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The Mandela Effect · I Hate Talking

• 0:30
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 19 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:34
  I Hate Talking: So today's word or phrase that we'll jump straight to is the phrase Mandela effect.
• 0:40
  I Hate Talking: Oh, cool.
• 0:42
  I Hate Talking: So the Mandela effect is a type of false memory that occurs when many different people incorrectly remember the same thing or if you're in the conspiracy theory realm, it may be because they changed history or somehow reprogrammed the simulation.
• 1:02
  I Hate Talking: So this came from the example of this particular false memory that Nelson Mandela died in prison in the 1980s, but was still alive for many, many years.
• 1:21
  I Hate Talking: And actually, I don't even know if he is still alive to this day.
• 1:23
  I Hate Talking: I doubt it, but I guess we can uh do some research on that during uh this episode and see what we can find out about that.
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  I Hate Talking: But that is the.
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  I Hate Talking: Source of this particular phrase regarding the Mandela effect.
• 1:41
  I Hate Talking: Well, according to Google, if you can trust them, he passed away in 2013.
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  I Hate Talking: So far different than the 1980s that some people remember.
• 1:54
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, decades later.
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  I Hate Talking: So there's a number of Mandela effects that you can find by just typing into Google Mandela effect.
• 2:04
  I Hate Talking: There's a number of websites with, you know, clickbait titles of, you know, 54 Mandela effects that will blow your mind and uh things like that.
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  I Hate Talking: But uh let's see if you're familiar with any of these.
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  I Hate Talking: What is pictured in the fruit of the Loom logo?
• 2:21
  I Hate Talking: Oh, it's like fruit in like a bowl, like bananas and apples, maybe like an orange.
• 2:30
  I Hate Talking: In some sort of container like a bowl, you said.
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  I Hate Talking: And what kind of bowl would that be?
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  I Hate Talking: Can you describe that in more detail?
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  I Hate Talking: Um, it's like just a white or off-white bowl, right?
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  I Hate Talking: Or maybe, no, wait, uh oh.
• 2:44
  I Hate Talking: Wait, is it like uh More, uh, yeah, now I think I'm gonna stick with that answer.
• 2:51
  I Hate Talking: So according to Fruit of the Loom that uh their official logo has just the fruit, so like apple, grapes, um, maybe some different colored grapes, and that the bowl or what is typically referred to as a cornucopia or a horn of plenty.
• 3:14
  I Hate Talking: I almost said yes.
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  I Hate Talking: I wasn't pitching a cornucopia.
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  I Hate Talking: I was picturing that um the weaving, the woven.
• 3:23
  I Hate Talking: Bowl is what I thought of.
• 3:26
  I Hate Talking: Oh man, -- should have went with -- that.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, there you go.
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  I Hate Talking: So you did picture in your mind the cornucopia.
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  I Hate Talking: And the fruit contained within, but according to Fruit of the Loom, they never had that particular logo, and it has always exclusively been the fruit, or if you look at some of their uh later um publications on this, uh, they actually have some pictures that go all the way back to 1926 uh with regards to their particular logo.
• 4:01
  I Hate Talking: So, now I want to go through y'all's clothes, like your undershirts and see.
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  I Hate Talking: So I feel like Then why do we all think, picture the cornucopia then?
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  I Hate Talking: So, we are not sure.
• 4:17
  I Hate Talking: Um, this is considered one of the prime examples of the Mandela effect.
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  I Hate Talking: And, you know, according to the uh Perception of the cornucopia in the logo, it actually goes back decades.
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  I Hate Talking: Um, there's a number of, um, False images and um Things of that nature that uh.
• 4:48
  I Hate Talking: That described this, the fertile loam logo has always contained an apple, green grapes, purple grapes, and leaves, um, and they actually, there's some websites that did a search and actually went back, like I said, all the way to 1926 to find all the different logos from that time until current and uh we're not able to find any particular logos that contained the cornucopia.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: What are some other examples then?
• 5:17
  I Hate Talking: I gotta get one of these right.
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  I Hate Talking: So one supposed explanation of this is actually that the fruit of the loom with the cornucopia was used in knockoff clothing, so that basically there were false manufacturers of clothing that claimed to be fruit of the loom and they use this particular logo instead of the official logo.
• 5:40
  I Hate Talking: Oh, OK.
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  I Hate Talking: So that's why some people would argue that they do have for the loom.
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  I Hate Talking: Clothing with a cornucopia, but you're saying that that wouldn't be an original.
• 5:51
  I Hate Talking: Correct.
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  I Hate Talking: And that um is the explanation that a number of researchers have given in terms of how people have photos of clothing with the fruit of the loom cornucopia.
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  I Hate Talking: Icon on it.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: So another popular one that uh is often cited is the Bernstein Bears.
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  I Hate Talking: So when you're spelling Bernstein Bears, any particular thoughts on how that is spelled or even pronounced because I may even be doing it wrong, because I think I may actually be uh referring to.
• 6:29
  I Hate Talking: The wrong Uh name actually, in calling it the Bernstein bears, Bernstein bears.
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  I Hate Talking: So you're saying Steen, Bernstein, yeah.
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  I Hate Talking: And that is the Mandela effect is that it would be spelled B E R E N S T E I N, the Bernstein bears, uh but it's actually the Barnste bears, B E R E N S T A I N.
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  I Hate Talking: Now again on this one, there are some DVDs that I think I've seen pictures of where it does have the spelling with the E.
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  I Hate Talking: Um, there is even some, um.
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  I Hate Talking: Toys that have the barn stain bears versus the Barnstein bears.
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  I Hate Talking: Uh, so there are uh some examples, um, but in all the official books, uh, it is Ben Stain, and that is actually named after the authors, Stan and Jan Bernstein, so, uh, unlikely that they would get their own name incorrect.
• 7:41
  I Hate Talking: I guess not.
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  I Hate Talking: Immer for them.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, well, did you know that in Star Wars, the Luke I am your father was never said?
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  I Hate Talking: Yep, that is correct.
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  I Hate Talking: Another uh popular Mandela effect where that line is often quoted but it does not actually appear in the movie.
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  I Hate Talking: No, his official line is, no, I am your father.
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  I Hate Talking: Yes, indeed, another interesting one.
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  I Hate Talking: So.
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  I Hate Talking: Uh, I would have, uh, definitely quoted that incorrectly had I not, uh, been studying this particular subject.
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  I Hate Talking: Um, so for the loom, Bernstein bears, the, uh, Luke I am your father, um.
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  I Hate Talking: Another one that uh refers to uh some wording in particular a lyric.
• 8:33
  I Hate Talking: How does the song We Are the Champions end?
• 8:36
  I Hate Talking: Champions, we are the champions.
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  I Hate Talking: We are the champions, my friend.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, that's interesting because that's not even one of the Mandela effects nor the correct answer.
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  I Hate Talking: Most people, uh, and if you're singing that to yourself or in your head, uh, may have been singing We are the champions of the world, um, but that phrase of the world does not occur in the actual ending of the song.
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  I Hate Talking: What's the end of the song then?
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  I Hate Talking: We are the champions.
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  I Hate Talking: Oh, -- but I said my -- friend.
• 9:08
  I Hate Talking: I added that.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 9:09
  I Hate Talking: OK, another quote.
• 9:12
  I Hate Talking: Is Forrest Gump.
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  I Hate Talking: Life is like a box of chocolates.
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  I Hate Talking: And that's not correct.
• 9:19
  I Hate Talking: Do you know what the original line is?
• 9:23
  I Hate Talking: You never know what you're gonna get is the ending of the phrase, but I think that's probably correct, but I'm not remembering the beginning of the phrase.
• 9:32
  I Hate Talking: He actually says, life was like a box of chocolate.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, there you go.
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  I Hate Talking: Going back to the We Are the Champions, there's actually lyric sites that have that lyric on there, but then there's other websites that uh just say that it ends with no time for losing because we are the champions and then fades into silence.
• 9:53
  I Hate Talking: Uh, so I guess, uh, may have to go listen to the, uh, the song and come back.
• 10:01
  I Hate Talking: All right, and then, um, our kids are asleep right now, but I'm gonna definitely ask one of ours who is a big time Pokemon fan.
• 10:12
  I Hate Talking: That they're saying that that Pikachu.
• 10:17
  I Hate Talking: Does not have a black tip on his tail.
• 10:20
  I Hate Talking: It's solid yellow.
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  I Hate Talking: And I would have put money down that the tip was black.
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  I Hate Talking: There you have it.
• 10:28
  I Hate Talking: So, yet another one, even in uh childhood.
• 10:31
  I Hate Talking: Cartoons All right, so, uh, through the power of editing, we actually just listened to the We Are the Champions and, uh, according to Spotify, the original song by Queen does end with no time for Losers because we are the champions and then has a little bit of an instrumental and then just sort of fades off.
• 10:52
  I Hate Talking: Uh, the lyrics are correct on Spotify, but on some of these other lyric websites, uh, it does have the incorrect thing stated.
• 11:01
  I Hate Talking: Wow, crazy.
• 11:03
  I Hate Talking: Can't even trust Google Google nowadays.
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  I Hate Talking: All right.
• 11:08
  I Hate Talking: And then uh one of my favorites, uh, because we are typically are around a lot of Christians that, uh, like to talk about the Bible, and this is one that, uh, during the late night conversations can uh makes people think, so what animal laid down with the lamb?
• 11:29
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 11:30
  I Hate Talking: Well, I know the answer because, well, now I'm confused.
• 11:34
  I Hate Talking: I know what you want me to say, because everyone will say lamb, the lion lay down at the lamb.
• 11:41
  I Hate Talking: Um, but it is the Was it like a What?
• 11:51
  I Hate Talking: What is it?
• 11:53
  I Hate Talking: That's correct.
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  I Hate Talking: -- So -- I started second guessing myself.
• 11:56
  I Hate Talking: So that's Isaiah chapter 11 verse 6 that says the wolf shall also dwell with the lamb.
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  I Hate Talking: So like you said, a lot of people will think of the lion and the lamb, and uh, there actually is some.
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  I Hate Talking: Explanation perhaps on the history of that one, because there was a popular song in the 70s or 80s, I believe, where uh the particular artist had written a song that the lion child lie down with the lamb.
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  I Hate Talking: So uh they perhaps uh misquoted that particular verse or had something else completely in mind and that was uh perhaps what affected people's memory of what the actual Bible verse is.
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  I Hate Talking: Um, and then also there's a lot of uh artist renditions of a lion and lamb laying down, but if you actually search, you can search, uh, Wolf laying down with the lamb, and there's also quite a lot of artists renditions of that particular scene as well.
• 13:00
  I Hate Talking: I feel like I can't trust life anymore.
• 13:04
  I Hate Talking: Well, how would you spell Chick fil A?
• 13:07
  I Hate Talking: So Chick fil A.
• 13:09
  I Hate Talking: I think it's just because people don't know how to spell because I Don't have any particular memory of one way or the other.
• 13:20
  I Hate Talking: Maybe this is because Chick fil A wasn't really a popular restaurant in my childhood.
• 13:26
  I Hate Talking: It's, it's become more of a mainstay here within the last, you know, decade or two.
• 13:32
  I Hate Talking: I think I spell it correctly.
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  I Hate Talking: It'd be Chick, C H I C K dash F I L dash A.
• 13:41
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, most people leave off the K apparently.
• 13:45
  I Hate Talking: Uh So it's more like chic file.
• 13:49
  I Hate Talking: Hi guys, I do not know why I'm here, but my tooth just fell out, so I'm gonna leave this closet, or I mean studio, bye.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, before you go.
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  I Hate Talking: Before you go, What color Is Pikachu's tail.
• 14:10
  I Hate Talking: Well, last time we checked, it was like yellow with like brown stripes.
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  I Hate Talking: Was there any color on the tip of his tail?
• 14:21
  I Hate Talking: Well, if brown counts as a color.
• 14:24
  I Hate Talking: Brown, so a brown tip on his tail that's mainly yellow.
• 14:27
  I Hate Talking: Yes.
• 14:29
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 14:29
  I Hate Talking: It also alert the tooth fairy, so bye.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, so can you tell me what color is Pikachu's tail?
• 14:38
  I Hate Talking: Brown.
• 14:40
  I Hate Talking: Brown, is it all brown?
• 14:42
  I Hate Talking: No.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, does it, what colors does it have in it?
• 14:46
  I Hate Talking: Yellow and brown.
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  I Hate Talking: So it has like a brown tip on the tip of the yellow tail.
• 14:53
  I Hate Talking: Yes, a tiny, a tiny one, so tiny.
• 14:57
  I Hate Talking: A tiny tip of brown on a yellow tail, excellent, thank you.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, now you just remembered another detail.
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  I Hate Talking: Go ahead and share.
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  I Hate Talking: At its yellow.
• 15:06
  I Hate Talking: So it's all completely yellow?
• 15:09
  I Hate Talking: No, not completely yellow.
• 15:11
  I Hate Talking: All completely yellow?
• 15:13
  I Hate Talking: Nope.
• 15:13
  I Hate Talking: OK, but it does have some other color on it.
• 15:16
  I Hate Talking: Yes, yes.
• 15:18
  I Hate Talking: What other color on it does it have?
• 15:19
  I Hate Talking: And that was our Pokemon expert.
• 15:23
  I Hate Talking: He does know a ton about Pokemon.
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  I Hate Talking: And he fell for the Mandela effect for poking Pikachu's tail.
• 15:29
  I Hate Talking: Precisely.
• 15:30
  I Hate Talking: So there's actually a lot of other Mandela effects related to the spellings of words.
• 15:36
  I Hate Talking: We've already touched on, I guess, to the barn stain bears and Chick fil A, um, another whole, there's a whole bunch of them, but there's peanut butter, a lot of people call that Jiffy.
• 15:48
  I Hate Talking: Uh, Looney Tunes uh is not spelled with the Tunish double O.
• 15:55
  I Hate Talking: It's actually spelled correctly T U N E S.
• 15:58
  I Hate Talking: Uh there's uh For breeze, uh, it is not breeze like the wind.
• 16:07
  I Hate Talking: It's actually only has one E, so it has a single E.
• 16:10
  I Hate Talking: There's Oscar Mayer, which actually has an A, so that's uh M A Y E R.
• 16:16
  I Hate Talking: A lot of people remember E, sort of like the Bernstein, Bernstein.
• 16:19
  I Hate Talking: Um, fruit loops, uh, again, is, uh, the, uh, fruit is actually spelled with a double O, like the loops.
• 16:33
  I Hate Talking: Um, so again, a lot of people just consider the, the correct spelling fruit.
• 16:38
  I Hate Talking: OK, this one I got right, which shows my priorities.
• 16:42
  I Hate Talking: How would you draw the target logo?
• 16:45
  I Hate Talking: So I would draw it with one red outer circle, a white inner circle, and a red dot.
• 16:52
  I Hate Talking: OK, that's, yes, me too.
• 16:55
  I Hate Talking: And I just confirmed from my target circle app, and that's what it is.
• 16:59
  I Hate Talking: I guess most people put a middle circle in there.
• 17:04
  I Hate Talking: No, no, no.
• 17:06
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 17:06
  I Hate Talking: Um, Flintstones having two T's, so Flint and stones, uh, a lot of people just refer to it as Flintstones.
• 17:16
  I Hate Talking: Um, so a lot of these I think are just Not uh clear pronunciation or they're actually using improper spelling when it's supposed to be properly spelled or they're using proper spelling when it should be improperly spelled.
• 17:29
  I Hate Talking: So a lot of Mandela effects in that category of just swapping letters or not remembering words specifically and those I do think fall more in the category of just, uh, either.
• 17:41
  I Hate Talking: misremembering or uh just not being accurate, uh or even mishearing or misreading what is uh there in front of the person.
• 17:53
  I Hate Talking: OK, maybe you've seen this one.
• 17:55
  I Hate Talking: What is Waldo and where's Waldo?
• 17:57
  I Hate Talking: Is he carrying anything and if he is, what is he carrying?
• 18:02
  I Hate Talking: Well, there were certain Where's Waldo books that you had to find something that he had lost, and I think I do seem to recall that in some of those that he was maybe carrying an item.
• 18:14
  I Hate Talking: Um, But as the standard.
• 18:19
  I Hate Talking: Where's Waldo character?
• 18:22
  I Hate Talking: Um, I can picture him with like his hands on his hips and maybe carrying a cane or a briefcase.
• 18:28
  I Hate Talking: Doesn't your sister have all these books?
• 18:31
  I Hate Talking: Like she collects them, right, or used to?
• 18:33
  I Hate Talking: We should ask her sometime.
• 18:35
  I Hate Talking: I believe she does have the copies of all those.
• 18:37
  I Hate Talking: -- So -- what's the answer on that one?
• 18:40
  I Hate Talking: So, it looks like I can't find that.
• 18:43
  I Hate Talking: Um, official answer, but it looks like most people agree that it's a cane.
• 18:51
  I Hate Talking: He's walking with a cane.
• 18:53
  I Hate Talking: A lot of people think he's not carrying anything or he's carrying a striped umbrella.
• 18:59
  I Hate Talking: R is another popular option.
• 19:02
  I Hate Talking: Also, his name is actually not Waldo.
• 19:06
  I Hate Talking: Do you know that?
• 19:07
  I Hate Talking: So I did picture him carrying a cane in some of the uh images that I conjured up in my mind.
• 19:14
  I Hate Talking: Uh.
• 19:15
  I Hate Talking: And I'm not sure that I knew that his name was not Waldo.
• 19:22
  I Hate Talking: Now, in our American versions, it does say Waldo, so you can't blame us Americans for that.
• 19:29
  I Hate Talking: But where the books were actually created, his name was, Where's Wally.
• 19:35
  I Hate Talking: And then when it was translated, American and Canadian releases say Waldo.
• 19:41
  I Hate Talking: Well, I am an American, so I think I got that one right then.
• 19:46
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I can't blame us for that one.
• 19:47
  I Hate Talking: Also, we used to have a dog named Waldo in our early years of marriage.
• 19:52
  I Hate Talking: He was an old rescue and passed away since.
• 19:56
  I Hate Talking: Uh, we got a lot of kicks and a lot of jokes out of people calling for where's Waldo.
• 20:02
  I Hate Talking: There's a sweet pop.
• 20:03
  I Hate Talking: There you have it.
• 20:05
  I Hate Talking: All right, so perhaps just a few more.
• 20:09
  I Hate Talking: Uh, this one again is just a spelling thing, but what are the brand of pizza rolls?
• 20:18
  I Hate Talking: Bagel bites?
• 20:20
  I Hate Talking: No.
• 20:21
  I Hate Talking: -- Pizza pizza -- rolls.
• 20:23
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, who makes them?
• 20:24
  I Hate Talking: It starts with the letter T.
• 20:25
  I Hate Talking: Oh, to Tito, Totino's.
• 20:28
  I Hate Talking: OK, well, then there you go.
• 20:30
  I Hate Talking: You got that one right.
• 20:31
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, this shows my priorities, junk food in Target.
• 20:34
  I Hate Talking: Totino's, yes, so a lot of people will say toastinos with an S after the O T O S T I N O.
• 20:41
  I Hate Talking: I love my junk food, my Diet Coke, my Target.
• 20:44
  I Hate Talking: We've already established all this on this podcast.
• 20:47
  I Hate Talking: Here you go.
• 20:49
  I Hate Talking: Another one that is uh a frequent debate is the movie.
• 20:54
  I Hate Talking: Shazam.
• 20:57
  I Hate Talking: So have you ever heard of the movie Shazam?
• 20:59
  I Hate Talking: Oh.
• 21:00
  I Hate Talking: I feel like I've heard it referenced.
• 21:03
  I Hate Talking: I don't know it.
• 21:04
  I Hate Talking: And I actually don't know this one either.
• 21:06
  I Hate Talking: Apparently it's like a movie, basketball movie that had Shaq in it supposedly, um, but the, uh, the movie never existed, uh, so the, no, -- never the good -- thing I was like, oh yeah, I watch that all the time.
• 21:19
  I Hate Talking: Well, I'm honest at least too, see.
• 21:22
  I Hate Talking: So there was never a movie with Shaq in it.
• 21:25
  I Hate Talking: There was a movie with Shaq in it, but it was not Shazam and I don't believe it was even necessarily like basketball as the main plot.
• 21:33
  I Hate Talking: Weird, OK.
• 21:34
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 21:36
  I Hate Talking: What is Mr.
• 21:38
  I Hate Talking: Rogers theme song?
• 21:40
  I Hate Talking: A lot of people would say that it's a very nice day in the neighborhood, but that wouldn't be Mr.
• 21:47
  I Hate Talking: Rogers' neighborhood because Mr.
• 21:49
  I Hate Talking: Rogers actually said.
• 21:50
  I Hate Talking: It's a very beautiful day in this neighborhood.
• 21:54
  I Hate Talking: Mhm.
• 21:55
  I Hate Talking: Crazy.
• 21:55
  I Hate Talking: So, we've already discussed some of the Perhaps History and sources of these Mandela effects, uh, which not to be confused with Mandala effect, uh, which is a whole another thing that people get confused and I think that is partly the reason is that people are swapping out letters or swapping out things that they've seen that are similar where the spelling is either correct or incorrect specifically for those logos.
• 22:31
  I Hate Talking: And even where there's some overlap with those logos where perhaps they're adding the the Y ending to Jiffy because there is a peanut butter brand called Skippy that does end in the letter Y.
• 22:43
  I Hate Talking: so there are uh some frequent overlaps and just misremembering the accuracy of spelling and words and to some degree even uh pictures with regards to some of the things that we've been talking about with the fruit of the Loom logo.
• 22:59
  I Hate Talking: And other things as well.
• 23:01
  I Hate Talking: So there are, like I said, on the fringe side of things, some that believe that this is a supporting evidence of the simulation theory where we're just living in a simulation and the code gets changed and uh does not get completely updated so we have some false memories but they're not really false memories because it it exists in the past when we experienced it and uh that there's some things where um that uh.
• 23:32
  I Hate Talking: This also uh goes back to the uh black cat in the Matrix movie where it appears twice and that's sort of that deja vu feeling, uh, that is sort of related to the Mandela effect.
• 23:47
  I Hate Talking: Uh, there's also just the power of suggestion.
• 23:50
  I Hate Talking: So, uh, in addition to me personally holding to the theory that it's just people misremembering or just, uh, putting things in the wrong place and then those errors are.
• 24:02
  I Hate Talking: Uh, cascaded down to other people and across other media platforms, uh, that some of these things could be intentional just as sort of a social experiment to see how far the human mind can be tricked into believing something that's not real.
• 24:22
  I Hate Talking: So you think Jiffy intentionally wants us to forget their Label No, I don't think it would behoove the company Jeff to be doing that when I said their company name.
• 24:39
  I Hate Talking: Indeed you did.
• 24:41
  I Hate Talking: So, and I don't think Skippy would have any reason to do that either.
• 24:46
  I Hate Talking: But because we're sort of taking from Skippy then.
• 24:51
  I Hate Talking: I guess Jeff may have uh a reason to do that and I think that reminds me of another Mandela effect, uh because of the uh.
• 25:02
  I Hate Talking: Character on the skippy jar, which can you picture what that is?
• 25:07
  I Hate Talking: The character on the skippy?
• 25:10
  I Hate Talking: Oh, I can picture the GIF with like the.
• 25:13
  I Hate Talking: Mm I can't even picture it at all.
• 25:17
  I Hate Talking: They don't sell it at our Costco, so I don't buy it.
• 25:21
  I Hate Talking: Well, I seem to remember that they at one point had a.
• 25:27
  I Hate Talking: Like a fairy figure.
• 25:29
  I Hate Talking: On the jar of skippy.
• 25:33
  I Hate Talking: And I'm not finding anything immediately with their current labels.
• 25:41
  I Hate Talking: Um, so maybe I have a Mandela effect of my own with, uh, -- are you -- thinking of there's a Peter Pan peanut butter?
• 25:49
  I Hate Talking: I see, there we go.
• 25:51
  I Hate Talking: So maybe I'm thinking of Peter Pan and then does that have Tinker Bell on it?
• 25:54
  I Hate Talking: I don't know, but that was really fancy peanut butter I remember.
• 25:58
  I Hate Talking: Yes, that does not have Tinker Bell on it, but it does have Peter Pan on it.
• 26:04
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 26:04
  I Hate Talking: Maybe you're confusing both of them then.
• 26:06
  I Hate Talking: Well, there you go.
• 26:07
  I Hate Talking: One thing that we can take away from this episode is that there is a lot of overlap in peanut butter.
• 26:13
  I Hate Talking: -- and -- labeling and the Peter Pan Na, their designs are both extremely similar.
• 26:21
  I Hate Talking: Their coloring and their designs.
• 26:23
  I Hate Talking: So, maybe that's where you're getting confused.
• 26:26
  I Hate Talking: It could be.
• 26:28
  I Hate Talking: So the reason that I brought that up is that most people in the intro to Disney with the castle, remember Tinkerbell.
• 26:36
  I Hate Talking: Going to the top of the castle and hitting it with her wand.
• 26:41
  I Hate Talking: Yes.
• 26:43
  I Hate Talking: That does not exist.
• 26:46
  I Hate Talking: What does she do?
• 26:48
  I Hate Talking: She is not present in the intro at all.
• 26:50
  I Hate Talking: -- Yes -- she is.
• 26:51
  I Hate Talking: No, that is a Mandela effect.
• 26:53
  I Hate Talking: But sometimes she is.
• 26:56
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 26:57
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 26:59
  I Hate Talking: I don't wanna give this one up.
• 27:01
  I Hate Talking: I feel like I should fight for this one, and for for Tinker I should fight for Tinkerbell.
• 27:06
  I Hate Talking: So we just watched the classic old Walt Disney castle intro and it does not have any Tinkerbell and even when you searched it, you saw sort of an image that looked vaguely familiar with the castle and an overlaid image of Tinker Bell, and it has the little caption there, never happened.
• 27:27
  I Hate Talking: I wanna fight for it, because I'm sure it did.
• 27:31
  I Hate Talking: Yep, and uh again, don't really see a lot of research that indicates where this came from, um.
• 27:40
  I Hate Talking: There's uh Again, a lot of people that remember uh Tinker Bell either.
• 27:47
  I Hate Talking: Dotting the I in Disney or at least flying around, yes, um, but, uh, according to that, uh, it's never happened and, uh, that, uh, there are no movies at all, uh, not even Peter Pan or anything that have that as a, uh, intro.
• 28:11
  I Hate Talking: Um, it was just the standard castle intro and uh never had Tinker Bell.
• 28:17
  I Hate Talking: OK, this really bothers me, but um I'll keep trying to figure out where this thought comes from, but other than that, I'm gonna have to In seed.
• 28:28
  I Hate Talking: So we did some again offline research and uh there is a scene from the wonderful world of Disney where uh there's a variety of uh logos and intros and there is one that does feature Tinker Bell, uh, so it does, uh, not in any way, uh, match the blue background with the white castle on the arch.
• 28:52
  I Hate Talking: Um, but there is a very 3D and colorful intro where Tinker Bell does come in and, uh, basically set off some fireworks.
• 29:03
  I Hate Talking: So, uh, the, the supposed theory on this one is that, uh, people are just misremembering and again overlapping, uh, these different, uh, memories that they have.
• 29:14
  I Hate Talking: I guess.
• 29:15
  I Hate Talking: The thing that I was referring to.
• 29:16
  I Hate Talking: When we're talking about the source of some of these things is that again, this might be a social experiment, uh, not conducted by Jeff or Skippy per se, uh, as powerful as a company as Disney is, maybe they do have some input into this, but I'm more referring to the powers that be, uh, that are determining how far they can push the envelope with what people believe and remember uh without documented.
• 29:45
  I Hate Talking: Backings of what they are.
• 29:49
  I Hate Talking: causing these people to think actually happened.
• 29:52
  I Hate Talking: Well, so you're even thinking about like history books.
• 29:57
  I Hate Talking: Or um.
• 30:00
  I Hate Talking: You mentioned before about like AI, right?
• 30:03
  I Hate Talking: Like, how that can change what we see and what we believe now.
• 30:08
  I Hate Talking: Exactly, there's even some reports on uh AI.
• 30:13
  I Hate Talking: Being asked questions about the Donald Trump assassination and responding that it can't tell the person about that because the Donald Trump assassination.
• 30:24
  I Hate Talking: Never happened.
• 30:27
  I Hate Talking: Well, technically, it didn't ever happen.
• 30:29
  I Hate Talking: It was the attempted assassination.
• 30:32
  I Hate Talking: And that could be either a deficiency in the AI, not understanding that an assassination attempt and an assassination are in the vernacular being what's referred to because obviously if we say Trump assassination, we know that what we're talking about uh as human beings.
• 30:49
  I Hate Talking: And uh or it could be something more sinister in terms of the AI being purposely driven to uh not respond about what actually happened.
• 31:01
  I Hate Talking: I just picture you as an old man sitting in your rocker, having your grandkids come sit on your lap and trying to ask them what they're learning about the Trump assassination.
• 31:12
  I Hate Talking: And when they like, are confused, you're like, let me tell you.
• 31:16
  I Hate Talking: And then you can pull off Podcasts about it and explain to them what the Trump attempted assassination really was.
• 31:24
  I Hate Talking: Exactly.
• 31:26
  I Hate Talking: So I think uh one of the things that can help combat Mandela FX is being open to the idea that we don't have a precise memory of past events and things, and we do need to rely on documentation and actual things that are recorded.
• 31:47
  I Hate Talking: Uh, and again, the importance of that is in terms of making sure that we know history and understand history and, uh, understand the current events that we find ourselves in.
• 32:00
  I Hate Talking: So as we wrap up this episode, one other thing to share is a quote from the book 1984.
• 32:08
  I Hate Talking: Which says the past he reflected, had not merely been altered it had been actually destroyed, for how could you establish even the most obvious fact when there existed no record outside of your own memory.
• 32:21
  I Hate Talking: So, can I please keep thinking that Tinker Bell lives there, because maybe they altered it and screwed up my childhood.
• 32:30
  I Hate Talking: That's a very real possibility.
• 32:33
  I Hate Talking: Because that's something I know we need to get going.
• 32:35
  I Hate Talking: It's been a long episode, but Sometimes this could be hurtful, right?
• 32:40
  I Hate Talking: Like, something that you thought was true.
• 32:42
  I Hate Talking: And it's not There's a whole bunch of implications that can go with that.
• 32:49
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 32:51
  I Hate Talking: So if you've enjoyed this episode or have enjoyed previous episodes, feel free to share that, like it, comment on it.
• 32:58
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps let us know if we've rocked your world with any of these Mandela effects that we've listed, or perhaps there's one that, uh, that you've already been aware of that we didn't get to, and uh maybe we can revisit that in a future episode.
• 33:12
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, sounds great.
• 33:14
  I Hate Talking: So, from your friends at I hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.