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The Kenny Report | 22 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight, an election truce called as
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  Speaker 3: Catholics the world over mourned the passing of Pope Francis.
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  Speaker 4: But the gloves will be on again in just a
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  Speaker 4: couple of hours.
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  Speaker 3: As the leaders face off for their third campaign debate.
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  Speaker 3: I'll show you the depths to which the ABC has
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  Speaker 3: sunk when it comes to so called religious programming. They've
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  Speaker 3: come up with an anti Trump, pro queer climate alarmist religion,
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  Speaker 3: also the debate over labor preferencing the Greens, and lots
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  Speaker 3: to come with Tim Blair, Susio O'Brien and Steven Senta Tiempo.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 4: We need to start tonight where we ended last night's program.
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  Speaker 3: That is what was then the breaking news of Pope
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  Speaker 3: France's dying at the Vatican. I'll discuss the political reactions
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  Speaker 3: here and what it means for the federal election campaign
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  Speaker 3: in a moment, and I'll show you the juvenile approach
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  Speaker 3: of the taxpayer funded ABC when it comes to religion.
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  Speaker 3: But with the passing of the Pope the morning by
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  Speaker 3: more than a billion Catholics around the world, the focus
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  Speaker 3: on a looming funeral and then a conclave to select
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  Speaker 3: a new pope. It's pretty timely to discuss the role
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  Speaker 3: of the Catholic Church in our society and the world.
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  Speaker 3: Pope Francis himself was clearly conscious of the troubled times
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  Speaker 3: the Church has experienced in recent decades, with horrible breaches
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  Speaker 3: of trust by priests exposed in various parts of the world,
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  Speaker 3: including here in Australia. His papacy was devoted to returning
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  Speaker 3: the focus to the people, to the poor, to the infirm,
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  Speaker 3: the disadvantage, the dispossessed, and the disenchanted that the church
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  Speaker 3: and its followers seek to support. He was a liberal
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  Speaker 3: or a progressive rather than a conservative, and that helped
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  Speaker 3: in a healing process with the liberal critics.
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  Speaker 4: I guess now.
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  Speaker 3: I don't claim to be an expert in theology, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm more lapsed Catholic than practicing, but I know enough
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  Speaker 3: to recognize that if you believe in sin, then none.
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  Speaker 4: Of us are without it.
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  Speaker 3: We are all flawed, and the Catholic faith at its
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  Speaker 3: heart gives the faithful guiding light to be their best selves,
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  Speaker 3: to aspire to goodness for themselves and especially for others.
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  Speaker 3: So this is a force for good. And while the
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  Speaker 3: critics of the Catholic Church will attack it for not
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  Speaker 3: allowing women priests, or they'll seek to smear the entire
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  Speaker 3: church because of the sins of some terrible clergy, the
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  Speaker 3: Church continues in its work. No one should ever downplay
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  Speaker 3: the errors and the problems, and Australia's own Cardinal George Pearl,
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  Speaker 3: paid a heavy price for standing at the front and
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  Speaker 3: attempting to tackle these crimes and provide assistance for victims.
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  Speaker 3: But it is timely also to look at the benefits,
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  Speaker 3: of course, of the Catholic Church, what it delivers for everyone,
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  Speaker 3: not just its adherents. In the macro, the Church has
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  Speaker 3: an enormous role in global affairs. It was Stalin who
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  Speaker 3: reportedly mocked the pope how many divisions does he command?
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  Speaker 3: But we saw decades later under Pope John Paul that
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  Speaker 3: a pope can be a central figure.
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  Speaker 4: He helped to.
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  Speaker 3: Bring about the demise of communism in the Soviet Union,
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  Speaker 3: bringing down the Iron Curtain and spreading freedom. I was
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  Speaker 3: lucky enough to join an audience with John Paul, a
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  Speaker 3: giant of world history. Pope Francis was less active in
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  Speaker 3: strategic issues, but nonetheless pushed hard for peace in Ukraine. Indeed,
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  Speaker 3: the only Australian cardinal now is a forty year old
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  Speaker 3: Melbourne Bishop Mikola Bischok, who was born in Ukraine and
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  Speaker 3: is on a pilgrimage overseas and will now continue on
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  Speaker 3: to be a voting member in the Conclave at the Vatican.
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  Speaker 3: In a statement, Cardinal Bikschok said, Pope Francis was a
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  Speaker 3: pope of peace in a world devastated by war.
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  Speaker 4: He called for peace and justice.
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  Speaker 3: I am grateful for the Late Holy Father's frequent appeals
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  Speaker 3: for a just peace in Ukraine and for the efforts
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  Speaker 3: of the Holy See that he oversaw known and secret
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  Speaker 3: that in some way helped bring relief to the imprisoned
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  Speaker 3: and the suffering elsewhere. It may well be the Catholics
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  Speaker 3: bravely keeping their faith alive in China that could one
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  Speaker 3: day help to.
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  Speaker 4: Win more civil rights in that communist country.
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  Speaker 3: In the micro, the work the Catholic Church does around
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  Speaker 3: the world, especially educating and caring for the disadvantaged, is immeasurable.
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  Speaker 3: My education started with the Josephites and continued with Jesuits
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  Speaker 3: and Christian brothers don't blame any of them. And these
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  Speaker 3: orders educate millions of people around the world every year.
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  Speaker 3: The Sisters of Saint Joseph, founded by Mother Mary Mackillip,
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  Speaker 3: Australia's first Saint, were educating poor children in rural and
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  Speaker 3: remote Australia many decades before there was such a thing
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  Speaker 3: as a state or federal government to offer such services.
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  Speaker 3: A wide range of Catholic charities, like Saint Vincent de Paul,
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  Speaker 3: do enormous volumes of work helping a wide range of
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  Speaker 3: people all around the world. Every day, of course, at
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  Speaker 3: every local parish from Argentina to andermucha gives solace, meaning
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  Speaker 3: belonging and the hope of salvation to the people we
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  Speaker 3: all live and work with every day. So we're going
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  Speaker 3: to hear a lot about the Catholic Church and the
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  Speaker 3: Vatican and the Conclave and the papacy in coming days
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  Speaker 3: and weeks, But I just want to say that among
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  Speaker 3: the history and the ceremony, among the criticism and debate,
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  Speaker 3: remember all of the good things the Church does. Keep
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  Speaker 3: in mind just how influential it's been and how overwhelmingly
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  Speaker 3: beneficial the Catholic Church has been for our world. And
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  Speaker 3: no doubt will be for centuries to come when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to our federal election campaign. I was saying last
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  Speaker 3: night that the level of voter engagement is low, that
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  Speaker 3: the campaign has struggled to capture attention, and that with
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  Speaker 3: the overlap of the Easter weekend and the ANZAC Day
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  Speaker 3: Long weekend, it was going to be difficult for the
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  Speaker 3: campaign to really do that this week either. Well, that's
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  Speaker 3: doubly the case now. Of course, with the passing of
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  Speaker 3: the Pope dominating so much of the news cycle, normal
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  Speaker 3: campaigning was put on hold today as the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 3: and the Opposition leader paid tribute to the Pope and
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  Speaker 3: paid their respects with Australian Catholics at cathedrals in Melbourne
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  Speaker 3: and Sydney respectively.
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  Speaker 5: Pope Francis stayed true to his origins as pontiff. He
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  Speaker 5: never rose above small acts of kindness and compassion. What
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  Speaker 5: we saw in him was an abiding spirit of humility.
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  Speaker 5: I will pause my other campaign related events this morning.
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  Speaker 5: Today flags will fly at half masted on conwalth buildings
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  Speaker 5: right around Australia as a market respect to the Holy Father.
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  Speaker 6: This is a moment of boarding, but it's also a
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  Speaker 6: moment of celebration of a life that was one of sacrifice,
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  Speaker 6: of mercy and of forbearance, one who drove change within
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  Speaker 6: the church, but one who never forgot his roots and
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  Speaker 6: his origins, and somebody who's always dedicated to helping those
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  Speaker 6: much less fortunate than himself.
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  Speaker 3: There's no doubt that if this development benefits anyone, it's
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  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister. It allows him to be above politics
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  Speaker 3: for the day. The first thing he did when pausing
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  Speaker 3: the campaign was call a media conference. For instance, Labor
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  Speaker 3: wants the election campaign to be low key. It's Peter
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  Speaker 3: Dutton and the coalition who need to enliven debate. Needs
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  Speaker 3: to generate a mood for change and capture people's attention,
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  Speaker 3: and that's proving to be a struggle. Even as early
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  Speaker 3: voting began around the country today, millions of voters, possibly
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  Speaker 3: as many as half of all voters will now cast
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  Speaker 3: their votes before the actual election day on May the third,
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  Speaker 3: and plenty of MPs and candidates are now at the
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  Speaker 3: pre pole booths pushing their case. One of them is
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  Speaker 3: the TILMP for Quong, Monique Ryan, whose campaign has been
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  Speaker 3: deviled by controversy with her husband stealing a liberal poster
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  Speaker 3: and Ryan herself struggling to work out whether paid posts
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  Speaker 3: with online influences should be publicly declared. It's all become
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  Speaker 3: so difficult that, despite claiming she wants more political integrity
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  Speaker 3: and transparency, Ryan no longer wants to talk just.
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  Speaker 7: Us Monique, how she's going?
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  Speaker 8: Monique?
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  Speaker 6: Hi?
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  Speaker 8: Hi? How are you going this morning?
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  Speaker 7: We're just live on sky.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, we don't want to interrupt, but we just wanted to.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, we are.
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  Speaker 9: Or in the interest of bit of transparency, we just
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  Speaker 9: thought maybe we just want to know how your campaign's going.
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  Speaker 11: This morning's going well, Thanks Laura, I am here to
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  Speaker 11: engage your photo through a prepoles.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: So, I'm not sure that it's really ideal for you
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  Speaker 11: to be interrupting to process.
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  Speaker 8: Have you had any other.
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  Speaker 9: Have you had any other thoughts about whether it's okay
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  Speaker 9: to pay influences?
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  Speaker 3: Thanks you.
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  Speaker 11: She's already to climb the interview.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I know, but we are in public.
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  Speaker 8: This is in the interest of transparency when new new
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  Speaker 8: thoughts ready to climb the interview, but you just go
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  Speaker 8: back to you.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So we tried, Laura tried. Indeed, there you go.
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  Speaker 3: The Member for Young chooses silence, a silence that speaks
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  Speaker 3: volumes and their underlings draped in tail think they can
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  Speaker 3: boss people around about where they should stand, the bossy
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  Speaker 3: teals when they weren't all wearing masks. Surely it's hard
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  Speaker 3: to an advocate for yours, advocate for your seed, or
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  Speaker 3: your electorate or your voters, if you refuse to talk
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  Speaker 3: to them through the media. I guess you'll probably turn
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  Speaker 3: up and talk on the ABC anyway. The campaign continues,
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  Speaker 3: and there is another chance for Peter Dutton to seize
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  Speaker 3: the agenda tonight with the third campaign debate.
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  Speaker 4: This time it's on Channel nine.
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  Speaker 8: Now.
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  Speaker 3: I'll join Paul Murray live at nine o'clock tonight, so
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  Speaker 3: you can see all the highlights then and you.
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  Speaker 4: Can get our verdicts.
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  Speaker 3: Given the events of the past twenty four hours, I
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  Speaker 3: want to talk again about the ABC and how it's
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  Speaker 3: misusing your tax dollars in the most puerile and ideological
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  Speaker 3: ways under the banner of what was once called religious programming.
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  Speaker 3: Let me start, in all fairness by giving the ABC
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  Speaker 3: some credit. Their coverage last night of the death of
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  Speaker 3: Pope Francis was pretty good. They comprehended the gravity of
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  Speaker 3: the story and they flipped around some comprehensive coverage pretty quickly. Traditionally,
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  Speaker 3: the ABC has taken religious programming seriously. It used to
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  Speaker 3: run Divine Service every Sunday morning, broadcasting church services, but
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  Speaker 3: over the years it's been criticized for downgrading its religious
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  Speaker 3: programming on television and radio. These days, it has a
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  Speaker 3: Sunday night television program called Compass, and it now focuses
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  Speaker 3: on religions, spirituality.
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  Speaker 4: And ethics.
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  Speaker 3: Again, to be fair, last year, Compass ran an intelligent
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  Speaker 3: program on Pope Francis, examining his impact on the Catholic Church. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: that's the good news over with. Now look at what
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  Speaker 3: the ABC Compass program broadcast on Sunday night.
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  Speaker 2: Artist Debora Kelly started Creation in twenty twenty when the
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  Speaker 2: grief following the Black Summer bushfires left her pondering exactly
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  Speaker 2: the same questions. Her response was a collaborative artwork, a
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  Speaker 2: crowdsource belief system, and a brand new religion.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That presenter is Benjamin Law by the way, an ABC
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  Speaker 3: contributor who once tweeted about hate efing anti gay marriage
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  Speaker 3: MPs to get rid of their homophobia. And yes, he
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  Speaker 3: introduced a story about what they claim is a new religion.
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  Speaker 12: I really wanted to make something that was robust and
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  Speaker 12: bigger than me. But I only started thinking I might
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  Speaker 12: as well start a religion when Trump stood for election,
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  Speaker 12: because I thought, if you can get elected as a
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  Speaker 12: president of the United States, then I can found my
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  Speaker 12: own religion.
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  Speaker 3: You and I might say it already sounds like the
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  Speaker 3: religion of Trump deranged me syndrome, but this is so
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  Speaker 3: much more. It's also the climate change religion and the
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  Speaker 3: anti Catholic religion.
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  Speaker 12: As a child, I was a phonetically religious person, and
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  Speaker 12: I grew up in the Catholic Church. Of course, you
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  Speaker 12: can never shake off that teaching. So it's slight my
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  Speaker 12: life's work to free myself from the ditchings of the
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  Speaker 12: Catholic Church.
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  Speaker 3: Now I remind you this was broadcast on Sunday night,
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  Speaker 3: that is Easter Sunday Night. So this is what the
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  Speaker 3: ABC does with your tax dollars for its religious programming
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  Speaker 3: on the holiest feast day of the dominant Christian religion.
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  Speaker 12: I really wanted creation to be full of purposeful hysteria
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  Speaker 12: and pleasure and poetry and sexiness. It has big feeling,
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  Speaker 12: it's alluring, it's glamorous, it's magic, witch.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, your tax dollars at work on witchcraft and on
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  Speaker 3: a religion about science fiction, and lord knows what else.
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  Speaker 12: It is a covertly indigenous theology which is profoundly anarchistic, collectivist,
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  Speaker 12: queer feminist, worshipful of Earth and its entwine systems.
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  Speaker 3: And yes, the ABC seems to take all this seriously.
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  Speaker 3: And you just know, this being the ABC, that there's
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  Speaker 3: bound to be some more politics in there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, some climate politics.
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  Speaker 12: It seems to me the stakes are so high and
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  Speaker 12: we are hurtling towards a mass extinction. Starting a religion
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  Speaker 12: is more like the least I could do in the
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  Speaker 12: face of that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we might be dealing with Greens or
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  Speaker 3: Teals voters here. By the way, there was a reference
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  Speaker 3: to applying for government grants in this story. So apart
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  Speaker 3: from your tax dollars being abused by the ABC in
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  Speaker 3: producing this story, it sounds like your tax dollars might
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  Speaker 3: have even gone to this Trump derangement climate alarmist witchcraft. Still,
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  Speaker 3: the ABC seems pretty eager to promote it, to.
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  Speaker 12: My absolute astonishment, mainly when I tell people that I
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  Speaker 12: am founding a queer insurrectionary science fiction climate change religion.
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  Speaker 12: They go, oh wow, how do I join?
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  Speaker 3: Look if this was satire, I would say it's brilliant,
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  Speaker 3: But they're serious. This is like the ABC's perfect religion,
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  Speaker 3: all the core beliefs of the green left activists distilled
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  Speaker 3: into one nutty, made up religion. All they need really
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  Speaker 3: is a special ceremony where the converts glue themselves to
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  Speaker 3: a busy road at dawn.
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  Speaker 4: But no doubt many.
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  Speaker 3: People will be offended by this coverage on religious grounds, understandably,
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  Speaker 3: I think, because it makes a mockery of organized religion.
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  Speaker 3: Others will be angered by the paid political positioning fair enough,
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  Speaker 3: and still more will be outraged by the puerile nonsense
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  Speaker 3: being indulged on on our tax dollars. But what I
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  Speaker 3: want to know is how the new ABC chair Kim
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  Speaker 3: Williams can possibly have his hand out for more taxpayers dollars,
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  Speaker 3: and how the new ABC boss Hugh Marx can possibly
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  Speaker 3: argue that he's now in charge when this billion dollars
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  Speaker 3: and more a year. Bayer Moth can spend your money
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  Speaker 3: producing brainless tosh like this and then put it to
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  Speaker 3: the air on Easter Sunday. It's almost as if the
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  Speaker 3: ABC is on a death wishes, as if the ABC
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  Speaker 3: is out to prove just how juvenile, unintelligent and irrelevant
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  Speaker 3: it can be, daring politicians to clip its wings. They
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  Speaker 3: ought to be careful because someone might take up the
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  Speaker 3: challenge one day. Joining me now, onset is Peter Curdy
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  Speaker 3: from the Center for Independent Studies. Good to talk to you, Peter.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to waste too much time on this question.
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  Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about Pope Francis, but
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  Speaker 3: this story on Compass last on Sunday Night. What's your
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  Speaker 3: take of the ABC and producing this as religious stroke
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  Speaker 3: ethics broadcasting.
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  Speaker 10: Well, I think it's a shame that the ABC, as
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  Speaker 10: you pointed out, missed the opportunity to mark Easter Sunday,
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  Speaker 10: which will be important to many many Australians and many
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  Speaker 10: Australian Christians, and it's a significant time of the year.
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  Speaker 10: We have a public holiday around it, so it's a
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  Speaker 10: shame that that opportunity has missed. But as you know,
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  Speaker 10: I'm a great defendive of religious freedom, and I think
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  Speaker 10: that this seems harmless. They're not talking about harming anybody
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  Speaker 10: who disagrees or dissents at this stage at any rate.
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  Speaker 10: And I think that, you know, good luck to them.
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  Speaker 10: What there is want to make religion. You see, there
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  Speaker 10: is good news in this because it's going to confound
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  Speaker 10: the atheists because every time the census rolls around, the
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  Speaker 10: atheists work really hard to drum up the no religion
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  Speaker 10: vote to try to boost the numbers of people who
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  Speaker 10: are not religious and have no interesting religion. And then
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  Speaker 10: along comes DEBRAA. Kelly and creation, turning the tables on
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  Speaker 10: the atheists. But there are some good news.
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  Speaker 3: It's almost like that Star Wars religion that people subscribe to,
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  Speaker 3: isn't it or Star Trek or whatever, because she's talking
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  Speaker 3: about witchcraft and climate change and queer and just throwing
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  Speaker 3: in a grab bag of political issues and saying it's
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  Speaker 3: a religion for that.
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  Speaker 10: Well, there is no clearly there are no normative scriptures
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  Speaker 10: to guide their doctrinal development. They'll have a reformation, they'll
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  Speaker 10: be there'll be a Martin Luther kind of figure who
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  Speaker 10: comes along and says at some point that he feels
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  Speaker 10: excluded and unable to be or he or she feels
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  Speaker 10: unable to be part of it. So that will go
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  Speaker 10: the way of many religious traditions.
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  Speaker 3: Who will good on, good luck to them just they
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  Speaker 3: do it on their own dime, not on our tax dollars.
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  Speaker 4: Now, let's get to Pope Francis. You're not a.
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  Speaker 3: Catholic, but you're very much a student of religious affairs globally.
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  Speaker 3: Describe his impact on the world and on the Catholic Church.
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  Speaker 10: I think he's had a tremendous impact because his embrace
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  Speaker 10: of humility of causes of justice, whether it's the environment
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  Speaker 10: or the plight of refugees, I think has taken the imagination,
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  Speaker 10: sees the imagination of millions around the world. And I
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  Speaker 10: think his papacy was marked by compassion and that very
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  Speaker 10: humility that he embodied. I think he's left the Catholic
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  Speaker 10: Church from my take, and you're right, I'm an Anglican.
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  Speaker 10: I think he's left the Catholic Church at a significant
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  Speaker 10: juncture because there will be those who want to develop
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  Speaker 10: that progressive line and see it as being more in
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  Speaker 10: inclusive and less doctrinaire and less tied to the traditional
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  Speaker 10: tenets of the Catholic Church. And there will be others
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  Speaker 10: within the Catholic Church who want to recover a degree
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  Speaker 10: of conservative orthodoxy. They'll feel that Pope Francis's papacy was
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  Speaker 10: marked by compassion, but not by a doctrinal rigor. So
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  Speaker 10: I think that the Catholic Church is at an important
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  Speaker 10: juncture and that we will know a lot about how
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  Speaker 10: they see the future of the church when the cardinals
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  Speaker 10: do elect their new posts.
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  Speaker 3: So you're saying this conclave is going to be very
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  Speaker 3: consequential in terms of that battle between the liberal left
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: in the church, if you like, and the more conservative factions.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Do you have any sense of which direction it might go?
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Keeping in mind that Pope France has added a lot
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: of younger cardinals from a broader range of countries right
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: around the world and many many developing countries.
• 20:51
  Speaker 10: Well, that's right. My sense is that this will they
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: will want to continue the Francis line of development, because
• 20:59
  Speaker 10: there are I don't believe that France has appointed any
• 21:03
  Speaker 10: conservative cardinals. None of the metropolitans in this country have
• 21:08
  Speaker 10: been appointed. Fisher, for example, one might have expected to
• 21:11
  Speaker 10: follow in the footsteps of Cardinal pell was not made
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: a cardinal. So there aren't the more orthodox conservative cardinals
• 21:19
  Speaker 10: in the curier. But we'll have to see that as
• 21:21
  Speaker 10: the conclave meets. We know that predicting the next Pope
• 21:26
  Speaker 10: is actually always very very difficult, and the people who
• 21:29
  Speaker 10: do become the men who do become more of from
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: the outsiders.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: This is a big question.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I need a short answer though, to what extent does
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: these sorts of I suppose theological debates and discussions and
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: outcomes in the Catholic Church affect the other Christian churches.
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: Well, I think they can encourage those who are more
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: progressive if I think France's embracing of the environment, for example,
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: gave a great deal of succor to those in other
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: Christian churches who feel very passionate about that. Others who
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: are more who are more conservative doctrinally, might want for
• 22:08
  Speaker 10: some clearer teaching and a grounding in Catholic orthodoxy, and
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: will feel that maybe the Catholic Church is drifting away,
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: and there may be a reaction in those churches to
• 22:18
  Speaker 10: try to recover a degree of orthodoxy in their own traditions.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Peter, thanks for joining us and happy viewing on the AVC.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Thanks please are curity there from the Center for Independent Studies.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I want to get back to domestic politics now and
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: joining us now as the Liberal member for.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Flinders Zoey Mackenzie. Zoe you hold up at home in
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: the campaign with COVID. That's a cruel blow. That's a
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: cruel blow, but it worked for Albo last time.
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: Well, at least it's this week, Chris, not next week.
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: So next week and hopefully for Anzac Day impact, I'll
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: be out and about an Ac Day's one of the
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: most important days in my electorate, starting at four point
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: thirty in the morning, and it's a beautiful, beautiful day.
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: So I hope I'll start testing again to orow morning.
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: I hope they have a couple of negatives before I
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: go out on Friday.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Being as we keep talking about the lack of engagement
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: from voters in this campaign, have you noticed that and
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: therefore do you think yet again? The debate tonight is
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: a chance for Peter Dutton to try and energize the
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: debate the campaign.
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: I'm thrilled that there have been three debates. I think
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: it's really important. So obviously we've had the first one
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: on Sky, the second one on the ABC, and tonight
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: on freeware on Channel nine. So it's a really important
• 23:24
  Speaker 9: time for people now that they're more focused on the
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: election and the fact that it's just a couple of
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: days away now to look at both of them and
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: make a decision about who they think is the right
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: leader given the various conflicts and challenges that we face,
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: whether it's economically, geo, geopolitically or strategically, Australia has many
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: challenges ahead. Australia faces a debt avalanche, and tonight the
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: Australian people get to look at the leaders and make
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: your decision as to who's the right man to lead
• 23:55
  Speaker 9: us through the next three years.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: The latest News poll analysis shows the real downturn four
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: or the coalition has come from women.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: You've lost You've lost the female votes.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: It's drifted away from the Coalition over the past month.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: What do you put that down to? Is it the
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: work from home stuff?
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: Up?
• 24:14
  Speaker 9: Look, I'm not sure. Interestingly, down here on the Peninsula,
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: so many of my small businesses are actually run by women,
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: So those small business policies are really really well received.
• 24:23
  Speaker 9: In particular, you know, I often look at what the
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: engagement is on my Facebook page in relation to things
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: like the XIS and the ute taxes. I'm getting as
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: much interested and positive response from women as I am
• 24:35
  Speaker 9: from men. So to my mind, at least here on
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: the Peninsula, I don't see that turn away by women.
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: So I'm interested to see whether those results actually bear
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: themselves out at the election.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Right, two quick kings, I want to get a reaction
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: to you from you.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: On one is I mentioned last night.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: That the Trumpet of Patriots candidate in your seat, his
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: name is Jason Smart. He's reacted against the party against
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Palmer because they're preferencing a Teal independent rather than you
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: the coalition. He's saying that people, he's throwing his support
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: behind one nation. Now, who will preference you? What do
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: you think about his effort? You'd be pleased about that,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: wouldn't you. But it probably speaks to the broader preferencing
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: arrangements of the Trumpet of Patriots across the country.
• 25:20
  Speaker 9: Yes, I was quite surprised when I woke up to
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: his press release. It's worth reading a It's one of
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: those press releases that are definitely worth reading in Australian politics,
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: may I say. And he was very clear about what
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: he wanted to see. He wanted to see a change
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: for his country. He wanted to see the end of
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: the Albanese government and he can't blame him and so
• 25:43
  Speaker 9: he was saying he was going to move away from
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: the Palmer how to Vote card and indeed to collaborate
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: I think with the One Nation candidate down here in Flinders.
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: So we'll see where that lands. Obviously Mad scrabbled for
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: people to rewrite their how to vote cards, but we'll
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: see where it lands in coming days and on election
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: date itself.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all good on him, honestly, I mean, if you know,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't you know the idea of voting for trumpet
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: of patriots is sort of beyond me. But surely if
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: you want to do that, you would still want to
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: coalition government. You wouldn't want to preference a Labour Green's government,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: but each.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: To their own.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: But he's decided that that recommendation was wrong and he's
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: urging One Nation and a coalition government. The other point
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: I wanted to get you on was down the road
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: in Kuyong, closer to town Monique Ryan not wanting.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: To talk to Laura Jays. And this is extraordinary, isn't it?
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Two weeks out from an election.
• 26:34
  Speaker 9: Look, please don't make me watch that again. I'm already
• 26:36
  Speaker 9: seek at I need to question of an interview. But frankly, look,
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: I think the average Astralians had a guartful of the
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: TiAl campaign. Interestingly, this morning all of our PrePost prepole
• 26:49
  Speaker 9: booths were decked like it was election day. Illegal signs
• 26:52
  Speaker 9: down the roads, in council properties, trucks parked illegally on
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: the verge of danger to passes by and cars. They
• 27:01
  Speaker 9: behave as though the rules don't apply to them. I
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: don't know what it is that if they tell themselves
• 27:06
  Speaker 9: their community independence that they think the rules don't apply
• 27:09
  Speaker 9: to them. But it drives everybody else mad. And we all,
• 27:13
  Speaker 9: you know, we all about burther rules they should too,
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: and transparency and integrity. It's not just a it's not
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: skin deep. You need to mean it and believe it.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, Zoe and get well.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Thank you Zoey mackenzie there the Liberal MP for Flinders.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: And yeah, look, I'd get rid of all this pre
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: pole rubbish. I'd make people wait till election day. If
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: you're going to be away or have to travel, then
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: you've got postal votes. But this prepole thing's out getting
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: out of hand. I reckon, we'll see y'all talk about
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: that later.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: No doubt. Got to get to a break on the
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: other side of catch up with Tim Blair.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: I want to get his take on whether this is
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: the dullest election campaign ever. Let's cross the Western Victoria
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: home of the Stall Gift and catch up with Tim
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Blair from the Daily Telegraph.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: Good see you, Tim, You have a good easther of
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: week end.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Absolutely dodged most of the treats, had a few, but
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: yeah it was won off one with the family.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Did you manage to dodge any discussion of the election.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: I was mixing with a range of people at various
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: footy matches and family gatherings over the Easter weekend, and
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: you know, unusually for me, hardly anyone raised politics.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: One of the great things about where I live now, Chris,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: is that it's always been in National Party hands. So
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: there's very little debate. It's just how much are you
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: going to vote national this time? How hard are you
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: going to So there's not a lot of fragmentation to
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the vote. Every so often, when a member retires or whatever,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: they let a Lib run just for a joke and
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: they lose by twenty points and we go back to
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: being national, solidly national. All that again.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I did bump into Alexantik at Adelaide Oval on Saturday afternoon,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: but I think I know which way he's going to vote.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: What's your take on the campaign?
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's I think there's a lot
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: to be discussed after this election about just how much
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: social media has changed the acture. We've been through eras
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: where sort of the fax machine changed politics, and then
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: the twenty four hour news that we're part of changed politics,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: and now I think social media has really changed campaigning
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: a lot, and we're seeing much less broader engagement and
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: big discussion of the issues. What's your take on how
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: this is different from previous campaigns.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I agree, I do detect a kind of
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: a numbness in the electric But one of the things
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: about compulsory voting, one of the things I disagree with
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: about compulsory voting, apart from it being compulsory, is that
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: it masks the general public response to an election campaign,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: for example the US or the UK without voluntary voting,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: will you know, you get a number after the vote
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: of how many people voted, and that tells you exactly
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: how much the public were engaged in that election campaign.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: So to a large part, this is you know, we're
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: guessing here, we're guessing Also it does help help the
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: political parties. They don't have to get out there and
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: really nail you know, a barbecue. Stop at use John
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Howds phrase. They don't have to nail a really big,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: big ticket item because people are going to vote anyway,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: so they don't make there a little easier.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well you're singing my song. I mean I would
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: get rid of compulsory voting in an instant. I just
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: think it's an abomination that you force people to vote.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: We force the.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Disengaged and the uninterested to vote, and therefore it's usually
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: they're votes that will actually dictate the outcome. It's why
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: we get everyone appealing to the lowest common denominator. But
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: we shall see you get this sort of stuff on
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: social media.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Though this might brighten up your day.
• 30:35
  Speaker 13: Someone explained to me how it's literally twenty twenty five
• 30:38
  Speaker 13: yet seventy percent of liberal candidates a selection a men.
• 30:42
  Speaker 12: Be so serious.
• 30:44
  Speaker 13: We're not asking for a miracle, just equal representation. Albo's
• 30:48
  Speaker 13: government is the first to have a majority of women,
• 30:50
  Speaker 13: and it shows they put record funding into women's health,
• 30:53
  Speaker 13: They're closing the gender pay gap and so much more. Yeah,
• 30:55
  Speaker 13: the livers are out here, actually, like having women in
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: parliament is optional. It's not. It's a damine in them.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Oh got them?
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: I find these I find these gender wars so tiresome.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: But last time I checked, the Prime Minister and the
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Deputy Prime Minister were both men. So they're not doing
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: too well with women at the top in the Labor Party.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I just go back to a question I've been asking
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: there's people since the early eighties. If Margaret Thatcher was
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: the option for the Loyal Party, would you vote for
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Margaret Thatcher? Ask the left is that if the option
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: was between a male Albanesi and a female Thatcher, which
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: one are you choosing? Because it's not at all about gender.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: To the well, it's about policy. It's about it's about
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: it's about what they're offering in terms of the country,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: the division of the country. You know, if you replaced
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: someone in the US election, you know, against Trump, with
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: someone with better policies, they might have done better. Again,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: it's not all about gender. People who well truly past that.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I think you know, we go back to the seventies
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: and eighties Thatcher, so you know, the world got over
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: that thing a long time ago.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: I think the voters are smarter than these people think.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: I mean that everyone would love to see a female president,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: for instance, but it's going to happen on merit. Not
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: enough people voted for Kamala Harris just on the basis
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: that she was a woman. And this brings us to
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: what you've written about this week, And this is an
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: astonishing story. Of course, the common sense that's come from
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: the UK Supreme Court. But I've just been flabbergasted by
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: the backlash we crossed the Sophie els with in London
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: last night, the violence and the vitriol over a very simple,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: common sense, science based decision.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: It's funny, isn't it that science was science is sacred.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: If you're talking about climate change, you know, you've got
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: to follow the science, it's this worshipful thing. You've got
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: to adore the science. But then when you point out
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: a fairly basic element of science, a biological part of it,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: suddenly it's down to belief. They were science, you know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: the whole the whole ladder changes, the whole order shit.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: And they really really don't like it. I mean, I
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: liked the one comment that I've I've quoted in the column,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: was it you know, in terms of science, this is
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: one of the first scientific things that most human beings
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: aware of is that there's male and female. Is this
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: goes back quite a way back to the fact, it
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: goes back to a pre verbal stage of human development.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: And now it's a point of distinction that's so deep
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: that we're coming to blows over it. It doesn't make
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: any sense.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: It does not make any sense whatsoever. Thanks for joinings,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Tim tim Blair there. You can read his stuff in
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: the Daily Teller. Our full catch up with him later
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: in the week as well.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: No we won't this week. I have more about that later.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: I got to get to a break on the other
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: side of the catch up with former Labor Front bencher
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Michael Danby and talk to him about labor.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: Preferencing the Greens.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Now, former Federal Labor MP and Front bencher Michael Danby
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: has been working with a lot of other like minded
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: labor supporters in Melbourne to stop labor preferencing the Greens,
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: in particular in special seeds. Now there reason they're doing this,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: partly a litle more largely is because of the Green's
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: position on Israel and the anti Semitism and support, but
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: also a lot of other extreme Green's policies. Michael Danbi
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: now joins me live from Melbourne. Thanks for joining us, Michael.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: It's the important work you're doing. I want us to
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: go straight to the seat of Isaacs though. And Mark Dreyfus,
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: the Attorney General. Let's have a look at his how
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: to vote card. Mark Dreyfus is a Jewish Man and
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: here he is preferencing the Greens number two, his preference
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: going to Matthew Kirwan, the Greens candidate.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: How do you justify this?
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Explain this.
• 34:39
  Speaker 14: It's not justifiable, it's not ethical or practical. If Mark
• 34:43
  Speaker 14: had told people not to preference the Greens, the Greens
• 34:46
  Speaker 14: could have taken no revenge on him, because the Green
• 34:49
  Speaker 14: voters would preference the Labor Party anyhow, because they're mainly
• 34:53
  Speaker 14: left of center voters, so Marks no worse than many
• 34:57
  Speaker 14: other Labor candidates around the country. I just think Albo
• 35:00
  Speaker 14: and Wong have been criticizing the Greens and some of
• 35:04
  Speaker 14: their extreme policies, but they've done nothing about it, and
• 35:08
  Speaker 14: they should have been held to accounts by the media,
• 35:11
  Speaker 14: just like the Liberal Party was forced to drop their
• 35:15
  Speaker 14: preferences to one nation in the Howard era. I mean
• 35:18
  Speaker 14: do you know we've just discovered Chris, that the Greens,
• 35:23
  Speaker 14: if they're re elected in the numbers that they're there
• 35:26
  Speaker 14: at the moment, will try and reintro introduce a dynastic
• 35:31
  Speaker 14: wealth tax, which is their new code name for an
• 35:35
  Speaker 14: inheritance tax or a death tax. Now, I don't believe
• 35:38
  Speaker 14: that Senator Marine Ferruki is going to come into homes
• 35:41
  Speaker 14: in middle of park and evaluate people's carpets and artwork
• 35:44
  Speaker 14: and then tax them at thirty percent. But it's a
• 35:47
  Speaker 14: terrible idea. It's as bad as their views on negative gearing.
• 35:54
  Speaker 14: So you know, the Greens should be evaluated. Mark shouldn't
• 35:58
  Speaker 14: be preferencing them, and we're not leaving it to chance.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: In McNamara, I'll come to the Greens. Yeah, I'll come
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: to that in a moment, Michael be.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: I first want to show it's a consequential seat McNamara.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: It's held by Labor's Josh Burns, also a Jewish Australian.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Let's have a look at his how to vote card.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: He's just saying vote for me number one. Then he's
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: leaving it blank, leaving it up to everybody else, and
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: I Dipsmelid to him that's a principled stance because that
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: is not a super safe seat. You know he will
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: be under some sort of threat there from the liberal candidate,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Benson Solo.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: And you're back in there. I'll go to this how
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: to vote card.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Or this pamphlet that you're Sprewking Michael now for the
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: same seat where you're saying stop the Greens, and you've
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: got a different how to vote card. Rather than leaving
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: it up to people suggesting they go number one for
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Josh Burns and number two for the liberal Benson Solo,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: explain to us what's going on in McNamara, why are
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: you doing this and how it might unfold.
• 36:56
  Speaker 14: Well, don't just take it from me. Last night on
• 36:58
  Speaker 14: Boltz program, Senator Stephen Conroy, who is a very well
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: informed person, suggested that Josh Burns might run third. Now,
• 37:07
  Speaker 14: with the preferential system, candidates are eliminated from the bottom,
• 37:11
  Speaker 14: So that would mean that Benson Solo, the Liberal, got
• 37:15
  Speaker 14: the highest number of primaries and then the Greens got
• 37:18
  Speaker 14: above Josh Burns. Josh Burns's primaries would then be distributed
• 37:24
  Speaker 14: their second preferences and this card is designed to avoid
• 37:29
  Speaker 14: the seat falling into the Green's hands by mistake by
• 37:35
  Speaker 14: getting labor voters to preference away from the Greens to
• 37:40
  Speaker 14: Benson Solo, who's a decent, middle of the road indigenous man.
• 37:48
  Speaker 14: I think he's closer to a world view of someone
• 37:51
  Speaker 14: like you, Chris and some of the more hardline people
• 37:56
  Speaker 14: like Alexantich or something like that.
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  Speaker 4: So it's a.
• 37:59
  Speaker 14: Good candidate and we would prefer him to be elected than.
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  Speaker 4: Good on you.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: I admire what you're doing because it's a principal standard
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: and it needs to be adopted more broadly by all
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: parties trying to eliminate the extremists.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: And just have a look at this.
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  Speaker 3: Billboard in broad Meadows in the northern suburbs of Melbourne.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't seen this with my own eyes, but you've
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: sent it into us. You've sent this one into us, Michael,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: have you sent it this legitimate, this free past.
• 38:28
  Speaker 14: One for the set it out before I sent it
• 38:31
  Speaker 14: to you, because I wanted to make sure that it
• 38:33
  Speaker 14: was accurate. And I'm told by several people that they've
• 38:37
  Speaker 14: seen it and it towers over broad Meadows. You would think, Chris,
• 38:41
  Speaker 14: that they're campaigning in Gaza rather than in working class
• 38:45
  Speaker 14: broad Meadows. This is designed to sort of corral the
• 38:49
  Speaker 14: Muslim vote in the western suburbs towards them. I think
• 38:53
  Speaker 14: it's inciting foreign policy issues in a different way. The
• 38:58
  Speaker 14: Greens are such hypocrites, Chris. You never hear them speak
• 39:02
  Speaker 14: up on the Wigas or the Tibetans. They have an
• 39:05
  Speaker 14: app that Jordan Steel John's there foreign spokesman is weak
• 39:09
  Speaker 14: on China, said nothing about the Chinese navy going around
• 39:14
  Speaker 14: Australia twice. And these are the kinds of things that
• 39:19
  Speaker 14: the electorate should examine. The grand political part apart from
• 39:22
  Speaker 14: the young people in Middle Park and Albert Park fearing
• 39:26
  Speaker 14: not getting their inheritances part part of being stolen with
• 39:30
  Speaker 14: this gymnastic wealth tax, if God forbid they get into
• 39:33
  Speaker 14: an alliance with Elbow.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Michael, I appreciate it, Michael danby
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: their former labor MP working with other labor supporters against
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: the Greens in a principled stand in the seat of
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: McNamara in particular in Melbourne. Now coming up after the break,
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: catch up with Susie O'Brien and Stephen Sanmi Tiempo. We'll
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: get back on the Manique Ryan and the politician who
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: no longer wants to speak. Let's go to our TUESA
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: on night panel with O'Brien from The Herald Son joining
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: us live from Melbourne and Radio two Double Sea Breakfast
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: host Steven seventy Empire in the nation's capital.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: I just want to get thoughts from both of you.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: I'll start with you, sus He just on the passing
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: of Pope Francis and the impact here in Australia.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, I think a lot of people are genuinely very
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: very sad, and I think you know, he was a
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: breath of fresh air for the Catholic Church. You know,
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: everybody's calling him the people's Pope. But I think a
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: lot of younger people also identified with him his talk
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: about the environment for the first time, and he was
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: also a very humble man. He had beginnings, he worked
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: in a factory when he was younger, and so I
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: think people would like to see the church continue this
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: modernization and particularly in the way it's handling child.
• 40:45
  Speaker 8: Sex abuse allegations.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: And this is.
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: Someone who first off talked about being very suspicious and
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: then met with survivors and talked about how the church
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: needed to do more to address their concerns.
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: So I think it's actually genuinely a very sad.
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  Speaker 7: And a lot of people are hoping this modernization continues.
• 41:03
  Speaker 15: Sumn, Well, look, when we talk about modernization, I think
• 41:08
  Speaker 15: the thing that people have got to realize, and they
• 41:10
  Speaker 15: talk about Catholics and Conservatives and progresses within the Catholic churches,
• 41:13
  Speaker 15: We're not talking about the difference between you know, the
• 41:16
  Speaker 15: Greens and the Liberal Party. We're talking about the difference
• 41:18
  Speaker 15: between Tony Abbott and John Howard. I mean, the church
• 41:20
  Speaker 15: changes very gradually, and has done over the last twenty
• 41:24
  Speaker 15: twenty five years. So I don't buy into this overly
• 41:28
  Speaker 15: progressive argument that people make. But he was a genuinely
• 41:32
  Speaker 15: humble man, a compassionate person, and I think that's what
• 41:34
  Speaker 15: a lot of people forget when they think about the
• 41:36
  Speaker 15: politics of the church, is that the man who's at
• 41:38
  Speaker 15: the head of the church has got to be a pastor,
• 41:42
  Speaker 15: has got to be a shepherd for his flock. And
• 41:44
  Speaker 15: I think Francis was that, if nothing else, a very
• 41:48
  Speaker 15: very humble bloke who came from humble beginnings, a man
• 41:51
  Speaker 15: of first the first Jesuit to ever be pope, the
• 41:53
  Speaker 15: first South American to ever be pope, and has left
• 41:56
  Speaker 15: to marked a legacy that will be hard to follow,
• 42:00
  Speaker 15: but all popes before him have been exactly the same.
• 42:02
  Speaker 15: And it is a very, very sad day, not just
• 42:05
  Speaker 15: for Catholics, but I think for Christians right across the world.
• 42:07
  Speaker 15: And I'm going to say it's hit me a little
• 42:08
  Speaker 15: bit harder than I thought it would too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting perspectives, and it's important to reflect that compassion.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: And that's why I talked about at the top of
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: the program.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: I don't pretend to be overtly religious, but I've had
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: a lifetime's experience and exposure to Catholics and Catholic laypeople,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: and the so much good and so much compassion and
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: so much generosity that's too often overshadowed by the other controversy.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: So it's a good time to reflect on that as well.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: And look, let's go to politics, and we're talking about
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: an election campaign that's struggling to cut through, partly because
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: of news events like this Easter and Anzac Day. Learning
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Susie and I'm normally you expect politicians to sort of
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: beat a path to the cameras, don't stand between a
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: politician and a television camera. But it was the opposite
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: effect today out at Kiyong have this.
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: I want to know how your campaign's going this morning.
• 43:04
  Speaker 8: It's going well, Thanks, Laurence.
• 43:05
  Speaker 11: I am here to engage your photos through a prepole. Yeah, so,
• 43:10
  Speaker 11: I'm not sure it's really ideal for you to be
• 43:13
  Speaker 11: interrupting to process.
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: Have you had any other ready?
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: Have you had any other thoughts about whether it's okay
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: to pay influences?
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Thanks?
• 43:26
  Speaker 11: She's already to climb interview.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: She's busy engaging with voters, Susie. She engages with voters
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: like Nurse Ratchet used to engage with everyone in one
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: floor over the Cookoo's nest.
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: Can I be really honest? Prepole goes for two weeks.
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: There is absolutely nothing else to do but stand on
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: the street and hand out how to vote cards. She
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: and Amelie Hamer will be there every single day, every
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: single minute for the next two weeks.
• 43:53
  Speaker 8: By the end of that time, you.
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: Talk to anyone, You talk to people emptying the guard wage,
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: you talk to people with or without a camera possible
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: unless you're money gran.
• 44:01
  Speaker 8: That is a really bad look. She should be happy
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: to get her message out.
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: Trust me, they didn't seem like there was a lot
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: of voters there.
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: She should talk to anyone who wants to talk to her.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: She had a lot of staffers there.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: You can pick them out, strangely enough because they wear
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: the color till.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: I couldn't see her husband there.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: But if we roll this next bit of vision, I
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: hope he wasn't out there doing this sort of thing again, Stephen.
• 44:28
  Speaker 15: Look, I think he's probably been banned from the campaign, Chris,
• 44:31
  Speaker 15: but I think it's hilarious and I'm engaging with voters
• 44:34
  Speaker 15: unless they watch Sky News. I don't want to engage
• 44:37
  Speaker 15: with those voters whatsoever. But let me tell Monique Ryan
• 44:39
  Speaker 15: something for free. As somebody there's been on many polling
• 44:42
  Speaker 15: booths over the last thirty years. If you turn up
• 44:44
  Speaker 15: to the first day of pre poll, you've made your
• 44:47
  Speaker 15: mind up. No matter who hands you are pamphlet, they
• 44:49
  Speaker 15: are not going to change your mind. You are there
• 44:51
  Speaker 15: to vote early for whoever it is you've already made
• 44:53
  Speaker 15: your mind up about. So you know, you might as
• 44:55
  Speaker 15: well talk to the media and try and fix repair
• 44:57
  Speaker 15: some of the damage you've done to your brand over
• 44:59
  Speaker 15: the last few weeks. Monique, well, she.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Does my head in because she keeps telling people that
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: she's said everything on this issue.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: She was a week or so back. I don't have
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: a comment for you comment on that matter already.
• 45:11
  Speaker 11: Thank you.
• 45:12
  Speaker 9: Do you think that was an appropriate thing to do?
• 45:14
  Speaker 11: Could you please get your cameras away from me.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's commented on that before and her comment was
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: no comment. So he stopped asking me to repeat my
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: no comment. She's just going to repeat it. But of
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: course I do also want to remind people of those
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: all those staffers fluttering around there in the till windsheeters
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: and teal t shirts. They're understrict instructions about how to
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: refer to their boss.
• 45:39
  Speaker 16: It's really really important to use the term doctor Monique Ryan.
• 45:43
  Speaker 16: We want people to know that she's a doctor. And
• 45:46
  Speaker 16: Monique Bryan is the way that her name appears on
• 45:49
  Speaker 16: a ballot paper, so that's really really important. She used
• 45:51
  Speaker 16: doctor Monique Ryan.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: Susie, you're there, you're in amongst it, you know, Melbourne.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Well tell me that doctor Monique Ryan can go back
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: to being a doctor after election day, please.
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: I just think that just sounds like she's up herself
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: to be really honest.
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: I'm a doctor. Do you call me doctor?
• 46:10
  Speaker 13: No?
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: You do not?
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: Well, perhaps that would be nice. I wouldn't mind that
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: but you know she cannot have that sort of added.
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: She just does not go down well. It rubs people
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: up the wrong way, whether she's trying to get a
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: Remember we had the issue a couple of days ago
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: where she had that big billboard that the publican put
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: up saying she voted seventy seven percent of the time
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: with the Greens. And now the apparently Tills dominated Burindura
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: Council are saying.
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: They have to pull that down.
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: So I think she should be if every vote will
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: matter in Kujong, she should be out there talking to
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: the voters, and she should be out there talking to
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: the media and not mucking around by whether she's called
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: doctor or not.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: I hope Laura Jays is going to be live outside
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: that pre pole again tomorrow and give it another crack.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: We shall see.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: There's plenty of plenty of seats to look at in
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: this election campaign, but that one's going to be pretty interesting.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Let's just to quickly jump onto another issue. It's a
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: state political issue in Victoria, Stephen, but I get your
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: thoughts on it.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: And of course the Ollen government they're just into.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Allen government was dragged kicking and screaming to toughen up
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: bail laws, has done it belatedly, and hey, pressed though
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: it's actually paying dividends already.
• 47:18
  Speaker 15: Well, it just identifies that there was a problem that
• 47:21
  Speaker 15: the government denied for years and years and years, that
• 47:24
  Speaker 15: there was a youth crime problem. It's now been identified.
• 47:26
  Speaker 15: They've now been, as you say, drag kicking and screaming
• 47:29
  Speaker 15: and changing the bail laws and it's having immediate effect.
• 47:32
  Speaker 15: I mean, I think this is good for the people
• 47:33
  Speaker 15: in Victoria. Too little, too late. But you know, what's
• 47:37
  Speaker 15: the old saying that are broken clocks right twice a day?
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Indeed, unless it's a twenty four hour clock, in which
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: case it is only right once a day. And Susan,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: you've written about a private school again in Melbourne and
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: again these issues with young boys in particular and social
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: media and nasty misogynist messages.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: What's going on here?
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: It's just so disturbing.
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: I mean, parents are paying thirty forty thousand dollars a
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: year to keep their kids safe and give them a
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: good education, only to find that this particular group of girls,
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: there were two boys from Hallibury, you know, one of.
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: Melbourne's leading schools.
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: We're talking in really disparaging ways for months and months
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: and months not only about them and the things that
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: they would wanted to do to them, but there are
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: a lot of other of their friends, they thought in
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: that group chat who didn't say anything. So it's not
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: just about the perpetrators, but about the bystanders who just
• 48:31
  Speaker 7: do absolutely nothing. And you know, in the lead up
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: to this social media ban at the end of this year,
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: we really need to see schools and families.
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: Crack down on this kind of behavior.
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: And you do have to wonder what do we have
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: to do to get the message through to these young boys.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, thanks for joining us, both of you. Look
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: forward to catching up next week. Give you thanks your
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: last election predictions. Susio O'Brien there and Steven Sena Tiempo.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Just want to finish with some of your feedback from
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: my editorial last about the Andrews Labor government, the former
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Andrews Labor government and that curfew it imposed without medical advice.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: One viewer says, we will never forget what Daniel Andrews
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: put us through, and Gary says, so why do Victorians
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: continue to elect Labor?
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: Well they did last time.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: I'll have another shot soon enough, Sean says, never forget
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: and never forgive. And Andrew says where was the country's
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: federal leadership missing in action?
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: It was a shocking episode.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us. I'll be back tomorrow night. Here's
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Peter Quidlin.