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EDP58: Maurie Plant Meet / Berlin Half / Sound Running's The Ten · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast episode 58.
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  I'm joined on our kind of usual, but not exactly the same time
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  slot as usual, thanks to some daylight saving time changes
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  over in Europe. Whereas where Dean and I are
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  located, we stay static year round, which we can unpack in a
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  SEC. So I'll bring in the man who has
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  gone forward an hour. Owen Smith, is that you?
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  Yeah, I literally like, was standing at the edge of the bed
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  this morning before my run because it was like darker.
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  And I was like, wait a minute, I taught the mornings I meant to
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  be brighter. Yeah.
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  So instead of 6, I got up at 6:00 this morning.
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  I really. I got up at 5:00.
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  Is that? Yeah.
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  Yeah, so it was. But as the summer goes, it'll be
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  brighter in the evenings, brighter in the in the mornings.
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  So yeah, it's like the evenings will get brighter now, which is
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  really nice. Like in the middle of summer.
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  It doesn't, it stays bright until like 10:00, which is
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  pretty cool. But yeah, no, it's not the
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  worst. We make, we make things work
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  here. So bit of calculations and all
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  that. But yeah, we've got a time.
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  Source. So then Dean, welcome to you as
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  well. Am I understanding this correct?
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  Was there a vote like a while ago or has there been in the
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  past in WA as to whether to introduce daylight savings or
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  not? There was and it, it played out
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  a little bit like was it the, the Scots wanting to leave the
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  the UKI think they strangely enough, I think people were of
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  the view that the cows wouldn't know when to come home.
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  And so we voted it down. So most of the country do adjust
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  their clocks for daylight savings, but we did, We don't
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  here in WA, which is a bit annoying because, yeah, that
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  extra daylight would be nice. It depends.
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  I don't think everyone makes the most of it in summer, and that's
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  why having it later in end to your day is often a more
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  productive one. But yeah, that's what we're
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  that's what we've got here, Ryan.
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  And it's, it's, I forget Owen's actually going into his daylight
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  saving period and we're just rotating out of ours.
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  Yeah, so the the East Coast will be coming an hour closer to us,
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  and Owen too is coming an hour closer.
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  So like from both sides, they're moving in.
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  I had to I was trying to remember that my mum used to say
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  this analogy. You you spring forward and you
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  fall back as to like how to remember whether the hour goes
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  forwards or backwards. So in spring, I mean this is for
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  UK and Ireland listeners, spring the hour goes forwards in
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  awesome or fall if you American the hour goes back.
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  But obviously that's the body opposite with the seasons in
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  Australia. So we're falling back where we
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  to be adopting. Yeah.
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  It annoys me the way Adelaide is like 30 minute 30.
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  Was it 30 minutes ahead of Melbourne or something?
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  That makes no sense whatsoever. It's really stupid.
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  And so then 2 1/2 hours or 1 1/2 hours to us.
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  Yeah, A. Lot of people have, like when I
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  was in Brisbane, like the compounds work for dead offices
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  in Adelaide and Melbourne. So when daylight savings kicks
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  in it just messes up everything. It's like a pain you do not
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  need. But we made it.
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  We all made it to record at the same time, which is no small
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  feat based on how complicated we just made that.
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  Yeah, spent 5 minutes bamboozling the listeners, so
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  yeah, sorry about that. Well, we've got some good news.
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  We're recording London call in episode 3 this Wednesday coming.
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  So if anyone has any questions for the lads, Jake Smith has
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  just ran bail in half. If anyone's been watching Jake
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  ran to Japan's videos. I'm sure there's plenty of
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  questions to be asking him as always.
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  And Tim's bubbling over nicely. So yeah, look forward to get
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  that one out to you the back end of this week.
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  And you can get in touch via the Instagram or the e-mail
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  easydoublepod@gmail.com. So this episode is pretty big.
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  We had the premiere track meet for the season in Australia in
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  Melbourne, the Murray plant meet.
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  We had some sound running 10,000 meters over in the US and the
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  half marathon in Berlin. As I just touched on, we've got
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  a bit of news, YouTube Diaries and Double Trouble as always.
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  So I guess we'll hear about the training that we've been doing
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  as well. Be rude not to.
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  Will we start with the results over in Melbourne?
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  Seen as that's probably pound for pound as per the listeners
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  are interested the biggest event this weekend.
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  I think so. And before we do that, Ryan,
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  Speak to him about. A big stuff on a nice big stuff
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  for everyone. Even a Biscoff gel.
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  I wonder what that would be like.
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  Yeah, I'll go Biscoff anything, to be honest.
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  We are not as much too much of A tangent to go on.
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  Let's get into the results. Thanks Bix for your support and
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  Murray Plant then. So this one's got a gold label,
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  which if anyone listened to the the Elmgren interview, he
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  alluded to like, oh, isn't there even like a gold label meet down
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  under? So it does cross the ears of the
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  elites in Europe and even in the US because a few of them make
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  the journey over. So there's, I don't know how
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  many, maybe 5-6 guys who'd raced in Poland at the World Indoors
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  the week prior. 67. 6-7, whatever that means.
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  I'm not even getting into that. Kids will be buzzing.
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  So we'll start, we'll go through the results as per how they went
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  on the night chronologically. So I think first up was the
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  men's 3000 meters and I'm not sure this actually made the cut
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  for the stream, which is quite annoying given the caliber of
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  the field and the athletes that were in it.
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  A somewhat unknown guy end up coming out with the wind.
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  Jackson Sharp 74102 from Seth O'Donnell 74111 and Brian Faye
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  the Irishman in 3rd 74285 and then some of the other names who
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  are a bit further down than results.
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  You've got the likes of Jack Rain and Morgan McDonald, Sue
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  Mcswain, Jimmy Hanson amongst others, Adam Goddard and
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  Trippers. So the field was stacked here.
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  And what do you make of Jackson Sharp getting the win over them
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  lot? Yeah.
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  I mean, it's an, it's not a completely unfamiliar name in
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  terms of results, but perhaps put against that field, you
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  would say it is like we saw what Brian Fay did at Will Cross
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  recently. We've seen Seth obviously be
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  very competitive in pretty much all of the domestic races here.
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  And then similarly with Morgan McDonald, you know, he's, you
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  followed his change of coach, you know, he's building form,
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  You know, he's only getting fitter and fitter.
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  So those guys in particular, you assume like if if we were
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  picking a winner before the race, you'd almost guarantee
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  that Jackson Sharp is not who we would have picked, right?
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  Yeah, which we did, didn't we? So I remember I went with Brian
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  Fay. I think I went with Stewie for
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  the romantic story. What did you?
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  Who'd you have, Dean? I think maybe Morgan McDonald
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  had a guess. So I've seen some clips and Seth
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  goes way off the front in true Seth fashion, tries to run them
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  all off the feet and this guy like literally gets him with
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  five meters to go or something. When I seen the clip, I already
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  knew the results. And when I'm looking with 200 to
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  go, you're like, how on earth does he win this race?
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  Like Seth's got it worn. Yeah, his seconds clear at the
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  bell, isn't he? And even along the back
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  straight, it was Jackson Sharp and Brian Faye trailing, running
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  together. Brian Fay, I think, was sitting
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  on Jackson Sharp shoulder, wasn't it?
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  All just right behind him. But the gap looked too big.
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  But I think the commentators caught it pretty well.
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  They could they, you know, like the piano on the back analogy,
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  like Seth was starting to tie up and it was probably between 100
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  metres out and 50 metres out that maybe you just gave them
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  enough of a sniff. And then, yeah, they just closed
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  like freight trains. His form can't do him any
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  justice in in that. Jack Raynor done a lot of
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  unforgiving work in the middle few.
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  He sort of started dragging that second group up to set and then
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  he just dropped off. He probably burnt his matches
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  too early. Bullsham.
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  Yeah. Jackson Sharp, He's a pro
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  athlete with Hoka. He was wearing a Hoka kit.
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  So I think he's probably based in America.
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  Is he? Not sure.
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  I haven't really heard of much of them.
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  Yeah, some clothes. And Saturday, your agent is just
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  caught on the line. The kid looked all right too, I
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  thought. It's clean.
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  Yes, that guy Jackson. He's the second time this year
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  he's run 741 exactly. Bizarrely, in February he
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  finished ninth, bought down the field.
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  Nico Young Negus, Darren Mcelhaney, Ethan Strand, Jodie
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  Beamish. So like standing amongst the
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  best of the best domestically in Australia certainly wouldn't
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  have fazed them with these. He's racing against them lot in
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  the USA. Surely like Seth runs this the
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  wrong way. Like he's not slow.
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  He's got like I think he's around 336 for 1500.
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  So like he's able to like kick, so going out ahead of the pacer,
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  like surely it's a statement, but it's it's a bit like stupid
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  when it doesn't come off. Like I'm sure if he just sits in
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  for like AK and then he's able to like just wind up, he'd
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  probably burn all them off anyway.
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  Makes for boring spectating though.
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  But not even because he's winding it up.
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  Like, yeah, I don't know. I think he wins this if he
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  raises it this matter. You reckon he's not maximizing
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  his Physiology with the way he's going out?
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  Sure. The way he's running it is so,
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  so painful, like going out hard trying to hold and like you've
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  seen the last 150 meters, like he just died a death.
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  And perhaps as well, like they, I think it was mentioned, wasn't
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  it, that the conditions weren't perfect either, right?
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  Like it was a bit breezy. So you're paying a tax every,
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  every lap that you're running the straight into a headwind
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  when you could easily, yeah, be sitting behind someone at least
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  get a bit of a discount on that. But that's got to that's going
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  to take a toll. Yeah, especially as he seems to
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  be getting increasingly scientific with his train and
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  doing his lactates and stuff. And then when it comes to the
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  race is just like, right, let's just fucking get on the limits
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  of this ticker and see how long we can stick it there for.
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  Oh, that was the other thing. Because I was, because I tip
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  Stewie. I looked at this guy's head to
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  He's around 1313 and a 353 miles, so he's quietly ticking
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  along in the US. If you're Stewie, surely you're
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  sort of getting sick again, beaten and you just go to the
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  roads like there's way more money there.
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  He just needs to get more fitter just to hate the threshold
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  training and because like, he is a good runner.
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  He's just, I think he's just lost the legs for the track.
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  Yeah. I mean, I was kind of thinking
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  critically as well, but then I thought when did he sign?
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  Was on like 6 weeks ago or something.
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  He probably needs a good three or four months, see if the
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  change in training can get anything out of him.
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  Maybe in like the the European summer, the outdoors.
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  That'll be maybe when we'll see if the on group are able to get
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  the old Stewie back out. Yeah, it'd be interesting to
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  see. Men's 800 meters was Next up.
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  Luke Boys got the win 14521 from Dan Williams 14616 and a Dutch
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  guy Troy Van Deepen 14619 and 3rd.
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  Not too much to note from me for this, other than the Rinaldi lot
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  who were cleaning up a few weeks ago.
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  I think that is it just Bob Abdul Rahman and Nathan
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  Cumberbatch, the Trinidad guy who were in this race, but they
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  were further down 7th and 8th. So I think they had a fair few
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  guys who raced in the world indoors last week, so maybe
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  they're just over the hill a little bit.
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  Yeah, I mean, it's probably a comment on maybe it gives a bit
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  of an insight into how hard it is to travel back from from the
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  US and and freshen up in time like I mean these guys are.
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  Yeah, like you say, maybe it's it's peaking, but also just the
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  the the travel must have taken you regime takes quite a big
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  toll. Yeah, because what they race,
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  they were the race Saturday in Europe and then Saturday to
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  Saturday in Australia. One of these is complete travel.
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  That being said though, and I know Owen, you in particular
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  love talking about triathlon, but did you see Christian
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  Blumenfelt what he did in the last week Say he raced in
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  Geelong, he he raced. So three weeks ago he raced a
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  full line man in New Zealand, then he went over to Geelong 2
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  weeks later did a 70.3, beat two of the best triathletes in the
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  world, one of them being Hayden Wild and then he went all the
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  way to his Oceanside in the US six days later raced again and
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  beat everyone in that. So whatever he did he managed to
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  recover in time within six days and do 2 half Iron Man's and
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  beat the and run some of the fastest run splits in half Iron
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  Man history. So I don't know he was doing
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  something wrong. Yeah, he is a he's a freak, but
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  I presume he flew like first class from Australia to America,
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  which helps when you can stretch it.
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  The whole thing is being like stuck in that one position for
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  hours and hours and hours, whereas he can like literally
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  recline life fully parallel with the floor like he is.
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  It's grand. You're well up.
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  Like you've seen Georgia Bell her video on Instagram.
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  She. Did say living?
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  The life on them flights, like there's no jet lag, you're OK
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  like. Cattle class, it's a bit
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  different, you reckon? Yeah.
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  It does a lot of that. Strange analogy, but you you
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  reckon Dean Runners are a bit like footballers, As in soccer
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  players like Premier League princesses and triathletes are
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  more like the AFL breed but rough and ready.
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  I don't know. I mean whatever.
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  I mean the Christian so scientific and calculated and
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  he, he speaks about it on the podcast.
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  He was speaking about it on a podcast I was listening to.
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  He was going into how we, he did a block of training and then
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  would peak for these series of races and like in terms of
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  training load, how he was managing his four or five days
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  of travel and all those sorts of things.
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  So maybe maybe it's a bit of a mix.
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  I think these guys look, did they potentially peak for
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  indoors and then and then maybe not recover in time or
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  prioritize recovery? I, I, I don't know.
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  And it's probably a mixture of all those things.
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  And then like I would mentioned, probably how you're travelling
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  like these, these guys, would they be prioritizing it as much
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  as they were indoors? I wouldn't have thought so.
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  It's probably an opportunity for a bit of a payday, just as I
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  guess. Georgia Hunt Georgia Hunter Val
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  did not come across here because she wants to run a fast 1500.
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  She came across because she was getting paid a shit load of
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  money. I'd say she didn't come across
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  to lose either though. I bet you that wasn't in the
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  plan. They had delighted fun.
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  Jocks the women's 3K. Owen, your mate won this one.
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  Rosie Davis. Rosie Rosie Davis in 845 from
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  Modi Sky Ring close 2nd 847 and Georgia Griffith 848 and it's
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  worth mentioning Corafi and Ryan 4th given that she was she ran
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  with these girls for such a long period of the race.
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  So I did actually see this one and it's funny because like more
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  the the way she, she probably suffers just as much as anyone
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  else, but she certainly shows it a lot more.
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  Like it looks like she's genuinely got a gun on her jaws,
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  like a teeth of grit and her jaws to the side.
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  And if whoever's racing against her is able to like glance up at
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  the big screen at any point when the cameras on her, that must
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  certainly give them like a bit of encouragement because she can
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  see how much pain she's in and like fair play to her.
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  Quite ironically as well, she's the first one to kind of take it
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  on. I think it was like 600 meters
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  out. So when she done that, they kind
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  of detached Karthi and Ryan. So it was down to the three of
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  them and then Rose and Georgia, whether they let Mordy stay on
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  the front or whether they were just kind of holding on at this
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  point, they let her take it to fingers about 200 to go anyway.
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  And then Rose made their move on that 200 out.
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  And surprisingly to me, Georgia didn't go with her because Rose
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  didn't just go ahead of Mordy. She kind of put two or three
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  meters there straight away. So then when you see that
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  Georgia failed to kind of bridge that gap, it was just Rose's
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  race from that point. She just had to close up the up
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  the finishing straight, which she did.
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  So she comes from like the the 5K10K point of view.
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  She's got the 5000 meter national record and George's
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  she's the actual 3000 meter record holder.
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  So you could say the race favored her in that sense.
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  But I mean, they're all kind of as good as each other and it's
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  just who's there on the night. Yeah, and I think Rose didn't
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  have the most straightforward like build up for this.
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  Like I think she was injured and I think she was sick a while
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  back. So for her to come out and be
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  firing and like take the scalps of like Georgia and Marty,
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  that's a it's pretty good going and it's good showing like early
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  season for Rose, like it is only March or April soon.
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  But like, yeah, she'll have a good summer hopefully.
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  Should be aiming for calm games I'd say.
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  Would she? You assume so that's like the
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  main target. I would, I would think other
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  than World indoors that was just on right.
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  That's the main track crescendo I think outside of the Diamond
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  leagues for this year for Aussies.
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  Probably if anything, rather than like a crystal angle for
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  Modi, like that's a really good result to finish ahead of
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  Georgia. So I'd say she'd be buzzing with
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  that. I was before we go into the next
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  result. I was listening to the let's run
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  a lot before their recap last week of the world indoors and
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  good old Jonathan Gaul. He he always words a lot better
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  than me, like as in he's he's done his biggest losers of the
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  meat and in brackets like kind of.
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  But he referenced Jess Hall's failure to obtain a gold medal.
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  You're doubling down on that one.
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  So I might have to shoot my message and say thanks for
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  listening. John, I appreciate your support
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  and. What was his?
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  What was? His What was his take?
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  Was it the same? He's rubbed all my points.
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  Yeah, you're saying that the absence of the main competitors
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  and she's meddled so many Times Now.
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  She's 20. I didn't reference age, but he
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  said she's 29. So like, she's kind of in the
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  peak of her career. Obviously, you can't race
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  forever. Just acknowledging it was a good
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  opportunity for a gold medal. Are they wrong like she?
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  I think if she want the gold medal, she just put all her eggs
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  in one basket. Like the the way the event was
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  laid out was going to be really hard to win both.
• 24:35
  And in the end she won none, which is pretty.
• 24:39
  I don't know. I think if you're just so like
• 24:40
  you want to win these now, you're at that level and when
• 24:43
  there's no faith, keep your egg on.
• 24:44
  Like when else are you going to do it?
• 24:50
  I saw something today from CDs Mag, I think it was that
• 24:54
  released it. I don't know if you guys saw it,
• 24:56
  that it was a shout out to Jess Hull because she's raced every
• 24:59
  major global Championship since 2019.
• 25:03
  She has indeed her, she missed some cross country and Belarus
• 25:09
  or something like that, some world championship in Belarus.
• 25:13
  So you can subscribe that one. I think, I think maybe the
• 25:18
  comment there is that her performance is now a reflection
• 25:23
  of consistency over a good period of time and that she
• 25:26
  rocks up and races race as well. Obviously Rojo was buzzing with
• 25:35
  that element. You know, she gets he gets
• 25:39
  really offended when people don't go to the the meats,
• 25:42
  doesn't he? He was, he was back and he was
• 25:46
  just a finer. Good on Roger.
• 25:51
  Chair Men's Men's 1500 meters. This was the narrative is that
• 26:01
  Cam Myers is just the if not the global Starboy is certainly the
• 26:05
  domestic Starboy 330.42 out there by himself 7 second margin
• 26:13
  to 2nd place and the recent bronze medalist at the world
• 26:17
  indoors. I'll ask you about that in a
• 26:20
  minute for Adam Spencer in 2nd 337 and Callum Davis also making
• 26:25
  it onto the podium in what was a deep field.
• 26:28
  So I think that's a good step up from Carl Davis 33903.
• 26:34
  It was a deep field for the first like 200 meters and then
• 26:39
  three of the main people fell, so it comes not so deep.
• 26:47
  Yeah. So what happened there?
• 26:50
  I don't even know I I don't know who fell or who could have to,
• 26:54
  but three of the big guns, Jack Anstee, Robert Farrakhan, Jude
• 26:58
  Thomas, and then turning croak and as well, they all hit the
• 27:01
  deck, which I would have loved to seen Jude Thomas because he's
• 27:05
  erased in a while and you don't watch shake.
• 27:07
  He's in like he could have pushed Count Myers under that
• 27:09
  3:30. If any of them boys are in it,
• 27:11
  especially Robert Farrakhan, like he's not coming from
• 27:13
  America to to just play character like he's going to try
• 27:19
  and win. So it's disappointing that they
• 27:21
  all hit the deck. And, and remember the comments
• 27:25
  we're making about Jack Anstey, right?
• 27:27
  In terms of wanting an opportunity to send a message,
• 27:31
  that'd be real shame. Hit a point to Bros.
• 27:38
  It'd be Falcon gossip. I was going to go there.
• 27:47
  It's a cheap joke. Nasty joke.
• 27:49
  It was. But hang on, comes run, go on.
• 27:54
  No, yeah, that's what I was going to take it to.
• 27:57
  At the risk of quoting something else I saw on the Internet
• 28:00
  that's inaccurate, but I did say some stats on fastest times ever
• 28:05
  in before. Is it like run up to May of each
• 28:09
  year? Because obviously the season
• 28:12
  more or less kicks off around the European summer or Northern
• 28:16
  Hemisphere summer. And I think this might be one of
• 28:19
  the fastest time. Like on that list was like Sir
• 28:22
  John Walker from New Zealand and other names from overtime.
• 28:26
  But that 330 low that he ran is like, I think one of the
• 28:30
  fastest, if not the fastest time ever for this time of year.
• 28:36
  Like you'd put your house on it him, he would have won that
• 28:40
  World Indoor 1500 I think 100%. He's just in phenomenal shape at
• 28:45
  the moment. He's like leveled up.
• 28:50
  Yeah. I mean, well, so the guy that
• 28:52
  finished third at that championship was 7 seconds
• 28:56
  behind him. And I know the travel, we spoke
• 28:57
  about the travel, but it would it be 7 seconds of jet lag?
• 29:02
  Would it? Who won it?
• 29:04
  Your man or that Garcia a lot from Spain won the 1500 and then
• 29:07
  Nader was second. Nader was like right behind him.
• 29:11
  Yeah, Garcia, remember the Yeah, Mario or is it?
• 29:19
  The poor man, I was just getting lost in there.
• 29:21
  Yeah, the non on one. Yeah, I was just getting lost in
• 29:26
  Kam Strava then because a little a little bad, he told me.
• 29:30
  Done 4 by 5 minutes at LC-1 straight after this race.
• 29:33
  So I was going through straw. Let's see if you could see it on
• 29:36
  there, which you can. So that's an in the words of
• 29:42
  like Om ITU verified. But yeah, straight from the win
• 29:46
  here, 330 to 4 by 5 minutes, three, 15320 pace.
• 29:56
  What's your question on? I was going to say what pace.
• 30:01
  Yeah. What do you think about 3:15 as
• 30:03
  LT1? Yeah, like it's, it's not like
• 30:08
  her. Like you see, like your man,
• 30:09
  like Phil Sassman and he's doing like, I don't know, like 3
• 30:13
  minute kilometers for God knows how long.
• 30:18
  But then Cam is a 1500 meter guy so I would have thought it'd be
• 30:21
  faster to be honest. Yeah, it was interesting.
• 30:26
  I mean, someone we had coffee with recently, Ron was talking
• 30:29
  about how difficult it is to be very precise with the LT1.
• 30:33
  Like where is that inflection point and that point of is it
• 30:37
  fat oxidization versus LT1? And then the more what seems
• 30:42
  more universal measurement of LT2, like I wonder it's, it
• 30:47
  seems, I don't know, it sounds a degree.
• 30:50
  There might be a degree of subjectivity or variance in how
• 30:53
  people measure it. But importantly that would be
• 30:56
  very aerobic for him I would imagine and conservative, which
• 31:00
  is is cool to hear that people are doing a lot of work at that
• 31:03
  aerobic intensity. And he does so much of his
• 31:08
  day-to-day training like that, I mean, granted, probably a bit
• 31:12
  faster where he's doing his like K reps and stuff, but he's a big
• 31:16
  double threshold guy, isn't he? And very conservative with
• 31:20
  distributing his effort and stuff.
• 31:22
  So it's interesting. Like it's definitely piqued my
• 31:25
  curiosity as to how people can get so fit off being so
• 31:29
  controlled and so sensible and training.
• 31:33
  You can say that, detach from the ego.
• 31:35
  I can say that in the way you're approaching it, you're very
• 31:38
  sensible on Saturday. Sounds sarcastic, but I don't
• 31:44
  think it actually is. No, it's not genuine on
• 31:46
  Saturday. What I got lost in in his Strava
• 31:54
  though because of a run he's done today and I clicked into
• 31:57
  the comments. This is quite funny.
• 31:59
  So he's just done a 6K run this evening?
• 32:03
  Like his is easy double and Christian all.
• 32:07
  Rickson's commented saying King give us the schedule for Diamond
• 32:11
  League and track summer need to get the Cam van ready and and
• 32:17
  he's replied saying isn't he just named all of his Diamond
• 32:20
  League races. He's going to Carl Ruth
• 32:23
  Stockholm, Oslo, Paris pre and com games boom.
• 32:28
  And then Christian says I want a world record that the Mile in
• 32:32
  London kick party against care last 20.
• 32:35
  Meters shit. That'll be so good.
• 32:41
  That's. Good, some good heart.
• 32:44
  Some other fellas asked them are you running the Australian
• 32:47
  championships in April and he says I won't be ducking.
• 32:52
  He's fired up. You reckon that's a reference to
• 32:58
  something? Maybe an indirect one.
• 33:02
  I'm buzzing he's he's planning on doing COM games.
• 33:06
  That'll be good. And then, yeah, we we did have
• 33:11
  the Josh Care Mile deeper in the agenda, but we might as well
• 33:13
  talk about it now. I'd never clue what that was for
• 33:18
  ages. When it's like 222 I was like,
• 33:21
  what is he on about? And then two makes sense.
• 33:24
  Too long a bow, isn't it? Yeah.
• 33:27
  Like fucking hell no. And it's not like it's not a
• 33:32
  bespoke. So for context for listeners,
• 33:35
  there was there's been an announcement, is it by Brooks?
• 33:38
  Is it by a sponsor? It's about 6 different media
• 33:41
  outlets I think, yeah. Yeah, just to say that he's
• 33:45
  attempting the and it's like they're breaking 2 project, but
• 33:48
  it's it's being referred to as the is it 222 project.
• 33:52
  So the the he's attempting to run a world record for the mile
• 33:58
  in the London Diamond League. And to do that, he needs to run
• 34:04
  is it 3 minutes and 42 seconds, which equates to 222 seconds.
• 34:10
  And so the reference clustered across the Internet is 222.
• 34:17
  It's just click baity. Yeah, Is anything for a bit of
• 34:22
  no, not a bit of attention as in his attention seeking, but more
• 34:26
  so from the brand to like package it up and market it this
• 34:29
  way. Like, why isn't it good enough
• 34:31
  to just say you're going to you're going to chase a world
• 34:33
  record that's been almost in well, that has been impossible
• 34:36
  to get by. Just says.
• 34:40
  Not they type that straight into AI, and that's what AI spit out.
• 34:45
  Like, give me a fun, quirky way to say we're going to break them
• 34:48
  all. Record.
• 34:49
  Yeah, that's all. If it makes it mainstream, then
• 34:53
  it's probably had quite the effect and it's got us talking.
• 34:58
  Like whereas if you're saying you you're going to run a world
• 35:01
  record or you're going to shoot for a world record at a Diamond
• 35:03
  League event, like is that not what you watch Monaco for?
• 35:08
  Like it seems like that doesn't get you as it doesn't catch your
• 35:13
  eye as much as this has. So maybe it's the right thing.
• 35:18
  Just sounds like. It risks though, and maybe I'm
• 35:21
  wider the mark here, but if they're trying to captivate the
• 35:25
  wider audience as in like the non core athletic fans, it risks
• 35:30
  almost missing the point of the fact that he's run like the
• 35:34
  fastest time ever a world record and people just getting caught
• 35:38
  up in this 222 thing like how many seconds it's taken.
• 35:42
  Forget about that. Just look about the fastest
• 35:45
  times ever run on the planet. Those 222 get him the world
• 35:51
  record. So is the world record like 342
• 35:55
  high or like what is it? 43 low like 43.13 I think.
• 36:02
  Yeah, I think that's from anger, Brits and rap.
• 36:06
  That's that Al Guruge fellow, is it?
• 36:08
  Is he still got it? Al Guruge.
• 36:10
  Yeah, I think so. 343.13 yeah so he just needs to get 42342 for a
• 36:22
  mile which is. Bolds to I mean, I guess that's
• 36:29
  that's why they're doing it. But they announced it so early.
• 36:32
  They've kind of put themselves in the firing line because it's
• 36:36
  not as though I mean, yes, care has just won the World
• 36:39
  Championships, the world indoors, but it's not as though
• 36:42
  he's 1,000,000 miles better than anyone else.
• 36:45
  So like someone like Cam or like Cole Hawker, like the Goose,
• 36:51
  they could now target London Diamond Lee, get themselves to
• 36:54
  peak then and know that Josh Kerr is going to give them a tow
• 36:59
  for at least 1500 meters at world record pace.
• 37:04
  I think that's his aim, like that's his aim to get lower to
• 37:06
  people fast guys in that race, because there's gonna be Pacers
• 37:10
  and 100%. So all you need to do is took on
• 37:12
  the train, took in on the train. And then yeah, however long the
• 37:17
  pacer lasts via 406 hundred, whatever, and then it's going to
• 37:21
  be a race. But 100%, like his marketing
• 37:23
  team having a field day, he's 100% going to be doing a YouTube
• 37:26
  series leading up to this, guaranteed.
• 37:29
  Sure. He even posted he had a YouTube
• 37:33
  video lined up my workout pre gold medal, like he had a
• 37:37
  YouTube video filmed. He just needs to get the title
• 37:40
  for it. And then when he won gold, Oh
• 37:43
  yeah, this is the workout done before I won gold.
• 37:45
  Like it's a big definitely enough for big cash grab, but
• 37:49
  you cannot knock it. It's going to be so good in the
• 37:51
  build up. He was actually good over that
• 37:56
  weekend on Instagram, to be fair, like obviously didn't know
• 38:00
  who's going to win gold, but he was doing like, well, 20
• 38:03
  different stories, what he was eating in his little drills and
• 38:06
  strides, a shakeout. He's very open.
• 38:19
  But yeah, I think that's pretty much Murray plant then.
• 38:22
  I mean there was some sprints and stuff, but I'm not
• 38:25
  qualified. Yeah, true.
• 38:32
  Go on. So yeah, there was a women's
• 38:36
  1500 and a few big names in this one were Claudia Hollingsworth,
• 38:42
  Georgia Bell, Sarah Billings, Lyndon Hall, Jayla Hancock,
• 38:46
  Cameron, a few Irish girls, Boy and a Dirty Girl.
• 38:50
  And yeah, from the off it was pretty tactical race and Claudia
• 38:57
  Holland's worth fair he she took it on Georgia hunt Bell tried to
• 39:00
  get her coming down the home straight, but she just didn't
• 39:02
  have the legs. And yeah, big scalp for Claudia
• 39:07
  and I think she sort of found her.
• 39:10
  I'd say she's a better 1500 girl than an 800 girl.
• 39:14
  So again, yeah, it's a good early signs for Claudia.
• 39:19
  So it'll be interesting to see how she goes because she'll
• 39:22
  definitely have a rematch with Georgia for the come games.
• 39:25
  And so this is only round one. But yeah, her like she's just so
• 39:29
  good. Her 800 sort of strength or
• 39:31
  speed really helps the 1500. And when you're being like
• 39:35
  George Hunter Bell, like she's up there.
• 39:38
  And fair enough, she did have the race and the travel in her
• 39:41
  life, so it would have taken taken a little bit out of her.
• 39:44
  But no, Claudia is just, yeah, she's up there with the best.
• 39:48
  And again, she's so, so young. Do you think a bit of a coaching
• 39:53
  masterstroke? It's like I wonder if there's
• 39:55
  anyone new over there having having any input.
• 40:01
  We need to ask him what he's bloody got to do and if she's on
• 40:04
  the on the double threshold or what, how he's got so strong for
• 40:07
  the 15. Yeah, he did say, and I'm sure
• 40:11
  Ben would have, might be saying, but he did just pass a comment
• 40:13
  that Claudia is extremely professional in all that she
• 40:17
  does. So unsurprising.
• 40:20
  And he did show me a sneak peek, you know, on a Monday night,
• 40:23
  like the neuromuscular stuff, like we would have a series of
• 40:27
  drills and things that we would do.
• 40:28
  And the guides do still here, like you see them, Ryan, like
• 40:32
  all the young kids when they rock up and head down to the
• 40:34
  park to do all work on their mechanics.
• 40:38
  He was, yeah, showing some of the stuff they do.
• 40:40
  And it's like that, but incredibly comprehensive.
• 40:43
  So it's cool to see the, oh, you know, all those little 1
• 40:48
  percenters. Paying dividends and to have the
• 40:52
  confidence to run it the way that she did, like knowing she's
• 40:55
  up against the world champion and to take it on.
• 41:00
  Yeah, yeah. You think some people would just
• 41:06
  be happy coming second, right? Not to have the mentality to
• 41:12
  fight for the win. Exactly what happened to the
• 41:17
  Irish girls. So Sophie O'Sullivan
• 41:21
  particularly is usually a bit more competitive.
• 41:24
  She. Just off the bat from the start,
• 41:26
  wasn't she? She was never really at the
• 41:27
  races and I think she had a pretty rough time recently with
• 41:30
  injuries. And like when you get a chance
• 41:32
  to run and like a goal, they will meet, you're going to take
• 41:34
  it. And but the doctor girl who came
• 41:37
  night like fair enough around 4:14.
• 41:39
  But the range on this one, she just ran New York there a couple
• 41:42
  of weeks ago. She came forth New York half,
• 41:46
  which was, yeah, it's pretty good.
• 41:50
  Again, nice little holiday all to Australia.
• 41:52
  You wouldn't say no, but yeah, just again, like it was such a
• 41:55
  good meet. There was such a good level of
• 41:57
  athletes in every single event. It's a shame.
• 41:59
  Like in the stream I was watching, they did go back and
• 42:03
  show the Men's Tree K, but they didn't show it live.
• 42:06
  So you already knew the results, which like still.
• 42:10
  And it's just savage to have like a race of that caliber,
• 42:14
  like only if it was in Perth. It's just that perks to
• 42:17
  Melbourne is a very, very long flight.
• 42:20
  But now, yeah, Callie. On the clip I've seen of the end
• 42:27
  of that 3K, you can like the crowd.
• 42:30
  Separately, the crowd looked on rail.
• 42:31
  To be fair, the stand was packed on the fence.
• 42:34
  They were about 5D, and everyone's like, going mad as
• 42:38
  Seth's coming up the straight. And then you can't, like, with
• 42:42
  the naked eye immediately from every angle, at least tell who
• 42:46
  actually got it because it was that close.
• 42:48
  So like it goes from yeah, yeah, yeah to like, oh, and then like,
• 42:53
  everyone's kind of like looking around for the actual official
• 42:56
  results. Yeah, it did look like, look
• 43:01
  like people got their money's worth from going down to an
• 43:03
  athletic spanked in there, which is cool.
• 43:06
  Like that's, you know, it wasn't that long ago where those sorts
• 43:13
  of mates were poorly attended. The atmosphere wasn't there, the
• 43:16
  facilities weren't set up to cater for people coming down.
• 43:19
  So yeah, good, good, good state of athletics.
• 43:25
  And perhaps, I don't know, see what you guys think, but maybe
• 43:28
  an observation is, you know, like the the reach, the the
• 43:31
  other mates that they have, the broader series.
• 43:33
  Is it worth having that that full continental suite?
• 43:36
  Or is it better just to have one or two less?
• 43:41
  But really try and invest in the the ones that they do do.
• 43:44
  And I don't know how they make them more more special, but you
• 43:48
  know, like that Zatopec mate seems to be an exceptional mate.
• 43:52
  The Morrow plant mate does very well.
• 43:54
  Like if they somehow get some sort of key sponsor for each one
• 43:58
  and there's one or two more, maybe that's because this is
• 44:02
  just like a so exceptionally better, isn't it?
• 44:08
  It is clear standards and yeah, like was it Perth, Hobart and
• 44:13
  Adelaide they've had this year, which maybe have been a little
• 44:17
  underwhelming, not in comparison because you can't compare, but
• 44:22
  even but you can to their own expectations.
• 44:27
  But even say compared to Perth mate versus what the atmosphere
• 44:30
  was like for Nationals in April last year.
• 44:34
  But I think you're comparing like a Premier League game to
• 44:37
  like a League 2 game. Like there is a golf like that
• 44:40
  Murray plant meet, there is a goal label, you're going to get
• 44:43
  the big names, there's big money in it.
• 44:44
  Whereas the person, I think it's a challenger or something like
• 44:46
  that, like it is meant for the lower level athlete.
• 44:50
  And I think in my opinion, I think it's very good that
• 44:53
  they're in because it brings people to Perth, it brings
• 44:56
  people all around Australia and it's just it's hard to get the
• 44:59
  level of athletes there the whole time.
• 45:01
  Like who was there? There was a really good, she's
• 45:05
  possibly Puma. She was nearly at every single
• 45:07
  one of them. Was it Linda?
• 45:07
  No, it wasn't Linden Hall. There was someone else and I
• 45:13
  forgot her name. She's nearly all them.
• 45:18
  But. Cameron, she's always.
• 45:20
  No. She's 100.
• 45:22
  Girl called off. I'll be Caldwell, she done
• 45:29
  literally all the except I don't know why she wasn't here.
• 45:32
  She only got injured or something for like.
• 45:35
  I think it is really good to have all them athletes coming
• 45:38
  around to different parts of Australia and it's just you're
• 45:41
  never going to get everyone at these events.
• 45:46
  Should we mention that? The smaller ones that gets.
• 45:54
  The Paul Vault. She's back Nina, Nina back in
• 46:00
  action. She won the Paul vault.
• 46:03
  Great results. Back with a bang.
• 46:08
  Have to support my friendship. Should we do the discus whilst
• 46:10
  you're on it? Yeah, I thought you were going
• 46:11
  to talk about Gaga in the 200, but.
• 46:15
  He didn't win either, did he? No, he didn't.
• 46:21
  Yeah, yeah, the little ego check.
• 46:26
  Yeah, it's good. It's good, that sort of stuff.
• 46:28
  Not not to say it's got an ego, but it's good to say that
• 46:30
  there's a good domestic color. But I think they're lucky.
• 46:33
  Kennedy Didn't he win a World Indoor 60m pedal?
• 46:38
  Oh yeah, did did he win gold? I thought maybe he just got
• 46:42
  pipped and got silver, but he's pretty classy, so I feel like
• 46:48
  it's probably good for someone like Gout's development.
• 46:51
  Young kid, you don't get too carried away if you're not
• 46:54
  winning. Yeah, and it's half of it isn't
• 46:57
  even Gout himself, It's the. No, it's just.
• 47:01
  The general media and whatever, yeah, the reputation that.
• 47:04
  Exactly. So it's dampens everyone's
• 47:06
  expectations on him, allows him hopefully just to focus on
• 47:10
  getting better. He's a world indoor silver
• 47:13
  medalist. Lachlan Kennedy, Yeah.
• 47:15
  Yeah. So pretty pretty reasonable,
• 47:19
  albeit that he was running triple the distance.
• 47:23
  Yeah. So that's done.
• 47:27
  Bell in half, next on the agenda.
• 47:31
  Yeah, there was a good live stream for this one, as is often
• 47:36
  the case with a lot of these European races, don't you think?
• 47:39
  Like mainly in Europe perhaps. I mean, London's done well and
• 47:44
  some of these races have some good strains to it, but there's
• 47:48
  a lot of these these top tier European races that have a great
• 47:55
  a great stream. And it's some of those classic
• 47:58
  British commentators that are are calling the shots, which
• 48:03
  which is always familiar voices that have a background in
• 48:07
  running, which makes following the events a lot of fun.
• 48:13
  Did you guys catch any of this race and or see the finish in
• 48:17
  particular? No, I haven't but see the
• 48:21
  results. I'll paint a picture.
• 48:24
  I've seen the finish and it pissed me off so much.
• 48:27
  So, so, so this is what happened right?
• 48:29
  So there was 22 pace groups. One was set for about maybe 5830
• 48:40
  pace and then one was set for about 5915 pace thereabouts.
• 48:45
  And you the paces are setting up the race for for the 2 fields.
• 48:52
  The German record holder had one.
• 48:54
  It's like a pacer for himself. Yes, that was 1A German record
• 48:58
  or something like that. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
• 49:01
  And so although there was some comments ahead of the race
• 49:05
  saying he was going to take on Armstrong's record and the
• 49:08
  commentators seemed to the the commentators in my from what I
• 49:12
  caught, didn't seem to be completely across what was what
• 49:15
  he was shooting for other than to say he's looking like he's in
• 49:17
  trouble because he so Petros, who was the German favorite and
• 49:23
  the you see the reigning world marathon champion.
• 49:27
  He he was he fell off the back of the Packer back of the second
• 49:33
  group. But the pacemaker that was set
• 49:36
  up for him set like was would go with him.
• 49:38
  Talking to him was making sure he was OK.
• 49:43
  But and then he was more or less oscillating off the back of that
• 49:46
  second group. There was a league group of what
• 49:48
  whittled down after the pacemakers to three at the front
• 49:52
  and then there was some long stretches.
• 49:53
  Because this is this Berlin half Marathon, I think it must run
• 49:56
  similar route to the Berlin Marathon, but it's a very well
• 50:00
  manicured type course. It looked a bit breezy but
• 50:05
  otherwise looked like the weather looked pretty good.
• 50:09
  The top three were running. It's got the longest finish
• 50:14
  straight in like running races. I think the fingers finishing
• 50:17
  straight it's like 2.5 K of just straight Rd.
• 50:20
  Yeah, and, and even leading up to that, they did one U-turn
• 50:24
  before that as well. Like, and otherwise it was like
• 50:26
  some pretty straight going as well.
• 50:28
  Like it looks, it looks made for for running fast and the times
• 50:33
  reflected that. And so the lead group of three
• 50:36
  ended up dropping down to two. One of the one of the one of the
• 50:40
  guys who was one of the favourites just stepped off,
• 50:43
  looked like he was grabbing at his calf perhaps.
• 50:46
  But you could see this on this long stretch of Rd.
• 50:48
  Petros had maybe reformed with his pacemakers help onto that
• 50:52
  chase group and he was more or less working with this chase
• 50:55
  group. And then the pacemaker just
• 50:58
  decided to, he was like talking to Petros and then talking with
• 51:01
  the guys, but looked very comfortable.
• 51:03
  He then bridged the gap up to the top 2 and as he's bridging
• 51:08
  the gap, the the guy that was leading Kiptu ended up running
• 51:14
  away from yeah, stretching a gap on on the other person that was
• 51:21
  there and basically gapped him and was making his making his
• 51:28
  bid for the finish. And then the pacemaker ends up
• 51:31
  running up to running up to Kip 2 and then it and is looking
• 51:37
  ridiculously comfortable. He's got pace written over his
• 51:39
  bib, and then he turn. He turns to.
• 51:42
  Lindsay without Petrus, he's just runs up.
• 51:45
  Petrus is still with the second group at this point.
• 51:48
  He's just free. He's just free styling.
• 51:50
  The the guys are running like 250 odd K pace and this guy's
• 51:54
  picked it up and then this guy's bridging the gap turns to him,
• 51:57
  starts talking to him. He's smiling and this is about
• 52:01
  1819 KS at 20 KS. He knuckles him, you know like a
• 52:06
  little fist pump and then he's talking to it and then proceeds
• 52:10
  to basically just slow down just enough runs side by side with
• 52:13
  him the whole way the butt the pace bikes feel.
• 52:16
  I feel like come up and try and say some things at one point in
• 52:19
  time, but then this guy's just still smiling the whole way.
• 52:22
  These guys are running like, like for for context, the, the
• 52:26
  people, the finishers in 3rd and 5th ranked national records and
• 52:31
  this guy's just fist pumping. The guy that's about to win
• 52:34
  steps behind him and then they get the same finish time.
• 52:36
  But the the guy that he Andre Kittu is awarded the win and
• 52:42
  Dennis Kip Kemoy, who was the pacemaker, yeah, is awarded, is
• 52:48
  awarded second with the same time.
• 52:49
  But bizarre. What the hell?
• 52:54
  So looking at the results, you would never know that guy was a
• 52:56
  pacer. And you would never think that
• 52:58
  he was a bloody pacer either. Like you'd think it was one of
• 53:00
  those ones right on the line again.
• 53:03
  They couldn't even. Commentators weren't even sure
• 53:05
  which of the two paces he was so much.
• 53:08
  In, the pacer accidentally crossed the line first.
• 53:11
  But he could have, he could have shitted in like he looked fitter
• 53:14
  than the bloke that one. But he yeah, it was absolutely
• 53:19
  phenomenal. So with the.
• 53:22
  Just on them time, so that's 5911 is the winning time and the
• 53:27
  pacemakers time. So Jack Rayner just ran the
• 53:31
  Aussie record in what, 5953 or something?
• 53:35
  Yeah. So he's just moonwalked 40
• 53:39
  seconds faster than it. Yeah.
• 53:42
  The British record sits in between them and the US record
• 53:46
  that just looked kind of man's 5950, and so he's run faster
• 53:50
  than so many national records. Yeah, and he was just, they're
• 53:54
  just doing a tow and then decided to pick it up because he
• 53:57
  was feeling good, like Petros ran a national record.
• 54:01
  He was stoked. He finished third that Dominic
• 54:05
  Labalu, I think he's Swiss, but I'm pretty sure.
• 54:09
  I don't know, has there was talk of that being a Swiss record,
• 54:12
  but I'm sure. Oh, what's his name?
• 54:15
  Julian Wanders is Swiss and has run quicker.
• 54:18
  I think he's run like 5913, so I don't know about that, but I
• 54:22
  know that. Yeah, that Etienne, is it too
• 54:26
  good, too good knee? That was, that was I think a
• 54:29
  French national record. There was a couple of French
• 54:32
  Frenchmen that were running, yeah, Bastion, Augusto.
• 54:35
  So they ran 5927 and 6009 respectively.
• 54:42
  They were, they were very competitive, like deep field,
• 54:47
  very impressive the the the degree depth in that race.
• 54:52
  But yeah, just that whole exchange and I think the
• 54:54
  commentator made a good point like with the pacemaker being up
• 54:58
  there in the win at the win, like, I don't know, it's true.
• 55:04
  It's difficult. Should a pacemaker be allowed to
• 55:06
  win? I don't know, like because if
• 55:09
  you've got a pace written on your bib and you assume then
• 55:12
  don't you as a racer that you don't have to contest with them
• 55:16
  And so then your strategy on how to win does not factor in that
• 55:20
  person. Would you agree?
• 55:21
  So therefore it's a bit misleading to come in and say
• 55:25
  you're pacemaking these people, then throw down their moves to
• 55:27
  try and beat the people they think they need to beat, and
• 55:30
  then you run over the top of them.
• 55:31
  Albeit that someone else could get to point A to point from
• 55:36
  point A to point B quicker than you feels feels deceptive.
• 55:41
  Yeah, I agree. And particularly pre race as
• 55:44
  well. Like if you're one of the top
• 55:47
  athletes in the race and you're trying to figure out how you can
• 55:49
  beat everyone else and this isn't a case of just running
• 55:52
  faster than them because you're all as fast and as fast as each
• 55:56
  other and tactics and strategy come into it.
• 55:59
  So if you're not concerned about the pacemaker at all, then yeah,
• 56:05
  it affects your decision making massively.
• 56:07
  Before the race, you conversations with your coach.
• 56:11
  Have you guys looked at his World Athletics profile?
• 56:16
  Who is he's agent? No, it doesn't show his.
• 56:19
  Isn't he literally you're going to 2024 nothing, 2025 results
• 56:25
  nothing, 2026 results, that one. So you're saying buy a stock
• 56:32
  now? Future world record holder?
• 56:34
  More talent. You can buy your stock firm to
• 56:37
  win or buy them stuff to get something else for him.
• 56:41
  I yeah, I don't know about this kid.
• 56:44
  Like the way he fist bumped and he was just so chill.
• 56:47
  He yeah, the fist bump was something else, wasn't it?
• 56:52
  Yeah, like fuck no. Like that is just a pace take.
• 56:58
  And do you see look, so the guy the guy was so I would yeah, you
• 57:02
  dropped out just as I was giving sharing some of the recaps.
• 57:06
  But like when this like keep 2's making his move right to drop.
• 57:11
  Was he dropping Labalu? Was Labalu running in the lead
• 57:14
  pack in the lead 3 on or did he come?
• 57:17
  And so he's made this move to drop him and he's dropping sub
• 57:20
  250 KS. And the commentators are talking
• 57:22
  about these are the fastest KS the race or the fastest KS like
• 57:26
  this is his decisive move and they all might keep chemo is
• 57:29
  just like, I'll just bridge on up and have a chat to you.
• 57:34
  He made-up so much ground, like the cross was moving.
• 57:38
  He was. Surgery, Yeah.
• 57:39
  And your man kept chemo. Just look at kicks even harder.
• 57:44
  Yeah, Knuckle touches your man and is chilling.
• 57:47
  Nah. Yeah, good.
• 57:48
  Luck get lost yeah, he hasn't even got an agent on world off
• 57:52
  letter No, no. Not yet, nowhere.
• 57:55
  Like how the fuck do you even get a pacing job of doing this?
• 57:58
  Like who is he? What kit do they are on brand?
• 58:02
  Do you always a Puma? Was it?
• 58:07
  I don't know, I just don't like it at all.
• 58:11
  You wonder if they're subject the same regulations as the rest
• 58:16
  of the athletes. What?
• 58:20
  What you mean? Will that be tested after the
• 58:23
  race? Surely but like it's selective.
• 58:27
  I done the national indoors and a lad it was one place ahead of
• 58:31
  me got tested. It's totally spot random like
• 58:37
  the. But yeah, but yeah, now it is.
• 58:41
  But, but do you avoid? Do you avoid that if you're a?
• 58:47
  No. Surely he's on the list if he's
• 58:49
  running even though you don't know what results.
• 58:50
  But he's not even. He's not even got a profile.
• 58:53
  Yeah, but like, you know, like I don't get how you get this gig
• 58:56
  of pacing the German record if you've no history.
• 59:02
  It like it doesn't make sense. Berlin, Martin, is that?
• 59:07
  Yeah, well, no. Did you find his was his World
• 59:13
  Athletics profile? Did it have this race in it?
• 59:16
  Yes, that's how I found him. Then yeah.
• 59:20
  Yeah. Well, in terms of 50. 911 he ran
• 59:30
  5911, Yeah. Yeah, quicker than the American
• 59:33
  record, quicker than the Aussie. They Yeah, quicker than the
• 59:38
  bloke that just won the world gold for the marathon.
• 59:43
  So yeah, pretty impressive, pretty impressive pacing job.
• 59:47
  Arguably the best pacing job ever.
• 59:50
  Best debut pacing job ever? Probably.
• 59:53
  Oh, he might have another one here, boys.
• 59:55
  He might actually have two. There's 2 Dennis Keep Chemoys
• 1:00:00
  and he actually might have two. Yeah, with the other one.
• 1:00:05
  Is that with one end, Denny and Dennis?
• 1:00:12
  Oh yeah, I didn't actually know. It's not.
• 1:00:16
  But I mean still could be the same guy.
• 1:00:19
  Yeah. While you look at that, just
• 1:00:22
  notice. This is different value.
• 1:00:24
  He ran 1/2 marathon on the 21st of March and he ran 67-O2.
• 1:00:30
  He's gone quick, quick. Yeah.
• 1:00:39
  Other notice notable performances.
• 1:00:42
  We obviously had London callings Jake Smith in the field and did
• 1:00:48
  you see on his Instagram he posted that his plan of attack
• 1:00:51
  was, I think he mentioned no taper.
• 1:00:56
  Was it shoot for around just sub 63 was the plan and hopefully he
• 1:01:00
  can run a bit stronger in the second-half than the first.
• 1:01:02
  So it sounds like a controlled effort.
• 1:01:05
  I did see on one of the guys that was racing their Instagram
• 1:01:09
  page that they shout they were gave a shout out to Jake for
• 1:01:13
  doing a lot of work into the wind.
• 1:01:15
  So he obviously was. Yeah.
• 1:01:17
  So he must have been helping a few guys out and it's it, it
• 1:01:23
  looked as though, did you see him finish?
• 1:01:24
  I saw him finish and looked like he finished very well.
• 1:01:26
  So he must have been in control from how it looked.
• 1:01:33
  Yeah, he seems to have been buzzing with it.
• 1:01:35
  Like comfy. 62 was like 62. Oh, something in the end, given
• 1:01:43
  a little fast. Yeah.
• 1:01:44
  Yeah, I think so, yeah. Shivers.
• 1:01:51
  And yeah, he's, he's good on Instagram.
• 1:01:53
  He always puts like about 10 stories from each race or even
• 1:01:57
  each session, but he's very open with it all.
• 1:02:01
  I think he's he's even said like he was talking throughout and he
• 1:02:04
  was having a laugh and stuff. So shows how comfortable it was.
• 1:02:08
  Which I do think, like I always thought that threshold pace is
• 1:02:14
  our pace. It's what you mean to maintain
• 1:02:16
  for an hour. And our effort, I thought was
• 1:02:20
  around that 4:00-ish millimole. And you do know you're working
• 1:02:24
  hard, but you're not completely exhausted to that pace.
• 1:02:27
  So I think that's always a good sign.
• 1:02:29
  Like, I remember when I heard Jimmy Wheelan talk about his
• 1:02:32
  race, race recap of the was it the Valencia half that he did?
• 1:02:39
  Yeah. And him talking about how
• 1:02:41
  comfortable that felt. But I think that's how it's
• 1:02:43
  meant to feel which. 3 millimol apparently, by the way.
• 1:02:49
  Is there? PT or.
• 1:02:52
  No. Are you talking about our chat
• 1:02:54
  on Friday night? Yeah, we'll see.
• 1:02:57
  Yeah, TVC again. On that, on that hour thing.
• 1:03:03
  So. Obviously if you're.
• 1:03:05
  If it's an hour's efforts, it's going to feel pretty easy for a
• 1:03:09
  long period of that hour. So typically, if you were to
• 1:03:14
  race 1/2 marathon, at what point would you start getting
• 1:03:19
  uncomfortable? And then hair.
• 1:03:20
  And if you were to be able to be in control of measuring it out,
• 1:03:24
  all right. Well, just personally, I always
• 1:03:27
  find that window between 40 and 45 minutes the hardest.
• 1:03:32
  Like you normally 1st 5K, hopefully if it's going to plan,
• 1:03:36
  should feel alright. 10K starts to get hard, then that 14 to 16
• 1:03:41
  K is the worst bit. And then once you've been
• 1:03:44
  inside, yeah. And then it's that last at some
• 1:03:47
  point you can start to wheel yourself home, but that's that.
• 1:03:50
  At like 40 minutes you're like fuck, I saw it a lot of running.
• 1:03:56
  Speaking of not having a great day, do you see Jimmy Wheelan
• 1:03:59
  ran 60? So he was, I was, I think
• 1:04:02
  everyone was a bit excited giving given how well he coped
• 1:04:05
  with that pacing job, running 3 minute K pace for 25 KS, which
• 1:04:11
  is 65. He pays 63 minute pace for 25 KS
• 1:04:17
  of the Barcelona marathon recently.
• 1:04:21
  So the question was, and he's run 61 minutes already.
• 1:04:24
  So I think the natural question was how much quicker can he go
• 1:04:27
  than his previous PV and what will that look like?
• 1:04:32
  And he ran 65 O 4, so didn't have the day he was hoping to
• 1:04:36
  have. And yeah, so he splits.
• 1:04:40
  It looked like he went through 10K and around that sort of 29
• 1:04:43
  minute pace. Yeah, 29 minutes for 10K, which
• 1:04:47
  would be about 61 flat pace, but it looked it.
• 1:04:52
  Yeah. Obviously didn't go to plan.
• 1:04:54
  He said he'll recap it. I think maybe I'll need one of
• 1:04:56
  his videos. So watch that.
• 1:04:58
  Let's watch this space. Yeah, he's going with the the
• 1:05:03
  Jake Barcliffe approach and keeping his cards close to his
• 1:05:06
  chest so that everyone tunes in to the recap on YouTube.
• 1:05:09
  Yeah. Good marketing.
• 1:05:11
  So then when I seen his story like that, I thought I'll just
• 1:05:15
  go and have a look at his Strava, then see how his splits
• 1:05:17
  went. No, I didn't put it there.
• 1:05:19
  He hasn't even put his run up. But in the if you go into the
• 1:05:23
  results page in the like the tracker, you can find his 5K
• 1:05:27
  splits. I think it was something like
• 1:05:29
  1420 something 14401520. And then the last one was like
• 1:05:36
  could have been 17 minutes. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:42
  So yeah, clearly didn't go to plan.
• 1:05:46
  No good Rica. The women's race, it's hard.
• 1:05:54
  It was harder to follow the women's race, so obviously
• 1:05:56
  cutting into the race the and they they'd spent their time
• 1:06:02
  cutting between the Ester Pfeiffer from Germany, who was
• 1:06:07
  the German favorite, and the top three.
• 1:06:12
  So in the results, the winners were very, very fast.
• 1:06:18
  So Lakina Amebel Amebel from Ethiopia was first in 6507.
• 1:06:28
  I'll just say Gerono and Loli Lolio were second or third from
• 1:06:34
  Kenya in 6521 and 6535. So the top three were all close
• 1:06:43
  for a lot of that race. So obviously mixed in, I think,
• 1:06:45
  with a lot of the men. But yeah.
• 1:06:49
  And Esther Pfeiffer, I think ran, I think that puts her
• 1:06:53
  third. So she was the German, it was
• 1:06:55
  German national championships and she was the the first German
• 1:06:59
  home 5th over the line and that was puts her number three I
• 1:07:03
  think all time. Do you remember is it Kosta,
• 1:07:07
  Kosta House and Kosta Construction?
• 1:07:10
  I'm going to get her name wrong, but there was a German, this
• 1:07:16
  might have been before you from a few years ago.
• 1:07:19
  She was top German runner that ran a fast half marathon.
• 1:07:22
  There's a there's a couple that have run quicker but.
• 1:07:25
  She must be the wife of Does Hemrick Pfeiffer ring a bell to
• 1:07:29
  you? Yeah, and I think was he doing
• 1:07:31
  some of the pacing work? Would that be right?
• 1:07:33
  Maybe, Yeah, I think I saw that in the some of the the footage
• 1:07:38
  that was clipped. That's a a running power couple
• 1:07:42
  if you've ever seen one in it because I'm just he's run 6128
• 1:07:46
  as well, so. Yeah, I think he helped her
• 1:07:49
  throw that because she sort of collapsed over the line into
• 1:07:51
  into someone. And that presumably was him for
• 1:07:56
  context, right? Because I was looking at this,
• 1:08:00
  the top 17 women were all under 70 minutes.
• 1:08:05
  And that's the Valencia half marathon, which I think we often
• 1:08:09
  associate with maybe the deepest half marathon in the world. 15
• 1:08:14
  women broke 70 minutes in that last year.
• 1:08:17
  So I think that's like that's some pretty solid depth.
• 1:08:22
  And you had some pretty good European representation.
• 1:08:26
  Like a Rwandan athlete was fourth, who obviously had German
• 1:08:31
  5th. Belgium, Spain, Italy, France,
• 1:08:36
  all all represented, all those countries represented.
• 1:08:40
  So looked like a very like a good event to be part of.
• 1:08:44
  It'd be interesting to hear what Jake says about it in his recap.
• 1:08:51
  Yeah, oh to oh, to live in Europe and just have such access
• 1:08:55
  to these races. Not bad, is it?
• 1:08:58
  Be easier to get to that from the UK than it would to go to
• 1:09:01
  Melbourne from here. Scary to think, particularly
• 1:09:07
  with the price of fuel here. Well, Speaking of which, on the
• 1:09:12
  been on the news before the pun, bringing in a car, it's getting
• 1:09:16
  that expensive coming down by 26 PA litre.
• 1:09:19
  You wouldn't know though. Well, I only know it because
• 1:09:23
  it's tax jargon. But yeah, there is fuel excise
• 1:09:26
  cuts. But yes, as a there is talk
• 1:09:30
  about in some sort of charge, tax charge on EVs now, which I
• 1:09:36
  think can seems unnecessary. We're trying to promote promote
• 1:09:41
  grain, aren't we? So you try and make a good
• 1:09:45
  change for the environment and then everyone else gets shafted
• 1:09:48
  and then they come to use a foot there.
• 1:09:50
  Bill, what's unbelievable, $3 a litre, The diesel, is it more
• 1:09:58
  than? Yeah, not shape at the minute,
• 1:10:00
  but yeah, no, I wouldn't know, but.
• 1:10:04
  All the young fellas won't be ragging the utes around anymore.
• 1:10:08
  All the more reason to run to work, run to tell people get on
• 1:10:14
  the bike. Economical commute.
• 1:10:16
  That's right. Funny.
• 1:10:18
  Actually on the weekend, we're going out for dinner and we're
• 1:10:22
  like at a set of traffic lights and this car, the lights are on
• 1:10:27
  red and then they tend to green. And he was 10 and left like
• 1:10:30
  immediately as soon as they tend to green.
• 1:10:33
  He's gone from a standing start to fully just drifted round the
• 1:10:37
  corner like 1000. What is?
• 1:10:40
  What is the measurement on the Rev whatever it is like?
• 1:10:43
  Yeah, yeah. Revs.
• 1:10:45
  Yeah, yeah, literally the back end, like, swung round like, and
• 1:10:50
  the way the back wheels are spinning.
• 1:10:52
  He's put treadmarks into the road.
• 1:10:55
  And then you couldn't race it because sat at the red light on
• 1:10:59
  the same junction was a police car.
• 1:11:02
  And he just flew through his lights on, like, mounted the
• 1:11:07
  central reservation because he was in like, one of those utes
• 1:11:09
  ones and just pulled them over right there.
• 1:11:12
  And I was just like, you've never seen a finer example of
• 1:11:16
  instant karma before my life. Love it I you say that was a bit
• 1:11:21
  like Kimmy Antonelli and the Mercedes on the weekend.
• 1:11:26
  Yeah, what's he up to? Japanese is a shout for the
• 1:11:29
  championship. I.
• 1:11:30
  Don't know, but you say they had a bit of wheel spin to begin
• 1:11:33
  with. Yeah.
• 1:11:35
  And so I was getting a bit excited there, thought maybe
• 1:11:37
  Oscar was going to go from DNS ING to winning, but.
• 1:11:42
  Safety card Dunham. Safety card didn't dirty I
• 1:11:45
  reckon but I don't know, he's got more pace doesn't he then
• 1:11:50
  then his team mate. Does.
• 1:11:52
  What they say when we're not bad, when we, when we can make
• 1:11:56
  the start line. Oh, Oscar did.
• 1:11:58
  Yeah. You know, it's good, Yeah.
• 1:12:03
  Anyway. Some more results last ones
• 1:12:05
  10,000 meters in the USA the sound running 10K, which is
• 1:12:09
  often where people go to run fast chase standards because
• 1:12:13
  10,000 meters is probably like the the event or the discipline
• 1:12:17
  with the the fewest opportunities such a long way to
• 1:12:20
  run on the track that you need people around with you and the
• 1:12:25
  times that people are running worldwide they're not all always
• 1:12:29
  in the same place at once to do that.
• 1:12:32
  The women's race was won by, I won't quote from last week.
• 1:12:36
  If you know what he said, then you listened.
• 1:12:38
  Shelby Houlihan in 3050 from Jess McLean of Brooks.
• 1:12:44
  Shelby Houlihan's still unattached there.
• 1:12:46
  It's interesting. She gets a gig on the start line
• 1:12:50
  in all these races, but the brands are still, they won't
• 1:12:53
  pick her up. Jess MacLean, 3150 in second.
• 1:13:00
  And to be honest, that's the only, only other name I know in
• 1:13:03
  that women's field. Sarah Aston from Team Macau was
• 1:13:06
  in the B race. She DNF.
• 1:13:08
  And it seems like Team Macau in general had a bit of a tough day
• 1:13:11
  out. The men's race, Mohammed
• 1:13:16
  Abdulashi sub 27 minutes for the win, Nike athlete 2656 and then
• 1:13:23
  Australia's very own Kai Robinson, OAC 2657.
• 1:13:28
  First ever Australian man to breach the 27 minute barrier.
• 1:13:33
  National record. I'd say surprised not very many
• 1:13:38
  people given what he's been doing the past year or two.
• 1:13:42
  Unbelievable. Yeah, he seemed pretty happy.
• 1:13:47
  And I mean, you, you remember previewing some of this race and
• 1:13:50
  we were talking about is it Gulveer Singh after his
• 1:13:54
  impressive performance on the on the road in the half marathon at
• 1:14:00
  New York. And so and then we all, we
• 1:14:04
  obviously mentioned Woody Kincaid because he's run, he's
• 1:14:08
  got one of the quick, one of the quickest seed times.
• 1:14:10
  But we more or less thought Kyle Robinson would be within a
• 1:14:13
  chance given his 4th place at the recent 5K outdoor is run
• 1:14:21
  under 13 minutes, which you know when we sometimes do that
• 1:14:24
  comparison of double plus a minute, you're running 13 odd
• 1:14:27
  minutes times. 2 is 26 + 1 is 27 flat.
• 1:14:31
  So he but a lot of the Aussies like it wasn't that long ago
• 1:14:35
  where 2720 was about the where the Australian record was at.
• 1:14:39
  Like during COVID, that's what the likes of Pat Tian and Stewie
• 1:14:43
  mixed Wayne were running where they were breaking each other's
• 1:14:47
  national record. So to yeah, to take that below
• 1:14:51
  27 minutes is pretty, is pretty special.
• 1:14:55
  Yeah, so he takes Rayner's record off him.
• 1:14:57
  It was 2709 maybe. I think so.
• 1:15:01
  I think it was around that. Little chunk off.
• 1:15:03
  Yeah, he has. And was that in the same mate,
• 1:15:05
  was it? I mean, it was one of the
• 1:15:07
  American mates that Jack travelled over and ran.
• 1:15:11
  It's one of these highly coveted the place to go and run a fast
• 1:15:15
  time. Yeah, Jack, I'll be looking back
• 1:15:19
  thinking of Fuck I've just If he would have had an entry for this
• 1:15:26
  race in America, you dare say he would have been a fair chance at
• 1:15:29
  defending his record against Sky, given his recent half
• 1:15:33
  marathon national record as well.
• 1:15:35
  I mean, you say that, but look at look at how it played out in
• 1:15:39
  the 3K. Yeah.
• 1:15:44
  But yes, I mean, I in terms of his, his, his fit as well.
• 1:15:48
  So no, you're being unfair to him.
• 1:15:51
  But yeah. Mike Foppin, Dutch guy, he's
• 1:15:55
  been 1500 metre 5K guy stepping up 10 K 2720 finished third
• 1:16:01
  beating Woody Kincaid. Yeah, that's cool.
• 1:16:05
  And then, yeah, the Hawker boys were spread throughout.
• 1:16:08
  So Scott Beatty, well, the team, the Cowboys, he was the highest
• 1:16:13
  finisher for them. 2723 shit's pretty fast.
• 1:16:18
  I think maybe we, I think last weekend we we would have said he
• 1:16:22
  was the the best pick of them. It's interesting, right, because
• 1:16:28
  remember we're having this chat and we're trying to and you're
• 1:16:30
  mentioning is Joe Wickfield the. He's been keeping their
• 1:16:35
  receipts. No, look, I'm, I'm probably
• 1:16:39
  warming to the idea, to be fair. Like, I mean, 27, what did he
• 1:16:43
  run 2738 on the road? And this is in a pretty neatly
• 1:16:48
  manicured track race. You're talking 15 seconds, like
• 1:16:53
  1 1/2 seconds a kilometre. I don't know.
• 1:16:56
  I mean, you, it's you'd. It'd be unfair to say it's not
• 1:17:00
  in the conversation, right? Yeah, and the guy who finished
• 1:17:03
  9th, he's British guy as well. David Malarkey, unattached.
• 1:17:09
  Surely he won't go without a sponsor for too long. 2726 he
• 1:17:15
  beat Australia's Brett Robinson, travelled over short trip in and
• 1:17:19
  out. 2810, Reckon he was looking for a bit more than that.
• 1:17:23
  I think he talked about maybe running the PB, which is 2751.
• 1:17:29
  But Brett's been doing a bit of a track season now and that's
• 1:17:33
  what like his fourth race in quick succession potentially and
• 1:17:38
  a lot of travel as well. Like he flew to Japan quickly
• 1:17:41
  for 1/2 marathon, back to Australia, flew to the US.
• 1:17:46
  So I mean, it's, it's hardly a terrible run.
• 1:17:49
  It's definitely a pass. Yeah, I mean 2 seconds, OK, it's
• 1:17:53
  not, you know, you're in the ballpark if you best ever
• 1:17:56
  fitness and you know, his best ever fitness was good enough for
• 1:17:58
  sub 60 half marathon, which then trans has translated into, you
• 1:18:05
  know, multiple sub 210 marathon. So it's exciting, I think.
• 1:18:12
  That's a wrap on the results, an hour and bloody, however long
• 1:18:16
  into the absurd takes us to training weeks.
• 1:18:21
  I'm keen to hear how your week has been.
• 1:18:24
  Yeah, OK. The training weeks are powered
• 1:18:30
  by Gnomeo, which is the performance supplement trusted
• 1:18:34
  by Andres Elmgren called Hocker, Connor months and maybe I don't
• 1:18:39
  know about recently past couple of months, Izzy back Doyle has
• 1:18:43
  picked them up too and many more.
• 1:18:45
  So as per no Muse motto, drink no Mio and prepare to
• 1:18:50
  outperform. That's if you can get your hands
• 1:18:53
  on it, that is. Yeah, It is proving more and
• 1:18:57
  more hard to come by. We're very lucky that we've got
• 1:19:00
  a little inventory of it at home, which we do a.
• 1:19:03
  Stash in my wine fridge I. Appreciate you keeping it
• 1:19:06
  chilled for me at the right temperature.
• 1:19:09
  I I've been taking you well, I've been taking.
• 1:19:13
  Will you get up in time to take it tomorrow?
• 1:19:16
  Is the question. I'll be up in time more so if I
• 1:19:19
  remember, but which I should remember.
• 1:19:21
  I've taken it two out of the three sessions that we've done.
• 1:19:24
  I put it next to my condiments in the fridge so I don't forget.
• 1:19:27
  Same time I'm having a slice of toast and a coffee and.
• 1:19:33
  I know you're, you're big on this because we were kind of
• 1:19:37
  theorizing whether it's worth taking it like whilst we're not
• 1:19:42
  exactly looking to peak perform, but whilst we're just on this
• 1:19:46
  trajectory of like getting fitter and better and stronger
• 1:19:49
  anyway, is it worthwhile then using an Omnia to fuel these
• 1:19:53
  sessions? But with the talk of the like
• 1:19:56
  reduced oxidative stress and like the enhanced recovery don't
• 1:20:00
  need. So figure that's good enough
• 1:20:02
  reason. That's what's getting me over
• 1:20:04
  the line with it. I need to, I need to recover.
• 1:20:07
  So which, yeah, I mean, the last comment on Gnomeo before I lead
• 1:20:13
  into my training, we can talk about the need to recover.
• 1:20:16
  But I did see, did you see Ben Felton?
• 1:20:19
  I was watching the live stream and thought she was, is that Ben
• 1:20:21
  Felton crossing, crossing the line?
• 1:20:23
  You know, Ben is running and it was, he ran 6450 and he's tagged
• 1:20:29
  in Gnomeo and popped up on my feed and he's gone loss for word
• 1:20:38
  6450 will take some time to sink in.
• 1:20:40
  And then he's put some broccoli emojis in there.
• 1:20:43
  So I think he's crediting some of his performance with the
• 1:20:52
  yeah, with the with the good juice.
• 1:20:53
  So good on him. And I'm assuming perhaps he's
• 1:20:56
  part of the team as well, or he's just a fan of the product.
• 1:21:00
  And my the DMS are going to be pretty busy aren't they?
• 1:21:04
  Of just like their their DMS probably looks like a World
• 1:21:08
  Athletics top 100 list or something.
• 1:21:11
  Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, look, I
• 1:21:12
  think some of these products and things that are coming out now
• 1:21:16
  are, yeah, quite exciting. So it's good that people are are
• 1:21:20
  seeing benefit in it. In terms of my training week, so
• 1:21:26
  Monday very much the same as what most Mondays are, which is
• 1:21:31
  a commute into the office and then a commute to the gym.
• 1:21:35
  Did a lift, then Tuesday warmed up.
• 1:21:40
  With you, did you have your your weight lifting shoes on last
• 1:21:43
  week or? Here we go.
• 1:21:46
  You were, you were waiting for you.
• 1:21:49
  I didn't think. I thought maybe we dealt with
• 1:21:51
  this in the gym, but that's fine.
• 1:21:52
  We should. We can go into that.
• 1:21:56
  So yes, I have. So yeah, I've got a shout out to
• 1:22:03
  to Waisi, who is a listener of of the podcast who happens to be
• 1:22:06
  the same shoe size as me. And as I explained to you, Ryan,
• 1:22:10
  when I started out, we were the same weight Once Upon a time.
• 1:22:13
  And he's gone into CrossFit and powerlifting and I've gone down
• 1:22:17
  this running wormhole and he is called wind of me lifting at the
• 1:22:22
  gym in my super blast and suggested that perhaps it's not
• 1:22:27
  the smartest thing to do. And so he very kindly gave me a
• 1:22:30
  pair of his lifting shoes, which was noted by a few people in the
• 1:22:34
  gym, including yourself, Ryan, because they, I think they look
• 1:22:38
  all right. So the best way I can describe
• 1:22:42
  it to the listeners, if you, if you think of like the the power
• 1:22:45
  lifting competitions where it's like the strongman on the big
• 1:22:49
  wooden board with a bar with like 6 plates on the end.
• 1:22:53
  And the image I can get in my head is someone stood there with
• 1:22:56
  the bar like jacked over the head.
• 1:22:59
  Now that image you've created, just shift your eyes downwards
• 1:23:03
  and you get like the big wraps over the knees 1st.
• 1:23:07
  And then you come to the shoes and they're like the pretty much
• 1:23:11
  like a plank of wood underneath the force and you'll know
• 1:23:14
  exactly what type of shoe he was wearing.
• 1:23:17
  He wouldn't be doing his warm up in it.
• 1:23:20
  No, I was doing my box jumps in them so.
• 1:23:23
  Yeah, pretty stable for London. Yeah, not much explosion coming
• 1:23:27
  out the other side though, I'll tell you that.
• 1:23:30
  What's the firm in them? No, they they are, they are
• 1:23:34
  lifeless. They are.
• 1:23:36
  But importantly, they've got some sort of heel pitch in them
• 1:23:38
  that takes a bit of pressure off my Achilles, so I can't get into
• 1:23:42
  a deep squat and I'm lifting safer and better than ever.
• 1:23:47
  I'm getting some very good feedback.
• 1:23:49
  So yeah, if you needed to give him a try next week, I can leave
• 1:23:53
  him there for you no problem. I was waiting for the word
• 1:23:57
  heavier being used in the description as well.
• 1:23:59
  I'll allow you to say it. Well, yeah, because that's the
• 1:24:03
  thing. You I by the time you get in the
• 1:24:05
  gym, I've taken all the bars and put them on the rack.
• 1:24:07
  So you don't you don't appreciate the the need for for
• 1:24:12
  the shoes yet, but you'll get there.
• 1:24:14
  I'll get there one day. And the reason you were asking
• 1:24:17
  if I wore them last week was because you weren't there,
• 1:24:19
  right? Yeah, I pulled the sickie
• 1:24:25
  excuses. You said you went for a bite you
• 1:24:28
  wanted you prioritize the cardio.
• 1:24:31
  Oh, that's it. Offsets it with the endurance
• 1:24:33
  activities. But anyway, that leads us into
• 1:24:39
  Tuesday morning. So got through my non training
• 1:24:43
  day, but we did 4 by two KS. I'm trying to remember back to
• 1:24:50
  how this was set up. So had you in your mind decided
• 1:24:55
  to go more consent? What did Raff say?
• 1:24:58
  Oh right. And we had a bit of a lactate
• 1:24:59
  meter out. So we're trying to be sensible,
• 1:25:02
  weren't we? Trying to keep it not not go to
• 1:25:07
  get to gun home. Yeah, I think it was.
• 1:25:09
  It was 12 hours after we'd recorded where I remember
• 1:25:13
  sitting there on the record and saying like, I need to separate
• 1:25:16
  my training from your training and run my own sessions and my
• 1:25:20
  own paces. Next minute so I'll and Ralph
• 1:25:29
  had the lactate meter on me. So as he's running, as he's
• 1:25:32
  riding past me, he's like how you feel?
• 1:25:34
  I'm arse completely comfortable and then my lactates not telling
• 1:25:37
  the same story. So but it was close enough I
• 1:25:41
  think so I averaged 314 maybe for these.
• 1:25:48
  It was 4 by two KS with 90 seconds static recovery and then
• 1:25:53
  my lactate rating for them was about four, four to five
• 1:26:00
  millimol. So maybe slightly higher than
• 1:26:03
  what you want it to be, but everything felt fine.
• 1:26:05
  So ticked off a session note that I'm not doing like a
• 1:26:09
  double, it's not double threshold just yet.
• 1:26:11
  I'm not at the ability where my body can handle that.
• 1:26:14
  So perhaps if it was a little bit too hot, it's OK.
• 1:26:18
  And how about you had? 90 seconds standing was it?
• 1:26:22
  Yeah, just 90 seconds to I'm sure we weren't overshooting,
• 1:26:25
  but look, I enjoyed that we had Luke down with us who who
• 1:26:31
  blasted off the front and happened to have lower lactate
• 1:26:35
  so completely kissed. So that was a bit demoralizing,
• 1:26:38
  but we got through it. Yeah, that's what I thought.
• 1:26:42
  And that afternoon we, I went out for an easy 30 minute run
• 1:26:48
  Wednesday, just easy commutes. Thursday, the bike intervals,
• 1:26:57
  which was good fun. I thought.
• 1:26:58
  Ryan, did you enjoy, enjoy that? We did a, a sort of was a 20
• 1:27:02
  minute tempo into we, we essentially did.
• 1:27:07
  And now, and you would know this, you know, the 5.8 K loop
• 1:27:10
  in Kings Park. So we basically had, so we'd do
• 1:27:14
  8 minutes at threshold on the bike and then you'd have
• 1:27:18
  two-minute float, which essentially gave us a, a, that
• 1:27:21
  5.8 K loop. So we did that four times.
• 1:27:24
  So it was an hour of work on the bike in the morning, which is
• 1:27:27
  pretty good. And we timed it pretty well,
• 1:27:30
  Ryan, because some guy caught up to us in the after the first, we
• 1:27:33
  had to someone join us after about the first Rep.
• 1:27:37
  And so we spent most of the next three reps just sitting on their
• 1:27:40
  wheel, which was great. We.
• 1:27:42
  Had the rabbit, as the Americans would say.
• 1:27:45
  Most brilliant. But yeah, that was the morning
• 1:27:47
  threshold or bike interval workout.
• 1:27:50
  And then that afternoon I was down by the lake and we had the
• 1:27:55
  5 minutes, 4 by 5 minutes at threshold, 2 minute float.
• 1:28:02
  So the threshold reps were around I think 313 pace.
• 1:28:08
  It's a similar pace to the 2K reps.
• 1:28:12
  And then the two minutes was about 330 pace I think, or 325
• 1:28:17
  pace. So the two-minute recovery and
• 1:28:21
  that felt hard. It was, I don't know if you
• 1:28:23
  remember the weather, but we were, there was a cyclone coming
• 1:28:26
  in due to potentially hitting Perth in the next day.
• 1:28:32
  And so it's just that weird, incredibly muggy but still quite
• 1:28:35
  warm tropical type weather Thursday night, but got
• 1:28:39
  something done. It was humid as anything I
• 1:28:42
  remember because I was toying with whether to go out Thursday
• 1:28:48
  evening as well and do like my, I was going to do a steady run
• 1:28:52
  or do I have a rest and do it on Friday.
• 1:28:56
  But I concluded rather than going like tough day, tough day,
• 1:29:01
  I just do both on the Thursday and then have a complete rest on
• 1:29:03
  the Friday. And I was trying to run steady
• 1:29:06
  heart rate, which I could get to the heart rate like 150 odds.
• 1:29:11
  But my pace was like 4 minutes and I felt in the bin like I was
• 1:29:16
  planning on doing half an hour straight and I had to split it
• 1:29:19
  up into two 15 minutes and even the 2nd 15 minute was just
• 1:29:22
  awful. So yeah, I think I was a bit
• 1:29:25
  overcooked from the morning maybe.
• 1:29:28
  Yeah. I mean, I've done a few of the
• 1:29:30
  like double workout days on the Thursday now and that felt
• 1:29:34
  particularly hard. Like I was 2 reps into these
• 1:29:38
  into four reps of these 5 minutes at threshold and I was
• 1:29:41
  like, I'm not it. This feels harder than normal.
• 1:29:46
  I think it's just particularly unpleasant the weather to be
• 1:29:48
  honest, and we're probably not used to it because it's starting
• 1:29:51
  to cool off here. It's not why you you took the
• 1:29:54
  float that easy. You know I push the floats,
• 1:29:59
  don't you? That's what it's about.
• 1:30:03
  Owen would remember that you push the floats as well.
• 1:30:05
  I imagine it must have been on the receiving end of a few tough
• 1:30:09
  sessions towards the back end. You just don't get a break.
• 1:30:14
  It's not a float, it's a steady. The heart rate doesn't come.
• 1:30:20
  Down I did it with with Andrew, the one of the guys who's new to
• 1:30:23
  the training group and he went to slow it right down.
• 1:30:27
  Sorry, Andrew. No, it's it's, no it.
• 1:30:29
  Doesn't work like that. This Dean's house you go by Dean
• 1:30:34
  Girls. That's right.
• 1:30:36
  And he had an extra Rep to do as well.
• 1:30:38
  So I just sort of tighten the screws on the No I didn't.
• 1:30:41
  But. No.
• 1:30:44
  And then Friday, yeah, 2 easy commutes.
• 1:30:48
  It was absolutely bucketing down on Friday.
• 1:30:50
  And I remember thinking that when, when you mentioned about
• 1:30:54
  January and it, this is like the first proper rain we've had in a
• 1:30:58
  while. And it was like it was proper
• 1:31:01
  rain. It was like, I don't know how
• 1:31:02
  many, how many mils was it over 10 mils of rain, but.
• 1:31:08
  I think, I think I prefer that, you know, because in Ireland it
• 1:31:10
  just rains constantly. But in Australia, like use get
• 1:31:13
  what we get in a week, probably in a couple of hours.
• 1:31:17
  Like when it rains, oh, it pours.
• 1:31:21
  Yeah. So this was proper like heavy,
• 1:31:25
  heavy rain, which was which took most of Friday, but then other
• 1:31:30
  than that, like it wasn't too bad.
• 1:31:33
  So yeah, on Saturday we had a workout.
• 1:31:35
  Did you say you commuted in now in that rain?
• 1:31:38
  I did. I was one of the only people on
• 1:31:40
  the path. I felt sorry for myself
• 1:31:43
  commuting like 10 yards from the office to Woolies and to get
• 1:31:47
  sushi. I took, I took a spare change of
• 1:31:52
  clothes to put dry clothes on to run home, albeit you step
• 1:31:54
  straight out into, but I don't know what felt nice.
• 1:31:59
  The idea of putting wet clothes on to get to commute home.
• 1:32:02
  It's gross. And then Saturday we had, you
• 1:32:08
  know, the old Kenyan fart like Owen.
• 1:32:10
  We had that down at Lake Munger. So normally I'd be on the bike
• 1:32:14
  doing my longer ride, but again, because there was this cyclone
• 1:32:17
  due to hit Perth and no one was sure how terrible the weather
• 1:32:22
  would be, We decided not to ride and the roads were pretty wet
• 1:32:26
  anyway. So I think it was a good
• 1:32:27
  decision and we, I went down to the session at Lake Munga and it
• 1:32:32
  was, it's normally 21 minutes, 19 minutes, but this was.
• 1:32:37
  It's normally around Kings Park as well, isn't it?
• 1:32:40
  Yeah, yeah. But I, I don't know a bit out
• 1:32:42
  the loop here, but it was only 15 1/2 minutes, 14 1/2 minutes
• 1:32:47
  and it was just flat. So which was, which was fine for
• 1:32:51
  me. That's all I wanted to do.
• 1:32:52
  Given up, not done 3 workouts in a while.
• 1:32:55
  And Ryan, you were, you were there.
• 1:32:57
  You were very sensible. Yeah, we've done this one.
• 1:33:01
  I remember doing it in on South Perth for sure as well.
• 1:33:05
  Do you remember that? That was like 21 out and 19
• 1:33:08
  back. Yeah.
• 1:33:10
  But I mean, anyway, yeah, this was.
• 1:33:12
  Yeah, it was pissing down, wasn't it?
• 1:33:13
  It's like one of them where I was in the office on Friday.
• 1:33:18
  I remember saying someone like, oh, I'm bizarrely going to be
• 1:33:22
  doing a running workout in the morning.
• 1:33:24
  But I feel embarrassed to like be turning my nose up at it
• 1:33:27
  given like what I should be used to in Britain.
• 1:33:30
  But now I've turned into a little path Princess and can't
• 1:33:34
  handle a bit of rain. Soft.
• 1:33:41
  But but yeah, we did it. I don't know.
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  Yeah, bit of a pace change. So you go out a bit more sort of
• 1:33:52
  steady through the tempo pace and then you pick it up and
• 1:33:54
  you're somewhere between 10 LB threshold on the way back.
• 1:33:58
  So I did that. I felt a bit sore to be honest,
• 1:34:00
  just because it's the like backing up from Thursday and
• 1:34:03
  Tuesday, but got it done, yes, sort of 325 pace average and
• 1:34:13
  then someday. You, you're just taking a ride
• 1:34:15
  again there. Yes, there's a lovely chat,
• 1:34:21
  Renee down at the group and he, he very kindly did 19 and 8% of
• 1:34:27
  the work into the into the IT was a bit windy and wet and I
• 1:34:31
  didn't want to interfere with his workout, so I just said I'll
• 1:34:34
  sit behind you. Renee, new new new guys training
• 1:34:42
  one of yeah, refs. He he listened to the pod too.
• 1:34:47
  So he'll be he he says he listened.
• 1:34:50
  He moves really nice. He's I think he's new to
• 1:34:52
  running. He I think as the story goes, he
• 1:34:55
  was running around somewhere. RAF seen him and said and that,
• 1:34:58
  you know, front runner, call me, send me send me an e-mail.
• 1:35:02
  And so he's, yeah, he's he's, he's been training, training
• 1:35:07
  with the group for a little while now and, and he just moves
• 1:35:11
  very well. He's getting fitter and fitter
• 1:35:13
  all the time. I think his PB before Saturday
• 1:35:16
  was 35 minutes for 10K and we would have gone through, we ran
• 1:35:23
  maybe 9 KS or thereabouts in 34 minute pace.
• 1:35:28
  So he's, he was on track for A10 KPB.
• 1:35:31
  So I think Ryan's getting a bit nervous because I think he's
• 1:35:34
  Renee doing Bridges Ryan. He is, yeah, he said.
• 1:35:37
  He is. Any other big names doing
• 1:35:40
  bridges? So I think Smithy, Andrew
• 1:35:46
  Halbush, Renee and can't think maybe it'd be good to see Ted G
• 1:35:55
  there. I can't remember who else there
• 1:35:58
  could be. Maybe Matthew Massey get a few
• 1:36:02
  randoms, few few kids, but I mean, I'm I'm going to be
• 1:36:06
  running with like the 37 to 36 minute group anyway, so.
• 1:36:14
  Wait, what distance is that tanker?
• 1:36:18
  Thank you. But what?
• 1:36:19
  What are you on, however? You just go.
• 1:36:24
  With the lead and just hang on as long as you can and then kick
• 1:36:28
  them race time. If if you if you ride around
• 1:36:32
  Dean, reckon you could like push my bike in your left hand so
• 1:36:36
  that like when I blow up I can just roll back around to the
• 1:36:39
  finish. There's actually at about 667
• 1:36:44
  KS, there's the ferry that takes you straight across from South
• 1:36:47
  Perth to Elizabeth Kay. That would.
• 1:36:51
  Be faster. Run it.
• 1:36:52
  You'd be faster running. Yes.
• 1:37:02
  Anyway, and the last part of my week was a bit of a long run, a
• 1:37:07
  few of the lads from the Warp. So Chris from the Warp, the WA
• 1:37:13
  Running podcast organised a bit of a pace session, opened it up
• 1:37:19
  to the community if they wanted to come down and practice ahead
• 1:37:23
  of like You've Got London and what's it the Bunbury Marathon
• 1:37:25
  coming up. And so they were doing 3 hour
• 1:37:28
  pace, which is about 4:15. OK.
• 1:37:31
  And so they mentioned if people want to come down and join for
• 1:37:35
  as much as you would much as works.
• 1:37:37
  And they had a few different pace groups going.
• 1:37:39
  And yeah, went down to that on Sunday and did a few laps, few
• 1:37:45
  laps of that, which was which was good fun.
• 1:37:47
  So I was feeling a bit sore unfortunately.
• 1:37:49
  But other than that, like mechanically stiff and sore, but
• 1:37:52
  otherwise it was a very enjoyable run.
• 1:37:55
  Did you? Sorry, this is totally off
• 1:37:57
  topic. Did you see the new doping news
• 1:38:00
  just in Albert Courier? The 2021 New York City Marathon
• 1:38:06
  champion has been handed A5 year doping ban after testing
• 1:38:10
  positive for Cara, Sarah, CE or A across three separate out of
• 1:38:16
  competition samples. So he suspended until 2031 and
• 1:38:22
  all results since October the 3rd 2025 and have been
• 1:38:27
  forfeited. This includes medals, prize
• 1:38:29
  money, appearances, whatever. And he came third in the 2025
• 1:38:37
  New York City Marathon. So that would actually push
• 1:38:39
  Patty Deaver up to 3rd. So Patty Deaver now has a medal
• 1:38:45
  world major marathon, which is absolutely crazy.
• 1:38:50
  And but yeah, what a little dirty, rotten person.
• 1:38:55
  But yeah, you got to hear first. But wasn't that Davis debut
• 1:39:03
  Morrison as well? I.
• 1:39:05
  Think it was, you know, yeah. So before Iran, has he done what
• 1:39:12
  what months hasn't been able to do on debut?
• 1:39:16
  Yeah. So he would have been bumped.
• 1:39:18
  4th gets 25,000 not Australian dollars.
• 1:39:21
  Snowy gets 40 and so everyone gets a nice a better payday.
• 1:39:32
  Yeah, another Kenyan gets popped and the grass is also green.
• 1:39:38
  Yeah, what else has this guy done as well?
• 1:39:41
  This running Iran. He won Canada Marathon last
• 1:39:45
  year. May work Canada, Ottawa in
• 1:39:49
  Canada. He came fifth in Boston in 2024,
• 1:39:53
  third in New York. Let's see, that would have been
• 1:39:59
  the national champs. Yeah, he would have done that.
• 1:40:02
  Yeah, he beat Rory. Oh, he'd be absolutely raging.
• 1:40:07
  Beat Rory by 9 seconds while doping.
• 1:40:12
  To be sick. Yeah, 2023, second at New York,
• 1:40:21
  4th at Boston. It's just so annoying because
• 1:40:25
  it's will obviously be going on right now when in these majors
• 1:40:29
  that we're watching, but then you don't find out for a couple
• 1:40:32
  of years who it was. But like it's only results from
• 1:40:37
  October the 3rd 2025 he gets done from.
• 1:40:40
  Yes. Which is like, oh, we just start
• 1:40:43
  doping then no, cut the fuck on. It's annoying.
• 1:40:52
  Dean, back to your training. No, Well, that was it really.
• 1:40:57
  SO10410 KS of running and one ride.
• 1:41:04
  What was the ride? 60 KS of bike riding.
• 1:41:08
  That was my week. Good week BM of that bumbry
• 1:41:19
  entry, and in no time, weren't you?
• 1:41:22
  No, no races for me yet. Yeah.
• 1:41:29
  I mean, I've kind of piggybacked on the back of that week anyway,
• 1:41:31
  so I'll just say I ran 701K last week actually, which was skewed
• 1:41:38
  with a bias towards running because of that rain late in the
• 1:41:41
  week. Probably wouldn't have done an
• 1:41:43
  extra run, but we'll take it nonetheless.
• 1:41:46
  And a road 200K. So yeah, trending upwards as
• 1:41:53
  well, perhaps a little bit quicker than I thought it would
• 1:41:55
  have been, but just keep my head down, don't ask too many
• 1:42:00
  questions, keep turning up. Yeah, I think we just keep
• 1:42:03
  putting them together, right. Yeah.
• 1:42:08
  Tell you what, I'll be my body will be thankful for a taper
• 1:42:15
  taper off the bike. Man are.
• 1:42:17
  You crazy you tapered for like you're done nothing for like 6
• 1:42:20
  months. I did was drink beer and get
• 1:42:22
  fat. You know, I was I was thinking
• 1:42:27
  about this this morning. I cheers like oh I should have
• 1:42:30
  coined my return fat camp as well but I'm still fast.
• 1:42:37
  Good. To you like not, you know, I can
• 1:42:42
  even see in the screen your pixelated screen, it's dropping
• 1:42:44
  off, yeah. There was a few times when I was
• 1:42:52
  hoping to hoping to turn my camera off during them dark
• 1:42:56
  months just looking at the big round face.
• 1:43:02
  Yeah, what have you been up to? Right.
• 1:43:05
  So had a pretty decent week, just again doing the boring
• 1:43:10
  things, ticking the boxes. Started off with 45 minutes on a
• 1:43:15
  few strides and Monday morning, which was around 12 K and 4:30
• 1:43:22
  sixes in the afternoon. Then got out for an easy double,
• 1:43:25
  just 30 minutes churn and 6.9 K at like 420 base and Tuesday was
• 1:43:32
  a bit of session so I did and I've done it around my short
• 1:43:40
  track which is pissed me off. My coach is getting a Thunder
• 1:43:43
  wheel and I will measure the outside.
• 1:43:45
  So I stopped guessing because it's annoying because it tells
• 1:43:48
  you're fitter than you are. And the session was the same one
• 1:43:51
  as last week. So 5 by 5 minutes were like a
• 1:43:54
  22nd pick up after one five minute wrap.
• 1:43:58
  So that 5 minutes was that like an LT1.
• 1:44:01
  Then the 22nd pick up sort of like spikes the lactate with
• 1:44:04
  this method, like the aim of that get yourself going and then
• 1:44:07
  bring it right back down And were there Boston twelves and
• 1:44:11
  I'm not a fan lads, and I think they're they are too big, which
• 1:44:17
  doesn't help. And so I'm in the market for a
• 1:44:22
  sort of a tempo threshold, the sort of trainer that doesn't do
• 1:44:28
  all the work for me. Would you try that pure one of
• 1:44:32
  the pure issues? See, yeah, I definitely would.
• 1:44:36
  And not the race one, but there's the there's like a
• 1:44:42
  training version. Yeah, well, like I do love Pew
• 1:44:45
  issues so. Yeah, I feel like that might be
• 1:44:47
  a good option. And after straight after the 5
• 1:44:52
  by 5, I don't have 15 minutes at Lt. 2.
• 1:44:55
  So after the first sort of 2526 minutes math, it was 1.6.
• 1:45:01
  And after the 15 minutes at LT2, it popped up to like 3.7.
• 1:45:05
  So yeah, take the box, sort of done what the session wanted.
• 1:45:11
  And then Tuesday evening, the weather was diabolical that I
• 1:45:19
  actually chose to cycle instead of run, which just shows you how
• 1:45:24
  bad it would have been. So I just sat on the bike for 45
• 1:45:27
  minutes, watch a few YouTube videos and.
• 1:45:32
  Where'd you do that on? I have a little bike at home in
• 1:45:36
  the garage. You've got the time.
• 1:45:38
  We got the treadmill. We got a bike and a treadmill.
• 1:45:40
  The treadmill went back and there was a bike.
• 1:45:43
  Yeah. Cool.
• 1:45:44
  And Wednesday morning just got out and done 60 now it's
• 1:45:48
  actually snowing Wednesday morning again.
• 1:45:52
  All the seasons this week. So yeah, 60 minutes and a few
• 1:45:55
  strides. Yeah, it was so cold, around
• 1:45:58
  14.5 K in like 65 minutes. And that evening I got out to do
• 1:46:05
  30 minutes easy before circuits, just shake out the legs.
• 1:46:09
  Then at circus class Thursday, I actually done in sort of a new
• 1:46:14
  loop that I don't know what I've never done before.
• 1:46:17
  So the Gaelic pitch at home, you can do like a loop around things
• 1:46:21
  like Andrew meters. And so I just done 3 by 10
• 1:46:25
  minutes of five minute jog. So yeah, that was like 11 K
• 1:46:31
  average pace, 320 fives. And then I had a rest on Friday,
• 1:46:41
  Thursday evening, I do gym, had a rest on Friday and I got a
• 1:46:45
  massage off my physio with David Ivers.
• 1:46:50
  And then Saturday was a relatively big day, so in the
• 1:46:53
  morning just on my usual warm up.
• 1:46:56
  And then I had 15 minutes LT1 straight into 15 minutes Lt. 2.
• 1:47:02
  So that sort of pick up sort of. And again, yeah, it's so hard to
• 1:47:06
  do these. I feel it was like undulating
• 1:47:10
  and it was windy. But like when you start into
• 1:47:15
  that Lt. 2, like you pick up the pace and you sort of hit that
• 1:47:21
  zone straight away instead of like working into it.
• 1:47:24
  So like after let's say 2K, like I'm having to slow down my heart
• 1:47:30
  rate down, which is like not the purpose.
• 1:47:32
  It's sort of like sort of getting used to it.
• 1:47:35
  So it is hard. To do.
• 1:47:37
  And it's hard, but it's hard. It's sorry.
• 1:47:40
  I was going to say it's hard because, you know, you're meant
• 1:47:43
  to, you know what the theoretical upper limit is.
• 1:47:47
  So you want to see, you want to get to that and then sit at
• 1:47:49
  that. But then if you blast through
• 1:47:51
  that, then all of a sudden you've been overshot.
• 1:47:54
  And then it's like, yeah, it's very tricky, yeah.
• 1:48:00
  But yeah, so it wasn't like I tell you, it was regarding a
• 1:48:03
  session. It was like AB minus, like not
• 1:48:07
  the best, but got done. That was like 9 K at three
• 1:48:10
  teams. And then in the evening, I got
• 1:48:13
  out to do my first double threshold for a while and it was
• 1:48:18
  2 by 15 minutes, that Lt. 2 off a 5 minute jog.
• 1:48:23
  And again, I was better at this session, but just the wind
• 1:48:28
  fucking knock you off your face. So that was 9.7 K at 321 average
• 1:48:36
  pace. And then yesterday morning just
• 1:48:40
  got out for a little long run. Just plugged long 75 minutes,
• 1:48:44
  which was 17 kilometers at 422 pace.
• 1:48:48
  And again, like the footwear guys are so good, like a ward
• 1:48:54
  that Romero plus for this and you're just fucking dancing
• 1:48:57
  along like. So you're a fan of them?
• 1:49:02
  I love different. I love all the Romero.
• 1:49:04
  I didn't try to premium a lot yeah, Romero usual are gone.
• 1:49:08
  They're dosed and they're a very marrow plus now and then yeah
• 1:49:13
  like just for them like when your legs feel beat up, you like
• 1:49:15
  you can get rolling in them. They're actually lighter than
• 1:49:18
  the original Romero for umm, yes, such a nice shit to run on,
• 1:49:22
  especially like like that was 126 K for the week, my biggest
• 1:49:26
  week in ages. And so yeah, like when you like
• 1:49:34
  when I'm like, say, just chill and I'm like looking at shoes
• 1:49:38
  and I'm like, we actually use them like the reeling.
• 1:49:42
  It's good to have a selection to, like go through because just
• 1:49:45
  shaking things up, it freshens up the legs and yeah, but.
• 1:49:52
  What shoe? What shoe?
• 1:49:53
  What shoe were you? Are you rolling in right?
• 1:49:56
  What's that jogger that you're in?
• 1:49:58
  Is it the premium? That Nike?
• 1:49:59
  No, that's the plus, Romero plus as well.
• 1:50:03
  Yeah, there you go. Yeah, might have to get some.
• 1:50:07
  Yeah, and yeah. How you feeling, Owen?
• 1:50:11
  You feel like they're trying to take it along.
• 1:50:14
  Yeah, take long a little bit like that was my biggest week in
• 1:50:16
  a while so and I was back-to-back like relatively big
• 1:50:19
  week. So the legs feeling a little
• 1:50:21
  bit. But yeah, I'm just going to sit
• 1:50:23
  at this for a little bit. And you should be should get
• 1:50:25
  fairly fit for when racing comes in May, like we're not even in
• 1:50:29
  April or April starts tomorrow or the day after.
• 1:50:33
  So just a lot of time to get fit.
• 1:50:35
  So would you say this is a bit of like a base, base phase for
• 1:50:39
  you of your of your training it? 100% is a base phase so just get
• 1:50:43
  this big base in and then sharp like I don't my peak is July so
• 1:50:48
  it's going to be a long a long summer.
• 1:50:52
  And will and will your will this sort of base phase look like
• 1:50:57
  prioritize double TI noticed like coaches, like particular on
• 1:51:01
  with your long run, making it a bit more I don't know, I might
• 1:51:08
  not be the best language, but purposeful than just your easy,
• 1:51:11
  your standard long run. Like that's the they're going to
• 1:51:14
  be the sort of key ingredients and then easy running and some
• 1:51:18
  cross training and lifting in and around that.
• 1:51:21
  Yeah, basically just get as strong a base as possible and
• 1:51:26
  then just use that as a foundation to like sprinkle in
• 1:51:29
  some speed. Then come summer it's a long run
• 1:51:32
  nearly like that was a really like easy long run.
• 1:51:36
  Normally I do have a little bit of threshold in it.
• 1:51:37
  It's sort of like an extra little bit of session, but we're
• 1:51:40
  trying to get a certain amount of threshold a week.
• 1:51:42
  And once I just hit that, like you'll get fit.
• 1:51:46
  So and then like obviously that like the race in May I might be
• 1:51:49
  100% for but calm and July I shall be should be in decent
• 1:51:56
  shape. Just you sneeze the after physio
• 1:51:58
  table really. That being said that you are on
• 1:52:03
  the massage table. I am very low, yeah, massage
• 1:52:07
  every week. It's like, yeah, only for like
• 1:52:12
  my physio, David Ivers sort of helps me out with that.
• 1:52:14
  I wouldn't be able to do it every week.
• 1:52:16
  And it is, it's more prevent, it is prevention rather than when
• 1:52:21
  you cross the line, you just go to it.
• 1:52:24
  So even if you're not sore, like even if you're not like injured,
• 1:52:26
  I really do feel like you should go like once a month, once every
• 1:52:30
  two weeks, whatever. And to keep the body right,
• 1:52:33
  because it definitely, definitely, definitely makes a
• 1:52:35
  difference. Does it give you the same work
• 1:52:37
  over every week or do you tell them what areas?
• 1:52:41
  So I tell them what areas are sore, but like certain periods
• 1:52:45
  he'll go in deeper. And if I'm starting like a
• 1:52:48
  different phase of training, he'll like change the type of
• 1:52:53
  massage you'd give the legs if you get me.
• 1:52:57
  And so yeah, super, super lucky to have him and it definitely
• 1:53:02
  helps, makes a difference. Yeah, good.
• 1:53:09
  So next race isn't until May there's a.
• 1:53:13
  Little Rd. Club Rd. relay and not this
• 1:53:16
  Sunday, the following Sunday. So I'll do that.
• 1:53:18
  I think I'm doing like a 2 mile and that, but like it won't be
• 1:53:20
  anything crazy. And yeah other than that it's
• 1:53:24
  the 2nd of May. I'll do a 1500 and God only
• 1:53:28
  knows like I'll have no speed done.
• 1:53:30
  So they're just off threshold training.
• 1:53:32
  So I'll be interested to see how how that goes.
• 1:53:35
  Go swimming and actually. YouTube Diaries boys.
• 1:53:45
  I am a bit sparse. What have I watched this week?
• 1:53:51
  I watched Jake's live stream and he he gave us a shout out very
• 1:53:55
  kindly. Oh, did he?
• 1:53:59
  Where else? I I have I haven't watched yet,
• 1:54:02
  but the it's got me the the image of his latest YouTube
• 1:54:09
  Cliff. Have you seen that?
• 1:54:10
  Oh. Yeah, the house.
• 1:54:12
  That and the the bike. The bike, the bike and just the
• 1:54:18
  look of the bike. I don't know.
• 1:54:19
  It's got, it's got me hooked so. I was watching that something
• 1:54:21
  what a non wood rolls to the supermarket.
• 1:54:23
  Yeah, it's it's it's genius content.
• 1:54:27
  So I'm looking forward to looking forward to watching
• 1:54:30
  that. But yeah, I haven't consumed too
• 1:54:36
  much other than the races, really.
• 1:54:40
  Same. Same for you guys.
• 1:54:43
  I love I'm loving Macau, like their whole lead up to the the
• 1:54:47
  10 and I I don't know how not being bad.
• 1:54:51
  I don't know how they're going to like post a video about the
• 1:54:54
  10, but I'm just can't wait to see like what it was like their
• 1:54:57
  reaction because you have to show the good and the bad, like.
• 1:55:00
  Well, that's what Callum said, didn't you?
• 1:55:03
  Yeah, yeah, he said. It's part of their agreement.
• 1:55:06
  Yeah. And but like the likes of Rory,
• 1:55:09
  like he'd had surgical block and then to just not come together,
• 1:55:12
  like it's really, really hard for them, but sort of makes you
• 1:55:19
  accountable as well. Like, yeah, I like that.
• 1:55:23
  Just one and it can probably dovetail into Double Trouble.
• 1:55:28
  But did we? Do we want to talk, share our
• 1:55:31
  views in terms of running news on the selection of the Women's
• 1:55:36
  USA team for the half marathon? Champs, well, you go first.
• 1:55:43
  So we recapped it the other day into when it unfolded, but
• 1:55:48
  basically the top three women in the national championships in
• 1:55:55
  the trial which was in a selection race, they went off
• 1:55:58
  course. As a result, they were initially
• 1:56:02
  disqualified and that they were not initially selected to
• 1:56:07
  participate for Team USA at the world half marathon champs.
• 1:56:11
  They later they the race accepted fault for them going
• 1:56:17
  off course so then awarded prize money and then the USA team have
• 1:56:23
  lodged an application to World Athletics which have has asked
• 1:56:28
  for the team to be expanded on a on an exceptions basis such that
• 1:56:32
  all women get to participate. World Athletics have accepted
• 1:56:36
  that, however they've said that for the purpose of individual
• 1:56:42
  and team championship placings that only the top four that are
• 1:56:47
  all only the four that are nominated are eligible so so as
• 1:56:53
  to not be unfairly disadvantaging other countries
• 1:56:58
  at the World Championships. However, all 7 ladies are
• 1:57:02
  allowed to compete. So that's, but it's a bit of a
• 1:57:08
  recap as to what's happened in terms of my view on this is that
• 1:57:15
  I think it's a good thing. And the reason why I think it's
• 1:57:18
  a good thing is because it's because the women that crossed
• 1:57:25
  the finish line 123 did nothing but follow the course and
• 1:57:31
  finished 123 and therefore technically earned the right to
• 1:57:34
  participate. And then the three women that
• 1:57:36
  were incorrectly let off course by the league car also did
• 1:57:39
  nothing wrong. So I like the fact that they've
• 1:57:43
  found a way to let them participate.
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  And then I think that yes, the fairest thing with the other
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  countries is to only select a small is to select the cap team.
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  And I think they've cut everyone's tried to come at it
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  with a way of trying to operate in, you know, inclusive and
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  fairness with those things front of mind and came up with a
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  reasonable solution. So I'm for.
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  All right, so if you actually finished, if you actually say if
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  you weren't one of the three girls that went on and you were
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  your one who can't was in 4th and went on to win it, would you
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  really feel like you earned that spot?
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  So part of my so part of my job is to read rules and apply rules
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  as they're they're read and by the letter of the law, I think
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  like. No, but I'm asking as a person
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  like would you feel like you deserve to go?
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  We're not talking about like you personally, would you?
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  I know I wouldn't because you didn't come like 3 girls were
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  way ahead. I think it's bullshit that
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  American bend the rule. Like they just get to bend the
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  rules. Like they fucked up.
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  They have to deal with the shit. Like I know the three girls,
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  they would give up their spots. Apparently in interviews people
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  have said that they would give up their spots.
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  But I wouldn't want to ask. Them to stopping or stopping
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  Ireland going off and making a mistake so we get to send
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  another trade. Well, they're not going to.
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  It's not. No, they're not counting.
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  They're just being allowed to participate.
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  Yeah, but it's still not fair. They still have 7 American on
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  the start line. I learn more towards Owen's
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  point of view, but I think the the, the whole participation
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  thing in like a global championship or whatever.
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  It's not about participation is that this is like the top of the
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  top and we don't need to be like sympathizing with people who've
• 1:59:47
  who've. Done nothing wrong.
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  Yeah, yeah. And earned the right because
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  they won their ranks. And part of part of, I guess.
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  Have you ever gone off course, Owen?
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  Such word now. Ryan and I are quite experienced
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  in this. So there's a lot of empathy for,
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  you know, now you've got to these, I don't know, Look, I
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  hear your point and I think it's very valid.
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  I also empathize with the people that potentially at some point
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  thought they might have run their way onto a team without
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  necessarily knowing all the particulars of what was
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  unfolding on the day. Yeah, I, I think, I think
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  they've tried to, I think they've copped a lot of Flack,
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  the US track and field for how they've handled this sort of
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  stuff. I think they tried to do what is
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  in the spirit of trying to be fair and inclusive as it's a
• 2:00:42
  once off. I I also think that, yeah,
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  today. And it's questionable whether or
• 2:00:47
  not they're at their spots too, but technically they did.
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  So it's hard for someone to say you shouldn't be allowed to go.
• 2:00:55
  I reckon if, if the US requested it, that alone would have been
• 2:00:59
  enough to signal their intent and like compensate the the
• 2:01:04
  three women who technically crossed the line 1st and then it
• 2:01:08
  would have been happily resolved with, OK, we paid you all as
• 2:01:11
  winners. But like, we're all in agreement
• 2:01:13
  that the three who are going on the team are the three who went
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  off course and World Athletic should have had a bit of
• 2:01:20
  integrity and backbone about them and maybe just said, like,
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  sorry, we're not like kind of here to compensate for your
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  mistakes. The rules are the rules.
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  So why do you get to send the three that went off course then?
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  Why do you think they did better?
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  They were well at It's not like it was close.
• 2:01:41
  Why was it better? Runners like the standard
• 2:01:44
  qualifying standard. They are good enough.
• 2:01:47
  What happens if someone accidentally ran onto the inside
• 2:01:50
  of the track at the US trials and then like stumbled into the
• 2:01:53
  track and stumbled out and they were winning, but they the.
• 2:01:57
  Girls haven't brought their standard, they haven't run a
• 2:02:00
  standard. These other three are way way
• 2:02:02
  better. So they should go because
• 2:02:08
  they've run the standard. And they are better runners.
• 2:02:11
  They were going to win. If there was no freaking detour,
• 2:02:16
  they would have won. Like, I wouldn't mind.
• 2:02:18
  I don't think. I think they can only let three
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  wear the proper uniform. I think the others don't.
• 2:02:23
  They don't get to wear the proper uniform.
• 2:02:25
  I actually think it's a pity vote and I I don't know why the
• 2:02:28
  hell you'd want to go. Maybe a nice little holiday to
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  Copenhagen. I don't know.
• 2:02:32
  I'll be on the sidelines. There anyway maybe to say yeah.
• 2:02:37
  That probably is also all the federations.
• 2:02:40
  I don't know exactly, but maybe say for example UK, who've got
• 2:02:44
  who would have 3 entrants in it, they might now look at their
• 2:02:47
  fourth fastest and be like, hey, our fourth fastest is faster
• 2:02:51
  than any of these American ones like the 4th, the 5th, 6th and
• 2:02:56
  7th ones. Why do they get to take those
• 2:02:59
  girls and we have a fourth person who's faster than them
• 2:03:02
  just because they messed up. But I mean, it's ultimately it's
• 2:03:12
  harmless, isn't it? No like they can like change the
• 2:03:17
  team like you can run a tax to race and that like 7 women.
• 2:03:22
  I don't get why it's 7 like why is it not three an extra 3?
• 2:03:27
  Where are you sending an extra 4?
• 2:03:31
  I mean, maybe they thought you shoot for seven, you might land
• 2:03:34
  at six. They actually asked for 8:00.
• 2:03:41
  I don't know. Leave it there.
• 2:03:46
  Double trouble. From both, From both sides.
• 2:03:50
  Even though I have another one that'll hold off for next week.
• 2:03:54
  Oh, you picked my curiosity, but.
• 2:03:59
  Little Taser. Yeah.
• 2:04:01
  What's the subject? Running.
• 2:04:05
  You know. Holder, another podcast selling.
• 2:04:09
  Oh yeah, Holder. Yeah.
• 2:04:15
  Hold it off, we need to get some restrictions around who this
• 2:04:21
  content goes out to before you start far enough.
• 2:04:24
  That might need to be behind, yeah.
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  I will. All right, I reckon we're done.
• 2:04:32
  Unless we Owen, you're you're definitely done.
• 2:04:35
  Dean, you got anything else to say?
• 2:04:40
  No good. All right, good.
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  Legal training, boys, we're on the up.
• 2:04:46
  Let's go. Let's go road London calling out
• 2:04:50
  next week. Out this week.
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  Loads of good shit coming. Sayonara.
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  Yeah, Ciao. See you guys.