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How to Put on Makeup for a 50-year-old · Chatting with The Experts with Paula Okonneh

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  Hello, everyone, and welcome to another Chatting With the Experts
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  show where I speak with amazing women.
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  Did I say amazing?
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  They're fabulous.
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  Fabulous women from Africa, from the Caribbean, and in the diaspora.
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  These women share with me my mission, which is to educate, to encourage, and
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  to empower women all over the world.
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  And today's topic is one I know that a lot of us women, I don't wanna say you
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  women, a lot of us will certainly enjoy.
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  It's all about Makeup for Matured Skin.
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  My guest who will join me very soon says, "Forget about outdated anti-aging
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  rules." And she said, "Be ready to learn fresh, empowering approaches
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  to makeup where we can celebrate and enhance your natural beauty."
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  She's gonna teach us specialized techniques on how to hydrate, how to
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  lift, and how to illuminate our skin.
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  She's a makeup artist.
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  She's been a licensed esthetician for over six years, and she's certified
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  in chemical peels, oncology skin care, yes, oncology skin care, and acne care.
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  So to join me to do that is none other than Jenifer Hester.
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  Welcome to the show,
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  Hi, Paula.
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  Thank you so much.
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  It's great to be here.
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  I really appreciate you having me.
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  We need you, because you're talking about a topic that so many of us are thinking
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  about, makeup for the matured skin.
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  Right, right.
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  We definitely need that.
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  Uh, sorry, I'm doing something with my computer.
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  But we definitely need that because we are all maturing, you know?
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  I hate to say aging, age is just a number, but maturity with
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  the skin happens with that age.
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  So yeah, this is very important.
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  We don't wanna walk around looking like dry mummies, you know?
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  We wanna still be the glowing divas that we are at every age.
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  The glowing divas.
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  Yes.
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  So off-camera, we talked about skin prep, and you said skin prep, I can't even
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  say the word because I'm so excited.
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  Skin prep is the key before even makeup.
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  Tell me about that.
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  Absolutely.
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  So as an aesthe- … Excuse me, I can't even say the word.
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  As an esthetician, um, foundation, when I refer to foundation, I'm
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  speaking of what your skin is doing before you even put the makeup on.
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  So that whole prep comes with that, right?
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  So taking care of your skin.
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  You always, always, always wanna keep your skin hydrated and healthy.
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  So if you're seeing an esthetician, that's A-plus on the list.
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  That's first.
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  Um, second is you, like I said, you always just wanna make sure you're
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  working with clean, hydrated skin.
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  So you talk about clean, hydrated skin, as in drinking lots of water.
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  I'm hearing a lot more these days about the importance of water.
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  Yeah, so the importance of water, but not only water.
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  So as a holistic nutritionist also, I think that it's more important or just
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  as important to eat your water as well.
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  Hmm.
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  So eating vegetables that are green leafy, also eating cucumbers, and
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  just your water-based veggies, so your squashes, your melons.
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  That comes in the fruit family, so you definitely wanna
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  add lots of fruit as well.
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  You cannot go wrong with those types of hydration, methods in terms of eating.
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  The watermelon, the cantaloupes, all of the melons, the berries.
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  but be careful with the berries, because some of them are on the Dirty Dozen list.
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  So you just wanna make sure that you cleanse your berries properly
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  before you're gonna eat, and always make sure you buy them organic.
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  But that's an excellent way to hydrate the skin as well.
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  And, if you eat fish, getting your omega fatty acids.
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  You can also get that from your walnuts, your avocado, and things like that.
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  So that's just as important as drinking water because that
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  hydrates you from the inside out.
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  Jen, you're a second-time guest on the show, I'm not gonna hide
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  that, and you never cease to amaze me how knowledgeable you are.
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  And I guess that's because we are approaching … I mean, you're talking
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  from a different angle this time.
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  Last time you spoke as an esthetician.
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  But what I forgot to include in your bio is that you are
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  a holistic, um, nutritionist.
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  Yes.
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  So now when we spoke just now about skin prep being the key, and you talked about
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  hydration, and I said, "Just water." You said, "No, you can eat your water.
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  Eat your hydration." I was like-
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  Mm-hmm
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  "'Eat your hydration?'" And now you bring that out.
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  Yeah.
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  But you pointed out something about getting, hydration or is it omega health
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  from walnuts, from fish, and you said all of that we need to put into consideration-
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  Yes
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  … as part of our skin prep or skin care.
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  Absolutely, yes.
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  Yes, absolutely.
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  It's very important because it's not only gonna hydrate your skin, but it's
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  also gonna provide vitamins and minerals that your body needs to function.
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  Especially as we age, we begin to lose collagen and other important things that
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  keep our skin glowing and plump, you know?
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  And those things can help add that back in.
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  As we age, we lose about 20%, of collagen every year.
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  Maybe a little less, but somewhere along those lines, every year as we age.
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  And so it's very important that we're eating the right things to make
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  sure we're taking care of not only our outside, but also our inside.
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  They go hand-in-hand, you know?
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  Many times we think just of the outside, what people see, but-
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  Mm-hmm
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  … it's important to-
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  Yeah
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  … take care of the inside, too.
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  Absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  It will help to keep hypertension away.
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  It will help to lower your chances of developing diabetes or pre-diabetes.
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  Now we see a lot of things about dementia.
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  Eating the proper foods can help prevent dementia, early set-on Alzheimer's,
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  and, just different illnesses like that.
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  So it's very, very important to not only hydrate with water, but to
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  also eat so that you are hydrating and preventing illnesses as well.
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  Okay.
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  All right.
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  So that's part of, as you say, the skin prep, healthy skin prep.
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  Yes.
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  So let's go on to now talking about the best type of makeup for
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  the matured, the seasoned skin.
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  Oh, I prefer matured skin at the moment.
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  Yes, mature.
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  The seasoned sounds like-
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  Absolutely.
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  Yeah.
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  Seasoned sounds almost we are talking about food, so seasoned-
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  I know.
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  … I was like, "Eh, food?"
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  Even though some of us are spicy.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  So with foundations, like in our youthful days, even though
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  we're still in our youthful days-
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  Mm-hmm.
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  We're just mature, in those days, the types of foundations that we were
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  drawn to were more like the heavy foundations that would give us full
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  coverage or even medium coverage.
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  Well, now I think it's… not I think.
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  It is better, definitely, to skip the matte foundations and the heavy
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  foundations and go with more sheer foundations, so like the skin tints,
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  the BB creams that have tint in it.
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  That way you can build on the amount of coverage that you want and prevent your
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  skin from looking cakey, yeah, from just plain looking cakey, because when you
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  have a matte foundation on already dry skin, definitely that is the combination
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  or perfect ingredient for cake, you know?
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  And so we definitely wanna avoid that cakey look by selecting
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  more of the tinted foundations or facial serums and BB creams.
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  Yeah, even CC creams have the tint in it as well.
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  What do you mean by BB and CC creams?
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  Yeah, so BB creams and CC creams are basically like a
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  all-in-one type cream, right?
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  So they'll contain like vitamin C, whatever other kind of … It depends
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  on who's making it, but it'll contain like certain vitamins, maybe certain
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  acids in it as well, that will work to not only hydrate the skin or moisturize
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  the skin, but also prevent like further
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  Oh, oh gosh, wait.
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  Let me start that over.
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  Okay.
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  So not only to hydrate and moisturize the skin, but also to repair the skin as well.
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  Oh.
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  And those will also contain like I said, tint in it.
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  Some of them may not contain tints for like really dark skin.
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  Most of them do contain tints for medium to light or maybe dark to light, but
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  you just have to check which brand you're using to see that they have, you
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  know, an available amount of colors.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  All right.
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  So sorry I interrupted you-
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  Oh, it's okay … um,
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  when you talk about foundations.
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  All right.
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  What about shadows and, you know
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  … Yeah.
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  So shadows, that it depends, right?
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  So if you have a lot of creasing in the eyes, if you have hooded eyes where,
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  this part of the eye kinda comes down you know, like I can't really do it 'cause
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  obviously I don't have hooded, but it's where this part is closer to your lid.
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  Yeah.
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  But let me,
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  Oh.
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  So for hooded lids, that's where this part up here right under your brow bone-
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  Mm-hmm
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  … kind of hangs low-
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  Okay … uh,
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  right over your actual-
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  Eyelids?
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  lid, lid.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So that it forms like a little- shelf of skin, if you will.
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  You don't really have this, this in between.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I don't know if I'm explaining that well enough.
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  You are.
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  But if you have those types of eyes, it's better to avoid the frosty looking
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  shadows and go with more soft mattes, closer to your skin tone, because
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  we don't wanna enhance, especially if you have crepey eyes, we don't
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  wanna enhance the crepiness, right?
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  We kinda wanna just make it look pretty, just kinda balance it out.
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  So definitely avoid the shimmery and frosty types of eye shadows.
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  Okay, that's good.
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  That's a good tip.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  What about, okay, I know, like, I knew people that had, I don't
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  know how to describe their eyes.
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  It's like they have a bone, like their eyelids are- accentuated.
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  So it's not like they have what you just described, but more like
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  their, their eyelids, they have very pronounced, what do you call these?
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  Um, hmm.
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  The-
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  Like the brow bone?
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  … the bone over the eyelids.
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  Yeah.
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  Yes.
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  Oh, that's interesting.
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  Um, hmm.
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  I guess, so the eyelids really popped.
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  Yeah.
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  So meaning maybe that their eyes are more sunken?
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  Yes.
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  That's-
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  Okay.
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  So when the eyes are more sunken, you definitely want to… Hmm.
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  It's really about the shading and highlighting effect, right?
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  So when I say highlighting, I'm not always referring to shimmer or frost.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  But you wanna limit the amount of light shadow in this area.
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  Uh, no, um, actually it's the other way around.
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  So you kinda wanna make it a little lighter in here, and then
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  make it a little darker up here.
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  That's kind of a demonstration type of, um-
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  Okay.
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  Okay
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  … um, I think that would require a demonstration to really understand,
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  because it just has to do with shading the right area with the darker so
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  that they don't look so sunken.
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  You do not ever want to follow the brow bone with a dark color, because
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  that will make your eyes more sunken.
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  That's one thing I can say, is that you definitely wanna avoid using a dark shadow
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  right in that crease where the brow bone is, 'cause that'll just, yeah, you'll
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  be definitely looking like sunken eyes.
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  All right.
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  That's good to know.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Another thing is setting sprays, because, these days a lot of people,
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  you know, after they put on their makeup they do the setting sprays.
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  Yeah.
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  How, when we start aging, how does that play a part?
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  Right.
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  So, you know, I know a lot of us feel like if their skin is glistening
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  that it looks oily or, you know, I don't want my face looking shiny.
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  But I will say as we mature, we lose, you know, we have more dull-looking
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  skin, because of the dryness, and the loss of collagen and things like that.
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  So it's kind of helpful if- you use a dewy setting spray.
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  Let that dry, and then maybe go over it with like a,
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  … There's this one that everyone uses.
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  Oh, what is it called?
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  I forget the name of it.
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  But I always go in with a dewy one because that looks youthful.
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  You know?
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  That looks glowy.
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  We don't … you know, as we mature, we just wanna keep our
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  glow, like I said, you know?
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  And so that's my opinion, is to use a … if you like a matte, then perhaps
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  just don't go too heavy with the matte.
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  Yeah, just don't go too heavy with the matte setting spray.
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  ' Cause that'll make you look powdery, you know?
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  And that's another thing.
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  You want to avoid using too much powder.
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  We do not wanna bake at a certain point in our lives with the matured skin.
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  We do not wanna bake, especially if you have crepey skin under the eyes.
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  You see these videos, all the girls are baking under here with
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  the lighter, um… Oh, my gosh.
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  Concealer.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I'm so sorry.
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  That's fine.
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  I'm not too much into makeup, so I can't even help you.
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  I'm sorry.
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  Oh, okay, okay.
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  That's fine, that's fine.
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  Well, a lot of us think that we have to brighten our eyes underneath and
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  that'll kinda hide this and that, but actually too much brightening
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  under the eyes will enhance it.
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  It will bring it out.
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  Yeah.
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  Especially if you have crepey, if you have bags under there.
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  You always wanna use… and this is the only time where I would suggest
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  using fingers to apply makeup.
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  Make sure your fingers are clean.
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  Clean, clean, clean.
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  But, and your skin is always clean and moisturized.
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  You do wanna use a primer prior to applying any kind of tint to your skin.
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  You can use a dewy primer.
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  You can use a matte primer, if you choose.
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  Some of us do have oily skin in the mature phase due to hormonal
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  changes and stuff like that.
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  So if you choose to use a mattifying primer, that's fine as well.
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  But if you're using a mattifying primer, I would suggest using a dewy setting spray.
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  But either way, when you put on concealer under your eyes, you're
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  always gonna go with your ring fingers.
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  You're gonna put the concealer on your hand first, dab it lightly from your hand,
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  and then dab it not where your crepes are.
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  So you're not going to go where the crepes are, but you're gonna kinda go
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  underneath that, and you're gonna gently tap it in only in this little area here.
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  Mm.
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  Because we don't wanna
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  We don't need to do the whole entire eye, otherwise you're gonna have just this
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  bright, you know, stain- not stain, but a bright thing under your eye, you know?
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  So visible, right?
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  Exactly.
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  Exactly.
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  We wanna blend it as much as possible with our finger, just tapping it in nice
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  and lightly until you cannot see it.
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  Now, if you have darkness under there, that's a whole different story.
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  We don't wanna just go in with straight concealer, you know, because that's
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  going to make it look ashy, if you will.
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  So you've gotta go in with maybe, an orange color or a peach color,
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  depending on your brown tone.
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  I would go in with a light orange if I had darkness under my eyes, and I
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  would go right where the dark area is.
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  Again, with my finger, I put it on my, put the color on my hand first, and
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  then I will dab it off with my finger.
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  Not to have too much, and then I will dab it where the darkness is only until
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  it's almost invisible, then I go in with the concealer, same exact way.
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  And then after that, to set that, I will use a, um…
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  What is that powder called?
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  Oh my gosh.
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  It's not a baking powder.
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  Um-
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  Translucent?
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  I don't- Translucent, thank you.
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  Ooh, I actually knew something.
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  I'm sorry.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah, yeah, you did.
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  And, sorry about this.
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  Like, I don't know what's happening with me, but I'm in menopause, and
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  ever since, things that I say every day don't come out as easily, so forgive
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  the, uh, pauses and forgetfulness here.
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  But yeah.
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  You'll take the translucent powder, again, on your hand.
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  With a brush, you wanna, you know, dab it off, or you can
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  use a, like a triangular sponge.
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  But either way, you're gonna dab it off onto your hand, and
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  then you're going to, you know, press it into the area, you know?
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  Very lightly.
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  But yeah, that's what you would do.
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  Did I get off topic here?
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  No, you didn't,
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  because you just- Okay, 'cause that can happen
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  … well, you just gave us a lot of the information-
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  Right, detail,
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  yeah … you know, in details, yeah.
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  Which we needed.
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  Well, at least I needed.
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  Yeah.
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  You could tell that I'm not much of a makeup person.
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  I'm more a lipstick.
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  I like lipstick.
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  Can you tell?
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And I have a lot of, I noticed, bags under my eyes.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I've just come to the conclusion that babies have bags under
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  their eyes too, so I'm a baby.
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  Yeah, there you go.
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  Yeah, bags are one of the hardest things to treat under the eye.
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  You can do, like, cold compresses.
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  You can use eye creams that are meant for de-puffing, under the eye.
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  Keep that little eye cream in your refrigerator so you're
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  always … using it when it's cold.
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  You can take a,
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  you know a, it, you know those ice globes, that you-
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  Mm-hmm
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  … see all the time?
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  You can take those and, you know, go under your eye before you're gonna put
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  on your makeup or before you put on your moisturizer, or actually when you
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  put on your moisturizer for the day.
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  Yeah, that'll be-
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  And does it last?
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  Will it last for the whole day?
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  Will it keep the bags or the puffiness away for the day,
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  or is that just a temporary-
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  Probably not
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  … fix for an hour?
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  Yes, it's a temporary fix.
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  Like I said, the bags under the eye is definitely a hard thing to
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  treat with creams and such because, those bags happen from pressure.
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  They also happen from lack of sleep.
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  They can happen from weight loss.
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  Mm-hmm
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  … and that's, like, a fatty deposit.
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  Mm.
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  Once you get those fatty dep- sometimes it's hereditary.
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  I have a girlfriend, she's had bags under her eyes since
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  she was, like, 10 years old.
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  You know, it's maybe a little older than that, I'm exaggerating.
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  But that's, it's hereditary.
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  Her mom has it, her aunt has it, you know, her cousin has it.
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  It's just one of those things, you know?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  You can see a dermatologist and talk about it to see what options
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  you have, but they do have creams.
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  Some people use, can use, in the modeling industry, they used to use
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  Desitin, the little diaper rash ointment.
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  I know that.
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  They would use that.
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  Yeah.
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  They would use that under the eyes, but again, that is a temporary fix.
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  So it goes away.
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  And then I think putting things near the eye, anything could happen.
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  I know.
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  It could get mashed in.
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  You know, the eye, especially right under it, that is the
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  most sensitive area on the face.
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  The skin is thinner in that area, and we have to be so gentle.
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  That's why we use our ring fingers, because this has the most gentle pressure.
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  This has, I believe it's the first finger that has the heaviest touch.
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  And then this one, like I said, is the lightest touch.
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  Even lighter than the pinky.
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  I can, I can believe that.
• 23:19
  Yes, definitely.
• 23:20
  Yeah.
• 23:20
  Ooh, looking at the time, I knew this was gonna happen.
• 23:23
  But yeah, there's something else that you mentioned, that less is more.
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  What do you mean?
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  As we age, we need to put on less makeup?
• 23:30
  Yes.
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  Less is more.
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  We do not need to cake it on, especially because we're
• 23:38
  developing wrinkles, you know.
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  And when we cake it on, it gets stuck in there and-
• 23:44
  Mm
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  … It just looks very cakey.
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  Mm.
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  So the less you have on, the better.
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  We just don't wanna go heavy.
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  We wanna look as light and fresh as possible.
• 23:56
  Yeah, that's what I could say about that.
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  Okay.
• 23:59
  And last but not least, you mentioned, to me that you're gonna tell us
• 24:04
  how to lift, and I keep doing
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  this.
• 24:08
  Yes.
• 24:08
  Yes.
• 24:08
  You know, my mom used to say, "Do this so you don't get a double chin."
• 24:12
  Exactly.
• 24:13
  Yes.
• 24:13
  So with makeup, I'll say with makeup, because some lifting
• 24:18
  is, not necessar- like some, you know, makeup techniques can't
• 24:24
  … If you have a double chin, you know, obviously putting makeup on is not
• 24:29
  gonna make that double chin disappear.
• 24:31
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:32
  But what we can do is hide it, shade it, you know?
• 24:37
  Whenever we're putting on eyes, we wanna make sure we're
• 24:40
  doing it in a lifting fashion-
• 24:43
  Mm-hmm
• 24:43
  … especially, so, in this area here, we always wanna use either a bronzer,
• 24:51
  usually it's a bronzer, and we wanna apply it in a lifting fashion.
• 24:56
  When we put concealer on, we put it right here, also in a lifting fashion.
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  Because as we mature, this, gravity pulls everything down.
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  Oh, oh.
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  So how we can do it with makeup is to just gently brush it
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  on to lift it in that area.
• 25:16
  With your concealer, oh, lift it right there.
• 25:19
  Even with your blush, you're lifting right here.
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  You're not going all the way over like in, you know, in the '80s,
• 25:27
  they had you smile, and you put it on from here all the way over.
• 25:32
  Now we're starting, like, mid, mid-cheek, if you will.
• 25:38
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:39
  And we're gonna apply it in a lifting fashion.
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  Use a little bronzer right here, and you're also lifting.
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  You can even use some highlight and, in this area, and
• 25:52
  you're gonna lift it as well.
• 25:55
  For making this area appear lifted, what you would do is put
• 26:00
  a little, What is the, oh gosh.
• 26:03
  I can't think of the word.
• 26:06
  Um.
• 26:07
  Concealer?
• 26:07
  Oh, some shading.
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  Okay.
• 26:09
  Some shading.
• 26:10
  That's not the right word for it.
• 26:12
  Um- Yeah … but that's basically what it is.
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  You're gonna put it right under your chin, and you're gonna go right along
• 26:21
  the chin area, maybe even up to the ear.
• 26:26
  And when you brush it out, you're actually gonna brush it in a down fashion.
• 26:31
  And it's gonna be a dark color.
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  It's gonna be a dark color so that it actually forms or gives the
• 26:38
  appearance of a nice chiseled look.
• 26:42
  You also do it under your chin area here, and of course on this side as well.
• 26:49
  Now, if you have a double chin, there are a couple of things you can do with that.
• 26:54
  Suck in your neck like this.
• 26:56
  I know it looks so, so crazy.
• 26:59
  Um, but then you would put the shading … Is it, it's … Oh, gosh.
• 27:08
  I wish I could think of this technical name for this.
• 27:11
  Let's see.
• 27:12
  And when you talk about, while you're looking for that, I want you
• 27:14
  to talk about sucking your neck.
• 27:16
  That's temporary in order to put that shade in.
• 27:19
  Yes, exactly.
• 27:19
  Because you can't walk around like this.
• 27:21
  Exactly, yeah.
• 27:23
  Yeah.
• 27:24
  So you just suck in your neck like that, and you see how I have
• 27:27
  the … I don't know if you can-
• 27:29
  Yes
• 27:29
  … see the extra- I think
• 27:30
  we
• 27:30
  can
• 27:31
  … meet there.
• 27:31
  Yeah.
• 27:32
  So you're just gonna shade in that area with the darker color as well.
• 27:37
  Mm-hmm.
• 27:37
  And then when you take your neck out, you just brush it down a
• 27:41
  bit, and then you look like you have a whole chin area, you know?
• 27:47
  So
• 27:47
  it's an optical illusion, in other words.
• 27:49
  Optical illusion, yes.
• 27:51
  Yes, absolutely.
• 27:52
  Mm-hmm.
• 27:54
  Ooh.
• 27:54
  Yeah.
• 27:54
  Oh, and I forgot to say, when you conceal, like, if you have dark marks in other
• 27:59
  places, you're gonna use your finger and just spot conceal in those areas, and
• 28:05
  you wanna blend it in with your finger.
• 28:07
  Yeah.
• 28:08
  Spot conceal.
• 28:10
  Okay.
• 28:11
  Well, we've learnt a lot.
• 28:13
  We have learnt a lot.
• 28:15
  Can you believe 30 minutes are up already?
• 28:17
  Wow.
• 28:18
  Can't believe it.
• 28:19
  And I could go on.
• 28:21
  I know.
• 28:21
  You said this is one of your favorites.
• 28:23
  Yeah.
• 28:23
  And that you've got so many, so many things that you could talk to us about.
• 28:27
  Yeah.
• 28:28
  Just so full of-
• 28:29
  I teach a class over here, as a matter of fact, for this.
• 28:32
  Yeah.
• 28:33
  Oh.
• 28:34
  Right, yeah.
• 28:35
  Yeah.
• 28:35
  Okay.
• 28:36
  Okay.
• 28:37
  So those who don't attend your class but would love to know more about
• 28:41
  you, how can they find out about you?
• 28:43
  Absolutely.
• 28:44
  They can go to my website at www.glowtheorynj.com.
• 28:52
  That's glowtheorynj.com.
• 28:56
  I'm on Instagram and Facebook and TikTok also under GlowTheoryNJ.
• 29:04
  I'm also on LinkedIn.
• 29:07
  Gosh, if I could remember my LinkedIn-
• 29:09
  Don't worry, I'll drop it in the chat- Yeah … and put it in the show notes.
• 29:12
  Thank you.
• 29:13
  Thank you.
• 29:14
  Yes.
• 29:14
  Yes.
• 29:14
  All right.
• 29:15
  Thank you
• 29:15
  so much, Jenifer.
• 29:16
  And there
• 29:17
  we go, folks, another amazing guest on Chatting With The Experts sharing with
• 29:21
  us- their expertise and I hesitated there because Jen is a woman of many talents.
• 29:28
  So that's why I hesitate to say there because for her,
• 29:31
  it's one of her many talents.
• 29:33
  And, if you'd like to be a guest on this, my show, Chatting with the
• 29:37
  Experts, just like Jen has been, this is her second time, please
• 29:40
  reach out to me on my website, which is chattingwiththeexperts.com.
• 29:45
  And, I'm also on LinkedIn, Facebook, and Instagram.
• 29:49
  My business page on LinkedIn is Chatting with the Experts, on
• 29:53
  Facebook it's also Chatting with the Experts, and on Instagram , my
• 29:57
  handle there is @chat_experts_podcast.
• 30:02
  We also have a YouTube channel that we would love for you to subscribe to,
• 30:06
  and there you would see all the past episodes of the amazing women that
• 30:12
  have been sharing their expertise, whether it's on skincare or on oncology.
• 30:21
  The topics are just amazing.
• 30:22
  This time around Jen shared with us how to, hmm, how to
• 30:29
  do makeup for matured skin.
• 30:32
  So thank you so much, Jen.
• 30:34
  And now we will open up the floor to those who joined us so
• 30:37
  they can ask you more questions.
• 30:39
  Thank you, thank you, thank you again.
• 30:41
  Thank you.