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The Week That Was - April 8th 2022 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: And of course it is Friday morning. You can probably
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  Speaker 1: already hear them. KEYSI is starting to chatter away over there.
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  Speaker 1: Kiesi Epuric, the Independent Member for god A, Good morning
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  Speaker 1: to you.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, good morning.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just trying to work out what a liberal Democrat
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  Speaker 3: is very confusing.
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  Speaker 2: More about right in between.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not really sure people talk.
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  Speaker 4: More about that.
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  Speaker 1: Very shortly we have got the Health Minister, Natasha Files here,
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  Speaker 1: Good morning to you.
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  Speaker 5: Keeping us on our toes. We'll be going around the
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  Speaker 5: room in a different hodor morning.
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  Speaker 1: Every mix things up this morning. Matt Cunningham from Sky News,
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  Speaker 1: Good morning to you. And Jared Mainly, the Deputy Opposition
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  Speaker 1: Leader and also the Member for Nelson, Good.
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  Speaker 6: Morning, the best for last.
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  Speaker 4: Look out me every week.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, it's been a very busy week.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I say that every week. But there
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  Speaker 1: is a lot on the agenda this morning, and I
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  Speaker 1: want to study maguireball.
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  Speaker 2: What a big week it's been in politics?
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  Speaker 1: Well, what a big week it's been for backflips, I
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  Speaker 1: guess you might say. Because people in the Northern Territory
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  Speaker 1: will no longer need to prove that they're fully vaccinated
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  Speaker 1: to order a beer at the pub or enter a
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  Speaker 1: license venue. We know that we were talking about the
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  Speaker 1: fact last week that you could go into a sporting
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  Speaker 1: venue but not order a beer. But now it seems
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  Speaker 1: that you can go and order a beer without a
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  Speaker 1: vaccine passport. Of course, the Northern Territory government. I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: that that, yeah, you guys made the decision to get
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  Speaker 1: rid of the vaccine passes to enter those licensed premises.
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  Speaker 1: Is it based on health advice, Minister, Yes, because it
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  Speaker 1: sort of seems like it's not when one week we're saying,
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  Speaker 1: hang on a second, you can go into those those
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  Speaker 1: different sporting events or those.
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  Speaker 2: Larger events and you can get a pie, but you
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  Speaker 2: can't get a beer.
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  Speaker 1: So it's got a lot of people questioning whether it
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  Speaker 1: is based on health advice or whether it's more a
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  Speaker 1: political decision.
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  Speaker 7: Always ask what changed in two weeks? What health advice
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  Speaker 7: changed into.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a sek so Canny.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of the CHOW directions are intertwined with each other.
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  Speaker 5: So in terms of, you know, moving from that pandemic
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  Speaker 5: to an endemic, the CHOW has been reviewing directions making
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  Speaker 5: sure that they are proportionate. I think that's important that
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  Speaker 5: there is that we are following health advice, but it's
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  Speaker 5: in proportion to the risk in the community. And so
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  Speaker 5: the decision was made earlier this week that we could
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  Speaker 5: remove that vaccine pass for licensed venues.
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  Speaker 1: So why is it not okay for somebody who is
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  Speaker 1: serving you to so sorry, why is it not okay
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  Speaker 1: for somebody who is buying a bit to not be vaccinated,
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  Speaker 1: But if they're serving you, they have to be vaccinated.
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  Speaker 5: So in terms of the risk, and that's where it
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  Speaker 5: comes into being proportionate. There is occupations that have you know,
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  Speaker 5: face to face contact, they work with vulnerable people and
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  Speaker 5: so the direction is still in place to ensure that
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  Speaker 5: those employment occupations have the mandatory vaccine requirement Katie.
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  Speaker 4: But these are the things that.
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  Speaker 5: Are looked at by the Chief Health Officer as that
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  Speaker 5: changing advice around COVID continues.
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  Speaker 8: But isn't that I mean I have felt fairly vulnerable
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  Speaker 8: at the pub sometimes will be after a few too
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  Speaker 8: many gin and tonics. But so anything to do with
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  Speaker 8: COVID isn't vulnerable age care settings or healthcare as opposed
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  Speaker 8: to so of someone working on in the bar.
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  Speaker 5: So in terms of bars and clubs, those higher risk
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  Speaker 5: settings where some and we just had a little laugh
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  Speaker 5: about it there, But some of the behaviors do you
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  Speaker 5: change once you put people in those settings. So Katie,
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  Speaker 5: we're continually monitoring them. That chief Health officer gets the
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  Speaker 5: advice nationally, looks at the territory context and makes these decisions.
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  Speaker 5: And I point to the fact that, you know, we've
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  Speaker 5: kept the territory pretty open and safe to date and
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  Speaker 5: we're continually monitoring.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's one of those things though, that right
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  Speaker 1: now there are like I always thought the whole reason
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  Speaker 1: for the vaccine mandate was to really drive those numbers
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  Speaker 1: up and tried to get the rates as high as
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  Speaker 1: they possibly could be. I know that when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to the double dose, those rates are pretty high. When
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  Speaker 1: it comes to the booster shop, maybe not as good
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  Speaker 1: as as what the health authorities might like. But I
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  Speaker 1: sort of feel like we're in a situation right now
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  Speaker 1: around the Northern Territory that those who want to be
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  Speaker 1: vaccinated are vaccinated. Those who aren't going to get vaccinated,
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  Speaker 1: well probably aren't going to go and do it no
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  Speaker 1: matter what the rules are. So should we allow them
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  Speaker 1: to go back to work at this point. I know
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  Speaker 1: in South Australia they've made some changes.
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  Speaker 7: Now, Katie, Katie, it's time to put this behind us.
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  Speaker 7: We need to review the health advice. And I know
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  Speaker 7: that the COLP made amendment to try and get the
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  Speaker 7: health advice to come out every three months because the
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  Speaker 7: territories and I want to see this as well as territories.
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  Speaker 7: What is the health advice? What are these information that
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  Speaker 7: the CHOW makes these reports on. It seems to change
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  Speaker 7: so regularly. I think there's been what thirty or forty
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  Speaker 7: show directions just this year alone, So what is information
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  Speaker 7: that the chow uses to make these decisions? Because ultimately
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  Speaker 7: the last thing now is this mandate. It's time to
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  Speaker 7: review that health advice to work out. Can we just
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  Speaker 7: get on with our lives, get people back to work,
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  Speaker 7: start paying for the bread and the milk and move on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I'm just reading an article.
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  Speaker 1: This is from South Australia, so on the ABC online
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  Speaker 1: in South Australia and this was towards the end of
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  Speaker 1: last month.
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  Speaker 2: I know the unvaccinated teachers.
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  Speaker 1: And school staff in South Australia, as well as public
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  Speaker 1: transport workers and taxi and ride share drivers are going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to return to work or they are now.
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  Speaker 1: So those vaccine mandates on workers in school and passenger
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  Speaker 1: transport sectors lifted back in March by the look of it,
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  Speaker 1: So in other states they're sort of veering away from
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  Speaker 1: those vaccine mandates now. Look like I say, I'm triple vaccinated.
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  Speaker 1: It makes it's neither here nor there to me. But
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  Speaker 1: I know for a lot of people that are unvaccinated
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  Speaker 1: or are unsure about getting that third vaccination, they are
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  Speaker 1: wondering why they still.
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  Speaker 2: Need to go ahead with it.
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  Speaker 1: If you've got a situation where people with COVID can
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  Speaker 1: drop the kids off to school and all that kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuff.
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  Speaker 8: I reckon You've seen a couple of things, haven't you.
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  Speaker 8: Look at that South Australian story. There's two key things
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  Speaker 8: I'd take out of that. One is that the politics
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  Speaker 8: of this are changing. That's a labor government, a new
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  Speaker 8: labor government in South Australia that is taking that approach,
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  Speaker 8: that less cautious approach. And it comes after the Liberal
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  Speaker 8: government in South Australia that had been very heavy handed
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  Speaker 8: with its pandemic response got unceremoniously booted out of office.
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  Speaker 8: A couple of weeks ago. The other thing that this
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  Speaker 8: has been an issue right the way through the pandemic
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  Speaker 8: is that and this is what confuses people. You know,
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  Speaker 8: we've just been told that our chief health officer makes
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  Speaker 8: the decision based on the national health advice that then
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  Speaker 8: comes back to the states, and throughout this pandemic, we're
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  Speaker 8: just getting completely contrasting decisions in different states and territories
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  Speaker 8: that is apparently based on the same health advice. And
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  Speaker 8: that's why I think Jared's point about seeing the health
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  Speaker 8: advice is important. I think we need some clarity about
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  Speaker 8: exactly what the health advice is, both at a federal
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  Speaker 8: level and then at a territory level.
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  Speaker 7: Because the health advice is out there and people can
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  Speaker 7: read it for themselves, maybe they can make an informed decision.
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  Speaker 7: But right now, no one can make an informed because
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  Speaker 7: they haven't seen the advice. And if the advice is there,
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  Speaker 7: like the chow who says and the minister says, is there, well,
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  Speaker 7: what have you got to hide? What's open and transparent
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  Speaker 7: government given out the people make their own decision and
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  Speaker 7: then they can be informed. And maybe you wouldn't get
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  Speaker 7: this back later because people could see their health advice
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  Speaker 7: or is it because the health device isn't there and
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  Speaker 7: this is just a purely political thing or a distraction
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  Speaker 7: thing because the Labor government don't want ralph or crime
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  Speaker 7: or domestic violence onto the front page of the paper
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  Speaker 7: and they want the good news we keep you saved
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  Speaker 7: with save the World COVID story.
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  Speaker 1: Well, on the text line this morning, somebody has just
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  Speaker 1: messaged through and said regarding the removal of the requirements
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  Speaker 1: for the vaccine certificate, if all jurisdictions are acting on
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  Speaker 1: the same worldwide medical advice, why then, why are there
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  Speaker 1: different requirements for states and territories and filesy I guess
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  Speaker 1: that that is what is.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's what a lot of people are wondering
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  Speaker 2: at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Why have we got one set of rules here in
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  Speaker 1: the territory that are different to other locations.
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  Speaker 5: So I think there was an important point that the
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  Speaker 5: Chief Health Officer participates in the national meetings h PBC
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  Speaker 5: A TARGI he also, in terms of the territory's context
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  Speaker 5: has to overlay the situation here in the territory in
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  Speaker 5: making these decisions, and they're not easy decisions to make.
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  Speaker 5: In terms of the vaccine. We know that if you've
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  Speaker 5: had three doses of the vaccine, you're eighty eight percent
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  Speaker 5: less likely to end up having a severe illness or
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  Speaker 5: in hospital from the Omicron variant. It's really important with
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  Speaker 5: Omicron that people understand that third dose is important. So
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  Speaker 5: we'll continue to provide the vaccine, will continue to listen
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  Speaker 5: to that health advice, and we're not afraid to make
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  Speaker 5: the tough decisions around keeping people safe.
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  Speaker 8: Do you have what's the data on what impact having
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  Speaker 8: the second dose or the third dose has on the
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  Speaker 8: actual transmission.
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  Speaker 6: Of the virus.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't have that in front of me, but
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  Speaker 5: I know that with the third dose it's important for
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  Speaker 5: the Omicron variant. And we also need to make sure that,
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  Speaker 5: particularly as we head to the winter season, that we
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  Speaker 5: have that latest advice around. And you saw the advice
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  Speaker 5: change for people age sixty five and above, Indigenous people
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  Speaker 5: and those with immunocompromised need a fourth dose to protect them.
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  Speaker 5: So this information does change. We're seeing so we're seeing
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  Speaker 5: the BA two variant, which is more transmissible. To come
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  Speaker 5: back to your point, Matt, and there's also a potential
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  Speaker 5: new variant which is a merger of the two coming
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  Speaker 5: out of this virus.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big thing though at the moment, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Like I guess a lot of people to begin with,
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  Speaker 1: we're happy enough to get the vaccine because they thought,
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  Speaker 1: all right, well, it can stop the spread, it'll stop
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  Speaker 1: it from spreading sort of far and wide.
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  Speaker 2: But then I don't know about you guys.
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  Speaker 1: You know, most of us this room have had COVID
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  Speaker 1: and I caught it from someone who was vaccinated. So
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's where it's getting more difficult.
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  Speaker 5: Severity of that illness, and that's where that figure is important,
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  Speaker 5: around the severity of the illness and the need for hospitalization.
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  Speaker 5: And that's why we're cautiously watching our hospitalization. So we've
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  Speaker 5: seen an increase this week in the numbers. The hospitalizations
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  Speaker 5: are slightly up, So we're watching that very closely.
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  Speaker 8: And that's where I think. I mean, you know, I've
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  Speaker 8: had three jobs. I'd be happy to get ten if
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  Speaker 8: that's what's required and it's going to help. I'm not
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  Speaker 8: afraid of needles. But what I think is confusing people
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  Speaker 8: now is that, you know, when those mandates were put
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  Speaker 8: in place, we were being told and it appeared to
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  Speaker 8: be a consensus view that the vaccine was going to
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  Speaker 8: stop the spread of the virus, and it appears that
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  Speaker 8: it hasn't been particularly effective in doing that now. So
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  Speaker 8: then I wonder whether you know, if you don't want
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  Speaker 8: to get vaccinated, you are putting yourself a greater re
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  Speaker 8: becoming seriously ill or dying from the virus. But that
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  Speaker 8: that then becomes a matter of being your choice, right.
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  Speaker 4: Because you end up in our hospital system and we
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  Speaker 4: all bear the brunt of it.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I don't think our hospital systems overwhelmed at the moment.
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  Speaker 8: And then you've got a very small, small percentage of
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  Speaker 8: people who are not vaccinated. I think is the reason
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  Speaker 8: that we're mandating this now, not because we're not trying
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  Speaker 8: to stop the spread anymore, you know, it's a different reason,
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  Speaker 8: and so I just wonder what that's I.
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  Speaker 6: Think I agree with the UK.
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  Speaker 7: I think people out there now who've been vaccinated, are
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  Speaker 7: you going to get back to it? If you're not
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  Speaker 7: vaccinated by now, you're not going to get it no matter.
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  Speaker 6: What the rules are.
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  Speaker 7: So and there are, like the minister pointed out that
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  Speaker 7: there's some people who are older people who see people
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  Speaker 7: who are going to need it, and no matter what
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  Speaker 7: virus or what injection, you get there's always some people
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  Speaker 7: who are going to need it, but majority of people
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  Speaker 7: out there now I just need food and sheldre them,
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  Speaker 7: pay the mortgage, pay the rent, and they want to
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  Speaker 7: get to work.
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  Speaker 6: And we've got staff shortages right across the board.
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  Speaker 2: We have sparke an x extensively.
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  Speaker 6: You're right about what's the.
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  Speaker 7: Difference between buying and selling, having a beer, and when
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  Speaker 7: you're vaccinated or not, and when it comes down to
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  Speaker 7: paying the rent and paying the mortgage and looking after
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  Speaker 7: your kids.
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  Speaker 3: I think also what's happening in Kadie that I've noticed
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  Speaker 3: is there's now there's are now a pushback from people
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  Speaker 3: in the hospitality industry. Tourism maybe, but hospitality in particular,
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  Speaker 3: because I've been at various places and know the owners
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  Speaker 3: of restaurants and they've said their staff are fed up, like,
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  Speaker 3: we did what you told us to do. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we were careful, we got our vaccination, we've got the
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  Speaker 3: got the two doses, but they're very reluctant now to
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  Speaker 3: get the third because they may or may not have
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  Speaker 3: had the virus. But they're saying why because what Matt said,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you said it to stop the spread. It
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  Speaker 3: hasn't stopped the spread. All it's doing is impacting on
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  Speaker 3: the business and the bottom line, so they's starting to
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  Speaker 3: be quite a bit of a pushback from business.
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  Speaker 1: I think that this is where people do want to
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  Speaker 1: see that health advice. This is where I think it
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  Speaker 1: is important that legislation that the COLP has put for,
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  Speaker 1: because I think that people do want to see that
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  Speaker 1: health advice. They want to be able to understand it
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more and then make those decisions themselves.
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  Speaker 1: But one decision which has been made this week is
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  Speaker 1: that se Glenty is being canceled. After considering financial and
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  Speaker 1: operational factors, it has been determined that the Glente cannot
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  Speaker 1: be successfully held in twenty twenty two, whilst complying with
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  Speaker 1: the directions of the show. Therefore, it is with great
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  Speaker 1: regret they said to me on the show yesterday that
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  Speaker 1: they were announcing that the Glenty will not go ahead
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  Speaker 1: in its current form for this year. They are going
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  Speaker 1: to be hosting other Greek events.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I did ask Nick Paneerus on the show yesterday whether
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  Speaker 1: it was a situation that it wasn't able to go
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  Speaker 1: ahead due to those vaccine mandates and volunteers potentially not
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  Speaker 1: wanting to or not being vaccinated, not wanting.
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  Speaker 2: To get vaccinated, and not being able to volunteer.
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  Speaker 1: He was adamant that it was more of a logistical
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  Speaker 1: and supply chain issue when it comes to food and
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  Speaker 1: those kind of issues. But either way it is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a massive loss.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, can I just say one thing, Just go back
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  Speaker 7: to the mandate quickly. The Doughy Intitute report never ever
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  Speaker 7: said there should one hundred percent vaccinated. It was between
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  Speaker 7: eighty and ninety. We're or at ninety three, so we're
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  Speaker 7: above what the dough reports are and is what a
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  Speaker 7: lot of the health people use as as a principal
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  Speaker 7: report in relation to the vaccines.
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  Speaker 5: But in terms of the omicron and the third dose,
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  Speaker 5: we're at about sixty percent, and we know that that
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  Speaker 5: third dose is vital to reduce those hospitalizations.
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  Speaker 6: And you see an over representation. We're ninety five now,
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  Speaker 6: I think, but you see that was dealing with moving on.
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  Speaker 5: With you've got an overrepresentation of people who are unvaccinated
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  Speaker 5: in hospital because there are small.
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  Speaker 7: Body to give issues in the hospital. Who's the vaccine,
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  Speaker 7: who's not? Where's the information?
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  Speaker 6: Stop coming?
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  Speaker 4: The toes have spoken about that, but it's it's really important.
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  Speaker 6: For people back to territory to be able to make
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  Speaker 6: an informed decision.
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  Speaker 4: We all want to step away from COVID.
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  Speaker 5: We all want it to go back to normal, but
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  Speaker 5: unfortunately there's been many twists and turns of COVID. We're
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  Speaker 5: seeing the omicrome. We're seeing a merger of those two.
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  Speaker 5: We hope that we see as.
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  Speaker 4: Our community is immunized.
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  Speaker 5: And we also have had people with COVID that we
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  Speaker 5: it becomes a less severe illness on us. But right
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  Speaker 5: now we have to make sure we manage our hospital system.
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  Speaker 6: Many twists in turns of labor.
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  Speaker 7: Government trying to keep this on the front page is
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  Speaker 7: a distraction against crime and health and all those things.
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  Speaker 6: We don't worry.
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  Speaker 1: We still talk about all those things in here Terarin
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  Speaker 1: because they are important to a lot of Territorians. We
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  Speaker 1: all understand that I'm going back to the glenty though
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  Speaker 1: it is going to be a loss of course to
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  Speaker 1: the northern territories well to our festival scene for the
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  Speaker 1: here will tourism.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not doubting what the gentleman has to say,
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  Speaker 3: but this festival is a major festival and a function
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  Speaker 3: in the territory. But twelve months between festival and festival
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  Speaker 3: and they've got logistical issues of getting their product here.
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  Speaker 3: I just find it really unusual. I mean, the supply chains, yes,
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: have been disrupted, but stuff is flowing pretty easily and
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: readily in and out of the territory. So I just
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not questioning the gentleman's integrity honesty at all, but
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: I just wont if there's something else that play here,
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: because they do enormous amount of volunteers. I just associated
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: with that function.
• 14:43
  Speaker 6: That they don't want to put on a function it's
• 14:44
  Speaker 6: not to its high standard.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: I think it's the hues and food and.
• 14:50
  Speaker 7: I love octopus and all that stuff, So I think
• 14:52
  Speaker 7: that if they want to put on they want to
• 14:54
  Speaker 7: make sure that their product is great and good.
• 14:57
  Speaker 6: Their decision to make, and I support them.
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: Will work with the organizers to understand their plans for
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: the event, and we'll continue to support it. Understanding is
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: it's the quantities and they just couldn't be assured by
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: their supplies that they would get that. But these are
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: probably questions better.
• 15:09
  Speaker 8: You need to be vaccinated to volunteer at an event
• 15:11
  Speaker 8: like that, you do.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: Yes, you do, yeah, And you have to be vaccinated
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: to be on a school council, even though you're not
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: in close contact with vulnerable people. So even the messages
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: coming out from Department of Education have not been clear
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: to school boards and school I think this is.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: Where again it gets confusing, because obviously you can't be
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: on like you've just said, they're kesier on a school
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: board or a school council. But you can drop the
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: kids into school or you can drop the kids off
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: to school when you COVID positive. And I think that
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: that's where we've got a lot of people who are
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: feeling quite confused at the moment or just wondering, you know,
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: why some of these decisions are being made. So Katie,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: in terms of that, the understanding is if you are
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: dropping your children at school, you know you're at the school,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: but if you're on a school counsel, you're more involved,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: like there's more meetings at the school, you've got potentially
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: more interactions. So it's based on that level of risk
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: and the KEEF Health Officer believes that that's appropriate at
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: this present time in terms of the vaccine mandates. He
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: looks at those occupations and makes decisions around the evidence
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: that's presented before him, and we're not saying, you know,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: vaccine mandates will be one of the last measures to go,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: but we don't know when that will be.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: Those Chow directions will change.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: But so at this point in time, no matter what,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: April twenty two is the date that you've got to
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: have your third booster and if you don't, you can't
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: go to work, correct, Katie, all right, we're going to
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: take a very short break. You are listening to Mix
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: one oh four nine's three sixty. It is the week
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: that I was get in the studio this morning. Jared Maylee,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham, Keesi Epirican, Nattasha Files.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Plenty of messages coming through on the tech sign filesy.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: I might just ask you this one, how many patients
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: in hospital are vaccinated unvaccinated? If there was no answer,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: maybe more people would want to get vaccinated to us
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: that person.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: Katie, I don't have the figures in front of me.
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: We have provided these before, but it's important when you
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: look at those figures that you even though it might
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: seem that there's people in there that have vaccinated or
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: partially vaccinated, the percentage of our community not vaccinated is
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: quite low and they're certainly overrepresented, but I'd be happy
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: to get some starts through.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: The shows have talked through this before.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: That'd be good if we could. Hey, another one that's
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: just come through. Hello, all, why there's so many nurses
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: at Howard Springs still, ask greg in Roseberry.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: So, Katie, we spoke about this earlier in the week,
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: so I won't go back over it. But as I said,
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: we've got the facility reduced down. We had it operating
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: in pods of two hundred. Internally, we do have and
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: you guys gave me a hard time. I think it
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: was last week or the week before, but the numbers
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: are fluctuating in there about it give you about a
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: dozen or less. But in terms of that facility, we've
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: got the contractual arrangement through to June thirty. We were
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: expecting some more international repatriation flights. That hasn't happened so far,
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: but we are certainly making sure that the staff there
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: can equally we've got the minimum staff required, but we
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: do need to sometimes take people in without much notice,
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: but equally that they're all offered opportunities across NTG as
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: we transition out of that facility at the end of June.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Alright, it's ontainly been an interesting week. We know this
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: morning the Senator Sam McMahon is set to join the
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Liberal Democrats.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Matt, you broke this story yesterday.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Sky News understands that Senator McMahon's going to announce this
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: morning at about ten thirty. I think that she'll stand
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: for the party in the Upper House election. Well ten thirty,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I think it's happening. She's going to come on the
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: show just after eleven o'clock. Let's see only reason I know.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: What did you find out about yesterday? What's the go here?
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: Well, this has been a rumor that's been floating around
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: for quite a while obviously, So anyway, I did Texas
• 18:33
  Speaker 8: senator and she said there'd been an announcement made today,
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: and I spoke to a few other sources who confirmed that, Yeah,
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: she will be joining the Liberal Democrats. Of course, that's
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: the party of Campbell Newman, the former allenp premier from Queensland.
• 18:48
  Speaker 8: And my understanding is that Campbell Newman will be in
• 18:50
  Speaker 8: the top end next week as well. So it's going
• 18:53
  Speaker 8: to be an interesting election. I think, Katie. When it
• 18:55
  Speaker 8: comes to some of these minor parties, and when it
• 18:58
  Speaker 8: comes to minor parties like the Liberal Democrats and Palmer United,
• 19:02
  Speaker 8: I think they're going to run a pretty hard campaign
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: on some of the issues we've been talking about, in
• 19:06
  Speaker 8: particular these vaccination issues and you know, whether we should
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: have vaccine mandates and the like. Now, does that mean
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: that they're going to have a realistic chance of winning
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: you know, a few seats here and there. I don't know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 8: but there's certainly I would say, you know, about sort
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: of five ish percent of the population who are pretty
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: strong in their opinions on this, and so yeah, it's
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: going to make for an interesting dynamic at the least.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: What's it mean? So where do we know?
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, you know, like I know that her former or
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: her electoral officer is there a current electoral officer, Kylie Binani.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: That's right, So she's going to be running as well.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: So how like, how does it work independent or.
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: Well, she's she's joining the Lib Dems today as well
• 19:47
  Speaker 8: as understanding, so they're both obviously former CLP members.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: That's what's That's what it's going to do. Yeah, why
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: the Senate folk goes? We know, roughly half the population
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: vote labor, our vote Conservatives roughly, and you'll never get
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: two people up from the same party because that will
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: mean one party has to get about sixty percent of
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: the primary vote, and.
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: That only happens in Goid so we all vote one way.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: The right way.
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: There.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: To break the name, you should see the other blog.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: He's in a full body but it's going to clearly
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: it's going to take away per votes from the CLPS candidate.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Whether the Senator McMahon as she's currently has enough publicity
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: profile in the big places like Tenant Creek, Alice Catherine
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: and Greater Dawa or darn Ruley, that's where we're in
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: lingiari no Senator, Sorry, sorry that I'm not sure. So
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: it depends how much money. If she's got a lot
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: of money and pumps a lot into a campaign and
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: gets that profile. I also think that just before you
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: jump in the because she has been clearly questioning Michael Gunner,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: the Chief Minister, and the vaccination landated and that does
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: resonate with a lot of people. So if that's going
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: to be one of her key issues, then she could
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: well get a lot of votes. All she's got to
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: do is finish ahead of just der Price and she's.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Under finish ahead of just cinder Price. It'll be interesting
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: to say, yeah.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: That doesn't have a high profile as much in the
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: top end, I think, as she is in the center
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: where Sam has a high profile. I think in the
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: top end. So I think it's an obviously clear Catherine
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: because it may not be obvious to people, but from
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: her time as a vet she is well well known.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Ye right in the Catherine regions and what do you
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: call it now, the Big Rivers region, So that is
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: obviously going to go in her favor. So it's like
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: you say, Matt, I'm going to check out the book
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: is to see what they say.
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: I think she'd be the underdog. I think that when
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: So when Sam McMahon first, I think toyed with this idea,
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: there was the prospect that the Country Liberal Party could
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: be deregistered at a federal level before the election. Now,
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: the part of the rules were changed last year. That
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: meant that you had needed fifteen hundred members to be
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: a party unless you had a member of Parliament. So
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: when Sam McMahon resigns, that meant that the colp's federal
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: party status was in question. Now the time is going
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: to run out for that to be for that to
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: take effect.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Before the sexual election.
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: If it had have taken effect, it would have meant
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: that just Enterprise and Teena McFarlane and Damian Ryan wouldn't
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: have been able to put Country Liberal Party on the
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: ballot paper. Now that could have been interesting if there
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: were Liberal Democrats running, because well, Kezier says, you know,
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: fifty percent to vote conservative and fifty per tend to
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: vote labor. That they're not as invested in all of
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: this as we are. They're not as interested, and they
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: just go in and they look for the word liberal
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: on the ballot paper because that's how they and their
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: family have always voted, and.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: That's the box they ticked.
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: Remember the CLPS, you know, we're the Therapy Party. We've
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: been here, we're independent. But you know who are they?
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: The Liberal Democrats?
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: What are they stand for? You know that sort of
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: su they stand?
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: What does this mean?
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: Like?
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Do you think that you've got a situation here where
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: you've got some disgruntled CELP members who are trying to
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: cause problems.
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: Well it's a matter for them what they do.
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: But the CELP we're strong, We've got some great candidates
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: and I think we're going to go well in the election.
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: You must be a bit worried that you've seen we've
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: seen in the last few weeks. We've seen Jed Hansen,
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: who was the vice president quit the party and he's
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: standing as an independent. Kyle Narni quit the party. She's
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: standing for the Liberal Democrats. Now we think Sam McMahon
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: as well. It's not a great situation sort of, you know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: six weeks out from a federal election.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Is it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, But the CELP has got to we're an independent
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: party where the Charity Party. We've got all your new
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: members coming in because all those press we've got, I've
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: had ten people who come and joined our break because
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: you don't.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: Even have federal representation. You're relying on some rules to save.
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: You, Jared.
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: But ultimately we're going to have federal if you know,
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: if the Senate gets up, of course, and it's up
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: to the territories who decide, and it's going to be
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: their choice to and they can either stick with the
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: Charitory Party, or they can go with the Campbell Newman's
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: Party from someone into state we don't know much about,
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: or they can go to Labor. It's really a matter
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: if the territory and I wish them and all those
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: people the best.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: It all seems a bit chaotic and dysfunctional.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: Jeff Coins and.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Kenny Vales works here on Saturdays now, and it sounds
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to resonate right now. Well, I tell you what, you
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: guys have had your own issues so Farzy, I think
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: that this is the thing. You have, these situations within
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: political parties, and to some degree, it's a whole lot
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: of naval gazing. You know, most people in the community
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: probably don't care a huge amount, but what they care
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: about is that they've got quality candidates who are running.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: And and I do wonder is that the situation for
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Solomon here where people are disgruntled because they actually don't
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: feel as though the candidate's up to that the COLP
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: has chosen is the best that they could have gone with.
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: We've got a solid process in relations into the to
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: pre selection and we've pre selected TEENA. I think it's
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: gonna and she's got my full support and she's going
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: to go hard. She's been outdoor knocking, she's been out
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: on the side of the road, She've been all sorts
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: of functions, and ultimately it shows that we've got a
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: good democratic society when you meet peoples working stand up,
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: because that's what we should We should have as many
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: people who can, who want to put their hand up
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: and go for it.
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: And reckons that the party was trying to get rid
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: of her as of last December, which I thought was interesting.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: In the CLP and left for lots of reasons. But
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: it happens in every party, you know, it happens in
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: every club, it happens in every sort of recreation.
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: The politics in the g for your football club.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Exactly, that's exactly. So why should political parties be any different?
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: You know, you get personality clashes, you get you get
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: a clash over direction, you get a clash over policy,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: and if people don't like it, well they leave. And
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: clearly that's what these two women have done. And you know,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I'm with Jojo. Good on them for having to go
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: because you know we always talk about or community wines
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: that it's not enough women in parliament, in politics, et cetera.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: So good on them.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Have a go.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: You know it's going to be interesting, like you said,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: but this it definitely has changed the minor parties down
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: South Fiona Pattern with her reason party has made huge
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: inroads in. I think she's new South Wales come to split, sure,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: but she's managed to get stuff through that parliament that
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't expect a small party person.
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: So there'll we have voices for candidate running Nightcliff for
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: the next territory election.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: They've got whether there's a role for them in our
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: pilot system. Well no, but it seems to be.
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: Remember the next question is, no matter who you vote for,
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: if you're going to vote for one of those minor parties,
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: you have to start thinking about where you're number two
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: votes going to go.
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: Because if you can.
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: Just pour a donkey boy and draw a picture if
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: you want to, it's a matter for you. But ultimately
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: you've put one, two, three, four, how many arts you
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: really need to start thinking about who's your second third.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: And where it's going to work for you. Guys with those.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: Preferences about anybody.
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: This is the problem for the CLP when you when
• 26:54
  Speaker 8: you have these other former party members and then runners
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: you know for a minor party or a or as
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: independence and when their conservatives is that that vote doesn't
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: necessarily flow back to the CLP because people don't follow
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: you know. The next you get some of that leakage.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: The next question is will the sealp'd be talking to
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: the Liberal Democrats about exchange of preferences.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I think they're going to have to, but I don't
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: know how well those conversations can go.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: We'll have to wait and see.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: We still don't even know whenmo is going to call
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: this election. Surely it's going to be in the next
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: couple of days.
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: Mate, were today with today.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Was the texts to be all right.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: We'll take a very short break and when we come
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: back we will let you know whether the election has
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: been called yet.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Surely we know by now.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: We'll also be discussing plenty of other issues that have
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: been on the agenda throughout the week, well plenty making
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: headlines all throughout the week. But I think the thing
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: that's caught everybody's attention for all the wrong reasons is
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the fact that Northern Territory Police, well, there were a
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: number of assaults on police officers throughout this week in
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Central Australia, mostly so Northern Territory Police charged an eighteen
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: year old man after allegedly assaulted five police officers during
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: an arrest on Saturday. Now, they were conducting this point
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: of sale intervention in Alice Springs at a CBD liquor store.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: The offender resisted arrest and then punched one officer several
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: times in the head and also attempted to bite that officer.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: A second officer came to assist, and the offender allegedly
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: spat and attempted to bite the officer as well. So
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: we know that then off duty members intervened and the
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: man continued to resist arrest, spitting kicking at all of
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: those officers involved. Then there was another incident where we
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: know that a constable had hair ripped out of her
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: head after they had gone to arrest somebody in a home.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I reckon. That was on Monday.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: We also heard from Saint John's on Monday as well
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: that there was a situation where one of the paramedics
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: was spat in the face when they had gone out
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to attend something. I mean, some of these situations are
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: just dreadful. You know, no body should have to go
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: through that kind of thing when they're out doing their jobs,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: and you know, like if you're a paramedic, you're called
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: out to actually go and help someone at a time
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: when they are in real need of assistance. Even with
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: the territory police. You know they're out there trying to
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: do their jobs.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: It's disgraceful, Katie, and they should face the full consequences
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: of the law. It's you know, they're there helping people
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: when they're vulnerable, often situations where most of us would
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: would get scared or walk away or you know, they're
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: going in there and it's just disgraceful behavior and unacceptable.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: It's just enoughs enough, something's got to happen here.
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: I know the corp of Broughting some legislation to try
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: and make sure that if you're an assault a police
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: officer or a worker or anything and you know, anyone
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: who's working, there'd be an actual term in imprisonment for
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: the first defense, because at the moment now there's nil
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: managtory minsment and so such as brings it up to say,
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: if you've got a coward enough to punch someone like
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: a police officer or a paramedic or the vet or
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: someone at woo wors, you need to have a strong
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: message out there that.
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: You'll receive an actual term in prison.
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: Because the labor's basically gone soften and crime crime's gone
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: through the roovers up thirty eight percent. It's just no
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: matter where you go in the territory, you could be
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: the victim of crime. And we're going to try and
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: get people to come here and on tourists to come
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: here as well.
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: And they get the car stolen.
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: Or they see and the social behavior, they don't report
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: back to their friends and families, saying we'll go to
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: the territory because it was a sad place.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Actually interesting, Jared, I have. I've had two groups of
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: friends come up from New South Wales and they stayed
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: with me for about it. We've had two little camp
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: of antinos and one of them that one of them
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: lived up here quite a long time and did work
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: for Saint John for twenty plus years. And she asked
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: me the question. She said, I've heard lots of things
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: about Elie Spring. Should we stop there or should we
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: stop here? And I said, well, you know, this is
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: what I think, and this is the kind of places
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: you just stay. But I mean, they're not shrinking violence,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: these people. So, but they had that from New South Wales,
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: the bottom of New South Wales, and they are saying
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: the stories are out there, so and that's what we
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: don't want to have happened.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Not to.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: There's lots of lovely things still in our springs, and
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: there's lots of stuff to do, like that light show,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: and they're going to go to Ularu and they're going
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: to go to King's Canyon, so they're going to get
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: out of the city, but they're not staying in the
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: city or the town. And the word is out there,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: and that's that's bad. We can't have that.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: You've raised a really good point keys here, because you
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: know the thing is we can all sort of stop
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: talking about it and pretend there's not an issue, and
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: as the government says in question time, you know, talk
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: the territory down. But at the end of the day,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: if these issues are happening, you can't ignore them or
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: they're never going to get better. You know, if you've
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: got calls like earlier in the week, people calling through
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: about those cars in Malac that had been damaged. Then
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the police revealed on the show yesterday kids age six to.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Twelve years old, and that's minor crime.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: You know, that's the kind of thing that half the
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: time barely even rates are mentioned, but it has a
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: huge impact on people having that's right.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Well, see, some places are going to miss out these
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: two people, they went to the aren't to Bitter Springs
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: near Mataranka wherever it is a state, A couple of
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: nights there and they're going to bunny Hop all the
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: way down to Alice.
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: These people STI got to call into those towns, get yeah,
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: and that's and social behavior. Go back and tell their
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: friends don't come to the territory. And right now this
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: is a drive market because you know people who want
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: to go overseas.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: I know that it's open up again.
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: So we want these people to go down south and
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: say territory, it's a great place, come up here. But
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: unfortunately the labor government have got their head in this end.
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: I know that Leers down at Alice Springs today. She's
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: down there looking around where Michael Gunner goes there and
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: sort of flies in and flies out. People really need
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: some action here in the Seal peer doing that by
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: changing your legislation, and we want the labor coming to
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: support it. So it'd be interesting to see what happens
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: in the main sittings whether they support our move to
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: try and make it a mandatory term of imprisonment for
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: if you assault a worker, including police officers, paramedics, all
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: the people we just spoke about, because it's important enough to.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: See is it something that you guys will support.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: So Katie, we did legislation in this space in twenty eighteen,
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: twenty nineteen. From memory, we expanded the definition of it worked.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: Can I let you have your rant? Let me have
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: a little go. We expanded the definition of an emergency
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: worker and it's a difficult space in terms of that definition.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: But the fire is the paramedics and the police officers
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: who they're working environment is different and they're not you know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: they're out in the open environment.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: So we change that definition.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: There is a penalty I believe it's up to seven
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: years imprisonment, so that you know, any legislation coming forward,
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: we'd of course look at it and make sure that
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: you know it has been drafted correctly. From the memory
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: of the legislation being introduced, it sounded similar to what's
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: already in place, but well, of course it's sitting on
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: the notice paper and we'll look at that. You must
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: be looking at these incidents that have occurred in the
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: last week, though, I'm thinking to yourself, hang on a second,
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: something is not right here, like we aren't there isn't
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: you know, for whatever reason there's not a deterrent or
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: things seem to be really quite bad.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: Oh, they're disgraceful there.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: It's completely unacceptable, and so of course we need to
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: make sure that these people face the consequences of the
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: penalties in place, and we need to work around why
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: they're perhaps happening, and if there's anything else we can
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: do in that space, we do it.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Clearly the legislation, and I do recall the legislation because
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: I support it. Where I think it was was Ambo's
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: police fire, emergency service is probably even nurses. I think
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: we're in that emergency worker tougher penalties. But I haven't
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: heard any people being charged with this yet, So I'm
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: not saying it's not working. I'm just saying it hasn't
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: been used. So what's the point of putting in legislation
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: if the authorities in that space don't charge these offenders
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: like these these people in our springs. Clearly it's not
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: an alleged crime, it's a crime against emergency workers. They
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: should be charged and feel the full brunt of that
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: legislation where they.
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: Go to jail, and remember the change of assumption against
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: bail earlier in the settings, and that was knocked back
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: and by the government because older men, leaves people are
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: doing these offenses and are on bail already, well need
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: to be consequence action right now.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: It's not just those issues that we're seeing with these
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: assaults on officers and also on frontline workers, but we
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: know we've got a real issue at the moment with
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: this anti social behavior that we're seeing all around the place.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I feel like a broken record because we've spoken about
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: it literally every week, I think since we've come back
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: just about this year, but everywhere I go at the moment,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: just about every phone call we get. You know, so
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: many of those social media interactions are about that anti
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: social behavior and some of the behavior that we're seeing
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: around the Northern Territory right now. You know, I was
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: in the shopping center yesterday afternoon and I had people
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: that work in there saying to me, Katie, I am
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: scared to walk to my car when I finished my shift.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: You know, that is a real worry when you're talking
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: about one of our major shopping centers in the territory.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: You know, I was in a business in perap on Friday.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: They pulled me up said I've never seen it so
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: bad in the time that I've lived here, And it
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: wasn't just people being intoxicated and behaving badly or trying
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: to break into different businesses. The concern that one particular
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: business I'd have had and said to me is we're
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: talking about domestic violence on the street as well.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: We are literally.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Seeing women getting bashed on the street, and you know,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: we're calling the police, We're trying our best to help
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: these people.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: They get moved along and then it happens down the street.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: You know, it's not sort of good for us to
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: just go, okay, Well, some of these changes are going
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: to be long term. We've got the police doing this.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: We've got the police doing that. We've got a real
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: warrior at the moment. It is happening all around the place.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Files even your electoral office was broken into.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, kdie.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: And it's not just short term measures. It's long term
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: and it's a combination, and it's a difficult issue to solve.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: If it was simple, it would have been solved, you know,
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: decades ago. But certainly right now, working across the ngngos,
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: you know that return to country, we know that that's
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: had a factor that sheer volume of people I sought
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: some information yesterday and was briefed around there is accommodation
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: available at the short term accommodation centers, but looking at
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: the factor of alcohol involved in this. But yeah, certainly
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: acknowledge you know, the antisocial behavior and working across government
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: and NGOs and community and also you know community leadership
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: elders around how to tackle this here.
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: I think it's really sad people are there saying, oh,
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: that's just normal as it happens. It's not normal, and
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: it needs to be looked at. It needs to be
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: dealt with, because when you just think, oh, that's what
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: happens and just walk away, well, that is just unacceptable.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: And this is what I worry a bit about at
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: the moment, is there is that there does seem to
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: be a degradation in some of the behavior that we're
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: seeing around the place. And I think that a lot
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: of the time, we've all become quite desensitized to different
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: things that we are seeing, you know, some of the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: things that are happening around the place, and then you
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: do have visitors come from another state or you have
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: family come and visit, and all of a sudden, you're
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: seeing the territory through these different eyes again and thinking,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: goodness me, this actually isn't okay.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: It's not good for anybody.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Especially you know, like and three of us. I'm not
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: sure about you, Matt, but we've grown up here and
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: so you know what it was like when we were
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: kids up here.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know, just.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Are blowing but and I agree, I think we are desensitized.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: But it's interesting because there's new pockets of this upheaval
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: expanding from out of the urban areas. I'll give you
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: an example, where the Bunning is on the Stewart Highway.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: There's a group of long glasses Iteinnians call them what
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: you like, people from our communities. They camp under the
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: back eaves of the building. Now there's been trouble there,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: you know about that in the past, stabbings and what
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: have you. But what neighbors have told me, My neighbors
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: have told me they've seen an increased presence of police
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: paddy wagons just doing circuits around Bunnings and around that
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: bottle shop and around the service station whatever, because they
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: seem to be they going there. I don't know where
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: they've come from. Sometimes it's man and Greta I've found out.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: But they drink lots get into troubles, and that's on
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: that main bike path. And I know of a previous fellow,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: and I think I might have mentioned this on another show.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: You know, these are proper cyclists, and his bike was
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: about thirty thousand dollars and he collected one of these
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: guys early in the morning bingled himself up being all
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: the blowup, wrecked his bike. But then when he tried
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: to help the Aboriginal fellow that he didn't run into,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: some others came out of the bush and tried to
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: nearly beat him up. Yeah, you know so that it's
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: one thing to run amock yourselves, but they're creating safety
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: and serious health hazards for other people going about their
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: normal days lives. And whether it be a sports person
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: or just a mom and a dad somewhere or whatever,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: I think there are genuine issues out there and genuine fears.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: As I think someone said about going to shopping centers,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: and I think that's real. I definitely would not let
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: my mother and my big sister she takes about shopping
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: go to any of those shopping centers other than the
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: ones we know and feel comfortable about, because you know
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: they're starting to put.
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: An effect on businesses starting to trying to get their business,
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: and they can't trade because they've been broken into the
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: insurance policies going up. People aren't going to the shopping
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: centers because they're fearing of there's antisocial behavior.
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: So, you know, businesses are our life, right. We don't
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: have people here making money.
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: No one's paying the mortgage, no one's buying stuff, and
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: when you have.
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: All these problems, that's really difficult to operate a bio.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Well, look, I think I don't know how much clearer
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I can make it at the moment.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: For you know, for everybody sitting in the room.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: You guys, I know that you're on different sides of
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the fence when it comes to some of these political issues.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: But I certainly in terms of what the community is
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: saying to me the moment, they're really upset.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: They want to see some change in this space.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: So I do hope that everybody is hearing that very
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: loudly and clearly. I'm going to take a very short
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: break when we come back. Well we'll get ready to
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: wrap up, but we might have a bit of a
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: chat about this project. Sea Dragon. You are listening to
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Mix one O four nine's three, it's sixty and if
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: you have just joined us, well we've missed a very
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: busy hour. But we've got Jered Malee, Matt Cunningham, Keziapurica,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Natasha Fhiles in the studio. Now, before we do wrap up,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Sea Farms, as we know, has conceded that project Sea
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: drag in the world's largest prawn farm, located on Lagune's
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Station about three hundred and forty kilometers southwest of Darwin,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: isn't viable in its current form and has recommended against proceedings.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: So what we do know is that the government had
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: committed fifty six million dollars to upgrading three roads to
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: support the project, including about seventeen point five million to
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: provide year round access to a remote road between Kunnanara
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: and the farm in the.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Remote northwest NT.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Well, I know a lot of people questioning how we
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: spent you know, that much money on a road before
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: the project got underway.
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, this is very concerning.
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: Can remember this is taxpayers money we're talking about, you know,
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: the mums and dads, the business owners out there, and
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: the government's gone out and spent fifty six million dollars
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: which could have been spent in health and education or
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: police on a project that's now defunct and not going ahead,
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: and it just begs the question, what's next, What's what's next?
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: What other projects is going to be all the taxpayers
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: money spent. Remember we had the water bottle incident a
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: few years ago there was ten million dollars fifty six
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: million dollars now accounted for twenty million dollars grandstand and
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: remember the Gunpoint roads, in my electric and Gunpoint roads.
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: The problem is caused out there is now there's this
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: alway the road out to Gunpoint, and there's all there's
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: any social behavior and people out there now drinking and.
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: All that stuff happening before.
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: You can only get out there in a land cruise
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: or a good full drive for maybe six months a year.
• 41:55
  Speaker 8: People who don't engage in antisocial behavior drive land cruise.
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: I'm talking about the road. The road is now a
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: beautiful roads.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: What homework do we do before?
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: Did the government get about this?
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: And what what? What integrity diligence?
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: It's not the diligence that we haven't done for some.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Projects the government hoodwinked.
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: Well, the question like why not waiting until there's a
• 42:28
  Speaker 8: final investment decision or until there's financial close. That seems
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: that that.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Could have been part of the package final investment decision,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: which often happens, you know with mining projects. Well, the
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: mining project says, yes, this is what we're going to commit,
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: but we need help with you to do this, and
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: so then the government says, yes, we'll give you that money.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Like well, Wonga Road. But Wonga was a little gold
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: mine down Pine Creek Way and they're going to cross
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: the highway and they went to the government said, look,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: can we just put a little underpass under the highway.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: This is what the gold mine is going to do.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: This is how much it's going to make for us,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: And the government came to the party government put the
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: underpass in. But after it has agreed to, then the
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: government spent the money, not before.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I believe we've seen other situations where maybe homework wasn't
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: done quite as well as it should have.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Been before money was handed out.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Didn't we have a grandstand that was built where maybe
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: the homework wasn't done quite as well as it could
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: have been.
• 43:16
  Speaker 8: Well, to be fair, at least the day and cup
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: still happens. People come and fill the grand stand.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Look We have got a message in one of our
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: listeners saying, good morning Katie. A question to our pollies
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: on project ce Dragon, where are the feasibility studies that
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: should have been done before any taxpayers money was granted?
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I think that that's what a lot of people are asking.
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: What I mean.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: I think it's a publicly listed company from Modern so
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: you know, it would have had to report to the
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Stock Exchange on stages of the project, and it has
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: also a publicly listed company has a huge lot of
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: other requirements and this.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Is the thing which but it makes me wonder whether
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: it's more a situation of you know, obviously I would
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  Speaker 1: imagine that that company has done everything that they need
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  Speaker 1: to do because, like you said, if they're publicly listed,
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  Speaker 1: they need to report back to their shareholders, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: But then why did we jump the gun?
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  Speaker 7: This is about the Northern Charactory government spending fifty six
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  Speaker 7: million dollars on a project that's going nowhere?
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  Speaker 3: Did they see to use an expression? When expiration companies
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  Speaker 3: get listed on the Stock Exchange and they're just a
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  Speaker 3: small company, they're often called paper miners. They haven't done
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  Speaker 3: anything illegal, but they're never really actually going to find
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  Speaker 3: a minor dig it up. So I don't know the
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  Speaker 3: history of this company. No idea of process of government
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  Speaker 3: should have been to really check the credentials of the
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  Speaker 3: direct and I think how much capital I've got, you know.
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  Speaker 1: My understanding is that, you know, obviously again I think
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  Speaker 1: that they've done everything that they were supposed to do.
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  Speaker 1: But my question really is why did the government go
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  Speaker 1: go in head first, spending fifty six million dollars before
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  Speaker 1: you know, before they were actually completing that feasibility study
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  Speaker 1: and doing everything to make sure the project was happening.
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  Speaker 5: It's Katie in the short time that I've got to
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  Speaker 5: answer that. We of course look at projects that create
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  Speaker 5: jobs and where with that enabling infrastructure. These are public roads.
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  Speaker 5: But my understanding is that the project that the new
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  Speaker 5: chief executive is looking at how the project can be
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  Speaker 5: staged so that it continued to be rolled.
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  Speaker 2: Out, so what you reckon, it's still going to happen.
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  Speaker 5: That's the advice that they're looking at, how around the
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  Speaker 5: viability of it to still make it happen because there's
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  Speaker 5: that huge market there. We've got the infrastructure in terms
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  Speaker 5: of the climate and the waters.
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  Speaker 7: So that's my understanding that fifty six million dollars could
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  Speaker 7: have been spent our health system this year and next
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  Speaker 7: year and then when this project rolls out in five
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  Speaker 7: or ten years, so I think he spend the money then.
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  Speaker 7: But right now health Systems in Christis had five code
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  Speaker 7: yellows in the last year and fifty six million dollars
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  Speaker 7: would have been going a long way to help our
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  Speaker 7: health system.
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  Speaker 5: And I think Jared's just shown his nativity around roads
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  Speaker 5: funding and how these roads are funded as enabling infrastructure.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, unfortunately we are going to have to wrap up.
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  Speaker 1: That is it for us this morning. Jared Mayley, the
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  Speaker 1: Member for Nelson, thank you so much for your time
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  Speaker 1: and obviously deputy or position later.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you listeners.
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  Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham, Sky News, thank you for your time this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Kizia Puic, the.
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  Speaker 1: Independent member for Guida, Thank you, go Rural and Touched
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  Speaker 1: a Files member for Nightcliff and Elth Minister, thank.
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  Speaker 4: You saved the best to last year.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you.
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