:53
a
45:53
13
45:53
and
45:53
a
45:53
half
45:54
game
45:54
lead
45:54
on
45:54
the
45:54
Giants
45:55
in
45:55
mid
45:55
August
45:56
and
45:56
of
45:56
course
45:57
lose
45:57
the
45:57
pennant
45:58
to
45:58
Bobby
45:59
Thompson.
45:59
Shot
45:59
heard
46:00
round
46:00
the
46:00
world.
46:01
One
46:01
of
46:01
the,
46:01
One
46:01
of
46:02
the
46:02
most
46:02
famous
46:03
hits
46:04
in
46:04
the
46:04
history
46:04
of
46:05
base
46:05
home
46:05
runs
46:06
in
46:06
the
46:06
history
46:06
of
46:07
baseball.
46:07
One
46:08
of
46:08
the
46:08
most
46:09
famous
46:09
Pettit
46:10
races
46:11
in
46:11
the
46:11
history
46:12
of
46:12
baseball.
46:13
It
46:13
happened
46:13
during
46:14
this
46:14
time.
46:14
So
46:15
baseball
46:15
was
46:15
still
46:16
on
46:16
the
46:16
headlines
46:17
for
46:17
some
46:17
really
46:18
good
46:18
stuff.
46:19
Yes,
46:19
this
46:20
is
46:20
a
46:20
glorious
46:20
moment
46:21
for
46:21
Giant
46:21
fans.
46:22
Of
46:22
course,
46:22
I
46:22
know
46:23
some
46:23
old
46:23
Brooklyn
46:23
Dodgers
46:24
fans
46:24
who
46:24
say,
46:25
I
46:25
will
46:25
get
46:25
over
46:25
it.
46:26
Just
46:26
give
46:26
me
46:26
some
46:27
time.
46:28
My
46:28
father
46:28
hasn't.
46:33
Yeah.
46:34
I
46:34
mean,
46:35
great
46:35
stuff.
46:36
I
46:36
mean,
46:36
and
46:36
then,
46:37
you
46:37
know,
46:41
New
46:41
York.
46:42
Gosh,
46:43
I
46:43
hate
46:43
to
46:43
say
46:43
it.
46:43
New
46:44
York
46:44
was
46:44
sort
46:44
of
46:44
the.
46:44
Still,
46:45
the
46:45
baseball
46:46
universe
46:47
was
46:47
New
46:48
York.
46:48
You
46:48
had
46:48
the
46:48
Giants,
46:49
you
46:49
had
46:49
the
46:50
Dodgers,
46:50
you
46:50
had
46:51
the
46:51
Yankees
46:52
yet,
46:52
man.
46:53
You
46:53
had
46:53
Mays
46:54
yet
46:54
Snyder.
46:55
I
46:55
mean,
46:56
holy
46:57
moly.
46:57
It
46:58
was
46:58
a
46:58
great
46:59
time
46:59
for
46:59
baseball,
47:00
too,
47:00
during.
47:01
Yes,
47:03
it
47:03
certainly
47:03
was
47:03
a
47:04
great
47:04
time
47:04
for
47:04
baseball
47:04
in
47:05
New
47:05
York.
47:05
In
47:05
52
47:06
and
47:06
53,
47:06
of
47:06
course,
47:07
the
47:07
Yankees
47:07
win
47:07
the
47:07
American
47:08
League
47:08
pennant
47:08
again,
47:09
and
47:09
they
47:09
beat
47:09
the
47:10
Dodgers
47:10
in
47:10
the
47:11
World
47:11
Series
47:12
Both
47:13
times.
47:13
The
47:14
52
47:14
series.
47:16
Some
47:16
people
47:16
remember
47:17
Billy
47:17
Martin's
47:18
miraculous
47:18
catch
47:19
of
47:19
a
47:19
little
47:19
pop
47:20
fly
47:20
that
47:20
was
47:20
going
47:20
to
47:21
fall
47:21
in
47:21
and.
47:21
And.
47:22
And
47:22
cause
47:22
some
47:23
havoc
47:23
on
47:23
the
47:23
scoreboard.
47:25
But
47:25
he
47:25
was.
47:26
He
47:26
was
47:26
the
47:26
hero
47:27
in
47:27
52.
47:27
And
47:27
of
47:28
course,
47:28
through
47:29
53.
47:29
What.
47:30
What
47:30
Dodger
47:31
fans
47:31
knew
47:31
deep
47:31
in
47:32
their
47:32
hearts
47:32
is
47:32
that
47:32
we
47:33
were
47:33
good,
47:33
but
47:34
we
47:34
weren't
47:34
good
47:34
enough
47:35
to
47:35
beat
47:35
the
47:36
Yankees.
47:36
That
47:36
didn't
47:37
happen
47:37
for
47:38
another.
47:38
For
47:38
another
47:39
two
47:39
years.
47:39
And
47:40
then,
47:40
of
47:40
course,
47:41
only
47:41
once,
47:42
you
47:42
know,
47:42
Roger.
47:43
Roger
47:43
Khan.
47:44
These
47:45
are
47:45
the
47:45
boys
47:45
of
47:45
summer
47:46
years,
47:46
1952
47:47
and
47:47
1953.
47:49
And,
47:49
you
47:50
know,
47:50
between
47:50
1947
47:51
and
47:51
19
47:52
and
47:53
1959,
47:54
you
47:55
know,
47:55
a
47:55
New
47:55
York
47:55
team
47:56
is
47:57
1960.
47:57
New
47:58
York
47:58
teams
47:58
in
47:58
the
47:58
World
47:58
Series.
47:59
Every
48:00
year.
48:02
Every
48:02
year,
48:02
either
48:03
the
48:03
Yankees,
48:04
the
48:04
Dodgers,
48:05
the
48:05
Giants,
48:05
or
48:05
sometimes
48:06
two
48:06
of
48:06
the
48:06
three.
48:07
Yeah.
48:08
So
48:08
a
48:08
golden.
48:09
A
48:09
golden
48:09
age
48:10
for
48:10
New
48:10
York
48:10
baseball.
48:11
Yes.
48:11
And
48:11
of
48:12
course,
48:12
the
48:12
giants
48:13
won
48:13
in
48:13
54,
48:14
beat
48:14
the
48:15
Cleveland
48:15
Indians.
48:16
Right.
48:18
You
48:18
know,
48:20
you
48:20
also
48:20
talked
48:21
about
48:21
this.
48:23
Television
48:24
was,
48:25
you
48:25
know,
48:26
had
48:26
really
48:27
become
48:27
a
48:28
part
48:28
of
48:28
the
48:29
game
48:29
as
48:29
well.
48:30
How
48:30
did
48:31
the
48:31
rise
48:31
of
48:32
television
48:33
during
48:33
this
48:33
time
48:34
change
48:35
baseball's
48:36
relationship
48:37
with
48:37
the
48:37
audience?
48:39
Boy,
48:40
that's
48:41
a
48:41
good
48:41
question.
48:42
Baseball
48:42
did
48:43
not
48:43
know
48:43
what
48:43
to
48:44
do
48:44
about
48:45
television
48:47
20
48:47
years
48:47
before.
48:48
They
48:49
didn't
48:49
know
48:49
what
48:49
to
48:50
do
48:50
about
48:50
radio.
48:51
The
48:52
common
48:52
assumption
48:53
was
48:54
that
48:54
if
48:54
people
48:54
could
48:55
listen
48:55
to
48:55
games
48:56
on
48:56
the
48:56
radio,
48:57
they
48:57
wouldn't
48:58
bother
48:58
coming
48:58
to
48:59
the
48:59
ballpark.
49:01
Of
49:01
course,
49:01
the
49:02
opposite
49:02
was
49:02
true.
49:03
People
49:03
listened
49:04
to
49:04
games
49:04
on
49:04
the
49:05
radio
49:05
and
49:05
they
49:05
said
49:05
to
49:06
themselves,
49:06
boy,
49:07
this
49:07
sounds
49:07
like
49:07
fun.
49:08
Maybe
49:08
we
49:09
should
49:09
be
49:09
there
49:10
in
49:10
person.
49:11
We
49:11
can
49:11
analogize
49:13
the
49:13
situation
49:14
to
49:15
the
49:15
music
49:16
industry.
49:17
When
49:17
radio
49:18
stations
49:19
began
49:19
playing
49:20
records
49:21
on
49:21
the
49:22
radio,
49:23
record
49:24
executives
49:25
said,
49:25
if
49:25
we
49:26
let
49:26
them
49:26
do
49:26
this,
49:27
people
49:27
won't
49:28
go
49:28
out
49:28
and
49:28
Buy
49:28
the
49:29
records.
49:30
If
49:30
they
49:30
can
49:31
listen
49:31
to
49:31
the
49:31
song
49:32
on
49:32
the
49:32
radio,
49:32
they
49:33
won't
49:33
buy
49:33
the
49:34
record.
49:34
But
49:34
the
49:34
opposite
49:35
was
49:35
true.
49:36
People
49:36
said,
49:36
look,
49:37
there's
49:38
Frank
49:38
Sinatra's
49:39
latest
49:39
recording.
49:40
I
49:41
love
49:41
it
49:41
so
49:41
much,
49:42
I
49:42
need
49:42
a
49:43
copy
49:43
of
49:43
my
49:44
very
49:44
own.
49:45
So
49:45
I
49:45
don't
49:46
do
49:46
it
49:46
whenever
49:46
I
49:47
want.
49:47
Exactly,
49:48
exactly.
49:49
But
49:49
television
49:49
is
49:50
a
49:50
different
49:50
animal
49:51
because
49:51
it
49:52
is
49:52
so
49:53
mesmerizing.
49:54
You
49:55
know,
49:55
even
49:55
today,
49:56
if
49:57
we
49:57
listen
49:57
to
49:57
the
49:57
radio,
49:58
if
49:58
we
49:58
listen
49:59
to
49:59
a
49:59
podcast,
50:00
we
50:01
are
50:01
not
50:01
staring
50:02
at
50:02
a
50:02
screen.
50:02
We
50:03
are
50:03
perhaps
50:03
listening
50:04
and
50:04
doing
50:05
something
50:05
else
50:06
at
50:06
the
50:06
same
50:07
time.
50:07
But
50:08
television
50:08
grabs
50:10
our
50:10
attention.
50:12
And
50:12
when
50:13
baseball
50:13
began
50:14
to
50:14
be
50:14
televised,
50:16
club
50:16
owners,
50:17
major
50:17
league
50:18
club
50:18
owners
50:18
and
50:19
minor
50:19
league
50:19
club
50:19
owners
50:20
did
50:20
not
50:21
know
50:21
quite
50:21
what
50:22
to
50:22
do.
50:23
Television
50:24
stations
50:24
needed
50:25
programming.
50:26
People
50:26
are
50:26
going
50:27
to
50:27
watch
50:27
only
50:27
if
50:28
we're
50:28
broadcasting
50:29
something.
50:30
And
50:30
baseball
50:31
officials
50:31
thought
50:32
if
50:32
we
50:33
show
50:33
them
50:33
games
50:34
on
50:34
tv,
50:35
they're
50:35
not
50:35
going
50:36
to
50:36
come
50:36
to
50:36
the
50:36
ballpark.
50:38
So
50:38
they
50:38
made
50:38
an
50:38
attempt,
50:40
haphazard,
50:41
screwy,
50:42
to
50:42
try
50:42
to
50:42
restrict
50:43
the
50:43
amount
50:44
of
50:44
games
50:44
baseball
50:45
on
50:45
television
50:47
as
50:47
a
50:47
way
50:47
to
50:47
preserve
50:48
attendance.
50:49
But
50:49
what
50:50
they
50:50
came
50:50
to
50:50
learn
50:51
is
50:51
that
50:52
people
50:52
weren't
50:52
staying
50:53
home
50:53
to
50:53
watch
50:54
baseball
50:54
on
50:54
television.
50:55
They
50:56
were
50:56
staying
50:56
home
50:56
to
50:57
watch
50:57
television
50:58
because
50:59
it
50:59
is
50:59
so
51:00
mesmerizing.
51:01
Go
51:01
into
51:02
a
51:02
sports
51:02
bar
51:03
with
51:03
some
51:03
of
51:03
your
51:04
best
51:04
friends,
51:05
sit
51:05
down,
51:06
order
51:06
your
51:07
hamburgers,
51:07
your
51:07
fries
51:08
and
51:08
your
51:08
beers,
51:09
and
51:09
suddenly
51:10
nobody's
51:11
talking.
51:11
Everybody's
51:12
watching
51:13
the
51:13
game
51:13
on
51:14
the
51:14
screen.
51:15
Even
51:15
70
51:16
years
51:16
later,
51:17
we
51:17
are
51:18
still
51:18
mesmerized
51:20
by
51:21
television.
51:22
Now,
51:23
the
51:23
major
51:23
leagues
51:24
eventually
51:24
come
51:24
to
51:25
some
51:25
accommodation
51:26
and
51:26
they
51:26
figure
51:27
out
51:27
how
51:27
to
51:27
work
51:28
with
51:28
television.
51:29
But
51:29
the
51:29
minor
51:30
leagues
51:30
suffer.
51:31
Yeah.
51:32
Why?
51:32
Why
51:32
did
51:33
the
51:33
minor
51:33
leagues
51:35
struggle
51:36
so
51:37
terribly
51:38
during
51:38
this
51:38
time?
51:39
Well,
51:39
for.
51:40
For
51:40
a
51:40
number
51:40
of
51:41
reasons.
51:41
But.
51:42
But
51:42
the
51:42
one
51:43
directly
51:43
related
51:43
to
51:44
television
51:44
is
51:44
this.
51:45
You
51:45
know,
51:45
if
51:46
I
51:46
live
51:46
in
51:46
a
51:47
small
51:47
city
51:48
that
51:48
has
51:48
a
51:49
minor
51:49
league
51:49
team
51:50
in
51:50
a
51:50
Class
51:51
C
51:51
or
51:51
a
51:51
Class
51:52
B
51:52
or
51:52
a
51:52
class
51:53
single
51:53
A
51:54
league,
51:54
and
51:54
I've
51:55
got
51:55
a
51:55
chance
51:55
to
51:55
stay
51:56
home
51:56
and
51:56
watch
51:56
the
51:56
Yankees
51:57
on
51:57
television.
51:58
That's
51:59
not
51:59
such
51:59
a
52:00
hard
52:00
choice.
52:01
And
52:01
so
52:01
minor
52:02
league
52:02
attendance
52:03
declines.
52:04
The
52:04
miners
52:04
had
52:04
two
52:04
or
52:05
three
52:05
great
52:05
years
52:05
after
52:06
World
52:06
War
52:06
II,
52:07
and
52:07
then
52:07
it
52:07
was
52:07
like
52:07
somebody
52:08
ripped
52:08
the
52:08
bottom
52:08
out
52:09
of
52:09
the
52:09
basket.
52:09
And
52:10
Minor
52:10
league
52:10
of
52:10
10
52:11
is
52:11
just
52:12
declines
52:13
throughout
52:13
the
52:13
50s.
52:14
The
52:14
minor
52:15
leagues
52:15
almost
52:15
go
52:16
out
52:16
of
52:16
business
52:16
by
52:17
1960
52:17
and
52:18
have
52:18
to
52:18
be
52:18
resurrected
52:19
by
52:19
a
52:19
massive
52:20
plan
52:21
of
52:21
support
52:22
from
52:22
the
52:23
majors.
52:25
It's
52:25
one
52:25
thing
52:26
for
52:26
a
52:26
fan,
52:27
let's
52:27
say
52:27
in
52:27
Pittsburgh,
52:28
to
52:29
make
52:29
a
52:29
decision,
52:29
should
52:30
I
52:30
watch
52:30
the
52:30
Pirates
52:31
on
52:31
television
52:31
or.
52:32
Or
52:32
should
52:32
I
52:32
go
52:32
to
52:33
Forbes
52:33
Field
52:33
to
52:34
see
52:34
them
52:34
in
52:34
person?
52:35
It's
52:35
another
52:36
thing
52:36
for
52:36
a
52:36
fan
52:37
in
52:37
Montana.
52:38
They
52:38
should
52:38
I
52:38
go
52:39
see
52:39
the
52:39
Great
52:39
Falls
52:40
team,
52:40
Class
52:41
B,
52:41
or
52:41
the
52:42
Class
52:42
C
52:42
team
52:43
with
52:43
a
52:44
roster
52:44
of
52:45
nobodies,
52:45
or
52:46
should
52:46
I
52:46
stay
52:46
home
52:47
and
52:47
watch
52:47
the
52:47
game
52:47
of
52:48
the
52:48
week
52:48
and
52:48
see
52:48
two
52:49
exciting
52:49
major
52:50
league
52:50
teams?
52:52
It's
52:52
a
52:52
very,
52:53
very
52:53
difficult
52:54
problem,
52:54
and
52:54
baseball
52:55
does
52:55
not
52:55
grapple
52:56
with
52:56
it
52:56
very
52:56
well.
52:58
But
52:59
yeah,
52:59
I
53:00
mean,
53:00
attendance
53:01
was
53:01
down
53:01
in
53:01
the
53:01
Miners
53:02
terribly
53:03
during
53:03
that
53:03
time.
53:04
Yes,
53:05
yes,
53:06
Miners
53:06
went
53:07
through
53:07
somewhat
53:08
of
53:08
a
53:08
metamorphosis.
53:09
Speaking
53:09
of
53:10
metamorphosis,
53:13
how
53:13
did
53:13
baseball
53:15
overall,
53:16
the
53:17
game.
53:18
How
53:18
did
53:18
the
53:18
game
53:19
change
53:19
from
53:20
the
53:20
year
53:21
before
53:22
and
53:22
how
53:23
the
53:23
game
53:23
was
53:23
played
53:24
and
53:24
structured
53:24
the
53:24
year
53:25
before
53:25
the
53:26
Korean
53:26
War
53:26
and
53:27
baseball's
53:28
involvement
53:28
in
53:28
it?
53:29
How
53:30
was
53:30
baseball
53:30
different
53:31
when
53:31
the
53:31
war
53:32
finally
53:32
ended?
53:33
Well,
53:34
the
53:34
biggest
53:34
change
53:34
is
53:35
something
53:35
we
53:35
cannot
53:36
ignore,
53:36
and
53:37
that
53:37
is
53:37
that
53:38
slowly
53:39
major
53:40
league
53:40
owners
53:40
recognized
53:42
that
53:42
if
53:42
we
53:42
allow
53:43
ourselves
53:44
to
53:44
sign
53:45
African
53:45
American
53:46
players,
53:47
the
53:47
quality
53:47
of
53:47
play
53:48
on
53:48
the
53:48
field
53:49
will
53:49
be
53:49
much
53:49
better.
53:53
It
53:53
doesn't
53:53
happen
53:54
overnight.
53:54
It
53:55
takes
53:55
a
53:55
decade
53:56
for
53:56
every
53:57
team
53:57
to
53:58
have
53:58
a
53:58
black
53:58
player
53:59
on
53:59
its
53:59
roster.
54:01
But
54:01
the
54:01
National
54:02
League
54:02
integrates
54:03
or
54:03
desegregates
54:04
faster
54:04
than
54:05
the
54:05
American
54:05
League.
54:06
And
54:06
those
54:07
players
54:07
we
54:07
remember,
54:09
Willie
54:09
Mays,
54:11
Henry
54:12
Aaron,
54:13
Ernie
54:14
Banks,
54:14
they're
54:14
winning
54:15
Don
54:15
Newcombe,
54:16
they're
54:16
winning
54:17
Rookie
54:17
of
54:17
the
54:17
Year
54:17
awards,
54:18
they're
54:18
winning
54:19
Most
54:19
Valuable
54:19
Player
54:20
awards.
54:21
They're
54:21
leading
54:21
their
54:22
team
54:22
to
54:22
the
54:22
World
54:22
Series.
54:23
And
54:23
when
54:24
the
54:24
Cy
54:24
Young
54:24
Award
54:25
is
54:25
created,
54:25
Don
54:25
Newcomb
54:26
wins
54:26
the
54:27
Cy
54:27
Young
54:27
Award.
54:27
The
54:28
American
54:28
League
54:28
moves
54:29
slower.
54:30
And
54:30
if
54:31
you
54:31
think
54:31
of
54:31
Major
54:32
League
54:32
Baseball
54:32
overall,
54:34
the
54:34
National
54:34
League
54:35
stays
54:35
ahead
54:35
of
54:36
the
54:36
American
54:36
League.
54:37
Except
54:37
for
54:37
the
54:37
Yankees.
54:38
Except
54:38
for
54:39
the
54:39
Yankees
54:39
and
54:39
overall
54:40
quality
54:40
of
54:40
play,
54:41
because
54:42
they
54:43
were,
54:44
I
54:44
won't
54:44
say
54:44
quicker,
54:45
but
54:45
less
54:45
slow
54:47
than
54:47
the
54:47
American
54:48
League
54:48
in
54:48
integrating
54:49
their
54:49
rosters.
54:50
That,
54:50
I
54:50
think,
54:50
is
54:51
the
54:51
biggest
54:51
change,
54:51
and
54:51
we
54:51
simply
54:52
can't
54:52
ignore
54:52
it.
54:56
Steve,
54:56
If
54:57
World
54:57
War
54:58
II
55:00
defined
55:01
baseball's
55:02
greatest
55:02
sacrifice,
55:05
what
55:05
did
55:05
the
55:05
Korean
55:06
War
55:07
reveal
55:08
about
55:08
its
55:09
resilience?
55:13
Well,.
55:17
After
55:17
the
55:17
first
55:18
weeks
55:19
of
55:19
the
55:19
war,
55:21
remember
55:21
that
55:21
North
55:21
Korea
55:22
invades
55:22
in
55:23
June
55:23
1950.
55:24
In
55:24
the
55:25
middle
55:25
of
55:25
the
55:25
season,
55:27
it
55:27
becomes
55:28
clear
55:29
that
55:30
baseball
55:31
will
55:31
be
55:31
able
55:31
to
55:31
continue.
55:36
Unless
55:36
the
55:37
international
55:37
situation
55:38
gets
55:39
a
55:39
lot
55:39
worse
55:40
than
55:40
it
55:40
is
55:41
in
55:41
the
55:41
fall
55:41
of
55:41
1950.
55:42
There's
55:43
going
55:43
to
55:43
be
55:43
a
55:44
51
55:44
season
55:44
and
55:45
a
55:45
52
55:46
season
55:46
and
55:46
a
55:47
53
55:47
season.
55:48
So
55:49
baseball
55:50
was
55:50
resilient
55:51
because
55:51
it
55:51
was
55:51
easy
55:52
to
55:52
be
55:52
resilient.
55:53
Looking
55:54
back
55:54
at
55:54
World
55:54
War
55:54
II,
55:55
people
55:55
know
55:55
about
55:56
the
55:56
so
55:56
called
55:56
green
55:57
light
55:57
letter,
55:58
the
55:59
letter
55:59
that
55:59
Roosevelt,
56:00
President
56:00
Roosevelt,
56:01
wrote
56:01
to
56:01
Commissioner
56:02
Landis
56:03
saying
56:03
baseball
56:03
can
56:03
continue.
56:04
What
56:04
they
56:05
don't
56:05
realize
56:06
is
56:06
that
56:06
if
56:06
this
56:06
were
56:07
a
56:07
permission
56:08
slip,
56:08
it
56:09
was
56:09
a
56:09
permission
56:09
slip
56:10
with
56:10
an
56:10
expiration
56:11
Date
56:11
and
56:11
baseball
56:12
went
56:12
through
56:12
the
56:13
same
56:13
question.
56:14
Will
56:14
there
56:14
be
56:15
a
56:15
season
56:15
next
56:15
year?
56:16
After
56:17
42,
56:18
after
56:18
43,
56:18
and
56:19
after
56:19
44,
56:22
the
56:22
future
56:22
of
56:23
the
56:23
game
56:23
was
56:24
year
56:24
by
56:24
year.
56:25
In
56:26
Korea,
56:28
that
56:28
problem
56:28
disappeared
56:29
relatively
56:30
quickly.
56:31
And
56:31
we
56:31
knew
56:31
that
56:31
because
56:32
we
56:32
were
56:32
fighting
56:32
a
56:33
limited
56:33
war,
56:34
because
56:34
this
56:34
was
56:34
a
56:35
police
56:35
action
56:36
under
56:37
the
56:37
auspices
56:37
of
56:38
the
56:38
UN
56:38
Is
56:39
that
56:39
baseball's
56:40
future
56:40
was
56:40
assured.
56:42
There
56:43
wasn't
56:43
going
56:43
to
56:43
be
56:43
a
56:43
time
56:44
when
56:44
baseball
56:45
would
56:45
have
56:45
to
56:45
suspend
56:46
operations.
56:47
So
56:48
if
56:48
that
56:48
resiliency.
56:49
Well,
56:49
it
56:49
was
56:49
an
56:49
easy
56:50
resiliency,
56:51
I
56:51
think.
56:53
If
56:54
this
56:54
book
56:54
changes
56:55
how
56:55
fans
56:57
see
56:57
one
56:58
thing
56:58
about
56:59
baseball
57:00
history,
57:01
what
57:01
do
57:02
you
57:02
hope
57:02
that
57:02
is?
57:03
Well,
57:03
I
57:04
hope
57:04
fans
57:05
who
57:05
read
57:05
it
57:05
will
57:06
see
57:06
the
57:07
interconnection
57:08
between
57:09
the
57:09
game
57:09
in
57:10
those
57:10
four
57:10
seasons
57:11
and
57:11
the
57:12
war.
57:12
Korea
57:13
is
57:13
the
57:13
forgotten
57:14
war.
57:14
I
57:14
mean,
57:14
when
57:14
you
57:15
think
57:15
about
57:15
Korea,
57:17
what
57:17
do
57:17
most
57:17
people
57:18
think
57:18
of?
57:18
Well,
57:18
maybe.
57:19
Maybe
57:20
they
57:20
think
57:20
about
57:20
mash.
57:21
I
57:22
was
57:22
just
57:22
gonna
57:22
say
57:23
mash,
57:23
the.
57:23
Movie
57:24
and
57:24
the
57:24
television
57:25
show,
57:26
which
57:26
were
57:26
both
57:27
set
57:27
in
57:27
Korea
57:28
but
57:28
really
57:29
were
57:29
about
57:29
Vietnam
57:31
and
57:32
the
57:32
problems,
57:32
the
57:33
absurdity
57:34
of
57:35
that
57:35
conflict
57:36
in
57:36
a
57:36
certain
57:36
sense.
57:37
But
57:37
beyond
57:38
that,
57:38
maybe
57:38
you
57:39
remember
57:39
the
57:39
Manchurian
57:40
Candidate
57:41
brainwashing.
57:43
Maybe
57:44
if
57:44
you're
57:44
a
57:45
real
57:45
movie
57:45
buff,
57:46
remember
57:47
a
57:47
movie
57:47
called
57:47
Pork
57:48
Chop
57:48
Hill
57:48
with
57:48
Gregory
57:49
Peck,
57:50
which
57:50
is
57:50
a
57:50
really
57:50
interesting
57:51
film.
57:51
It
57:52
was
57:52
made
57:52
in
57:52
the
57:52
late
57:53
50s,
57:53
and
57:54
really
57:54
ask
57:55
questions
57:55
about
57:55
the
57:56
Korean
57:56
War.
57:56
But
57:57
beyond
57:57
that,
57:57
it's
57:57
the
57:58
forgotten
57:58
war.
58:00
It's
58:00
the
58:00
forgotten
58:01
war.
58:01
We
58:01
just
58:01
kind
58:01
of
58:02
glide
58:02
over
58:02
it.
58:03
You
58:03
know,
58:04
I
58:04
think.
58:04
I'm
58:05
not
58:05
indicting
58:06
anybody,
58:06
but
58:07
I
58:07
think
58:08
it's
58:08
indicative
58:10
that
58:10
we
58:10
know
58:11
which
58:12
ball
58:12
players
58:12
served
58:14
in
58:14
the
58:14
military
58:15
during
58:15
World
58:15
War
58:16
II
58:17
to
58:17
the
58:18
man,
58:19
and
58:19
we
58:19
don't.
58:20
About
58:20
Korea.
58:21
The
58:21
lists
58:22
that
58:22
exist
58:22
are
58:23
incomplete.
58:24
They
58:25
need
58:25
work.
58:25
And
58:25
I'm
58:25
not
58:26
sure
58:26
there's
58:26
anybody
58:27
who
58:27
can
58:28
put
58:28
a
58:29
list
58:29
together.
58:30
Yeah.
58:31
Yeah.
58:32
Well,
58:33
Steve,
58:34
get
58:34
your
58:35
warm
58:35
summers
58:36
and
58:36
cold
58:37
winters.
58:38
How
58:38
Baseball
58:38
Survived
58:39
the
58:39
Korean
58:40
War.
58:41
A
58:42
very
58:42
interesting
58:43
book.
58:43
Certainly
58:44
a
58:44
topic
58:44
that
58:45
I
58:46
never
58:46
thought
58:46
I'd
58:46
cover
58:47
on
58:47
sports
58:47
Forgotten
58:48
Heroes.
58:48
But
58:49
you're
58:49
right,
58:49
it's
58:49
the
58:50
forgotten
58:50
war.
58:52
And
58:52
it
58:52
fits
58:52
the
58:53
topic
58:53
the
58:53
way
58:54
you
58:54
analyze
58:55
it
58:55
along
58:55
with
58:56
baseball.
58:57
Really
58:57
an
58:57
interesting
58:58
book.
58:59
And
58:59
I
58:59
just
58:59
want
59:00
to
59:00
say
59:00
thank
59:00
you
59:00
for
59:01
spending
59:01
so
59:01
much
59:02
time
59:02
with
59:02
me
59:03
today
59:04
on
59:04
Sports
59:05
Forgotten
59:05
Heroes.
59:06
It's
59:06
been
59:06
a
59:06
real
59:06
pleasure.
59:07
Well,
59:07
thank
59:08
you
59:08
very
59:08
much.
59:09
I'm
59:09
glad
59:10
to
59:10
talk
59:11
with
59:11
you.
59:12
I'm
59:12
glad
59:12
you
59:12
enjoyed
59:13
the
59:13
book,
59:13
and
59:13
I
59:13
hope
59:13
others
59:14
will
59:15
pick
59:15
it
59:15
up
59:15
and
59:15
see
59:16
what
59:16
they
59:16
think,
59:16
too.
59:17
Thanks
59:17
so
59:17
much.
59:18
You
59:19
got
59:19
any
59:19
time?
59:21
You
59:21
know,
59:21
I'm
59:22
not
59:22
really
59:22
sure
59:23
how
59:23
to
59:23
add
59:23
much
59:24
more
59:24
to
59:25
today's
59:25
discussion,
59:26
with
59:26
the
59:26
exception
59:27
of,
59:27
you
59:28
gotta
59:28
wonder
59:29
how
59:29
many
59:29
careers
59:30
have
59:30
been
59:30
affected
59:31
over
59:31
the
59:31
course
59:31
of
59:32
time
59:32
by
59:32
war
59:33
in
59:33
all
59:33
sports?
59:34
Sure,
59:35
we
59:35
know
59:35
about
59:35
Ted
59:36
Williams
59:36
and
59:36
Yogi
59:37
Berra
59:37
and
59:37
so
59:38
many
59:38
others,
59:39
but
59:39
how
59:40
many
59:40
had
59:40
bright
59:41
futures
59:41
ahead
59:42
of
59:42
them
59:42
and
59:43
whose
59:43
career
59:43
and
59:44
maybe
59:44
life
59:45
were
59:45
tragically
59:46
lost?
59:47
Hey,
59:47
thanks
59:48
again
59:48
to
59:48
Steve
59:48
Gitchier
59:49
for
59:49
joining.
59:50
And
59:50
thanks
59:50
to
59:50
all
59:51
of
59:51
you
59:51
for
59:51
hanging
59:51
out.
59:52
And
59:52
I'll
59:53
see
59:53
you
59:53
next
59:53
time
59:54
on
59:54
Sports.
59:54
Forgotten
59:55
Heroes.