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- 0:00Speaker 1: I am all in. That's just I am all in
- 0:17Speaker 1: with Scott Patterson and I heart radio podcast. I will
- 0:21Speaker 1: tell you this though, I am on the Matt Zukre
- 0:25Speaker 1: band Way and there there was no there's no room
- 0:29Speaker 1: on it because it's all Amy's bags on there. It's
- 0:33Speaker 1: like every every the bandwagon comes by and you want
- 0:37Speaker 1: to get on it, and it's all the signs. It's
- 0:39Speaker 1: like reserved for Amy Sugar because there's no space. I know.
- 0:44Speaker 1: I sometimes I wonder if I'm team Logan or if
- 0:46Speaker 1: I'm Team Matt Zukari. We're team Matt Zukri, right, I agree.
- 0:51Speaker 1: Tara was in the room like he' said darling boy?
- 1:00Speaker 1: Yeah he darling what you know my impressions of him
- 1:08Speaker 1: and I haven't seen him in all these years and
- 1:11Speaker 1: he comes in and he is such a you know,
- 1:14Speaker 1: to coin a term, a menscha. He is a grounded, solid, humble, courteous,
- 1:23Speaker 1: self deprecating um have I said humble. We also like
- 1:28Speaker 1: to say aging like a fine wine, because he looks
- 1:31Speaker 1: exactly the same. I googled how old he hasn't had
- 1:34Speaker 1: no idea? I was like, I thought he was, like
- 1:37Speaker 1: it is like thirty. What he's forty five because I
- 1:43Speaker 1: was curious and I was like, there's no way, but
- 1:46Speaker 1: he is just like he lights up a room when
- 1:48Speaker 1: he walks into Like, but but the thing is, he
- 1:51Speaker 1: doesn't try no, not at all. It's not about ego.
- 1:54Speaker 1: It's just like, it's just who he is in his essence,
- 1:58Speaker 1: you know. Oh God, I just I loved interviewing him.
- 2:02Speaker 1: He is just such a fantastic guy. And I mean,
- 2:06Speaker 1: you know, when I tweeted out this, you know, and
- 2:07Speaker 1: I'm I finally got to see the ending of No
- 2:12Speaker 1: Time to Die on the airplane and I finally saw
- 2:18Speaker 1: the end of it. Kind of wish I hadn't seen
- 2:19Speaker 1: the end of it, but I did love the ending
- 2:22Speaker 1: when you know, I liked how he went down and
- 2:25Speaker 1: it was very emotional the whole thing. But leading up
- 2:27Speaker 1: to that, I wasn't so crazy about it. Um but
- 2:29Speaker 1: the first two and a half hours that movie were superb,
- 2:31Speaker 1: super anyway. I thought, you know, he's Matt's got some
- 2:35Speaker 1: qualities that are very similar to Daniel Craig. There's a ground. Ye,
- 2:40Speaker 1: it's not a totally weird. I couldn't figure out where
- 2:42Speaker 1: you were going with that. I was like, but yeah,
- 2:45Speaker 1: that's not that you're yeah right, but Matt looks capable
- 2:49Speaker 1: of handling any bad guys, any situation, any physical situation.
- 2:53Speaker 1: And we know he's got the acting chops, right, we
- 2:56Speaker 1: know he can do that part of it. But he
- 2:59Speaker 1: draws you in, and that's what's so fascinating. But he
- 3:02Speaker 1: does draw you in. That's why I love how Tar
- 3:04Speaker 1: described it. He lights up a room and he really does.
- 3:07Speaker 1: And you all should watch The Resident because he is badass.
- 3:12Speaker 1: He is freaking like doctor. I think he's like an
- 3:17Speaker 1: army vet or Yeah. Actually was like in the with
- 3:21Speaker 1: his tattoos. I thought those tattoos. I was like, are
- 3:23Speaker 1: they real? Are they fake? I'm pretty sure they're fake. Well,
- 3:25Speaker 1: also his outfit that he was wearing at the convention
- 3:28Speaker 1: you guys were at totally like when he wears on
- 3:30Speaker 1: the Resident, I was like a tight black shirt. He
- 3:33Speaker 1: just is uh. I will say there was a charming
- 3:36Speaker 1: stud There was a moment um. Scott asked me if
- 3:40Speaker 1: I could ask Matt for like another interview because we
- 3:43Speaker 1: we got him for like a little bit with like
- 3:45Speaker 1: you know, all the guys, and then you know, we
- 3:47Speaker 1: want to get another one, just one on one. And
- 3:49Speaker 1: I was like Oh my god, how do I go
- 3:50Speaker 1: up to him? How do I go up to And
- 3:51Speaker 1: he was just like standing, he was just standing around.
- 3:54Speaker 1: I was like, hi, Like, I went up to him
- 3:56Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, I want to know
- 3:57Speaker 1: if you have like ten minutes, He's like, of worse,
- 4:00Speaker 1: as long as you want, Like, I'll do it no
- 4:02Speaker 1: matter what. And then he he went to go do
- 4:06Speaker 1: meet and greets. The convention came back like two hours later.
- 4:09Speaker 1: I saw Scott and I and was like, don't worry,
- 4:11Speaker 1: I'm coming. I was gonna use the restroom, coming right down.
- 4:14Speaker 1: Like that's the kind of person here. I know, dude,
- 4:16Speaker 1: he's been forget guy. He's been like that since the
- 4:20Speaker 1: beginning because we interviewed him back back back when he
- 4:24Speaker 1: first rolled in as logan. Yeah, he's awesome. I actually
- 4:28Speaker 1: went back and watched the revival after our weekend in
- 4:33Speaker 1: South Carolina. I know we'll get to it, but I
- 4:36Speaker 1: think my mind has changed about the show overall. After
- 4:39Speaker 1: rewatching the revival, I'm very eager to see I'm eager
- 4:44Speaker 1: to get to episode five, not that I want to
- 4:46Speaker 1: rush through it, but I think that's when he appears.
- 4:48Speaker 1: And season five he comes in. He comes in season five.
- 4:52Speaker 1: I think like around the second or third episode that's
- 4:55Speaker 1: going to be fun um. And he was so gracious.
- 4:58Speaker 1: I mean it was five thirty six o'clock at the
- 5:01Speaker 1: end of the day. He came in and it ran
- 5:04Speaker 1: you know, I said, listen, it's gonna bey r And
- 5:08Speaker 1: I said, listen, I am so sorry for for running
- 5:11Speaker 1: over he because you know what, Scott, take as much
- 5:13Speaker 1: time as you want. I will sit here with you
- 5:15Speaker 1: as long as you want. I love talking and I
- 5:18Speaker 1: love talking to you and catching up in the whole time.
- 5:20Speaker 1: I mean, what a guy, what a guy? Man? I
- 5:25Speaker 1: know you were you nailed it. You you know you
- 5:28Speaker 1: told me um not being said though not too quickly transition.
- 5:35Speaker 1: We would never do, we would never think of that.
- 5:38Speaker 1: I have to say this this episode that we're talking about,
- 5:42Speaker 1: say good night, Gracie. I thought you were phenomenal, phenomenal.
- 5:48Speaker 1: You had three scenes that really I kept writing down.
- 5:52Speaker 1: Excellent scene. The scene right out the gate when you're
- 5:58Speaker 1: the damage, when you're at the park party number two.
- 6:03Speaker 1: Rob hastis brilliant casting that scene was phenomenal, from what
- 6:10Speaker 1: you said to just your body language, your face to
- 6:13Speaker 1: the scene with Milo like this was your best episode
- 6:17Speaker 1: of everything we've seen in my opinion, Well thanks, Uh
- 6:20Speaker 1: you know what, what what can I say? You know, Andy,
- 6:23Speaker 1: Andy Amy hands me this gold and uh, I just
- 6:28Speaker 1: tried not to screw it up. I really just you know,
- 6:31Speaker 1: you you give yourself over to it and you let
- 6:33Speaker 1: it take you where the words want you to go?
- 6:37Speaker 1: Do you also where it took me? Think that because
- 6:40Speaker 1: Jamie babbittt I know she was one of your favorite directors,
- 6:43Speaker 1: was directing you in this that it helped your performance
- 6:47Speaker 1: without a question, and you know, working opposite. And another
- 6:51Speaker 1: thing that I'm discovering about Milo was I'm watching him
- 6:55Speaker 1: is he's got the same kind of smoothness and quickness
- 6:59Speaker 1: and fle aim that um that all of those young
- 7:03Speaker 1: guys have. I mean, they're all so good, but they
- 7:06Speaker 1: make it look effortless. And that's what I loved about
- 7:09Speaker 1: Matt too. It was all it's all just so effortless.
- 7:13Speaker 1: And I you know, I I raved and raved and
- 7:16Speaker 1: raved about that scene with his father, with Logan, with
- 7:19Speaker 1: Mr Huntsberger at the the beach House whatever, the Olivia
- 7:24Speaker 1: John's X beach House, whatever it was. For people listening,
- 7:28Speaker 1: we haven't gotten to this yet but Scott's talking about
- 7:30Speaker 1: something that you'll see in the future. Oh yeah, we haven't.
- 7:33Speaker 1: But I do remember that before right now, I mentioned
- 7:39Speaker 1: I mentioned that episode because we we rarely went on
- 7:42Speaker 1: location and here we are in Malibu at this movie
- 7:46Speaker 1: stars houses singing Olivia in John's house. I believe it was,
- 7:49Speaker 1: and it was you know you remember that. Um. But anyway, uh, yeah,
- 7:55Speaker 1: so thank you. Yes, I just listen, Amy, you know,
- 7:59Speaker 1: just ailed it on these scenes, and I think I
- 8:02Speaker 1: do agree with you. Rob Estis was the Oh my god,
- 8:05Speaker 1: he looked like him. Oh my god. Just've seen this
- 8:09Speaker 1: episode many times, but I think I really focused in
- 8:12Speaker 1: on Rob on this one for some reason. And he
- 8:16Speaker 1: really must have watched Milo to be the Father because
- 8:22Speaker 1: he looks like him. And then obviously in that one
- 8:24Speaker 1: scene where they're doing the same beat to the music.
- 8:28Speaker 1: But in other ways, he really had his manner. I
- 8:31Speaker 1: thought he was amazing. Yeah, so listen before we get
- 8:34Speaker 1: too deep, let's uh, let's uh, let's get the synopsis.
- 8:38Speaker 1: Is Danielle. Yeah, this is season three, episode twenty, say
- 8:43Speaker 1: good Night to not too Grazy. Just say good night
- 8:46Speaker 1: Grazy three. Um, this is another episode with so much
- 8:53Speaker 1: happening but the day after the party, Rory and Jess's
- 8:56Speaker 1: relationship comes to a standstill. Well, Dean shares some big
- 9:00Speaker 1: news for him and Lindsay. Luke and Jess gin into
- 9:03Speaker 1: a huge fight, while Jess's real dad makes an appearance,
- 9:06Speaker 1: all leading up to Jess taking off on a bus
- 9:08Speaker 1: at the end of the episode. Meanwhile, Mrs Kim is
- 9:11Speaker 1: acting strange. After Lane's drunk phone call, Dave proclaims his
- 9:16Speaker 1: love for Lane. It ends up being a victory for
- 9:18Speaker 1: them both. Plus Fran the owner of the Dragonfly and dies,
- 9:21Speaker 1: and Suki and Lorelai make a move to try to
- 9:24Speaker 1: buy it. Can I just make one comment, really fat
- 9:28Speaker 1: if I have the DVDs and I read these synopsis,
- 9:30Speaker 1: I think I'd be pissed, like they're we telling too
- 9:33Speaker 1: much in the Do the DVD say them? I don't
- 9:38Speaker 1: know where do these or is this just something that's
- 9:41Speaker 1: on the internet. But it's not like I have the
- 9:43Speaker 1: DVDs behind me. Grab oh, I learned, we write it? Okay?
- 9:46Speaker 1: Got it? Is? This? Is it? Plural? Synopsis is not synopsis? Synopsis?
- 9:52Speaker 1: Synopsis is the plural. No, there's just when I read
- 9:57Speaker 1: these synopsis is it says when I read the synopsis
- 10:03Speaker 1: or SYNOPSI it's not synopsisis like you'd say when I
- 10:09Speaker 1: read this paragraph, when I read this synopsis? But what
- 10:12Speaker 1: about when I read the synopsis? Is No, there's no synopsis. Oh,
- 10:18Speaker 1: I see someone's telling synopsis. Synopsis is the plural, Daniel Red,
- 10:27Speaker 1: I just yeah, okay, um yeah, I want to know
- 10:31Speaker 1: your overall thoughts. Give us everything. I love the episode.
- 10:35Speaker 1: I really love the episode. Um. It moved along at
- 10:39Speaker 1: a at a nice pace. It wasn't too rushed. Um.
- 10:43Speaker 1: I thought I had some really really really devastating moments. Um.
- 10:48Speaker 1: I thought alexis uh it was some of her best
- 10:52Speaker 1: work because she got a little agitated in the car
- 10:54Speaker 1: with her mom and she was confused about Jess and
- 10:56Speaker 1: what's going on. And Dean, you know, told me he's
- 10:59Speaker 1: getting married to Jingle. What's her name, lind Lindsay? Sorry? Sorry, sorry, sorry,
- 11:06Speaker 1: I'm screwing up names. Yeah, I'm just screwing up. Sorry
- 11:09Speaker 1: about that. Not Tricksy. What's her name? Sorry? Tricks No? No, no,
- 11:15Speaker 1: h Lindsay Lindsay, do you just trick grandma? He said
- 11:22Speaker 1: Tricksy and I was like, wait, she's not She hasn't
- 11:25Speaker 1: been in a lot of scenes, so it's you know, lindsay,
- 11:28Speaker 1: yeah right, it's a quick marriage, right right, So like
- 11:31Speaker 1: I think you just met her, dude. But okay, okay,
- 11:34Speaker 1: So anyway, I thought it was a wonderful episode. I
- 11:37Speaker 1: I didn't find too many flaws. Uh none that I
- 11:40Speaker 1: can remember. Really, Yeah. I think I had one, which
- 11:44Speaker 1: it will get to. But but you know how it
- 11:47Speaker 1: starts out, is uh Amy take us through it? Well,
- 11:52Speaker 1: we start right out the gate, which I liked that
- 11:56Speaker 1: it was very um backs right up to the episode prior,
- 12:01Speaker 1: which I did see people on Instagram actually saying you
- 12:03Speaker 1: really need to watch these two together, which they are
- 12:07Speaker 1: right back. And I went back and watched the end
- 12:09Speaker 1: of the last one smart. So we are at the party.
- 12:13Speaker 1: We're cleaning up, Rory's got the barfie backpack. Um Laurela is.
- 12:19Speaker 1: I literally love her because she is the one parent
- 12:22Speaker 1: that's like, you go girls. She stoked her kid was
- 12:25Speaker 1: at a wild party. Did you ever know? You know?
- 12:30Speaker 1: I think that that was one of the better openings
- 12:33Speaker 1: of this show because it showed it showed Luke in
- 12:37Speaker 1: his element being Luke. It showed Rory and her element
- 12:40Speaker 1: sort of being Oh God, dear in the headlights, Um,
- 12:44Speaker 1: what have I done? And it showed Laurela and all
- 12:46Speaker 1: of her glory, all of her comedic glory with with
- 12:49Speaker 1: when she started singing the song she was it was funny. Yeah,
- 12:53Speaker 1: it was all good. And I think this episode's so
- 13:02Speaker 1: if we call this episode of drama, this episode had
- 13:04Speaker 1: more drama, but it did have comedy where some episodes
- 13:08Speaker 1: have more comedy. But anyway, so I literally Lucas hilarious
- 13:14Speaker 1: because he's just on his tirade about this nightmare. And
- 13:19Speaker 1: then you do have a very iconic walk. Is that
- 13:23Speaker 1: walk intentional or is it just like that's how your
- 13:27Speaker 1: body moves. So I did notice the walk when I
- 13:29Speaker 1: left that scene and started walking into the house, and
- 13:32Speaker 1: it was and I remember making the choice when I
- 13:35Speaker 1: saw the walk, Oh, do a slow walk because you
- 13:39Speaker 1: don't want to go in there. It's not like you're
- 13:41Speaker 1: rushing to get in there to pay write somebody a check.
- 13:44Speaker 1: You know, right now you have a very distinct finger
- 13:50Speaker 1: point too. I don't know what it is, but you
- 13:54Speaker 1: do it, and you do it on the zoom too,
- 13:57Speaker 1: like it's so luke. But that's you know, that's just
- 14:03Speaker 1: really part of the job. Right. It's part of the
- 14:07Speaker 1: acting assignment is get the walk right up to the
- 14:11Speaker 1: house because you're not in the scene anymore, but they
- 14:14Speaker 1: see you and you're still in the scene, so you
- 14:17Speaker 1: still have to do your part. So how are you
- 14:19Speaker 1: going to walk up that walkway to the house And
- 14:22Speaker 1: it's like, you know, go walk into the gallows because
- 14:24Speaker 1: you know you're only get hung. Well, I thought it
- 14:28Speaker 1: was I've seen the walk before, but it's very perfect
- 14:31Speaker 1: in this scene. Um. I thought interestingly that lor Lie
- 14:37Speaker 1: and Rory look amazing in this scene. Their hair is amazing,
- 14:40Speaker 1: their outfits were amazing. And I do love I do
- 14:43Speaker 1: have a fashion question that we'll get to. Um, maybe
- 14:46Speaker 1: all this usk it now the red coat when we
- 14:49Speaker 1: get to the funeral scene. I really want to talk
- 14:50Speaker 1: about the red coat. But anyway, back on this, they
- 14:54Speaker 1: looked great. You're mad, you know, and and so it's
- 14:58Speaker 1: all this sort of juxtaposition of everything going on. And
- 15:02Speaker 1: I also thought it was the worst Luke flannel that
- 15:04Speaker 1: I ever wore in any episode. I did not like
- 15:07Speaker 1: that flannel. It didn't fit right. It was too small,
- 15:09Speaker 1: so it bunched up my shoulders and it wasn't comfortable.
- 15:12Speaker 1: Lauren Graham plays this so perfectly because you're just like,
- 15:18Speaker 1: oh my god, she doesn't give a bleep that Rory
- 15:21Speaker 1: went to this party, and then it all turned into
- 15:23Speaker 1: a big giant ker fluffle fuffle. Even I thought she
- 15:27Speaker 1: was maybe going to be more piste when she finds
- 15:29Speaker 1: out that Dean and Jess were the ones fighting, and
- 15:32Speaker 1: so you just get the total that Midler song, and
- 15:36Speaker 1: I just was like, she's just proud that Rory went
- 15:38Speaker 1: to like a real high school party. Probably yeah, right
- 15:42Speaker 1: when you were fighting over right. Although I was waiting
- 15:47Speaker 1: for the moment for Rory to be like no, mom,
- 15:50Speaker 1: Like this was traumatic, you know, like because when she
- 15:53Speaker 1: went through thematic, you know, and I was waiting for
- 15:57Speaker 1: that to happen, But it was more like, oh, two
- 16:00Speaker 1: boys were fighting over it for you, over you at
- 16:02Speaker 1: the high school party. You know. You make a great point, Danielle,
- 16:05Speaker 1: because I think that's why we get the scene in
- 16:08Speaker 1: the jeep, because she's just dealing with all this build
- 16:12Speaker 1: up through all of it. He tried to buckle her
- 16:15Speaker 1: pants and it was that's traumatic, you know. She said
- 16:18Speaker 1: no and he kept going right, so yeah, I mean,
- 16:24Speaker 1: and then he got mad when he got rejected which
- 16:26Speaker 1: Lorala I said, well, that makes him a jerk, you know, correct,
- 16:32Speaker 1: although it's a very complicated situation. That scene from the
- 16:39Speaker 1: previous episode is extremely complicated and people do really want
- 16:43Speaker 1: us to have a conversation about that scene. Jess is complicated,
- 16:50Speaker 1: Jess is grappling, and that doesn't excuse the behavior or
- 16:55Speaker 1: how it made Rory feel. But I also think I
- 17:03Speaker 1: think Rory at it best. Rory said there's something going
- 17:07Speaker 1: on with him, and you can see that in that scene,
- 17:10Speaker 1: you know, like like I don't think that is Jess
- 17:15Speaker 1: in the scene, like as unexcusable as his behavior was,
- 17:20Speaker 1: Like you can tell as a as a viewer, something
- 17:24Speaker 1: is going on in Jess's head, and Rory is acknowledging
- 17:26Speaker 1: that too, so you know that there's something deep her
- 17:30Speaker 1: to this action that he's doing. Right, she acknowledges it
- 17:34Speaker 1: in the jeep when she says he got mad at
- 17:37Speaker 1: me or he wasn't mad at me, or he's mad?
- 17:40Speaker 1: Why is he mad? What is he mad at? Why
- 17:42Speaker 1: is he mad at me? And that was like sums
- 17:47Speaker 1: up so much of it. What a mess. She doesn't understand,
- 17:50Speaker 1: she don't understand where his rage comes from. And that
- 17:52Speaker 1: comes from being abandoned. I also think what's so important
- 17:56Speaker 1: about that is like she thinks it's her fault when
- 17:59Speaker 1: it's not. And I think that's why people because she
- 18:03Speaker 1: doesn't understand where the rage comes from. Because he has
- 18:06Speaker 1: been abandoned by both of his parents, So he's angry.
- 18:08Speaker 1: He doesn't fit in, and he doesn't want to fit in,
- 18:12Speaker 1: and he doesn't know how to fit in if he
- 18:14Speaker 1: wanted to fit in, So his behavior is aberant and
- 18:17Speaker 1: and the anger spills out in these high pressure situations.
- 18:20Speaker 1: And he's trying to be intimate and it's the one
- 18:22Speaker 1: person that he feels that understands him and he can trust.
- 18:26Speaker 1: And she rejects him too, so of course he's going
- 18:29Speaker 1: to get angry. But as a female, she she thinks
- 18:32Speaker 1: that it's her fault, and I think that's that's a
- 18:34Speaker 1: really big importance. She doesn't understand all that, right, but
- 18:38Speaker 1: she thinks also it could be like maybe because she
- 18:40Speaker 1: said no, maybe because she stopped him that, Like he's
- 18:43Speaker 1: mad because of that. Like it's a it's a domino
- 18:46Speaker 1: effect of just like rage, and that's a common thing
- 18:49Speaker 1: that young women especially experience, thinking they're mad at me
- 18:54Speaker 1: because I said no. Or they have shame or blame themselves,
- 18:59Speaker 1: or all these many things. I think one of the
- 19:01Speaker 1: things that we have to also understand is Jess is
- 19:05Speaker 1: so extraordinarily disappointed in himself because he not only is
- 19:11Speaker 1: he not graduating, which is a total f and disaster, right,
- 19:14Speaker 1: he cannot give Rory, this person he loves. The one
- 19:18Speaker 1: thing she wants and it may seem trivial to us,
- 19:20Speaker 1: the prom. He is devastated about not being able to
- 19:25Speaker 1: take her to the prom, which is why it's the
- 19:27Speaker 1: one thing he mentions. He's just it's an epic fail.
- 19:31Speaker 1: He feels like a complete failure in every aspect of
- 19:35Speaker 1: his life. You know, feel bad, feel bad for him,
- 19:39Speaker 1: And that last scene was devastating, really and I felt
- 19:44Speaker 1: horrible for Rory. I mean it is teen angst yea completely.
- 19:52Speaker 1: But this is why go ahead, sorry, no, you go no.
- 19:56Speaker 1: This is why Laurela I wanted her to stay away
- 19:58Speaker 1: from him. She understands this, She knows what she's going
- 20:01Speaker 1: to have to deal with with a kid that's been
- 20:03Speaker 1: rejected by his father, who was his father walked out
- 20:06Speaker 1: on when he was born, and his mother kicked him
- 20:09Speaker 1: out of the house, couldn't deal with him, that's that's
- 20:12Speaker 1: a recipe for disaster. Laura Lai knows this. And I
- 20:16Speaker 1: thought Laura Lae in the jeep handled that whole situation
- 20:23Speaker 1: so well. Also made me laugh because she's also ya,
- 20:28Speaker 1: so what happened, like you know, she really wants to know,
- 20:30Speaker 1: like what happened in the room, but you know, so
- 20:33Speaker 1: she's getting her information, but she also handled it. And
- 20:37Speaker 1: just as Rory says, I don't want to talk about
- 20:39Speaker 1: it anymore, Laura Lai, they continue to talk about it.
- 20:43Speaker 1: I just thought that scene is so authentic to like
- 20:47Speaker 1: their mother daughter relationship. Yeah, I listen. You know when
- 20:55Speaker 1: a girl says no, that means no. It just does.
- 21:00Speaker 1: And it doesn't mean that there has to be a
- 21:02Speaker 1: lack of intimacy in that moment. It's just a guy
- 21:05Speaker 1: slowing down, taking a breath and respecting the woman, you know.
- 21:10Speaker 1: And he because he was overwhelmed by yes, loss, and
- 21:17Speaker 1: he's confusing and yes, he's in deep, deep pain and
- 21:20Speaker 1: he's acting it out all over the place. I thought
- 21:23Speaker 1: that Rory made such an important point in that bedroom
- 21:29Speaker 1: scene saying it was never going to happen like this
- 21:35Speaker 1: at the drunk e messy party in like someone's I
- 21:39Speaker 1: don't even know if that was like the parents room
- 21:41Speaker 1: or the guest room at like Kyle's house. It's like
- 21:44Speaker 1: that to me was where she made such a point,
- 21:48Speaker 1: like she was never saying like I don't love you.
- 21:51Speaker 1: She was never even saying I'm never doing this with you.
- 21:55Speaker 1: It was like, this is not the way this is
- 21:58Speaker 1: going to go for or me or us. When you
- 22:02Speaker 1: and you look and you look at what Dean did
- 22:05Speaker 1: for her when they were together. I mean he made
- 22:07Speaker 1: everything special, didn't he. I mean he really, he really did,
- 22:13Speaker 1: And now she's not getting that. So yeah, it's really
- 22:19Speaker 1: tough position to be in for stuff, Danielle. I need
- 22:26Speaker 1: to know something from you. Did you know when that
- 22:29Speaker 1: dude was sitting there having coffee in the diner and
- 22:32Speaker 1: we'll go back and get into the order again. But no,
- 22:34Speaker 1: the answer is no, I didn't think what kind of
- 22:37Speaker 1: were you thinking? Were you just like this is just
- 22:39Speaker 1: a random customer that looks like a very famous person. Yeah, No,
- 22:45Speaker 1: I didn't think anything much of it until until Luke
- 22:50Speaker 1: showed up at the apartment, so like, and then it clicked,
- 22:53Speaker 1: like as soon as Luke was in there being like,
- 22:55Speaker 1: hey dude, I was like, oh, I know who that is.
- 22:59Speaker 1: But in the beginning, when they were just when it was,
- 23:02Speaker 1: you know, at the diner and Jess was waiting on
- 23:04Speaker 1: him and the coffee and him being like a prickly customer,
- 23:08Speaker 1: I just took it for what the scene was. He
- 23:11Speaker 1: was a prickly customer and whatever. But at the end,
- 23:15Speaker 1: you know, when we saw Luke had that confrontation with him,
- 23:17Speaker 1: I was like, oh, can I throw one plot hole?
- 23:21Speaker 1: How did Luke know where Jimmy was staying? Because it's
- 23:25Speaker 1: a small town, there's only so many But it's like,
- 23:32Speaker 1: you know, he well he had his driver's license right,
- 23:35Speaker 1: so that's his home address in California. Yeah, I know,
- 23:38Speaker 1: but it's maybe there was a receipt in there for
- 23:41Speaker 1: the hotel check in and where wherever we bet breakfast?
- 23:44Speaker 1: I mean, how many places are a small town right independently?
- 23:48Speaker 1: Maybe one other place. One thing is I was shocked.
- 23:52Speaker 1: I think the reason why I didn't think much of it.
- 23:54Speaker 1: I was shocked that that Luke didn't know it was
- 23:57Speaker 1: him right away, like when he first glanced at the table.
- 24:01Speaker 1: So I was like, maybe that's why I didn't think
- 24:04Speaker 1: much of it, because he didn't do anything did you
- 24:07Speaker 1: see him though? Did Luke see Jimmy, because only Milo
- 24:12Speaker 1: saw Jimmy. When did Jimmy leave the diner because Luke
- 24:16Speaker 1: found the wallet? Well, he got up and left. But
- 24:20Speaker 1: but Luke saw that. Luke saw this, But did he
- 24:22Speaker 1: maybe just see him quickly from the back, Like we
- 24:24Speaker 1: need to rewatch that scene with that in mind, because
- 24:27Speaker 1: he probably probably saw the back of him. Yeah, but yeah,
- 24:31Speaker 1: I don't think he sold his face now and then
- 24:33Speaker 1: obviously the driver's license, says Jimmy Marrinano Mariano. Jess Marianna,
- 24:41Speaker 1: Am I saying that? Right? Yeah? And so he's like WTF, right?
- 24:47Speaker 1: But yeah, another small plot hole. Wouldn't he have been like?
- 24:51Speaker 1: Because I get why my Milo, I get why Jess
- 24:55Speaker 1: doesn't know because he hasn't seen him since he was
- 24:58Speaker 1: a baby, so he would not know what he looked like.
- 25:01Speaker 1: But there isn't a photo around at all. He's never
- 25:03Speaker 1: been like, what does my dad look like? Plot twist
- 25:06Speaker 1: number two. Do we think he left his wallet on
- 25:08Speaker 1: purpose hoping that Jess would see it? That's a good point,
- 25:13Speaker 1: great question, But I think I know. I think he
- 25:17Speaker 1: was being hassled out of there. He's been run out
- 25:19Speaker 1: of there. You know, I think I have a small
- 25:22Speaker 1: plot hole. Guys, we got to talk about this. Jess
- 25:24Speaker 1: was really on him to order something, and he was
- 25:26Speaker 1: being mean to a customer. And that's what Liz doesn't
- 25:30Speaker 1: have any photos of Jimmy. It's not like they didn't
- 25:33Speaker 1: know who. We all know. That doesn't totally track for
- 25:39Speaker 1: me that Jess never was like, mom, what does my
- 25:41Speaker 1: dad look like? Here's a photo. My dad doesn't look
- 25:44Speaker 1: like he looks years ago. But but Jess also doesn't
- 25:48Speaker 1: really care. He's just trying to like get the job done.
- 25:50Speaker 1: He's like, what do you want, let me order your food.
- 25:52Speaker 1: Here you go. He's not really like paying attention to that, right,
- 25:55Speaker 1: good point. Good point. And plus it's been what e
- 25:58Speaker 1: seventeen years and he probably well, he probably looked pretty
- 26:02Speaker 1: much the same. Robes looks like he aged very well.
- 26:05Speaker 1: Oh my god, is being more hot? I love Robes
- 26:11Speaker 1: and I've never noticed until this, literally Milo he looks
- 26:16Speaker 1: like Milo he does? They do look similar. It was
- 26:20Speaker 1: great casting. Speaking of this scene, Um, when we were
- 26:24Speaker 1: at the convention, there was a fan that came up
- 26:27Speaker 1: to me and told me something that, Um, this is
- 26:31Speaker 1: not going to spoil anything for Danielle, but Amy, maybe
- 26:33Speaker 1: you would know the candy Man song from Willy Wonka
- 26:36Speaker 1: has an ongoing theme. Do you know what it is?
- 26:38Speaker 1: Don't you mean when Taylor comes in and he's like,
- 26:40Speaker 1: the candy Man can the candy Man can? Yeah, it
- 26:45Speaker 1: comes up again later on and so like, I'll bring
- 26:47Speaker 1: it up then. But I noticed it because a fan
- 26:49Speaker 1: told me, She's like, this is a reoccurring thing in
- 26:52Speaker 1: the show, and I had no idea. It was a
- 26:54Speaker 1: fascinating Wait, she shouldn't text you, text you on the side. Yeah, yeah,
- 26:59Speaker 1: I need to know because we got to talk about
- 27:00Speaker 1: that whole freaky thing with Taylor and those kind of
- 27:04Speaker 1: freaky looking dolls next to him, the whole thing. Okay,
- 27:14Speaker 1: So we go to the inn and on the topic
- 27:17Speaker 1: of the inn, it was burned down two episodes ago.
- 27:21Speaker 1: It still doesn't have a kitchen, though I think the
- 27:23Speaker 1: issue is there. They fixed up the main lobby or whatever. Fast, right,
- 27:31Speaker 1: it's very fast. That's called TV. We fought. This is
- 27:35Speaker 1: where we sort of learned that Rory has reconnected with
- 27:38Speaker 1: the grandparents, because you know, Suki Jackson's out of town sidebar.
- 27:44Speaker 1: Did everybody's spot who I'm jumping ahead, but does everybody
- 27:48Speaker 1: know who the guy is in the suit with the
- 27:51Speaker 1: at the funeral? Yeah, Melissa Carthy's husband. Yeah, I wrote it.
- 28:01Speaker 1: That's so cool. And there is a scene where when
- 28:04Speaker 1: they're walking with the casket. Did anyone notice that you
- 28:09Speaker 1: see Melissa looking at him so lovingly and crush ele
- 28:14Speaker 1: that you're like, oh my god, you can't stop yourself. Okay.
- 28:16Speaker 1: So often though, they appear in each other's projects, which
- 28:19Speaker 1: I really I think it's cool. Yeah, yeah, he's a
- 28:22Speaker 1: he's a terrific writer in its own right. And so
- 28:25Speaker 1: she said they write a lot together. Obviously, you know,
- 28:28Speaker 1: they seem like they really like each other. Yea, like
- 28:32Speaker 1: hopefully they don't get divorced tomorrow, but like they really
- 28:34Speaker 1: seem like they like each other. Okay. So anyway, so
- 28:39Speaker 1: we Suki kind of says to lower lie, you miss them,
- 28:43Speaker 1: meaning her parents, So that's kind of important. As we
- 28:46Speaker 1: continue on, then we find out that the church is
- 28:49Speaker 1: also a synagogue and they just lifted the thing and
- 28:53Speaker 1: that this is where we discovered that Mrs Kim has
- 28:56Speaker 1: said nothing and I need to know what you all
- 28:58Speaker 1: think boom, and this is one thing I will say,
- 29:02Speaker 1: um My Dad was really strict growing up, very strict,
- 29:06Speaker 1: kind of not as aggressive as Mrs Kim is, but
- 29:09Speaker 1: pretty pretty close. And when he was mad, I got
- 29:14Speaker 1: the silent treatment, and that's when I knew Dad was pissed.
- 29:19Speaker 1: But I don't know. I feel like with Mrs Kim,
- 29:22Speaker 1: I um, I don't know. I I think she is
- 29:27Speaker 1: a little sad and also a little bit kind of like,
- 29:34Speaker 1: I don't know. I Mrs Kim is confusing me right now,
- 29:37Speaker 1: That's what I have a hot take. But Scott, you
- 29:39Speaker 1: give your theory first on Mrs Kim's reaction, like why
- 29:44Speaker 1: is she not flying off the handle? Because she knows
- 29:50Speaker 1: that Davidowsky loves her daughter and sees because she knows
- 29:56Speaker 1: that Dave Dkowski sees her glorious order for what she
- 30:01Speaker 1: is and that and that makes her sad because he's
- 30:07Speaker 1: not Korean. But she knows she's got to make the
- 30:10Speaker 1: choice to allow this to happen, because why even though
- 30:14Speaker 1: she's so strict, why would she prevent a boy, a
- 30:20Speaker 1: good guy, a really good guy that sees her daughter
- 30:24Speaker 1: And now she's so now she's in that dilemma of
- 30:28Speaker 1: coming to America and breaking out of the tradition um
- 30:33Speaker 1: of of of how her family has accepted boys and girls.
- 30:38Speaker 1: I mean, it's all got to be you know, Korean, right,
- 30:41Speaker 1: So this, this is going to be a departure from that,
- 30:45Speaker 1: and she knows it's the right thing to do, and
- 30:47Speaker 1: she's admitting to herself that she's wrong on this. Somebody
- 30:52Speaker 1: sees my daughters, So how can the same take as
- 30:57Speaker 1: you've got? Pretty much like the great point? But why
- 31:00Speaker 1: didn't she get mad at the drunk call? Because I
- 31:03Speaker 1: think on some level she this is what Scott to
- 31:06Speaker 1: me was alluding to. She's taking some responsibility for it, saying,
- 31:11Speaker 1: maybe I play a part in this because I have
- 31:13Speaker 1: been so extraordinarily strict and controlling that my kid went
- 31:19Speaker 1: off the rails. I think there's some element of which,
- 31:23Speaker 1: by the way, is not going off the rails. She
- 31:25Speaker 1: was just being a high school kid totally, but her
- 31:28Speaker 1: kid wasn't off the rails. Drinking and broke calling burfing
- 31:34Speaker 1: all over her own backpack does bring me one of
- 31:38Speaker 1: my favorite lines of the episode. What is that smell
- 31:41Speaker 1: your backpack? Know? Scott? I think, great perspective there, I think,
- 31:47Speaker 1: but that's what that's what the Shakespeare quote is all about.
- 31:50Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we can you just tell us what was
- 31:54Speaker 1: what did the quote mean that that that a mind
- 32:00Speaker 1: man was was was given his sight by God and
- 32:05Speaker 1: the king. It's at St Albans. It's a scene in
- 32:08Speaker 1: Saint Albans and Henry the sixth, and that's what the
- 32:12Speaker 1: quote is referring to, that a man um God has
- 32:17Speaker 1: has given this man his sight back, and now he
- 32:19Speaker 1: sees everything. And the king hopes that his sins do
- 32:23Speaker 1: not multiply by what he sees because he never saw
- 32:26Speaker 1: it before. But it's really about it's a it's about
- 32:30Speaker 1: it's about seeing. It's about gaining your your sight back.
- 32:37Speaker 1: That's and that's and that's not only does does it
- 32:41Speaker 1: does the quote apply to Adam Brody seeing his daughter.
- 32:45Speaker 1: It applies to Mrs Kim who now is seeing what
- 32:49Speaker 1: her own behavior has maybe potentially damaged her daughters. Too
- 32:54Speaker 1: restrictive and we could have missed Dave Regolski from my
- 32:58Speaker 1: strict uh right, my my my guidelines and my rules
- 33:02Speaker 1: and my my tyranny right and my overprotective So now
- 33:07Speaker 1: her eyes are open as well. How hilarious when she says,
- 33:10Speaker 1: I like to go goof off now and then to read, Yeah,
- 33:17Speaker 1: I like I was like, oh my god, I'm dad.
- 33:21Speaker 1: Can we talk about that? Literally, the fact that Dave
- 33:25Speaker 1: just came running to Lane's house disheveled and like opened
- 33:30Speaker 1: up the door, and he's like, I read the Bible
- 33:32Speaker 1: three times last night. I can never find this like literally,
- 33:36Speaker 1: like I was like, Dave Regowski is our best, the best.
- 33:44Speaker 1: Adam Brody is a fricking genius. All right, who wants
- 33:48Speaker 1: to play Mrs Kim? Let's do this speech? No, I
- 33:50Speaker 1: want you to do the speech. The speech somebody started
- 33:54Speaker 1: playing Mrs Kim. Who's going to be Mrs Carrol will
- 33:56Speaker 1: play Mrs Kim. Want you to give that whole speech.
- 34:03Speaker 1: I'm not going to be able to do it like Dave.
- 34:05Speaker 1: But excuse me, Mrs Kim. I need to speak with you.
- 34:10Speaker 1: I'm busy, David. A few weeks ago, you told me
- 34:12Speaker 1: that Lane had a crush on me. Well, I had
- 34:14Speaker 1: a crush on her. I have a crush on her
- 34:16Speaker 1: too now and I already screwed it up. Let's do
- 34:18Speaker 1: it again. Excuse me, Mrs Kim, I need to speak
- 34:21Speaker 1: with you. I'm busy, David. A few weeks ago, you
- 34:24Speaker 1: told me that Lane had a crush on me. Well,
- 34:25Speaker 1: I have a crush on her too. Now. I know
- 34:27Speaker 1: you have very strict rules about dating and boys, and
- 34:30Speaker 1: I just wanted you to know that I'm a good person.
- 34:31Speaker 1: I don't drink, I don't smoke. I've never gotten a ticket.
- 34:34Speaker 1: I'm healthy, I take care of myself. I floss. I
- 34:36Speaker 1: never watched more than thirty minutes of television at night,
- 34:38Speaker 1: partly because I think it's a waste of time, partly
- 34:40Speaker 1: because there's nothing on. I respect my parents. I do
- 34:42Speaker 1: well in school. I never play video games in case
- 34:44Speaker 1: they someday proved that playing them can turn you into
- 34:47Speaker 1: a serial killer. I don't drink coffee. I hate soda
- 34:49Speaker 1: because the carbonation freaks me out. I'm happy to give
- 34:53Speaker 1: up meat if you feel strongly about it. I don't
- 34:55Speaker 1: mind wearing a tie. I enjoy playing those hymns on
- 34:57Speaker 1: my guitar. And I really really want to take your
- 35:00Speaker 1: daughter of the problem. Oh my god, it's so Mrs Kim.
- 35:05Speaker 1: Please please don't make me repeat that list again. Let
- 35:11Speaker 1: never day nor night on hollow pass. But still remember
- 35:14Speaker 1: what the Lord hath done. Okay, thank you. My favorite
- 35:20Speaker 1: is he just says okay, thank you with that understanding
- 35:25Speaker 1: that must have been so such a hard thing for
- 35:29Speaker 1: Adam Brody to do that whole speech perfectly with all.
- 35:32Speaker 1: I mean, Adam Brody is a stud that he is
- 35:37Speaker 1: so awesome on this show, and you get why he
- 35:38Speaker 1: has to go because he's got a star in his
- 35:40Speaker 1: own show. It's just like so when he said like
- 35:43Speaker 1: the hymns, I was like cracking up from like what
- 35:45Speaker 1: was it Christmas or Thanksgiving? When he was just playing
- 35:48Speaker 1: for hours? Yeah, oh god, I loved it so much.
- 35:52Speaker 1: I love Dave and Lane yeah so much, like so
- 35:59Speaker 1: so much, And I'm I'm happy that we have David
- 36:01Speaker 1: Lane because we have the mess of Rory and Jess
- 36:05Speaker 1: right now, so you have the you know juxtaposition of
- 36:08Speaker 1: oh my god, Lane and Dave like this is high school.
- 36:11Speaker 1: It's just high school right now. And Dave loves Lane
- 36:14Speaker 1: because no teenage boy is putting up with that scary
- 36:18Speaker 1: mom Oh hell, I mean he is really go he
- 36:23Speaker 1: loves her because he's like perfectly you know what I mean,
- 36:27Speaker 1: Like he is like, um, he is pulling the right
- 36:31Speaker 1: strings with Mrs Kim. There's nothing I'd love to see
- 36:35Speaker 1: more than another Gilmore Girls Reunion show movie and Dave
- 36:40Speaker 1: REGALSI comes back for Lane. Oh my god, that'd be amazing. Wait, okay,
- 36:45Speaker 1: so we have we're like five minutes into the show
- 36:48Speaker 1: and we have like twelve pages to go. So we
- 36:51Speaker 1: are back in the diner. We need to just talk
- 36:53Speaker 1: about the guitar. What did I do? You just gave
- 36:56Speaker 1: me a spoiler? But that's okay, No, I didn't. Oh
- 37:00Speaker 1: you mean that? Will you leave at some point? Now? Hello,
- 37:04Speaker 1: that's like not a spoiler. We've talked about the O
- 37:06Speaker 1: C five thousand times. Okay, Scott at asking, is that
- 37:10Speaker 1: the first time we see Caesar the Caesar we know
- 37:12Speaker 1: and love? Maybe it is because that, to me is
- 37:17Speaker 1: the first time we see Caesar, that Caesar speaking, and
- 37:21Speaker 1: Caesar becomes you know, heretofore so important? So ham ham
- 37:27Speaker 1: no ham. And then we see Rob Hastis. So I
- 37:31Speaker 1: guess we know. Danielle, you had no idea. You're like,
- 37:34Speaker 1: I guess that's just a hot du diner. Yeah, here's
- 37:37Speaker 1: my bone to pick. Yeah, why does the diner serve
- 37:40Speaker 1: Ego waffles? Like that waffle that Kurt Kirk received did
- 37:44Speaker 1: not look good. I want to apologize for that. How
- 37:51Speaker 1: do you know that they were waffles? Just because they
- 37:53Speaker 1: really looked like they did not look like Is that right?
- 37:57Speaker 1: Is that right? Sorry? So you don't think that they
- 38:00Speaker 1: were homemade and put into the the thing, because that's
- 38:04Speaker 1: we had one of those back there, the waff line.
- 38:07Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, but anyway, so I think we've
- 38:12Speaker 1: welcome Caesar. Very happy to have you just blew up
- 38:14Speaker 1: the diner. You just blew up the hole. I don't
- 38:19Speaker 1: recommend the waffles. Taylor comes in very happy that the
- 38:25Speaker 1: candy Shoppy is opening. But that was crazy, you know,
- 38:32Speaker 1: that's my that's Michael Winners at his best. I mean, really,
- 38:36Speaker 1: how much joy was he getting out of that episode?
- 38:38Speaker 1: I really funny, so nutty ladies with him just giving
- 38:42Speaker 1: everyone taffy and Kirt going can have a taffy. I'm
- 38:45Speaker 1: gonna keep going with this crap. Okay. So then we
- 38:52Speaker 1: basically have a scene I believe, with Jess and Luke
- 38:56Speaker 1: talking about the damage. Am I right, You're right? Yeah?
- 39:01Speaker 1: And Luke tells Jess that Dean was there at the
- 39:04Speaker 1: house helping put up the fence. He already came up
- 39:07Speaker 1: with a plan to pay Kyle's parents back, and Jeff
- 39:12Speaker 1: hasn't done anything. It was this post funeral. No, no,
- 39:16Speaker 1: we're not my favorite line, and this is are you
- 39:19Speaker 1: trying to kill me? There were two Jess and Luke scenes, right, yeah,
- 39:23Speaker 1: this is the preliminary one. There's the real ones coming.
- 39:26Speaker 1: But I love the line are you trying to kill me? Nope,
- 39:28Speaker 1: it'll just be a perk. I mean, Jess was had
- 39:31Speaker 1: zingers coming because you say Dean was at Kyle's and
- 39:35Speaker 1: he goes he's a fine doormat, like Jess is just
- 39:39Speaker 1: filled with anger, but very hilarious line. And they just
- 39:42Speaker 1: did that right in front of all the customers, you know,
- 39:44Speaker 1: from behind the counters. It's so funny. People just keep
- 39:49Speaker 1: eating and the food and by the way, those are
- 39:52Speaker 1: those are not ego waffles, because if they were, people
- 39:54Speaker 1: will get up and leave food when that good and
- 39:57Speaker 1: not saying eggs are bad. I enjoy them. Uh. But yeah,
- 40:01Speaker 1: they just do that right out in the open, just
- 40:03Speaker 1: yell at each other right out in the open. You
- 40:05Speaker 1: know what, I will commend you. Luke's facial expressions we're
- 40:12Speaker 1: so perfect in this episode because there were multiple times
- 40:18Speaker 1: where you were forced to say everything with your face,
- 40:21Speaker 1: especially in the scene where Rory comes to the door.
- 40:24Speaker 1: Rory rocks Away just goes back to the door, and
- 40:27Speaker 1: you had to do full acting in your face, and
- 40:29Speaker 1: I thought, oh man, he is crushing the faace acting.
- 40:33Speaker 1: Thank you, Yeah, you crushed this episode. Listen, you're You're
- 40:40Speaker 1: only as good as the writing. Okay. The writing lifts
- 40:44Speaker 1: you to whatever heights that you can possibly go if
- 40:48Speaker 1: it's if it's great writing, it's great writing. Here's what
- 40:50Speaker 1: I say. I know you talk about how this show
- 40:53Speaker 1: never won Emmy's This would have been what I would
- 40:55Speaker 1: have submitted if I was your publicist at the time,
- 40:58Speaker 1: I would have said, this is the one you submit.
- 41:00Speaker 1: We did, we did? We did submit this, I do
- 41:03Speaker 1: we Yeah, I think we did submit this. Yeah. Then
- 41:10Speaker 1: we get to lore like calling Emily because you know,
- 41:16Speaker 1: even though it's minor, I think significant. Yeah. What do
- 41:22Speaker 1: you guys think? Well, I mean a whole you know,
- 41:25Speaker 1: a whole um narrative of the show is gone. It's
- 41:30Speaker 1: just been it's just missing. Now there's no Friday night dinner.
- 41:33Speaker 1: I mean, this is what the show is pretty much
- 41:35Speaker 1: based on, you know, virtually based on, and now we
- 41:38Speaker 1: don't get it um, but we are getting, you know,
- 41:42Speaker 1: we're getting more into kittie world and I like it.
- 41:45Speaker 1: I like where it's going. I like being in that
- 41:48Speaker 1: world now. Because something has to fill the void of
- 41:52Speaker 1: no Friday Night Dinners. Day can't open the episodes anymore
- 41:54Speaker 1: with Friday Night Dinners. We can't cut the Friday Night Dinners.
- 41:59Speaker 1: We can't use Friday Night Dinners as an excuse not
- 42:02Speaker 1: to do something or to do something else. And let's
- 42:04Speaker 1: lie to Emily and you know this kind of thing.
- 42:07Speaker 1: So this so that rooms out. So now they're focusing
- 42:10Speaker 1: on kid world and it's kind of fun. I like,
- 42:12Speaker 1: I like everybody, uh, you know, the kids are now
- 42:18Speaker 1: kind of carrying the show, which they never had to
- 42:20Speaker 1: do before. I know you won't say it, but I
- 42:24Speaker 1: do think this is such an important Luke episode. I
- 42:27Speaker 1: think there was a lot of Luke carrying this episode.
- 42:31Speaker 1: I think because this episode was so brilliant. I didn't
- 42:36Speaker 1: miss the Gilmore's Emily and Richard. Had this episode not
- 42:41Speaker 1: been as so well done and amazing, I think that
- 42:44Speaker 1: would have really felt like a void, like sucks, like
- 42:48Speaker 1: we need to get back to Friday Dinners. Anyway, Danielle,
- 42:50Speaker 1: what we were saying, that's a good point. Oh sorry,
- 42:54Speaker 1: So okay, I do think I think Paris. They work
- 42:58Speaker 1: in Paris. In the scene in the they're putting together
- 43:01Speaker 1: the you know issue, last issue, And I think it
- 43:05Speaker 1: was significant because we realized the significance of the prom
- 43:11Speaker 1: But it was especially funny because the punch line was
- 43:15Speaker 1: bringing back the bringing the golf team again, right because
- 43:19Speaker 1: we don't know what they're talking about, the blonde boys
- 43:21Speaker 1: and the whole thing and what background they're going to
- 43:23Speaker 1: look best again, and it was it was really funny.
- 43:25Speaker 1: It was there is some really what are they doing?
- 43:27Speaker 1: Staying true to who they are? So they're doing their
- 43:30Speaker 1: thing and you do hear Jamie legit. Dinner Helicopter was
- 43:37Speaker 1: dang and I'm glad to know that Jamie and Paris
- 43:40Speaker 1: are still doing okay despite the full meltdown from a
- 43:44Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Just right, because I could really
- 43:48Speaker 1: put a college guy, I'm not going to be able
- 43:51Speaker 1: to handle this. Maybe he doesn't know, maybe she hit
- 43:55Speaker 1: it from him. I'm not too sure, but Jamie sounds
- 43:57Speaker 1: like a big stud, uh law a lie. So then
- 44:00Speaker 1: we go to Lorlie and man her she had the
- 44:03Speaker 1: cutest jeans, the perfect jacket, the turquoise shirt. She's just
- 44:06Speaker 1: looking flawless in this whole episode and then we find
- 44:10Speaker 1: out about Fran m hmm. Fran passed away at the
- 44:14Speaker 1: age of eighty three. In Weston's was clean and they
- 44:16Speaker 1: care deeply and they were they were quite they were
- 44:21Speaker 1: sort of sad again another example of loyal lies, really
- 44:25Speaker 1: bad timing and inappropriateness, which makes which makes for the comedy,
- 44:33Speaker 1: right totally, because you're like to have that behave you
- 44:36Speaker 1: don't have that scene and we're not so invested invested
- 44:40Speaker 1: in Fran where it's gonna We're gonna have to you know,
- 44:43Speaker 1: park our emotions, right, so we can just sort of
- 44:47Speaker 1: focus on the comedy aspect, and man, did they want
- 44:50Speaker 1: that in? And that's significant. Yeah, you can feel less
- 44:55Speaker 1: sort of building towards the finale of season three here, Okay,
- 44:59Speaker 1: like what one or two more episodes of this season? Yeah?
- 45:03Speaker 1: I think three. So I thought I thought that scene
- 45:06Speaker 1: could have been funnier with the ball bear Ben Felcone
- 45:10Speaker 1: if he just objected more like what are you guys
- 45:14Speaker 1: doing We're walking into a no no, absolutely, but I
- 45:18Speaker 1: just I wanted more comedy. There was more comedy there
- 45:22Speaker 1: to glean, right, because that's because the scenes with you
- 45:25Speaker 1: play the inappropriate Nate like have Ben, what are you
- 45:28Speaker 1: guys doing? Yeah? You know? And that right, because the
- 45:33Speaker 1: scenes with you and Milo and the scenes with you
- 45:36Speaker 1: and Robs are so intense, and then the jeep scene
- 45:40Speaker 1: with Rory Lorla is so intense that yeah, we did
- 45:43Speaker 1: need those moments of comedy. Okay, so let's just talk
- 45:49Speaker 1: about the elephant in the room really quick. This is
- 45:52Speaker 1: not a spoiler, Daniete, but it isn't known fact that
- 45:55Speaker 1: they were. This was the lead up to next week's
- 45:58Speaker 1: episode that was inten did to be a spinoff of
- 46:01Speaker 1: the show. I completely never I never knew it was
- 46:04Speaker 1: supposed to be a spinoff, but I knew this was coming.
- 46:06Speaker 1: I never knew. It's just wherever he is, this bus
- 46:11Speaker 1: is taking him too. When you see Robsts like hello,
- 46:15Speaker 1: you don't get Robstis to play something and just use
- 46:20Speaker 1: him for one episode, like I love Jesus, nice gig.
- 46:24Speaker 1: He does one episode and then he gets his own show.
- 46:27Speaker 1: It's pretty good. That's pretty good, right, So okay, so
- 46:33Speaker 1: this is we we briefly touched on it. We do
- 46:34Speaker 1: have the scene at the diner where, first of all,
- 46:37Speaker 1: Luke look and handsome in the suit. Hello. Okay, so Rory.
- 46:49Speaker 1: You know, I separate. You're a different person than that guy.
- 46:52Speaker 1: But anyway, that's I didn't take it any other way,
- 46:57Speaker 1: making a pass. My love of Luke's strong. Okay, so
- 47:02Speaker 1: I'm always Scott so much, but yeah, yeah, it's such
- 47:07Speaker 1: a that is so funny. Bring it up because my
- 47:09Speaker 1: relationship with any you know, seven days a week and
- 47:12Speaker 1: twice on Sunday. But Scott, can you lock the door?
- 47:15Speaker 1: You leave? Like? I literally love Luke? And then Scott
- 47:21Speaker 1: will text us, Scott will put something in the group text.
- 47:24Speaker 1: I don't mean to call you out, just right back. No,
- 47:29Speaker 1: what have you ever done that? Just this morning? Let
- 47:35Speaker 1: me look, let me you had a decently bad idea.
- 47:42Speaker 1: I did a bait and switch. I don't you didn't
- 47:45Speaker 1: want to read the Shakespeare? Scott wanted, well, do you
- 47:48Speaker 1: don't want to perform the Sakespeare? I gave you? Apart
- 47:50Speaker 1: as the Queen, I was gonna play the king wanted
- 47:54Speaker 1: to re enact the Shakespeare scene, which was not a
- 47:57Speaker 1: bad idea because it is so important, but I was
- 48:02Speaker 1: we don't do that. But anyway, I have nothing but
- 48:07Speaker 1: love for Luke. So Luke standing there all just freaking handsome.
- 48:12Speaker 1: There's no talking. It's like Rory comes to the door,
- 48:16Speaker 1: she leaves Luke's face just freaking genius, Scott freaking genius.
- 48:20Speaker 1: Jess comes out, just goes to the door and just you.
- 48:23Speaker 1: That is not easy. That cannot be easy. What you
- 48:26Speaker 1: were doing full face acting? I don't know what. Oh
- 48:31Speaker 1: my god, that's so I don't know order. Where are
- 48:38Speaker 1: you order? Let me explain. So I was wasting so
- 48:48Speaker 1: much paper, so I started using fronds and backs and
- 48:51Speaker 1: I had to label five six and I went to
- 48:54Speaker 1: six before five. Okay, so now let's go back. We've
- 48:59Speaker 1: got the scene in the confrontation between thank you guys
- 49:02Speaker 1: for calling it out, between Jimmy and Luke talking about it. Wow, well, uh,
- 49:10Speaker 1: I don't know what did you do. It's just Luke
- 49:14Speaker 1: at his most protective. It's it's it's it's really just
- 49:18Speaker 1: you know, the bear coming out in him and listen,
- 49:21Speaker 1: come near him. I'll eat you. That's all there is
- 49:23Speaker 1: to it. And you know he cares. That's Luke showing here.
- 49:27Speaker 1: That's Luke loving Jess. You're saying, now you saw him,
- 49:30Speaker 1: now get out of here. I was like, man, because
- 49:36Speaker 1: you're no good and you're just gonna rip people apart,
- 49:39Speaker 1: and you know, Laurela probably feels the same way about
- 49:43Speaker 1: Jess at this point, you know, like get out or
- 49:46Speaker 1: she did. You know what, Laurela seems to be handling
- 49:49Speaker 1: this a bit better than I expected her to. Well,
- 49:52Speaker 1: she can't, she can't. She knows she can't stop it, right,
- 49:56Speaker 1: so she's just kind of like it's inevitable. She's sevent seen.
- 50:01Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to stand in front of
- 50:03Speaker 1: this train anymore. So my note on that scene was
- 50:07Speaker 1: great scene. I thought it was a brilliant scene, just flawless,
- 50:13Speaker 1: and I wrote, great job, Scott, and look at the job.
- 50:15Speaker 1: Look at the job he did. Look at the job
- 50:17Speaker 1: rob did. Coming in too, coming in and nailing it
- 50:22Speaker 1: while simultaneously having to be Jess because we see the symbol,
- 50:28Speaker 1: like we see the similarities like that, yeah, Rob Esties
- 50:32Speaker 1: is Jess's dad. We'll get this to this later. But
- 50:36Speaker 1: the nodding to the music was like, oh, that was
- 50:40Speaker 1: a great scene, you know, just like and I love
- 50:44Speaker 1: Bowie as you all know, and that's one of my
- 50:48Speaker 1: favorite songs, Suffragist City. But why was that song in
- 50:50Speaker 1: the scene? Knowing what we know? I mean, you know
- 50:53Speaker 1: what Suffragette City is it's it's I don't know anything
- 50:57Speaker 1: about the music. I just think that that would be music.
- 51:00Speaker 1: They would, well, that's the right for women to vote
- 51:01Speaker 1: suffragette right. I didn't get into the weeds on why
- 51:04Speaker 1: that song selection, Oh yeah I did, because I was like,
- 51:07Speaker 1: why are they listening? I mean, I know why Jess
- 51:09Speaker 1: was listening to it, because he's listening to it. But
- 51:11Speaker 1: you know they nothing is by accident in these shows,
- 51:15Speaker 1: right right, It's all by design and there's a purpose
- 51:18Speaker 1: behind it. Meaning you couldn't pay money for that. So
- 51:20Speaker 1: there are good Lord, that's considered one of the top
- 51:26Speaker 1: albums of all time. Ziki Startus was considered like the album, um,
- 51:32Speaker 1: but it's you know, it's Suffragette City is a city
- 51:35Speaker 1: that allows women to vote, you know, in San Francisco
- 51:39Speaker 1: and I think Oakland were the last two to allow
- 51:42Speaker 1: women to vote, to women to vote in nineteen eleven.
- 51:46Speaker 1: The first wait, they were the last to actually yes
- 51:51Speaker 1: and so and so it's so weird but the but right,
- 51:55Speaker 1: it does, But like San Francisco would be first, would
- 52:00Speaker 1: seem like that, Yes, I'm gonna have to google this,
- 52:03Speaker 1: so but always meaning in the song was more about
- 52:08Speaker 1: his bisexuality, that he was telling his roommate slash lover
- 52:13Speaker 1: guy to get out of the apartment because he was
- 52:16Speaker 1: bringing a woman home. Right, don't lean on me, man,
- 52:20Speaker 1: you can't afford the ticket. I'm in Suffrald City. It's
- 52:24Speaker 1: you know, this kind of thing. That's what it was.
- 52:26Speaker 1: So why is that song playing in the time and
- 52:28Speaker 1: they're both nodding to it? What's it got to do? How?
- 52:31Speaker 1: I don't know because you bring up an excellent point
- 52:33Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have to really research, I mean, other
- 52:35Speaker 1: than that's just like you know, the baddest aass song
- 52:37Speaker 1: ever written? I mean, is it? Is it based off
- 52:40Speaker 1: your exploit nation? Right there? Is it? Like kind of like, yeah,
- 52:43Speaker 1: Jimmy can't afford this ticket, or like Jess can't Maybe, right, man,
- 52:55Speaker 1: you can't write so so Jimmy, don't lean on me.
- 52:58Speaker 1: You can't afford the ticket. We're back Suffrage City. Yeah, well,
- 53:02Speaker 1: like you don't get a vote or both in both
- 53:05Speaker 1: ways to like Jess too, like Jimmy get out, very
- 53:09Speaker 1: very good, that's what it is. Maybe, Yes, Wow, Danielle,
- 53:14Speaker 1: the significance to me of the scene and me you're
- 53:18Speaker 1: getting with the song is that Jimmy runs out. It
- 53:23Speaker 1: runs out out of nowhere, says nothing and just runs
- 53:26Speaker 1: kind of like how you would think Jess would. I
- 53:29Speaker 1: thought that was I was like, well, that is a
- 53:31Speaker 1: real d move of this guy. He just I felt
- 53:37Speaker 1: Jessice pain Milo acted that scene beautifully and the way
- 53:40Speaker 1: he sat down in the chair turned a little bit
- 53:42Speaker 1: away from him, and he wouldn't look at him, He's
- 53:44Speaker 1: giving him side glances. Boy, I tell you I really
- 53:47Speaker 1: felt for him. I think in that team at least,
- 53:50Speaker 1: what I picked up is Jimmy was looking at Jess
- 53:53Speaker 1: or they both weren't looking at each other, and then
- 53:55Speaker 1: Jimmy like looks up slightly and sees that Jess is
- 53:58Speaker 1: nodding the same way he is, and it freaked him out.
- 54:03Speaker 1: Oh that's what I That's what I gathered, like, Oh no,
- 54:07Speaker 1: this is my son, this is somebody I've abandoned for years.
- 54:12Speaker 1: Yet he's just like me. Oh my god, I didn't
- 54:14Speaker 1: think really good having either. He just blew my mind.
- 54:25Speaker 1: So do we do we feel that Jimmy shouldn't have come? Like,
- 54:29Speaker 1: you know, like I kept when I finished this episode,
- 54:33Speaker 1: I kept being like, like, I'm not mad that Jimmy came,
- 54:37Speaker 1: but like why, I don't know. I so question for everyone.
- 54:42Speaker 1: Should he have not come? Because he said, he said,
- 54:43Speaker 1: he's gotten his life together, he's got a job, he
- 54:46Speaker 1: wants to reconnect with his boy. I mean, imagine the
- 54:49Speaker 1: pain that he caused himself by running out as an
- 54:52Speaker 1: own kid, and he's he's back to, you know, take
- 54:56Speaker 1: the shots that he's going to have to inevitably take
- 54:59Speaker 1: for a couple of years, maybe before you can have
- 55:01Speaker 1: a normal, healthy, loving relationship with his son. I think
- 55:05Speaker 1: he should have come. I think for me, the life
- 55:09Speaker 1: lesson is always, even if you're late, show up, show up,
- 55:15Speaker 1: and even if you take the pain that you deserve
- 55:19Speaker 1: by being mad enough to stand there and take it
- 55:24Speaker 1: and not get emotional. I mean, you're gonna get emotional,
- 55:26Speaker 1: but don't react. Just take it, and you know what,
- 55:30Speaker 1: your kid will punch himself out psychologically speaking, and there
- 55:34Speaker 1: will be a moment where you can come together. It's
- 55:37Speaker 1: never too late to say I'm sorry. Never too late.
- 55:40Speaker 1: That's a nice message we can send out there, all
- 55:43Speaker 1: of you deadbeat dads. Get your act together, clean up,
- 55:48Speaker 1: get back to your kids. They need you. Man. Stay
- 55:51Speaker 1: on a lighter note, um terrible performance by a hat
- 56:00Speaker 1: on Laura with the bucket hat. I did not like that.
- 56:04Speaker 1: Funeral bucket hats are back in. I just bought one
- 56:08Speaker 1: who was wearing a bucket hat. Laura so bad. That
- 56:12Speaker 1: didn't look so bad. I liked that. It looked like
- 56:16Speaker 1: it looked, it looked appropriate. I thought it was fine.
- 56:20Speaker 1: I'm just like, can we just not give Loraa lae hat?
- 56:22Speaker 1: And why did you give her so many hats? And
- 56:25Speaker 1: if I had a hair, let her do. I liked it.
- 56:28Speaker 1: I liked the hat. I didn't mind the hat. It
- 56:30Speaker 1: wasn't bad. I didn't notice anything bad about it. I
- 56:33Speaker 1: thought it looked she thought. I thought, we've had three
- 56:37Speaker 1: atrocious hats that first of all, the worst was the
- 56:40Speaker 1: one we talked about recently. Was oh, the white bucket
- 56:46Speaker 1: hat was the hands. But she looked well, She looked
- 56:50Speaker 1: well put together. She looked like a classy. Do we
- 56:54Speaker 1: see any significance in the fact that everyone's in black
- 56:57Speaker 1: and Rory has a bright red coat? M she could
- 57:02Speaker 1: couldn't you know? They can't afford a proper black coat's
- 57:05Speaker 1: going to get a but I mean, really, it's a
- 57:08Speaker 1: big expense. I don't know that a kid have right.
- 57:13Speaker 1: I just thought it was interesting choice by the stylist
- 57:17Speaker 1: because everyone's in black and she so and Rory's in black.
- 57:21Speaker 1: Their whole room is in black, and Rory has this
- 57:24Speaker 1: bold red coat and is where I mean for Fran's
- 57:29Speaker 1: funeral too. I'm for it because, you know, celebrating the life.
- 57:34Speaker 1: But like a red coat at a funeral, there's got
- 57:36Speaker 1: to be something I'm missing. M hmm, anyone, I'm sure
- 57:42Speaker 1: we're missing something. I think maybe it's just a like
- 57:46Speaker 1: a a set choice in the sense of like to
- 57:49Speaker 1: have her stand out amongst the crowd, but like like uh,
- 57:55Speaker 1: metaphorically steaking. The symbolism is here's my here, let's zoom
- 58:01Speaker 1: in moment. Okay. So I don't know if anyone noticed this.
- 58:07Speaker 1: They're having the moment where they say, let's all bow
- 58:09Speaker 1: our heads right, and the band bebops through God one
- 58:16Speaker 1: dude in the crowd in the I watched it twice.
- 58:20Speaker 1: We got to show people one background actor because obviously
- 58:25Speaker 1: there's no music, right, Scott, the band's not really playing, right.
- 58:29Speaker 1: You've already taught us that one dude pops up too
- 58:33Speaker 1: early and makes a facial expression before the band played
- 58:39Speaker 1: that band may have been playing. That guy is a
- 58:43Speaker 1: bad background actor. What the background actor do? Okay, so
- 58:49Speaker 1: is there a way we can like show a clip
- 58:51Speaker 1: of this not right now, we don't. I mean, sure
- 58:53Speaker 1: we can show it now if anyone can grab it,
- 58:54Speaker 1: but can we also put it on Instagram? Not the
- 58:57Speaker 1: instagram on Instagram. So the guy says, every let's let's
- 59:04Speaker 1: bow our heads, you know, and have a moment for
- 59:07Speaker 1: fran or whatever, and then boom, boom, boom comes to band.
- 59:14Speaker 1: Dude's head goes up two seconds too early, and he
- 59:17Speaker 1: makes a face like like he's hearing the band, but
- 59:20Speaker 1: there's no band yet, And I'm like, oh god, yeah,
- 59:24Speaker 1: you guys gotta watch it. Okay, Okay, calm down, We'll
- 59:29Speaker 1: watch it. Watch it. About Miss Patty's story, I'm so
- 59:36Speaker 1: glad I had all that sex. Miss Patty's always pushes
- 59:41Speaker 1: it to a little PG thirteen, not Danielle where you
- 59:44Speaker 1: stunned when Dean said he was engaged. I'm not surprised.
- 59:49Speaker 1: I feel like Dean's character would do something like that. However,
- 59:52Speaker 1: I was just like, damnit, Dean, because right now I'm
- 59:54Speaker 1: on the Dean train. So I'm kind of like, uh, um,
- 1:00:00Speaker 1: but I'm not I'm not surprised. I thought it was
- 1:00:03Speaker 1: really telling. Um Rory's reaction of it. I mean, I
- 1:00:08Speaker 1: think anybody at that age would react that way, like it,
- 1:00:12Speaker 1: We're seventeen years old. What are you talking about? But um,
- 1:00:16Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean I'm not surprised because I feel
- 1:00:18Speaker 1: like Dean would do that. I feel like he would
- 1:00:20Speaker 1: get married at a young age, like his character is that. Um.
- 1:00:25Speaker 1: But yeah, you can tell that. Rory was like, oh, wow,
- 1:00:29Speaker 1: like I don't have my like he's out of my
- 1:00:33Speaker 1: hands now, which I thought was interesting. This guy that
- 1:00:36Speaker 1: has protected her for so long and has treated her
- 1:00:39Speaker 1: so well, and Dean says, don't be mad at me
- 1:00:44Speaker 1: just because you just treat you like dirt. That line. Yeah,
- 1:00:48Speaker 1: And then so like, oh, Rory is having this this
- 1:00:52Speaker 1: realization in her head that I let go of a
- 1:00:55Speaker 1: really really good guy that treated me like a princess.
- 1:00:59Speaker 1: She you be in love with this guy that like
- 1:01:03Speaker 1: like um um intellectually fulfilled her and this guy is
- 1:01:09Speaker 1: not treating her well, So what's better? You know. I
- 1:01:14Speaker 1: think that's what she's seeing in her head. Yeah, here's
- 1:01:17Speaker 1: my question for Scott. Does Jess treat Rory like dirt, yes,
- 1:01:24Speaker 1: but he doesn't do it intentionally. He's out of control
- 1:01:30Speaker 1: of his psychological and emotional state. He has no control
- 1:01:35Speaker 1: over what he thinks and what he feels. He's just
- 1:01:39Speaker 1: getting swept away emotionally and psychologically by his anger, by
- 1:01:46Speaker 1: his sense of loss. Um. And he's a very confused
- 1:01:51Speaker 1: young man. And it's it's heartbreaking to watch because this
- 1:01:54Speaker 1: happens to a lot of kids, male and female, you know,
- 1:01:58Speaker 1: and and he's just completely out of control. Um. That's yeah,
- 1:02:03Speaker 1: this is a question that I have because like when
- 1:02:05Speaker 1: we first saw saw Jess, like, yeah, we had the
- 1:02:09Speaker 1: understanding that he was um like you know, abandoned, and
- 1:02:13Speaker 1: Lucas taken him in and he's had something he you know,
- 1:02:16Speaker 1: it is rough around the edges, but he was a
- 1:02:18Speaker 1: confident guy and he like went for what he wanted.
- 1:02:23Speaker 1: That confidence. Well, keep off, that's not confidence. What do
- 1:02:28Speaker 1: you think it is. It's cockiness, It's it's masking massive
- 1:02:34Speaker 1: insecurity and massive pain. That's not confidence. Okay, fair enough,
- 1:02:38Speaker 1: But now when you're you know, now you're seeing like
- 1:02:41Speaker 1: that whole scene of Rory and him going you know,
- 1:02:44Speaker 1: trying to go after each other. But then they walk
- 1:02:46Speaker 1: away and whatever, and I'm like, this isn't really Jess
- 1:02:50Speaker 1: to me, Like in the past, he would have been like, hey,
- 1:02:53Speaker 1: why are you walking away? Like he would have saw
- 1:02:55Speaker 1: that and like gone to Rory like he's done in
- 1:02:58Speaker 1: the past. So right now I'm kind of watching it
- 1:03:01Speaker 1: being like what why? Why is he like being kind
- 1:03:05Speaker 1: of a coward because he's never He's never He wasn't
- 1:03:10Speaker 1: raised properly. He he never saw an example of what
- 1:03:15Speaker 1: normal was growing up between his mother and his father.
- 1:03:19Speaker 1: His father was gone, and you know, Lord knows what
- 1:03:23Speaker 1: his mother was up to when he was growing up, right,
- 1:03:25Speaker 1: you know, Scott, you make such a good point there
- 1:03:28Speaker 1: that he doesn't know what normal is. He doesn't know
- 1:03:30Speaker 1: the rules of the game. He just sees something. He
- 1:03:33Speaker 1: senses Rory can is an intellectual equal. That's what turns
- 1:03:37Speaker 1: him on. She's obviously, you know, easy on the eyes,
- 1:03:41Speaker 1: and she's an attractive girl, and he wants to be
- 1:03:44Speaker 1: with her. He I think he falls for her pretty
- 1:03:47Speaker 1: quickly and senses that this is a far more stable person.
- 1:03:52Speaker 1: She's a lot like me in many ways, and I
- 1:03:54Speaker 1: love her and I want her and no one standing
- 1:03:57Speaker 1: in my way. He doesn't take the normal route he
- 1:04:00Speaker 1: doesn't do the normal things to get her. He's he's
- 1:04:04Speaker 1: a guy who's a maverick, a loner um, he's depressed,
- 1:04:11Speaker 1: he's full of anxiety and rage, and he just doesn't
- 1:04:14Speaker 1: know how to operate in the real world. He's never
- 1:04:17Speaker 1: seen it, his parents never showed it to him. Because
- 1:04:21Speaker 1: he's just getting it up. He's just guessing at what
- 1:04:23Speaker 1: to do. We're very focused on Jimmy because Jimmy's in
- 1:04:26Speaker 1: this episode, and like, should Jimmy have come back? Is
- 1:04:28Speaker 1: Jimmy doing the right thing? Liz abandoned him, Yeah, his
- 1:04:33Speaker 1: own mother kicked him out. Like, so I think that
- 1:04:39Speaker 1: we sometimes take Jess like, you know, oh Jess, he's
- 1:04:42Speaker 1: so smart, Oh you know this that, but like we
- 1:04:45Speaker 1: aren't really thinking about how much damage truly Jess has
- 1:04:51Speaker 1: experienced with his situation, and Luke is trying so hard,
- 1:04:58Speaker 1: so hard, but there was so much to repair, There's
- 1:05:02Speaker 1: so much to help Jes through. So I think, yeah,
- 1:05:08Speaker 1: like when I going well, Jess as being a jerk,
- 1:05:10Speaker 1: Like I'm taking it too lightly, Like this this is
- 1:05:13Speaker 1: not a situation where Luke can rescue him. He's it's
- 1:05:18Speaker 1: he's it's not possible. The kid needs to be in
- 1:05:21Speaker 1: therapy and he needs to he needs to talk to
- 1:05:24Speaker 1: a professional, and he needs to do it for over
- 1:05:27Speaker 1: a long period of time. Luke is just gonna get
- 1:05:31Speaker 1: chewed up doing this. Hopefully Luke can inspire in him
- 1:05:36Speaker 1: um the strength to you know, look in the mirror
- 1:05:41Speaker 1: and and say listen, I need help. I need real help.
- 1:05:44Speaker 1: Because do you do you think Luke did the right
- 1:05:48Speaker 1: thing or the wrong thing by saying you need to go,
- 1:05:52Speaker 1: because you're saying to him you can do twelfth grade again,
- 1:05:55Speaker 1: you can stay here. We're gonna figure this out. And
- 1:05:58Speaker 1: Jess says no. And what would happen if Luke didn't
- 1:06:02Speaker 1: get angry right and sat him down and loved the
- 1:06:06Speaker 1: kid and said, listen, let's talk what's going And I know,
- 1:06:10Speaker 1: just as impossible to talk to. But if he just
- 1:06:14Speaker 1: sits him down and says, listen, these are all your
- 1:06:17Speaker 1: choices that you're making, and choices have consequences, So you
- 1:06:20Speaker 1: can do whatever you want, you know, but here's what's
- 1:06:24Speaker 1: going to happen as a result. Right, you won't be
- 1:06:28Speaker 1: able to live here because I won't tolerate it. And
- 1:06:30Speaker 1: he I think he needs a Luke in his life,
- 1:06:34Speaker 1: but not a screaming Luke, and I under and I
- 1:06:36Speaker 1: understand that Luke is is upset, and I don't think
- 1:06:40Speaker 1: Luke can handle this. It's not it's not something that
- 1:06:45Speaker 1: he's equipped for because he doesn't have the experience raising
- 1:06:48Speaker 1: a kid. He doesn't know how to raise a kid.
- 1:06:51Speaker 1: He's never raised a kid. You know. It's you raise
- 1:06:55Speaker 1: a kid and you acquire some real special skills that
- 1:06:58Speaker 1: only other parents have, and it's you can pretend at it,
- 1:07:03Speaker 1: but if you unless you have the experience, you're gonna
- 1:07:05Speaker 1: go crazy. Because to be a parent is to be
- 1:07:10Speaker 1: like a superhuman. Patience is required, and you can get
- 1:07:16Speaker 1: in a situation that where you become so reactive and
- 1:07:19Speaker 1: you just sort of go to this place and you
- 1:07:21Speaker 1: can't do that. I can't do that with a child. Um, so, uh,
- 1:07:28Speaker 1: you know, he's in over his head. He's just in
- 1:07:31Speaker 1: over his head. It's it's it's bound to fail. That
- 1:07:33Speaker 1: relationship is bound to fail, unfortunately, and it's entertaining to watch,
- 1:07:38Speaker 1: and it's heartfelt and everybody's trying real hard and it's heartbreaking,
- 1:07:42Speaker 1: but it's doomed to failure. Yeah, what about um just
- 1:07:51Speaker 1: trying to dis Luke's job? How did you feel about that.
- 1:07:59Speaker 1: It's just that's what Jess does. He always does that
- 1:08:05Speaker 1: before he's done it before. Oh but boy, did Luke
- 1:08:08Speaker 1: have the best come back. I put him in his place. Yeah,
- 1:08:13Speaker 1: but it's interesting. Why is Luke so defensive about it
- 1:08:16Speaker 1: because some you know, Wayward nephew made a car. I
- 1:08:20Speaker 1: don't know. I think he's trying to teach Jess. I
- 1:08:22Speaker 1: think he's really trying to teach Jess respect and work
- 1:08:29Speaker 1: ethic and that like, you don't criticize that work ethic
- 1:08:34Speaker 1: that Luke has. Right, you're month pal, and I'm paying
- 1:08:42Speaker 1: for your roof over your head. I'm paying for this,
- 1:08:44Speaker 1: and I'm paying for that, and I've given you a job.
- 1:08:47Speaker 1: And I mean I would kick him out too. I
- 1:08:49Speaker 1: probably would. I will say I think that Luke was
- 1:08:52Speaker 1: as angry as he was because he realizes that just
- 1:08:56Speaker 1: like Jess's dad is there, but that's not his dad,
- 1:08:59Speaker 1: and his mom's not the a and Luke is the
- 1:09:00Speaker 1: only backbone to a family that Jess has. And like
- 1:09:06Speaker 1: the second that Luke said, then you're out of here.
- 1:09:08Speaker 1: Because Luke was trying to come up with a plant,
- 1:09:10Speaker 1: like he's like, right, stay while you're you're gonna go
- 1:09:13Speaker 1: through twelfth grade again, We're gonna do all this And
- 1:09:15Speaker 1: he's like no, and he's like, you're out. And when
- 1:09:17Speaker 1: he said that, like you just saw Jesse's face like
- 1:09:20Speaker 1: I messed Like finally. I think it took up until
- 1:09:23Speaker 1: that moment for Jess to realize like I'm actually messed up, right,
- 1:09:27Speaker 1: And Luke even says, you're gonna quit your job. You
- 1:09:30Speaker 1: don't need to have these jobs, Like, I will take
- 1:09:33Speaker 1: care of it right, focus on. You have to do this.
- 1:09:37Speaker 1: You've got to graduate. Okay, So here's a here's a
- 1:09:40Speaker 1: question for everybody. What what do you think Jess needs
- 1:09:44Speaker 1: right now? Like, like I think he needed Rory, I
- 1:09:47Speaker 1: thought he needed Luke. Like what does he need? Yeah,
- 1:09:54Speaker 1: he needs to be either you know, private, one on
- 1:09:57Speaker 1: one or a group situation. He is not ready to
- 1:10:03Speaker 1: be in adult world. He's not prepared for it. He's
- 1:10:07Speaker 1: going to fail. He's not doing that though, because he's
- 1:10:11Speaker 1: on a bust of California. Yeah he is, man, he's
- 1:10:14Speaker 1: you know, it's really interesting. Mm hmm. I mean I
- 1:10:20Speaker 1: think he's going to be common. You know, he's set
- 1:10:22Speaker 1: up to be, you know, a great actor, a great writer,
- 1:10:27Speaker 1: a great musician, whatever. I don't think he plays a
- 1:10:30Speaker 1: musical writer, but I think I think he's he's you know,
- 1:10:34Speaker 1: he's a guy who's he's going to be alone a lot.
- 1:10:38Speaker 1: He's going to have a different group of friends. Um,
- 1:10:42Speaker 1: he might not have a lot of friends, but I
- 1:10:44Speaker 1: think on his own, he's smart enough over time to
- 1:10:48Speaker 1: figure it out and he'll make something of his life.
- 1:10:52Speaker 1: I do believe that if he gets away from all
- 1:10:55Speaker 1: of this, and that's why he's going to the coast Man,
- 1:10:58Speaker 1: you know, because he wants to be three miles away
- 1:11:00Speaker 1: from his pain. Right, Yeah, there you go yet. Well,
- 1:11:05Speaker 1: and then he doesn't tell Rory that he's going, and
- 1:11:09Speaker 1: he pulls the bag out. Hell, that's a selfless move.
- 1:11:13Speaker 1: That's sparing her any further harm. He knows that he's toxic,
- 1:11:18Speaker 1: he knows that he's harmful, and he's a smart he's
- 1:11:21Speaker 1: a smart kid. He knows he couldn't hack it even
- 1:11:24Speaker 1: in that little town, right, even with his uncle helping
- 1:11:29Speaker 1: him out. He needed to get away and go find
- 1:11:32Speaker 1: himself and go get his act together, and best to
- 1:11:36Speaker 1: do it far away, right, Because he's smart enough to
- 1:11:39Speaker 1: and resourceful enough that he's going to have an open
- 1:11:42Speaker 1: He's going to have a little apartment somewhere. Right, his
- 1:11:45Speaker 1: dad has dangled the carrot by making an appearance, so
- 1:11:49Speaker 1: Jess it makes sense like Jess is going to go
- 1:11:52Speaker 1: find him. I weirdly had like an aha moment, and
- 1:11:55Speaker 1: I just don't know if it's right or not. Do
- 1:11:57Speaker 1: you think the reason why he was working so hard
- 1:12:00Speaker 1: hard at Walmart was to have an escape plan? Yes,
- 1:12:05Speaker 1: exactly what it was. Yeah, because for a while I
- 1:12:08Speaker 1: was like, why is he working so hard? You know?
- 1:12:11Speaker 1: And now it's kind of like, oh, he had in
- 1:12:13Speaker 1: California in the brain, but he didn't know his dad
- 1:12:16Speaker 1: was in California. But maybe he had escape I think
- 1:12:20Speaker 1: I think that he had heard from his mother that
- 1:12:24Speaker 1: your father is in California. Probably so, and maybe he
- 1:12:29Speaker 1: got a letter or two. Right, maybe it's a phone
- 1:12:32Speaker 1: call every once in a while, but he knew. I
- 1:12:34Speaker 1: don't think. So I don't know. Well, I don't know.
- 1:12:38Speaker 1: First of all, really quickly, I do laugh because even
- 1:12:41Speaker 1: in all the drama of this episode, when Jimmy says
- 1:12:45Speaker 1: I'm your father and just says are you sure? That's
- 1:12:50Speaker 1: amazing and a shout out to toe Futter, which I
- 1:12:53Speaker 1: didn't know. But guys, abrupt transition here? Are we sure
- 1:12:58Speaker 1: the red coat doesn't in anything? Because the prom dress
- 1:13:02Speaker 1: that they looked at in the window was also bright red.
- 1:13:06Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, like you know what it is,
- 1:13:08Speaker 1: and you're like not telling us. No, I don't. I
- 1:13:11Speaker 1: need help. I literally would tell you if I knew.
- 1:13:13Speaker 1: But people are going to have to help. Is there
- 1:13:16Speaker 1: some significant significant meanings they used to call British soldiers
- 1:13:22Speaker 1: red coats? Someone's giving that. I don't think that's it.
- 1:13:25Speaker 1: I have one to producer, Jackie, give us right, that's
- 1:13:29Speaker 1: not it, Jackie, give us your give us your bone
- 1:13:31Speaker 1: to pick, Tara. My one bone to pick is how
- 1:13:34Speaker 1: did Rory not notice the giant sacks next to Jestly? Totally,
- 1:13:41Speaker 1: but I guess we didn't notice. It was also two
- 1:13:43Speaker 1: seconds that she was next to him. I know it
- 1:13:45Speaker 1: could have been under the seat, right, yeah, but like
- 1:13:48Speaker 1: I don't know because she walked towards him when I
- 1:13:50Speaker 1: don't know that he was all kind of bound up
- 1:13:54Speaker 1: in his leather jacket, which he gave her the bomb
- 1:13:57Speaker 1: that she wasn't going to prom so like I think
- 1:14:00Speaker 1: that she was focused on, yeah, she's really not going
- 1:14:04Speaker 1: to problem. Yeah, and then when he said, I'll call you,
- 1:14:08Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's because you're leaving, you're not staying around. Well,
- 1:14:12Speaker 1: the red could mean you know, energy, action, passion, whatever.
- 1:14:16Speaker 1: Who knows. She was the only one that was appropriate
- 1:14:19Speaker 1: that didn't try to hassle some Paul barrels Bears bears
- 1:14:23Speaker 1: to make a deal. I'd skipped a couple of important
- 1:14:26Speaker 1: things too. When they read about Dean's engagement in the paper,
- 1:14:29Speaker 1: which that was a lickety split paper, but also when
- 1:14:33Speaker 1: about Lordline makes the joke about maybe he's just gonna
- 1:14:35Speaker 1: grow so tall. I mean, the whole episode was great,
- 1:14:41Speaker 1: Like we could go on for days. It's like, is
- 1:14:43Speaker 1: there anything that stood out to anybody else that was
- 1:14:46Speaker 1: super safe? I loved that Taylor was handing out the
- 1:14:49Speaker 1: pamphlets at the door and said the the the opening
- 1:14:53Speaker 1: is is now postponed. I said, these people are incredibly
- 1:14:59Speaker 1: in a appropriate like all of them, you know, it's
- 1:15:03Speaker 1: like Taylor Marlins. The only other things that the only
- 1:15:09Speaker 1: other things I would say is like now, like we
- 1:15:13Speaker 1: should emphasize that Lane is going to problem with Dave
- 1:15:16Speaker 1: like that, like that is and with Mrs Kim knowing
- 1:15:21Speaker 1: like young choose out, you know, like that's a I
- 1:15:25Speaker 1: feel like that's big and then yeah, um, and then
- 1:15:30Speaker 1: I would say the dragon fight, and I know that's
- 1:15:32Speaker 1: going to be something very significant. Alright. So in honor Fran,
- 1:15:38Speaker 1: let's rate this episode on one to ten Weston's Bakery cupcakes.
- 1:15:44Speaker 1: How many cupcakes would you give it? I am a
- 1:15:48Speaker 1: ten out of ten cup although twelve out of ten
- 1:15:52Speaker 1: doesn't come doesn't I would say ten out of ten
- 1:15:55Speaker 1: cup takes too. It was very hard for me not
- 1:15:58Speaker 1: to watch the next episode, Like very hard. Yeah, ten
- 1:16:02Speaker 1: out of ten. This episode foreshadowed a lot coming up,
- 1:16:06Speaker 1: so that's why I loved it. Um, can we just
- 1:16:09Speaker 1: favorite lines? After? How many cupcakes? Were there any flaws anything? No,
- 1:16:19Speaker 1: it's just like two plot holes, like we had a
- 1:16:21Speaker 1: couple of pot holes. Um, I'll give it, you know,
- 1:16:26Speaker 1: ten yeah, ten out of ten. Yeah, I think it's
- 1:16:29Speaker 1: a perfect ted. There's nothing to do, nothing to complain about.
- 1:16:33Speaker 1: Their he's got their favorite lines. To go ahead. You
- 1:16:38Speaker 1: only get to do one. You only get to do one. No, no, no,
- 1:16:42Speaker 1: you will come back to you come on the last.
- 1:16:46Speaker 1: Just in case somebody does my line, I'll one of
- 1:16:49Speaker 1: the two. I'll save it. It's a wild guest, but
- 1:16:51Speaker 1: I think it's rhyme rhymes with that, but I did
- 1:16:54Speaker 1: it wrong. One it's a wild guest, but I think
- 1:16:56Speaker 1: his name rhymes with tess. Go ahead, go ahead Tower.
- 1:17:01Speaker 1: I like the line where Loura La says, so not
- 1:17:03Speaker 1: only did you go to a cooporated party, but you
- 1:17:05Speaker 1: were the cause of the fight that caused the rain.
- 1:17:09Speaker 1: All right, Danielle, one, you get one, well, Amy said
- 1:17:11Speaker 1: my one of my two, So that's good. My second
- 1:17:14Speaker 1: one was from Dean de Rory when um, when he goes, now,
- 1:17:17Speaker 1: you know, have a nice life. Yeah, yeah, right there.
- 1:17:23Speaker 1: My favorite line was Adam Brody saying saying I'm I'm
- 1:17:30Speaker 1: so tired. That was hysterical. He was up all nighties,
- 1:17:36Speaker 1: I'll dishoveled him. You just really need an answer right now.
- 1:17:41Speaker 1: Clown Pillow ily re emerged, Is that right? Yep? It
- 1:17:48Speaker 1: was half of the clown Pillow when Lorea. I was
- 1:17:50Speaker 1: talking to Emily on the phone trying to think if
- 1:17:53Speaker 1: there's any other harsh criticism I read on the Instagram
- 1:17:58Speaker 1: this past week. It was coming in hot. I think
- 1:18:04Speaker 1: we got to it. Although they also don't like when
- 1:18:07Speaker 1: I say the Instagram, yeah, it going to pick. You
- 1:18:14Speaker 1: know what, I would love to incorporate what is fan
- 1:18:17Speaker 1: thoughts for this show? Yeah, so you'd love to, like
- 1:18:22Speaker 1: ask on the Instagram before on the instagram on Instagram
- 1:18:25Speaker 1: before we recap an episode, what what are your fan
- 1:18:29Speaker 1: thoughts of um the you know, KEG Max or whatever
- 1:18:32Speaker 1: it is. And then we were some of them, so
- 1:18:34Speaker 1: like if they're different than the four of ours, we
- 1:18:37Speaker 1: can incorporate everyone's thoughts, right, or we take a moment
- 1:18:40Speaker 1: like this week to acknowledge what we left up from
- 1:18:44Speaker 1: the week before. Yeah, whatever it is, keep them coming,
- 1:18:48Speaker 1: keep them coming, all right, let's uh, let's wrap it
- 1:18:53Speaker 1: up here, thank you? What's next week? Oh? I know what?
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