Latest / The Junto Podcast / E40: Don't Expect Hard Things Not To Be Hard
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- 0:10Hello, America. Welcome to the Junto Podcast, where we promote the practical
- 0:15applications of critical thinking and bold creativity.
- 0:18I am your host, Edgar Mills. Thanks for joining.
- 0:29Hello, good people. Welcome to the Junto podcast, episode 40.
- 0:33I appreciate you guys for staying with me. I really, really do.
- 0:36This title, sorry, this episode is entitled something to the effect of don't
- 0:42expect hard things to be hard, not to be hard.
- 0:46Me and my friend, Nathan Hicks kicked that around for a while and it was in reference.
- 0:52He was doing an episode on talking about a race, a running race that he did
- 0:56and heard some people kind of moaning and groaning about the difficulty and
- 1:02the elevation and things like that.
- 1:05And my first thing was like, well, why would you sign up for a race,
- 1:10an endurance race, like an ultra race?
- 1:14So anyway, that jumped in my head. Don't expect hard things not to be hard.
- 1:21Well, hey, here's the news, folks. Life is hard.
- 1:25It's not just doing ultra marathons or ultra races or these enormous,
- 1:32crazy physical events that people train for these days, these Ironman stuff
- 1:39and the tactical games stuff.
- 1:42All those things are hard, Yeah, but but life in general is hard that and it
- 1:48affects different people in different ways.
- 1:50But I'm going to give you, for example, I know at least five people who have
- 1:57lost children and and I'm not talking about miscarriage.
- 2:02I mean, like adolescent and teen, you know, aged children.
- 2:08And I cannot imagine anything.
- 2:12Tougher than that worse than that i cannot i can't
- 2:16even say how i would react to something like that it's
- 2:19just beyond my it's beyond me
- 2:22but these p of these people will
- 2:25handle it well that's not true one one guy committed suicide but the others
- 2:30are they seem to be very healthy about it not to say that there's no pain and
- 2:37probably pain lingers every day but they're dealing with it in a healthy way.
- 2:44So there's, there's different things that are tough in life.
- 2:47It's not just physical stuff.
- 2:49And if you think life is, I don't know, I guess if maybe if you're born into
- 2:54a rich family, life can be fairly easy in a financial way.
- 3:00Like you might have things and you might be able to do all the things you want to do and have,
- 3:05have nice house and, and nice cars and nice and boats and all the things but
- 3:11there's probably different sort of problems that you're dealing with there so
- 3:15i can't speak from experience on that i just imagine.
- 3:21But in the theme of don't expect hard things not to be hard let's let's look at some stuff once,
- 3:29once you decide to go after a thing to do something that seems like a challenge,
- 3:36you need to develop realistic expectations and I don't mean just that oh well
- 3:42I'm probably going to fail not that,
- 3:46Be prepared for that, but don't plan for failure. Just be prepared for it.
- 3:53But you have to be realistic, and your analysis of the thing has to be as accurate as possible.
- 4:02And understand that it's going to be tough, and it's going to be tough in different ways.
- 4:06And don't kid yourself on thinking it's going to be smooth.
- 4:10And I'm saying, I said after a big thing, and that's whatever it is.
- 4:14Whether you plan to summit a big giant mountain peak or go on a hundred mile
- 4:21run or more or whatever, or apply to some prestigious,
- 4:29really tough, you know, I don't know, Georgia Tech or something.
- 4:34Understand that there's going to be obstacles and difficulties and peaks and
- 4:41lulls and the way you deal with those things.
- 4:47I always, you guys know I like to every now and again quote the Stoics.
- 4:52And Marcus Aurelius said that the impediment to action advances action.
- 4:58What stands in the way becomes the way.
- 5:01Yeah. Now, I did an episode on the paradox of constraints that touches on that.
- 5:08Yeah, hard things, yeah, they're tough, but it helps you to develop alternative,
- 5:16clever ways to defeat these obstacles or to get around them or over them or
- 5:21under them or however you do it.
- 5:24So expect the difficulties because that's just part of the path.
- 5:28That's just what it is. And then there's always the element of discipline versus motivation.
- 5:37And there's always going to be a motivation to start a thing or something.
- 5:42There's going to be a spark, right? And the motivation is usually the spark.
- 5:46And I've discovered in my life, and it's true with me and maybe not everyone
- 5:50else, is that motivation fades, whereas discipline kind of holds steady, right?
- 5:57Discipline is the steady baseline.
- 6:01Motivation fades. It comes and goes. It depends on how, you know,
- 6:04if you've had the flu for the past two weeks, maybe you're not motivated to do much.
- 6:09So you just got to have the discipline to go do things.
- 6:13So understand that. So we're going to talk about physical challenges.
- 6:19And this is from my perspective and what I've experienced in my life.
- 6:23Then we're going to talk about sort of life challenge.
- 6:26And I'm going to keep it somewhat superficial. superficial
- 6:29we could talk about all sorts of life challenges folks
- 6:32relationships with your spouse or
- 6:36parents or children addiction dealing with some sort of addiction just all kinds
- 6:42of things dealing with a loved one or spouse who committed suicide man there's
- 6:48so many deep hard things we could talk about i'm going to keep you kind of superficial
- 6:52just talk about entrepreneurship,
- 6:55But first, I want to talk about the physical stuff.
- 6:57Now, for me, and this may be good or bad, but the toughest physical thing I've
- 7:05ever really done was selection for Special Forces Selection.
- 7:11And I can tell you now I was young. I think I was 24 or 25 when I went to selection.
- 7:19So yeah, I should have been mature. I wasn't very mature at 25,
- 7:24but I did not, I did not underestimate selection.
- 7:29I knew it was going to be hard. In fact, I thought it was going to be so hard that I wouldn't make it.
- 7:35I went with the mindset that I'm going to give this everything I have and I hope I'm good enough.
- 7:45That was it. And I wasn't a physical guru by any stretch.
- 7:49I think when I was young and that age range, especially I was hard.
- 7:55I was just kind of naturally, I was, I was kind of, I would say tough for, right.
- 8:01There were stronger guys in me and faster guys than me, but I had some tenacity
- 8:04and I had, I don't know, I was fueled a little bit even by anger and just stubbornness probably.
- 8:13But the physical fitness part of it was tough. I was, I was challenged.
- 8:18And I'll tell you, I've seen some numbers where you, you can burn anywhere.
- 8:24So during team week, you could burn up to 10,000 calories in a day.
- 8:31And now that being said, your day was, well, depends on how efficient you and
- 8:36your team were to how long your day was during team week.
- 8:39But yeah, can you imagine burning 10,000 calories in a day.
- 8:44Now I can tell you, I went into a selection weighing 196 pounds and I came out
- 8:48weighing 167 pounds, I think.
- 8:54So I can see that. I can see those numbers as far as calories go.
- 8:59But I'm going to share some things that I witnessed and then I'll share some
- 9:02things that I went through.
- 9:03The mental piece of selection, I did not think was very hard.
- 9:08I was coming from the 82nd going to selection.
- 9:13And during the 90s and into the early 2000s, the 82nd was not a pleasurable experience.
- 9:23It wasn't, you know. And I was very motivated, I guess, or very frustrated that
- 9:30I wanted to advance. I wanted to see what Special Forces had to offer.
- 9:37And then, of course, my uncle, who was a Green Beret in Vietnam and those sorts
- 9:42of things, drove me to that.
- 9:46But what I saw from guys there was some guys were very wrapped around,
- 9:52what we call G2 or trying to get the, you know, trying to know what's coming
- 9:57next because they change selection up periodically so that people can't war game it, right?
- 10:06They don't want you to know what's coming next. They just want to throw things
- 10:10at you to see how you react to those things.
- 10:13They don't want you to have the schedule all in front of you.
- 10:16Now, that's when I went through, and that was in 1998.
- 10:20So how much has changed since then, I don't know.
- 10:25But I'll give you an example is that our instructors were very, very unanimated.
- 10:33They didn't speak. They rarely spoke.
- 10:37And if they spoke, it was simply to give, you know, some very basic generic
- 10:42information that had to be put out.
- 10:46We didn't do any classes. There was no instruction during my selection class.
- 10:53It was simply take all instructions from the whiteboard.
- 10:59And, you know, you had your fire watch, right? And then every guy on his shift
- 11:05would go and check the whiteboard. And...
- 11:11The instructors usually didn't put the instructions on the whiteboard until
- 11:14the wee hours of the morning.
- 11:16They wouldn't write it up there like 8 o'clock at night, you know what I mean, the night prior.
- 11:21They would write it up at 4 o'clock in the morning, and there would be a,
- 11:26you know, 5 o'clock wake up, 5.30 first formation type thing.
- 11:33And what they wrote on the board was the time to be in formation,
- 11:38the equipment needed, and the uniform.
- 11:41They didn't, they didn't write what we were going to do or anything else.
- 11:46Be, be here at this time, have this equipment and look, have this uniform on. That is all.
- 11:56And so you'd go out, stay in a formation and, you know, it was a special forces formation.
- 12:02So we just kind of, kind of gaggled around a little bit, but,
- 12:05and then an instructor would come out and deliver the news, whatever it was.
- 12:13Okay, guys, we're going to get on these trucks right here and go there,
- 12:17or we're going to march to, or we're going to march, follow me.
- 12:21And then we'd go do a thing and then we'd get to wherever the event was going
- 12:24to start. Now this was physical fitness.
- 12:26If it was a run, you usually had an idea that it was going to be a run because
- 12:31the uniform would be wear your sneakers and you didn't have your ruck with you,
- 12:37which was the only time you didn't have your ruck with you by the way was when
- 12:40you when you're doing a run and then every other time it was just unknown anyway
- 12:45i'm dragging on here what what what i mean to say is,
- 12:49there were dudes who had a very hard time mentally with the with the unknown
- 12:54with not knowing what was coming next,
- 12:58And then the whiteboard would say what it said. We would all get up and go stand in formation.
- 13:03And then dudes would be like, nah, I heard it was going to be a 13-mile run.
- 13:07Or I heard it was going to be this or that or the other.
- 13:10Now, I did a very good job at not listening to that stuff.
- 13:14Simply because I knew they didn't know what was coming. Whoever says they know
- 13:19a thing, chances are they don't.
- 13:23And I also had my buddy next to me on roster number next to me.
- 13:27I think I was, I might've been, was I 80 and he was 79 or something to that effect.
- 13:35You know, we, we kind of, we were kind of on the same sheet of music.
- 13:40Our fitness was pretty similar and we just stuck together and yeah, that was it.
- 13:46The dudes who couldn't handle the unknown. Well, my partner and I, his name was Jamie.
- 13:51We made a game out of trying to guess who was going to quit,
- 13:54you know, that night. Right.
- 13:56The first few guys that quit early in the game, and there is no reason to quit
- 14:01early in selection, by the way.
- 14:04Well, there's no reason to quit anyway, but team week is the brutalizer.
- 14:09The first week where you're doing all your sort of physical standards and those
- 14:14types of things, just no reason. I just can't understand it.
- 14:19But guys would quit. And then the good dudes would leave like all their moleskin
- 14:25and betadine solution on their bunk.
- 14:28And they would just go to the shack of shame.
- 14:32And that's good. at least they left their good stuff behind.
- 14:34You know what I mean? Blisters were a thing.
- 14:37I got news for you folks. I had bitch feet. I get blisters pretty easy and my
- 14:42feet were pretty tore up pretty quick.
- 14:45The unknown, not knowing what to do, not knowing what your next task was going to be.
- 14:52This messed with people. It didn't mess with me.
- 14:55I was just happy not to be in the 82nd for that period of time yeah so you might
- 14:59go get a couple hours of sleep I think on on the the first,
- 15:05few days you know we'd maybe get three or four hours of sleep but then once
- 15:10things started picking up a little bit it was it was much less and then you'd
- 15:15yeah you'd get up in the morning and there would be empty bunks and you're like yeah.
- 15:20So-and-so V-dubbed or voluntary withdrawal. And guess what? That messes with
- 15:25other guys' heads, right? Why did this guy quit?
- 15:28Especially if it's a guy you think was a stud or something like that.
- 15:31You're like, man, that guy was killing it. What happened?
- 15:35Why did he quit? And who knows what their agendas are.
- 15:39So even the fact of other people quitting would make some guys really question themselves.
- 15:47And then physically, man, yeah, it was brutal. you know
- 15:50you have a rucksack on your back almost non-stop almost non-stop and it's somewhere
- 15:56in the neighborhood of 65 plus pounds i want to say it was it had to be 55 dry
- 16:02with no water no food i think i can't i can't remember it was a long time ago
- 16:08it's something like that,
- 16:10and that don't seem too heavy and you do get used to it but man it gets pretty brutal,
- 16:17because you're moving with this ruck even when you're moving during team
- 16:21week you know and you got you're carrying all these crazy things
- 16:24you're carrying them on top of your ruck you still have to carry the ruck are
- 16:28you doing the sand babies or all that stuff or you're carrying the unstable
- 16:32missiles for 12 or 15 clicks which is just unstable missile is just code word
- 16:40for a giant telephone pole or two.
- 16:44So it's pretty crazy, and it's really rough on the back. It's really rough on
- 16:50the hands, and it's really rough on the feet.
- 16:53And there were guys, I can remember this one guy, man.
- 17:00He was a leg infantryman from possibly Korea, and he kept talking about early,
- 17:09right? He was like, hey, man, you just got to have hand strength.
- 17:12Just make sure you got strong hands. He's just got to have sand strength.
- 17:15And the very first team event we did was carrying these big ammo,
- 17:21these big rectangular, very wide, long and narrow ammo cans filled with dirt.
- 17:31And they just had a little nylon rope as a handle, and it was a thin nylon rope.
- 17:35And they were pretty heavy.
- 17:37And, you know, you'd be on one side, another guy would be on the other.
- 17:41You'd walk, you'd switch out, rotate, go to, go to the front. Then you work.
- 17:46And eventually the way it worked out was like one guy would have a break, right?
- 17:51One guy would walk with nothing while the other guys were carrying everything.
- 17:55And then we'd, however, however many meters we'd go and then we'd stop, sit down, rotate.
- 18:01And I remember, man, we were, I mean, not even long into this,
- 18:04only maybe a couple of, you know, couple of four or five miles into this movement. and this dude quit.
- 18:12Here's the secret. In team week, you're a part of a team.
- 18:19All the equipment that leaves that camp comes back to that camp,
- 18:24regardless of who's carrying it.
- 18:27If you quit out in the middle of an event, what you've just done is screwed all your teammates.
- 18:33Yeah, that's what you've done. If you quit on an event, you've just screwed your teammates.
- 18:39You know let people know man say hey i'm hurting i
- 18:41need you know and dudes will pump you up dudes will motivate dudes
- 18:45will will even help try to pick up a little
- 18:48more of your weight just to help you
- 18:51out but just quit and he quit like cold
- 18:54like there was no indicator we we did
- 18:56a break we set him down he said that's it i'm done went
- 19:00back told the cadre cadre's like well okay
- 19:04and he still walked behind us for the entire rest of the the the event he just
- 19:11walked behind us with nothing he still had to carry his ruck too by the way
- 19:14um so it was it was real odd i thought it was crazy that he quit and it was
- 19:20a hand strength sort of event yeah,
- 19:23it's crazy it's brutal right it's brutal the distances are are usually well
- 19:29the runs and the rucks the distances are unknown i want to say our final trek
- 19:33you know whatever it was was.
- 19:3725 30 miles something in that neighborhood and the team events you know the cadre would,
- 19:45the whoever the team leader at the moment was have had
- 19:48a map you go all right you're here move to there you
- 19:52got you know go and there was you know
- 19:55timelines that that we were unsure of or no we had time hacks on those yeah
- 20:01we had time hacks and that was one of the big things right did you make the
- 20:05time hack or not it was interesting it was crazy and it was pretty awesome i
- 20:12didn't underestimate it,
- 20:13but it was hard.
- 20:16It wasn't exactly as I imagined.
- 20:19And I did a pretty good job at assessing other dudes and, and sort of,
- 20:28yeah, I compare myself to other dudes, but there were some studs there, like physical studs.
- 20:33And I want to say, there's a
- 20:35guy and I want to say he was in my selection class. His name is Akil Bay.
- 20:38And he's, he does his own training up in Baltimore more nowadays,
- 20:42he's retired and all, but man, that guy was like the head of the pack on everything.
- 20:47He was a physical phenom and like he came in first on the ruck.
- 20:52He came in first on, he was always first on the runs and all that stuff.
- 20:57And of course he got selected.
- 21:01But when I was measuring myself against that guy, I was like,
- 21:03oh my God, if I'm not going to make it.
- 21:08Somehow I did. Thank goodness. Thank goodness for that. Somehow I did.
- 21:14Think a lot of guys that did quit, I think they underestimated maybe the difficulty
- 21:22or maybe just the psychological game.
- 21:25They underestimated the sort of fear of the unknown or maybe underestimated their preparation.
- 21:34There's a lot of things. There's a lot of things, but I think the guys who who
- 21:39quit, I think that's where they were at.
- 21:45A lot of underestimating. Yeah. Or possibly overestimating themselves. I don't know.
- 21:51There ain't no shortage of arrogance either around the special forces community.
- 21:57So I read, I read one story of a guy and I
- 22:00can't remember his name so i'm not gonna but he
- 22:03was a candidate right and he in his
- 22:07story was that he was cruising in the wee
- 22:10hours of night on some land nav and got
- 22:13pulled into one of those gnarly draws out
- 22:16there in the hoppin training
- 22:19area and he and
- 22:22he had some kind of you know sort of i don't
- 22:25know cheap map case kind of ghettoed up map map case but
- 22:28while he was squeezing through his draw he lost his
- 22:31map and it was raining and all the stuff
- 22:34right and he goes through here and he and he loses his
- 22:37map well that that's it you're done if you ain't got a map he's done and he
- 22:45didn't have any an additional map for sure and you know i don't know i think
- 22:52because he lost his map he might have got DRAWT.
- 22:58But I don't know. Did he underestimate something or was it just bad equipment?
- 23:01Or did he underestimate the importance of like making sure his gear was good?
- 23:07Making sure his pockets were buttoned? Okay.
- 23:12I just gave away my age, right? In the 90s, we had buttons on our BDUs, not Velcro.
- 23:20Yeah, always make sure your pocket's buttoned, always, because that map will come right on out, baby.
- 23:28Did he underestimate that, you know, his little details?
- 23:32Because little details matter, folks. They matter. So, yeah, that sucks.
- 23:38But in contrast, you guys have heard of, I'm sure, because he's on the internet
- 23:42a lot, not as a content creator, just his story will pop up occasionally. Johnny Kim.
- 23:50And he he was a navy seal and then
- 23:54he went and that's tough right selection sfas
- 23:58and buds and all that stuff it's it's all different but the same it's very hard
- 24:03it's very tough it's grueling and it's like never ending it seems and you got
- 24:09sleep deprivation and food sort of deprivation And you're expected to do,
- 24:15I don't want to say superhuman.
- 24:18It's not superhuman at all, but it seems that way at the time,
- 24:23you know, the feats of strength and whatnot.
- 24:28It's like Festivus every day at Selection. And so this guy goes on to become
- 24:34a doctor, like a Harvard trained doctor, which being a SEAL, okay, great.
- 24:40He did some hard things, right? Then he goes and does intellectually and mentally
- 24:46tough, hard things to be a doctor.
- 24:49And then the guy goes on to be a NASA astronaut.
- 24:52Now we're talking about levels of difficulty, leaps and bounds beyond where
- 25:00I'm at, right, intellectually and stuff.
- 25:02So this guy has done a series of full-spectrum hard, hard things.
- 25:08Did he underestimate anything? I doubt it. I doubt it. Yeah.
- 25:14His story is, well, it's definitely one of commitment.
- 25:20For sure. But also preparation, man.
- 25:25He had focus and preparate, right? He had to be prepared.
- 25:30You don't just, you might squeeze through the cracks in one thing or another,
- 25:34but I don't see you going from SEAL to doctor to astronaut just by squeezing
- 25:39through the cracks at all.
- 25:41So preparation, right? And he was prepared for the difficulties and the hardships,
- 25:46and he probably had the contingencies, And he was highly focused and had some internal grit.
- 25:56Turn three very difficult things
- 25:59into reality. And that's crazy and that's inspirational a little bit even.
- 26:05So now we're going to go back into Stoic philosophy here a little bit.
- 26:11Epictetus, who I also quote pretty regularly, he says that it's not what happens
- 26:18to you, but how you react to it that matters.
- 26:22Yeah, it's how you react to it. How do you take that punch in the gut.
- 26:28In selection, right, there's pain, physical pain, and there's uncertainty. That's it.
- 26:33But how you respond to those things is inwardly and outwardly,
- 26:38because also the daggum cadre are always watching you.
- 26:43Yep, the cadre are always watching you. And this is a standard quote throughout
- 26:48SOF, is that you're always being assessed.
- 26:52And that's kind of a tough way to live, right?
- 26:56But at least during selection, you know that you're there to be assessed.
- 27:00It's in the title, assessment and selection, right? You're being assessed.
- 27:06So if you take it in stride because those guys are looking at the way you respond to hardship.
- 27:14Do you start pouting or blaming, playing the blame game?
- 27:17You start getting pissy or do you like buckle down, get positive,
- 27:23Pull your teammates together and keep rolling.
- 27:28It's how you respond to these things. Yeah, it's how you respond to these things.
- 27:34So make a conscious effort to respond to hardship and,
- 27:40Even if you're internally screaming out loud, externally, maintain your composure.
- 27:49And I'm not telling you to fake the funk by any stretch, but the man to your
- 27:54left and right, if you go into what I call a homosexual panic,
- 27:59then they might too. And you don't want that.
- 28:01You don't want panic in some of these times of difficulty, especially in combat, right?
- 28:07Especially in combat. that. You cannot have panic.
- 28:11You cannot have it. How do you react to things?
- 28:15Well, you will react better to things by having mentally prepared for those things.
- 28:21Now, you can't foresee every possible thing that comes along,
- 28:27but you can make some contingency plans that sort of get real close to addressing
- 28:32most foreseeable problems.
- 28:35Yeah, selection. I don't talk about it a lot. It was just another course. It was a unique time.
- 28:44And then there's the mind game at the end, right? When I was there,
- 28:47they called out roughly the remaining candidates that were there.
- 28:54They called out about half and then the other half. So there was two formations standing there.
- 29:01But they didn't tell you which formation was which. You didn't know who was
- 29:04the selectees and who was the non-selects.
- 29:07But guess what in both of those formations there were
- 29:11dudes who were shit bags and dudes who were studs so
- 29:15as you're standing in one formation looking over at the other and you're like
- 29:18there's no way that guy didn't get selected he's a stud but then you look you
- 29:24know two ranks back and you're like well that guy was a piece of shit he never
- 29:28pulled his weight he didn't help anybody else pull their weight he was just
- 29:32just there and then you look at your own formation and you're like, man,
- 29:36that guy's a stud. Oh man, that dude's a shit bag.
- 29:41And then in my class, the way they did it, we still, it was the old,
- 29:46old school Robin Sage, right? So they had the pavilion.
- 29:48They still had what they call back then the million dollar shitter and rocks.
- 29:53They had rocks all over the place everywhere.
- 29:54I hadn't been to Camp McCall in decades, but, and then they one at a time called
- 30:00your name and they called the names from each of those formations, I think.
- 30:06Yeah, that's right. So we had the two formations split and then,
- 30:10you know, probably six cadre were under the pavilion at their own little picnic table.
- 30:16And then somebody would call your name and you'd run up there. All right.
- 30:21Here's. And then they would kind of give you just a little generic rundown of
- 30:25what, how your performance was.
- 30:27And then they would either say, congratulations, you've been selected or.
- 30:33You didn't make it come back in six months and it
- 30:36was a stressful time that was that was the most stressful time to be to be quite
- 30:43honest with you that was the most stressful time was waiting to be called to
- 30:49come up and and stand in front of the guy who was in front of me was a first sergeant of,
- 30:55of like a, a SWCC,
- 30:58Camp McCall, whatever the first sergeant job was, you know,
- 31:02old crusty old fifth group, just crusty old dude, angry dude,
- 31:07bald, you know, hard as, hard as frigging nails.
- 31:13And he said, yeah, you, you're a little slow on some of your land nav and whatnot.
- 31:18And I thought, okay, okay. Back to the 80 second I go.
- 31:24He says, but we think you have great potential. Congratulations.
- 31:28I was like, I didn't outwardly smile or anything.
- 31:33Cause I, and then at that point I didn't want to turn around and look at my homies.
- 31:37Do you know what I mean? And then one of my homies not make it or something.
- 31:41Anyway, it was very emotional moment.
- 31:43All right. That's enough of selection. Golly, I'm dragging on and on that.
- 31:46That's enough of selection.
- 31:48It was tough. I went in with a blank mind.
- 31:51And I know some of you just make some jokes right now on that,
- 31:54but I went in with a blank mind. I didn't have expectations.
- 31:58My, my only thought was I'm going to stay and I'm going to go as hard as I can go until the end.
- 32:06And that's it because I don't want to be in the 82nd. There you go.
- 32:11Now I want to go into, so that was, that was decades ago and that was,
- 32:18that was awesome. Right. It was fun.
- 32:20Started a career. You know, I, I had a good career.
- 32:25It wasn't golden boy career by any stretch, but I enjoyed a lot of things I did.
- 32:29I enjoyed being a special forces guy and I did a lot of cool stuff and I'm glad
- 32:34I got to do it. And I did a lot of combat.
- 32:36And even that, I hate to say, I'm glad I got to do it. That's what your job is, is to do that.
- 32:43So now let's talk about life, life challenges.
- 32:46And I went back and forth with myself on what we're going to talk about.
- 32:51My wife mentioned talking about addiction and stuff like that.
- 32:54And that would be very deep and hard to talk about.
- 33:00But I've never experienced any addiction issues. So I don't think I have enough insight into that.
- 33:09I decided to go with something a little more superficial.
- 33:13Well, it's not superficial really, but entrepreneurship, because I do have experience with that.
- 33:20It's learn as you go experience, but it's still experience.
- 33:28In my entrepreneurial journey, we're having
- 33:33some controversy right now over our range plan we're trying to
- 33:36build our range and or meeting some some resistance
- 33:39as expected and understandable
- 33:43resistance at that but my wife so I know for sure in 2010 that I started making
- 33:52plans for a range shooting range complex that I had on digits and I know this sounds weak,
- 34:01but all, everything was done on PowerPoint.
- 34:03You know what I mean? Little blocks, little squares and lines and colors.
- 34:08And I created range plants and I tried to do them to scale the best I could
- 34:14to, to sort of give a good visual.
- 34:17So, and my wife said I was talking about it as early as 2008.
- 34:21And that's probably true.
- 34:24About the time I went, I think that's about the time I was starting my second
- 34:29duty station in SF was leaving Germany and going to Colorado Springs.
- 34:36And, you know, you got to think of, of it like a, kind of like a child, right?
- 34:43You, you conceive this idea, right?
- 34:47Like, okay, you formulate an
- 34:50idea of what you want to do well i have a talent
- 34:53for shooting and a pretty good instructor i think
- 34:56and this is what i'm good at i'm i'm largely uneducated i don't have many skills
- 35:02as far as technical skills go i can swing a hammer for sure and dig a ditch
- 35:08but i don't have any skills as far as the market goes, right?
- 35:14My skill is in shooting and training.
- 35:16And so I knew that early and I knew early that I didn't want to finish college.
- 35:23So I conceived the plan of the range and then I put these magical plans on digits, right?
- 35:33One of my early plans was something like a 1,000 yard by 1,000 yard sort of
- 35:40square with all these ranges and this little fob in the middle and a driving
- 35:47track on it, all this big, crazy stuff.
- 35:50And obviously I was inspired by places like Blackwater or I think Constellus
- 35:55or whatever it is now out in Moyoc, North Carolina.
- 35:58And I was inspired by places like that, that had sort of all this one-stop self-contained
- 36:05tactical wonderland type stuff.
- 36:07And I was inspired by that. And I thought, man, I could, so I made these big
- 36:11fantastical best case scenario things.
- 36:15And I did that for a couple of years, just like, okay, kind of doing different
- 36:19size and different things.
- 36:22Well, well.
- 36:25Around in 2017, well, somewhere around 2015, I started doing math on like actual
- 36:34costs and things like that.
- 36:36Never mind land costs, but like just earth movers.
- 36:41And I was thinking about HESCO barriers and I was thinking about buildings and
- 36:45I'm thinking about structures, cinder block, you know, structures like you find
- 36:50on a military base for shoe houses and things.
- 36:53And began to realize very quickly that these numbers are astronomical,
- 36:59that I am nowhere near capable of getting those numbers.
- 37:06I don't have money people. I don't know big money people, right?
- 37:12So I started paring the idea down.
- 37:15And ultimately, even in Colorado, before we came back to Georgia,
- 37:21before we came back home, I reckoned that somewhere between 20 and 40 acres
- 37:26was, was going to be doable.
- 37:29And then at that, I reckoned that 20 acres was the minimum.
- 37:36Anything less than 20 acres was not going to be able to accomplish the things
- 37:41we wanted to accomplish in the business.
- 37:44It would just be nothing more than a shooting range in your front yard with
- 37:48limited, very limited capacity. So 20 acres was necessary.
- 37:52And in that 20 acres, you can do a lot if you're efficient and if you efficiently lay things out.
- 37:58And so that's what we did. So one of the very first obstacles,
- 38:03and it's still an obstacle today, was money.
- 38:06How do we defeat that? Well, I have some unique plans that I'm going to implement
- 38:11when the time is correct.
- 38:12But money and planning is kind of, there's a catch-22 where you can't execute
- 38:19certain things without money and you can't get investors without having executed
- 38:23certain things. So it's.
- 38:28Key linchpins there is land and finding the deal, right?
- 38:33Finding the space that is conducive and that is affordable and that meets certain
- 38:40parameters, that is far more difficult than anybody gives credit to, far more difficult.
- 38:47And we found it and we think we found it. And then we moved on from there.
- 38:53So understanding the obstacles that are in the way ahead of time is very important.
- 39:01We expected there's resistance and we expected it.
- 39:06So we had contingencies prepared for that resistance.
- 39:10And we think that those are very reasonable and workable contingencies.
- 39:16So once you understand that your best case dream, it's not that it's undoable
- 39:21because if you've got money, if you've got access to money, you can probably do it, right?
- 39:25But if you're a regular working class dude, you got to realize that,
- 39:29okay, there's going to be compromise somewhere.
- 39:33Finding the land is going to be tough. There's going to be compromise.
- 39:37Then there's zoning and things. It's going to be a compromise.
- 39:40And then scraping together the funding.
- 39:43Yeah, nobody wants that investor who thinks he can come out and run your show, right?
- 39:48Show up with a bunch of champagne and machine guns and gun bunnies and think
- 39:53he's going to do whatever he wants out there.
- 39:57So you don't want that, right? So in that case, you would have to reject that
- 40:01money because it would come with conditions that you ain't willing to bend to. Yeah.
- 40:07Got to deal with opposition from other people. So it's compromises,
- 40:11and it's compromise upon compromise.
- 40:14And then your perfect vision meets the real world, right?
- 40:17And then it comes down to what's the most likely to succeed plan?
- 40:24What's the most likely to succeed path forward?
- 40:28And however passionate you are about your plan and your project and your goals,
- 40:35The planning has to be dispassionate.
- 40:38I'll say that again. You can be passionate about your project,
- 40:42but the planning has to remain dispassionate because you have to be able to
- 40:47assess and analyze the potential problems
- 40:52and create the contingency plans objectively and don't have a bias,
- 41:00a success bias, And don't think that just because you have this really awesome
- 41:05plan that it's just, boom,
- 41:07everybody's going to love it.
- 41:11So be objective.
- 41:14Maintain some balance there. You've heard me say that before,
- 41:18balance. That's in all things.
- 41:22One of the good things I learned in Special Forces, well, one of the things
- 41:27Special Forces is known for is what? It's meticulous planning, right?
- 41:34For meticulous planning. And if you haven't heard the acronym PACE plan,
- 41:41P-A-C-E, I'm going to share it with you because I use it for all my business planning.
- 41:46You got to have a primary plan, an alternate plan, a contingency plan, and an emergency plan.
- 41:56And when you're doing planning for like a combat operation, or even a campaign
- 42:02like a stretched out thing, your communications has a pace plan.
- 42:08Your medical plan, there's a pace plan. Your transportation has a pace plan.
- 42:14Your infill and exfill pace plan.
- 42:18Yeah, you have those things stacked up and ready to roll. and that's good stuff.
- 42:26Now, most people will do a plan A and plan B, but they don't consider the possibility
- 42:32or even likelihood that there's going to be a plan C or plan E.
- 42:35So I like it. It's pretty good. Pace plan. You guys should consider using that.
- 42:40Now, you don't always have four options on a thing, right? For sure.
- 42:45Sometimes it's just a primary alternate. But why not play that out as far as you can?
- 42:53All right. Man, I'm getting on and on. I'm wrapped up in this stuff, right?
- 42:59So we're left with our most likely to succeed plan. If you...
- 43:05Honest with yourself, and the thing that you put on paper is a thing that you
- 43:10can be happy with, even your most likely to succeed plan. Like, not perfect.
- 43:15This is not even close to what I wanted, but I can live with this most likely to succeed plan.
- 43:23And you got to do a lot of math on that too, folks. A lot of math.
- 43:26That it will be viable financially. That you can make money on it.
- 43:32Because as much as I love doing charity work, if you're in business,
- 43:38you're in business to make money. You have to make a living.
- 43:40And for me, I'm in business to leave a legacy for my kids and grandkids and so on.
- 43:47So it has to be able to, to make a living, has to make money.
- 43:53So yeah, be honest with yourself, understand that obstacles and challenges arise.
- 44:00Does your alternate contingency and emergency plan, can you live with that?
- 44:06Or do you need to just put the whole thing on pause and wait it out?
- 44:12It's hard to say, right? It's all very, very situation dependent.
- 44:18So that leads us to Seneca, another stoic, right? And I love him.
- 44:24Difficulty strengthen the mind as labor
- 44:26does the body yeah yeah the more challenges you're faced with the more firsthand
- 44:33problem solving you get to do and that's just like practicing man that's that's
- 44:39just like practice yeah it's just a workout it's a way to build a stronger business.
- 44:46I talked a lot about my business, right?
- 44:49And how to do it. And my business, I would say in the scope of starting a business
- 44:54is pretty easy as it is right now as my range in my front yard. Yep.
- 45:01$85,000 into my business. That's what I've, that's how I started it with a,
- 45:08with a small Well, went alone.
- 45:10And I got a fleet of of of firearms and I got earth movers and I got a building
- 45:18and I bought a bunch of target stands and went to work and and and went to work.
- 45:26And I would say that's relatively low overhead in the scope of businesses as far as business goes.
- 45:33I got to imagine a restaurant with all the kitchen equipment and tables and
- 45:39decorations and all that.
- 45:40I got to imagine something like that's way more than $85,000.
- 45:44A gym, I got to imagine all that equipment, even on lease.
- 45:48I mean, if you've got a sizable gym, I got to imagine $85,000 just scratches the surface.
- 45:55So the good thing about my business is that
- 45:59there is relatively low overhead until you
- 46:02get ready for the big plan right so that that the next phase of this is is not
- 46:09going to be 85 000 i can tell you that you but my business is is i would say
- 46:17pretty easy because what i you know i can travel i can go to someone's.
- 46:23Go to someone's home range and do a private course with them on their home range.
- 46:28And when I say home range, I mean whatever local range they have near them and
- 46:33do a one-on-one private session.
- 46:35And I pay a fee to the range and then the customer pays me and there we go.
- 46:40So you can piggyback onto other places and that's pretty good.
- 46:45But up here, living where we live now, that's not a practical way forward.
- 46:53So all this to get to what I'm getting to is that you have to,
- 46:59well, you got to stick with it, for one.
- 47:02If you've made it a priority, which it has been a priority in my life,
- 47:07if you make your business a priority, then you have to do things to support that priority, right?
- 47:15And you have to stick with it. One of my favorite Bible verses,
- 47:18and I have the book and verse tattooed on my arm, is James 1.12.
- 47:26And for all you Christians out there, I'll let you take a minute to just say it in your head.
- 47:30Yeah. And for all you non-Christians out there, James 1.12 says,
- 47:36Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial.
- 47:39When he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised
- 47:44to those who love him. Yeah.
- 47:46You have to know that, I mean, me and Nathan talked about this on the All In
- 47:53episode, I think, which was our, I think was our last episode.
- 47:59Do you feel like you have clear guidance from God? And I think yes is the answer
- 48:04for me. How does it affect your family?
- 48:07How does it affect you? And then how does it affect the community around you?
- 48:13And I think I have positive answers for all four of those things. Yep, I think I do.
- 48:20Perseverance. Persevere under trial. Marcus Aurelius said that you have power
- 48:25over your mind, not outside events.
- 48:28Realize this and you'll find strength.
- 48:31So even if this does not go my way, I'm not going to take it personally.
- 48:37It's going to be an obstacle that must be overcome. That is all.
- 48:41And then I'll find a way to drive on.
- 48:46But I'm not going to let emotions cloud my judgment. I'm not going to let emotions
- 48:52cloud my analysis of the project or my business operating procedures.
- 48:58I'm not going to let emotion do any of those things.
- 49:02And by maintaining an objective perspective, I'm going to be able to stay in
- 49:06the fight and hold some good footing, I hope.
- 49:10Yeah, expect the obstacles. Have your contingency plans ready.
- 49:15And then persevere. Drive on. Keep going. Keep grinding.
- 49:20Yeah, that's where I'm going to leave it, right? Persevere, folks.
- 49:25There was a line in the movie, The Outlaw Josie Wells, Chief Dan George,
- 49:30and he was talking to Josie, and he says that one of the senators was talking to his tribe.
- 49:38And he said, no, it was Abraham Lincoln was talking to his tribe.
- 49:41And he said, endeavor to persevere.
- 49:45Yeah, that's it, people. I will endeavor to persevere. and you should too.
- 49:53That's what I want to talk about, folks. I want to talk about hard things in
- 49:57life. Don't expect hard things not to be hard. Yep.
- 50:01Understand what you're getting into and go in with a toughness,
- 50:06right? Go in with a certain toughness about it.
- 50:09An emotional toughness anyway. Not necessarily outward, right?
- 50:14Depends on what you're doing.
- 50:15So I hope you enjoyed that one, folks. I don't know. This is probably not one of my better episodes.
- 50:22But i felt like talking about it let's see what's coming what's coming next
- 50:27what's coming next what's coming next we have a pistol workshop i don't have
- 50:31this in front of me we have a pistol workshop,
- 50:33i think on january 24th and well that might be filled up if you try to sign
- 50:39up and it says sold out i apologize to you we try to keep our workshops kind
- 50:45of small so that people can get the most out of them.
- 50:49And then all private lessons. Right now, we're scheduling through the third
- 50:53week, in the third week of January, into the fourth week of January.
- 50:58And I may or may not be around for the first week or so of February.
- 51:04But then I'm going to be out of town for a good while. Well,
- 51:07not a good while, a month.
- 51:09And then I'll be back in the month of March. so for those of my regular clients
- 51:14you still can reach out to me to schedule things and for those of you who are not.
- 51:23Running a workshop when I get back in March, and we'll be running a match,
- 51:26which is going to be the liberty or death match to commemorate Patrick Henry's
- 51:32speech, give me liberty or give me death.
- 51:37Yep. So that's going to be in March. And let's see what else.
- 51:42TwoTeamGuys.com, check it
- 51:43out. See what we offer on there. Those are by appointment class courses.
- 51:49You need four people or more to schedule a
- 51:52course and then we can drive on from there
- 51:55and other than that then we have the
- 51:58help a homie fund that's give send go.com backslash help a homie fund and that
- 52:05is a a small way grassroots way for me to help people in need within within
- 52:14my reach now i have a limited reach,
- 52:17but believe me, there's plenty of folks who need help within my reach,
- 52:20and that is a way for me to help them.
- 52:24So that's going to become more formalized as we go.
- 52:27But meanwhile, your dollars are helping people to get some food and pay some
- 52:33bills and feed their babies.
- 52:36All right, so keep that in mind if you're a charitable person.
- 52:41Other than that, folks, please go to siloftc.com that's the website for our our future range and.
- 52:52If the location changes, that's still the website for our future range.
- 52:56But if you go to that website, there's a page on there now that says range progress.
- 53:03And if you would go on to that and read my open letter on there and share that
- 53:10open letter, if you will, and most especially if you're a Floyd County, Georgia resident,
- 53:14it would be very beneficial for us if you would, you know, Write a little letter
- 53:19to the commissioners to voice your support, not to bash on anyone,
- 53:24not to complain about government overreach or any dirty dealings or any corruption or any of that stuff.
- 53:35It is simply for you to voice your support for the Silo Firearms Training Complex
- 53:42and the current plan as it is. So read that letter.
- 53:46That'll help you a little bit and write a letter on our behalf.
- 53:52We would greatly appreciate it. And that's it.
- 53:56Our hearing is 27 January at 6 p.m.
- 54:02Location to be determined. I have the location, but I don't know it off the top of my head.
- 54:06And any Floyd County citizens who are interested in supporting and going to
- 54:12that hearing, you are more than welcome to come to it.
- 54:14I'm not exactly sure how that agenda goes, and I'm not sure how much time I'll
- 54:19have to speak or anyone else, but that's the final hearing.
- 54:24Like I said, if you're a praying person, please pray for it.
- 54:28If you're a savage heathen, please do a little dance around the fire and do
- 54:34some incense or something.
- 54:35And let's try to get this thing done so that we can start helping people help themselves.
- 54:42Good people, thank you so much for listening. I drug on about this when I was
- 54:46a little preachy, I guess.
- 54:47Take care and stay tuned. Love you guys. Love you guys.