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5/22/26: Trump Floats Being Israeli PM, DNC Autopsy, Fetterman Israel Handler & MORE! · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, Welcome to the Breaking Points Friday edition.
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Speaker 3: We got Ryan, Emily and Crystal joining me on this show.
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Speaker 3: We got a lot of good stuff that we're going
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Speaker 3: to cover for you guys today. We got some updates
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Speaker 3: on a run with a new report saying that the
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Speaker 3: US basically spent a huge portion of our missile stockpile
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Speaker 3: or our defense interceptor missiles defending Israel. We got the
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Speaker 3: DNC autopsy that just released and it's a complete pile
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Speaker 3: of garbage. We got an explosive new report on John
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Speaker 3: fed and his apparent. I don't know what would you
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Speaker 3: guys call him, like Israel handler or something?
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Speaker 4: Yes, friend, I would say.
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Speaker 5: Brain damage plus Israel handler.
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Speaker 3: Israel handler for a brain damage man. And then we
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Speaker 3: got Hunter Biden on Candice Owens with some pretty intense
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Speaker 3: claims there, And if we get to it later, we
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Speaker 3: may have a little conspiracy that we want to get
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Speaker 3: to with an appearance on Fox News that was interesting
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Speaker 3: to say the least. And then we're also going to
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Speaker 3: be joined by ro Hit Chopra to discuss the FED.
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Speaker 3: So welcome everybody to the show. You guys excited? How
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Speaker 3: do we feel?
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Speaker 2: I'm excited. Mac has been doing some groundbreaking reporting on
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Speaker 2: this mask situation over at Fox News, so if we
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Speaker 2: rushed through the topics to get to that, you'll understand why.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's go ahead and jump in with Aron here.
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Speaker 3: So if I put this up on the screen, we
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Speaker 3: have a new report on apparently how the US wasted
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Speaker 3: a huge portion of our missile stockpile here from the
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Speaker 3: Washington Post. On defending Israel, they say here from the
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Speaker 3: Washington Post, US bears the brunt of Israel's missile defense.
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Speaker 3: Pentagon assessment shows amid hostilities with Iran, the American military
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Speaker 3: expended far more advanced interceptors to protect Israel than Israeli
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Speaker 3: forces did themselves, according to the Defense Department.
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Speaker 6: What do you guys make of this?
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Speaker 2: Well, it also reminds me of the fact that you
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Speaker 2: had some of the Gulf allies seemingly upset over the
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Speaker 2: fact that we were spending a lot more efforts and
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Speaker 2: equipment defending Israel than defending them. They felt comparatively exposed.
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Speaker 2: But Ryan, I'm curious how this dovetails with the reporting
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Speaker 2: that you all did that Israel was down to double
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Speaker 2: digit interceptors. I mean, is this just a case where
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Speaker 2: the US had a lot more to work with than
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Speaker 2: Israel did to begin with? And of course we're always
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Speaker 2: going to ride to their rescue.
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Speaker 6: Yes, And I'll send this piece to mac. Yeah, it
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Speaker 6: was several weeks ago, was it? Look early April? I
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Speaker 6: reported with maz over Upsite that yeah, that sources in
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Speaker 6: the administration we're telling us that they were down to
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Speaker 6: double digit. These rallies were down to double digit ballistic
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Speaker 6: missile interceptors. And that's key because Patriot you know, there
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Speaker 6: there are a lot of Patriot missile systems that are
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Speaker 6: still still there, but those are really designed more for
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Speaker 6: like rockets from Hamas or has Bela. Those are not
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Speaker 6: ballistic missile interceptors. They can be used for it, but
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Speaker 6: it's not what they're made for, and they're not very
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Speaker 6: effective at it. So when the war ended, yet these
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Speaker 6: rallies were down to double digits, which helps to explain
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Speaker 6: why the US was so rapidly exhausting. It's its own supplies.
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Speaker 6: You know, if the if the numbers are to be believed,
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Speaker 6: around fired something like a thousand, you know, ballistic missiles
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Speaker 6: during during this forty days plus don't forget that during
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Speaker 6: the Twelve Day War, you know, they fired a number
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Speaker 6: of ballistic missiles then, and it takes years to replenish.
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Speaker 6: So there's just a massive asymmetry in the timeline on
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Speaker 6: the scale of what it takes to deploy these things
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Speaker 6: and what it takes to replenish them. Whereas it's you know,
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Speaker 6: it feels like Iran under normal conditions can produce ballistic
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Speaker 6: missiles at a much faster rate than our kind of
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Speaker 6: you know, sclerotic industrial base can produce the ballistic missile interceptors.
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Speaker 6: And also we shoot off many per ballistic missile. You
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Speaker 6: fire one blistic missile, we might send ten or twelve
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Speaker 6: interceptors at it. Millions and millions of dollars are worth
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Speaker 6: of interceptors at one and they're sending their oldest ballistic
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Speaker 6: missiles and their cheapest and the ones that have the
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Speaker 6: closest expiration date first obviously, so the ones that they
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Speaker 6: have remaining are going through the ones that were produced
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Speaker 6: more recently and be higher tech. So if these railies
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Speaker 6: are down to double digits and the US has fired
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Speaker 6: off as significant portion of what it has, then what
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Speaker 6: is another round of fighting going to look? Like? It's like, guys, yeah,
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Speaker 6: I mean, anybody, well, right, this.
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Speaker 5: Is why we need that one point five trillion dollar.
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Speaker 7: Budget, which will be ready for another one.
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Speaker 6: But like I think he wants to do it this weekend.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is why I think people have
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Speaker 3: been saying Trump has no military options, like he can
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Speaker 3: threaten to, you know, wipe out Iranian infrastructure. The other
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Speaker 3: the other aspect of this, beyond just the shortages that
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Speaker 3: we're facing, is that in a lot of these conversations,
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Speaker 3: whether it's from like Lindsay Graham or from the push
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Speaker 3: from Benjamin at Yahoo to get US back into a
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Speaker 3: war right now. It's like they never include in that
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Speaker 3: Iran has escalatory options themselves, that they could blow up
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Speaker 3: a bunch of infrastructure in uh you know, the UAE
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Speaker 3: or the rest of the Gulf countries. You know, they've
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Speaker 3: obviously had reference to the internet cables, the undersee internet cables.
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Speaker 3: You know, they could if it really becomes existential, blow
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Speaker 3: up desalination plans. You know, lots of different things that
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Speaker 3: they could target. They could close down the Red Sea
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Speaker 3: if they wanted to work with the who Thi's on that.
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Speaker 3: So like there is no real viable military option for
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Speaker 3: Trump that's on the table year.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 8: And to the point that Crystal was just making, there's
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Speaker 8: a massive increase being asked for at the Pentagon right now.
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Speaker 8: We're a year away from DOGE, which you'll be shocked
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Speaker 8: to remember, would not, as Bannon said, across the river
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Speaker 8: and go over to the Pentagon. And here we are.
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Speaker 8: It's like you're in a situation where you're almost held
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Speaker 8: hostage because if you think of something happening in Taiwan,
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Speaker 8: which I don't know, I mean, experts say it's still
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Speaker 8: years out, but that would truly be like as close
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Speaker 8: to a hot war on American soil. It's not on
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Speaker 8: American soil obviously, but it would affect all of us
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Speaker 8: immediately in a way that what's happening in the Middle
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Speaker 8: East short of nuclear escalation is not. If we think
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Speaker 8: gas prices now are bad. What would happen if we
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Speaker 8: had if there was an invasion of and suddenly all
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Speaker 8: of our chips manufacturing was cut off that has not
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Speaker 8: been reshored or near shored that is still.
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Speaker 4: Primarily coming out of Taiwan.
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Speaker 8: Our ability to just like function and the complete basic
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Speaker 8: tasks as a society would be severely hampered. And so
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Speaker 8: now you're like, well, I guess we spent all of
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Speaker 8: that in Ukraine and Israel. We're gonna need to spend
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Speaker 8: even more money asking these defense contractors getting rich off
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Speaker 8: of everything.
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Speaker 4: To protect us.
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Speaker 8: You're like, they put you in like a hostage situation essentially,
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Speaker 8: if that were to happen. And I'm not like you
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Speaker 8: agitating for conflict in Taiwan. It's just the way the
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Speaker 8: system is set up right now that we would actually
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Speaker 8: suffer enormously if there was action in Taiwan. So it's
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Speaker 8: like again being held hostage by defense contractors.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an extreme vulnerability because of the way that
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Speaker 2: we've made ourselves completely reliant on this one particular company
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Speaker 2: based in Taiwan. I mean, the truth of the matter is, like,
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Speaker 2: look at what has happened with Iran. The idea we're
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Speaker 2: going to fight a war against China, I mean, that
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Speaker 2: is an idiotic idea to begin with, incredibly destructive. Even
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Speaker 2: Trump has indicated like, I don't think that's going to
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Speaker 2: work out. The only option with China is basically like
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Speaker 2: cooperation and coexistence. That's the only option that is on
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Speaker 2: the table at this point. And you know, I hope
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Speaker 2: that the Iran war has made that perfectly clear that
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Speaker 2: our best bet is to build up our own domestic manufacturing.
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Speaker 2: That's obviously not happening. We're going in reverse since Trump
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Speaker 2: has come into office. But that would be the ideal,
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Speaker 2: and you know, find ways to live with and do
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Speaker 2: deals with China. That would be something that you would
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Speaker 2: think that Trump would would have an interest in doing.
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Speaker 2: But Ran you mentioned you think that military hostilities that
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Speaker 2: we may restart aggressive offensive military hostilities. This weekend, I've
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Speaker 2: been seeing all kinds of like, you know, nonsensical bullshit report.
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Speaker 5: Oh, they're about to have a deal.
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Speaker 2: We're going to announced deal in hours, you know, in
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Speaker 2: different leaks that are coming out from various outlets. Of course,
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Speaker 2: we've both seen the US position, we've seen the Iranian position.
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Speaker 2: They are not in the same galaxy. There seemed to
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Speaker 2: be no points really where they have come to anything
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Speaker 2: approximating in agreement, So that seems highly unlikely to me.
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Speaker 2: What are you all hearing from your sources and what
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Speaker 2: makes you think it's a possibility that we see military
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Speaker 2: action this weekend.
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Speaker 6: Well, he's got a three day weekend. He loves to
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Speaker 6: you know, he loves to go.
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Speaker 5: To war with close a little extra time.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, thinks he's got a extra time. All of the
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Speaker 6: reports in axios suggesting that a deal is close are
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Speaker 6: kind of a leading indicator that a deal is not
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Speaker 6: close and getting cultural war. The Iranians, for their part,
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Speaker 6: seem to be assuming an attack is coming and bracing
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Speaker 6: for it. And if you're the Iranian leadership, you're probably
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Speaker 6: only going to be in a better position after the
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Speaker 6: US exhaust itself once again, depending on how long you
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Speaker 6: know they they carry it on. Now. The the personal
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Speaker 6: risk for Iranian leadership is that they they personally may
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Speaker 6: be killed again. You know, the the US and Israel
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Speaker 6: are both actually very good at assassinating, you know, the
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Speaker 6: upper echelons of organizations. I don't. They haven't yet you know,
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Speaker 6: demonstrated how that's an effective kind of military or political
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Speaker 6: strategy because new people kind of fill in, and sometimes
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Speaker 6: those new people are more effective and competent than the
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Speaker 6: previous people. Sometimes they're a little less. But just kind
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Speaker 6: of killing someone and having them be replaced by someone
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Speaker 6: else has, as far as I can tell, in any
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Speaker 6: of their conflicts, not actually done anything other than satisfy
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Speaker 6: whatever urge is satisfied by doing that. So, you know,
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Speaker 6: they have their they have their offer on the table,
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Speaker 6: the Iranians, and it's kind of up to Trump to
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Speaker 6: either take it or go back to war.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, hard to imagine him holding the l but he
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Speaker 2: seems to be kind of stalling.
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Speaker 6: Instead, and so we forget about Iran.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. My theory is that he's trying right now to
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Speaker 4: wait out.
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Speaker 8: He knows he's in a bad situation where he can
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Speaker 8: either try and make a deal that his side is
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Speaker 8: not going to accept his Mark Levin, mark Tiessen Netagnahu's
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Speaker 8: side is not going to accept or he can escalate,
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Speaker 8: which he knows is going to make his poll numbers worse.
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Speaker 8: It's going to be even worse for inflation and gas
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Speaker 8: prices heading into the heating up of the midterm season,
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Speaker 8: and so he's hoping that something happens internally. There are
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Speaker 8: always rumors that the government is just on the precipice.
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Speaker 8: But I think he is hoping that the government will
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Speaker 8: be the regime will finally face a real threat. And
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Speaker 8: it sounds like pie AND's guy to us, of course,
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Speaker 8: But again I'm just trying to say why I think
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Speaker 8: he's been You know, he doesn't.
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Speaker 4: Have any good option.
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Speaker 8: We understand that, but I think that's where he's in
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Speaker 8: this holding pattern. Is he's just hoping that there's some
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Speaker 8: type of black swan event or the government falls, which
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Speaker 8: is something you still hear from iron hawks that it's possible,
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Speaker 8: and he's just he's holding out until something changes or
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Speaker 8: his hand is absolutely forced. But yeah, that's that's the strategies.
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Speaker 8: That's my best guess at the President of the United
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Speaker 8: States strategy. And I just wanted to put up this
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Speaker 8: chart of Pentagon. This is the Pentagon budget since nineteen
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Speaker 8: forty eight. You'll just notice something you have to look
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Speaker 8: really hard to see it, but basically it always goes up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that one downturn, wasn't that from what was the
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Speaker 2: sequestration under the Obama administration?
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Speaker 6: Yeah? Is that what it's crazy about? This?
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Speaker 3: This graph is I mean the one point five trillion,
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Speaker 3: I mean it would be almost you know double right?
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Speaker 6: You know what the graph is right here?
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Speaker 8: Right?
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Speaker 4: Yes, is from.
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Speaker 2: There if inflation adjusted to twenty twenty one is what
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Speaker 2: it looks like. But still, yes, Ryan, the point you
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Speaker 2: made about the Axios reports being a leading indicator, it
13:00
Speaker 2: brings to mind. I'm reading Ender's Game with my son
13:02
Speaker 2: right now, and there's a line in there where he says,
13:04
Speaker 2: sometimes the lies are more dependable than the more dependable
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Speaker 2: than the truth. You can tell more so based on
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Speaker 2: the reliable lies than you can based on the supposed truth.
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Speaker 2: And that may well be the case here. But Macwell,
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Speaker 2: Trump's political prospects here in the US seems to be
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Speaker 2: faltering or basically dead. He has identified another potential political
13:24
Speaker 2: opportunity for himself that I think does make some sense.
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Speaker 5: Do you want to go ahead and play this for us?
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Speaker 4: A great guy?
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Speaker 9: To me, he's a great guy.
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Speaker 6: Don't forget he was a wartime prime minister, and he's
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Speaker 6: not treated right in Israel.
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Speaker 8: In my opinion, I'm.
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Speaker 10: Right now at ninety nine percent in Israel, I could
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Speaker 10: run for prime So maybe after I do this, I'll
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Speaker 10: go to Israel run for prime minister.
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Speaker 5: Look, he's had worse ideas.
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Speaker 6: I think he should do it.
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Speaker 5: There's a logic to it.
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Speaker 3: It's kind of making the unofficial official. At this point,
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Speaker 3: they should just officially swap places.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 2: You know how he's always share like cat tured Twitter polls.
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Speaker 2: This is the new version of the cattered Twitter poll, Like, well,
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Speaker 2: everybody hates me here, but you should see how popular
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Speaker 2: I am and I'm in ninety nine percent and Israel.
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Speaker 3: Well, to be fair, I mean, his approval reigning in
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Speaker 3: Israel has to be significantly higher than it is in
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Speaker 3: the US.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh, no doubt about it. They do love him there.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, they had the Trump Heights.
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Speaker 8: He could go, didn't. They rename part of the goal
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Speaker 8: on heights the Trump Heights. I think they've renamed streets
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Speaker 8: after him.
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Speaker 4: It's his fantasy.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he'd be closer to all his friends in Dubai
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Speaker 6: and Doha and Riodd.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he has the same esthetic sensibility as those friends
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Speaker 2: in those places.
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Speaker 5: So it's it's a perfect fit.
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Speaker 2: Really. I mean, I think he should really pursue this
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Speaker 2: sooner rather than later, to be honest with you.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it can be Yeah, it can be like
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Speaker 6: a regal dynasty, you know, Donald Trump Junior can take
14:50
Speaker 6: over maybe Baron they can battle it out.
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure that Trump would choose Don Junior to succeed, and.
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Speaker 6: I think that he'd make them fight. His wedding.
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Speaker 2: Really planning on attending his son's wedding this weekend. Apparently,
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Speaker 2: should we.
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Speaker 3: Should we throw up this this clip here real quick?
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump asked whether or not he's going to be
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Speaker 3: attending his own son's wedding. Here was his passionate and
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Speaker 3: inspired response.
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Speaker 8: Look at that guy behind him too.
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Speaker 10: He'd like me to go, But it's going to be
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Speaker 10: just a small, little private affair, and I'm going to
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Speaker 10: try and make it. I'm in the midst, I said,
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Speaker 10: you know, this is not good timing for me. I
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Speaker 10: haven't ran and other things. Uh, that's what I can't
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Speaker 10: win on. If I do attend, I get killed. If
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Speaker 10: I don't attend, I get killed. By the frank News
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Speaker 10: of course I'm.
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Speaker 6: Talking about Okay, so I mean, just amazing what about
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Speaker 6: the he's somebody I've known a very long time or something.
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Speaker 8: I think he was talking about the fiance, but it
15:54
Speaker 8: is hard to tell.
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Speaker 4: It does sound like he's saying.
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Speaker 3: Well, what's amazing about it is that the Coke that
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Speaker 3: I saw was like, oh, well, the guest list is like,
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Speaker 3: you know, really small, just like immediate family and friends,
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Speaker 3: and if Trump came that it would become this whole
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Speaker 3: like public media affair. But then in Trump's explanation of
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Speaker 3: why he's not going, He's kind of like, I'm just
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Speaker 3: kind of busy, like I got I got ship.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Don's before the concept that anyone would criticize him for
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Speaker 2: going to his own son's wedding, Like, dude, you golf
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Speaker 2: like every other day, you're seemingly never doing any or
16:30
Speaker 2: you're like touring the ballroom and.
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Speaker 5: Obsessing over the details.
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Speaker 2: There the idea that, like, you know, we would pick
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Speaker 2: on you for going to your son's wedding. I don't
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Speaker 2: think that's the biggest reputational risk that you saw.
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Speaker 6: Do We all remember, though, what what Trump was doing
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Speaker 6: as he was being born. As Don was being born
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Speaker 6: oh no, Don never mind.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, an affair with Stormy Daniels.
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Speaker 5: Since that what you're referring to.
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Speaker 4: To Christal point the chiron.
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Speaker 8: While he was making this comment about getting killed by
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Speaker 8: the fake news if he goes to Don's wedding, was
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Speaker 8: about his arch.
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Speaker 4: He was talking about his art.
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Speaker 2: Go stay focused, Emily. He's a little busy right now.
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Speaker 2: It's not a great time, sorry, Don Junior. Next wedding.
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Speaker 6: I got the drapes are coming in for the ballroom.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm just swamped here, guys.
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Speaker 6: If you if you have the wrong drapes, it doesn't
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Speaker 6: really bring the place together in the same way. It's
17:27
Speaker 6: very important.
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Speaker 2: You can't you kiss and not the kind of thing
17:30
Speaker 2: you can outsource. You know, you've you've got a certain vision,
17:33
Speaker 2: You've got an I for it. He's got to be
17:35
Speaker 2: there to evaluate the samples that are being brought in.
17:38
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe next wedding, Don Junior. Sorry, all right.
17:45
Speaker 3: Shall we move on to the DNC autopsy here, guys? Yes, okay,
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Speaker 3: So I'll go ahead and put up this Politico report
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Speaker 3: on the screen if they will let me hear. The
17:56
Speaker 3: report is so stupid. The DNC for autopsy is roiling Democrats.
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Speaker 3: So this has been kind of an amazing saga. They
18:05
Speaker 3: tried to cover up this report, and there was lots
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Speaker 3: of speculation for months as to why they weren't releasing it.
18:11
Speaker 3: Some people thought, you know, maybe it was you know,
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Speaker 3: not going to touch on certain things. Some people thought
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Speaker 3: it was just a bad turns out that this thing
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Speaker 3: Number one may have been semi AI generated. It doesn't
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Speaker 3: talk about like probably like three out of the five
18:27
Speaker 3: major issues going in to this election. I mean, it
18:30
Speaker 3: was a complete and total pile of garbage from top
18:34
Speaker 3: to bottom.
18:35
Speaker 6: What do you guys make of this report?
18:36
Speaker 2: I like to call it the DNC slop topsy See
18:40
Speaker 2: what I did there? Yeah, I mean it's like it's
18:42
Speaker 2: funny because there actually were some rumors floating around of
18:47
Speaker 2: people saying that, like, you know, actually the reason they
18:49
Speaker 2: didn't put it out is just because it was really
18:51
Speaker 2: embarrassingly poorly done. I kind of thought that was cope,
18:55
Speaker 2: you know, I was like, Eh, it's probably they probably
18:57
Speaker 2: just are embarrassed by some of the things in Ryan's theory,
19:01
Speaker 2: which I thought was good was that it would expose
19:03
Speaker 2: the way that all of these various high priced consultants
19:06
Speaker 2: completely failed at their jobs, might name names there in
19:08
Speaker 2: a way that will keep them from getting further lucrative contracts.
19:12
Speaker 2: But actually it was just really that embarrassingly bad. You
19:17
Speaker 2: get to the bottom and it's like insert conclusion here,
19:20
Speaker 2: like they didn't even you know, they didn't even get
19:23
Speaker 2: to the ending. It's definitely AI generated. Some of the
19:28
Speaker 2: quotes are the most you know, AI slot, and I
19:31
Speaker 2: think it was like an it seems like an older
19:33
Speaker 2: version of AI two that doesn't even more poorly veiled,
19:37
Speaker 2: you know, where it's so obvious that this wasn't a
19:39
Speaker 2: human and it's just a bunch of consultants be gobbledegook.
19:43
Speaker 2: But to your point, doesn't even mention the word gaza
19:47
Speaker 2: or genocide, doesn't talk about inflation, doesn't talk about advanced age,
19:53
Speaker 2: like these are kind of you know, these were big
19:56
Speaker 2: things that are swirling around. So apparently, you know, the
20:00
Speaker 2: head of the DNC, Ken Martin, who's under justifiably under
20:03
Speaker 2: a lot of fire right now, although I don't know,
20:04
Speaker 2: he seems like a pretty good emblem of the current
20:06
Speaker 2: democratic parties. It's curly constituted in my opinion. But in case,
20:10
Speaker 2: apparently hired some guy who's like a friend of his.
20:13
Speaker 2: He did it, you know, using only from me the DNC.
20:18
Speaker 6: The guy that he hired.
20:18
Speaker 3: He was like still within the DNC operating into there
20:21
Speaker 3: a couple of days.
20:22
Speaker 2: Ago, right, And so they and then the way that
20:25
Speaker 2: they handled this whole thing though was, first of all,
20:28
Speaker 2: obviously you didn't take seriously that you needed to learn
20:31
Speaker 2: lessons from this devastating electoral loss, insane that you decided
20:35
Speaker 2: to do this as this like side project for one
20:37
Speaker 2: of your incompetent friends, insane to begin with.
20:40
Speaker 5: Then this the original promise was, of course we're going to.
20:43
Speaker 2: Release this, because why else would you do it if
20:45
Speaker 2: you're not going to release it. Then suddenly we start
20:48
Speaker 2: getting this like, well we just need to look forward.
20:49
Speaker 4: We're not going to talk.
20:50
Speaker 5: About this anymore.
20:51
Speaker 2: That of course creates a strising d effect where everyone's like,
20:54
Speaker 2: all right, well, what is in this report? So you
20:56
Speaker 2: draw more attention to it, and then at the end
20:59
Speaker 2: of the day you put on this thing that is
21:01
Speaker 2: just complete embarrassment to everybody involved. So it is pretty
21:07
Speaker 2: stunning indictment of you've got the disastrous pr you've got
21:12
Speaker 2: the thorough incompetence, and you have an avoidance of any
21:16
Speaker 2: of the stickier and more difficult issues from the current
21:20
Speaker 2: Democratic Party and from the past election. So it is
21:23
Speaker 2: kind of a perfect symbol of all the ways that
21:25
Speaker 2: they fail.
21:27
Speaker 3: Well, we do have some counterpoints here from the same
21:29
Speaker 3: Politico piece that I thought were kind of amazing. Here
21:32
Speaker 3: we get a quote from the Centrist Welcome Pack saying
21:36
Speaker 3: Ken Martin's autopsy of the autopsy was excellent. After spending
21:41
Speaker 3: a decade accepting all edits from every progressive interest group,
21:44
Speaker 3: better to just delete all DNC strategy docs and admit
21:47
Speaker 3: we need to start from scratch. Admitting incompetence is much
21:50
Speaker 3: better than denial. So we have praise of Ken Martin's
21:53
Speaker 3: autopsy of the autopsy. We also have Third Way Jonathan
21:56
Speaker 3: Cohen here, the president of the group, saying, I think
22:00
Speaker 3: it's clear why this report was buried because, as it
22:02
Speaker 3: says in the opening, it calls for Democrats to return
22:05
Speaker 3: to the vital center. Now I understand why a lot
22:07
Speaker 3: of very Twitter friendly, super liberal DNC staff didn't want
22:12
Speaker 3: this to come out. So we have all of these
22:14
Speaker 3: centrist you know, organizations coming out and saying the report,
22:18
Speaker 3: of course proves all of their priors.
22:22
Speaker 6: Yeah, and people I would suggest if people have time
22:25
Speaker 6: and the weekend just just to look at it for fun,
22:29
Speaker 6: they're just it has these and somebody mentioned that it
22:31
Speaker 6: has all these little red boxes that are like added
22:34
Speaker 6: by like the DNC afterwards. Partly, I think sometimes for
22:38
Speaker 6: like defamation reasons, where it's like, we don't stand by this, like,
22:43
Speaker 6: for instance, for the twenty twenty two cycle, the Guy
22:46
Speaker 6: Rights Democrats netted two seats in the House, flipping ten
22:49
Speaker 6: seats from the Republicans while losing eight, and then there's
22:53
Speaker 6: a red box that says data appears to be inaccurate
22:56
Speaker 6: and contradict public reporting, like they didn't even accurately basically
23:00
Speaker 6: convey the number of seats that were won and lost.
23:03
Speaker 2: Yes, and the other day basic facts like I think
23:06
Speaker 2: they got wrong, like when John Bayner left. I mean,
23:08
Speaker 2: there were all kinds of things that were just flat
23:10
Speaker 2: out wrong that no one bothered to check. But I
23:13
Speaker 2: wanted to give an example. I pulled up one of
23:14
Speaker 2: the examples of this sort of like AI slop slash
23:17
Speaker 2: consultant speak, writing here.
23:19
Speaker 8: It's hard to build a difference between AI and consultant
23:22
Speaker 8: speak too.
23:22
Speaker 5: That is true, that is fair.
23:24
Speaker 2: I think AI is like trained on consultants speak basically,
23:27
Speaker 2: but anyway, building to win requires new thinking, and building
23:31
Speaker 2: to last requires thinking about more than the next election.
23:34
Speaker 2: It requires finding the best way to connect with the
23:36
Speaker 2: right voters in the right places. And if twenty twenty
23:38
Speaker 2: four has proven anything, there is enough money to do
23:41
Speaker 2: it all the right way.
23:42
Speaker 5: Oh that's good, insightful thoughts.
23:45
Speaker 4: There wasn't you know there wasn't enough money? This was
23:47
Speaker 4: I thought.
23:47
Speaker 8: The most interesting part was Martin in his sub stack
23:51
Speaker 8: post where he dropped this report into a PDF, he said,
23:57
Speaker 8: uh that no source material was provided because of that fixing.
24:01
Speaker 8: It would have meant starting over from the beginning, every conversation,
24:05
Speaker 8: every interview, every data set, and you just hear a sentence.
24:10
Speaker 4: Like that and you think, okay, then do it.
24:13
Speaker 8: You're the DNC, you're supposed to be, you have vast resources,
24:17
Speaker 8: you're supposed to be figuring out what the hell went wrong?
24:20
Speaker 4: And you were saying, oh, well, we just.
24:22
Speaker 8: Couldn't restart the process that my friend who I'm throwing
24:26
Speaker 8: under the bus apparently botched.
24:29
Speaker 4: We just had to shelve it and then everyone went crazy.
24:33
Speaker 4: My mistake. But we simply could not have produced an autopsy.
24:37
Speaker 4: It would have been too labor intensive, like what an
24:40
Speaker 4: insane excuse to put into your sub sect posts unveiling
24:45
Speaker 4: this autopsy presumably language that was looked at by other
24:49
Speaker 4: people at the DNC and they were like, yes, go
24:51
Speaker 4: with that. This is the best possible excuse. The DNC
24:54
Speaker 4: simply lacked the resources to do a real autopsy.
24:57
Speaker 2: Well, and it also, I mean, obviously the whole thing
25:00
Speaker 2: is a disaster top to bottom, and the way it
25:02
Speaker 2: was handled was a complete disaster. If the product was
25:05
Speaker 2: initially not good and that was the truth of the matter,
25:07
Speaker 2: he could have been candid about that from the beginning
25:09
Speaker 2: of like we you know, we were not satisfied with
25:12
Speaker 2: the initial product. That would probably also have created a
25:16
Speaker 2: lot of conspiracies of like, oh, you didn't like the
25:18
Speaker 2: answers you got. That's certainly what I would have thought
25:20
Speaker 2: initially if they were hiding the initial product. But he
25:22
Speaker 2: could have said, look, we got an initial product. It
25:24
Speaker 2: wasn't good enough. You know, we're going back and recircle.
25:28
Speaker 2: It's going to take a little bit more time, but
25:30
Speaker 2: we're going to put on something that we you know,
25:32
Speaker 2: can stand behind because it contained basic factual errors, lacked
25:36
Speaker 2: the sourcing documentation.
25:37
Speaker 5: Blah blah blah. Still not ideal.
25:39
Speaker 2: Right, ideally you just hire someone competent and transparent and
25:44
Speaker 2: spend the money in the time to actually learn something
25:47
Speaker 2: useful out of all of this. But what a complete circus,
25:51
Speaker 2: what an absolute shit show at this point, no lessons learned.
25:55
Speaker 8: Well, let's just add on a sort of a news
25:57
Speaker 8: basis quickly. There are no people calling understandably, like I've
26:01
Speaker 8: seen the pod, save guys teeing off on Ken Martin.
26:03
Speaker 8: It's entirely possible that he loses his job over the
26:06
Speaker 8: some of the speculations that they were actually floating in
26:09
Speaker 8: playbook this morning, John Tester. They called John Tester and
26:13
Speaker 8: he said something like, are you on illegal substances? John
26:16
Speaker 8: Tester does not want this job from Montana, apparently, but
26:20
Speaker 8: they're already looking to get Martin out.
26:23
Speaker 4: Some people are, at least, but others are.
26:25
Speaker 8: Defending him and saying he did the best, that he
26:27
Speaker 8: good with what he was the hand that he was dealt.
26:30
Speaker 4: He dealt this hand.
26:31
Speaker 6: So that's all. This though, really is a sideshow because
26:34
Speaker 6: the DNC is kind of a useless institution. Beyond setting
26:39
Speaker 6: the calendar dates and choosing the states that are going
26:43
Speaker 6: to lay out the next presidential election. That's essential, and
26:49
Speaker 6: the kind of party insiders who want to keep out
26:52
Speaker 6: like the Bernie Wing, they want to keep it to
26:56
Speaker 6: places like Iowa and South Carolina that aren't competitive in
26:59
Speaker 6: the general election and you know, don't and are not
27:03
Speaker 6: right places for left candidates to win, whereas a more
27:09
Speaker 6: national like Super Tuesday approach is better probably for progressive candidates.
27:14
Speaker 6: So that and Ken Martin actually seems to be kind
27:17
Speaker 6: of good on that, so we'll see. I don't know, like,
27:22
Speaker 6: but he clearly what a disaster.
27:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, just complete cluster on every single level. Incredible.
27:32
Speaker 3: All right, So now we move on to the the
27:34
Speaker 3: epic of John Fetterman and his apparent alleged Israel handler
27:39
Speaker 3: behind the scenes. So I'm gonna go ahead and throw
27:41
Speaker 3: up this this write up here from New York mag
27:45
Speaker 3: Isn't it right? Their headline is the man who explains
27:49
Speaker 3: Israel to John Fetterman. How a little known writer became
27:52
Speaker 3: one of the senators closest confidants. So this is genuinely
27:57
Speaker 3: one of the most insane stories that I've read, basically
28:00
Speaker 3: at outlines how like, and obviously John Fetterman had the
28:03
Speaker 3: stroke and we all saw like this drastic political change
28:06
Speaker 3: after that. But it's gotten to the point where Israel
28:09
Speaker 3: is basically all that he talks about. It's all that
28:13
Speaker 3: he cares about. And apparently this guy David Sophir is
28:17
Speaker 3: his closest confidant, has set up calls with Benjamin Netanyahu,
28:22
Speaker 3: went with him on his trip to Israel, and is
28:25
Speaker 3: sort of guiding his immorality on this topic in a
28:30
Speaker 3: deeply throw way, to the point where the rest of
28:32
Speaker 3: the staffers on John Fetterman's staff are just like confused
28:37
Speaker 3: and blown away and disturbed by the relationship. He also
28:41
Speaker 3: has a sort of an unidentified background, this guy Sophia.
28:45
Speaker 3: I'll just read a little bit from the article. He
28:47
Speaker 3: describes himself publicly only as a quote business professional, and
28:52
Speaker 3: his employers and occupations on political donation forms have been ambiguous,
28:57
Speaker 3: including n slash, a consultant, self employed. David has never
29:03
Speaker 3: really been forthcoming about what he does. A person close
29:06
Speaker 3: to Fetterman says, it's always like I'm in wealth management
29:10
Speaker 3: or something. So what is going on here?
29:13
Speaker 6: Guys?
29:14
Speaker 2: Well, and the family has a lot of his grandfather
29:17
Speaker 2: was very influential, like pro Israel lobbyist and obviously.
29:22
Speaker 6: Ladies in the nineties.
29:24
Speaker 2: Appears to be very well connected. I want to let
29:27
Speaker 2: me read a piece here just about the relationship so
29:30
Speaker 2: people can really get a sense of what we're talking about.
29:33
Speaker 2: And of course the context here is that Fetterman has
29:35
Speaker 2: completely changed politically from when he got elected. You know,
29:38
Speaker 2: it seems like the stroke genuinely did not only damage
29:41
Speaker 2: his brain, changed his personality. And this is based on
29:44
Speaker 2: some other reporting by the way, from New York Magazine,
29:46
Speaker 2: changed his political positions.
29:47
Speaker 7: Now.
29:47
Speaker 2: He's obsessed with defending Israel, constantly loves going on Fox
29:52
Speaker 2: News or whatever their issue dou jors and taking their
29:54
Speaker 2: side and being like the self hating democrat in any case,
29:58
Speaker 2: He's lost a ton of his staffers, you know, they've
30:01
Speaker 2: all basically abandoned ship. He just lost his chief of
30:04
Speaker 2: staff in the past week or so.
30:06
Speaker 5: So who's filled in the gaps? That leaves this huge.
30:09
Speaker 2: Vacuum for apparently this character to come in and fill
30:13
Speaker 2: in the gaps. So it says here Sophiar, a writer
30:16
Speaker 2: of Jewish history and fundraiser for Orthodox Causes, has no
30:20
Speaker 2: public background in government or counseling politicians on Capitol Hill.
30:24
Speaker 2: He is not an official staffer or paid outside advisor.
30:27
Speaker 2: A few years ago, he quote just kind of appeared
30:30
Speaker 2: in the Senator's orbit, one former Fetterman's staffer remembers, and
30:34
Speaker 2: then suddenly he seemed to be everywhere. Staffers would walk
30:37
Speaker 2: into Fetterman's office only to find Sofia sitting in the room.
30:40
Speaker 2: When the Senator went to Israel in twenty twenty five,
30:43
Speaker 2: sofar joined him on the trip. When Fetterman filmed real
30:45
Speaker 2: time with Bill Maher, so if you're met up with
30:47
Speaker 2: him in La, the two are constantly texting and talking.
30:50
Speaker 2: According to multiple former Fetterman staffers, and Sofiir has unofficially
30:54
Speaker 2: operated as a top campaign fundraiser and senior advisor. He's
30:58
Speaker 2: even set up an attended sensitive meetings with foreign officials.
31:02
Speaker 2: He has in some cases he's the only person staffing
31:07
Speaker 2: those meetings. I've been told They give an example here.
31:10
Speaker 2: In September twenty twenty five, Fetterman and some of his
31:12
Speaker 2: senior staffords gathered at the Center's office for a meeting
31:14
Speaker 2: with Yahil later the Israeli Ambassador to the United States.
31:18
Speaker 2: According to one of the staffers and attendants, Sofir was
31:21
Speaker 2: inexplicably in the room too far from a public event.
31:24
Speaker 2: During the meeting, Feedterman tested on a proposal to force
31:27
Speaker 2: every senor to vote on whether they think Israel's committing genocide,
31:30
Speaker 2: and Gaza support that. Actually they should go ahead and
31:32
Speaker 2: do that anyway, It says they they gossip freely, and
31:36
Speaker 2: Sophia has been on these calls with foreign leaders, on
31:39
Speaker 2: the calls with net and Yahoo going.
31:41
Speaker 5: To Israel with him.
31:42
Speaker 2: He is de facto one of Fetterman's closest advisors, even
31:47
Speaker 2: though he's, you know, not an official advisor. We don't
31:50
Speaker 2: know where he came from. He apparently just suddenly appeared
31:54
Speaker 2: in the orbit. And then I also wanted to share
31:56
Speaker 2: this other part because this ties together with you know,
31:58
Speaker 2: what Fetterman's mental capacity city is. At this point, some
32:01
Speaker 2: of the Fetterman staffers were sharing with New York Magazine,
32:04
Speaker 2: the former staffers some of the text exchanges and the
32:07
Speaker 2: ways that Betterman was constantly signing with Republicans. Here's one
32:11
Speaker 2: of the examples that they give here word for word.
32:15
Speaker 2: By early this year, many on Fetterman staff were incredulous
32:17
Speaker 2: and exhausted in private. Their boss was acting like a Republican,
32:21
Speaker 2: they say. In January twenty twenty six, Fetterman said to
32:24
Speaker 2: a group chat with staffers a screenshot of an article
32:27
Speaker 2: headline about how the average working family spends nearly four
32:30
Speaker 2: thousand dollars annually on healthcare. He texted, quote, how should
32:36
Speaker 2: it cost? Question mark?
32:38
Speaker 5: Free? Question mark?
32:39
Speaker 2: He complained in the text, which I obtained, quote, I
32:42
Speaker 2: don't understand what affordability it is. So we've got this
32:50
Speaker 2: a brain damaged man who doesn't understand what affordability it is,
32:55
Speaker 2: who is now enthralled to this Israel connected, you know,
32:59
Speaker 2: obsessed Zion as he's turning up just up here from nowhere,
33:02
Speaker 2: and it's turning up at all these meetings and everything,
33:05
Speaker 2: like what the hell is going on here?
33:07
Speaker 3: He also apparently texted a different staffer that Epstein was
33:11
Speaker 3: a nothing burger. The worst picks that I've seen were
33:13
Speaker 3: from Clinton.
33:14
Speaker 6: Lol.
33:16
Speaker 4: It doesn't he's listen.
33:19
Speaker 8: The media was so complicit in pretending that Fetterman was
33:24
Speaker 8: fine until I think it was like an NBC interview
33:27
Speaker 8: towards the end of the race. That's how bad of
33:29
Speaker 8: a candidate Manette Oz was for Pennsylvania Senate. Just to
33:33
Speaker 8: be clear that John Fetterman, after his strokes, still beat.
33:37
Speaker 2: Doctor Oz had a debate remember yes, yes, so bad.
33:41
Speaker 8: Yes, And the debate was after early voting had started.
33:45
Speaker 8: It was a complete disaster. He is he should not
33:48
Speaker 8: be in the Senate. He is not well enough to
33:50
Speaker 8: be in the Senate. And part of the reason why
33:52
Speaker 8: we're now seeing is that people are taking advantage of him.
33:55
Speaker 4: You're taking advantage of his disability.
33:57
Speaker 8: It seems it's a very uncomfortable thing to say, but
33:59
Speaker 8: it seems very clear that he's been going through these
34:01
Speaker 8: depressive episodes. He's been open about that, and people who
34:04
Speaker 8: are kind to him in his like vulnerable state are
34:09
Speaker 8: getting a ton of credibility on political advisory questions with
34:13
Speaker 8: the senator. I think it's a like I don't think
34:15
Speaker 8: that's a Freudian read. I think it's a pretty clear
34:18
Speaker 8: read of what's been happening. That people are insinuating themselves
34:21
Speaker 8: into his circle because he's sort of vulnerable and easily manipulated.
34:25
Speaker 8: He is not operating at full capacity. You should not
34:28
Speaker 8: be in the US Senate. That is completely obvious. And
34:33
Speaker 8: anyway he continues to get a pass now from the right.
34:37
Speaker 3: I think I agree with you to some extent emily
34:39
Speaker 3: that he's being taken advantage of He clearly mentally is
34:41
Speaker 3: not there. He needs to be removed from the Senate.
34:43
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I don't want to take
34:45
Speaker 3: away like all accountability from Fetterman, because you know, if
34:49
Speaker 3: you're going through these mental health struggles and stuff like,
34:51
Speaker 3: it doesn't really help to make your sole focus in
34:54
Speaker 3: the Senate defending a genocidal rogue state and making that
34:59
Speaker 3: your entire her personality and making sure that you're flipping
35:02
Speaker 3: on all these previous progressive positions and the entire party
35:05
Speaker 3: now despises you. I mean, it's like you could help
35:08
Speaker 3: yourself out a little bit on that front.
35:11
Speaker 4: Certainly.
35:12
Speaker 6: Yeah, he seems to have a kind of visceral contempt
35:15
Speaker 6: for his party at this point, which shows up in
35:18
Speaker 6: those text messages too. And there was you know, as
35:23
Speaker 6: Cryssel mentioned, his chief of staff is third chief of
35:25
Speaker 6: staff just quit. Holly Otter, being the Axios reporter who
35:30
Speaker 6: broke that story, had reached out to Fetterman for comment.
35:33
Speaker 6: He didn't get back initially and then afterwards after publication,
35:37
Speaker 6: as she writes this story, he wrote back, you know
35:41
Speaker 6: so much for the turnover argument clicks and like sent
35:45
Speaker 6: her like a screenshot of like you know that Josh
35:47
Speaker 6: Gottenheimer and some other people have like higher turnover. It's like, yeah, okay,
35:51
Speaker 6: you're not like the worst of five hundred and thirty five,
35:54
Speaker 6: but like it's really bad. Oh Godheimer is like consistently
36:00
Speaker 6: number one for staff turnover, like I thought it.
36:03
Speaker 4: Was Clo clob Art, was Kamala Harris for a while.
36:06
Speaker 6: A lot nobody goes through staff faster than Gotthheimer. I
36:09
Speaker 6: don't think.
36:11
Speaker 2: I appreciate him breaking that stereotype that it's the female
36:15
Speaker 2: senators who have the high turn now, thank you, yes,
36:17
Speaker 2: sweet good like women.
36:20
Speaker 8: He is also mentally okay, sorry, there was there was
36:27
Speaker 8: one more piece of this that I wanted to read
36:28
Speaker 8: real quick.
36:30
Speaker 6: So they say in the piece that, uh.
36:32
Speaker 3: When he's on Capitol Hill, this guy Sofia will hang
36:35
Speaker 3: out and sit in Fetterman's office all day or walk
36:37
Speaker 3: with him to the Senate floor. According to a former staffer,
36:40
Speaker 3: after their conversations, Fetterman would appear far more radicalized and
36:43
Speaker 3: guessing specifically on Israel. Fetterman has largely sidetracked other legislative matters,
36:48
Speaker 3: according to the staffer, and is now spending most of
36:51
Speaker 3: his time focusing on Israel. A few people working for
36:53
Speaker 3: Fetterman have begun to joke that he is the senator
36:56
Speaker 3: from Tel Aviv and call Sophia the chief because he's
36:59
Speaker 3: apparently more powerful then the actual chief of staff. So
37:02
Speaker 3: maybe Fetterman has a future there.
37:09
Speaker 6: Although it's probably true that his approval rating in Tel
37:13
Speaker 6: Aviv is probably higher than Philadelphia, or certainly he won't go.
37:18
Speaker 6: Love McCormack, actually, the other the Republican centator from Pennsylvania,
37:23
Speaker 6: recently went to Philadelphia as kind of just a try,
37:26
Speaker 6: just a taunt Fetterman. You had, like Republicans usually don't
37:31
Speaker 6: bother going to Philadelphi because there's no votes there for them,
37:34
Speaker 6: but he went there. He hung out with the mayor,
37:35
Speaker 6: he had cheese steak, did put out a video about it.
37:38
Speaker 6: Partly it was the taunt Fetterman who just refuses to
37:41
Speaker 6: go to Philadelphia, the biggest city in the state.
37:44
Speaker 2: I thought that McCormick and Fetterman were buddies, though I
37:48
Speaker 2: thought he and Katie. One of the reports was that
37:50
Speaker 2: he and Katie Britt were basically like cultivating Fetterman again,
37:56
Speaker 2: taking advantage of his like declined mental state, hoping that
38:00
Speaker 2: he'll switch to the Republican side. Now, this article, and
38:04
Speaker 2: I kind of buy this, says that they don't think
38:06
Speaker 2: that he'll switch to being a Republican because he relishes
38:09
Speaker 2: being like the you know, pissing in the punch bowl
38:12
Speaker 2: of the Democrats basically, and if they take control of
38:15
Speaker 2: the Senate, then he can play the role of a
38:17
Speaker 2: mansion or a cinema only perhaps even more malevolently and
38:21
Speaker 2: certainly less you know, with less savvy, but where they
38:25
Speaker 2: all have to come and oh, what do you need
38:27
Speaker 2: John Fetterman to vote for this bill or that bill, etc.
38:29
Speaker 2: In order for Democrats to get anything through. Now, come
38:32
Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight, when his term is up, like, I
38:35
Speaker 2: can't see any political he is definitely going to lose
38:39
Speaker 2: a Democratic primary. I think he'd lose a Republican primary,
38:42
Speaker 2: because it's one thing when you're the Democrat who's like
38:45
Speaker 2: saying the thing that Republicans won, But once you're actually
38:47
Speaker 2: a Republican then it's like, okay, but you have all
38:50
Speaker 2: these other positions that don't square with the party, and
38:52
Speaker 2: we want our own like you know, ideological maga person
38:56
Speaker 2: to represent us.
38:58
Speaker 5: So I don't know that that's a viable path for him.
39:01
Speaker 2: Hard to imagine him holding up in any sort of
39:04
Speaker 2: debate or public forum.
39:05
Speaker 5: Certainly, so I don't know.
39:08
Speaker 2: I don't see much political future for him, but just
39:10
Speaker 2: in another sign of how his brain is complete mush
39:14
Speaker 2: at this point. According to these former staffers, he's thinking
39:16
Speaker 2: of running for president in twenty twenty eight, and he
39:20
Speaker 2: thinks that maybe the right path is somebody will put
39:23
Speaker 2: him on their ticket, Democratic ticket as the vice presidential camp.
39:27
Speaker 6: Incredible, Like, dude.
39:29
Speaker 2: Everybody hates you, like you've destroyed your political brand. There's
39:32
Speaker 2: no chance not to mention. How are you not self
39:34
Speaker 2: aware about your limitations at this point? So just clearly
39:38
Speaker 2: really wild stuff.
39:42
Speaker 8: It's great, like this is what people are chirping in
39:45
Speaker 8: his ear and puffing him up because he's detached from reality.
39:49
Speaker 4: He clearly is.
39:50
Speaker 8: Like and that's common in the Senate actually, but on
39:54
Speaker 8: he I think lacks the capacity to fully grasp what's
39:59
Speaker 8: happening around him.
40:00
Speaker 4: And that's really sad.
40:01
Speaker 8: His story to me is very very sad, the things
40:03
Speaker 8: that he's talked about with his marriage and his depression,
40:06
Speaker 8: let alone how difficult it has been to just function neurologically.
40:10
Speaker 8: It's very very sad. And the people of Pennsylvania deserve better.
40:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I admire.
40:18
Speaker 5: Your ability to have that compassion.
40:19
Speaker 2: I do not feel that in my heart, but I
40:21
Speaker 2: could if he were to resign his seat and say
40:24
Speaker 2: I'm going to go get help and treatment for my
40:27
Speaker 2: current condition and not subject to the rest of us
40:30
Speaker 2: to his absolute insanity.
40:32
Speaker 8: And yeah, we're excited to be joined once again by Chopra,
40:36
Speaker 8: who is the incoming Secretary of Business and Consumer in California.
40:41
Speaker 8: We have a new FED chair being sworn in today,
40:44
Speaker 8: Kevin Worsh and we're excited to have you here for
40:47
Speaker 8: some analysis.
40:48
Speaker 4: Thanks for coming back on the.
40:49
Speaker 6: Show, Thanks for having me.
40:52
Speaker 4: Well, let's start.
40:53
Speaker 8: By wading into this debate about how independent the FED
40:56
Speaker 8: actually is, because that was really the debate swirling around
40:59
Speaker 8: Warsh not just at his confirmation hearing, but out of
41:02
Speaker 8: his confirmation hearing. Trump ended up dropping the investigation into j.
41:07
Speaker 8: Powell over the construction at the Treasury. And it's just
41:13
Speaker 8: been this example of Trump trying to exert his sort
41:17
Speaker 8: of personal touch in a way that obviously specks of corruption,
41:22
Speaker 8: to exert his influence in another area that has long
41:26
Speaker 8: been held up in DC circles as independent and so precious.
41:30
Speaker 8: Its independence is so precious. But I think you can
41:33
Speaker 8: probably help us understand the extent to which that was
41:36
Speaker 8: actually true. Not from a perspective of saying, hey, Donald Trump,
41:40
Speaker 8: he's got the right idea here, but just it's another
41:43
Speaker 8: one of those cases where he's kind of putting the
41:44
Speaker 8: line to something that probably needed to have some debunking.
41:48
Speaker 7: Anyway, Well, look, we should not have any one person
41:53
Speaker 7: have full and complete control of the money supply to
41:57
Speaker 7: determine who they can reward friends and punish enemies with.
42:03
Speaker 7: But I do think you hear a lot about FED independence,
42:07
Speaker 7: and there's going to be all sorts of people in
42:10
Speaker 7: Washington and Wall Street clutching their pearls that Kevin Walsh
42:15
Speaker 7: is being sworn in at the White House rather than,
42:19
Speaker 7: you know, somewhere else that seemed more corded off from politics.
42:23
Speaker 7: But I think there's lots of people who wonder who
42:26
Speaker 7: has the FED been independent from? And many question was
42:31
Speaker 7: the FED ever really independent from Wall Street and other
42:35
Speaker 7: owners of big financial assets. And just like everyone understands
42:40
Speaker 7: the Supreme Court is a group of nine people that
42:44
Speaker 7: is hyper political, there's real talk about whether the seven
42:49
Speaker 7: people on the FED are really just like them, And
42:53
Speaker 7: I think that does help explain a lot of why
42:57
Speaker 7: the President is drooling to take control and be able
43:01
Speaker 7: to call the shots here.
43:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're moving from a situation where the FED
43:06
Speaker 2: is very independent from the certainly democratic whims of the
43:10
Speaker 2: people will continue to be independent from the democratic whims
43:14
Speaker 2: of the people. But rather than being I guess baholed
43:16
Speaker 2: and directly to Wall Street, it's more to Trump and
43:19
Speaker 2: his Silicon Valley oligarchic allies, is the way I say.
43:23
Speaker 5: And you can tell me if you think that's correct.
43:25
Speaker 2: And obviously Trump has been pushing aggressively for interra straight cuts.
43:28
Speaker 2: I mean that's something that for me for a while
43:31
Speaker 2: has made sense, but maybe less so now with the
43:35
Speaker 2: you know, the combination of the tariffs and then certainly
43:37
Speaker 2: with the Iran war putting upward pressure on prices. I
43:41
Speaker 2: wonder how you see the policy landscape that faces Kevin
43:44
Speaker 2: marshallt as he takes his job.
43:47
Speaker 7: Well, this past week you have seen a real global
43:51
Speaker 7: sell off in the bond market, including of US treasuries,
43:56
Speaker 7: that is going to make it much more expensive for
44:00
Speaker 7: farms and businesses and frankly people who are just dying
44:04
Speaker 7: to figure out how to make the math work to
44:06
Speaker 7: buy a home. Interest rates are going up by normal
44:10
Speaker 7: market forces because they are seeing the price of oil
44:14
Speaker 7: and they are seeing real problems in the global economy.
44:18
Speaker 7: So I don't know if the FED is really going
44:21
Speaker 7: to be able to fix this. Here's what I do know, though,
44:25
Speaker 7: Wall Street is pricing in that somehow they will pull
44:29
Speaker 7: a rabbit out of a hat because the stock market
44:32
Speaker 7: keeps going up and up and up. So at some
44:37
Speaker 7: point you got to wonder when is reality going to
44:40
Speaker 7: set in about the especially about the truth of some
44:43
Speaker 7: of these policies that are obviously pushing prices higher and
44:49
Speaker 7: really making a lot more people struggle and go deeper
44:52
Speaker 7: into debt.
44:54
Speaker 6: Well, you know what's what's going on in the bond
44:56
Speaker 6: market Tuesday? You have these thirty year treasury notes a
45:00
Speaker 6: high of five point one eight or five point one nine.
45:03
Speaker 6: You've got the ten year note closing it on four
45:08
Speaker 6: point seven, which is just absolutely massive. What is so
45:14
Speaker 6: Trump wants to control the FED, but the FED is
45:16
Speaker 6: still kind of hooked into the global economy and, as
45:20
Speaker 6: christ was saying, kind of constrained by reality as well.
45:24
Speaker 6: So what is what is this bond market? What is
45:28
Speaker 6: it doing, Like, why does it seem to be recognizing
45:31
Speaker 6: that there's more chaos in the world than the stock
45:33
Speaker 6: market is recognizing. And what will that do to Trump's
45:37
Speaker 6: wish to get more rate cuts.
45:41
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think let's just be open with everyone. All
45:44
Speaker 7: of this can sound like Wall Street gibberish about what
45:48
Speaker 7: bond yields are, and this is really what this is about.
45:53
Speaker 7: People don't believe that the US is going to be
45:57
Speaker 7: able to pay back in real terms at the same
46:03
Speaker 7: level it used to. In other words, people are assuming
46:06
Speaker 7: inflation is going to go up, and you are seeing
46:10
Speaker 7: signs across all parts of the globe that they are
46:14
Speaker 7: moving away from They want to decouple a little bit
46:19
Speaker 7: from the US. They want to move away from owning
46:22
Speaker 7: US treasuries. Now there are some people who actually want
46:26
Speaker 7: that to occur, and there's some arguments for it, but
46:29
Speaker 7: I think the result, Ryan is that when it comes
46:33
Speaker 7: to things that we want to happen in our country,
46:37
Speaker 7: people being able to buy a home, people being able
46:41
Speaker 7: to borrow to start a business, all of that is
46:44
Speaker 7: going to go up and up, because, as you said,
46:47
Speaker 7: the bond market is looking at some reality here. They
46:51
Speaker 7: are seeing the Strait of hor moves being closed until
46:55
Speaker 7: June and maybe pricing in that it could go much later.
46:59
Speaker 7: They are seeing being a huge giveaway to wealthy people,
47:04
Speaker 7: to the tune of trillions of dollars in deficit, even
47:08
Speaker 7: as ordinary people are struggling. So it's hard to know
47:13
Speaker 7: exactly how this plays out. What I talk to people about,
47:17
Speaker 7: they think there's a few things. If gas prices are
47:21
Speaker 7: over five bucks, if a pound of chicken breast is
47:26
Speaker 7: above five bucks, and if the ten year treasury note
47:29
Speaker 7: is above five percent, that is spell's real political and
47:33
Speaker 7: I believe also economic trouble.
47:37
Speaker 6: Beef prices just hit a record too.
47:40
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're seeing now for just a pound of ground
47:43
Speaker 7: beef it is now more an average more than the
47:47
Speaker 7: federal minimum wage. It has gone up since COVID about
47:52
Speaker 7: seventy five percent. There's also real worry that this is
47:57
Speaker 7: not just this is not just about tariffs. Is this
48:00
Speaker 7: also about price fixing and price gouging, and frankly a
48:05
Speaker 7: government that has a lot of talk about doing something
48:08
Speaker 7: but nothing is really happening. You look at some of
48:12
Speaker 7: the sales numbers in big retailers. People are pulling back
48:17
Speaker 7: in so many ways, and that Memorial Day barbecue is
48:22
Speaker 7: going to cost way more than it did last year.
48:26
Speaker 8: And why then, are stock markets thriving? Why does the
48:32
Speaker 8: market keep going up? You're talking about the Wall Street gibberish.
48:36
Speaker 8: I mean, the average American looks at everything you just
48:38
Speaker 8: laid out and says, okay, everything happening in the bond market.
48:42
Speaker 8: These are all the struggles of the average American. So
48:45
Speaker 8: why is a stock market continuing to go up.
48:48
Speaker 6: Up up.
48:50
Speaker 7: You know what's funny. I think a lot of people
48:53
Speaker 7: have now been saying for years the stock market does
48:57
Speaker 7: not really represent how the economy is going. And you
49:01
Speaker 7: have seen it go up and up and up, even
49:04
Speaker 7: as cost of living and frankly, people just go being
49:08
Speaker 7: on a treadmill of trying to get by. If you
49:12
Speaker 7: look into the weeds of the stock market, it is
49:15
Speaker 7: really being driven by a handful of companies, mostly those
49:21
Speaker 7: that are big tech or AI hyperscalers, and the numbers
49:26
Speaker 7: keep going up. And you got to wonder if that
49:30
Speaker 7: speculation about AI's profits doesn't come true, you could really
49:37
Speaker 7: see a major correction. And we know that this economy
49:42
Speaker 7: is really running right now on wealthy people buying a
49:47
Speaker 7: lot of stuff and if that starts reversing, we're really
49:51
Speaker 7: talking about broad, broad pain. We have, of course upcoming
49:56
Speaker 7: talk about open AI, anthropic SpaceX, you know, filing for
50:02
Speaker 7: i pos. We really still are looking at all those
50:06
Speaker 7: numbers that they're putting out, and many of them are
50:09
Speaker 7: running big losses. So these big stock market valuations, and
50:15
Speaker 7: more and more people are admitting this is a problem
50:19
Speaker 7: if the if the optimistic results don't come true.
50:24
Speaker 2: Well in the stock market has never been a perfect
50:27
Speaker 2: indicator of the well being of the average American, but
50:31
Speaker 2: it seems to me that increasingly it's a counter indicator
50:34
Speaker 2: because companies are so richly rewarded by investors for laying
50:38
Speaker 2: off workers and replacing them with automation, with robots effectively.
50:44
Speaker 2: Of course, you know, looming over that is the possibility
50:47
Speaker 2: that you're laying out here, that we could be looking
50:49
Speaker 2: at a giant bubble and that this whole thing could
50:52
Speaker 2: come crashing down, which will be catastrophic for everyone, whether
50:55
Speaker 2: you're at the top or the middle, or the bottom,
50:57
Speaker 2: but mostly for the bottom.
50:58
Speaker 5: They're always the ones that suffer the moment.
51:00
Speaker 2: But I wonder if you see it the same way
51:02
Speaker 2: that the stock market has become kind of a reverse
51:04
Speaker 2: indicator of the well being of American people.
51:07
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I really and you might remember this
51:11
Speaker 7: after the two thousand and eight crash and after COVID,
51:16
Speaker 7: the FED really started essentially buying up a lot of
51:21
Speaker 7: financial assets, printing a lot of money and intervening in
51:26
Speaker 7: ways that we're really helping people who already owned these
51:32
Speaker 7: types of assets. And again, I think there's lots of
51:36
Speaker 7: people on Wall Street who just are pricing in that
51:40
Speaker 7: that's going to continue, that even if there is some
51:45
Speaker 7: sort of you know, correction or major dislocation in the
51:50
Speaker 7: capital markets, that someone will step in to help, because
51:54
Speaker 7: that's what happened after two thousand and eight, That's what
51:57
Speaker 7: happened after COVID, And they also saw after Liberation Day
52:02
Speaker 7: last April. The President Trump seems pretty sensitive to the
52:06
Speaker 7: stock market going down and backing off, which, of course coachry.
52:11
Speaker 2: And are are they right about that though, Roha, Because
52:14
Speaker 2: I mean, so much of our economy is just a
52:17
Speaker 2: giant bet on AI and the buildown of these data centers.
52:21
Speaker 2: Are those companies and those bets effectively too big to
52:23
Speaker 2: fail at this point?
52:25
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it to me, we have a lot
52:28
Speaker 7: of eggs in one basket. You asked about the layoffs
52:33
Speaker 7: you're seeing. Some people speculate that if the numbers aren't
52:38
Speaker 7: going to work out for some of these firms, that
52:41
Speaker 7: maybe they have to trim right now in order to
52:45
Speaker 7: keep justifyed evaluations or adjust their accounting numbers. We've seen
52:49
Speaker 7: things about depreciation of chips. I don't know how this
52:53
Speaker 7: is going to play out, but I hope that those
52:57
Speaker 7: who made big money during this that they are not
53:01
Speaker 7: rescued even as the rest of the country really ends
53:06
Speaker 7: up suffering in these downturns. That's my hope, and I
53:10
Speaker 7: think I'm advising everyone, let's be on alert for another
53:15
Speaker 7: bailout of those who already have money and power, and
53:20
Speaker 7: let's instead figure out what are we going to do
53:23
Speaker 7: if the proverbial downturn hurts everyone, what are we going
53:29
Speaker 7: to do to safeguard them? And I think that is
53:31
Speaker 7: a question where people of every single political belief know
53:36
Speaker 7: is a big risk.
53:38
Speaker 2: So you seem to feel pretty strongly that AI is
53:42
Speaker 2: a bubble that these companies don't you know, their valuations
53:46
Speaker 2: aren't justified and we could be headed to you some
53:48
Speaker 2: sort of a collapse.
53:50
Speaker 7: Well, I don't know. I think the question I have
53:53
Speaker 7: is there seems to be no one who wants the
53:57
Speaker 7: music to stop. There is really, because we have so
54:01
Speaker 7: much riding on it. It almost feels like the investor
54:04
Speaker 7: class knows there's no other option than to keep pushing
54:08
Speaker 7: this up. So you start worrying about is that grounded
54:13
Speaker 7: in reality? You know, the finance person in me thinks,
54:18
Speaker 7: if there is not cash flows that are going to
54:21
Speaker 7: come to justify these valuations. In other words, is it
54:25
Speaker 7: mostly vibes and hype? Often it's true at the early onset,
54:29
Speaker 7: vibes and hype are really you know, it's a big part.
54:32
Speaker 7: Lots of companies start off not making and then they
54:35
Speaker 7: make it really big. Here, though, we have to see
54:39
Speaker 7: something in order to justify these trillion dollar plus valuations.
54:46
Speaker 7: So I guess Crystal, what I'd say is, I don't
54:49
Speaker 7: know if it's a big bubble, but if it does pop,
54:53
Speaker 7: I hope those who made enormous amounts of money are
54:57
Speaker 7: not the first to be rescued.
55:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure you guys saw that Trump was
55:03
Speaker 2: contemplating an executive order on AI which was I mean,
55:06
Speaker 2: relatively limited. Just say, we're going to take a look
55:09
Speaker 2: at these models before they get released to the public.
55:12
Speaker 2: Seems like the very least that we could possibly do,
55:15
Speaker 2: and David Sachs came in over the top.
55:18
Speaker 5: None, no, no, you can't do this. It's going to
55:19
Speaker 5: screw up our competition with China.
55:21
Speaker 2: We've got to be, you know, just off to the
55:22
Speaker 2: races with absolutely no safeguards in place whatsoever. So you
55:27
Speaker 2: can see who's in control and whose voice has sway
55:29
Speaker 2: within the administration on this stuff.
55:32
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think you're going to keep seeing fights
55:34
Speaker 7: about this. We saw how there was an attempt by
55:38
Speaker 7: the Trump administration to hit delete on every single state
55:41
Speaker 7: law that was trying to do even modest protections and
55:46
Speaker 7: safeguards on AI, and of course that led to an
55:49
Speaker 7: eruption in Congress. This is going to be key, I
55:55
Speaker 7: think that we now know, and of course anthropics release
55:59
Speaker 7: of or not least that the availability of Mythos really
56:03
Speaker 7: was put on pause because I think there were big questions.
56:06
Speaker 7: Is this going to be able to get through the
56:11
Speaker 7: cyber security of almost every major utility bank? Is it
56:17
Speaker 7: going to create the type of chaos that is simply
56:20
Speaker 7: not worth it. We are talking about certain types of
56:24
Speaker 7: technologies that maybe can get past the biggest cyber defenses
56:30
Speaker 7: we've seen, and so Crystal, I think they may know
56:34
Speaker 7: that any type of regulatory intervention, if that leads to
56:41
Speaker 7: any pullback in stock market valuations, other dominoes may fall.
56:47
Speaker 3: Now.
56:47
Speaker 7: I don't agree with how they're doing it, but maybe
56:50
Speaker 7: that is how they are justifying that the stock market
56:53
Speaker 7: is the only thing keeping this economy going.
56:59
Speaker 11: Well.
57:00
Speaker 8: Unfortunately, I wish I could say Dodd Frank was making
57:02
Speaker 8: me feel safer right now. Right of course out of
57:06
Speaker 8: the CFPB sadly from mersunder Barnie Frank passed away this week,
57:10
Speaker 8: but I wish I could say that the legacy of
57:12
Speaker 8: Dodd Frank were that we had more protections right now.
57:16
Speaker 4: I guess my last question.
57:17
Speaker 8: I don't know if anybody else says something, but it's
57:19
Speaker 8: just why are we still looking at this problem even
57:23
Speaker 8: after we were putting in safeguards what ten plus years ago,
57:27
Speaker 8: fifteen years ago?
57:29
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think this is part of the unresolved issues
57:33
Speaker 7: from two thousand and eight. A true sense of no
57:38
Speaker 7: one being held accountable, a true sense that the core
57:42
Speaker 7: issues of who is pulling the strings is still the same,
57:48
Speaker 7: and that in fact, now together with others, had even
57:52
Speaker 7: more power and control over the economy. That is really,
57:57
Speaker 7: I think what is fundamental and until some of that
58:01
Speaker 7: almost monopolistic control over this system is the grip. Until
58:07
Speaker 7: that grip is loosen, people are still going to have
58:10
Speaker 7: really deep suspicions about whether there is any rule of
58:14
Speaker 7: law when it comes to our economy. We saw it
58:18
Speaker 7: in two thousand and eight, we saw it in opioids.
58:20
Speaker 7: We saw it over and over again, and I think
58:24
Speaker 7: that is really where there's a jump ball, you know,
58:27
Speaker 7: for political leaders to really seize the moment right now
58:31
Speaker 7: when there is so much anxiety about the future of
58:35
Speaker 7: the economy.
58:36
Speaker 8: Well, thank you so much for timerhood Trouprah's incoming Secretary
58:40
Speaker 8: of Business and Consumer in California. We really appreciate you
58:43
Speaker 8: helping us make.
58:44
Speaker 4: Sense of all of this.
58:44
Speaker 8: As Kevin worsh is signed in. So we're an inn
58:47
Speaker 8: I should say today much appreciated.
58:51
Speaker 6: Thanks so much so.
58:53
Speaker 3: Last little segment here that we got before we pitched
58:55
Speaker 3: to Ryan's interview that he recorded yesterday. I'm going full
59:00
Speaker 3: conspiracy theorist on this. I fully bought into the plot.
59:04
Speaker 3: I don't know what the plot is, but I'm gonna
59:06
Speaker 3: see this up and show you guys what came across
59:09
Speaker 3: my Twitter feed yesterday. I ended up posting about it,
59:12
Speaker 3: and it was like my most viral tweet that I've
59:14
Speaker 3: had in probably a couple of years. It got like
59:16
Speaker 3: two hundred thousand likes on it. But here we have
59:19
Speaker 3: a allegedly retired vice Admiral Robert Hayward appearing on Fox News.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna play this clip here for you guys. I
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Speaker 3: want you to focus on the bottom here, where you
59:31
Speaker 3: can see what looks to be somewhat of a disconnect,
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Speaker 3: a sharp, jagged line at his neck that, in my opinion,
59:41
Speaker 3: at least when I'm looking at this slowly zoomed in here,
59:44
Speaker 3: it looks like it's completely disconnected from whatever's underneath what
59:49
Speaker 3: could be allegedly hypothetically a full on sophisticated face mask
59:54
Speaker 3: that he's wearing on Fox News, face and neck, face
59:57
Speaker 3: and neck mask.
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Speaker 5: Whoa mac, I think you're lunch on this.
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Speaker 2: I think that's just a shadow. I think it's just
1:00:04
Speaker 2: a shadow. Like, have you ever been in a studio
1:00:07
Speaker 2: and seen studio lighting? It can change your face a lot.
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Speaker 3: What possible justification could you have for owning that?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: I don't know what you're talking about. This is just
1:00:19
Speaker 5: my face.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I was on a different screen.
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Speaker 6: I came back. Didn't even see that, Ryan, What do
1:00:29
Speaker 6: you have there? Do you have something?
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Speaker 12: Ryan?
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Speaker 6: This is my mask?
1:00:33
Speaker 3: That's your mask there? That one's hyper realistic there. So anyways,
1:00:42
Speaker 3: so this set off like a massive firestorm. I had
1:00:46
Speaker 3: people debating me on this. I had people trying to
1:00:49
Speaker 3: gaslight me. Here was one of the pictures that somebody drew.
1:00:52
Speaker 3: They said, oh, look, you just don't understand how studio
1:00:55
Speaker 3: lighting works. Like diagram coming from the top, and then
1:00:58
Speaker 3: there's a light coming from the and this red part
1:01:01
Speaker 3: down here is allegedly where the mask disconnect is happening.
1:01:06
Speaker 3: I think that I have a better theory, which is
1:01:09
Speaker 3: given the content of what he was talking about in
1:01:11
Speaker 3: that craising Donald Trump's handling of Iran, saying patriots are
1:01:17
Speaker 3: fully in control. We just maybe got a bomb in
1:01:20
Speaker 3: one more time and everything will be fine. And so
1:01:23
Speaker 3: my alternative theory to the other ones that people have
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Speaker 3: been trying to explain this with is this who's underneath
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Speaker 3: that mass?
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Speaker 6: It is Benjamin and Yahoo.
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Speaker 3: This is the only reasonable conclusion that I think we
1:01:38
Speaker 3: could come to in this moment, I genuinely. I mean,
1:01:41
Speaker 3: I've tried to look back at it. I tried to
1:01:43
Speaker 3: zoom in, I did cross comparisons. Maybe I can put
1:01:46
Speaker 3: this one up a comparison of him making an appearance
1:01:49
Speaker 3: on Fox News at a different time, and I just like,
1:01:53
Speaker 3: I can't get around it. There is nothing in my
1:01:55
Speaker 3: mind that tells me that this looks the same. Like Okay,
1:02:00
Speaker 3: maybe to some extent there's a lighting difference, but like
1:02:02
Speaker 3: the details on the neck, you know, the versus the
1:02:05
Speaker 3: details on the neck in this one talking wearing the
1:02:08
Speaker 3: same outfit, well, I think it's a little bit different.
1:02:10
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe it is the same exact outfit, but it
1:02:13
Speaker 3: looks like there's.
1:02:13
Speaker 2: A T shirt on, a black T shirt on under
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Speaker 2: the masked outfit.
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Speaker 5: He's a lot shinier. He's a lot smoother than the
1:02:21
Speaker 5: faith that the headshin.
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Speaker 6: I'm telling you, guys, I'm telling you, I have no
1:02:30
Speaker 6: the point of wearing a mask to look exactly like
1:02:32
Speaker 6: yourself somebody else.
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Speaker 12: Ryan.
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Speaker 2: But he's been swapped out because maybe he wasn't towing
1:02:39
Speaker 2: the line they wanted him to tow anymore.
1:02:41
Speaker 5: But now they have brought it.
1:02:45
Speaker 6: Masked this guy like they can't bring on some other
1:02:49
Speaker 6: guys and just part the exact same talking points. I
1:02:53
Speaker 6: don't know. That's where it loses me.
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Speaker 3: I have no I have no explanation as to what
1:02:58
Speaker 3: would have motivated a face sophisticated mask to be.
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Speaker 6: Worn in guy.
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Speaker 3: But he's a military allegedly retired former vice admiral, allegedly
1:03:10
Speaker 3: if you believe the mainstream media.
1:03:13
Speaker 8: If you believe that the media, to be clear, there
1:03:16
Speaker 8: is nothing in that video to suggest it is an
1:03:20
Speaker 8: accident of the lighting. There is something weird going on.
1:03:23
Speaker 8: I have no idea if it's a mask, but there's
1:03:26
Speaker 8: something weird going on. And Mac, I applaud your persistence.
1:03:31
Speaker 3: I'm doubling, I'm tripling down. I'm not I'm not backing
1:03:33
Speaker 3: down from my.
1:03:34
Speaker 6: Position to lighting. I don't know Ryan's.
1:03:42
Speaker 2: It's definitely one of those two things. Those are the
1:03:44
Speaker 2: only explanations.
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Speaker 6: All right, Well that's that's all that I got on this.
1:03:47
Speaker 6: I got no other explanations.
1:03:49
Speaker 2: Well, Mac, you pointed out at least they've they've upgraded
1:03:52
Speaker 2: from what was it. They're like Antifa super soldier that
1:03:55
Speaker 2: they used in multiple and who was also like a
1:03:58
Speaker 2: skin gang leader in a different segment, you got that.
1:04:00
Speaker 6: I don't know how you doubt this, Crystal.
1:04:02
Speaker 3: But here we have on the bottom Ramone Mundo Mendoza,
1:04:06
Speaker 3: Mexican Mafia encyclopedia author, and then on the top we
1:04:10
Speaker 3: have a former Antifa member and clearly clearly different guys
1:04:14
Speaker 3: here giving a you know, sophisticated testimony on both of
1:04:17
Speaker 3: these subjects.
1:04:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, Lyle come back on.
1:04:20
Speaker 2: Maybe get Lyle back for another appearance to evaluate the
1:04:24
Speaker 2: new masked mask man allegation.
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Speaker 6: I preferred Crystal with the dog mask or whatever that was.
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Speaker 2: I don't see if I can get if I can
1:04:33
Speaker 2: get this mask, this mask never fails to amuse.
1:04:36
Speaker 5: It is a great mass.
1:04:38
Speaker 2: There you go, and it's a poodle kids Halloween from
1:04:43
Speaker 2: I don't know, like four years ago has really come
1:04:45
Speaker 2: in handy here.
1:04:46
Speaker 3: That's that's an intense mask. You could be somebody's like
1:04:50
Speaker 3: sleep paralysis demon with that. All right, Well, that's that's
1:04:56
Speaker 3: all that we got on this one. I don't know,
1:04:58
Speaker 3: you guys, let us know in the comments. What what
1:05:00
Speaker 3: the hell's going on here?
1:05:01
Speaker 7: Yep?
1:05:02
Speaker 2: And Ryan, you want to give a pitch to your
1:05:04
Speaker 2: interview here with Daria Lisa.
1:05:06
Speaker 6: Yes, one little one major piece of news the immigrant.
1:05:10
Speaker 6: US Immigration Service just announced that if you're applying for
1:05:13
Speaker 6: a green card, you have to first leave the country,
1:05:17
Speaker 6: which is a radical and fundamental change in our immigration policy.
1:05:21
Speaker 6: Completely seems almost intended to basically block the ability of
1:05:26
Speaker 6: anybody to get a green card.
1:05:28
Speaker 5: Wow, that's crazy.
1:05:30
Speaker 2: That's a lot of people who get green cards. I
1:05:32
Speaker 2: mean a lot of that is, you know, people who
1:05:33
Speaker 2: have married American citizens, and so that has a huge
1:05:36
Speaker 2: impact on you know, obviously immigrants who want to be
1:05:39
Speaker 2: on the pathway to citizenship, but also to constraining the
1:05:43
Speaker 2: choices of Americans who you know, fall in love, want
1:05:46
Speaker 2: to get married and want their you know, spouse to
1:05:48
Speaker 2: be able to reside here with them and be citizens
1:05:51
Speaker 2: and participate in civil right right.
1:05:53
Speaker 6: And there's always there's been this talking point that, oh,
1:05:55
Speaker 6: you you know, we want you to do it the
1:05:56
Speaker 6: right way, get in line, follow the rules, and we
1:05:59
Speaker 6: do support legal immigration. This is just absolutely trying to
1:06:03
Speaker 6: blow up the rules and make legal immigration impossible. It's
1:06:07
Speaker 6: just anti immigration period.
1:06:13
Speaker 8: I was gonna say we should also mention we tease
1:06:15
Speaker 8: at the top of the Hunter Biden Candice Owns interview,
1:06:18
Speaker 8: he does claim I'll give you the I'll just say
1:06:20
Speaker 8: the timestamps, so if you're curious, you can go into it.
1:06:22
Speaker 8: It really starts around the one hour ten minute mark,
1:06:25
Speaker 8: one hour sixteen minute mark. He claims that there was
1:06:28
Speaker 8: an Israeli plot to kind of take him and his
1:06:32
Speaker 8: dad down. He claims that his dad was never part
1:06:34
Speaker 8: of the Epstein class, which was probably roughly true for
1:06:37
Speaker 8: like maybe the first ten years of his career or
1:06:39
Speaker 8: something like that, but obviously changed anytime you're gonna be
1:06:43
Speaker 8: the senator from Delaware.
1:06:45
Speaker 2: But he mentioned part of the Epstein class just supporting
1:06:49
Speaker 2: Israel's genocidal activities for the love of the game.
1:06:52
Speaker 8: But Crystal Israel actually was so mad at Joe Biden
1:06:56
Speaker 8: for being a maverick hunter Biden he was really under threat.
1:07:03
Speaker 4: So anyway, if people are into.
1:07:04
Speaker 5: Rock, Gravid said that it told me the same thing.
1:07:06
Speaker 8: So I heard that from Barak, so go start around
1:07:10
Speaker 8: the if you're curious of that part started around the
1:07:11
Speaker 8: one ten mark of their conversation.
1:07:17
Speaker 6: But anyway, so yes yesterday I interviewed Daddy Elisa Avila Chavalier,
1:07:23
Speaker 6: who's a community organizer in Harlem who's running against Adriano
1:07:28
Speaker 6: espayat the kind of longtime Harlem machine politician who replaced
1:07:32
Speaker 6: Charlie Wrangele, and she does not yet have the backing
1:07:38
Speaker 6: of Mayor's orn mom Donnie. She's hoping to get it,
1:07:41
Speaker 6: but apparently Hassan Piker is going to head out there,
1:07:44
Speaker 6: So the Piker bump is headed to her campaign pretty
1:07:48
Speaker 6: soon and if if she has any luck, Third Way
1:07:51
Speaker 6: will come in and condemn him and her and that
1:07:55
Speaker 6: she'll get the same result then that Elsaied and Chris
1:07:57
Speaker 6: rab got when Third Way came after him.
1:07:59
Speaker 8: And now Hassan really is the dem Tea parties Glenn Beck,
1:08:06
Speaker 8: he needs a.
1:08:06
Speaker 5: Turning into that for sure.
1:08:07
Speaker 6: It's a chalkboard, all right. Joining us today discuss her
1:08:13
Speaker 6: congressional race in a Harlem district against against incumbent Adrian
1:08:19
Speaker 6: espaat Is Daddy Elisa Chevalier, a community organizer, union member
1:08:27
Speaker 6: and challenging an incumbent in New York City. Thank you
1:08:32
Speaker 6: so much for being here, Thanks so much for having me.
1:08:35
Speaker 6: All right, so I wanted to actually start by getting
1:08:37
Speaker 6: you to respond to some pretty interesting comments from fran
1:08:40
Speaker 6: Lebowitz about the kind of tax policy and tax conversation
1:08:46
Speaker 6: that is rocking New York City. I think in actually
1:08:49
Speaker 6: a good way, because I think they need to be
1:08:51
Speaker 6: a little bit uncomfortable over.
1:08:52
Speaker 11: There, some of the folks there do.
1:08:54
Speaker 6: So let's let me play Leebowitz and then get your
1:08:57
Speaker 6: get your take here.
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Speaker 13: Every time someone suggests they say, I'm moving, go, You know,
1:09:02
Speaker 13: they add nothing to New York. You know, in the
1:09:04
Speaker 13: olden days, in the nineteenth century, those Robert Barrens, they
1:09:08
Speaker 13: employed people at least, okay, they employed thousands, hundreds of
1:09:13
Speaker 13: thousands of people. All this money, magic employees, no one,
1:09:17
Speaker 13: It is no product, it has no goodbye.
1:09:20
Speaker 7: Go we're moving to Florida.
1:09:21
Speaker 8: Go.
1:09:22
Speaker 13: You know, we don't need you. You know, I mean
1:09:24
Speaker 13: I know that guy. I mean I don't know him,
1:09:26
Speaker 13: but I think you're talking about a guy named Ken Griffin. Right,
1:09:28
Speaker 13: he's one hundred and three million dollar apartment. First of all,
1:09:31
Speaker 13: what does it even mean? How can an apartment be
1:09:33
Speaker 13: one hundred and three million dollars? And when you have
1:09:36
Speaker 13: apartments that costs that much, it makes every apartment more expensive.
1:09:39
Speaker 13: So the one hundred three million dollar apartment on fifty
1:09:41
Speaker 13: seventh Street makes the studio apartment in the Bronx more
1:09:43
Speaker 13: expensive than it should be. So no, I think it's
1:09:45
Speaker 13: a very good idea.
1:09:47
Speaker 6: Yeah, so Mayor Mom Donnie famously put Ken Griffin in
1:09:50
Speaker 6: his ad about this pieda tear at tax where you know,
1:09:53
Speaker 6: if you don't live in your apartment and it's worth
1:09:57
Speaker 6: X amount of dollars, you're going to have to pay
1:09:59
Speaker 6: a little tiny portion extra curious for you know how
1:10:04
Speaker 6: how it's playing in Harlem and you know, like, what
1:10:07
Speaker 6: did you think of kind of friends analysis there?
1:10:11
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I think she's right.
1:10:14
Speaker 9: My dad always says New York is New York and
1:10:17
Speaker 9: to mean that, you know, folks don't stay in New
1:10:20
Speaker 9: York because they you know, pay lower taxes.
1:10:22
Speaker 12: They come to New York because they love the city.
1:10:25
Speaker 9: And so people, you know, I think it's it's a bluff, right,
1:10:28
Speaker 9: They're they're asking us to call them on their bluff,
1:10:30
Speaker 9: and we should tax them. We should you know, show that,
1:10:33
Speaker 9: you know, when folks who make this this amount of
1:10:37
Speaker 9: wealth are taxed, we can actually use those resources to
1:10:41
Speaker 9: reinvest in our community and make our communities thrive.
1:10:44
Speaker 12: And it's going to benefit everybody.
1:10:46
Speaker 9: You know, the fact that we are you know, defunding
1:10:51
Speaker 9: our schools, that were defunding our public sector that has
1:10:54
Speaker 9: an impact on every single person in this community. And
1:10:58
Speaker 9: we are not giving a giving our communities to opportunities
1:11:01
Speaker 9: for for small businesses to thrive, right when we have
1:11:03
Speaker 9: these corporations that, to Frans point, aren't actually even employing
1:11:07
Speaker 9: the New Yorkers that live here and who need, you know,
1:11:12
Speaker 9: to need jobs to be able to pay the rents
1:11:15
Speaker 9: that continues to rise, to be able to pay the
1:11:17
Speaker 9: groceries that that costs are are rising for. And so
1:11:22
Speaker 9: you know, I think so so many of my friends,
1:11:24
Speaker 9: so many of my family and my neighbors are moving
1:11:27
Speaker 9: away because these costs are are just unbearable and the
1:11:32
Speaker 9: fact that our public sector on top of that, is
1:11:34
Speaker 9: being stripped of the resources that it needs to be
1:11:37
Speaker 9: able to function.
1:11:39
Speaker 12: It is a recipe for disaster.
1:11:42
Speaker 6: And so Harlem has a kind of history of having
1:11:46
Speaker 6: members of Congress who are who are there forever you know,
1:11:50
Speaker 6: there was the legendary twentieth century Congress and Adam Clayton
1:11:53
Speaker 6: pal Junior, you had, you had Charlie Wrangell, who you
1:11:57
Speaker 6: know I had.
1:11:57
Speaker 11: I had the privilege to cover when he was in Congress.
1:12:00
Speaker 6: And I say privileged because he was larger than life
1:12:03
Speaker 6: kind of character Adrianesbiot has seemed he seems more in
1:12:09
Speaker 6: line with life, not exactly a larger than life figure.
1:12:13
Speaker 6: But I'm curious kind of how the kind of Harlem
1:12:17
Speaker 6: establishment has evolved over the years and whether you think
1:12:20
Speaker 6: that it has kind of weakened to a position where
1:12:23
Speaker 6: a challenge like this, which in the past would have
1:12:25
Speaker 6: kind of been unthinkable, is actually possible.
1:12:30
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I would Well, first of all, I
1:12:32
Speaker 9: think the fact that we are dealing with a different
1:12:37
Speaker 9: machine right now and in the seat, we're dealing with
1:12:40
Speaker 9: what Aderonomos Baya calls his squadrino, it's one that is
1:12:47
Speaker 9: much weaker than folks.
1:12:50
Speaker 12: Assume.
1:12:50
Speaker 9: I think there is a lot of momentum on the
1:12:54
Speaker 9: ground blob of hunger for something very different. And to
1:12:58
Speaker 9: be clear, this district covers Harlem, Washington Heights, Inwood, parts
1:13:03
Speaker 9: of the West Bronx including Kingsbridge and Bedford Park. And
1:13:07
Speaker 9: so you know this this is a community that has
1:13:11
Speaker 9: been represented over the last nine years by someone who
1:13:16
Speaker 9: has not shown up for various parts of this community,
1:13:19
Speaker 9: including Harlem including East Harlem, and Barrio including parts of
1:13:22
Speaker 9: the Bronx, and you know, other parts of the district.
1:13:25
Speaker 12: And so you know, for me, as somebody who has
1:13:29
Speaker 12: been organizing here.
1:13:31
Speaker 9: For for my entire adult life, who has tried to
1:13:34
Speaker 9: reach out to his office to support on the issues
1:13:37
Speaker 9: that matter to people here, I've felt that absence. I've
1:13:40
Speaker 9: felt the lack of leadership on the issues that really
1:13:43
Speaker 9: matter to folks here. And that's why I'm running because
1:13:46
Speaker 9: you know, when when folks say, Okay, well he's the
1:13:50
Speaker 9: head of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus on these things, my
1:13:53
Speaker 9: experience has been that the head of the Congressional Hispanic
1:13:56
Speaker 9: Caucus has been absent in our community. My experience has
1:13:59
Speaker 9: been that he has repeatedly funded Ice, repeatedly voted to
1:14:05
Speaker 9: send arms to Israel, and not invested in our communities.
1:14:09
Speaker 9: My experience is that when my friends, my friend was
1:14:12
Speaker 9: kidnapped off the streets of this district by Ice, you know,
1:14:16
Speaker 9: he turned our friends and his family away.
1:14:19
Speaker 12: And so what this district deserves and needs.
1:14:22
Speaker 9: Is someone who understands the issues that are affecting every
1:14:27
Speaker 9: single one of our neighbors and is actually willing to fight.
1:14:30
Speaker 9: This is an issue of a lack of leadership, a
1:14:33
Speaker 9: lack of vision for for what our district needs and deserves,
1:14:37
Speaker 9: and a willingness to fight for that vision.
1:14:40
Speaker 6: And so you've you've been endorsed by Justice Democrats, which is,
1:14:44
Speaker 6: you know, fresh off their victory in Philadelphia with the
1:14:48
Speaker 6: election of Democratic Socialists Chris Chris rab Has has that
1:14:53
Speaker 6: have you sensed that producing any momentum since then? Like, like,
1:14:57
Speaker 6: are you hearing from more groups who are like, you
1:15:00
Speaker 6: know what, you know, maybe maybe this is like a
1:15:05
Speaker 6: ripe moment here.
1:15:07
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I've I've made the argument from the
1:15:10
Speaker 9: moment we launched this campaign that this is an opportunity
1:15:13
Speaker 9: for the left to build the coalition necessary to take
1:15:17
Speaker 9: on right wing corporations and packs right that have been
1:15:22
Speaker 9: having an outsized influence on our politics. This is an
1:15:26
Speaker 9: opportunity for the left to really push back on a
1:15:29
Speaker 9: politic that has really done a number on our democracy
1:15:33
Speaker 9: and to actually take our democracy back for the working
1:15:36
Speaker 9: people of this country. We know that this is a
1:15:40
Speaker 9: race that we can win if we get voters out,
1:15:44
Speaker 9: and so that's been our goal, is to make sure
1:15:46
Speaker 9: that we are telling folks that there is a primary
1:15:50
Speaker 9: on June twenty third and getting them to come out
1:15:52
Speaker 9: to the pools because for too long we've had leadership
1:15:55
Speaker 9: that is more than happy to allow people to stay
1:15:59
Speaker 9: home on election day instead of engaging people to come
1:16:03
Speaker 9: out and be part of their the electoral process and
1:16:05
Speaker 9: part of their government. You know, we have decided that
1:16:10
Speaker 9: we're going to run a completely different campaign and make
1:16:12
Speaker 9: sure that we are building the coalition necessary so that
1:16:15
Speaker 9: we can actually engage voters and the people of this
1:16:19
Speaker 9: district in their in their government, not just on election day,
1:16:22
Speaker 9: but beyond that, so that we can have those relationships
1:16:25
Speaker 9: that coalition once in office to actually make sure that
1:16:28
Speaker 9: we're governing, governing for and with our community.
1:16:31
Speaker 11: And Democratic Socialists of America. Of course that's also endorsed.
1:16:34
Speaker 6: Your campaign and was you know, behind the campaign of
1:16:38
Speaker 6: Mayor Mom Donnie. You know, he famously dissuaded a primary
1:16:42
Speaker 6: challenge against Hakim Jeffries. Has he has he dissuaded you
1:16:48
Speaker 6: at all from running? And do you think that it's
1:16:50
Speaker 6: possible that he may actually kind of intervene and endorse
1:16:54
Speaker 6: here against an incoming because you know, they're very difficult
1:16:57
Speaker 6: kind of coalitional and and delegation politics at play here.
1:17:02
Speaker 6: On the other hand, you know, he's trying to build
1:17:04
Speaker 6: power for a DSA based kind of working class movement.
1:17:09
Speaker 11: What are What are you hearing from the kind of
1:17:12
Speaker 11: mom Donnie Orbit, Yeah.
1:17:14
Speaker 9: I mean, the Mayor's a very busy man. He hasn't
1:17:17
Speaker 9: dissuaded me from running. I think a lot of what
1:17:20
Speaker 9: we've built our campaign around is actually the momentum that
1:17:24
Speaker 9: we built last year. I started canvassing in February for
1:17:29
Speaker 9: him in his campaign, and I spent almost a year
1:17:33
Speaker 9: hearing out the doors about how hungry people were for
1:17:35
Speaker 9: a different type of politics, making sure that we are
1:17:39
Speaker 9: actually delivering for working class people here in the city.
1:17:43
Speaker 9: And I'm running for Congress because I understand that it's
1:17:46
Speaker 9: going to it's going to take leadership at all levels
1:17:49
Speaker 9: of government to be able to actually deliver for all
1:17:51
Speaker 9: of the working people of New York City. And you know,
1:17:54
Speaker 9: I'm just deeply grateful to all the members of our coalition,
1:17:58
Speaker 9: to every volunteer, every person that has come out to
1:18:00
Speaker 9: support our campaign, because it's because.
1:18:03
Speaker 12: Of them that we've been able to build the momentum
1:18:05
Speaker 12: that we have.
1:18:06
Speaker 9: And you know, I'm really excited about what we're building
1:18:10
Speaker 9: because I think that for so many people, this is
1:18:14
Speaker 9: an opportunity to show that last year wasn't a fluke
1:18:18
Speaker 9: that these politics not only are popular, but that they
1:18:22
Speaker 9: work and that we can build government for working class.
1:18:25
Speaker 6: People and for a lot of people to watch it.
1:18:28
Speaker 6: They be like, well, maybe not this program, but most programs.
1:18:30
Speaker 6: They'd say, you know, what's the difference. It's a democratic district.
1:18:34
Speaker 6: You know, you're going to vote on most bills similarly
1:18:38
Speaker 6: to how I'll do it an spaot. Maybe there's be
1:18:41
Speaker 6: some differences on the edges, but it's not that big
1:18:44
Speaker 6: of a deal. So what would be the fundamental difference
1:18:49
Speaker 6: if the district sent you to Washington rather than Spayot.
1:18:53
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, I think we're in a really critical
1:18:57
Speaker 9: point in our country's history, and it matters in November,
1:19:02
Speaker 9: not only that we send Democrats to Congress, but the
1:19:05
Speaker 9: type of Democrats that we send to Congress. Do we
1:19:07
Speaker 9: have Democrats who say they're progressive but then vote to
1:19:10
Speaker 9: send about eight billion dollars to Ice? Do we have
1:19:13
Speaker 9: Democrats who are voting to send more arms to Israel
1:19:16
Speaker 9: as it engages in a genocide? Do we have Democrats
1:19:19
Speaker 9: who are supporting the privatization of our public schools and
1:19:23
Speaker 9: expanding charter schools while you know many of our public
1:19:26
Speaker 9: schools lack air conditioner in their gymnasiums. Do we want
1:19:31
Speaker 9: a representative who, when constituents go to their office are
1:19:36
Speaker 9: told that they can't support them in some of the
1:19:38
Speaker 9: hardest days of their lives.
1:19:39
Speaker 12: And I'm I'm an organizer. That has been what I've
1:19:42
Speaker 12: been doing my.
1:19:43
Speaker 9: Entire adult life is being with people on some of
1:19:45
Speaker 9: the hardest days of their lives, whether it was helping
1:19:48
Speaker 9: helping to get them out of ice attention, or are
1:19:51
Speaker 9: supporting them through an instance of police brutality or whatever
1:19:57
Speaker 9: the case. Right, those are the contexts that I have
1:19:59
Speaker 9: been showing up in for my community. And those are
1:20:03
Speaker 9: also skills that you developed over the course of organizing
1:20:07
Speaker 9: that that we hope to bring to Congress, to the
1:20:09
Speaker 9: halls of power to make sure that we're organizing inside
1:20:12
Speaker 9: and outside to actually deliver for our people here. And so,
1:20:16
Speaker 9: you know, I think if we're serious about winning in
1:20:19
Speaker 9: November and making sure that we're taking back the House,
1:20:22
Speaker 9: it matters what kind of Democrats we're electing in the primaries.
1:20:26
Speaker 9: It matters that we're making sure that they are people
1:20:28
Speaker 9: who are fighting for working class people across the country.
1:20:32
Speaker 6: And if you were elected and it came Jeffreys runs
1:20:35
Speaker 6: for leader, as he said he would would you would
1:20:38
Speaker 6: you support him?
1:20:39
Speaker 12: Yeah?
1:20:40
Speaker 9: I mean, I guess we have to take a one
1:20:42
Speaker 9: step out a time because I'm very focused on my
1:20:45
Speaker 9: primary right now, and in order for that to even
1:20:49
Speaker 9: be a question we get to I have to first
1:20:51
Speaker 9: win this primary and then also we have to win
1:20:54
Speaker 9: in November. And again, I think we can get to
1:20:58
Speaker 9: those questions with as a community, right but we can't
1:21:03
Speaker 9: do that if we don't come out on June twenty third.
1:21:05
Speaker 6: So you started door knocking, you know, last February, So
1:21:09
Speaker 6: that means, you know, for the last year and a
1:21:11
Speaker 6: half almost you've been talking directly to voters about their
1:21:16
Speaker 6: political concerns. And I'm curious if you've seen any evolution
1:21:20
Speaker 6: in what rises to the surface over that time, because obviously.
1:21:25
Speaker 11: A lot has changed since well, I guess, you know, the.
1:21:30
Speaker 6: Trump administration has been in power that entire time, but
1:21:33
Speaker 6: they've really, you know, executed on their agenda in a much.
1:21:39
Speaker 11: In a very aggressive way.
1:21:40
Speaker 6: But so I'm curious how what you've heard about that
1:21:42
Speaker 6: from people, but just in general, like, what are you
1:21:45
Speaker 6: hearing from from regular people about how they're feeling about
1:21:50
Speaker 6: the state of the city and the country.
1:21:53
Speaker 9: Yeah, no, I you know, I think what we've heard
1:21:56
Speaker 9: at the doors is more or less consistent with I
1:22:00
Speaker 9: was hearing at the doors in February of last year.
1:22:03
Speaker 9: And that's because we've had leadership in this position. But
1:22:09
Speaker 9: across the country that is the very same establishment politics
1:22:13
Speaker 9: that has gotten us to this moment right where our
1:22:17
Speaker 9: rents keep rising, where our children are hungry. We have
1:22:21
Speaker 9: over one hundred thousand New York City public school kids
1:22:23
Speaker 9: who are homeless right and we continue to disinvest from
1:22:28
Speaker 9: our public infrastructure, making the lives of New Yorkers so
1:22:31
Speaker 9: much harder every single day. And again, it can't just
1:22:35
Speaker 9: be elect one person.
1:22:37
Speaker 12: And hope for the best. It needs to be.
1:22:41
Speaker 9: A new wave of representatives on all levels of government
1:22:45
Speaker 9: that can actually bring forth the vision of New York
1:22:48
Speaker 9: City that works for working class people. What we're seeing
1:22:51
Speaker 9: at the doors is that people care about housing. That's
1:22:53
Speaker 9: why we're running for housing for all, to make sure
1:22:55
Speaker 9: that it is affordable and a fixture of this affordable
1:22:58
Speaker 9: housing is a fixture of the city in this country,
1:23:00
Speaker 9: to make sure that we are abolishing ice and creating
1:23:03
Speaker 9: pathways to citizenship, because in a district with so many
1:23:07
Speaker 9: immigrant families, we need to be making sure that we're
1:23:09
Speaker 9: protecting our communities, and you know, overall, we're fighting to
1:23:14
Speaker 9: invest in our babies, not bombs, because all the things
1:23:16
Speaker 9: that our children need are the things that make our
1:23:18
Speaker 9: communities thrive. And one of the things that breaks my
1:23:20
Speaker 9: heart most is the way that a lot of my
1:23:22
Speaker 9: friends have moved out of the city because they want
1:23:25
Speaker 9: kids and they can hop forward to have them in
1:23:28
Speaker 9: the city because our schools are so defunded, because you know,
1:23:31
Speaker 9: our libraries are struggling, and so making sure that we're
1:23:35
Speaker 9: actually investing in our kids and expanding the child tax
1:23:38
Speaker 9: credit and funding schools, public schools from creatoral college, all
1:23:42
Speaker 9: of those things are the things that will really push
1:23:45
Speaker 9: us to make sure that we have a community here
1:23:48
Speaker 9: in New York City, not just people who are isolated
1:23:52
Speaker 9: workers to the benefit of corporations instead of the benefit
1:23:56
Speaker 9: of our communities here.
1:23:57
Speaker 6: And the playgrounds, I'm a big pro playground guy. How
1:24:02
Speaker 6: how are the playgrounds in your district? Because like, sometimes
1:24:05
Speaker 6: you got a playground, but if it's it's but it's
1:24:08
Speaker 6: not usable or safe for kids, and equipment's not kept up,
1:24:11
Speaker 6: there's garbage whatever, Like, how are you know what's the
1:24:14
Speaker 6: situation in the district playground wise, as a parent, that's my.
1:24:21
Speaker 9: Sometimes in some of the public parks, you know, my
1:24:24
Speaker 9: my reading on them is that you know, there are
1:24:27
Speaker 9: there are many that that are maintained well, but there
1:24:31
Speaker 9: are not that many parks per se, right, and so
1:24:34
Speaker 9: a lot of the playgrounds that exist in this district
1:24:36
Speaker 9: are actually in Nischa communities, and Nischa has been so
1:24:41
Speaker 9: deeply disinvested from that. You know, many of these buildings
1:24:45
Speaker 9: are in complete disrepair and and just really undignified conditions,
1:24:50
Speaker 9: and so many of the children in our community those
1:24:53
Speaker 9: are the conditions that they have to live in, and
1:24:56
Speaker 9: the conditions of their playground reflect that we need to
1:25:00
Speaker 9: invest in Nischa, not only because we owe it to
1:25:03
Speaker 9: the over five hundred thousand New Yorkers who live there
1:25:06
Speaker 9: to to actually make their homes dignified homes, but also
1:25:12
Speaker 9: because it is you know, it is one of the
1:25:16
Speaker 9: largest this this district has one of the largest concentration
1:25:19
Speaker 9: of public housing units in the country, and that's an
1:25:22
Speaker 9: opportunity for us to introduce a green new deal for
1:25:25
Speaker 9: public housing to make sure that we are creating good
1:25:28
Speaker 9: union jobs for people and preserving the legacy of what
1:25:31
Speaker 9: Nischa was supposed to be, which was supposed to be
1:25:34
Speaker 9: a pathway to the middle class, not a stepping stone
1:25:37
Speaker 9: into market rate housing, but but a fixture of the
1:25:41
Speaker 9: city's affordable housing programs. And so you know, there there
1:25:46
Speaker 9: are so many ways that we could be investing in
1:25:48
Speaker 9: our kids here in the city, but right now, as
1:25:51
Speaker 9: it stands, we have representatives would rather send our tax
1:25:54
Speaker 9: dollars towards war and ice instead of reinvesting back in
1:25:58
Speaker 9: our communities to make sure that we have the resource
1:26:00
Speaker 9: to lead dignified lives.
1:26:02
Speaker 6: Well, Darya Alisa Avida Chevalier, I think learn more. Daria
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Speaker 6: Alisa for Congress dot Com. Thank you so much for
1:26:11
Speaker 6: joining us again the primaries June twenty third. I really
1:26:14
Speaker 6: appreciate you being here.
1:26:16
Speaker 12: Thanks so much for having me.
1:26:17
Speaker 6: Take care you got it.