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Will Rodriguez & Karen Endsley · Postcards to the Universe

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Welcome to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa Capria. Do you believe in magic?
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What if you were told that all you had to do was get a
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little creative and work a magic spell to bring anything you can imagine into your
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life. Here on Postcards to the Universe, we will share manifesting tips,
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postcards, creativity, abundance, and prosperity. Here's your host, Melissa Capria.
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Hey everybody, and welcome to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa creating the
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life you crave. How are you guys doing. I hope you're doing well.
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Sorry, we're just starting a few minutes late today because we were having
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an issue connecting. But it's all good now. How is your twenty twenty
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four going so far? What do you want to bring into your life?
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Have you thought about that? What do you want your life to look like
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by the end of this year? Those are some things to think about.
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What do you want to manifest? I have a really cool show today.
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I have the dynamic duo Will Rodriguez and Karen Ensley from the Skeptic Metaphysicians podcasts
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as my guests, and they're going to join me and I have tons of
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questions for them. Their podcast is super interesting, so I want to talk
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all about that. Just a few things that I wanted to mention. I'm
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also an author. I have a book called Postcards to the Universe, Harness
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the Universe's power and manifest your dreams, and it's all about manifesting, so
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please check it out. I'm also doing I started doing these live readings from
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my book. So there's thirty manifesting stories in my book with postcards that I
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photographed and their postcards kind of like a mini vision board. So since i
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started reading from my book, I'm reading it on I'm doing least five minutes
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in these five minute videos on Instagram, TikTok, and then I share them
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on life lind and YouTube. They are the people who contributed's postcards. I'm
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re photographing them as I'm doing these readings, So I hope that you follow
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along, and if you do, please let me know that you're there.
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I really would appreciate it. And I'm always asking for people to send me
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I tell you how to create one and where to send it and when your
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manifestation becomes your reality. Please please email me let me know and I can
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share your story and a couple of other things that I'm doing that I like
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to talk about, and I usually go into more depth and you can catch
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more information about it if you listen to some previous shows. I have a
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couple of workshops and one is called Manifesting through Gratitude, a visual journey,
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and that runs Thursday evenings and it's all about using gratitude for manifesting. And
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I have a making a Manifesting postcard workshop. It's a one day workshop Friday,
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I mean Saturday, February seventeenth, one to four pm Eastern time,
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and it's called put your wishes to work and manifest the life you desire.
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So you can also find all of that out about all of that on my
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website Postcards to the Universe dot com. And making postcards is so much fun,
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so please I hope that you do. I want to dive right into
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my guests. Like I said, I apologize for starting a few minutes late
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today, So let me read you a little bit about them. The skeptic
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metaphysic metaphysicians Will Rodriguez and Karen Ensley are not Unlike Scully and Molder from The
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X Files, a skeptic metaphysician is caught between two worlds, the allure of
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life's mystical mysteries and the grounding force of scientific scrutiny. It's a quest to
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peel back the layers of the wu, seeking to find what's real, what's
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illusion, and what lies in the world realm of endless possibilities. The real
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life husband and wife duo are behind the Signal award winning show The Skeptic Metaphysicians.
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From unraveling metaphysical enigmas to exploring spiritual awakenings, they dive deep without making
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it cringey. Their contrasting views, one is a true pragmatist and the other
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a wonder filled explorer make them the perfect guides into the great unknown, featuring
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metaphysics, spirituality and spiritual awakenings. Through more than one hundred interviews, they
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share the truth of the universe and feel that they are here this time around
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to act as messengers and amplify these all important messages. And this is their
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quote. Our goal is to help raise the vibration of the planet by helping
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spread the important messages of our guests to the world. We tackle the topics
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from a dual mindset, where one host is more pragmatic while the other is
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more immediately accepting of the essodeterrek. I love that and for more information you
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can go to their website. It's Skeptic Metaphysician dot com. Welcome Will and
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Karen. Thank you so much for being here with me today. Thank you
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for inviting. It's thrilled absolutely, I think goosebumps. I need to record
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your intro and carry you around with me. It makes me feel so good
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good. Okay, so now I have to let's see, So is who's
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the pragmatist here? Is it Will? Or? Am I getting that wrong
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charge? Yeah? I don't know why. I just have that feeling.
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It just seems that this is just a personal opinion. This is not set
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in stone, but it just feels that men seem to be a little bit
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more from that scientific like I need the evidence, and women we go more
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on the hits to our intuition. That just seems to be my experience.
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But like I said, that's just a personal opinion. So how did you
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guys, like what prompted this? I mean, were you doing a completely
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different kind of work? And then you decided to start this journey pretty much.
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Yeah, yeah, I think it happened. I started the show on
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my own, which was a tragic mistake. I should have had Karen on
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from the beginning, But it was really a way for me to process some
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realizations about myself that I came to that I did not like at all.
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So obviously I did the whole therapy and all that kind of stuff, but
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it wasn't enough, and I started asking the big questions like who am I?
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Why am I here? Boy? Why I have I had to go
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through this that I put myself through, things like that, and started having
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conversations with people about it, and little by little started unpeeling the onion of
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metaphysics and spirituality, and suddenly the world started opening up. And when I
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brought care into the show, everything changed so completely because now we had two
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We were looking at the same modality from two different perspectives. That gave me
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personally, because believe me, this is a compute, completely selfish gesture my
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part just creating the show. This was for me, but it helped me
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to see the topic such a much more full and complete way that I've learned
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so much over the last three years of doing the show, and a lot
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of it comes from the fact that I'm seeing it from Karen's perspective too,
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which I couldn't see before because I was stuck in my own m And Karen,
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what about you? What made you decide that you wanted to do the
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podcast and talk about and you guys can also share with us too, a
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couple of your favorite episodes and some things that you've learned from some of your
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guests. So, Karen, what made you decide that you wanted to share
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this kind of information? Will has a way of roping me into things my
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career now and then the podcast marriage No, Yeah, husbands do do that.
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They do do that, right. So originally I joined as a guest
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when we had some friends that had had some really interesting experiences coming on.
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He thought it'd be fun. They are a husband and wife team. He
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thought it'd be fun for the four of us to meet and talk, and
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it was. It was really a lot of fun. And then from time
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to time I would join in, you know, depending on what the topic
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was. And then Will and I were just having such a good time doing
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it that I just stayed in. Yeah, yeah, no, it's fun
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doing it right, and I'm sure you meet the most interesting, interesting people.
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So, Karen, is there, like somebody that you like a show
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that like stands out in your mind? I'll ask you first and then will
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also follow up with you and you can answer that too, So go ahead,
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Karen. I mean there are so many shows that out in my mind
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for different reasons. Like one of the most incredible guests we had was Jonathan
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Robinson. And he's someone who you know, meditated with the Dlea Yama and
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interviewed by the Teresa and was friends with rom Das and all. It is
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this incredible story and he's so much fun to talk to and so informative.
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So that was one of my favorite. But we have done so many different
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kind of wild and wacky and fun interviews with so many people. It really
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has changed the way that we both look at things. M and Will What
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about you? Is there some like maybe you can give me an example,
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like is there a show that you went in as a skeptic, Like after
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doing some research and having the conversation that sort of shifted your thinking and you're
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like, you know, I think I may have been wrong about that,
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or wow, I'm really I can really believe that now because I've had those
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experiences, especially with energy stuff that you can't see right, but you just
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can sort of feel it and you see and you see what happens. So
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how I'll let you answer, Yeah, definitely. The easy answer is yes.
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Every episode I went into it like I'm not sure about this, and
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at the end of it was like, well, okay, maybe, well
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not. I shouldn't say every episode, but a few of them. But
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truly it runs the gamut. So as I'm a Gemini, so in true
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Gemini fashion, I go from liking this type of thing to like in this
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type of thing, from like one second to the next. The thing that
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really changed my mind the most is when I was certified as a Reikie practitioner.
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Because I've always looked for you talking about energy and all that kind of
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stuff. I've always been looking for that tactile thing, that proof that I
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need to feel it, touch it, tasted, I can't just take it
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on faith. And when I was attuned to reiki, that was the first
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time that I actually felt something coming out of my hands that I've never experienced
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before, and I couldn't deny that this was for sure something outside of the
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normal. So then you've got that side of things, But then you've got
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the other side of things where we did something some episodes with manifestation law of
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attraction, which then putting the tenets that we learned on the show made some
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things happen. And now to have to stand up and go, okay,
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this this has to be much more than pure coincidence. But maybe the episode
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that really surprised me the most was when we talked to this gentleman from Australia
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who believed that we talked to each other on two different levels. One level
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is the way we're talking now, which are our conscious mind, but then
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another level is by our subconscious mind in our selection of words and the tone
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of voice, and the addiction and the speed at which we speak. We
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are constantly speaking to each other in reverse as well subconsciousness. And he says
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that this reverse speech. He has spent his entire life ordering all kinds of
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speeches from politicians to regular dialogues between couples, and has found hundreds of thousands
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of messages in reverse that is telling you what that person's actually thinking. Like,
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you can't lie when you do reverse speech, oh absolutely, And he
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played some soundbites for us from politicians and from his own daughter that made us.
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You know how sometimes you people say oh yeah in the spirit box,
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oh he said chocolate mom, I didn't hear I heard. How do you
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that this was so exact that when he played it, we both care and
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I were reeling that there's no way that this is not saying what we're hearing
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it say. It was super clear. Uh. And that really surprised me
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because I came into going, oh, come on, right, because remember
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back in the eighties when everybody thought you played the back the record back and
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things like that. Yeah, I went in. I went into that episode
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with that like okay, well this is this is okay, this will be
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fun, but left going, oh my god, I've been missing a lot
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in my life that is really interesting, that is really really interesting. As
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a fellow Gemini, I appreciate your brain because I am one also, and
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I understand how that works. I can like something and not like it at
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the same time. Right, Yeah, you understand me that I do understand.
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Well, I want to talk about because I saw that you guys talk
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about this, and I thought, wow, this is really interesting because I
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am getting more and more into this this reality shifting, this quantum jumping.
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So let's talk about that, because I haven't really delved into that conversation with
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any of my guests yet on my show. So whichever one of you wants
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to start, and then you know, whoever wants to you know, start
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there and then I'll follow up with some questions from there. Go ahead.
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Gosh, we have a really great bog the mic talk about Benji was it
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what was his last name? Sure? Yeah, sure, Benji share Okay.
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He We had a fantastic interview with him, and he talks all about
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reality transfering and talk about manifesting and stuff as well. But it's just it's
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very interesting, you know, the thought of you know, time is all
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happening at the same time, you know, so which what you're doing presently
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affects the past and the future, and what you're doing in the future is
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affecting you right now and got really confusing. But it can also explain a
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lot of things. And I know, will you've got to you got to
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share your story about the airplane. Okay, Yeah, that's uh okay.
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So I I can be a little ocd at times and I'm traveling a lot
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of work these days. Okay, thanks Karen. I will I will own
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it. I do, I will own it. So most of the time
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when I'm flying, I fly one particular airline because I like the way that
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they work, and i'd like the miles and all that kind of stuff.
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And every time I have their app. Every time, the day before I'm
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gonna fly, I checked the app to make sure that my seat assignment is
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something that I can live with, because I can't sit in the middle and
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I get the little clubs phobic on the window, so trying to get the
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aisle. So this particular time, I was flying home and I checked the
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day before, and I was seating in road twenty I forgot. I think
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it's twenty sixth Sea, which was the aisles. It's perfect, that's wonderful.
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Well, I've checked that same seat assignment at least twelve times between the
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time that I woke up that next morning and the time I boarded the plane,
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at least twelve times. No line, no exaggeration. So I sat
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in twenty six CE, and a little bit a minute later, a woman
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walked down the aisle and stands next to me and goes, I'm sorry,
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so I believe you're in my seat. Well, of course she's mistaken,
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right, she must mean the aisle of the middle seat, which is empty
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right next to me. Because I looked at my app twenty seven times,
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I'm in twenty sixty. So I pulled out my app to show it to
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her, and as I did, I opened it up and as I'm watching,
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for a split second, my seat assignment said twenty sixth se and in
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front of my eyes it switched to twenty six D or vice versa. Was
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sure what it was as I was watching the fight attendant. Of course,
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I was shocked. I was shell shocked. The fight attendant says to me,
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sorry, you need to move, which is what woke me up out
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of my shell shock. But usually when an app updates, When that app
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updates, it will give you that little circle of death thing that just loading
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loading, loading. Yeah, there was none of that. It was just
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one second it was twenty sixty. The next second it was just twenty sixty.
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There was no shift, there was no adjustment that it was just like
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a blink, blink of an eye. It was suddenly different. It was
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so scary that I had to call Karen right away from the plane. Like
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Karen, you're not gonna believe what just happened. But here's our first instinct
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is always to explain it away, is to say, oh, I must
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have been mistaken. Right. So I'm sitting in now twenty six d to
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think to myself, Okay, how did I get this wrong? I must
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have seen it wrong. Well I checked the twenty seven times. There's no
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way I got it right. I know for sure I saw it well.
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Then maybe the airline adjust changed it up. Well, no, because they
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always gives me that a little real death thing before itusts. Maybe I looked
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at every possibility and I could not explain it. So did you happen?
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To ask the woman and ask her how long she ago she had picked her
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seat, just to confirm anything for yourself. I was so embarrassed and freaked
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out that I just wanted to sit in my seat and pretend that didn't happen,
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because I know no one wants to sit in a long seat, right.
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That's embarrassing. But you're right, I should have and I didn't think
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of it. But my theory is that this is happening to us all the
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time, but our rational minds are explaining it away so it doesn't sit,
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we don't notice it. But this time it was so obvious because truth be
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told, I had been asking the universe, I need you to show me
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a sign. I need to show me a sign that is irrefutable. I
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cannot explain this away. And then very next day this is what happened.
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So the actively asking the universe for that brought this to me and then kept
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it in my mind and I pulled out my laptop and I wrote down the
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whole story so I didn't forget because I think this thing happens to us all
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the time, and we forget about it, and we don't. Do you
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think that what is a deja vu? Do you think a deja vu is
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worth seeing a glimpse from our future self or our past self? Because I
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have them all the time, and they're they're wicked, Like you're like,
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I have had this experience, and why is this so familiar? Because I
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try to grasp in my brain what that means to be having simultaneously experiences in
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the past, present in future, like, well, what which example you
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know? Is? Is it all present in its own time? Like it
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trips me out when I try to go deep into how that works, right,
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because we think of time as linear and we're finding out that obviously it's
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not right. Time isn't linear. So so is that what you think dejavus
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are Karen, I'll let you share that one. Yeah, well, I
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absolutely do. And it's kind of like, I don't know if you ever
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ever had a situation where maybe you're sitting on the couch and you're watching TV
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and you're eating something, something on your phone at the same time, and
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then all of a sudden you can't find like the pen that you just had
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in your hand. Yes, you haven't gone anywhere, you haven't moved,
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but it is nowhere to be found. Yeah, or underneath where you're sitting
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on the floor. It happens to me all the time. And then you
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get up, you go get another pen, you come back, and it's
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like sitting right there right in front of you where you look like, how
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do you explame that? Yeah? Do you think that this is that the
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these instances are happening to wake us up, to let us know about,
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you know, our own consciousness. You know, I think they've been happening.
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I think we are now just finally starting to see them for what they
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are m. Yeah. Yeah, because now it's becoming more mainstream, It's
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becoming so much more okay to think this type of thought, whereas before you
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wouldn't see anything, or you'd be like no, no, no, no,
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no way, you know, but now there's resources out there even to
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learn more to like even our podcast. That's one of the things I love
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about it than most are the reviews that we get, and so many people
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are saying thank you for helping me feel normal because they're having different experiences and
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they you know, thought they were losing it or whatever. So it's yeah,
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I definitely, well maybe both. Maybe it's just happening more. I
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mean, you know, the Age of Aquarius and all of that, but
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I think we're also realizing it more for what it is. Yeah. I
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noticed that too, just from having the show, that people are so much
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more open not having experiences with you know, this kind of stuff or connecting
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to spirit or you know, seeing loved ones that passed on or you know,
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alternative energetic healing and all those modalities like And I think it's great because
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I've always been fascinated by this kind of stuff ever since I was a kid.
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Actually, right, so I was like the you know, I always
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thought a little different and couldn't understand, like, you know, this segregated
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religion stuff like it made no sense to me. It didn't feel right,
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and I didn't know why it didn't feel right. But now I do,
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Now I do. And yeah, when we were young, it was kind
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of the hippie people or whatever. Yeah, the attorney, Yeah, cybersecurity
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people that are having these experiences. So yes, I was just talking to
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a contract lawyer yesterday who has a totally woo woo podcast just yesterday and that's
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her linkedage job, and that's you know, and she's like doing this too
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at the same time, so it's cool. Do you think that that would
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be how we could time travel? That we don't actually like the present self
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doesn't actually leave its present, but somehow we connect to the past self,
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and that's how we could time travel. Do you think we actually talked to
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someone that does just that. He calls himself a time traveler, and he
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does it in his mind, but he goes I guess, I don't know,
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some kind of I guess like some sort of remote viewing where he takes
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his consciousness into the future and comes back with information from the future. So
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I think I think that very viable theory there. However, we can,
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I mean, we can go super wu on this thing. I'm reading a
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book, and I'm reading a book called Oneness, and it talks about different
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dimensions and that we are exist in a hundred thousand different dimensions and what deja
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vu could be is us experiencing what are other us is experiencing in a different
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dimension. Yeah, I mean we can. We can go down this massive
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rabbit hole that I don't know we have time for, but but yeah,
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I think it's I think it's I think we're getting to a to a tipping
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point. We just crossed into the age of Aquarius, right. I think
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we're saying that the veil is thinner, that we're all ascending, whether we
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like it or not, and we just got to get hit to it.
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And I think that's where we're starting to notice that. Yeah, yeah,
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that is fascinating too. I've heard that that that that we're that every time
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like a choice is presented upon us, where but we are making those choices
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like I've made this choice, and I've also made this choice, so and
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uh, and then it keeps splitting off from there and there and then that
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you take that and you add that to the present, past, future,
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and you're like, I mean, I don't even know. I hope you
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know when the my spirit leaves the body, that all these answers will be
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revealed and I will have a better understanding. My spirit will have an understanding
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of it, because in our brains it's really hard to wrap our brain around
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how that would even happen. How that is? Wow, that is interesting.
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That that must have been really interesting. So what other kinds of shows
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do you do you market to have people come on your show? Do people
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find you? How do you find your guests? Yeah, it's it's really
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interesting. We we we handpicked our folks when we first started, but now
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we got to the point where people are coming to us and asking us to
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be on our show, so we'll start looking for what we look into them
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and then we're relatively selective as to who we bring on because we have had
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some where we you know, we uh, the interview was out there,
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and we the kind of thing where we turn off the computers, we we
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shut off the audio board, we go downstairs, we go outside the house.
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We make sure we're inside the car where no one can hear us and
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we go that right, So we've learned to be really selective about who we
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can bring on because we feel that there's we have a responsibility to the folks
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that are listening in to Karen's points. She said, we're people are saying
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thank you for making us feel normal. We're now we feel like the sense
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of pressure of responsibility that we want to make sure that we're providing all different
25:10
types of thought processes even if we don't agree with it, because right,
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the whole mindset of whatever you believe is real is real because we create our
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own realities. So just because it doesn't resonate with us, it doesn't mean
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it's not going to resonate with someone out there. But we do want to
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be incredible. Even more than that, people assume that since we are,
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you know, we're the co hosts, were married, that we believe the
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same thing, and we don't. We have I mean something we believe the
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same, but some things we are very you know, the opposite of yeah,
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absolutely yeah. And I let Karen be wrong all the time. It's
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not a problem, you know, it's you know that, all right,
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And what reality? And Karen, what is one thing that you believe that
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that Will doesn't believe if you wouldn't mind, I'm sharing. No, I
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don't mind, and he knows exactly what I'm going to say. It's karma.
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I have a very very different belief about karma, whereas he is more
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that you bring, you know, karma from past lives than maybe this life
26:12
you're here to fix something that you did in a past life. I okay
26:15
believe that. I believe. Okay, they're in karma in this life.
26:18
You know, if you did something crappy, you're going to pay for in
26:21
this life. But I personally think it would be too cool to bring a
26:25
soul into life with no memory of something they did in the past life to
26:29
live a really difficult life to make up for something they didn't or they didn't
26:33
So it's a choice I choose not, you know, to believe in that.
26:37
Yeah, yeah, no, I kind of I know exactly what you're
26:41
saying. I struggle with that too. That's the thought process that I have,
26:45
Like, well, if they were really horrible in a past life,
26:47
but now they're you know, they're living a horrible life and they have no
26:49
recollection of whatever their spirit does. So I try to rationalize it with the
26:53
soul chose to have the physical the experiences that it was going to happen,
26:57
because the soul knows what it created in the past life. So that's the
27:03
only way in my own mind I can rationalize that thought. But I'm like
27:07
you, you get what you give. So if you if you give it
27:11
now, if you give and you do it with pure heart and love in
27:15
your heart, that's gonna come back to you. Might not come back from
27:17
the person you're giving it to or the situation, but it comes from another
27:19
forum. And the same with is the horrible stuff. Yeah, because yeah,
27:23
yeah, yeah, that's interesting. That's interesting. Well it's good though,
27:27
because you guys can have those discussions and I'm sure you have some guests
27:32
that you know bring up some some friendly debates between the two of you,
27:36
right, yeah, that's part of the fun, right Yeah. Before we
27:49
started the podcast, Will was a different person and he was right. He
27:53
was right, yes, and that was right for you, but for anybody
28:02
else, Yeah, that's changed. That's good though, because we we whatever
28:08
we're right about, we are right for ourselves. But the problem is just
28:14
making everybody else have to see it our way. And that's what we got
28:17
in trouble. Right, that's so, it's good. It's good. Now,
28:19
do you guys do any shows with about aliens? What do you think
28:23
about that? Because I've done a few shows about that, and I've had
28:26
some people that have taken it like to places where I'm like, whoa,
28:32
you know what I mean, Like, I'm like, I'm open. I'm
28:34
totally open, you know, And like you said, I want to give
28:37
everybody a platform if they're what they're talking about is interesting, but I don't
28:41
know, you know, if I believe it or you know, I don't
28:45
think they're lying. I think they're having an experience. You know. That's
28:48
kind of thing, you know. Right, So what do you guys think
28:52
about that? Do you do shows around that? We we try to keep
29:00
our podcast more uplifting, so we haven't really done you know, you get
29:03
pro yeah, go ahead. That we have had like we had Elizabeth april
29:14
On, who is a very well renowned Star Seed advocate, collected council kind
29:19
of person, and she she was fascinating talking about aliens and things like that
29:26
and and people different civilizations in different star systems and they're here to help and
29:33
all that kind of stuff and super fascinating. I'm not sure what I feel
29:37
about it, but so to this day, I tell everybody, all my
29:41
friends, I'm ready to see a UFO or uf paper calling them now.
29:47
However, if I wake up in the middle of night and there's an alien
29:49
standing by my bed, I'm going to have a heart attack. So I'm
29:52
not ready for that, but I am ready for a UFO right now.
29:56
We've also had other people that come on the show that that do see uh
30:00
the C five events. I don't know that. I'm not familiar with that.
30:06
What is that? So apparently it's a it's a it's like it's a
30:10
Close Encounters of the fifth kind where you actually consciously call them to you.
30:15
So they she leads people out into somewhere and they all sit and meditate and
30:21
they actually call the the ets or the UFOs to them. And apparently nine
30:27
out of ten times if they do this, they'll see something. Something will
30:32
happen. And that's interesting me because, like I said, I'm ready,
30:36
but if an alien steps towards me, then I'm gonna be in the car.
30:41
Because you're ready, not ready? Yeah, I'm ready, not ready?
30:45
Yes, I'm ready, Yeah, not ready? Yeah, you're ready.
30:47
Not right. Well, I have a regular guest, Reverend Gregory Passman,
30:51
who's on my show all the time, and he's a channeler and he
30:52
channels the archangels and some sparraguys, but he also channels like the Venusians,
30:59
a few of them. They are all here to help. So I love
31:03
his messages because I get to talk to whomever he's channeling, which is really
31:07
kind of cool, you know, and I get to ask like all those
31:10
questions. Yeah, So I was just curious because because I know, you
31:12
guys compare yourselves to the X File, So I was just like, I
31:15
wonder, like, what kai like deep dives they've taken on some of them
31:19
on some of their shows. Yeah, we've done Bigfoot, We've done all
31:25
that, We've done aliens, UFOs, we've done well, reverse speech,
31:30
I would consider it be we've done remote viewing, and we do run the
31:33
gamut. But yeah, the show has really kind of evolved into more of
31:37
a spiritual exploration where we're now not looking at I mean we are, but
31:45
we're not really focusing on paranormal stuff, ghosts and that kind of stuff,
31:49
but rather how do we grow as humans and souls so that we can spiritually
31:59
awaken, and that's that's really calling to me now because I really need it.
32:05
Yeah, yeah, we do need it, and we all need it.
32:07
I think that's why we're seeing a lot of what's happening in the world
32:10
being brought to light, right, so that it can be healed. And
32:15
so where do you too, think that our consciousness is going? I mean
32:19
you talk about something about the the butterfly, like how the butterfly teaches us
32:23
that we're all connected. So where do where do you guys think we're growing
32:28
and going as a species and as a consciousness. Oh godshaker, Oh that's
32:38
a good question, you know. I I where we're going? I don't
32:45
know, like like in general or after this life in general? Like do
32:49
you feel okay? So let me make it clear. Do you feel like
32:52
we're grown and it's getting better? Because some people are. I am always
32:58
on the side of hope, right, I'm always like looking for the light.
33:00
I'm always looking for that, even though we see a lot of darkness.
33:05
Don't focus on that, you know, where the creators of our reality,
33:08
we need to like consciously focus on more love and peace and healing and
33:14
that the earth will follow suit as we all, you know, create our
33:19
own reality of what we want earth to be. But some people are the
33:21
doomsday people and they get scared and that's what they focus on. So where
33:25
do you from both of your experiences doing the podcast and your own personal experience
33:30
is what do you think is going on or where we're going? Does that
33:35
help? Does that help a little bit both more more aligned kind of with
33:40
your thought process, you know, more towards the hope, the growing the
33:45
we have Again, you know, we talked to the people that channel the
33:46
aliens and they are here to help us to the next level sort of thing,
33:52
spirit guides and all of that. I believe it's it's very much,
33:54
but it can be hard because you see all of this negative stuff happening in
33:59
the world, and you know, it's like, well, you don't want
34:02
to just shut out the news and not have any idea what's going on,
34:06
because that's that's not helpful. And we actually spoke put someone a while ago
34:09
and said, when you see that, it can actually help promote love because
34:15
you see these horrible situations happening, and you're you take that and send them
34:19
your love instead of blogging out and not thinking about it. Just send that
34:22
energy and everyone's doing that. All of those and energies are connecting and it
34:25
will raise the overall energy of the globe, which I think is what the
34:30
goal and the intention is. Yeah, okay, and well I think that
34:37
to address the other part of your question about those are human gloom, I'm
34:43
not sure if you ever saw the movie What Dreams May Come. Yeah,
34:46
it's a movie, Okay, It's based on Richard Mathison the story, which
34:52
was incredible, but basically, this band's wife commits suicide and he goes to
34:58
the afterlife to find your because uh, yeah, you want to, only
35:02
to find her in a terrible place in the afterlife where she is all doom
35:08
and gloom. So my thought process falls right in line with that. There
35:14
were all these different heavens that people went to depending on what their experience of
35:20
what they thought would happen when you die, So whether you were, whether
35:24
you are here on this planet, and we are creating your reality moving forward.
35:28
I do feel that our our consciousness is if we are in multiple dimensions,
35:32
are splitting. So those that are doom and gloom are going to live
35:37
in a world that is all doom and gloom, and it's and you're there
35:40
quickly evolving in that direction. And we see it happening as we speak right
35:45
now, where those of us who are believing that we're going to go to
35:50
a better place are actually evolving to that better place because the universe is going
35:54
to say, oh, this is what you want. Okay, let's make
35:58
it happen for you, because that's what the universe does all the time.
36:01
Yeah. And then there's I'm sure you both know that theory that the Earth
36:05
is splitting. The three D is going in one direction and then the five
36:08
day is going in another, you know, in another yeah, which is
36:13
fascinating also, it is, And that goes right in line with kind of
36:16
what what I'm what I was saying, what I was thinking, because I
36:19
mean, they're finding new species of animals all the time now that they hadn't
36:22
found before, and they're thinking that those are these species that are actually five
36:27
D species that we're able to now see. They've been there all along,
36:30
but we now were moving up we can see them now. And then those
36:34
that are kind of I mean, this is this sounds cold and heartless,
36:37
and I do not mean it this way at all, but what they're saying
36:40
is those that are going extinct, possibly are three D animals that we are
36:45
losing the ability for us to see because they're sticking to that dimension. That's
36:50
that's yeah, yeah, crazy, I've heard that. I've heard that too.
36:52
Yeah, it is interesting. So what is the what did you ask
36:58
the question? How the butterfly teaches us that we're all connected? What do
37:00
you mean by that? How does the butterfly touch that? Love butterflies?
37:06
Butterflies are very important in my family. I have a tattoo of the butterflies.
37:09
So I love butterflies. Yeah, go ahead, you know I'm so.
37:16
I'm a guy, and I'm going to go contrary to what my main
37:22
card says is to do and say. But I will tell you that the
37:24
butterfly is my spirit animal. We were I was in a whitewater rafting trip.
37:31
And if you've ever gone whitewater rafting, you go through periods of sheer
37:35
panic where you feel you're going to die, followed by followed by really calm
37:40
water that makes things like lets you catch your breath and your heart break to
37:45
go down and and and calms you down a little bit. But right before
37:50
you go, oh my god, here we go again, and go back
37:51
down the rapids in your fear and for your life again. Well, in
37:53
this one particular moment where we were had gone over some particularly fickle rapids and
38:01
opened up to this beautiful open area in the canyon. It was so still
38:07
and quiet, it was so beautiful, and a butterfly, a single monarch
38:10
butterfly, started flitting around. We had two boats flitting around, both of
38:15
our boats, and everyone's sticking their finger up, going, oh, land
38:17
on my finger, land my finger, because they had nowhere to land.
38:21
And I'm like, oh, yeah, right, whatever you like. Butterfly
38:22
is gonna risk its life and land on any of our fingers. But something
38:25
inside me at that precise moment said to me, will put up your finger.
38:30
It's landing on yours. And before I knew it, my finger was
38:32
up in the air and as soon as I did it, I'll be dan.
38:36
But that butterfly landed on my finger. Well, that moment, everyone
38:40
was asking, oh my gosh, how did you get it to land on
38:43
your finger? How'd you do that? Whatever? I heard none of that
38:45
because I went into this tunnel where I was so that butterfly was looking directly
38:52
into my eyes, and I was looking directly into its eyes, and we
38:57
were connected as one and there was nothing else in existence, but it's an
39:01
eye in the canyon and the nature around me. And it was an experienced
39:07
set that I've never experienced since or before. But I had no doubt that
39:14
that butterfly and I were the same. We were the same. Yeah,
39:16
we're just in different bodies. And just as quickly that happened and it stopped,
39:22
and it just flitted away. And I've been chasing that connection my entire
39:29
life after that. Yeah, I think we all get those deep insights and
39:35
they're very fleeting and they don't last, and it's just a little spark that
39:39
says, you know, it makes us think and go hmm, you know
39:43
where it's something you know. You can't prove it, you can't you know,
39:45
but you just you just know it. So do both of you,
39:51
Karen, do you believe in and the other realms? Like you know,
39:54
all the mythical creatures, so there's the dragons and the mermaids and the fairies
39:59
and all that. Do you believe in those realms? Do you think that
40:01
that's that that's real? Real? You know, I think I do.
40:07
I kind of believe in everything yeah, me too. But that being said,
40:13
it's not like someone tells you something. You know, I'm like,
40:14
oh, yeah, you know, but I mean it is and we create
40:19
our own reality and and you know, I can't say what's not up there
40:22
if I don't or there if I haven't experienced it myself. Yeah, so
40:27
you will learn that it's a possibility at least that's it's it's definitely absolutely.
40:31
We were well and I were speaking a while ago, and at the time
40:36
he had a fear of death. You know what if it turned off the
40:38
light and that's it. That's the possibility. But isn't feel better to believe
40:44
that there's more than that? So yeah, kind of how I stand.
40:50
Yeah, well, I don't know if either of you have ever had the
40:52
experience of getting signs from a loved one who's passed on, because I oh,
40:57
yeah, and yeah, right, well have you have you had that
41:00
personal experience. I've been super lucky in that I had not had a lot
41:06
of people close to me pass away. I know Karen has very very strongly,
41:09
but I do. I have a hard time with the unicorns and the
41:13
fairies and things. I do. I have a hard time with them,
41:15
but I can't. I can't discount it. I've learned so much over the
41:19
last three years. You should say that if I didn't truly believe that Unicorn
41:22
existed, I wouldn't be poked in the side by one the next day,
41:25
you know. But it hasn't happened, so it's hard for me. Yeah,
41:30
you're a skeptic. You're a skeptic. That's the skeptic right there,
41:35
right until you see it yourself. Yeah. Well, I've had a few
41:38
experiences with that realm and they were very real to me. I'm not going
41:44
to try to convince you that they were, but I have seen things,
41:46
and I've had experiences, so yes, in that very realm, which is
41:51
wild and I don't usually share it a lot, but I'm not embarrassed about
41:54
anything in my life at this point. But yeah, so I've had a
41:58
couple of experiences that were really, really wild and unexplainable. Yeah, unexplainable.
42:05
Now you got me all wondering what happened. I need to know because
42:07
I'm I think, well, I think I'm coming on your show, right,
42:13
aren't I coming on your show at some point in the future, And
42:16
I think I am. So we'll talk then and I'll share it. I
42:21
can't wait to greell you on it because I need to know. I need
42:23
to know. Yeah, well sure it's wild. Yeah, but so you
42:30
haven't Okay, well, luckily you haven't had anybody close to you. But
42:35
yeah, we've had I've had some wild experiences with getting signs from loved ones
42:38
who have passed away. And my most recent is my sister passed away a
42:44
year and a half ago, a sister who's special needs, and my mother
42:47
and I and my other sister, we get signs from Tony, my sister,
42:52
Tony like crazy, like crazy all the time, you know, which
42:54
is wild. So that to me is really really fascinating. And like when
43:00
Karen said that you were afraid of death, like what if this is the
43:02
end and the lights just go out and that's it. I mean, you
43:06
know, I'm hoping that, you know, it makes me feel more comfortable
43:10
because I've had those experiences that make me think that there's just in a way
43:15
that the lights just go out and that's it. Yeah, I need to
43:20
come around. Is that? Yeah? I have. I have come around,
43:22
but like I really want to have those signs. So my grandmother passed
43:28
away very long time ago. So I've not ever seen a sign or anything
43:30
like that, but but I have seen Karen reacts to signs. Yeah,
43:37
and so it's hard for me to say that's not real because it's been things
43:40
that really make you stand up and go, what right, that's kind of
43:45
weird. I always wanted to have, Yeah, Karen, I would love
43:50
to hear of like an experience that you had. What do you think will
43:54
the magnolia's the nails? This is the Magnalia's Okay. So my best friend
44:01
passed away. It was a year and left May, and we were very
44:05
very and we were the anthropology girls that you know, were real arty and
44:10
yeah. So it was about a week after she passed I'm like, all
44:14
right, I need to see a sign. And I said, send me
44:16
Magnolia because we used to use this Magnolia oil as perfume. And then I
44:21
just put that out there. So the next so I went to bed.
44:22
It was that night I went to bed, and the next morning I wake
44:24
up and I hear my phone like a text ring in So I turn it
44:29
on and it's a big photograph of the Magnolia. And I looked at the
44:32
text and it's from my mom and she's like, good morning, honey.
44:36
I was taking a walk today and for some reason, I felt compelled to
44:38
send you this picture. She took a picture of this magnolia that she saw,
44:43
I mean, And then then that day, the whole rest of the
44:45
day, I had a job that I was doing. I'm a freelancer and
44:47
the job was on Magnolia Road, just like oh yeah, yeah, Cyant,
44:55
No, you can't deny it. Yeah, that's your best friend going,
44:59
I'm here right next to you, you know, like you just can't
45:01
yeah, you just can't see me. Yeah, those are those are very
45:06
comforting experiences when you've lost someone. And obviously, Karen, you know,
45:09
if you lost your best friend, you know, probably like a sister to
45:13
you. You know, it's it's terrible, right, It's very painful.
45:15
So it's comforting to get science from them. So yeah, so will you
45:20
just got to ask for more signs from like your spirit guides or like you
45:24
know, maybe your grandmother or ancestors, so that you can be like open
45:30
to the experience and then you could share it on your show and then we'll
45:34
take your own advice and explain it away. Yeah, that's the problem,
45:39
that's the rub right. It has to be in such a way that it
45:43
is undeniable. So it's tough. But I will say I have been asking
45:46
more and I have been getting more, not from loved ones, but rather
45:51
from angels of the universe or yeah, ever, synchronicities, right, things
45:54
that I can't explain away. But the more I talk about this with people,
46:00
the more I mean, I really, I really want to see these
46:02
things. Got one experience things like I wanted to ask to project my entire
46:07
life, never being able to do it. Well, everyone's telling me I'm
46:10
wanting it too much. Stop wanting it and it might happen to you.
46:14
Well, then what's the point of wanting something if it's not going to happen,
46:16
and it's going to happen if you don't want it, like I don't
46:19
want what I don't want? I want to Well, I think it's the
46:23
wanting it is, Okay, it's the attachment to it that where we get
46:30
in our own way. So you desire something like I'm sure you've heard Abraham
46:34
Hicks, right, you launch your desire into the universe. But then you
46:38
have to say, okay, I launched it and know that it's going to
46:42
happen and then don't be attached to it, and then one day you'll have
46:46
the experience. Right. So it's so easy to say, but not so
46:51
easy to do, because I'll do that and I'll send it. I'll send
46:53
it off and I won't look at it. And then you know, every
46:55
once aile I got a peek over it, is it coming? Yes,
47:00
I'm exactly I know. And that's why you know what Louis I listened to
47:07
used to listen to Louise Hey all the time, and she said something that
47:10
totally resonated with me, and ever since then, it makes my mind shut
47:15
up a lot easier. Like if you ever go to a restaurant and you
47:16
order your you order food or you order drinks. You don't get up from
47:21
your table and go into the kitchen and ask you this chef, like what
47:24
are you doing? Why is it taking so long? What's it going to
47:27
be? Put it like this? The plate has to look like that,
47:30
right. You don't do that. You sit there, take it a long
47:37
time of my that well, you might say, yeah, but you don't
47:39
go in the kitchen and like design it. You have faith that your plate
47:45
is going to be delivered in front of you, right, And so that's
47:46
how I try to think of now something I'm working on manifesting. I put
47:51
it out there and I have faith that the universe is going to deliver it
47:54
to me, right, instead of just asking when? When? Why?
47:58
How? You know? Because that's what we do. I love that.
48:00
I love that. That's a great way to look at it. Absolutely,
48:04
Yeah, just say I placed my order. That's all you have to tell
48:07
yourself. I placed my order. And the gourmet restaurant, not fast food,
48:13
Yes, exactly exactly. You're at a five star Michelin whatever restaurant,
48:19
right, so yeah, yeah, So is there anything that you guys,
48:23
we only have a minute before we wrap up. Is there anything that you
48:25
guys want to share that we didn't get to and tell everybody where they can
48:30
listen to your podcast and find you. Gosh, I would just say,
48:37
like this what I want to share. One thing is when you show love,
48:42
you become love. So show love, give compliments, be kind to
48:45
people. That's like that. I love that, okay, and will so.
48:51
I think most of the people that would be listening to this are already
48:54
on board. But if there's anyone out there that is kind of on the
48:58
fence that isn't sure. I will say this, take it from someone who
49:01
was there. The more you allow yourself to open to the possibility of things
49:08
outside of what you consider to be normal or real, the more that that
49:14
reality, that out of the norm reality will present itself to you to show
49:17
you that, hey, you're going the right direction. It's pretty amazing and
49:23
if anybody wants to check out the show, all you need to do.
49:25
We're on every possible podcast platform known the man, but you can find more
49:34
of us blogs and videos and all kinds of things on at Skepticmanaphysition dot com,
49:39
which is our website address. Thank you so much, Will and Karen.
49:43
It was such a delight talking to you both, and I can't wait
49:45
to continue the conversation on your show. All right, everybody, thanks for
49:50
listening to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa creating the life you crave, and
49:53
I'm wishing everyone a wonderful week filled with joy, abundance and love. Peace. Who cou