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Animals, Energy & Healing: Insights from an Animal Communicator and Energy Worker · Back In The Closet - Two Crazy Cat Ladies

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I'm Jay, I'm Adrian, and together we are crazy girl
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ladies, I'm going to cut you. I think I just peed.
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Buckle up. We're back in the closet.
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Welcome to another episode of Back in the Closet with the 2
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Crazy Cat ladies guys. So tonight's super special and
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different, right? So typically we have our
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beautiful friend Karen Dindy Smith on with us along with
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Meredith, along with Meredith Tolson and Julie here.
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And we, we typically come on live on our podcast so that they
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will do mini animal communication sessions with you.
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However, this week we said we would like to interview you, you
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specifically and, and, and just solely so that our audience can
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have a better idea of who you are.
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How you came to be so fabulous, Karen, and, and like you always
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have so much value to offer, right?
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Like you, you like with us, you've, you've told us you've
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taught us different ways in which in which we can better
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connect with our cats and we want you to bring that to the
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general public cat community today.
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So we're joined today by Karen Davey Smith.
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Hi, guys. Hi, everyone.
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Big hugs. Good to see you.
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So I think one of the biggest questions, so many people, I
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mean, those those podcasts that we do with the ACC view and
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Meredith, they are some of the biggest podcasts we do.
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And I think it really speaks to the desire we all have to better
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understand our cats, to better understand, you know, a purpose
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and all, you know, all those bigger picture things.
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Very curious how this came about on your path because you did
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not, you know, grow up being like, when I grow up, I'm going
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to be a animal communicator. No, no, no.
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On. A completely different path
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weren't. You.
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And how this came to be? It's so funny when I think about
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when I was a kid. I mean, I always loved those
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movies by Doctor Dolittle, the old ones that were musicals.
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And I don't even, I remember just watching them thinking, I
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believe that that's a possibility.
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I just don't know how you do it. But that was as far as that
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went. Although I always saw like auras
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and lights around people. I believe it or not, I laid down
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in bed when I was a little kid and I'd float my body out of my,
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my soul out of my body and kind of like float around and ask for
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projection. But I never told anybody that
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stuff, you know? And I just kind of let it all go
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away, you know, for fear of being thought that I should was
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nuts. And so.
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Burned at the states or something?
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You know, yeah. So you kind of like park all
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that stuff and then you grow up and you in.
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Art was a thing for me and so secretly effective.
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I want to be a psychologist, a lawyer or an artist.
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And I went with art because I, I guess I have a little dyslexia
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and I could not read a book straight through and retain
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anything. So art was the way for me and so
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I went. So I became a graphic designer
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and, and founded a, a branding company in Boston and had that
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going on for 28 years. Actually went to grad school for
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it in Switzerland. The whole big deal.
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Like I was like on the awards winning path and my, my work was
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in books, like the whole thing. And all along the way I always
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just dabbled in the spiritual stuff and kept one eye toe in
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there and one eye and one toe, you know, kind of like.
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And at one point I was, it was an interesting part of my life.
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I was was my first marriage was going to hell in a handbasket.
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I think I can say that right without getting terrible.
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And I was over working out to try to look fabulous and lean
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and hurt myself working out. And three totally different
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people who didn't even know each other all recommended me to go
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see Paul Frazier, who you guys know, who became my FirstEnergy
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teacher. And I thought, OK, three
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different people, I guess I'm going to listen to this all in
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one week, who don't know each other, all gave me the same
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name. That's kind of crazy.
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Wow. That's a sign.
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That's a sign with a baseball bat.
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So walked in, saw him, we looked at him and he said it's so good
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to see you, not it's nice to meet you.
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It's so good to see you. And it was like he and we talked
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about this later on that he knew I was coming.
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He knew he knew me from other lives and he just had this
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feeling that we were he was going to have a reunion with
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someone and it was me. So I'm crazy, right?
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He helped me dramatic in so many ways.
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He became my teacher. I learned Qigong from him.
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Then he taught, brought me to meet Master O, who you guys know
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about too, the the founder of Pangu Shang Gong.
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I've been studying with him for 25 years.
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And all of that in even while I was doing all the businessy
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stuff opened back up my intuition.
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I opened it back up where was treating people and teaching
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them Qigong on the side and the animals would just kind of hover
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around wanting an energy treatment.
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And I thought, that's kind of cool.
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And then I walked in, I had to go to awake and I and I could
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hear the person who passed greeting everyone at the door.
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And then I was like, OK, something's happening.
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OK. So the Qigong opened all that
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stuff back up for me. So it's.
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Wrong before animal communication.
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Before animal communication. Way before.
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For people that are listening, what is Penguin?
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What say? That Yeah.
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Well, can you explain what Qigong is too?
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Because I didn't know when you first used us.
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OK, so Qigong basically means Qi is life.
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It's it's intuitive, it's intelligent energy force that
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governs the universe. It's different than our life
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force, but it has this intelligence to it that is kind
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of divinely inspired, right? It's divinely created.
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So it has this intelligence. It marries with our life force
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when we cultivate it. Like we can meditate and call in
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the chi that supports the, the life, the the universe.
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And gong means practice over a lifetime.
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So energy cultivation over a lifetime, Qigong and Tai chi,
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yoga, There's hundreds and hundreds of forms of Qi gong.
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And the one that I learned particularly, I mean, I've
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learned Tai chi and a whole bunch of other ones.
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But the one that I really love and keep going back to is Pan Gu
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Sheng Gong. That's a particular form where
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you're cultivating very special energy into your system to help
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you heal and be in harmony. That's what you guys learned.
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That's what Adrian does, Yeah. Oh wow, I'm obviously a fetus
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when it comes. To.
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Continue so that's why Nick Paul Frazier and really being opened
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back up to kind of the big perspective and picture is it
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happened first while you were still.
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Still. Business exec and travelling the
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world doing all these. Wow.
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Yeah, yeah. So.
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Brought it over to animals. Like what?
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What made you take that? The animal communication.
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So basically Long story short I my it all was happening all the
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same time and as I was getting married to my second husband who
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you know he's my 2 point O upgrade and a keeper he I
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started having these dreams that my cat from college Dusty was
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coming back to me. There was these weird crazy
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dreams for three weeks and three weeks later my brother calls me
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and says I found a three-week old cat in the middle of the
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divided highway in Florida. And in my dream we were trying
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to get to each other across it looked like a crazy battle where
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there are things whizzing in between us.
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So I was like, I think that's dusty.
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I have still no animal communication in my background
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yet. He we fly him back and I think
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that's Dusty. Come back as now hockey puck,
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who everybody's heard about, hockey pot, who knows me, and he
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was with me for 15 years and the minute I opened the crate, I
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could see I knew it was Dusty reincarnated.
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So he was my teacher for a long time, even before I started down
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the animal communication path. But when he was in his older
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age, I had found my first mentor, Marsha Zais, who really
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helped me take some classes and start to open back up my own
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intuition and communicate with animals because one of our cats,
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Morris, had passed away of a brain tumor.
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And Morris had reached out to me in a dream.
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Again in these dreams when I was away on a vacation, telling me
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that he was sick and that he was not going to make it.
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And when I got home 2 weeks later, he had to, we had to
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assist in helping him pass because of a brain tumor.
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So that was my first realization that wait, they can they're he's
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like, they're literally talking to me.
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And so I had, you know, 5 or 6 years with hockey puck to
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practice this a little bit. And when he passed away, I was
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so devastated that I went online and I found my first full time
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like teacher and I went back to school and her school was
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Daniel, the Danielle McKinnon school.
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And I became professionally certified.
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And that was in 2018 after he passed.
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And I was just driven at that point because I just needed to
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round up the whole thing that I was doing.
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It's because of him. But I actually went back to
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school to learn the real two way conversation.
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Wow, so so once you started to learn these things, did it?
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Did it like, what does animal communication like in practice
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now look like? Is it still dreams or was it
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only ever dreams before this and now that you kind of learned?
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You cultivated. It yeah, does.
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It does. Does this come in, like, is it,
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you know, pictures do you see, you know, like, like, yeah,
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visions of. I see visions of butter cups
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floating in my head, no. Well, that during like the mini
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readings, you always take a moment to bite, yes, you
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wouldn't bite the animal they become getting in and how you
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mentioned just recently on that on the beautiful fire president
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that we did for me Commission me out this past weekend that all
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animals have free will so they can choose to not. 100% they can
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choose to not and they but I mean their willingness to engage
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is there, you know, they want to share, but when we push they
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there they go too much energy and they back away.
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What's going on? Friday, I'm sorry for those that
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you guys, they were listening. Friday just threw no Zorro.
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Oh, Zorro. Just just threw.
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Just threw. Some boots at me.
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It almost has. Something to say, Oh my God.
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Here and help us. Maybe we'll ask him what the
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heck that was about in a minute. So what the heck was Zorro?
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You broke my train of thought. So what does?
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It look like now like when you're when you are
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communicating or Yeah. And and voluntary now are you
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able to like, hold like, are you able to like, like not walk down
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the street and every animal is talking to you or like, you
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know, like what, what? Yeah, Well, OK, boundaries.
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That's one of the things I learned right away in school was
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energy management and boundaries.
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I can't do that with people. Well, much easier with animals
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than people, first of all. But the animals teach us how to
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build our boundaries so that we can use them with people, right?
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Yeah. So basically communicating with
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an with animals is a little bit different in that it did start
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out for me as dreams, but we all get this.
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We don't realize we're getting it.
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We're all of a sudden we're thinking about our animal and we
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have a sense that they might be hungry or they have to go
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outside or that they're, they, we're waiting, they're waiting
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for us at the door and we just know they're going to be, that's
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all. Animal communication or
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telepathic communication is what I'm going to call it because
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it's, it's telepathic communication.
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That's what's happening. And telepathy works between all
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living things. I mean, you can even work with
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the plants and it has, I mean, I've talked, I've talked to a
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few trees that were really fascinating actually.
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But with the animals, you really to get them to share with you,
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it's about realizing you're asking them to share.
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And there's a way. And it's, it's like lightening
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up your frequency and your energy and your opening up your
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senses to a lighter, more receptive state.
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And it's easier probably people are going, well, how the heck do
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you do that? And the way to do that is to
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manage your energy. And managing your energy really
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means stop racing your mind and pushing.
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Like when we speak to each other, you can almost feel it.
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You kind of project yourself out to try to get to the other
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person. And when you're working with
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animals, you literally have to sit back and drop down in your
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system and then from your heart up, let it open.
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So you're dropped down. And then you just kind of let
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this part of you open your heart, your third eye, your
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mind, the top of your head, and you get into a place of a little
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more of a peace and calm place. And once you're in that place,
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then from your heart you can start to set desires,
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intentions, send pictures from your head, but you're offering
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them gently as opposed to talking at each other.
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Right. I love that.
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So you have to let stuff float out of you towards them and then
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let the stuff float out of them toward, back toward you and
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trust that when it hits you, it hits you like you all of a
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sudden you just get a, you'll get a crazy image or you'll hear
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a strange word or an emotional feeling will come over you.
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And that's that's what I'm describing when I'm doing the
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readings. Wow, is the energy draining
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because I know like there have been so many times where it's
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like a dream, a thought, a whatever, and it's an
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overwhelming feeling that I have.
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But then there's that like that trust part that you said, like
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that trust part of like, is this real or am I just making shit up
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in my head? You know, like, like like a PTSD
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thing that Adrian deals a lot with our cats, right?
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Like it's a, it's a, it's a, you know, it's like a chatter in
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your head. It feels like it just becomes a
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chatter in your head. And then you're like, I can't
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trust it. Yeah.
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Well, think about it like this. You have to engage your
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imagination in order to trust your intuition.
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So the first step of opening up your intuition is allowing your
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imagination, right? Because a lot of this is, I'm
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imagining the cat is in front of me.
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I'm imagining that I'm sending stuff to them.
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So now your imagination is open and flowing.
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It's like daydreaming a little bit.
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So you're in a calm, open state when you go into imagination.
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But being in an imaginative state is what allows the stuff
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to come in because your imagination, you know, your
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creative, your creativity, your imagination is one part of your
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brain and it and it's, you know, right.
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So if you're in this like real concrete thinking, drawing the
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numbers thing, what is it? The left side of the brain
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that's that's going to clamp down the imagination.
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The imagination comes from that creative side of the brain.
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Right, that word actually, I mean, it feels like it almost
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simplifies imagination, like if you think about all you know
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when you think about a bigger perspective of being able to
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telepathically. Right.
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Which I know that a lot of people have had that experience.
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I know that, you know, if you know someone long enough, Jay
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and I don't have to talk about a lot, right?
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And third parties sometimes are like, get a little bit
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frustrated with it because they're like, how did you just
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have that conversation? But to me, the way you know.
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You know, like we've been like best friends for 2324 years.
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Would just, you know, which makes sense though, that if you
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have a sense of being this, this connection to a oneness or a
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connection to understanding that there's something bigger.
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I know a lot of people like I used to just kind of shut down
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with that. It's like, oh, right, that's a
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thing. But you think about all the
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things that we use and do they that require us to use things
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that we do not understand, You know, whether it's our cell
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phones, whether it's ChatGPT, you know, you can't conceive of
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it. So there is that element of of
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imagination. So I think that great word for
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it is like this much. There's so much to that as far
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as being open to it. I'm sorry.
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There's such power in our minds. We don't realize how much when
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we start to desire things from a real positive perspective, we
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are manifesting, which is we're connecting into like this higher
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frequency. And one of the things that I
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love that I learned from Paul early on that works here too, is
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he said attention. When you put your attention on
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something, you organize it, right?
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No, Put your attention on something and you energize it,
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right? Right.
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Put your intention into what you're paying attention to and
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it organizes differently. It gets organized.
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So if I put my attention on a cat, they feel it, for example.
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If I put my intention into that attention, it organizes the
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frequencies and they feel sense understand it and and similarly
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back. Wow.
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That's a great way to. That is a great way to like
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understand it. Wow.
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Yeah, because nothing is solid. We think everything is solid,
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but actually nothing is solid. It's just denser frequency
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holding things together. We think we're solid, so we
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believe it, but we're not right? It's why our wave radio waves
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can move through US or our cortisol can like reach out and
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and an animal can smell it or our energy bodies, which we
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talked about our way bigger than our regular bodies, which is why
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you walk into a room and you're not even near the person who's
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kind of an ornery a hole and you can the whole energy in the room
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shifts because you feel the static from it.
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So there's that. There there.
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Is that going on even with telepathy and communication with
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animals? Yeah, yeah.
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And I think we all understand that.
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Like, we all know what it feels like.
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You guys have explained that before, too, and others, Doctor
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Barry Sands has talked about it too.
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But like how you walk into a you walk into a room or into, you
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know, an environment and you can tell it could be somebody that
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you love, but you can tell. I I mean, like, we also like,
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right. Like when her energy's off, it's
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like a. Yeah, you feel it, right?
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There's a there's a shift in the force.
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This. Or do I walk away and let her
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breathe? Which is a better option?
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But it's, you know, it's, it's, it's something that we all
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understand as humans is when we is understanding each other's
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energy, when you're like that person, just, they just, they
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didn't resonate with me. They just had bad energy or that
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person has the best energy ever. Like I want to be more, I want
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to be around that person more often because I love their
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energy, right? We, we all, we've all
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experienced that. So that's that.
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I have another question. Yes.
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When it comes to SO, you are an animal communicator.
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You're not just a cat communicator, right?
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You have spoken with spiders. You have spoken with like like
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snakes and goats and like animals.
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Oh yeah, Oh my God, goats. I have a a goat story.
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So, but my question is, do they to you?
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And I know it's probably different to everybody, right?
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Like that communicates with animals, but do they have like a
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different voice? Like do you have any like do
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they do they have like a different tone?
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Do they have like a different like, do they seem to come at
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you? You know, like the cartoon hat
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is like a sneaky sly whatever, and the dog is like, you know,
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or, or the OR the like donkey is like, you know, like.
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I don't know, I want to do more of that please.
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Yeah, I'm going to. I'm going.
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To Denise is seriously have to talk about the goats too.
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Goats. Yes.
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I am going to tell the goat story.
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And I just want to tell you, Lori Christine, that she says
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she sits and thinks about her Kitty, Nathan, and asks him to
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sit by her. And he would more often than not
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come sit by me. Yeah.
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Because he feels your, your desire and your intention and
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your invitation. And he goes, OK, I'd like to do
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that. And he does.
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I have a quick story which I. Like I.
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I never thought, I never thought about it as like animal
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communication or I I don't even think that I like cognitively
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thought of it as as energy. I just thought of blessed.
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But when I lived, I lived in France for a little while in Ken
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France, and I was alone and I it was a beautiful like flat on
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the, on the Mediterranean Sea. I had a.
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Tough life. Yeah, I know.
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Really. OK, Pam.
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Yeah, it actually. Was though because the.
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French. Well, it was because the French
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stuck. And Jaden speak to.
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Anything. Oh well, there's.
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Your fry and we're not having it anyway, but I would sit out on
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my balcony in the morning and have my espresso and, you know,
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just look at the at the sea and, and talk to the birds, right,
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Because there were and all of that.
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And I would always have some kind of like bread because, you
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know, I love bread and French croissant something.
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And, and I started, I fed and I guess this is what I thought.
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I thought just because I fed, but I, I started feeding.
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There's this dove that came down and landed on my table right in
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front of me outside. And it was a footless dove.
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It had no feet. It was just two little nubs,
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right. And I was like, Oh my God, I
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love you, You know, of course it, it, all of us in the
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community are like that. You know, you have like special
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needs anything. And you're like, you're my
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favorite. Yeah, but every single morning I
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would go out there and that one dove would come back and land on
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my on either my railing or on the table.
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And I would sometimes feed him. Sometimes I didn't have
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anything. But we would hang out together
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every morning. And it was like my he was she.
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It was my like bestie. I was like, this is my best
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friends, but let's dove. That's fabulous.
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The only one that would communicate with me.
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Aw, yeah, well, she felt it. She felt you're a camaraderie,
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you know, the camaraderie, right?
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But it's. The energy, right, It's yeah.
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Yeah, it's totally the energy. Understanding it better, it
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wasn't just 'cause I gave her the first time and so she kept
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coming back, but it was like that.
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It was that energy that was like, OK, we can, we can do this
23:57
together. OK, OK.
23:58
Tell us. Do they?
23:59
Speak. Do they speak in different ways?
24:00
Can you? Tell so OK, so the think of
24:04
animals or individuals just like we are, does that mean that a
24:09
species doesn't have a certain reason for being on the planet?
24:14
No, like there are there is a collective consciousness to all
24:17
the different species, right? There's an overarching
24:20
collective consciousness to each layer of creation that's here.
24:26
But I'm going to get kind of way woo.
24:28
So beyond the animals woo, but which you know, the little bit
24:33
of behind the veil, I've gotten to been given a little
24:37
information on it. I will say that none of us here
24:40
know the the total truth, right? There's just no way.
24:44
So somebody I believe that somebody who says, I know the
24:47
answer. This is what it is.
24:49
That's that there's no way. There's just no way.
24:53
It's not the place for that. There's not, yeah.
24:56
But the little bits that I've been able to understand that I
25:00
keep getting are that there is a reason why the construct is the
25:06
construct. There is a reason why there are
25:08
different kinds of species all on the planet learning to
25:11
coexist and from each other. That there is different kinds of
25:15
wisdom from different kinds of species in in mass that are
25:20
affecting the planet, the layers, the growth, evolution of
25:23
the whole humanity. That said, individual cats, I've
25:30
talked to cats who sound like dogs and dogs who don't sound
25:33
like dogs, they sound like cats. Or I've talked to horses that
25:37
sound like humans, you know, So I've had, I've had blackbirds
25:41
come in and I'm literally standing there looking at their
25:44
soul in my head and they come across as a shaman, like as a
25:47
shapeshifter that happens to be inside a bird.
25:49
So you just never know. And that's the part that I love
25:53
about this is the more open I am to knowing I don't know and I
25:59
have no idea what's going to come through, the more I learn
26:03
and the more that comes through. So if I have a preconceived
26:05
notion about all cats are this way.
26:08
Yeah. I don't get as much.
26:10
So there's a bit of humility that you, you have to put this
26:15
to the, the, the humbleness. Before we get to the old story,
26:18
because I, I and Denise here are riveted in in anticipation.
26:24
Do you do you think in in and you've done so much work with
26:28
our community with most specifically, is there some is
26:34
there anything that our that you see as our cats really trying as
26:38
a productive trying really part to their humans?
26:44
I'm going to ask Dia for her help with this.
26:48
Oh, she's sitting right here. Is Karen's cat.
26:51
Is. One of Princess Dia is one of my
26:52
cats. So actually when I asked, you
26:57
know, cat the cat collective, like what is it that you're
27:00
trying to teach society or the humanity of humanity?
27:06
And it is, I mean, one of the things that comes right through
27:08
is presence, presence and sensitivity, being very present
27:15
with being very like the different sensitivities and
27:19
being very conscious and aware of the subtleties that make a
27:24
big difference. You know, cats are very, can be
27:30
very on the surface, they can seem pretty forward, but there's
27:35
a lot of subtlety. And so and with cats, that's
27:39
kind of spiritual subtlety of understanding.
27:41
Sometimes less is a lot more. And being able to be in the flow
27:47
of that gentleness and, and kind of do the dance with them means
27:51
you have to be way more present to the subtleties.
27:54
Yeah, I. Love that.
27:56
That's that's one of the things that I feel like cats are
27:59
teaching that they, I get from them and you know.
28:03
I'll take away today, yeah. You say that's one of the
28:06
lessons that we're learning from our cats.
28:08
Yeah, it is about cats. Everything is.
28:11
I mean, think about it, they look at you and if they just
28:14
blink their eyes like this, there's like means so much, but
28:17
you can miss that or not honor that for them.
28:21
It's, you know, for cats, you really want to honor their
28:24
subtle expressions. Yeah.
28:28
I love that. Yeah.
28:31
OK, tell us about the goat. Tell us about the goat.
28:32
All right, so the goat. Oh my God, I love this goat.
28:35
So. And Meredith was with me for
28:38
this and Jodi Karate. So the three of us were with
28:41
Julie Burke, who you know from Nikolov.
28:43
I love her. So much Oh my God the energy
28:46
around that goat. I know, right?
28:49
So it was, it was someone that she introduced us to and they
28:52
have a sanctuary up in New Hampshire and they had asked us
28:58
to come and talk to the goats because there was one goat that
29:00
just seemed so out of sorts and really cranky all the time and
29:06
hard to get along with on and on.
29:09
And so one of the things that we learned from the goat, her name
29:13
was Mimi and they called her nickname was Screaming Mimi.
29:18
That's what they were calling her.
29:20
I know, sad, right? So one of the things that we
29:25
learned from her was that she really wanted to clarify a
29:31
friend. One of the goats in the group
29:33
had sadly passed, like fallen into the pond in the back of the
29:37
land and and had passed away. And they all thought Mimi had
29:42
pushed her in and they had been playing by the pond and they
29:46
were head doing all that head bunting stuff, but she hadn't
29:49
intentionally pushed her in. They were playing and the other
29:52
goat slipped and fell in and couldn't get out.
29:56
But there's been such anger around this sweet Mimi that
30:01
they, you know, they were like calling her screaming Mimi and
30:03
she wasn't. She just could feel all the
30:06
resentment. So when we talked to her and we
30:10
described from her perspective what happened, and she said,
30:13
please call me Mimi Licious. I'm delicious.
30:17
Please call me Mimi Licious. So I'm getting so many chills
30:22
because Mimi's now in spirit too, so I can kind of feel her
30:25
around me. And so we told the the person
30:29
that and she she kind of got emotional.
30:31
She's like, Oh my God, I've been holding this, you know, I've
30:34
been holding her responsible. And we apologize to Mimi and let
30:39
her know we understood that it wasn't her fault and that she,
30:42
you know, it wasn't her burden to carry anymore.
30:45
And you know, her whole personality changed.
30:48
I heard about a week later that she had become more friendly.
30:51
She was, she would walk up to the person in the in the pen and
30:55
say hello. And her whole demeanor changed.
30:57
She stopped screaming. Oh my God.
31:01
Isn't that amazing? Wow.
31:04
Just with a little understanding.
31:05
Yeah. And gosh, there was another one.
31:08
There was a dog that I worked with at a rescue and they were
31:11
calling him DT, but that was a nickname for an, an actor, Danny
31:18
Trejo, because he had such a like one of those real haggard
31:22
faces. And so they had called named
31:25
this rescue dog DT because he had such a beat up face and kind
31:31
of pigeon holed him as the tough guy.
31:35
So I did a reading for this person who worked for the
31:37
rescue, and he was really upset that they had again, parked him
31:43
in this role that he was unhappy with.
31:46
And she said, yeah, he's very grumbly.
31:47
He won't come out. He isn't friendly with anyone.
31:50
And he said, you're missing my job.
31:53
What's my job? My job is to be really to show
31:57
people that even though hard stuff happens, you can still be
32:01
kind and gentle, to still love to give that you don't have to
32:04
pigeonhole me. And so I said, well, what do you
32:07
want to be called? And he said Midas, Midas, Midas
32:13
because he said it's like it's a surprise that he could come and
32:19
touch, touch people's hearts with gold.
32:22
Like as opposed to being afraid of him and judging him as the
32:26
tough guy, let him show you his kindness and that his presence
32:30
can bring out the gold. Wow, I love it.
32:35
And they changed his name, and she and I got an e-mail a few
32:38
weeks later again saying, wow, he's just come out of his shell.
32:42
He's just a different personality.
32:44
He's just more warm and friendly.
32:45
He likes to greet people at the rescue.
32:48
Yeah. OK, so a follow up question.
32:53
So at the top we were talking a little bit about how you had met
32:57
Paul Frazier while you were still in your exact job and
33:00
doing all that stuff and not you Qigong, will you say it for me
33:04
again? I don't even know it.
33:05
Pen pen. Pen pong guu pong guu sheng
33:09
gong. Pongu sheng gong there you.
33:12
Go. And that's the energy work that
33:14
you really prefer. And I know that Jay and I have
33:16
both experienced that you, you were so powerful and impactful
33:22
in our lives when we were losing our Oliver Twist.
33:26
And you did. We did energy sessions with you.
33:28
We'd never heard of an energy session.
33:30
We didn't know what we were getting into and we certainly
33:33
didn't know that we were going to be quiet for 20 minutes.
33:35
So that was what is happening. Can you explain a little bit
33:40
about, you know, you talked a little bit about how cats are so
33:43
into that that and just how sometimes less is way more for a
33:49
cat. How do you use your energy
33:54
practices in your with cats and how is that?
33:58
Yeah. I don't know exactly what my
34:00
question is, but it's different than animal communication.
34:04
It is yes, it is because it's so the energy work.
34:12
It's all I guess you know what it isn't it isn't it's kind of
34:14
an extension, right, because we all we all feel each other too,
34:18
right. So the way that the energy work
34:22
works is that form of energy. I'm it's not it's not me.
34:27
I'm trying to be the most open, loving conduit I can be.
34:30
It's very similar to Reiki, right?
34:32
So you have to be in a state of through alignment with love
34:38
energy. And the more you can be in that
34:40
place of holding with regard and love the person being plant
34:46
doesn't matter thing that you're trying to offer this energy to
34:51
without any judgement. Here's the thing, right?
34:53
Because it's so much easier to have no judgement with animals
34:57
or fear or upset or whatever than it is with humans.
35:01
So animals are a much better sponge for receiving energy
35:06
because we are more open hearted and giving it.
35:11
So there's no barrier. There isn't really a barrier
35:14
between us the way there is when you're trying to help a human
35:17
who in their mind is still possibly negating what you're
35:21
trying to do. Doesn't think that it's going to
35:22
work, you know, thinks that, you know, you have to do it more.
35:26
For me, all the things, you know, never mind the, the person
35:30
being the healer thinking, well, if they had just stopped eating
35:33
that stuff, I wouldn't have to do this again.
35:34
Or like whatever the the scripts are that we as humans have in
35:38
our heads that you have to try to let go of.
35:42
So there's a lot of that. So that the conduit, the person,
35:46
it counts and matters where their heart and soul is in the
35:51
offering of the energy. Wow.
35:56
Yeah. So there have been times when
35:58
people who have asked me to save energy, and depending on the
36:01
state of mind I'm in, I might have to say I think it would be
36:04
better if we did this tomorrow or another time.
36:06
Because I can't get to a place of neutrality.
36:10
That to be honest, to be really frank and honest, you have to be
36:13
able to be frank and honest with yourself.
36:15
But can you at least be in a place of neutrality?
36:19
Because if you can't, then you're narrowing how much can
36:22
move through. You So how difficult is that in
36:25
your work? Like how difficult is it to keep
36:27
yourself centered enough to be able to connect and and give
36:32
energy and do all of these other things?
36:34
Like how much work do you have to put in per day on yourself?
36:38
And is it work to you? And is it work to you?
36:40
I mean, probably not, but you know, once you get though.
36:43
I have to. For certain people it is work.
36:46
It's really hard. It it is it's hard.
36:48
We're human. I have, I have an ego like we
36:50
live in this world, we have egos.
36:51
There's no way around that particular people who might ask
36:56
me for help. It's harder for me, you know,
36:59
certain family members maybe, or you know, people who you've
37:02
helped multiple times and you're, and they're asking again
37:05
and you're like, well, but that's the, that's, that's a
37:09
lesson for me. And, and coming back to a place
37:11
of compassion as opposed to judgement as well.
37:18
So there are times when it's harder.
37:20
But you know, I've been doing this now for 25 years.
37:24
And part of becoming a good conduit is understanding your
37:27
own stuff. You know, what gets it, what,
37:30
what in you gets in the way? And can you ask for the guidance
37:35
to please Get Me Out of the way? And, and I do a lot of times ask
37:39
as I start the energy sessions. I may not be in the best state
37:44
right now. Maybe I don't feel well or I'm
37:46
distracted. And I will literally say I I
37:49
want to be here 100% for who, whoever I'm helping animal,
37:54
plant, human, please Get Me Out of the way.
37:58
Please help me move me out of the way.
38:01
That should be my prayer every. Morning just.
38:03
Get Me Out of the way please. Just.
38:04
Get Me Out of the way. And and yeah, sometimes it, it,
38:09
it goes, you know, like like whoa.
38:12
And sometimes it takes a little bit for me to like, keep keep
38:15
coming back to focus, keep coming back to my heart center,
38:18
keep deep breathing so that I keep myself out of the way.
38:24
How do you explain what you do to people that think you are
38:28
bonafic crazy, You know, Yeah. Bonafide crazy.
38:32
It's OK. We have some people, you know,
38:36
listening to the podcast just to just to pick it apart and be
38:38
like this is all crazy. How do you you respond to people
38:45
or explain it to people who are skeptics or who just think this
38:49
whole? Or do you give that any energy
38:51
whatsoever? I just try not to give it any
38:53
honest God. I try not to give it any energy
38:56
whatsoever. If somebody really is a skeptic
38:59
and they start giving me the, the side eye, I can pick
39:03
actually, I feel it before they even start.
39:06
I already know before they start asking me the question because
39:09
my my sense that Qigong actually helps you have a better feel of
39:15
the energy that's around you and know what's yours and what's
39:18
not. So I love that part of the
39:20
Qigong practice. It brings me back to a place
39:23
just like the animals, because the animals have a sense of
39:26
what's around them and what's theirs and what's not.
39:29
They haven't lost that. We have.
39:32
Right. OK, so let's say hypothetically
39:34
it is one. I think that we've all run into
39:37
those wounded people that really come off as abrasive, but their
39:41
heart, their energy is is genuinely seeking something of
39:46
they just don't have the value of.
39:48
Articulate it other than negativity or.
39:51
Something that as well and how do you approach it for for
39:54
someone like that? So sometimes, and I've had some
39:59
people come to readings where one of the people comes to the
40:02
reading, the other person is the dragger, and one is the draggy,
40:05
as I call them. So, you know, I'll say to the
40:10
draggy, I know you were dragged here, it's OK.
40:16
Your skepticism is welcome. I also ask that you keep a
40:20
little tiny piece of your heart open to something you just
40:23
haven't experienced yet. And if you can do that, we'll be
40:26
OK. That's.
40:27
Beautiful. You know, and a lot of a lot of
40:31
times when they hear me say them it, it kind of takes the edge
40:35
off. And you know, if I'm having a
40:37
conversation with someone and they're, and I, I'll outright
40:40
from the beginning say I'm an animal communicator.
40:42
I'm an energy person and I talk to dead cats and dogs.
40:46
And if that I do it on purpose because that makes somebody have
40:50
a reaction one way or the other right away.
40:52
And then I'm like, OK, good, I know where we stand.
40:56
Nice to meet you. Time to move on or tell me more
40:59
and and I do. I love that.
41:03
OK, so what's one thing that cat parents that anyone listening
41:06
can do to be more tuned in? You know, right at home, right?
41:10
Right. Like I desperately want to be
41:13
able to understand what the hell is going on with our cats.
41:20
Never reason, behavioral issues, illness.
41:22
You know, like I, I, what's one thing that we could all do in
41:27
our homes with our babies? Like babies better.
41:30
Yeah, right, the baby. Steps, yeah.
41:32
Everyone can do. So I will say it is the hardest
41:37
to do with your own animals because we have so much packed
41:41
in there, so much that we want to do for them, that it's, it's
41:45
really hard to be in a neutral state with your own animals.
41:48
So if you're trying this at home, please know if your
41:51
animal's in a upset state or there's something going on
41:54
already, or there's an ailment going on that makes it even
41:57
harder. Yeah, yeah, I, I do feel, I do
42:02
feel like the best thing. Yeah, we've talked about this
42:05
offline and and what not in the past too.
42:08
But I do feel like probably with your own animals, the best thing
42:11
that you can do is take care of yourself. 100%, yeah, 100%.
42:16
And so, you know, connecting with your own animals at home,
42:19
the first thing is your energy has to be managed.
42:23
So what was what's 1 practice that you would say?
42:26
You know, I mean, I know that the the, the point of it is to
42:29
be better in tune with our cats needs or their energy.
42:35
So what's a baby step that we could take?
42:37
Perfect baby step is to belly breathe.
42:40
I love this one. I teach all of whenever I have a
42:42
client, I teach them this and it's so cool how many people in
42:46
that first experience, which takes 2 minutes, actually have
42:50
an experience because they're, they're letting me lead them.
42:55
And So what I ask people to do, and I know you have, I've done
42:59
this with you guys too, is I just, I ask people to sit back
43:01
and relax, shake out their shoulders, take a regular deep
43:07
breath and just blow it out. And this is the crazy part.
43:13
Check your butt muscles because we don't realize.
43:17
I know it sounds really funny, right?
43:18
Check your butt muscles because we clench our butts all the
43:21
time. We don't even realize how much a
43:24
clenched butt effects everything.
43:29
Really. Yep.
43:31
I'm telling you, I flex on your back.
43:35
It messes your digestion up It it, it messes up everything.
43:40
So if you were to sit back and relax right now and just let go
43:45
of your butt muscles, I know it sounds really crazy, I'm going
43:50
to see they were they were punched.
43:52
Description I'm going to say. Relax your butt muscles.
43:55
Relax your butt muscles. Relax your butt.
43:57
OK. All right.
43:58
And then tell it to relax again, another layer.
44:01
Relax. Relax your butt.
44:06
You'll feel yourself sink into your chair even more.
44:08
You'll feel your butt just go so crazy.
44:12
But it's true. Oh my God.
44:15
And then you do belly breathing. How?
44:17
Then start belly breathing. So take a few.
44:20
Just breathe in through your noses.
44:23
I say breathe in through your noses.
44:25
Let the breath travel through the chest.
44:27
The chest is where the heart and soul resides.
44:30
Feed the heart and soul. Breathe through the heart and
44:33
soul. Keep the breath going all the
44:34
way down below the belly button, letting the abdomen be the thing
44:39
that expands like a balloon, not just the chest, like like the
44:42
whole bottom of your body where you just opened your butt
44:45
muscles. Because now you're going to feel
44:48
that whole area of your body just go get big, like loosen and
44:52
get bigger. And once it's full, gently
44:56
breathe out with your nose. But imagine all that breath that
44:59
you put down there is now traveling down your legs and out
45:02
the soles of your feet with the push.
45:05
Push the breath out your legs and the soles of your feet.
45:10
Theory. Because she follows breath,
45:16
energy follows your breath. So if you're breathing all the
45:19
way up here into your chest, all the energy is going up into your
45:23
chest. It's causing a racing mind.
45:26
It's why we overthink. It's why we go into a state of
45:29
anxiety. Think about when you're in a
45:31
really heightened state of anxiety or fight or flight or
45:35
stress. All the chest, the breath is up
45:38
in the chest and in the throat. Our throats get tight, our
45:41
brains start to race. We might even start sweating.
45:44
That's all life force and chi being in the going up above the
45:48
rib cage and like muddling everything up.
45:51
You can't communicate with an animal if that's where you are.
45:53
Oh. My God.
45:57
So if we drop it all, we. Breathe.
46:00
And belly breathe and feel after 5 or 6 breaths of that, you're
46:04
going to feel heavier in your seat.
46:05
There's no way you're not. You're going to feel like just
46:08
more relaxed. That's step one.
46:11
If you can do that, first start. There.
46:15
Start there and then once you've done that, put a picture of your
46:18
animal in your heart from a really lovely positive
46:23
perspective. Like the thing about them that
46:25
makes you laugh that you know is just so them.
46:29
It makes you happy. And then I say to everybody, in
46:33
case sitting on a ball of golden light, that's your love bubble.
46:37
And then let the love bubble float out of your chest in out
46:41
from you toward the animal. It doesn't even matter if you
46:44
know where they are in the house.
46:45
It'll find them because you're you.
46:48
Now you put your attention on your animal with the intention
46:51
of sharing love. Now they're going to feel it,
46:56
and if you wait, you'll feel something come back.
47:02
Wow. Now you're connected to your
47:04
animal. I'm taking.
47:06
That's so cool because people go, Oh my God, I felt the
47:09
energy. Oh my God, my head is tingling.
47:10
Oh my God, my heart just got more open.
47:13
So it's really cool because you feel them acknowledge you and
47:17
that for a lot of people, makes them really emotional.
47:22
Yeah. Yeah.
47:24
I love that. I love that so much.
47:26
That's that's that's so valuable.
47:28
I mean to like the entire cat community and like anybody
47:32
listening, that's so. It's like, I don't know how long
47:35
for how many years people have said, oh, you have to breathe.
47:37
You need to do. You need to breathe.
47:39
Don't forget to breathe. Don't forget to breathe.
47:41
And now when you we're actually working with a breath coach
47:44
right now because we don't breathe, how impactful it is
47:54
just. Breathing like for real?
47:56
Like, just breathe. Like actually breathing the way
47:59
you're supposed to breathe, yeah.
48:01
Crazy. Remembering to breathe.
48:02
Breathing. Remembering to breathe.
48:04
Yes, remembering, yeah. But thinking about you're
48:07
trying, if you're trying to breathe through a structure
48:10
that's constricted, now you're trying to force more breath
48:15
through a tightness. You're going to feel the
48:18
tightness, right? You're going to be coming up
48:21
against trying to loosen something up that's really
48:23
tight. That's why a lot of times when
48:25
if you've got like low, I said to people who've got lower back
48:28
pain or, or gurgling lower abdomen, really I, I just, I
48:35
know how crazy this sounds, you guys, but really check your butt
48:38
muscles. See how clenched you are in that
48:41
lower back, lower abdomen area? Because if you can tell that
48:46
whole space is just lighten up and relax and let breath expand
48:51
into there. You may find, yeah.
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Patrice Davison, conscious breathing.
48:55
You're right. So the more you do that, the
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more it will dissipate the pressure against the nervous
49:02
system and all those nerves that are in there that are getting
49:05
constricted and tight. It can literally take the edge
49:08
off of like lower back pain. What's crazy is that we're
49:12
talking about this from like the total woo perspective, right?
49:14
Like this is what, you know, you're, you're an animal
49:16
communicator. You have energy practices to all
49:18
woo stuff, right? And yet everything that you're
49:21
talking about right now is pure science.
49:23
There is, it is, it is literally incredible.
49:28
And you'll see it more and more now that now that you've heard
49:30
it, they'll start seeing it more and more.
49:32
How all of these studies are finding this and that and the
49:36
simplicity of breath work. It's really.
49:39
Yeah, really remarkable. Yeah.
49:40
I know we're already running out of time, but I do want to.
49:42
I want to know what do you think?
49:45
What do you hope more people will come to understand about,
49:51
about our animals through the work you're doing and you and
49:54
you. This is your full time thing
49:55
now. 100% full time gig. What is your?
49:59
What is your? What is your intention broadly?
50:03
So my hope, and it's from the animals, truly, when I realized
50:09
from this, from them, like the first time I realized this, I
50:12
actually made me cry. Because what they want is for us
50:16
to understand and respect them as sentient beings having a
50:21
equally important experience on the planet.
50:25
And that they aren't less than us just because they don't speak
50:28
our language or have the layer of the soul layer that we have,
50:34
which is ego, right? Right.
50:36
They are true sentient beings having their own experience.
50:40
And if we could take a moment and see how they live with us
50:45
through their eyes, we would have so much more respect for
50:50
how hard they're trying to figure out how to live with us.
50:56
And if we looked at them from that perspective, even if a
50:58
behavior situation happens, it's not on a malice or greed or
51:04
judgement or any of the things that are human egocentric
51:08
developed. It's from a place of them just
51:11
trying to manage and react to and handle the situation and the
51:17
best way they know how. So, right, if we look at it from
51:22
that, we wouldn't get mad at them for anything.
51:27
Actually, we'd sit and go. I want to understand what's
51:30
happening for you. And even that sometimes changes
51:36
their behavior. I've had people let me know
51:39
that, you know, the cat and the dog stopped fighting just
51:41
because I described what was happening from their
51:43
perspective. Or the cat stops, you know,
51:46
marking the couch because we now understand what was bugging them
51:50
the whole time. Or we're honoring, you know, the
51:54
birds feelings about wanting their perch not being near the
51:59
TV anymore because it gives them a headache.
52:01
Like, you know, when we really look at the world through their
52:04
eyes, we go, wow, I cannot believe how hard you're trying
52:06
to live in my world. Thank you.
52:10
Wow. Yeah.
52:13
That's beautiful. That's a mic drop.
52:15
Yeah, Mic drop. Our listeners I I've, I've
52:19
dropped your link in here. In the in the description.
52:22
Here, but there's so much more than just your link, you know?
52:25
We work with the ACC to make it more collective.
52:28
Your work or maybe even have an experience with you?
52:32
Yeah. And you know, if anybody has any
52:35
questions, I'd love to answer them.
52:37
I just appreciate everybody checking in with us this evening
52:41
and I, you know, hanging in there and listening to all the
52:44
crazy stories we're sharing. I.
52:46
Love this. Yeah, the animals are animals
52:49
want us to be more present in general.
52:53
If we're more present, they're happy.
52:56
So yeah, that's that's the gift we can give them is presents.
53:00
Yep, I love it. So Karen, you are at
53:06
karendindysmith.com and Karen Dindy Smith, is it just Karen
53:10
Dindy smith.com? Yeah, just Karen Dendy, DENDY
53:13
Smith, alloneword.com and you'll find everything there.
53:16
Links to Instagram, Facebook, all the stuffs.
53:20
Yes, ACCAC. C Podcast, Everything is there.
53:24
Yep, you guys have like the one and only animal communication
53:27
podcast. Yep, the animal communication
53:30
podcast. Can you prove that wasn't taken
53:32
as a name? It's crazy, but I mean, it's
53:35
obviously yeah, yeah, podcast you guys follow, go, go follow
53:40
awesome podcast that that that they have so.
53:46
Oh, and very exciting. If it's OK if I share.
53:48
Julianne Hart and I are doing a very special workshop next
53:54
weekend. Not this Friday, not this
53:56
Saturday, but Saturday the 20th. If anybody wants to come.
53:59
It's not that expensive really. We're going to be for two hours.
54:04
We're going to be working with people around animals who have
54:08
crossed the Rainbow Bridge and Whispers from the Rainbow
54:12
Bridge, Love Never Leaves and bringing people through,
54:16
learning how to connect with their animals on the other side
54:19
and doing a few mini readings and just talking about what it's
54:22
like for animals who have crossed the Rainbow Bridge.
54:25
What that actually really is, is like, what do we?
54:28
We don't really know, but sharing their wisdom and helping
54:32
people learn how to connect with their animals who have passed.
54:35
I want to be a part of that. I want to join that.
54:38
So that's September, September 20th.
54:41
To September 20th and it is going to be in Eastern Time.
54:46
Let me tell you, in Eastern Time it starts at 11 AM, it goes from
54:51
11:00 to 1:00 Eastern. So if you're in Pacific, it's 8,
54:56
it's more, well, you guys get up early, but eight, what is that 8
55:00
to 10 AM specific? And in the UK, we did that
55:05
because she's in the UK and she has people coming from the UK.
55:07
So they're like 5 or 6 hours ahead.
55:10
So it'll it'll be 5 or 6 hours ahead of that.
55:12
So yeah, it's hopefully it'll be a really intimate kind of
55:17
collaborative workshop where we'll all be on Zoom so we can
55:20
all talk to each other and practice together and people can
55:24
ask questions. We can share what we've learned
55:26
about past lives, how how what, what it's like when we come back
55:32
into whole wholeness and we know all about ourselves, not just
55:36
the version we were this time. And it's going to be pretty
55:39
cool. Oh wow, she.
55:40
Doesn't know who Julianne Hart is.
55:42
I She's naturally cats and she is an energy.
55:48
Also one of our favorite foods. Yeah, she's shocked.
55:52
From Bavin. Wow, she and the two of you
55:55
together? Yeah.
55:56
This is gonna be great. We're not.
55:57
Enough. We're not enough.
55:59
Really, we would love to have you.
56:01
Yeah, we gotta do. It even though we might have our
56:03
camera off if it's 8:00 AM in the morning that way.
56:07
We'll come over dramas, we don't care.
56:10
About the experience, yes, that is really exciting.
56:12
Oh my gosh. Karen, thank you so much.
56:15
Thank you so much for joining us.
56:16
Thank you all who are joining us here live tonight for joining
56:19
us, everyone. Yeah, Yeah.
56:21
I hope you got the takeaways and we're just we're just really
56:26
grateful that you shared this information with us in this way
56:29
this time. It's it's very it's very helpful
56:31
to us as well. So as human.
56:33
Yeah, as so, so thank you and you're.
56:36
Welcome. And I promise we'll be back.
56:39
Meredith and I will come back and do readings another time,
56:41
yes. You know.
56:42
Yes, yeah, we've got another one coming, I think November.
56:44
So, so, so get ready for it guys.
56:47
We love you so much and we hope you all have a beautiful
56:50
evening.