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Pattie Dale Tye – Ordinary to Extraordinary · Vox Novus with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, the New Voice, Vox Novus, the New Dimension,
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus thought and movement leaders who will share from
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Speaker 1: their experience and offer tools to help us navigate our
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Speaker 1: rapidly changing world. My name is Victor Furman. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus the New Voice. Is there a comprehensive roadmap
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Speaker 1: for taking your career at any stage from ordinary to extraordinary?
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Speaker 1: My guest this week on Vox Novus, Patti dale Tie,
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Speaker 1: says you can do this with passion, purpose and preparation.
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Speaker 1: Patti dale Tie has a wealth of experience with thirty
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Speaker 1: plus years of business leadership, including public, private startups and
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Speaker 1: turnaround business models. Through her extensive career and healthcare and insurance,
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Speaker 1: Patty shares invaluable insights to help readers at any stage
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Speaker 1: of their professional journey unlock their full potential and achieve
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Speaker 1: remarkable career success. Her website is patdidaletie dot com, and
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Speaker 1: she joins me this week to share her wisdom, experience
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Speaker 1: and new book Ordinary Too Extraordinary Achieving remarkable career success
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Speaker 1: through passion, purpose and preparation. Please join me in welcoming
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Speaker 1: to Vox Novis Patti dale Tie.
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Speaker 2: Victor, thank you so much for having me.
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Speaker 1: Patti, Please share with our listeners your early path and
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Speaker 1: how your career ensued and flourished.
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Speaker 2: Sure, well, I have a book that I've just published
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Speaker 2: Forbes just published it for me, and it's called Ordinary
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Speaker 2: to Extraordinary, and I bring that up right out of
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Speaker 2: the gate because my early career, my early life was very,
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Speaker 2: very ordinary. I did not go to special schools. I
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Speaker 2: was not ranked at the top of my class, not
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Speaker 2: a super athlete. I was just a very happy, normal person.
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Speaker 2: But through the course of divine intervention and hard work
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Speaker 2: preparation and the right people seeing talent in me, I
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Speaker 2: ended up with an extraordinary career. Most of my early
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Speaker 2: career was with AT and T, and they allowed me
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Speaker 2: to move all about the country, which allowed me to
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Speaker 2: learn the beauty of being comfortable in uncomfortable newness, and
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Speaker 2: they pushed me to places I never thought I would go.
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Speaker 2: I ended up in Orlando, Florida, leading most of the
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Speaker 2: largest accounts of AT and T, and then I moved
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Speaker 2: into the dot com world of startups. Did two startups
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Speaker 2: and they were lots of fun. I learned what ebit
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Speaker 2: DAHM meant and cash flow, how to open and close
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Speaker 2: a business, and then hu Mana found me needle and
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Speaker 2: a hayscat stack, and I was able to combine my
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Speaker 2: love of all things health with my love of all
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Speaker 2: things business and ended my career about six years ago
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Speaker 2: with Humana at a very very beautiful top spot. And
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Speaker 2: now I'm in my third stage, which brings.
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Speaker 1: Me to you, Victor, What inspired ordinary? Too extraordinary? And
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Speaker 1: who are the audiences that you wrote it for?
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Speaker 2: The inspiration was twofold number one to say thank you
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Speaker 2: for this incredible forty year career I've had. There are
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Speaker 2: so many people that wove their hands together to say
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Speaker 2: step here, and the audience are the places I've been
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Speaker 2: in my career, Victor. One is brand new. You know,
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Speaker 2: you've had twelve sixteen years of amazing structured learning and
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Speaker 2: then suddenly you're dropped into this place called the work place,
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Speaker 2: and it's very unstructured or can be, and you're on
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Speaker 2: your own and you don't have to, you know, show up.
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Speaker 2: If you don't show up, there'll be consequences, but there
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Speaker 2: won't be a guidance counselor a teacher that comes and
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Speaker 2: talks to you. Sort of a rough and tumble place
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Speaker 2: to be if you don't perform, and there were times
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Speaker 2: that I did not know that. So this book to
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Speaker 2: that audience is to say, let me show you some
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Speaker 2: things that will make your work life not only flourish,
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Speaker 2: but very, very joyful. It's also for that person who
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Speaker 2: steps out of career for a period of time and
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Speaker 2: now has to step in back in. That's a brave
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Speaker 2: thing to do, and I want to give that person help.
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Speaker 2: I want to remind them of the network they had
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Speaker 2: when they stepped out. I want to remind them of
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Speaker 2: the talents they had had when they stepped out and
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Speaker 2: those they built while they've been on the outside. And
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Speaker 2: I also want to remind them that they learned a
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Speaker 2: whole lot some time ago, and they can learn a
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Speaker 2: whole lot again so they are not out of the game.
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Speaker 2: And then finally, it's for that third stage person who
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Speaker 2: is scared to death to get off the merry go round.
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Speaker 2: They have been writing comfortably, sometimes uncomfortably, for thirty years.
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Speaker 2: They're scared to death to lose that identity. And I
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Speaker 2: want them to know there is a world out there
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Speaker 2: waiting for their talents, whether they continue to be paid
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Speaker 2: for those talents or whether they simply go into volunteer mode,
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Speaker 2: but they can have another layer of their identity and
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Speaker 2: continue to give back.
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Speaker 1: You start with a shout out to the ninety eight percent.
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Speaker 1: You alluded to this in your introduction. Who are the
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Speaker 1: ninety eight percent and what message do you share with them?
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Speaker 2: It is most of us. And what I wanted to
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Speaker 2: get across their victor was that social media leads us
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Speaker 2: to believe that we are less than because that two
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Speaker 2: percent is everything. They are perfect in looks and athletic
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Speaker 2: prowess and brains and support from others in schooling, in career,
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Speaker 2: and it's just it's just not so. It's a lot
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Speaker 2: of airbrush, but it can lead the ninety eight percent
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Speaker 2: of us to believe that we are way, way, way
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Speaker 2: at the bottom of that ninety eight percent. And I
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Speaker 2: don't want anyone to feel that because they are not.
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Speaker 2: They are enough with if they understand their aptitudes, turn
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Speaker 2: aptitudes into skills, find their purpose and passion, and then
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Speaker 2: prepare they are enough. They do not have to be
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Speaker 2: that airbrushed perfect person who really doesn't exist at all.
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Speaker 1: And what are some of the things that you recommend
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Speaker 1: to those who are just graduating school and starting on
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Speaker 1: their first job.
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Speaker 2: One of the first things I suggest they do is
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Speaker 2: sit back and build their network. They have people that
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Speaker 2: they've been going to class with for four years. They've
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Speaker 2: got professors, they've got people that gave them summer interns.
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Speaker 2: They've got high school counselors, they've got college counselors, they've
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Speaker 2: got parents, friends. Build your network. One of the most
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Speaker 2: important things you will have all throughout your career is
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Speaker 2: your network. So start building it right away. It's so
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Speaker 2: easy to do these days with technology. Build that network
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Speaker 2: and plan to double, triple, quadruple that network in the
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Speaker 2: next five years. That's the first thing, Victor. The second
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Speaker 2: thing is sit back and really remember who you are.
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Speaker 2: If you have not had your aptitudes tested, I suggest
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Speaker 2: you do because there's a difference in a skill and
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Speaker 2: an aptitude. I can have a skill, I can have
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Speaker 2: find motor skills as an aptitude, but I might take
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Speaker 2: those in many, many different directions. So I want first
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Speaker 2: to know what my aptitudes are. My aptitudes are. I'm analytical,
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Speaker 2: I love solving problems. I love that it's to play
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Speaker 2: the piano. I have some musical aptitudes. I need to
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Speaker 2: know my aptitudes before I begin to really fine tune
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Speaker 2: my skills. And so those are the two things that
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Speaker 2: I suggest they do. Build that network because you're going
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Speaker 2: to lean on it, you're going to want it. Also,
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Speaker 2: go back and remember who you are. You've been taking
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Speaker 2: classes for four, six, eight years, go back to your
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Speaker 2: roots and say what are my true aptitudes? And nowhere
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Speaker 2: where do I take the skills that they have spawned.
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Speaker 1: I can encourage your building the network concept because I
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Speaker 1: have so many contacts and network friends through what's called LinkedIn,
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Speaker 1: and if you're just joining the workforce, get on to LinkedIn.
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Speaker 1: It's a really great source. And also I have a
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Speaker 1: notebook filled with names, and I'm old schooled. I have
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Speaker 1: a notebook filled with names and addresses of folks that
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Speaker 1: I've encountered in my forty four year career. And some
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Speaker 1: of those folks still call me and wish me a
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Speaker 1: happy birthday, and I do the same for them. And
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Speaker 1: many of them are retired obviously. But the network concept
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Speaker 1: the information that you can share with others, and even
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Speaker 1: throughout my career, I would work with friendly competitors and
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Speaker 1: keep them in my network and offer them help when necessary.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely never throw a name or contact away. You never
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Speaker 2: know when you're going to need that person, you will.
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Speaker 2: I mean I think I turn over my contacts often,
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Speaker 2: turn turned through them often because then they spark you
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Speaker 2: to say, you know what, I haven't thought about her
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Speaker 2: in so long. I'm going to reconnect because I have
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Speaker 2: a friend who just called me looking for her skill set.
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Speaker 1: I mentioned notebook. I'm going to say a word that
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Speaker 1: you and I will recognize that many who are in
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Speaker 1: our in our group who recognize the rolodex, remember you
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Speaker 1: still have it right?
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Speaker 2: Yes, well, I will tell you a great Rolodex story.
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Speaker 2: And it had to be a humongous rolodex. So George
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Speaker 2: and Barbara Bush, George Senor and Barbara Bush made it
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Speaker 2: a practice and I love this practice. Every morning they
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Speaker 2: started their day going through their Rolodex Victor and making
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Speaker 2: sure that they contacted five, ten, fifteen people that they
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Speaker 2: didn't outreach that day, and their mission was to touch
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Speaker 2: every person in that rolodex before the end of the year.
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Speaker 2: Imagine how big their rolodex was. But that also emphasizes
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Speaker 2: the importance of that very precious network.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that you stress is self care.
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Speaker 1: What are the elements and considerations for balancing self care
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Speaker 1: with career.
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Speaker 2: It is a tough, tough balance, I will tell you that,
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Speaker 2: but I have worked diligently to keep mind balanced, and
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Speaker 2: I encourage the balance of anyone that I work with,
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Speaker 2: work for, or who works with me. I think of
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Speaker 2: self care as making sure that you have time every
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Speaker 2: day to process some element of quiet, be that through
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Speaker 2: your faith, be that through just simply and thinking about
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Speaker 2: the life that you've been lucky to lead. If you're
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Speaker 2: doing this in the evening, the day that you are
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Speaker 2: lucky enough to have, if you're doing it in the morning,
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Speaker 2: to think about the fact that you get another precious
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Speaker 2: day to be impactful. So that is a big part
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Speaker 2: of self care to me is to take some quiet
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Speaker 2: moments and moments of reflection. And for me, it's also
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Speaker 2: a moment that I take to be grateful, and for me,
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Speaker 2: it's to be grateful to a higher being, to God.
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Speaker 2: The other parts of self care. For me, I've got
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Speaker 2: to exercise every single day. Not only is it great
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Speaker 2: for my body, but I will tell you, Victor, I
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Speaker 2: can tell the difference mentally when I've done some hard
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Speaker 2: exercise in the morning and when i haven't. So for me,
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Speaker 2: it is as important as brushing my teeth, so I've
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Speaker 2: got to have that great exercise. By the way, I
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Speaker 2: also think sleep is an incredibly important part of self care.
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Speaker 2: I'm actually seeing a sleep psychologist right now because I
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Speaker 2: need to make sure that I get my eight eight
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Speaker 2: and a half hours of sleep. And in the last
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Speaker 2: few years, I've had some things that interrupted that I'm
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Speaker 2: not going to put up with that. I'm going to
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Speaker 2: reach out and find the person that can help me
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Speaker 2: get back on that track of eight to eight and
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Speaker 2: a half hours of sleep. I know that I need it.
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Speaker 2: I know my body and my mind don't work as well.
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Speaker 2: And then for me, self care is making sure that
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Speaker 2: I have one day a week that I can sort
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Speaker 2: of call my own and I can spend it with
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Speaker 2: the person who's most important to me in life, and
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Speaker 2: that's my husband, Jim Tie and we will spend the
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Speaker 2: day doing the things we love to do. For us,
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Speaker 2: it's going to church, it's riding through the beautiful Kentucky
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Speaker 2: rolling hills and watching horses run about the fields, and
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Speaker 2: cooking a great meal together. So those are the things
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Speaker 2: that I love and that's how I balance my self care.
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Speaker 2: Now I'll scoot over to the people that work with me.
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Speaker 2: I will tell them I expect them to unplug on
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Speaker 2: the weekends, and I will if I know that that's
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Speaker 2: going to be very difficult, because we both know we've
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Speaker 2: got something big going on the next week, I will say,
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Speaker 2: if I need you, I will text you, but I
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Speaker 2: will not text you before twelve o'clock on Saturday. And
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Speaker 2: if I don't get it into you for twelve o'clock
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Speaker 2: on Saturday, I'm not going to do it again until
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Speaker 2: before twelve o'clock. In other words, I put boundaries on
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Speaker 2: when I might ask them to look at their phone
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Speaker 2: and expect something from me. The other thing I do
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Speaker 2: victory is I ask them to please take their vacations
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Speaker 2: and to prepare well enough in advance of the vacation
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Speaker 2: that they can actually take the vacation unplugged. We'll have
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Speaker 2: emergency codes if I have to have them or they
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Speaker 2: have to have me, but I will I want them
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Speaker 2: to take their vacations. I want them to come into
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Speaker 2: work and have a best friend at work, have somebody
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Speaker 2: that when they see their face they have a big smile.
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Speaker 2: Tension that might have been there when they drove into
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Speaker 2: work can automatically release because I've got a friend at work,
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Speaker 2: so those are sort of my balanced places and my
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Speaker 2: balance potions.
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Speaker 1: I wish I had met you i started, because that
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Speaker 1: is so wonderful and so generous of you to treat
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Speaker 1: the people that are your support team the way you do.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for learned it. Learned it through having great
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Speaker 2: bosses and not so great bosses. Victor, and we've both
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Speaker 2: done that, done that dance around the hall right.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, And the one point that I will emphasize
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Speaker 1: that you had mentioned is gratitude. Every morning when I
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Speaker 1: wake up, I express my gratitude for my life, for
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Speaker 1: my family, for everything that I've been given, and for
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to do this work and be of service
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Speaker 1: to others. So, yes, gratitude is so important, beautiful. When
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Speaker 1: I was starting in business, they talked about climbing the
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Speaker 1: corporate ladder. You use the term ladder up. What does
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Speaker 1: that mean?
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Speaker 2: So laighter up is a couple of things. Number One,
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Speaker 2: I think we are all so full, our lives are
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Speaker 2: so full these days that I believe that everything you
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Speaker 2: do needs to serve dual purposes. So an example of
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Speaker 2: that is I love to be out in community. I
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Speaker 2: love to give back to my community and be a
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Speaker 2: part of my community. Learn that from my parents. I
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Speaker 2: also know that I have limited time, limited treasure, limited assets,
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Speaker 2: So for me, I try to combind combind that community
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Speaker 2: organization or community organizations with those that would also benefit
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Speaker 2: my business, and vice versa. I want my business to
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Speaker 2: be able to benefit a community organization. To me those
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Speaker 2: ladder up now. I also do believe in the wrongs
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Speaker 2: of a ladder being like the rungs of your career.
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Speaker 2: And I was taught early in my career to lift
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Speaker 2: while I climb, to let the rung on my ladder
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Speaker 2: be the wrong for somebody else. So you don't do
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Speaker 2: career alone. There's going to be somebody coming up behind you.
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Speaker 2: Make it easy and comfortable for them, and there is
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Speaker 2: going to be somebody that you're coming after, and make
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Speaker 2: sure that back to gratitude, you let them know how
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Speaker 2: much you appreciate them giving you this rung that you
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Speaker 2: can now put your hand on and then a foot
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Speaker 2: and you're continuing to climb. So I think of ladder
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Speaker 2: up as being those two things. I'm also I use
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Speaker 2: the term two for I mentioned that everything has to
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Speaker 2: serve a dual purpose. But you're really lucky when you
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Speaker 2: get a three for. So when you get when you
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Speaker 2: get one one entity that gives you all three components,
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Speaker 2: it's great for career, it's great for community. But then thirdly,
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Speaker 2: it is something that lights you up and gives you
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Speaker 2: great joy. Those aren't as rare as the two. Those
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Speaker 2: aren as often as the two first. But when you
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Speaker 2: get one a rare three for, I love to sit
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Speaker 2: back and really think about that and the beauty and
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Speaker 2: the bounty and the joy that that just gave me.
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Speaker 1: So you've graduated from college and you've gotten your position,
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Speaker 1: what are the keys that you offer for leaving a
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Speaker 1: lasting impression?
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Speaker 2: So the first thing is to make a great first impression.
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Speaker 2: You only get that once, right, So I believe deeply
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Speaker 2: my father gave me this advice Victor. You never someone
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Speaker 2: is always watching and you never know who that is.
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Speaker 2: And the other thing combining with that is the breaks
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Speaker 2: will come, and you never know when they're going to come.
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Speaker 2: Those component parts of the sort of the same advice
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Speaker 2: made me show up ready every single day, not going
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Speaker 2: to be at a meeting late or unprepared, not going
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Speaker 2: to show up to work rushed or not ready to
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Speaker 2: greet my leader with a look of giving that leader
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Speaker 2: the ability to be confident in me that they could
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Speaker 2: pass the time to me at any time, at any
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Speaker 2: point in the day, and I will take it and
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Speaker 2: I will run to the next place with it. So
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Speaker 2: being prepared is a big, big deal that will lead
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Speaker 2: you to be the topic of conversation in rooms you
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Speaker 2: never occupy. And that is what you want. You want
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Speaker 2: your leader to hear from another leader that they just
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Speaker 2: heard about Pattidale tie and what she did to help
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Speaker 2: so and so, who's not even on her team, but
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Speaker 2: she knew that she needed help, and she knew Paddidale
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Speaker 2: knew she could give her that help. You want your
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Speaker 2: name mentioned in rooms you will never occupy in a
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Speaker 2: good way, never in the bad way, not the principal's
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Speaker 2: office way. But I also heard that that stated as
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Speaker 2: she leaves, you can still hear her footprints in the
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Speaker 2: hall long after she has left the building. And so
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Speaker 2: preparation is the big deal. And being generous, I think
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Speaker 2: you know you and I come to things in gratitude,
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Speaker 2: but also coming to things with generosity and never thinking
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Speaker 2: solely for yourself, that's a big deal. And I think
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Speaker 2: that's a superpower in the workplace being generous. I don't.
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Speaker 2: I think it's an underutilized superpower.
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Speaker 1: In ordinary to extraordinary. You mentioned impostor syndrome. What is
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Speaker 1: it and why do women experience this more than men.
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Speaker 2: Imposter syndrome is the feeling that you're not worthy, that
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Speaker 2: you are somehow here in this space you're occupying by mistake,
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Speaker 2: and women tend to Women tend to self deprecate a
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Speaker 2: little bit more. Women tend to feel perhaps a little
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Speaker 2: bit more humble, but that humble can turn in inward
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Speaker 2: into a place that peels away our confidence. I believe
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Speaker 2: I just read this statistic that eighty two percent of
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Speaker 2: people in the workforce have felt imposter syndrome at some
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Speaker 2: point in time. Usually, Victor, it's in the first ninety
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Speaker 2: days of a new role, because we suddenly we have
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Speaker 2: to learn a new skill, and as adults, we don't
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Speaker 2: do that as easily as we did when we were children, right,
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Speaker 2: and because we've perfected the way we do things. But
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Speaker 2: suddenly you're in a new role. You cannot go on autopilot.
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Speaker 2: You have to work, work, work, work hard. Again. You
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Speaker 2: have to prepare in the evenings, you have to be
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Speaker 2: ready when you get to work and you have a slip.
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Speaker 2: You're going to have a slip your first ninety days,
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Speaker 2: and then suddenly you say, do I even deserve to
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Speaker 2: be here? Does this even match up with the skills
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Speaker 2: I have? Or can I not even get my chine
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Speaker 2: above this bar? That is imposter syndrome and you have
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Speaker 2: to sit back. What I do is to sit back
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Speaker 2: and go to the basics. Why was I hired for
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Speaker 2: this role? Remember what you brought to this role? Why
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Speaker 2: did this leader hire you? Those have not left the building,
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Speaker 2: those have not left your being. So muster up that
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Speaker 2: confidence again, and then remember this is a marathon, not
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Speaker 2: a sprint. You have to show progress at every mile marker,
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Speaker 2: but you don't have to do everything the very first
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Speaker 2: thirty days, the very first sixty days, the very first
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Victor. It is on Amazon dot
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Speaker 2: Passion is important because you are on this career journey
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27:25
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27:44
Speaker 2: will want to step off of it. I mean, we
27:47
Speaker 2: all get to that place that we want to step off.
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Speaker 2: I cannot wait till my career is over. I can't
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Speaker 2: wait till this and that and the other. But if
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28:04
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28:08
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Speaker 1: I had a wonderful spiritual teacher who used to say
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Speaker 1: there should be an eleventh commandment, thou shalt have purpose.
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Speaker 1: How do you define purpose? And can we have multiple purposes?
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Speaker 2: I think you can have multiple purposes, And for me purpose,
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Speaker 2: I define purpose by using impact. What difference is this
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Speaker 2: going to make in someone's life, in the planet, in
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Speaker 2: the future. And that is how I define purpose. It's
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Speaker 2: the impact. For me, the purpose of publishing this book
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Speaker 2: was to impact lives of people that I will never
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Speaker 2: so many of them get into without a lot of help,
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29:33
Speaker 2: what I want to do My purpose in this book
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Speaker 2: is to make their work lives feel energetic, impactful, purposeful,
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29:52
Speaker 2: in this example of purpose, it is impact. I think
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Speaker 2: impact is everything from I'm on the board of our
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Speaker 2: and alcohol addiction. So you can have a lot of
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And in addition to those career purposes, you also
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Speaker 2: In this world today, absolutely absolutely.
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Speaker 1: After passion and purpose, you shared the third P, which
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Speaker 1: ninety eight percenters, those who are just getting out of
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Speaker 1: types of preparation you want to suggest.
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Speaker 2: I love a couple of books, Victor that I would suggest.
31:20
Speaker 2: One of them is never check email in the morning.
31:25
Speaker 2: Author's last name is Morgan. And I bring this up because,
31:29
Speaker 2: especially these days, everybody is heads down on their iPhones
31:35
Speaker 2: or their mobile devices first thing in the morning, over
31:38
Speaker 2: the coffee, before they even brush their teeth. And what
31:42
Speaker 2: you can do when you do that is to be
31:46
Speaker 2: subjected to somebody else deciding how your day will go,
31:50
Speaker 2: versus preparing the day before. Here's how my day is
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Speaker 2: going to go. Here are the things I need to
31:57
Speaker 2: get done. Here, here's who I need to tell talk to,
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Speaker 2: Here's what I need to research, Here's what I need
32:03
Speaker 2: to accomplish by the end of the day. And oh,
32:05
Speaker 2: by the way, I'm not going to check email first
32:09
Speaker 2: thing in the morning before I have my coffee. I
32:12
Speaker 2: know how my day's going to go, and so when
32:14
Speaker 2: I finally check my email, I will be able to
32:17
Speaker 2: intersperse what came up in that email with the plans
32:21
Speaker 2: I already had for the day. Otherwise I'm on my
32:23
Speaker 2: back heel, I'm running to catch up. So that sounds
32:27
Speaker 2: counter intuitive these days to never check email in the morning,
32:31
Speaker 2: but for me, it has been a great help.
32:35
Speaker 9: Victor.
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Speaker 2: The other book that I love to recommend to folks
32:38
Speaker 2: that are just about to start their career or a
32:41
Speaker 2: new job is one called The First ninety Days. It's
32:44
Speaker 2: a great book by Michael D. Watkins. I use it
32:47
Speaker 2: all the time when I'm starting a project or a
32:50
Speaker 2: new role, etc. Because what he does is help you
32:54
Speaker 2: very specifically walk through what you should try to accomplish
32:59
Speaker 2: in your ninety days. He does it in a way
33:02
Speaker 2: that all your work ladders up to your leader's work,
33:06
Speaker 2: and that's the best work you will ever do. It also,
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Speaker 2: victor aligns what you plan out for those first ninety
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33:21
Speaker 2: work life. That is a wonderful way to make sure
33:24
Speaker 2: that what you do ladders up as a dual purpose,
33:28
Speaker 2: not just to help you, but it also helps your
33:31
Speaker 2: leader and his or her accomplishment of goals and metrics.
33:37
Speaker 2: So those are the first that come to my mind.
33:40
Speaker 1: In the first segment you talked about re entry, what
33:43
Speaker 1: are some of the strategies you offer for those who
33:46
Speaker 1: may have stepped away from their career to prepare for
33:50
Speaker 1: re entry.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, because it's a scary thing to go back in.
33:55
Speaker 2: We all in every year we thank goodness of how
34:00
Speaker 2: much more technology do I have to learn? It's just
34:03
Speaker 2: something coming out every single day, and what you knew
34:06
Speaker 2: last year is now obsolete. That's scary enough for those
34:10
Speaker 2: that are getting into the workplace every day. Imagine if
34:13
Speaker 2: you've been out for a defined period a year, two years,
34:16
Speaker 2: even maternity leave or paternity leave. So my first suggestion
34:22
Speaker 2: is to sit with your skills, sit with your aptitudes,
34:29
Speaker 2: go back and remember who you are and sit back
34:33
Speaker 2: and remember that and then journal, write, type, whatever way
34:38
Speaker 2: you want to do it, but I want to I
34:40
Speaker 2: want you to see it in print or on paper.
34:44
Speaker 2: I want you to see what were your accomplishments the
34:48
Speaker 2: last two years you were in the workforce. What were
34:51
Speaker 2: those areas that you were responsible for, and how did
34:55
Speaker 2: you accomplish your work? And then I want you to
34:59
Speaker 2: think about the next page, think about the people you
35:02
Speaker 2: interacted with those last couple of years and what would
35:06
Speaker 2: they remember you for. And I'm asking you to do
35:10
Speaker 2: all this, Victor, because I want you to go back
35:12
Speaker 2: and rebuild yourself. I want you to remember how great
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Speaker 2: you are, how great you were the last day you
35:18
Speaker 2: stepped out of that office, and you haven't lost that greatness.
35:23
Speaker 2: You just need to remember it. So go back and
35:27
Speaker 2: first know thyself. And then you really ought to start
35:33
Speaker 2: reading reading. Reading. Every day. I spend my first hour
35:39
Speaker 2: catching up on the news, and I over index in
35:44
Speaker 2: business news that might be newsletters from Mackenzie, from Deloitte,
35:50
Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, the Washington Posts.
35:54
Speaker 2: Really get back in the groove of reading what is
35:58
Speaker 2: happening right now and wherever you whatever field you are
36:02
Speaker 2: choosing to step back into, over emphasize in that field,
36:07
Speaker 2: wherever you feel least confident in terms of your I've
36:12
Speaker 2: lost too much knowledge over index there. So in other words,
36:16
Speaker 2: if you feel like technology has left you behind, then
36:21
Speaker 2: really find those newsletters, those articles, those newspapers that can
36:27
Speaker 2: allow you to come up to speed very very quickly.
36:30
Speaker 2: And it's beautiful these days because there's so much information
36:34
Speaker 2: in our fingertips. We can learn so much every day.
36:38
Speaker 2: So I have a discipline of taking an hour a
36:41
Speaker 2: day and reading reading news, but I over index on business.
36:45
Speaker 2: I'll just be honest business and help Those are my passions.
36:49
Speaker 1: What are third stage opportunities and how may these be engaged.
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Speaker 2: Third stage I will tell you my third stage opportunity.
36:57
Speaker 2: So I stepped out of my traditional career six years
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37:09
Speaker 2: have become an expert and you have so much knowledge
37:14
Speaker 2: that people will pay you to help them through whatever
37:20
Speaker 2: talents and skills you can bring that they need. Mine
37:24
Speaker 2: happens to be at a law firm, and they are fabulous lawyers.
37:28
Speaker 2: They are so skilled, so smart, so addempt. But what
37:33
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37:36
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37:47
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37:49
Speaker 2: some of my aptitudes. I love to come and help
37:54
Speaker 2: find solutions for people, for businesses, for firms. I love
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Speaker 2: analytics and business, so this combines those two things. And
38:02
Speaker 2: I love to be able to go in and say
38:04
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38:08
Speaker 2: love to be able to go into an office go
38:10
Speaker 2: figure we can do that on teams calls. Also, that's
38:13
Speaker 2: what I've done with my third career, my third stage.
38:17
Speaker 2: But others that I know have made a mission of
38:22
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38:26
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38:31
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38:45
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38:48
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38:52
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38:58
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39:04
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39:07
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39:14
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39:21
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39:25
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39:29
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39:34
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Speaker 1: I have an example of that, a third stage opportunity.
39:52
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39:54
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39:58
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40:01
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40:05
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40:15
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40:19
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40:26
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40:33
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40:38
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40:41
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40:46
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41:07
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41:10
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41:14
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41:18
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41:21
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41:24
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41:27
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41:34
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41:42
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41:45
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41:48
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41:51
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41:54
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41:56
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Speaker 1: Achieving remarkable career success through passion, purpose and preparation. We
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Speaker 1: is retirement something that is less appealing than it was
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Speaker 2: and sitting there for eight hours, then driving home. But
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's retiring from using your brain, giving back,
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Speaker 2: being accountable, and being curious and learning constantly.
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Speaker 1: We had touched upon this earlier. I was always generous
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Speaker 1: with my time in helping others with information or ideas,
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Speaker 1: even those who are friendly competitors, which by the way,
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Speaker 1: led to an employment opportunity. How may contributing to others'
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Speaker 1: success lead to both personal and professional rewards?
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Speaker 2: I think that is such a beautiful question, and I
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Speaker 2: love that you framed it that even when there are
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Speaker 2: those that are your competitors. It goes back to that network.
46:52
Speaker 2: You never know when that competitor is also going to
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Speaker 2: be somebody that you need or that needs you. My
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Speaker 2: mother always said, don't talk ugly about anybody, because the
47:03
Speaker 2: world is far too little. But giving back in the
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Speaker 2: workplace is an extraordinary, an extraordinary career advancement move. And
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Speaker 2: that may sound self serving, but there are a few
47:21
Speaker 2: of us that start our day in the workplace saying,
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Speaker 2: how can I help somebody else? How can I find
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Speaker 2: somebody in need? And I think when you do that,
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Speaker 2: not sacrificing your own work to be done, but in
47:34
Speaker 2: always keeping your antenna aware of someone in need, I
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Speaker 2: think that is a beautiful gift, and I think it's
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Speaker 2: a superpower. I think that's the one that you will
47:46
Speaker 2: be talked about in meetings that you're never present in.
47:51
Speaker 2: It's particularly important to be generous to your leader. Being
47:55
Speaker 2: a leader is tough, I think Victor, these days, being
47:58
Speaker 2: a leader is tougher than it ever has been. People
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Speaker 2: you may not be able to lay eyes on that person,
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Speaker 2: with the exception of on a zoom or a team's call.
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Speaker 2: You don't necessarily just walk down the hall, go into
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Speaker 2: their office and say I think you're having a tough day,
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Speaker 2: let's talk about it. I think being a leader is very,
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Speaker 2: very difficult these days, So being generous to the person
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Speaker 2: that leads you is an incredibly nice career advancement tool. Offer, Hey,
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Speaker 2: you're having a tough day. What can I take off
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Speaker 2: your plate? Or I know you've got this evening event
48:36
Speaker 2: that you're supposed to go to to represent the company.
48:39
Speaker 2: Do you want me to go in your stead and
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Speaker 2: let you get out of here a little bit early
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Speaker 2: and go home. Also to your team members, if a
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Speaker 2: team member is having a tough day, lean in, give
48:49
Speaker 2: them a break. Hey, do you want me to run
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Speaker 2: out and get a sandwich for you? You look like your
48:54
Speaker 2: head's down? Or can I fix that PowerPoint for you?
48:58
Speaker 2: Can I do the repair slides that need to be done?
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Speaker 2: Be generous, give back, and it will trade up your
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Speaker 2: career over trade. How allow you to trade up your
49:10
Speaker 2: career over and over and over again. I deeply believe
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Speaker 2: in it, and.
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Speaker 1: One that I always did and continue to do to
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Speaker 1: this day in every situation is listen to those who
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Speaker 1: need to be heard without opining or inserting my words.
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Speaker 1: Listening and really hearing what they have to say, and
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Speaker 1: that five minutes of listening is worth gold.
49:31
Speaker 2: Oh it is. It is beautiful. My father, who taught
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Speaker 2: me so many lessons, told me this beautiful one. You
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Speaker 2: are not the smartest person at the table. Even though
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Speaker 2: you're the leader. You have a group of people and
49:48
Speaker 2: you're a part of it. Work teams, they are they're
49:56
Speaker 2: a living organism and all of them play a big role.
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Speaker 2: You are not the smartest person at the table. And
50:04
Speaker 2: he also told me when you take a new role,
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Speaker 2: don't sit at the head of the table in the
50:09
Speaker 2: beginning because you're you. You need to you need to
50:13
Speaker 2: pay respect to those that were there before you. They
50:17
Speaker 2: know what's going on. And oh, by the way, Victor,
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Speaker 2: you and I both have in our careers been brought
50:22
Speaker 2: in to repair damage. So this is a team that
50:26
Speaker 2: might not have done everything right, but you'll learn a
50:29
Speaker 2: whole lot more about what went wrong if you will
50:32
Speaker 2: be quiet and as you said, listen and absorb, and
50:38
Speaker 2: then you can be the listened to. But in the beginning,
50:44
Speaker 2: listen more than you talk, and respect those that were
50:47
Speaker 2: there before you, even if they are those that you
50:50
Speaker 2: know got the situation, got the company, the team, the
50:55
Speaker 2: division in the shape it's in. You'll learn a lot
50:57
Speaker 2: more if you listen.
50:59
Speaker 1: We often have to adapt to changes in the business environment,
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Speaker 1: including leadership, policies, possible relocations, and more. What are the
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Speaker 1: keys to this?
51:11
Speaker 2: I use the phrase get comfortable being uncomfortable, and that
51:16
Speaker 2: may sound so odd, but it is true. The only
51:22
Speaker 2: constant is change. You are going to have leaders that
51:25
Speaker 2: leave you. You're going to leave leaders. You're going to have
51:28
Speaker 2: to move cities. I had to move cities eight nine times.
51:33
Speaker 2: You're going to have to change divisions. You're going to
51:35
Speaker 2: have new leaders that come in and change everything you
51:39
Speaker 2: just built. Change is constant. So get comfortable being uncomfortable.
51:46
Speaker 2: The uncomfortable. The discomfort doesn't last forever, but don't back
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Speaker 2: away from it because it is a fact of career life.
51:56
Speaker 2: Actually it's a fact of life, but it's definitely a
51:59
Speaker 2: fact of career your life. And so you want to
52:03
Speaker 2: work as diligently as you can to come up to
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Speaker 2: speed in whatever was making you uncomfortable, probably in a
52:10
Speaker 2: big fat gap of knowledge or who moved my cheese,
52:14
Speaker 2: and get over that discomfort as quickly as you can,
52:18
Speaker 2: but understand that the discomfort is coming back one day.
52:22
Speaker 2: Because life changes rapidly and constantly in the work world.
52:29
Speaker 1: Please share with us the importance of work life balance.
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Speaker 2: I cannot emphasize enough how important, how much better you'll
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Speaker 2: be at work if you are balanced with a beautiful
52:44
Speaker 2: personal life. You have got to have balance, or you
52:49
Speaker 2: will be You will ultimately either turn into one of
52:55
Speaker 2: those awful, grumpy people that then people avoid and you'll
52:58
Speaker 2: never get another call and you'll never get another hike
53:01
Speaker 2: on up the ladder, or you will just become so
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Speaker 2: uncomfortable and weary that you will stop progressing in your career.
53:12
Speaker 2: You cannot give it all to your career. You absolutely can't.
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Speaker 2: You're never gonna make it if you do that. You
53:17
Speaker 2: have to have balance. You have to step away, you
53:20
Speaker 2: have to unplug. You have to do self care. You
53:23
Speaker 2: have to be very very diligent about self care. And
53:27
Speaker 2: I'm going to use a term that others may not
53:30
Speaker 2: agree with that I compartmentalize, Victor. I have to. I
53:35
Speaker 2: have to be able to have this pure space that
53:38
Speaker 2: is not work oriented, that I can soak into and
53:44
Speaker 2: just let the work be a on another plane for
53:48
Speaker 2: a while. So I will compartmentalize. There's a theory about
53:54
Speaker 2: corporate athletes and traditional athletes never put their foot on
54:01
Speaker 2: the gas and hold it there as long as career
54:05
Speaker 2: corporate workers do. We walk in at seven forty five
54:10
Speaker 2: or turn on our computer at seven forty five, and
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Speaker 2: we don't let up until six o'clock that night. A
54:17
Speaker 2: true athlete would never do that. They know to stop
54:23
Speaker 2: and take a break and take a breath and replenish
54:26
Speaker 2: and rehydrate, and then go back in it. And now
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Speaker 2: they're going to have extra strength, and they're going to
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Speaker 2: do better than they ever would have done had they
54:35
Speaker 2: not taken the break. We fail miserably in that in
54:39
Speaker 2: the work world. That's a form of balance. Step away
54:43
Speaker 2: from the work for even ten minutes, and then you
54:47
Speaker 2: come back. You're fresh, your head is clear, you're ready
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Speaker 2: to go again.
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Speaker 1: What would you like readers to take away from ordinary
54:55
Speaker 1: to extraordinary?
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Speaker 2: That everybody can have an extraordinary career. I deeply believe
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Speaker 2: that you can do this. No matter what phase of
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Speaker 2: life you are in, you can have an extraordinary career.
55:12
Speaker 2: I'm there to help you. I'm there to encourage you.
55:15
Speaker 2: I'm there to give you career hacks and to give
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Speaker 2: you positive forward motion.
55:23
Speaker 1: The wisdom and experience of my guest Patti Dale Tie
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Speaker 1: her book Ordinary to Extraordinary, achieving remarkable career success through passion,
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Speaker 1: purpose and preparation. Patty, one more time, please share with
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Speaker 1: our listeners where they can get your book and find
55:39
Speaker 1: out more about you and your wonderful work.
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Speaker 2: Please enjoy my website pattidaletie dot com. Amazon has my book,
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Speaker 2: Ordinary to Extraordinary Patti dale Tie.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Victor, Patti, thank you so much for joining
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Speaker 1: us and sharing this wisdom which is so valuable in
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Speaker 1: our world today. And thank you for joining us on
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus. I'm Victor the Voice Sperman. Have a wonderful
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