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Star Corporate Lawyer Accused of Being Long-Time SERIAL RAPIST · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. I have dealt with many,
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Speaker 1: many rape victims, sex assault victims of all sorts, and
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Speaker 1: I have learned that a rape victim is never the same.
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Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer, I'm not a shrink. But
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Speaker 1: every single rape victim, and there have been many, dozens
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Speaker 1: and dozens and dozens of them, always say their lives
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Speaker 1: are never the same. They go on, they continue with
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Speaker 1: their families, as mothers, as wives, working from an hourly
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Speaker 1: fee to people, women that make hundreds of thousands of
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Speaker 1: dollars a year. It affects all of them very much
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Speaker 1: the same way. Something breaks and it can't be fixed.
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Speaker 1: They learn to go on because they are strong and resilient.
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Speaker 1: I wonder how this rape victim feels knowing that her
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Speaker 1: attacker has raped so many times in the past and
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Speaker 1: was never brought to justice. I'm easy, grace. This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Vaccination in series XM one eleven. Why wasn't he stopped before?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to the rape victim speaking out Lorie
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Speaker 1: Pinkham to our friends at GM.
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Speaker 2: I was had been out at one of the clubs.
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Speaker 2: I was doing promotions for and I was walking to
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Speaker 2: my car. He pulled up in his car next to
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Speaker 2: me and kind of cut me off and started yelling
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Speaker 2: to me like something like, hey, oh hey, I did
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Speaker 2: I saw you.
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Speaker 1: Do you need a ride?
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Speaker 2: I was like, no, I'm okay. And that's when I
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Speaker 2: saw he had a gun in his hand and he
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Speaker 2: just said get in the car.
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Speaker 1: And I.
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Speaker 2: Just got really scared and I did got in the car.
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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to makes sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know right now? How is this guy allowed
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Speaker 1: to roam the streets be free when many believed he
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Speaker 1: committed rapes in the past. Let me go first to
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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, prior, an investigator, former Federal Task Force officer
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Speaker 1: for USDJ Department of Justice with the DEA and the
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Speaker 1: Miami Field Division. Never like a business there, former homicide
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Speaker 1: detective in Crimes against Women and Children investigator. You can
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Speaker 1: find them at Crispin's Special Investigations. Robert Crispin, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. I'm going to you first because
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Speaker 1: that is an age old ploy to get a victim.
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Speaker 1: You're right up and say hey, you have car trouble,
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Speaker 1: you need any help, and instead of just getting in
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Speaker 1: the car, and locking the door, trying to anyway. The victim,
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Speaker 1: not knowing any better, trying to be polite, says, oh no,
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Speaker 1: I'm fine, And in those few moments that she responds,
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Speaker 1: it's like a hyena out on the serengetti just waiting
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Speaker 1: for the gazelle, the slowest gazelle and the herd, and
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Speaker 1: that's who gets attacked. In those few moments, hey moves in.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, you know, there's so many different ployees that
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Speaker 3: these guys use, you know, to hey, pull over, you
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Speaker 3: know you're getting a flat tire, or the simple little
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Speaker 3: tap bump at an intersection. Oh, I'm so sorry. Can
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Speaker 3: you go ahead and pull your car over to the right.
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Speaker 3: Let's just pull into that parking lot. Let's talk for
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Speaker 3: a minute. And then the next thing you know, he's
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Speaker 3: pulling them into a penalty box. Out comes the weapon
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Speaker 3: and it just overloads the victim to the point where
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Speaker 3: they don't know what to do. They become tunnel vision,
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Speaker 3: they become freaked out. They just freeze and they don't
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Speaker 3: know what to do, and the next thing, you know,
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Speaker 3: they just comply because they don't want to die.
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Speaker 1: Jane Fisher is joining US, a former Chief Deputy prosecutor
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Speaker 1: in Boise, Idaho, former Special Crimes chief deputy, specializing in
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Speaker 1: multiple facets of criminal law, including sex assault. Now she's
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Speaker 1: director of curriculum building Hope Today. Jane, thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for joining us. I see the same mo modus
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Speaker 1: opera and my method of operations over and over and
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Speaker 1: over again. Wouldn't you agree Jane, that once you get
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Speaker 1: in the car, it's all over.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean it's it's absolutely all over. And it's
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Speaker 4: really hard to teach women to get the message out
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Speaker 4: about what to do in those sort of circumstances, especially
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Speaker 4: when a weapon like a gun is involved. You know,
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Speaker 4: we you know, we try to teach folks and you know,
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Speaker 4: fight flight, those sorts of things, but when when somebody
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Speaker 4: pull out a gun, it's real difficult to know what
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Speaker 4: to do.
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Speaker 1: At that point, and it's ingrained and so many of
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Speaker 1: us to be polite, be courteous, be kind. When somebody says, hey,
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Speaker 1: do you need help, of course most of us will
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Speaker 1: turn around and go no, no, no, we're fine, And
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Speaker 1: in that split second, that's when everything goes down. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to more from victim Laurie Pinkham.
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Speaker 2: I started getting scared and he kept driving. As soon
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Speaker 2: as we got to Charlestown and he stopped the car.
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Speaker 2: I tried to run as fast as I could, and
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Speaker 2: he got up to me, and that's when he read me,
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Speaker 2: what did that night take away from you? It took
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Speaker 2: away my freedom.
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Speaker 1: Honestly, it took away my freedom. Joining us in addition
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Speaker 1: to Robert Crispin and Jeane Fisher is doctor Sherry Schwartz,
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Speaker 1: a forensic psychologist specializing in capital mitigation and victim advocacy.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at panthermitigation dot com. Doctor Sherry,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Hearing Laurie speak is
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Speaker 1: heartbreaking to me because I know that she's right. Before
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Speaker 1: I started representing rape victims for so many years, I
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Speaker 1: didn't get it. Now I do. Her freedom has been
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Speaker 1: taken away from her. No, she's not locked, awigh, She's
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Speaker 1: not in prison. What does she mean by that, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Sherry Schwartz.
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Speaker 5: It is a prison of sorts. It's a psychological prison
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Speaker 5: that victims of sexual violence have a very very difficult
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Speaker 5: time freeing themselves from, because, especially in crimes like this
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Speaker 5: where it's described it, he happens upon her and forcibly
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Speaker 5: takes her and rapes her. You never feel safe. It's very,
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Speaker 5: very difficult to go out into public and live your
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Speaker 5: daily life because here's somebody that approaches you and says, hey,
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Speaker 5: do you need help, or they forcibly attack you from behind.
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Speaker 5: You don't see it coming, You don't know who you
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Speaker 5: can trust, you don't know who is in your area,
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Speaker 5: and it's this constant state of post traumatic stress.
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Speaker 1: You know, I've just been thinking about her words. I
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Speaker 1: lost my freedom. This woman was minding her own business.
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Speaker 1: In many Jerry trials where I've represented rape victims, I've
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Speaker 1: seen the defense try to smear the victim, like what
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Speaker 1: time of the night was if, where were you? Why
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Speaker 1: were you by yourself? Oh, it goes on and on on.
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Speaker 1: Why was your skirt short? Why was your blouse low?
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Speaker 1: Why were you by yourself? Blah blah blah, And it
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Speaker 1: goes on to why were you out jogging? Why were
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Speaker 1: you wearing a jogging bra and shorts? I mean, it
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Speaker 1: could be anything to somehow put the blame on the victim,
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Speaker 1: and now her life is changed forever. Take a listener
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Speaker 1: more from Laurie.
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Speaker 2: A big part of my life stop that day I
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Speaker 2: couldn't work. I didn't want to spend time with anybody.
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Speaker 2: Every day I've lived in fear.
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Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking. I feel like.
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Speaker 6: There's a part of her that didn't get to continue
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Speaker 6: her life, you know. So she didn't finish growing up
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Speaker 6: to become a woman with a career and a family,
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Speaker 6: and I know that breaks her heart.
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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Joining us right now is
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Speaker 1: veteran reporter investigative reporter Bob Ward with Boston twenty five. Bob,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Where did this happen?
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Speaker 1: Tell me the circumstances surrounding this incident. And I also
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Speaker 1: want to point out, Bob Ward, as you know better
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Speaker 1: than anybody. Very often sex assault victims names and picku
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Speaker 1: their photographs. Their images are not made public. But in
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Speaker 1: this case, Laurie decided to speak out. That was her decision,
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Speaker 1: and you know what, Bob, I'm proud of her. I
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Speaker 1: will never forget, Bob. One of the several serial rape
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Speaker 1: cases that I prosecuted. At that time, Court TV was
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Speaker 1: just getting going and they asked could they be in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom for this serial rape case? And I didn't
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Speaker 1: bet and I have said absolutely not. That is not happening.
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Speaker 1: These ladies do not want their faces out there or
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Speaker 1: their names.
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Speaker 7: They don't.
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Speaker 1: And the Court TV guy said, well, could you just
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Speaker 1: ask them. I'm like, yeah, they're not going to want
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Speaker 1: your camera up in their face. So I said no.
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Speaker 1: But I did as I said I would. Bob asked
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Speaker 1: the ladies. I think I had either four or five
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Speaker 1: victims of one rapistaid oh yeah, there were more, but
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Speaker 1: I went forward with those and I told them about
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Speaker 1: court TV's offer, and then I had, of course declined it,
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Speaker 1: and they went, wait a minute, we didn't do anything wrong.
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Speaker 1: We're not ashamed. He should be ashamed. And do you
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Speaker 1: know Court TV broadcasts the rape case, including all of
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Speaker 1: their testimony, And I thought about it, and you know,
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Speaker 1: moments when I wasn't directing or cross examining somebody in court,
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Speaker 1: I thought about that decision of theirs because this was
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Speaker 1: you know, I guess it would have been about nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety six. How brave that was. But they're right, why
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Speaker 1: should they be ashamed? He should be the one that's ashamed.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, And thanks for having me. Lorie Pinkham, I am
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Speaker 7: with you. I am so impressed by her for not
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Speaker 7: only going public, but she went to court on the
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Speaker 7: arrangement because she wanted to see this guy and to
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Speaker 7: come forward and talk about this is just you know,
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Speaker 7: it's just incredible. I covered a big rape trial in
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Speaker 7: Boston a few months ago, maybe last year, and it
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Speaker 7: was the same sort of thing. When that rape victim
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Speaker 7: got up in the stand and spoke in intimate detail
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Speaker 7: of what happened to her over a matter of days,
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Speaker 7: it was it was gut wrenching. So in this particular case,
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Speaker 7: for Lorie Pinkham to come out and make a stand,
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Speaker 7: she's saying, I matter, and what happened to me matters,
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Speaker 7: and I want someone to be held accountable for this.
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Speaker 1: And the phraseology that my husband and I like to
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Speaker 1: use the most, screw him and the horse he rode
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Speaker 1: in on. Why should he get the benefit of having
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Speaker 1: the victim afraid or coward out of shame? She did
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Speaker 1: nothing wrong. Guys, again with me is Bob Ward, investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter for Boston twenty five. He's been on the story
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Speaker 1: from the very very beginning. Tell me about how this
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Speaker 1: attack and that's what it is, right, And I'm going
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Speaker 1: to go back to Sherry Schwartz and Jean Fisher. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Sherry Schwartz and Jean Fisher. This is not about sex.
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Speaker 1: This is about a violent attack. Where did this happen?
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Speaker 1: How did it happen? Bob Ward, So.
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Speaker 7: What we've known so far is that women were taken
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Speaker 7: off the streets of Boston, either through some kind of
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Speaker 7: convincing them to get in the car or by force,
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Speaker 7: and then driven from downtown Boston across the river into Charlestown, Massachusetts,
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Speaker 7: which is a part of Boston. It's on the other
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Speaker 7: side of the river near the Bunker Hill Monument, and
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Speaker 7: taken to an isolated area where there are not a
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Speaker 7: lot of cars going by shipyards, that sort of thing industrial,
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Speaker 7: and that's where they were attacked. One of the women
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Speaker 7: was out for a jog, not to pick up from Boston,
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Speaker 7: was out for a jog, and she fought back and
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Speaker 7: got away. But essentially three of the four were taken
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Speaker 7: from Boston and driven out to the location where the
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Speaker 7: rapes took place.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, So what I'm hearing right now is that
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Speaker 1: there were multiple crime scenes with each sex attack. There
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Speaker 1: is the point of kidnap, there is the vehicle inside
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Speaker 1: the car, and my mind is racing with the possibilities
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Speaker 1: of all of the forensic evidence that can be obtained
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Speaker 1: from the car the point of the kidnapping. Already thinking,
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Speaker 1: were there surveillance cameras, what can I do to gather
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Speaker 1: information and marshal that information to turn it into evidence.
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Speaker 1: You've got the vehicle, You've got the route, if it
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Speaker 1: could ever be identified. I don't know if the women
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Speaker 1: were blindfolded or pushed down in a seat where they
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Speaker 1: couldn't see where they were going. But as in the
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Speaker 1: case Jennifer Doulo's the missing Connecticut mom of five, I
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Speaker 1: just can't get over how Connecticut police put together kind
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Speaker 1: of a video surveillance via surveillance real really is what
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Speaker 1: it was of the defendant at this red light, then
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Speaker 1: that red light, and the one that really grabbed me
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Speaker 1: is when they managed to get a public transit bus
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Speaker 1: and when the doors to that bus opened, the camera
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Speaker 1: caught the defendant Fotus Dulo's Jennifer's husband go buy in
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Speaker 1: a car. I mean, they tracked his every movement along
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Speaker 1: the route up to where he went to have the
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Speaker 1: murder vehicle cleaned out and detailed. So I'm just wondering
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Speaker 1: if that type of evidence could be obtained in this case.
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Speaker 1: If we can track the route. So you've got the
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Speaker 1: primary crime scene of the kidnapping, the secondary crime scene
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Speaker 1: of the asportation as it is called in the law,
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Speaker 1: in the vehicle, and then the third tertiary crime scene
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Speaker 1: would be where the rape, where the sex attack occurred.
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Speaker 1: Bob once he had raped these women, specifically Laurie, what
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Speaker 1: did he just dump her out right there?
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Speaker 7: I think that's the allegation that he just left them
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Speaker 7: there and he took off.
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Speaker 1: Did the rape occur in his vehicle?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 7: I think Laurie's took place outside because I think she
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Speaker 7: got out of the car and ran and he tackled
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Speaker 7: her and attacked her. And then there was also the
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Speaker 7: fourth victim who he was already at the scene. She's
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Speaker 7: according to the complaint, and he tackled her from behind,
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Speaker 7: So that happened outside the car as well the other two.
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Speaker 7: I just don't know.
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Speaker 1: So what do you make of that? Robert Crispin, joining
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Speaker 1: US private investigator former said with the DJ Department of Justice,
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Speaker 1: what do you make of the changing moos? You know,
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Speaker 1: people always go, oh, this isn't him because it's a
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Speaker 1: little bit of a different mo No, perhaps change their
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Speaker 1: mos when they need to.
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Speaker 3: They do, and these things just depending on how long
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Speaker 3: it goes before you get caught, they escalate, they get
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Speaker 3: more and more violence.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, in addition to Bob Ward, Robert Crispin,
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Speaker 1: doctor Sherry Schwartz, and Jean fish Sure, Rachel Countryman is
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Speaker 1: joining us forensic nurse expert for Godoy Medical Forensic. She's
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Speaker 1: a sex assault nurse examiner, saying, sex assault nurse examiner, Rachel,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. So once
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Speaker 1: the woman, the victim in this case has been attacked,
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Speaker 1: if she's got the guts and if she can bring
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Speaker 1: herself to do it, she then goes in for a
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Speaker 1: rape kit exam. Explain what that is, Rachel.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Nancy, So a sexual assault forensic examination also is
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Speaker 8: called a safe is a medical exam. So first, more
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Speaker 8: first and foremost, so patients come in, we look at
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Speaker 8: them for possible injuries, treating them for acute injuries. And
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Speaker 8: then as we are doing that, we're doing a comprehensive
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Speaker 8: head to toe exam. With that, we are collecting evidence.
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Speaker 8: I mean, we have to remember that you know, the
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Speaker 8: crime scene, there's there's evidence of the crime scene, but
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Speaker 8: their bodies, the clothing, they're wearing or any of their
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Speaker 8: personal belongings can also be called described as a crime scene,
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Speaker 8: so DNA evidence could be collected from them during this exam.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you describe it that way, it doesn't
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Speaker 1: sound so bad, but it actually is bad. So what
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Speaker 1: a rape kit exam entails requires you to perform a
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Speaker 1: pelvic exam, not just regarding the woman's vagina, but her
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Speaker 1: rectum as well.
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Speaker 8: Yes, so this exam is very intimate, I like to say,
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Speaker 8: and we intimate.
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Speaker 1: That's one that's certainly putting perfume on the pig. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if I've called it. Yeah, I've got to
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Speaker 1: call it more invasive.
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Speaker 8: Yes, and invasive. You are absolutely right. So, uh, we
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Speaker 8: talked about the trauma that thesectems are going through and
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Speaker 8: the emotions that they're feeling. And yes, as you described,
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Speaker 8: we do need to look very carefully in their genital area,
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Speaker 8: especially if there was penetration there or their anus, and
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Speaker 8: we are using a speculum, so not only may they
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Speaker 8: be have injuries there and bleeding or pain, but we're
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Speaker 8: having to use speculum to look inside the victim to
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Speaker 8: see if there are injuries inside as well. And sometimes
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Speaker 8: with these really violent crimes, they may need to go
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Speaker 8: and have surgery done. You know that that happens, and
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Speaker 8: then you know, turning to the rectum or the anal
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Speaker 8: exam as you described, people don't like to have that
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Speaker 8: done as a medical exam, let alone when they've been violated.
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Speaker 8: We also have a instrument called an anoscope, which is
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Speaker 8: very similar to a speculum, where it is in inserted
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Speaker 8: into the anus, into the rectal canal, and that allows
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Speaker 8: us to be able to look inside again to look
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Speaker 8: for injuries and collect swaps. So very intrusive, very invasive procedures,
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Speaker 8: and it takes hours. Like we're not talking about someone
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Speaker 8: coming in and thirty minutes they're out the door. We're
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Speaker 8: talking four to six hours minimum. And that's just depending
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Speaker 8: on what we're looking at, what kind of injuries we're
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Speaker 8: documenting and photographing and all of that.
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Speaker 1: What types of surgeries do you write victims sometimes have
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Speaker 1: to undergo.
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Speaker 8: Well, depending on what the injuries could be. There could
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Speaker 8: be lacerations inside the body, so just from force or
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Speaker 8: if objects were used, they can be lacerated in the
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Speaker 8: vaginal canal. They could have injuries inside the rectum of
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Speaker 8: the anus too. So those are the type those things
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Speaker 8: mostly that would be like an acute injury that would
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Speaker 8: need surgery.
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Speaker 1: So that is what Laurie Pinkham and many many other
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Speaker 1: ripe victims endure. But then we learn about a link,
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Speaker 1: a link to other rapes. How did it happen? Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Laurie herself speaking to our friends at ABC.
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Speaker 9: Prosecutors say DNA testing link Nilo to Laurie's unsolved sexual
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Speaker 9: assault case and to three others. When you looked at
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Speaker 9: a picture of the suspect, what did you notice?
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Speaker 2: His eyes? His eyes mostly I just remember them because
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Speaker 2: they were like black.
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Speaker 5: Are you confident that this is the guy?
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Speaker 2: Yes? Absolutely.
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Speaker 9: Authority say they checked DNA from the victim's rape kits
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Speaker 9: against publicly accessible genealogy websites, eventually lead them to Nilo,
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Speaker 9: who has pleaded not guilty to seven counts. Lourie vowing
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Speaker 9: to face him in court.
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Speaker 2: I want him to know that I'm not scared of
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Speaker 2: him at all.
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Speaker 1: Back to investigative reporter joining us from Boston twenty five,
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Speaker 1: Bob Ward, who is Matthew Neilo?
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Speaker 7: Bob, Well, it turns out he's a young man. He's
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Speaker 7: an attorney in New Jersey. He has a really good job.
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Speaker 7: He's making some money. Was engaged, became engaged just a
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Speaker 7: short time according to his Facebook. He became engaged a
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Speaker 7: short time before he was arrested. He went to school.
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Speaker 7: He grew up here in Boston. He went to Boston Latin.
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Speaker 7: He lived in the North End of Boston, and then
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Speaker 7: when he left when he graduated high school, he went
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Speaker 7: off to study psychology at the University of Wisconsin and
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Speaker 7: Madison got his law degree in twenty fifteen and then
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Speaker 7: moved out to New York. Work in San Francisco for
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Speaker 7: a while, had a job at a law firm there.
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Speaker 7: Came to New York twenty nineteen, admitted to the bar,
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Speaker 7: and he worked for a cyber insurance company called cow Bell.
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Speaker 7: He was a cyberclaims council and he was hired according
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Speaker 7: to the company, in January twenty twenty three after he
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Speaker 7: passed a background check. So he was he was living
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Speaker 7: a good life as a corporate attorney.
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Speaker 5: Nancy.
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Speaker 1: So this is a guy who has passed the bar.
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Speaker 1: He has had positions that are pretty impressive. Yet he
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Speaker 1: managed to keep his alleged double life as a serial
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Speaker 1: rapist totally sacred Bob.
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Speaker 7: You know, these rapes were stranger rapes where the victim
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Speaker 7: doesn't know who the attacker is, and when these rapes
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Speaker 7: were committed, there was no connection between the two of them.
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Speaker 7: And we can't get inside his head, but it appears
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Speaker 7: he put enough time and space between these events and
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Speaker 7: his new life. He probably thought they would never find him,
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Speaker 7: and if it wasn't for the emergence of this genealogical
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Speaker 7: family history DNA, he probably could have gotten away with this.
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Speaker 1: Can you say he put enough time and space between
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Speaker 1: him and the rights? What do you mean by that, Bob?
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Speaker 7: I mean the amount of years, you know, two thousand
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Speaker 7: and seven, two thousand and eight, sixteen years. It's another
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Speaker 7: lifetime ago. And then he go he leaves New England.
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Speaker 7: He's living currently in New Jersey, but he also went
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Speaker 7: out west. He goes out in Wisconsin and he's in
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Speaker 7: San Francisco. You know, if in his mind I would think,
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Speaker 7: I mean, they're experts in the panel better than I do.
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Speaker 7: But I can see where he would think that I
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Speaker 7: got away with that They're never going to find me.
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Speaker 7: There's no connection between myself and the victims, and I
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Speaker 7: can move on with my.
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Speaker 1: Life except for DNA. Take a listen to our art
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Speaker 1: cut to the Boston Police Commissioner Michael Cox, this.
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Speaker 10: Arrest accumulates the investigation that employed the use of friends
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Speaker 10: genealogy from recovered evidence. All four cases are DNA connected.
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Speaker 10: These investigations utilize sexual assault evidence collection kits, which is
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Speaker 10: with the assistance of detectives and identifying the suspects as
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Speaker 10: the investigations continue. Added resources for this investigation, in addition
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Speaker 10: to the assistance from our partners at the DA's office
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Speaker 10: and the FBI, were provided through the Sexual Assault Kit
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Speaker 10: Initiative GRANT better known.
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Speaker 1: ASAKI and our cut one. The Boston Police Commissioner late.
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Speaker 10: This afternoon in the Boston Police Department, along with the
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Speaker 10: New Jersey and the Boston FBI offices, as well as
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Speaker 10: the Hudson County Sheriff's Office, arrested Matthew Nilo, aged thirty five,
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Speaker 10: formerly of the Boston North End. Nilo is charged with
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Speaker 10: three counts of aggurated rate, two counts of kidnapping, one
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Speaker 10: count of assault would attempt to rape, and one count
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Speaker 10: of in decent assault and battery. The arrests them from
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Speaker 10: a sexual assault incidents committed on August eighteenth, two thousand seven.
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Speaker 10: No him twenty second, two thousand and seven, August fifth,
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Speaker 10: two thousand and eight, December twenty third, two thousand and eight,
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Speaker 10: in the Terminal Street area of Charlestown.
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Speaker 1: Say, for all these years this rapist walked free. He
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Speaker 1: was out free, roaming the streets, having now passed the
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Speaker 1: bar and held down multiple positions as a lawyer to
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Speaker 1: rape Laurie. According to prosecutors, take a list an hour
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Speaker 1: cut for our friends at CBS two.
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Speaker 11: He was under surveillance when investigators tracked corporate Manhattan attorney
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Speaker 11: Matthew Nilo down at an event, swooping in and grabbing
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Speaker 11: DNA from his utensils and the glass he drank from.
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Speaker 12: How do you plead to those offenses?
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Speaker 11: His fiance watching clutching rosary beads as prosecutors accused him
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Speaker 11: of raping three women as many as sixteen years ago.
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Speaker 11: They also say he tried to attack a fourth and
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Speaker 11: more August eighteenth, two thousand and seven, his first reported case.
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Speaker 13: The mail told her to shut up or he would
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Speaker 13: kill her, and then he had a weapon.
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Speaker 11: November twenty second, two thousand and seven, a second one.
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Speaker 13: Where he ordered the victim out of the car knocked
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Speaker 13: her to the ground and raped her.
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Speaker 11: Then August fifth, two thousand and eight, a third rape.
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Speaker 13: Matt Kit yielded a male DNA profile which is matched
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Speaker 13: to the unknown mail profile from the previous.
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Speaker 11: To December twenty three, two thousand and eight, a fourth
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Speaker 11: woman was able to stop her attacker. Prosecutors say the
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Speaker 11: DNA from a glove shows another likely link.
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Speaker 1: We see the same mo here, the same method of operation.
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Speaker 1: But to Bill McKay simply on copycat crimes is difficult.
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Speaker 1: I've done it before. The DNA makes all the difference.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now. Renowned in his field, Michael Brophy
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Speaker 1: with Browthy Professional Genealogy and Air Searching is a professional
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Speaker 1: genealogist based in Boston. You can find him at brophygen
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Speaker 1: dot com. Michael, thank you for being with us. Explain
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Speaker 1: the type of DNA that was used to match up
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Speaker 1: these cases and identify thirty five year old Matthew Nilo.
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Speaker 12: Nancy, thank you for having me. The type of testing
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Speaker 12: that was done, according to one report, was done by
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Speaker 12: a company called twenty three and Me, which is known
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Speaker 12: for medical testing for predispositions to some genetic disorders. Basically,
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Speaker 12: what happens in these cases is that law enforcement uses
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Speaker 12: investigative genealogy in the DNA testing databases to upload a
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Speaker 12: DNA profile were covered from evidence from the case, from
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Speaker 12: the crime scene, and then they'll match it to a
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Speaker 12: DNA database like twenty three and me according to one
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Speaker 12: report that I saw, and basically what happened is that
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Speaker 12: they will match it up to a relative and then
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Speaker 12: the genealogists will go and trace the family tree forward
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Speaker 12: to a person of interest. I think it's important to
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Speaker 12: know that the techniques used by investigative genealogists do not
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Speaker 12: solve the crime, but they provide good leads for law
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Speaker 12: enforcement to track down a person who may have committed this.
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Speaker 12: And I get the feeling from this that there may
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Speaker 12: have been more than one suspect on this if this
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Speaker 12: goes in the way that most cases go, I.
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Speaker 1: Don't know of any other suspects, do you.
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Speaker 7: Bob Board No, I think this is the only suspect
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Speaker 7: we just saw.
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Speaker 1: In for instance, just an example, in the Brian Coburger case,
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Speaker 1: the DNA match was one out of five point three
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Speaker 1: Octilian likelihood that the DNA donors anybody but Brian Coburger.
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Speaker 1: I mean that's more people than live on the planet
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Speaker 1: or have ever lived on planet Earth. So I don't
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Speaker 1: know about any other suspect that would have even a
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Speaker 1: similar DNA match other than Matthew Nilo the lawyer.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think what I meant to say was that
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Speaker 12: there is when you're tracing the family tree forward, usually
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Speaker 12: there are several people of interest, and perhaps the law
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Speaker 12: enforcement when they went out and tried to search for
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Speaker 12: a particular person, mister Nilo or otherwise they eliminated some
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Speaker 12: people based on lack of a DNA match. When they
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Speaker 12: recovered his DNA from the silverware and the water glass,
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Speaker 12: I believe it was at this corporate function that he
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Speaker 12: was attending. So yeah, I mean to your point, I
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Speaker 12: don't believe that there were any other suspects in this case,
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Speaker 12: but to do their due diligence, I believe law enforcement
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Speaker 12: would have to look at a number of different people
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Speaker 12: and then narrow it down to this particular guy.
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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace mob War joining us from
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Speaker 1: Boston twenty five, could you describe what Michael Brophy was
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Speaker 1: discussing regarding getting the DNA match off silverware left behind
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Speaker 1: at a corporate event.
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Speaker 7: Sure, it appears that Boston police and the FBI, when
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Speaker 7: they started narrowing things down, they got that family match,
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Speaker 7: and then they needed to get the full match, and
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Speaker 7: he would have been on his list of people. He
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Speaker 7: would have lived in the North end of the time.
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Speaker 7: There was a sketch produced at the time of these
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Speaker 7: rapes these attacks. He looks like the sketch, so he
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Speaker 7: zarrowed in on him and they had to follow him
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Speaker 7: around and put him on surveillance, and they found an
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Speaker 7: event that he attended where they could watch him take
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Speaker 7: a drink from a glass, use some utensils, and then
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Speaker 7: when he put those things down, they grabbed them and
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Speaker 7: that's what they used. That's where they got his DNA
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Speaker 7: to run against their unknown sample off these rape kits.
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Speaker 7: The same thing they did in the Boston Strangler case
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Speaker 7: when they came up with an arrest in twenty thirteen,
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Speaker 7: they got a family member of Albert DeSalvo did the
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Speaker 7: exact same thing Boston police and they got a match
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Speaker 7: that showed a DNA match for the final victim of
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Speaker 7: the Boston Strangler. So it's interesting. It's an interesting technique.
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Speaker 1: It really is. I've seen DNA matches taken off of
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Speaker 1: a discarded pizza crust before you know, And again to
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Speaker 1: the coburger case. The coburger father's DNA I believe was
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Speaker 1: taken off a cigarette butt that he had thrown out.
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Speaker 1: It was taken off trash the father had thrown out
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Speaker 1: at his home in the Pocono's Doctor Sherry Schwartz joining
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Speaker 1: US forensic psychologist Doctor Sherry. He really thought he was
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Speaker 1: home free. He was living a life with a new
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Speaker 1: beautiful fiance. Now he's passed the bar, holding down a
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Speaker 1: corporate job, I mean, live at large and throwing out
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Speaker 1: or discarding, abandoning the silverware and cutlery at this corporate event.
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Speaker 1: No idea the cops were surveilling him.
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Speaker 5: No, that that's pretty clear that he really thought he
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Speaker 5: had gotten away with this and that he was living
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Speaker 5: his best life in from what I understand, the luxury
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Speaker 5: condominium complex in New Jersey, you know, having his dream
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Speaker 5: job as an attorney, and that this was all far
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Speaker 5: behind him. So I imagine that it was quite a
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Speaker 5: shock to him. I did see a photo of him
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Speaker 5: in one of the news stories where it appears to
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Speaker 5: me he looks very angry and almost indignant at having
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Speaker 5: been caught.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing that he's angry that he's gotten caught. It's
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Speaker 1: also amazing. How you know, and I'm sure you've seen
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Speaker 1: this many times. Jeene Fisher Gene, chief deputy prosecutor out
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Speaker 1: of Boise, who's handled so many rape cases. Gene, how
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Speaker 1: the rape victim's life is forever changed. Like you hear
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Speaker 1: Laurie describing how she lost her freedom. She can't go out,
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Speaker 1: she can't interact with people after being kidnapped and brutally raped.
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Speaker 1: It's changed her forever. And here's this guy charged with
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Speaker 1: all these rapes, this lawyer out of New Jersey, and
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Speaker 1: he's living large. He's got a whole new life, corporate
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Speaker 1: legal job, new fiance, the works. It's like none of
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Speaker 1: this meant anything to him. He's probably already forgotten about
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Speaker 1: it all.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean victims, you know, Like she said, Lari said,
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Speaker 4: her life has completely been changed. Everything that she's done
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Speaker 4: in her daily life since that time has changed, as
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Speaker 4: far as not only who she thinks she herself and
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Speaker 4: how she perceives everybody else around her. And that constant
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Speaker 4: sense of looking over your shoulder that you know you're
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Speaker 4: that you're not safe. It is it is you know.
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Speaker 4: That's what I think makes these crimes just so so difficult,
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Speaker 4: and unfortunately, I still don't think that the penalties oftentimes
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Speaker 4: match the victimization that rape victims go through. People just
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Speaker 4: don't understand how much it changes their lives and really
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Speaker 4: alters who they who they were, and who.
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Speaker 1: They've becomes a sense of powerless ness that I have
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Speaker 1: picked up from rape victims and child less station victims.
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Speaker 1: They feel powerless to control anything after the attack. Well,
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Speaker 1: this certainly is the first time a rapist has committed
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Speaker 1: rapes in the past. Years go by, the rapist is unapprehended,
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Speaker 1: it strikes again. Take a listen hour cut twenty five
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Speaker 1: our friends at w RG. I'm sure nobody has forgotten
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Speaker 1: the case of teacher Eliza Fletcher out for a run
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Speaker 1: in Memphis when she's attacked by a serial rapist. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen.
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Speaker 14: A recently tested a rape kit from a case back
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Speaker 14: on September twenty first of last year has been connected
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Speaker 14: to a man a charge with kidnapping and murdering Eliza Fletcher.
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Speaker 14: The DNA match came back the same day Fletcher's body
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Speaker 14: was found behind the abandoned house in South Memphis. According
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Speaker 14: to Memphis Police. A sexual assault report was taken on
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Speaker 14: September twenty first, twenty twenty one. The sexual assault kit
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Speaker 14: was submitted to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation two days later,
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Speaker 14: but of.
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Speaker 1: Course with nothing to compare that too. In other words,
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Speaker 1: they didn't have the purpse DNA to make a comparison
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Speaker 1: to the rape DNA. It went unsolved until he murdered
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Speaker 1: Eliza Fletcher. And just because he's a lawyer, that doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean a heel of beans. Here's an example of a
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Speaker 1: medical doctor who is a serial rapist. Take a list
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Speaker 1: now cut fourteen thoughts thirty one.
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Speaker 15: A local doctor is facing sexual assault charges, and Denver
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Speaker 15: police believe that there could be more victims out there.
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Speaker 15: According to court documents, Stephen Matthews was last arrested last
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Speaker 15: month after a woman told investigators that she was the
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Speaker 15: victim of a date rape attack in January. He's facing
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Speaker 15: three felony charges related to that case.
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Speaker 1: Now, investigators say that they've.
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Speaker 15: Received quote, subsequent information indicating that there may have been
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Speaker 15: other incidents involving Matthews. If you have any information, contact
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Speaker 15: the police department.
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Speaker 1: A renowned cardiologist, that's who we're talking about now, believed
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Speaker 1: to be a serial rapist. Back to Bob Ward. It
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Speaker 1: can be a dentist, it can be a doctor, in
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Speaker 1: this case, a lawyer, it can be a pastor. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't have to be some thug hiding behind a bush
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Speaker 1: that jumps out in the middle of the night. But
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Speaker 1: in this case, I'm very curious as to why a
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Speaker 1: aerial rapist has made bond number one and number two.
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Speaker 1: I think that the database needs to be searched in Wisconsin,
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Speaker 1: in San Francisco, an entire national database search needs to
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Speaker 1: be done because I find it hard to believe that
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Speaker 1: he went dormant for that number of years before he
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Speaker 1: started raping again.
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Speaker 7: Right, And it cuts to what you were talking about
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Speaker 7: why these rates happen. It's not for the sex, it's
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Speaker 7: for the for the power. There's something else going on.
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Speaker 7: And how does that urge just suddenly leave that person
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Speaker 7: if they feel they're invincible, that they can get away
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Speaker 7: with it and nothing is ever going to happen to them.
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Speaker 7: I agree with you, I think, and I've read that
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Speaker 7: they are searching out Wisconsin, where he went to college,
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Speaker 7: which would be an obvious place to be checking because
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Speaker 7: these other attacks took place. I think around the time
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Speaker 7: he was getting out of heis no, I have to
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Speaker 7: go back and check. I don't want to. I don't
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Speaker 7: want to commit to that, but they have to, you know,
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Speaker 7: they have to check where he was and what he
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Speaker 7: was doing and see if there are more unsolved attacks.
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Speaker 1: Like Another issue is why has this guy made bond? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't care how much is She's beautiful fiance sitting
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Speaker 1: out on the in the corner of the courtroom, clushing
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Speaker 1: a rosary. He does not need to be out on bond.
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Speaker 7: And they gave him a high bail of five million dollars,
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Speaker 7: so she posted a healthy amount of money five hundred
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Speaker 7: thousand dollars cash to put him on a GPS. But
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Speaker 7: you're right, GPS monitoring devices only works so well. And
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Speaker 7: there I can't tell you how many cases I've covered
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Speaker 7: where people waiting trial rapists cut their GPS and just
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Speaker 7: take off. And if anyone has the means to do
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Speaker 7: something like this, if they can post half a million
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Speaker 7: dollars bail, I would think there's money there that if
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Speaker 7: you really wanted to flee, he could
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Speaker 1: Oh yes, he could fla bob or we wait as
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Speaker 1: justice and of holds goodbye friend,