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Chiefs fall to Jags, NFL Week 5 recap, Cubs drop Game 2, Eliot Clough on the Hawkeyes & a Mark Gronowski update · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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All right, good afternoon. Welcome Miller and Condon back
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with you on a Tuesday. Glad you're with us as we start
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off a six hour block of Iowa based programming.
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Wherever you're listening on the Iowa Sports Radio Network
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Station One O 6.3 KX snow, we're grateful that you're starting
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your afternoon with us. Here's what's coming up on our
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program here this morning. I forgot to look at the guest
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list. Trent Condon, Elliot Clough will
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join us. That's good one.
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He will be. He's in Iowa City, of course,
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listening to Hawkeye players and in advance of Kirk Ference
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meeting the media at 1:45, we'll get Elliot the latest.
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Obviously. Do you know who the players have
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that have met the media so far? And I guess one in particular
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was Gronowski part of it. He was not, in fact, none of
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the. Quarterbacks were a part of it.
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Interesting. So we will find out more maybe
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at 1:40. Five.
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What do you read into it? I read that he certainly
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day-to-day and that they do not know at this point.
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Because Gronowski is usually part of the oh, absolutely of
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these interviews with the media before fair.
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And so that's that's not a good sign, I don't think.
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Or maybe they're just. Getting courtship right?
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Absolutely. Or or they just frankly don't
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know at this point. I mean there's still 5 days till
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we get to game day. Is there that long?
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Yeah, I. Mean we gotta wait till Saturday
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before this is gonna happen so that very well could be a part
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of it too just see how he's gonna we found out today John
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material now no chance of playing against Texas right so
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explain and now he's gonna maybe give it a go but again it's
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Tuesday there's still plenty of time and see.
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Plant that side of the plant that seed rather in the Sark and
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company's head. We will see.
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So we'll talk to Elliot Clough and then we will talk to Matt
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Snyder's. We get back to baseball and I
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couldn't be any more excited for that.
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I love that segment. Little MLB conversation.
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Three teams in an O2 hole one series which will start the
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coverage today. Seattle and Detroit, they are
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one apiece. That's a three O 8 I believe.
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First pitch here this afternoon and then the only other game
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today, Yanks and the Blue Jays as the Yanks are down O2 Bieber
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against Rodon in that one. So we'll talk some baseball with
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Matt Snyder and then Matt Poston's will join us.
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We'll get a recap the Big 12 where they are at this far into
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the college football season. Maybe do some basketball as well
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as Poston's. He's really good on on on men's
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hoops in the Big 12. So we'll cover a lot of ground
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with him. Trent's plays of the day coming
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up here at 150 Mr. Monday night. Had a nice win last night.
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The Jags in the what are they calling it?
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The stumble Ruski? That's a pretty good name.
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Pretty good name. Trevor Lawrence gets stepped on
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by his right guard, falls down, kind of falls down again in his
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haste to get back up and then makes a play.
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Chris Jones just stood there. Yeah, he did.
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That's not a good look. This is the lead.
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You see a guy fall over though he'd been on the field at tie.
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His sixteens running around is your team mates.
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You're. But is he running?
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You see him on the ground too. Yeah, but his team mates are.
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His team mates are running. But Chris Jones didn't think,
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you know what I'm not. They can do without me on this
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one. So what cut him?
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No, I don't think you cut him and I don't think we'll ever no
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more. I hope the media gets involved.
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I hope the media. To the media's credit, they
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asked Mauser about Bramer yesterday or Saturday rather
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what happened at the end? And Mauser said he'd lost track
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of time. OK, lost track of time.
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Yeah, But the answer the somebody discredited in in Ames,
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and I don't know who it was, but that question was asked because
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that that wasn't a good look yesterday or or Saturday rather.
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Anyways, the Monday night game last night, what did what did
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you learn, if anything? Are the Jags legitimate?
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No, I'm not saying they're a threat to win the Super Bowl to
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represent the AFC, but where are they?
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They're. They can win that division,
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maybe. I still think the Colts are
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better. I do too.
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I think they might be significantly better.
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But do you see that team, even a four and one?
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Are they better than a 10 and seven type of team?
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Well, here's what I'll say, and here's what dawned on me last
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night watching the game. I can't remember the last Jags
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game I watched. Seriously, when does when do you
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go out of your way to watch Jacksonville if your team is not
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playing them? I told you yesterday, it was
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when they played the Titans in those Nurse Tonight games.
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That's the only time the. Only time if they're a
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standalone and there's nothing else on, you're going to what
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what you. Of course, if it's standalone,
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you're going to watch the NFL. But you know what my take away?
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They got some talent. Well, they got talented dudes.
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They do. They're also so it out game.
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They gave up almost 500 yards of offense to the Chiefs.
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Yeah, Patrick most got a little too cute on that interception.
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See that was a no look pass that had that 99 yard pick 6 to
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Lloyd. That was a no looker.
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You don't see those backfire old 15 too often.
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I was apoplectic when they were into the officials to have them.
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Do you remember the first play of the game when they were the
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first touchdown and the flag came out offensive passer and
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fears they're going to call a pick.
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No, we get a yard. No, we get a yard and I'm
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thinking USO BS you're going to but you know what it was right.
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It was it was a perfectly legal block and I'm texting like crazy
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with my non chiefs fans out there.
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See they did it again and I saw the replay.
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Whoops. They had you got the chiefs.
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The players had it right and because they knew they lined up
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on the 2 yard line. The block in question happened
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at the 1 you get 1 yard. That was not a a an official's
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gathering. We got to make this right for
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Patrick, but nonetheless, the Chiefs fall and look, they're
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two and three, which I don't think anybody thought they'd be
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after 5 weeks. I brought up a guy yesterday
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when we were talking with Nick Athan.
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And you? Know the young running back
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Brashard Smith yeah he needs to be a bigger SMU, right he needs
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to be a bigger piece now they used him out of back he.
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Was good yesterday he had his best game.
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Yes, I still wonder what's left in the tank with him.
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He hasn't had the same burst after the broken leg that we
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saw, and he's going to get you harder in our yards.
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But this Smith kid, There's some wiggle.
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To him, yeah, I think you're right.
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And there's something that now remember, as I mentioned
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yesterday, he was a wide receiver until his last year at
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SMU. And you can see why they're
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using my backfield because he can catch a well, because that's
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what he was, a wider. I mean, I'm guessing you have no
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idea. Did you ever play running back
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in high school or anything like that?
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Yeah, yeah. Just knew that he moved there.
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SMU moved him there last year and they were playoff team and
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now you're seeing this. But I really like what you saw
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to him. I don't, I don't take this as a
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big demand. It was a weird game, you know,
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just an odd game. The Chiefs outplayed him for
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long, long stretches there. And Trevor Lawrence, people will
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remember that final play because it's so acid.
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I right, it's so dumb. I was just, I, I was giggling.
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I couldn't stop laughing. I saw your text rather.
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Trevor Lawrence, He's just not. Very good he's not.
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He's not. He's throwing.
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The ball, he's across the line of scrimmage and he's throwing
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the ball. Early in the game, yes.
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Early in the game, how many times did the clock run out on
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him? Where is your home?
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Stadium. Brian Thomas.
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Now that throw. That was unbelievable.
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I mean, good God, that's dropping the button completed to
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begin with. But over the course of 60
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minutes, and to your point, yeah, I don't watch the Jaguars
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for 60 consecutive minutes, but during that watching that, he
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just isn't good enough. I don't know.
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He was getting Mr. I know he did.
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I thought he was an absolute can't miss.
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He is fine. He can take this team, yeah, 10
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and seven, be a playoff team, but they're just the consistency
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isn't there when you watch him over the course.
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Of the game I don't. Think so.
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I mean at this point, I mean the Josh Allen thing is, is one of
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one. We have never seen a guy
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struggle as mightily as he did early in his career with
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completion percentage, the simple throws and do it for
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basically two years. Like he was 115.
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He was but. That's also lined up under the
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right guard. That's a different era too.
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In today's era, where completion percentage, you need to be
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complete. We've never seen anything like
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Josh Allen struggling to complete 53% of his passes and
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then turn into the guy that he has.
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That is a huge rarity in today's game, and Trevor Lawrence is
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now. Five years 5.
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Years in and suddenly that consistency is going to start.
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I don't see it. He is what he is.
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There's talent. It's not that he's not talented,
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just not consistent enough to be.
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Washington's emerging. Maybe.
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Maybe it's a product of his, of his receivers.
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I don't know. I like that right guard or right
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tackle, rather. 77, can't think of as Harrison.
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Harrison, I think you got hurt. So they're building a nice
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offensive line there. Obviously, Etienne can run the
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football a little bit, but I think the Colts are the team in
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that division. It's like it's a division that
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of the eight, would that be the one we ignore the most?
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Maybe. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so
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too, even though the Colts are part of it.
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But we're a long way removed from Peyton Manning being Colt.
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And Dallas Clark and Pat Sanders and having the local connection
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that goes along with it. And not just any local
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connection, I mean two beloved players.
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Yeah. That were, I think, a big part.
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There are plenty of people that jumped on the Colts bandwagon.
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Terry, because of that, yeah, I'm sure.
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And I'm sure there's probably some people in their 20s and 30s
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now that became Colts fans because of Peyton or maybe the
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local connection. But yeah, of the four divisions,
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because even at anger, you were out there for a couple of years,
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Hell yeah. You know, the NFC West kind of
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forgotten, but the NFC West still has 49ers.
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I mean. By era, a lot of 49er fans.
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Then he got the the Brock pretty connection.
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George Kittle, that's definitely helped out.
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Definitely the AFC South and Jaguars are they're fine.
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They stole one. I think they stole one last.
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Night. Yeah, yeah, you can look at it
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that way. I don't disagree with.
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What I mean, when you get out game by almost 200 yards in an
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NFL game, that's pretty significant.
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Yep, it is. It is Hollywood.
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Brown was good. You you're just looking to find
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a way to pour dirt on the Chiefs.
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I I know you over there. I've actually I spent a lot of
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my own money, not our fake media call money.
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I spent a lot of my own money on the Chiefs this last week.
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I didn't want to be left behind. Should have waited till this
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week. Yeah, we've got a better.
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Price right. It's always the way there was a
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game that I don't think got the eyeballs that it deserved and I
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understand why in that in that late window or that three O 5
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window on on Sunday and I'm really just a start yesterday
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just realized what I missed and Seattle and Tampa Bay must have
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been a hell of a football game yes, I mean both of the
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quarterbacks in that game and what they were doing as far as
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the numbers the percentages that they put up in that football
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game Trent. It's unbelievable.
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I mean that the head to head the darn old box score versus the
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Baker Mayfield. Baker was 29 out of 33379 yards,
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2 touchdown, 29 out of 3328 out of 34 for Donald, 4 touchdowns,
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1 interception. That's good quarterback play.
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That is 2 good quarterbacks in the same draft, right?
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Baker was 1, Darnold was 3 only. You're better at that stuff than
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I. Am I think that's Barclays
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draft? Oh really?
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I think it was Mayfield, Barkley, Darnold.
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Is that right? Or was that Zach Wilson's draft?
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I don't remember. But two really good quarterback.
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So what about either of those teams Tampa Bay and Seattle more
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likely to represent in the NFC in a Super Bowl is.
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Oh, I think it's Tampa. It's not even close.
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Do you? Oh yeah.
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I mean, a, they went into Seattle and they won that.
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Win I agree with. You this team is incredibly
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banked up. They Mike Evans will come back
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after his yearly hamstring injury and he'll be Mike Evans
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and he'll have 1000 yards and probably end with a ton
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touchdowns because that's what he does.
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They have the MVP in the league right now and Baker Mayfield.
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You heard that right. The MVP of the NFL is Baker
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Mayfield, right? What?
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What is odds? 12:50 That's pretty good.
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That's pretty good. 8 to one, eight to one DraftKings.
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As I look at it right now, the third betting choice could have
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got him a week ago at 16 to 1. Really.
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Did you? No Wish I would have put that
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one in my back pocket. Baker Mayfield's the MVP with an
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offensive line is depleted for a good team that we can remember
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and they're getting healthier and a wide receiver group that
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loses it's veteran and minimal. Played without Godwin for what,
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the first three weeks of the season and got him back.
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Baker is the MVP in Tampa, Seattle.
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Playing with the Offensive Rookie of the Year.
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Yeah. Oh, absolutely, he's -110 -, 110
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Ibuka is -110 Do you know what I got him at at Circa?
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I do because he's you've. 50 to 1:50 to 1:50 to 1:00.
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Good one to have in the back pocket.
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Oh my God, Seattle's. I don't know.
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We'll, we'll see. Where's Seattle to win the West?
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Seattle to win the West, all right, wins.
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It can't. Be the third choice.
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The person was clearly 4th. All right, scrolling through,
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let's get to the NFC West. Here we go.
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You're betting favorite team at the top 49ers -125.
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I think it's a fake. I think it's a fake 4:00 and
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1:00. Can I interest you in a Rams a
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little better than two to 1 + 2 O 5 on LA?
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No. What's Seattle?
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5:00 to 1:00. Are they really?
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And there's the Cardinals, 35 to one that team.
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So Seattle has done this. Lost at home to the 49ers.
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Beat the Steelers and Caleb Johnson's bonehead to play.
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Oh, yeah. Right, right, right, right.
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That was in Pittsburgh. Blew off the Saints, nearly blew
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a big lead against the Cardinals and then lost at home again.
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To the Buccaneers. That's the team, he thinks,
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going to the Super Bowl, No. No, not when he put it like
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that. On the other side, this is what
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Tampa's done. Went in to their division rival
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and beat him a week. One out in Atlanta?
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Yep. Held on on the road against the
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Texans, beat The Jets, lost to the Eagles in a game that they
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woulda shoulda coulda and then came back and went on the road.
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All the way across the country to the West Coast to play
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Seattle in the home of the 12th man.
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Very tough. Place to play?
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They get the Niners at home this week.
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They hanged up Niners team. They go to Detroit after that,
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at the Saints before their bye week, Patriots at Bills, at
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Ramzu. That's a tough stretch.
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Yeah, it is. Cardinals at home after that and
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the closing stretch. How's this for their final five
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games of the year? Did they get a breather?
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Oh yeah. In fact, let's go right after
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Thanksgiving home for the Cardinals.
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OK. Home for the Saints, home for
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Atlanta. Got to go on the road to
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Carolina, to Miami, who might not have a coach at that point,
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and they wrap up at home again against Carolina, that closing
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6. Now let's take this a step
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further as we're talking about some odds and some numbers.
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Tampa Bay to have the number one seed in the NFC.
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Oh, that's juicy, because it's Eagles.
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Lions. I don't.
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I've said this before, I don't think the Packers are the best
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team in the NFC. Name the finalists.
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Exact result. Championship, special winning
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conference playoffs. Number one seed.
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Here we go. Lions are plus 330, Niners 4 to
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1. No thanks.
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Eagles plus 475, Packers 5 to 1. And there's the Bucks at six to
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one that closing stretch. Keep your head above water.
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We'll get it now or no, you know, maybe you should wait
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because it gets a little tougher before that 5 pack at the end.
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We'll see. All right, let's talk some
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baseball. Three teams down O2 in their
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respective series. The Yankees are up against it,
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the Cubs are up against it, and the Phillies are up against it.
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Of the three more likely to get to their leagues, Championship
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series or none of the above. Well, yeah, I mean, I think
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that's the right answer. I don't have belief in any of
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those three teams to do it. But if I had to do it, it'd be
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the Yankees. How come?
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Firepower, offensive lineup, getting a slow pitch softball.
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Game They're getting outscored by Toronto.
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Yeah, they are. In a big way.
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Win a couple of 10-7 games and they can hold on for dear life.
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On top of it, they go to Yankee Stadium.
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The Cubs are cooked of the three, Totally.
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They're third on that list. I think the gap between 2:00 and
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3:00 is significant. And the Cubs are definitely 3rd
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and the Phillies have to go to LA.
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Yeah. And that and that's the
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difference between the other two, those other two teams you
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see. The play that Freeman made a
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first base for the final out of the game, the the scoop, the
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scoop, I mean, Tommy Edmond, what was that throw mentioned
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second baseman look like Chuck Knobloch over there, Steve.
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Sachs. I mean, he, he was obviously
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nerves, right? He panicked.
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He did. He panicked.
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What a play. Just chucked it and at first I
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didn't think Friedman had his foot on I.
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Didn't think so. We.
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They were the same way. Yes, yeah, thought it was off
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the bag. Thought he had pulled it.
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What a great night that was. Last night it was phenomenal.
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He flipped over. I flipped over right in time to
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see say I hit the three run Homer, here we go.
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Well, not me. Because I stayed with the end of
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the game and they and TBS because you must have flipped to
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TNT when they put it early. TBS showed him crossing home
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plate. What did I just miss?
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No. No, man.
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And then so I watched the baseball on my iPad and and and
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the football on the on the TV. But yeah, it was a fun night.
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Fun, fun, fun night. We get a double, a double header
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next week in football Monday night.
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We're supposed to have four games tomorrow.
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I don't think we will. You don't.
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I don't think we will. Is that fan Ken talking?
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It's Bieber versus Rodon. Bieber has been not.
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Good less of late Trent. He was better when he first came
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back. He was outstanding.
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He was better when he first came back.
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He's his last couple of starts have not been the shiniest.
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Looking through 5 innings, five hits, couple earned runs, six
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and a third, two earned runs, four hits in that one strikeout.
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Numbers have not been there like they were right when he came
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off, though, and maybe that's where the concern is.
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Rodan on the other side, good against the Red Sox in the
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playoffs, got to face the White Sox, the Orioles.
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The Twins has three starts previous to that so maybe don't
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have they set. Times yet Or are they waiting
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for the it's? TBD tomorrow for everything.
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Well, so right now it's listed 2:00 tomorrow for Tigers,
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Mariners, 4:00 for the Cubs, 8:00 for Dodgers, Phillies with
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Yankees, Blue Jays. TBD.
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I don't know if we do get because where would they put
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6:00? I guess they put that right in
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the middle. I think they put that as 6:00
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there. So it'd be kind of a 2 hour gap
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between them all so nobody else would shift even if the Blue
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Jays eliminate. Yeah, I mean, sadly for the
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Tigers, the Mariners, it was like the Tigers and, and, and
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the Guardians, they're they're going to start the day.
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They're kind of like the Houston Texans back in the day.
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They're going to play Saturday at noon in the playoffs.
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That's just the way it is. Fascinating time.
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I love this time of year. We have some potential breaking
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news in the NFL with a trade the Cincinnati Bengals.
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Did they pick up a quarterback? They did.
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Did they pick up a good quarterback?
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They didn't if he was good. He probably wouldn't be on the.
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He wouldn't be traded or, yeah, be a free agent.
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They're going after a division mate, Joe Flacco.
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No. So Gabriel's the guy.
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And they're going with. Gabriel, what did you think of
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him Sunday morning? Better than I thought.
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I'm with you 100%. Better than I thought I saw his
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like yardage passing yardage total like in the prop market
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was like 170. I'm like, oh, that's a gift.
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Yeah, what did he throw for? I think maybe just shy of 200,
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something like that. I thought he was OK.
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I was surprised. Stronger armed than I
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anticipated with you. Yeah, there was.
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Is he a long term answered? I don't think so.
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So what does this do to Sanders? Does elevate him to two.
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Well, don't they still have like a bunch of guys on that roster?
19:14
I thought they got rid of them. I don't even know what their
19:17
roster construction looks. Like I'm going to look right
19:19
now, now that you, now you got me wondering.
19:21
Because yeah, that would make the most sense, right?
19:24
The official 53 being roster. Let's go by position.
19:27
Chart is Gabriel Flacco, he's out.
19:31
Sanders was 3. Deshaun Watson is out, so it
19:34
would be Gabriel Sanders. Shadour is one hit away from
19:39
throwing his first pass in the NFL.
19:41
Never thought it would happen. So Flacco is headed out the
19:44
door. That's not where I would have
19:45
went. I mean, what they, what they
19:46
give up for him? A7 didn't even have anything
19:49
like that in there. Can we go back?
19:52
Got a couple minutes before we're going to get Elliot down
19:53
here. Talk some Hawkeyes to the Cubs
19:56
line up yesterday. Justin Turner at the top.
20:00
Well, I think it was because they wanted Ashby, who's a
20:04
left-hander. They don't want Michael Bush,
20:06
for whatever reason, to face left handers.
20:09
That's that was the I guess the reasoning behind it.
20:13
Like it or not. Now I hated it too, but Bush did
20:16
get a single. I mean, Bush Turner did single
20:19
early in the 2nd and bad. I think it was.
20:21
Yeah, second and bad. That's the guy leading off a
20:24
game with an on base percentage of this year of 291, not not
20:28
batting average on base percentage under 300 this year.
20:31
Yes, it worked. But let's not play revisionist
20:33
just because it worked. Come on, Justin Turner in that
20:37
spot. It just it's unthinkable.
20:39
Why don't they let Michael Bush hit lefties?
20:42
I know he's not good at it. But he's it's not like he's
20:44
never got a hit off. Yeah.
20:46
He's not batting zero. I mean, what's more?
20:48
Likely Bush is going to get a hit or Justin Turner's going to
20:50
do something. Over the course of a season, it
20:53
is Michael Bush at this point in his career.
20:55
You know, here's the problem. Ian Haps batting a Buck 5.
20:59
Dansby Swanson's batting $1.76. Their prize?
21:02
Offseason acquisition Kyle Tucker batting $1.76 in the
21:06
playoffs. That's not good enough.
21:08
That is not good enough. And they're they're, they're
21:11
striking out. What did you say the strikeout
21:13
numbers were? I believe I saw the five playoff
21:15
games, five playoff games. Now, to this point, they've
21:17
struck out 54 times as a lineup. That's that.
21:20
That works out. An average man.
21:21
They got 11 of them yesterday, struck at 11 times yesterday
21:24
against the Brewers. Now Mesirowski was good.
21:26
Yes, he was. Hitting a buck for on the gun.
21:29
And Speaking of that, you know, we people expertly right away, I
21:33
mean, killing the decision to go with Ashby.
21:37
However, it worked out pretty well with Miss Roski.
21:40
It did. And we don't know how it would
21:42
have went if he would have had it.
21:43
If he had the same first inning that actually Ashby had, who
21:47
knows what he would have looked like.
21:48
It's that again, talking about baseball, the second guessing
21:52
that is involved there and that was Murphy pushing the right
21:55
part. It was.
21:56
He's a great manager, Trent. He really is Craig.
21:58
Counsel. Overrated.
22:01
I think so. Overrated.
22:02
When Vaughn hit the home run to tie it at 3:00, you could almost
22:06
see the air going out of the dugout.
22:08
And with at the Chicago dugout, they just looked like, Oh my
22:11
God. It the non competitive outs were
22:13
driving me now. I mean, it was the 6th inning,
22:15
6th inning PCA swinging at a pitch above his letters just.
22:20
Did you see PCA? Try and climb for.
22:22
Wall. Oh my God.
22:23
What are you doing? Remember earlier in the year he
22:25
dove and he was like 20 feet away from the ball.
22:28
I love the guy. I.
22:31
Just some of the. Some of the some of the stuff I
22:34
mean, come on. He drives me crazy.
22:35
Yeah, I get why. I get why.
22:37
We'll take a time out. We'll come back and talk to
22:40
Elliot Clough. Get the latest on the press
22:42
conference. The players some of the Hawkeye
22:45
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22:48
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23:20
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23:21
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basketball for Heartland College Sports.
23:42
Here's Elliot Clef, hawkeyeinsider.com, part of 24/7
23:46
sports. He sequestered in Iowa City
23:49
listening to some of the players they've that they've met the
23:51
media, waiting on Kirk Ference, who will do so in about an hour
23:55
and 10 minutes. Elliot Trenton, Ken, thanks for
23:57
coming on. How are things in Iowa City?
24:01
Very good, Ken. Yeah, no quarterbacks today get
24:05
a whole lot from from the players.
24:08
But yeah, we're rolling well, assuming we'll we'll get more of
24:11
a verdict on on quarterbacks from from Kirk Ference and like
24:15
you said, about an hour and 10 minutes, but we'll see.
24:17
I, I would not be surprised if it's, well, we'll play it by ear
24:21
and day-to-day and, and we don't get a whole lot of anything, but
24:25
we'll, we'll see how it goes. Yeah.
24:27
It's kind of how Trent, now we're talking about it earlier
24:29
because you usually get Granowski, correct, He's usually
24:31
part of these things. And when he didn't show, it
24:34
leaves us to speculate and that's what Trent and I doing.
24:38
We speculate that he's not going to go, but we'll see.
24:40
We don't know. What are you hearing right now,
24:41
Elliot? Is it what's just been kind of
24:43
out there, the day-to-day type of thing?
24:46
Yeah, it's, it's more or less what was out there.
24:48
What what our Matt Bennett at CBS Sports reported.
24:52
I think it was over the weekend or, or, or last week at some
24:55
point. Just that it is day-to-day that
24:57
it is week to week right now. I, I think all we can really do
25:00
is, is speculate. You know, I personally, that's,
25:03
that's where I'm at reading between the line.
25:06
I, I think it'll be Hank Brown this weekend.
25:08
But yeah, like, like we've said, we'll, we'll find out more and,
25:12
and, and learn more as we go. But I mean, I don't, I don't
25:15
know if if the people in the building really know what's
25:18
going to be happening this weekend just because of the
25:20
uncertainty around the injury. Taking that a step further, it
25:24
was I thought eye opening depth charts released our economics,
25:27
he's on there, but then we see Hank Brown or Jeremy Holinski.
25:32
So let's take that a step further.
25:35
Solinsky's not been listed. Right, he has not been on the
25:38
depth chart. Now he is.
25:40
What did you read into that part of it seeing the big force
25:42
transfer listed for the first time?
25:45
Yeah, I think it's I think it's I was, you know, a little bit of
25:48
gamesmanship from from the Hawkeyes.
25:50
You know, I think it's more of a situation where you're, when
25:55
you're looking at that, you think, OK, to me what that was
25:59
was we're going to make Wisconsin prepare for anybody
26:02
and everybody that they could possibly face.
26:04
It's Mark Gronowski could go, he might go.
26:07
Let's make him prepare as if he has to go.
26:09
But in which case, I think I think Hank Brown is is clearly
26:14
QB 2. But they've been talking about
26:16
Hecklinski and, you know, every time we hear, we hear Tim Lester
26:20
speak of Hecklinski. He's a little ball player there
26:23
now, and I've heard a little bit about of that from behind the
26:26
scenes too. And he's got, you know, Eklinski
26:29
has a little bit of that that moxie that that Drew Tate
26:32
ability to make a playoff script.
26:34
He, you know, I wouldn't say he's, well, he's obviously not
26:39
the most physically imposing specimen of a quarterback, but
26:42
his ability to just kind of whip a ball in there, put it exactly
26:45
where it needs to go and, and make some really interesting
26:48
and, and positive throws is, is just fun.
26:50
Like, and when was the last time Iowa had a fun quarterback?
26:54
Probably CJ Beathard. And if you want to go back to
26:56
Drew Tate, Drew Tate. But I, I think it's an
26:59
indication that, you know, Kirk is, has really spoken highly of
27:03
Heklinsky to they really like what they've seen from him.
27:06
And it's just another opportunity to keep constant
27:08
guessing ahead of a game that they've had circled pretty much
27:11
this entire offseason. And yet if we go, we have that
27:15
look at the depth chart from the offensive side, but then the
27:17
defensive side, Harold is not listed.
27:19
So what do we read into that? Well, he did miss, I think, part
27:25
of one of the final drives against Indiana.
27:28
So to me, it's just an injury thing.
27:30
You know, he ended up getting back on the field, if I remember
27:32
correctly, after he left for a series or two.
27:36
And I would assume it's just a situation where he needs to get
27:39
right. And the weird thing about that,
27:42
too, to me, Ken, is that they listed Jackson Rex Roth as the
27:47
backup Mike, which is interesting.
27:50
I think if there's any real change, what's going to happen
27:53
is Jayden Montgomery might very well get to go.
27:55
He's a little bit smaller than what I would like to have at the
27:58
mic, but there's a real possibility that Carson Shire
28:01
moves over to the mic. Jackson Rex Roth plays the will
28:04
and maybe we see a Montgomery, a Landon Van Kareex, maybe one of
28:09
the young guys at the Leo if and when that that, you know, that
28:13
type of traditional 43 defenses out there.
28:16
I really, I really don't know what we're going to see.
28:19
I mean, like I said, I've heard a lot of good things about
28:22
Montgomery from behind the scenes too, but they do like to
28:24
have a bigger body in the middle.
28:26
So if I had to guess, I would say Shire starts with the Mike
28:30
and Rex Roth at the will because somebody told me that Rex Roth
28:33
is actually cracked like 50% of practice during the week he's at
28:36
the will. So that that would not surprise
28:39
me. I mean, and Rex Roth is probably
28:41
been the best and the most consistent of the three, which I
28:44
would not have guessed that this is going into this season, but
28:47
that would be how I would expect them to go.
28:50
They might run a little bit more 4:00 to 5:00 than traditionally
28:53
and you know, even down in the red zone where they might like
28:55
to go a little bit more 43, but that would be my expectation.
29:01
But you know, like I said, I could be wrong.
29:03
They do like Montgomery. So we'll see.
29:05
Sam Phillips was part of the scrum.
29:07
He's become one of their go to receivers and on top of it,
29:11
maybe something that is the most interesting.
29:13
He just asked about Reese Vanderzee and said, quote, I'm
29:16
happy he's back. Reese Vanderzee.
29:18
Now we also know Sam Phillips is a transfer.
29:21
I don't know. He hasn't had the same kind of
29:22
media training. If you let the cat out of the
29:24
bag on that one, if he's going to have to go to the corner
29:26
office and have a talking to. But regardless of that
29:29
Vanderzee, we knew this was something that they were
29:31
targeting potentially this week. Take us in a little bit, Sam
29:35
Phillips, what he had to say in the potential of return of
29:37
Vanderzee. Yeah, I was going to share that
29:40
quote a little bit, David. I got the quote that David got.
29:44
Got to it on Twitter before I did.
29:46
But yeah, it sounds like you'll be back.
29:49
Obviously we'll get the confirmation from from Kirk here
29:52
soon, but man, that would be huge.
29:54
Right now you're you're probably going to have to go to your
29:57
backup quarterback and you you'll get the guy who's
30:00
probably your most talented receiver, a guy that you can
30:03
throw a 5050 ball to and trust that he's going to go get it,
30:06
man. Getting A64215 body.
30:09
Like Iowa has Dayton Howard on the roster and he's made some
30:13
really good plays this season. But Reese van der Zee is a
30:16
different type of athlete. He's bigger, thicker.
30:19
Like this is just a guy who is seen as I mean, like for for
30:25
frame of reference, Dayton Howard didn't have a single
30:27
other offer, whereas Reese Vanders, he had offers from
30:29
Nebraska, Iowa State, I think, I think another powerful squeak.
30:33
It squeaked in there at one point.
30:35
But Reese is just a different type of physical specimen.
30:39
We saw a little bit of that last year with his catch at Michigan
30:41
State, the two touchdowns against Illinois State.
30:44
This would be massive. Pour a Hank Brown to you.
30:49
Trust them a little bit more to go to the air when you have that
30:52
type of receiver that can go get a pass.
30:54
And it's not like that the receiving court doesn't have any
30:57
of that. But Reese Sanders thee is the
31:00
epitome of it, right? He's he's the the most talented
31:03
guy, probably the guy who's gotten the most reps with Hank
31:08
Brown because he was healthy during the spring, because he
31:10
was healthy for the majority of camp.
31:12
So, yeah, getting Reef back at this point would be huge.
31:17
You're going to try to establish the run at Wisconsin because
31:19
they have not been good against the run.
31:21
But being able to go to the air and when you need to go to the
31:24
air, it makes it feel a lot better when Reef Vanderzee's out
31:27
there. Enteringer, I thought it had his
31:30
best game, maybe as a Hawkeye. I know he missed some tackles
31:33
which, you know, kept kept his numbers down, his analytics down
31:36
a little bit, but man, he had a heck of a game last time out,
31:40
did he? I think he met with the media
31:42
today. What did he have to say?
31:45
Yeah. So I did not get to go over
31:47
there and talk to Cohen, Dave. Dave handled that for us.
31:50
But I can tell you a quote that that I thought was was telling
31:53
and really interesting from Cohen, who's in his first year
31:57
as a captain, in his first year as a starter.
32:00
He referenced the fact that he is a captain this year and that
32:05
he got to see Jack Campbell be a captain early on in his career
32:09
in Iowa. And that every time he sees that
32:11
he's selected to be a captain for Iowa, he thinks about Jack
32:14
Campbell being the quote, the the best leader that he's ever
32:18
seen or best leader that he's ever been around.
32:20
So, so kind of a nice feel good thing from from Cohen today,
32:24
talking about one of the former Iowa linebackers now, of course,
32:27
at the Detroit Lions, the the Buttkus award winner.
32:31
So, you know, kind of a cool feel good thing that you get in
32:34
the middle of the week. But yeah, I I would agree with
32:36
you, Ken. I think that if he hadn't missed
32:39
those tackles, that would have been Cohen and fingers coming
32:41
out party, so to speak, where he establishes himself as one of
32:46
the best players on the defense, did lead the team and missed
32:48
tackles, which I was kind of surprised to see that.
32:50
You know, that's according to PFF, which isn't always perfect.
32:53
But yeah, I mean, he's one of the most versatile defensive
32:57
backs that that Iowa has right now.
32:59
I think he's a hard hitter. Of course, he had the two fourth
33:02
down stops. He's a Dodd man like I'm I'm a
33:05
big cohesion guy. I think he'd be best served by
33:08
by coming back for his senior year, but continuing to put
33:11
stuff on on tape like he has. He's he's an NFL guy in my
33:14
opinion. Whether that special team
33:16
practice squad or or seen a spot in the 53 man roster or ABC in
33:19
the field, He's he's an NFL guy in my opinion.
33:23
Wasn't it him, Trent, that made that play as a freshman?
33:26
Went on special teams with big. 10 Championship.
33:29
Unbelievable. Yeah.
33:30
Yeah, and he's only started six games in his career.
33:32
That's wild. Only one star coming into this
33:34
season. Final thing for me, Elliot
33:36
running back. I know you heard from Nathan
33:38
McNeil, the freshman out of Tampa who's been certainly a
33:41
really good Xavier Williams back on the depth chart.
33:43
Kabari Bolton's dealt with that shoulder injury, gutted out the
33:46
last couple of weeks. This feels like if it's going to
33:48
be Hank Brown, Hulk Eklinski, whoever, you want to rely on the
33:52
run game a whole lot more. How does it shake out?
33:54
How does the running back look now with Williams back in the
33:56
mix? You know, what I would expect is
33:59
that Kamari Moulton still gets the bulk of the carries, Xavier
34:03
Williams plays that complimentary role and we still
34:05
see a little bit of Nathan McNeil.
34:06
We won't see as much as we did of him against Indiana, but I
34:10
would expect Xavier Williams to come back and be a fixture in
34:13
the rotation as well as Kamari Moulton being the guy.
34:17
He's still RV one. Like if there's anything that
34:20
we've learned in the last two weeks, it's that Kamari Moulton
34:22
is the most talented back, the most experienced, the most all
34:25
around back that you have on your roster.
34:27
But man, getting Xavier Williams back to run between the tackles
34:30
is massive. To get a guy that can, you know,
34:32
punch you in the face, but it's also really patient as a runner
34:35
between the tackles really lets the blocks develop.
34:39
That's huge, man. And also to have a Nathan McNeil
34:42
who is more of that, you know, electrify, excuse me,
34:45
electrifying type of playmaker that can really make plays in
34:47
space. I think that's how it shakes
34:50
out. It'll probably be those guys.
34:52
Obviously, we don't know what's going on.
34:54
If TJ Washington is fully healthy right now.
34:56
I think he he left the game against Indiana.
34:58
I'm not 100% sure, so don't quote me on that.
35:01
But yeah. And then and then Jazz
35:04
Patterson, not on the deaf chart again this week.
35:05
So it'll probably be a healthy dose of of those three guys
35:09
against the rush defense that have struggled.
35:11
Elliot Clef, hawkeyeinsider.com Part of 24/7 Sports.
35:15
Elliot, appreciate what you do for Trenton High and Tuesday,
35:17
really do. I will try and run you down next
35:19
week if your schedule allows. Thank you, Sir.
35:21
We'll talk to you soon. Sounds good.
35:23
Thanks guys. Good to talk to you Elliot
35:25
Clough as we check in on into Iowa City and what's going on
35:29
with the Hawks. That Vanderzee little nugget to
35:31
get you on earth is pretty good. Juicy that's.
35:35
Awesome. I can.
35:36
I can already see it. Yeah.
35:37
Sam Coach wants to talk to you. How do we do things now?
35:42
He's going to be asked. Parents is going to be this
35:45
afternoon. It's good.
35:46
That's an hour from now. That's pretty good press.
35:48
Maybe a lot of Intel coming out of that presser.
35:51
Now it's Kirk. Sure, you got it right, right,
35:54
right. But there'll be a lot of ears, a
35:57
lot of interest on what he has to say on this one.
36:00
Who's going to start from Wisconsin?
36:01
It's, it's not Billy, I think Billy Edwards.
36:03
Said the Southern Illinois transfer last week.
36:05
He was the guy that started the game and he was, I mean, as good
36:09
as the rest of the garbage, yeah.
36:10
I've had terrible quarterback play, terrible quarterback play.
36:14
We'll have Nick Osen that will. Yeah, tomorrow, Nick Osen.
36:17
Joining us tomorrow. To talk more about that, we'll
36:20
take a time out Sutton, because. That wasn't.
36:25
Anything is Sutton. We'll take a time out, come
36:27
back, wrap up our number one, our 2 baseball and Big 12 is.
36:32
Simmons. Simmons, there you.
36:33
Go Hunter Simmons. Hunter Simmons, you'll in all
36:38
likelihood be under Center for Wisconsin.
36:40
Yes, Nick Osen is going to join us tomorrow, our old buddy Nick
36:43
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36:46
All right, final couple of minutes, first hour of our
36:49
program off the bench coming up two until 5, Lucas and Sean, and
36:53
then overtime. Iowa, 5 to 6.
36:56
The 2025 Baltimore Ravens through five games have given up
37:01
177 points. The 2000 Baltimore defence in 16
37:07
games, gave up 165 points. Wow, what a difference.
37:11
Everybody keeps Alamari wait till Lamar comes back.
37:13
OK, Yeah, he's great players, there's no denying that.
37:16
But he doesn't play defence and and they're still the favorite
37:20
somehow to win the North. Well, you believe in Pittsburgh.
37:25
Well, no. You believe in Cleveland.
37:31
I believe in more than I did to start the season.
37:34
To win the division. I said I believe in the more
37:36
than I did to start the season. Cincinnati.
37:38
Well, they just got Joe Flacco. So you're buying some Cincinnati
37:43
stock? No, I've got enough trying to
37:44
sell. OK.
37:46
But if can Flacco be a Band-Aid till Burrough?
37:48
Because Burroughs not till December, right?
37:51
Browning was so bad. I mean, he was terrible.
37:53
Talk about a miss. I thought a competent backup.
37:55
Well. Trent, we saw him as a competent
37:57
backup, right? And whatever he had, that is
38:00
gone, long gone in a big time way.
38:02
Can he be a Band-Aid? Look at the receivers he's got.
38:07
Right. And throwing up those moon balls
38:10
and making some plays down the field and opening it up a little
38:12
bit. Between the ears of nothing
38:15
else, he's got a huge edge on Browning.
38:17
Maybe I'm. When I first saw it I just kind
38:21
of rolled my eyes, but maybe it is worth a a deeper look at
38:24
Flacco and I have to look at some numbers and see.
38:26
Because if he's back the first week of December, how many is
38:29
that Five games left or 4? Do they play till January 7th
38:33
this year? I think it's later.
38:35
So maybe five games back for Burrell, if they can get him.
38:38
He's such a difference maker. He's one of the best
38:40
quarterbacks in the league. Flacco's numbers are.
38:42
No, they're awful. They're awful. 2 touchdowns, 6
38:45
interceptions. Been sacked 9 times.
38:47
QB rating the traditional one a 60.
38:50
Completion percentage of 58%. Maybe they shouldn't have given
38:53
up on Browning. Lost a couple of fumbles, he.
38:58
Played a lot of football, man. There's a guy who's hanging
39:00
around. Yes, he is.
39:01
Doesn't need to, I wouldn't think.
39:02
Who knows, maybe the circumstances, who knows?
39:05
He needs to. Paycheck, but somebody is going
39:06
to win that division. And so the Ravens are still
39:09
favoured. Steelers are three in one home
39:11
for the Browns. Go to Cincinnati.
39:14
Could we be talking about 5 and one God?
39:17
Pittsburgh Steelers. And.
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They'll get to the playoffs and lose in their first game, even
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at home. With Aaron Rodgers and the
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curtain comes down on a Hall of Fame career.
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Or does it? Our number 2, We'll get into
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baseball with our buddy Matt Snyder, CBSSports.com, pick his
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brain on the series we're watching right now, and then
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we'll talk to Matt Postons on the Big 12, both football and
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basketball. Transplays of the Day Circus
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sports sponsor Miller and Condon talking sports with you on the
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Iowa Sports Radio Network.