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What it is like to be a Jamaican in South Africa · Babes, how did you get here

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  What was your first impression of Africa?
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  I've always been interested in Africa and I've come in here.
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  It felt like home?
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  Really?
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  Yeah, it felt like home.
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  I don't know.
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  That's a feeling.
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  I remember when I just came here, I went on a date with a scholar.
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  And she went on a rant about black people.
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  Okay.
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  Right?
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  I'm sitting here and I'm like, it's going to warm black.
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  Right?
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  And so I asked her.
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  I'm saying, you know I'm black, right?
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  And she said, yeah, but you're different.
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  And I'm saying, how cold?
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  And she said, you're a foreigner.
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  Okay.
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  I'm saying, okay.
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  So because I'm a foreigner, you're a foreigner.
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  You're a foreigner.
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  What is the perception of Jamaican here?
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  There's a lot about the music, right?
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  Above Malay, it always works because during apartheid,
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  regular music was used to help.
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  Funnily, regular music was banned here.
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  What's it?
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  During apartheid.
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  Because they didn't want any of these things.
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  Because of the preparation of music.
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  Right.
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  The message.
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  You understand?
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  But here, they seem to have an awareness for regular, obviously.
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  I met a lady yesterday.
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  She was very excited.
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  She goes, you're the first Jamaican that I've met in real life.
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  Really?
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  Yeah.
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  I'll get a lot.
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  She's like, I've got a lot of Jamaicans online.
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  I've seen things on it.
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  But I've never met one in person.
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  I get that stuff.
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  I was super excited.
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  But it's an experience that happened to you since you've been here.
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  That you would never seen coming.
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  Getting arrested.
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  Getting arrested.
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  I was going to jail.
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  Did you have to actually go to jail?
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  Yeah.
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  What happened?
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  So you come here.
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  You live in your best life.
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  And then you become a dad.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  You know?
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  I mean, as I just said, you know, tell your kids that you're Jamaican.
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  Yes.
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  We always tell my daughter you're Jamaican.
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  Okay.
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  Because you're half German, half Jamaican.
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  Yes.
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  I mean, but she knows it.
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  She even knows National Anthem.
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  For Jamaica.
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  Yeah.
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  My girls sing it every day.
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  Zip.
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  Zip.
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  One or three FM.
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  I listen to that every day on the internet.
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  Yes.
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  And she always hear it.
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  Six o'clock in the morning.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, six o'clock with you.
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  Jamaica time.
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  I think one o'clock here.
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  Okay.
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  Or something like that.
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  Yeah.
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  It's one o'clock here.
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  So she always hear it.
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  And I remember her mom was singing it one time.
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  And she said to her mom, Mommy, no, no, don't sing it.
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  You're not Jamaica.
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  You're not Jamaica.
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  The experience of raising a child here in terms of identity.
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  You know, her mom's German, your Jamaica, and she was born here.
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  Yeah.
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  So she's going to be born and presumably raised for right now in South Africa.
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  Yeah.
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  So I'm just wondering what does that look like in terms of her identity?
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  Was she identifies being South African, do you think?
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  That's a good question because on paper, she's not.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  She's not South African and people.
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  No.
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  How does it work?
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  So if you're born here, you're not automatically.
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  No.
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  If none of your parents are South Africans, then technically you were just born here.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  So we had to go through the whole process to get residency for her.
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  For her, okay.
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  You know what I mean?
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  Anala, that's all.
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  Is she in school?
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  She's schooled?
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  She's four, though.
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  Okay.
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  So she's about to go home.
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  Okay.
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  And in terms of, there's always people's different approach in terms of schooling, right?
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  Like you have some people who are strictly international schools.
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  You have other people who wherever they live, they want their child to be in that local community.
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  Do you know or is it too soon?
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  Have you guys thought about probably homeschooling?
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  Okay.
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  That's what I'm thinking.
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  Yeah.
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  We're leading because our mom wants that as well.
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  Okay.
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  She's leaning towards that.
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  To Bali.
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  Bali, I live them life under some yoga and teacher.
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  Why do you say it like that?
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  I just came from Bali.
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  I love it.
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  And I wasn't doing any yoga.
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  But that's the vibe there.
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  You know what I mean?
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  Especially from the Europeans.
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  You know, I'm going there and I'm zen and I'm all kind of.
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  Oh my, I did zero yoga, okay?
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  But I do agree that the energy.
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  Yeah.
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  Have you been?
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  No.
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  I love the energy.
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  To me, it's the only place after Jamaica that makes me feel good for just existing.
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  Really?
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  Yeah.
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  Definitely.
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  I'll be there.
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  I'll be there.
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  I'll be there.
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  One of my boys went there and it's a girl you need to.
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  Yeah.
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  From Australia because it's a stone throw away from Australia.
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  You know what I mean?
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  It's a girl you need to go outside and have one.
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  So you're leaning towards homeschooling?
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  Yeah.
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  That's really interesting.
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  I feel like more people, more parents know are thinking about homeschooling.
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  The thing is because for me, I'm growing up in a school system.
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  Back home in Jamaica.
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  You know what I mean?
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  And the mats and the dishes.
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  That's the way I have to do.
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  You went to Meda Brook?
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  What school do you have?
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  Hillel.
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  Huh?
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  Pantset.
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  Pantset.
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  Optone.
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  People, it's so fun.
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  Again, you talk about optone.
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  I used to have people come to the restaurant.
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  And the whole reason why I got into the restaurant business was to basically have an outlook
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  to showcase Jamaica, right?
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  Yeah.
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  And to really challenge people's ideas of Jamaica.
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  And so it's only Jamaicans that understand optone.
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  So somebody comes and they're like, oh, so you're optone.
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  And I feel like there's this weird age of people denying that they're optone.
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  Yeah.
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  So they're like trying to...
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  More street.
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  Yeah.
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  More credibility.
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  Right.
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  And I'm just like, no, no, no, I'm optone.
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  Yeah, man.
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  All day.
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  Yeah.
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  That's it.
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  Again, maybe as human beings, we're just never satisfied with like where we are.
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  So we're always trying to be something else because I remember in New York, there was this
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  girl.
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  She was from Mandavoon.
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  She, back in the day, would have been white passing, right?
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  She was peel, peel, peel, peel, peel.
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  And lie not Mandavoon.
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  She's from...
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  Yeah, man.
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  She's from Mandavoon.
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  So then she is at my house warming and we're like around Americans and stuff.
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  And she makes a statement.
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  She's like, no, no, I don't know how to speak.
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  Well, she's a Jamaican.
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  Born and raised, you just reach New York, right?
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  The other day in your adulthood.
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  And you're telling these people that you don't.
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  You don't know if I speak Patoa.
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  So I said to her, my girl, my accent is so confused, right?
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  It's so messed up.
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  And I would never pretend that I don't understand or speak Patoa.
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  Like, what?
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  But for her, it was, oh no, Patoa is beneath me, right?
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  Yeah, it's degrading.
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  Yes, I'm being in New York was an opportunity to reinvent herself, right?
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  Because no one there knows her.
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  Well, I knew her.
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  But nobody else knew her.
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  So she was able to kind of be whoever she wanted to.
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  And so when I challenged her on this idea,
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  because I don't believe it is possible to grow up in Jamaica.
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  I don't care how old Tony are.
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  And you'll be able to...
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  It is impossible.
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  It is impossible, right?
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  And so when I challenged her, she said, oh, well, you know,
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  my dad didn't allow us to speak Patoa in our house.
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  Which Patoa Patoa comes from.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  And so I'm just wondering, are there things that you have seen in yourself
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  that you...
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  Because you speak about still growing, still learning,
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  that you want to be better at for your child?
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  Trying to teach your life art.
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  She is at a stage where she...
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  She knows there's a difference between what her mom looked like
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  and how her dad looked like.
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  Sure.
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  Yannasan.
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  And like her here is curly, right?
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  Right?
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  It's curly.
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  And she always said, I want straight here.
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  Okay.
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  Like mommy.
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  And I'm saying, no, here is beautiful.
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  Why?
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  Here is beautiful.
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  So, you know, trying to tell her and trying to get her mom to say,
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  yeah, we want you're here.
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  We want you're here.
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  We have you here.
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  Yeah.
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  Because you're here is beautiful.
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  Everybody likes you're here and them things.
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  You know what I mean?
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  So, trying to get her to love herself.
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  And I have to show her that through me as in loving myself.
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  Right.
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  You know what I'm saying?
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  Yeah.
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  And then, you know, it will be passed down to her.
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  You know what I mean?
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  Love yourself.
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  Daddy loves yourself.
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  And once daddy loves himself, daddy can love everybody else.
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  You know what I mean?
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  And for me, I've come to terms here, I've accepted who I am.
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  There are certain things that, back in the day, where people would, you know, try to say,
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  yo, come to this, come to that, blah, blah, this and that.
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  You know, before, kind of before, you know what I mean?
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  And what I'm talking about is, you know what I mean?
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  For those things, I know for me, it's I know.
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  Okay.
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  Immediately.
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  If it don't suit me, I don't think twice.
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  So before, would you say that you were more people pleasing?
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  You know what I mean?
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  People say, yo, wait a minute, I'm sorry.
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  I rule.
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  You know what I mean?
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  And no, I'm like, yo, I'm going to the pond at that.
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  Well, enjoy.
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  It's funny that you say about your daughter and hair.
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  And, you know, hair is so important, like within the black community.
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  I always say to people, I feel like it's the only non-black thing about me,
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  because I don't know nothing about hair.
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  I'm not good with hair.
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  If I had a small round head, I would share off my head long time.
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  Really?
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  It was not precious about hair, like even again being in England,
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  and I remember once, I was filming this reality TV show,
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  and the lady in the room was an older white woman from like the middle of nowhere,
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  not London, all in the bush.
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  And I could see her watching me whilst I was combing my hair.
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  And I said to her, babes, you want to touch my hair?
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  Because she was like, pre in the hair hard, right?
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  And she goes, oh, no, no, no, I couldn't.
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  I was like, babes, safe space.
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  Yeah, you want to.
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  Just go for it.
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  Like, just go for it.
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  And she was like, oh my gosh, it's so soft.
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  I said, what did you think it was going to be?
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  And she goes, I don't know.
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  And the reason I share this is because again, I think that's like the Jamaicanness
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  in the sense that I think black British people are fighting for so many other things
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  that it then becomes yet another thing that they're being othered.
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  Whereas for me, it was just like, you always hair on my head.
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  You clearly haven't touched it.
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  One thing is, here is identity, man.
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  Even here in South Africa, you have students who are being banned
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  from coming to school.
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  But we're in Afro.
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  Yeah.
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  In Africa.
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  How mad.
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  Imagine that.
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  Yeah.
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  You can't even be yourself in your own country.
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  Yeah.
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  It's a bit deep.
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  Yeah.
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  Did you meet your partner here?
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  You met in South Africa?
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  Yeah, Facebook.
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  You met her on Facebook?
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  Yeah, she ran into my DMs, man.
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  I mean, I'm joking, I'm joking.
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  No, I accidentally fell into her DMs.
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  And then was she also in the industry in modeling?
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  No.
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  Okay, but she was living here.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay, so she was living here before you?
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  No, she had just moved here a year before.
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  Okay.
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  When I met her.
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  And we always hear that raising mixed children, children with mixed heritage,
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  that it seems to be very different experience when the mother is black versus the father, right?
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  And so again, when you spoke about hair and saying that her mom needs to also encourage her,
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  do you think, and this is quite timely in the sense that I saw this interview recently
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  where a lady said that she's black and white women were coming to her with black children
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  and they would attribute their negative behavior to maybe it's the dad side.
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  And it wasn't necessarily a cognizant thing, right?
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  So a mother would come to this lady for advice about parenting,
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  and say, you know, for example, oh, he's really aggressive,
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  or he's really loud and rumbunchious.
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  And I'm just wondering, is that like a cultural thing to do with his dad?
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  Or he's not focused, you know, is that, and the point is all of the negative attributes,
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  she was saying it must come from the dad side, right?
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  It must come from the black dream.
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  Whereas anything that was positive was just normal, that's how kids are.
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  That's society, that's how society is, that's what they have, you know, pushed us.
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  But I guess maybe I'm just naive, because when I heard this, I was like, really?
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  Like, because it's, because it's your child, right?
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  Like it's one thing to talk about something intellectually,
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  or make an observation.
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  But I'm like, people are really out here having their own flesh and blood,
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  and still holding on to these beliefs.
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  It's stereotypes, stereotypes, and yeah, it makes no sense to be honest.
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  I mean, a lot of times it's human behavior.
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  It's human behavior, that's how kids act sometimes.
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  And the thing is, sometimes if that's what they see, they will adapt that behavior.
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  If they see their own and it doesn't necessarily have to be in the household,
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  it could be schools, it could be anywhere that spend the day socially,
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  and come back home with it.
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  So it doesn't necessarily mean it comes from either appearance.
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  It's just life.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah.
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  My other thing that comes to mind is, do you guys have a similar parenting style?
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  Because, again, people have stereotypes of what it means to grow up with, like, Jamaican parents.
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  And whilst I find most of them deeply amusing from a comedic value,
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  it's not my lived experience, right?
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  So when you see people doing skits about, like, you can't speak or you can't open them up, you can't.
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  Yeah.
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  I didn't live that, right?
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  Me neither.
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  I'm aware that people have.
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  I'm not disputing that most stereotypes come from a place, right?
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  I get that.
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  But that wasn't my experience.
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  My dad was very open and very calming, and there was no shouting in my house and all these things.
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  So I don't know what disciplining in Germany looks like.
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  They tend to seem very organized and structured, like culturally.
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  And so I'm just wondering when you're parenting with someone that's not Jamaican.
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  It's a challenge.
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  What are some of those challenges?
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  Because the thing is, with our mom, it comes to, it's like just soft love.
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  And everything is no shouting, try to sit down and, you know,
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  gentle parenting.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  I'm chilled, right?
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  So I won't shout.
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  But, you know, in America, I get the look.
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  I tell people all the time, all I needed was the look.
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  Exactly.
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  I wasn't going anything further.
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  And once the parents do that, you just show up.
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  You know what I mean?
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  So I mean, that's me.
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  That's me.
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  But as I said sometimes, I say, yeah, there's a conflict in terms of when she gives trouble,
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  or she does something that she knows she's not supposed to do.
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  You know, it comes.
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  Put her in and say, what's the matter, and all of that, I mean, I don't want that.
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  And I said, you don't do that, because this, that, that, that, that y'all not sound like a sponge.
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  That's it.
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  You know, and, yeah, so as I said, sometimes there's a bit of a conflict in terms of the whole tool.
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  You know what I mean?
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  It's funny because I think that we don't necessarily consider these details before we
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  choose our partners in general, right?
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  Like we don't think about what I didn't think about, like the cultural difference.
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  Yeah, when it comes to parenting specifically.
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  You know what?
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  I remember when I just got here in Johannesburg, Manneba Linda, she was 70 something
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  at that time, right?
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  And you know, we used to hang out with our, you know, she would say invite us over.
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  And you know, come have some tea, she's from Scotland actually, so you know, I mean,
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  very British.
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  And you know, she said, it has never left me.
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  She said, if you want a life easier, do it somebody within your culture.
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  Really?
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  Yeah.
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  Well, what part did you listen to?
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  The tea wasn't good or the message wasn't like, Linda was speaking wisdom.
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  That's what she said.
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  And I mean, no, I totally get what she meant.
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  Yeah.
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  You know what I mean?
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  Linda, I get what Linda meant too.
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  We both weren't listening to Linda.
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  Not at all.
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  The other thing that also comes to mind as you say that, a Jamaican guy once said to
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  me that you should always date within your financial bracket or above as a woman, right?
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  And at the time, I was just like, oh no, but like you connect with people as more about
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  love is love.
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  You know what?
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  And so I completely like dismissed what he was saying, right?
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  And now looking back, I agree with him too.
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  I wasn't listening to Linda and I wasn't listening to him.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, listen, learn, right?
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  Listen, learn.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  Do you think you'll have more children?
• 18:44
  Mm.
• 18:45
  Not sure, you know?
• 18:46
  Really?
• 18:47
  Not sure.
• 18:48
  You know what I mean?
• 18:49
  The thing is being here with no family member, right?
• 18:57
  Everything falls on us.
• 18:59
  Every single thing.
• 19:01
  You know what I'm saying?
• 19:02
  Not like we have a auntie or a cousin or a grandma or grandpa where we can, you know,
• 19:07
  lift the baby with an ungodly do thing.
• 19:09
  So if she has something to do, then I have to meet myself available to take care of the
• 19:16
  baby and vice versa.
• 19:18
  You know what I mean?
• 19:19
  So it's tough.
• 19:20
  Yeah.
• 19:21
  It's funny because the last time we went home in particular, so my children have been
• 19:25
  to Jamaica multiple times from in the womb, out the womb, all the time, right?
• 19:29
  But the last time, because they're getting older and you kind of see them interacting with
• 19:33
  their environment more, it becomes a different experience, right?
• 19:37
  And I took them to my dad's office, recording the podcast.
• 19:40
  It's the only country that I don't need to get a nanny, right?
• 19:43
  Because, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 19:44
  And it's not even a blood family.
• 19:45
  So you know, you know all this, you know what I mean?
• 19:48
  Exactly.
• 19:49
  And it's not that they're my, my, necessarily all my blood relatives at all, but it's
• 19:53
  family, you know what I mean?
• 19:55
  And so I dropped my, my daughters to my dad's office and the lady who has been like helping
• 20:02
  around the office, helping us just do everything, she does everything, you know, big and small.
• 20:08
  And she has been in my life from I was a child, okay?
• 20:11
  And now, you know, I say trust everything.
• 20:14
  Trust that that's a part, the trust, also trust to respect my wishes, right?
• 20:19
  Because I'm very particular in certain things that I do and not everybody agrees, but everybody
• 20:24
  who is around my children will respect that this is the April way.
• 20:28
  And that's all I asked for, right?
• 20:30
  And seeing her, like seeing Ms. Gloria get mangoes from my children, there is, I can't
• 20:36
  describe the experience knowing that I've grown up with Ms. Gloria and now watching the
• 20:41
  same lady.
• 20:42
  She probably gave you mangoes.
• 20:43
  Literally.
• 20:44
  And now, you know, get mangoes, you know, all the mangoes, but I think we...
• 20:47
  No, no, no.
• 20:48
  No, no, no.
• 20:49
  And watching that, it's an experience that I can't even really describe, it is so
• 20:55
  heartwarming.
• 20:56
  It's just a full circle, man.
• 20:58
  Like literally.
• 20:59
  And you know that like the people that looked after you and now get to look after your children,
• 21:04
  they do so with an immense sense of pride, right?
• 21:08
  It's not about jobs, it's not about titles, it's like about this feeling and I do think
• 21:14
  once I always knew that I wanted to go back home, seeing that play out in their lives
• 21:20
  was just confirmation that I need them to experience like this level and you talk about
• 21:25
  confidence.
• 21:26
  I think, you know, we've been sending a lot of time in Southeast Asia where they really
• 21:30
  have a positive attitude to children, right?
• 21:33
  They adore children in a way that is beautiful, but nothing quite hits the same as being
• 21:39
  in Jamaica.
• 21:41
  People are the security guard is playing with them, you know, it's just, it's just a crazy
• 21:47
  experience.
• 21:48
  You see, man, like tough man, ready.
• 21:50
  But then in front of them, you know, he goes to the Selenjan version of himself, which
• 21:55
  I still will never understand by the way.
• 21:57
  Selenam, Selenam artist, you know, Selen, yo, them black and white party, they're Jamaica,
• 22:04
  our white party.
• 22:05
  Oh my gosh.
• 22:06
  Yeah, man, I'll be a Selen.
• 22:10
  But it's, it's a really, it's a beautiful thing for your child to be seen in, in every
• 22:17
  which way, you know, I agree, I agree 100.
• 22:21
  Were there any times during your experience here that you thought about going back to Jamaica?
• 22:26
  Yeah.
• 22:27
  I'll never forget one day I was walking in, this was a green point and I don't even know
• 22:32
  about the wind here.
• 22:34
  No.
• 22:35
  Yeah, sometimes literally the wind was pushing me back, physically I'm fighting, yeah,
• 22:42
  and it was pushing me back and sometimes some people hold on to things when it gets really
• 22:46
  windy, right?
• 22:47
  What I'm going blow it?
• 22:48
  It will push them back.
• 22:50
  Yeah, I mean, you can't go on YouTube, I can't say videos, right?
• 22:54
  Of people.
• 22:55
  People being blown to the ground, right?
• 22:57
  And I remember I was walking and I was so upset and fed up for the wind.
• 23:02
  I'm saying, I'm tired of this shit, I'm tired of this, I, I want to leave.
• 23:09
  And then you're still here?
• 23:10
  And then yeah, the wind died on us, you always be with us, you know what I mean, we'll
• 23:14
  go on, yeah, but that was the one moment I said, man, I can't do this, yeah.
• 23:21
  What is the best thing and the worst thing about living here?
• 23:24
  The best thing, I mean, it's the best of both worlds, you can say, it's western, infrastructurwise,
• 23:36
  it's up there, like always tell people, first world infrastructure, but a bit of third world
• 23:44
  mentality.
• 23:45
  Okay.
• 23:46
  You know what I mean?
• 23:47
  So a bit of first world and a bit of third world, what we use from Jamaica, streets and
• 23:51
  all that.
• 23:52
  So yeah, that's pretty much what it is, you know.
• 23:56
  And the challenges of living in South Africa or Cape Town specifically?
• 24:01
  Challenges, as you mentioned, especially Cape Townians, a lot of them are not that friendly.
• 24:08
  Okay.
• 24:09
  Yeah.
• 24:10
  Why did you choose Cape Town over, over Jobarck?
• 24:13
  Because nature.
• 24:14
  Okay.
• 24:15
  Yeah, nature.
• 24:16
  Because you need it to be.
• 24:17
  Yeah, by the sea, the mountain, all that.
• 24:18
  And the thing is there, there's more to do here.
• 24:21
  In terms of just socially?
• 24:23
  Just because of nature.
• 24:24
  Okay.
• 24:25
  So you can do what you do in Johannesburg, like, you know, the old spot is, but then you
• 24:29
  get all the extras.
• 24:30
  Exactly.
• 24:31
  With here, you can go far.
• 24:32
  Run on the promenade, you can live your best life.
• 24:35
  Right.
• 24:36
  You know what I mean?
• 24:37
  And what other African countries have you visited?
• 24:41
  Namibia.
• 24:42
  Love it.
• 24:43
  Love it?
• 24:44
  Yeah.
• 24:45
  I know nothing.
• 24:46
  Tell me, what's Namibia like?
• 24:47
  It's a huge country.
• 24:50
  So history, it was colonized by Germany, right?
• 24:54
  Okay.
• 24:55
  And then after the Second World War, when Germany lost, the UN gave it to South Africa,
• 25:00
  apartheid, South Africa.
• 25:02
  So they got independence from apartheid, South Africa, which was 1990.
• 25:07
  Big country, huge country, two million people.
• 25:11
  So it's partly populated.
• 25:13
  Yeah.
• 25:14
  I thought you were going to come with some big numbers.
• 25:16
  Some million people, a lot of desert, Kalahari, Kalahari desert.
• 25:22
  Okay.
• 25:23
  Jogf is not my strong suit.
• 25:24
  Yeah.
• 25:25
  I think that's all this desert in the world.
• 25:28
  It's there.
• 25:30
  The country got its name, Namibia from the Namib desert.
• 25:34
  So, a lot of desert, where the dunes meet the ocean.
• 25:41
  Okay.
• 25:42
  Beautiful.
• 25:43
  And it's very similar to South Africa because it was colonized by South Africa.
• 25:49
  So, all the stores and all that, very familiar because they're all there.
• 25:54
  All there.
• 25:55
  You know what I mean?
• 25:56
  But if I had to leave South Africa, I could see myself going to Namibia.
• 26:02
  To live?
• 26:03
  Yeah.
• 26:04
  Oh really?
• 26:05
  I thought you were going to say it was too quiet.
• 26:07
  I like that.
• 26:08
  Okay.
• 26:09
  The oil I've gotten is the more I appreciate that.
• 26:12
  Yeah.
• 26:13
  Funny that you say this because I used to always say that I have to live in a city.
• 26:16
  Right?
• 26:17
  Like I have to have to have a city like that.
• 26:18
  I used to think that way as well.
• 26:19
  And, you know, I've lived in New York, London, don't cities, I get it.
• 26:24
  And then, more so in the last, like, two years, I'm just like, I don't think I wanted
• 26:31
  to sit alive.
• 26:32
  I'm all right.
• 26:33
  I'm all right.
• 26:34
  Yeah.
• 26:35
  Spending so much time, you know, whether it's in Bali or other places and coming back to
• 26:40
  like a city.
• 26:41
  So Indonesia has strong drug laws, which is relevant because you don't see people that
• 26:47
  drugged out on the street, right?
• 26:49
  Because of the law.
• 26:50
  So I come off the plane and I said to my sister, I know this might sound silly, but seeing
• 26:55
  a crackhead and let's be honest, crackheads are universal, right?
• 26:58
  It doesn't matter where you are in the world, it's a universal appearance.
• 27:02
  And it was so jarring to me, I was just like, what is going on?
• 27:06
  You know, seeing the traffic is in Bali, so that doesn't count.
• 27:10
  Although it's like, yeah, it's island vibes, but the traffic is city.
• 27:14
  Okay, okay.
• 27:15
  Even my girls are like, the Bali traffic is terrible.
• 27:18
  It's terrible.
• 27:19
  But in terms of even the dirt is different in city, I just find that like countryside dirt
• 27:27
  feels more organic.
• 27:28
  Yeah.
• 27:29
  You know, it just feels more like dirt, dirt rather than like graffiti and like nasty.
• 27:35
  You feel the difference between dirty and nasty, right?
• 27:39
  City life is nasty.
• 27:41
  Even the smells.
• 27:42
  Oh yeah.
• 27:43
  Definitely, definitely.
• 27:44
  And it was so jarring to me because I hadn't been in city life for so long.
• 27:49
  Even in Paris.
• 27:50
  Even in Paris.
• 27:51
  Especially Paris.
• 27:52
  The city of the world.
• 27:53
  Especially Paris.
• 27:54
  The city of the smell.
• 27:55
  First of all, the city of love is the biggest marketing hoax of the world and I give
• 28:01
  it credit, by the way.
• 28:02
  Yeah.
• 28:03
  Whoever, two things that I think Paris has done particularly well or French have done
• 28:08
  particularly well at line to us about is Paris being the city of love.
• 28:12
  And also this idea that French cuisine is like the oat, the crème de la crème, right?
• 28:18
  Don't get me wrong.
• 28:19
  The patisserie babes, like we can get down on the desserts, right?
• 28:23
  Like they can take that crown.
• 28:24
  But the food, food.
• 28:25
  Yeah, yeah.
• 28:26
  It's fine.
• 28:27
  It's right.
• 28:28
  Give me, you know, duck allahons, give me, you know, croque monsieur, I'm all for like
• 28:33
  cheeses.
• 28:34
  But that's my point and don't get I love butter.
• 28:38
  So me and the French and I, we can relate.
• 28:41
  But this whole city of love thing, I'm like when I'm get there, it stinks.
• 28:46
  Yeah.
• 28:47
  Yeah.
• 28:48
  And people, and here's the thing which they've done beautifully with the marketing is
• 28:51
  that people bring their love.
• 28:54
  It goes back to like the expectation effect.
• 28:56
  Because you've been told all your life that this is the city of love, you bring that expectation
• 29:02
  and our brains will look to confirm our beliefs.
• 29:05
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.
• 29:06
  But the minute you like to stop for a second and look around, I mean, there are even some
• 29:11
  streets in Paris that you're there not to walk down, you just look down at the, not
• 29:16
  a right?
• 29:17
  No, what?
• 29:18
  It's so true.
• 29:21
  What is South Africa known for?
• 29:22
  Or Cape Town, what do people expect to receive here that you think is a little bit different
• 29:28
  to the reality?
• 29:32
  Like I think wine, and I think that definitely lives up to the expectation.
• 29:36
  I tell you a secret.
• 29:38
  Tell me.
• 29:39
  I tell you something.
• 29:40
  And people say you've been here 15 years, you should do better.
• 29:44
  You don't know not what wine.
• 29:46
  No.
• 29:47
  You don't drink.
• 29:48
  Every single.
• 29:49
  Every single white wine.
• 29:50
  It is the same to me.
• 29:52
  So you do drink, you just don't know care for.
• 29:56
  Yeah.
• 29:57
  You know, if people, people say, oh, it smells this kind of gray upon that kind and the
• 30:04
  blend under this.
• 30:05
  So yeah.
• 30:06
  What about that?
• 30:07
  That's alcohol.
• 30:08
  Yeah.
• 30:09
  Wine.
• 30:10
  You know what I mean?
• 30:11
  That's so funny.
• 30:12
  Yeah.
• 30:13
  I remember when I'm a boy, he came here when last year and we went to a wine farm just
• 30:19
  for, you know, the sights on scene.
• 30:21
  Not really wine.
• 30:22
  I don't know it in a really careable wine like that.
• 30:24
  And we had a table and, you know, the wine, you know, for tastes and try and them things
• 30:32
  and my boy had a Red Bull on the wine just because I'm puppet on just.
• 30:37
  No, he did not.
• 30:39
  He put Red Bull in the wine.
• 30:41
  And everybody I look on him like, what?
• 30:44
  I'm just drinking.
• 30:46
  I'm not here.
• 30:48
  I'm not sure the same sentiment.
• 30:50
  I would have died.
• 30:51
  You know, but the thing is, built on.
• 30:53
  I've been trying this out.
• 30:54
  I love built on.
• 30:55
  Exactly.
• 30:56
  What Americans call beef jerky.
• 30:58
  Is that what they call beef jerky?
• 30:59
  I didn't even know.
• 31:00
  I've never had beef jerky.
• 31:01
  Yeah.
• 31:02
  I think America, it kind of more chemical on the chemical side and maybe that's why
• 31:07
  I'm not trying it.
• 31:08
  Maybe that's why I'm not trying it.
• 31:09
  We're here.
• 31:10
  It's raw meat that they put to dry.
• 31:12
  Yes.
• 31:13
  You know what I mean?
• 31:14
  I really love built on.
• 31:15
  Yeah, it's nice.
• 31:17
  But the first time I came here, people were giving built on to me and I'm saying, no,
• 31:23
  just the idea of the meat I didn't cook, yeah, I was like, no, it took me a while to get
• 31:30
  over that to start eating it.
• 31:31
  How are you with sushi?
• 31:34
  The first time I tried sushi was here.
• 31:38
  Really?
• 31:39
  Yeah, yeah, a lot of sushi places here.
• 31:41
  And same thing, just the idea, I went home and put it in some oil and chewed the sushi
• 31:55
  in it.
• 31:56
  No, you did not.
• 31:57
  Yeah.
• 31:58
  Oh my gosh.
• 31:59
  That's what I did.
• 32:00
  But no, no, I'm alright with it.
• 32:02
  You're okay.
• 32:03
  Yeah, I've got a restaurant that I love sushi I eat it, but it's about fish because
• 32:07
  I went to the supermarket in Salambosh and there was so much meat, right?
• 32:14
  So I saw, like, meat everywhere and then I saw a fish counter and it had one type of fish
• 32:19
  on it.
• 32:20
  So I thought that it was a promotion.
• 32:21
  You know when people are pushing like one product, so I go to the lady who works at
• 32:24
  the supermarket and I'm like, so sorry to bother you.
• 32:26
  Could you tell me where the fish is, like, where the fish section?
• 32:29
  That's what she said.
• 32:30
  This one, this one table, I don't even know what a fish was.
• 32:35
  I was so confused that I didn't even buy the fish in the end because I was like, what?
• 32:39
  There's only one fish.
• 32:40
  She said, yes.
• 32:41
  And so I said to people, do people not eat fish here and people are saying to me at
• 32:46
  restaurants, they're more likely to order it, but they're not likely to buy it at the
• 32:50
  supermarket and cook at home.
• 32:52
  Yeah.
• 32:53
  And I eat everything, right?
• 32:54
  So it's not that I'm anti-meat, but certain countries make me cognizant of meat and
• 33:01
  South Africa is one of those places.
• 33:03
  South Africa is a love meat, man.
• 33:05
  South Africa is a love meat, there's meat, everything.
• 33:08
  But even like the veg area in this particular supermarket was disproportionate to the meat.
• 33:14
  It's probably because it's still in Bosch, man, because it become this side, you have
• 33:21
  different kind of fish, you have octopus, you have squid, everything, what you want.
• 33:25
  So it's just out there.
• 33:26
  Yeah, it's probably still in Bosch, honestly, it's probably inland, kind of, as Mr.
• 33:31
  Bosch.
• 33:33
  I was shocked how much meat there was.
• 33:36
  Yeah, they love the meat, man.
• 33:38
  I mean, you can't be vegan here.
• 33:40
  Even antelope.
• 33:41
  Okay, I haven't had antelope, have you had antelope?
• 33:44
  Yeah, spring bark.
• 33:47
  Would you stop my can get either because it's their national way, call it animal.
• 33:52
  Animal.
• 33:53
  The rugby team is called it spring bark, but it's still eating it.
• 33:56
  Respect animal.
• 33:58
  It's still eating it, but I've tried Kudo, which is, I think that's the second biggest
• 34:05
  antelope.
• 34:06
  Huge, beautiful animal.
• 34:08
  It's stunning.
• 34:09
  Yeah, I've never eaten it.
• 34:10
  Elon.
• 34:11
  Elon, which is the biggest antelope, huge, massive, muscle, it just tastes beefy, it tastes
• 34:18
  very wild.
• 34:19
  Which is yummy.
• 34:20
  It is wild.
• 34:21
  It's like, it's a game.
• 34:22
  It's yummy.
• 34:23
  So it tastes.
• 34:24
  Is there anything you wouldn't try?
• 34:27
  I've been offered when I was in Botswana, I was offered snake.
• 34:32
  And you didn't try it?
• 34:33
  No, I'm so bred up.
• 34:36
  We are right, you can't try that.
• 34:39
  Give me chicken.
• 34:40
  Do you know what I mean?
• 34:41
  So like, reptile is born, I'm gonna know.
• 34:43
  I've had alligator in Miami.
• 34:47
  Oh, it is.
• 34:48
  I really enjoyed it.
• 34:49
  So I'm imagining like fishy are chicken.
• 34:55
  So the texture was seafoody, from a textual perspective.
• 35:00
  From a taste perspective, I wouldn't say chickeny, right?
• 35:05
  But then it's like, people say that frogs taste like chicken.
• 35:07
  I don't think it tastes like chicken.
• 35:11
  I think people just say everything tastes like chicken because they don't have the words
• 35:14
  to describe what it actually tastes like.
• 35:16
  That's what I want to say.
• 35:17
  Yeah, I think alligator is leaning more textually to like, longastine, kind of big shrimpy
• 35:24
  texture, vibe.
• 35:27
  I feel like I would try more things.
• 35:29
  I've tried ostrich.
• 35:30
  Okay, yes, I've had ostrich, yeah.
• 35:32
  And it's red meat.
• 35:33
  A lot of people don't even know that.
• 35:34
  Yeah.
• 35:35
  It's red meat.
• 35:36
  Yeah, I think the only thing I couldn't try is like some kind of bush right business.
• 35:43
  That just doesn't appear to me.
• 35:44
  That's something.
• 35:45
  Yeah, I don't think I could do it.
• 35:47
  Which country of them think they can bush right or they can eat it?
• 35:50
  So I think in Nigeria.
• 35:51
  In Africa, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:52
  Because my dad was in Nigeria and wasn't.
• 35:54
  And I think also if it looks ratty, like if it looks like like a rodent, yeah, I don't
• 36:00
  think.
• 36:01
  And it's no disrespect.
• 36:02
  Because mentally you think of rats not being clean.
• 36:05
  I have a genuine phobia of rats, genuine phobia.
• 36:09
  Like there was one on my leg once.
• 36:11
  And since then I had fallen in a sleep and I woke up and the thing was on my leg.
• 36:15
  And since then it's just game over for me.
• 36:17
  Like even if it's in a movie, I can't watch, you have to tell me, it's safe to open up
• 36:21
  your eyes.
• 36:22
  There's a watch in India turquoise with splint on it.
• 36:24
  No, no, no.
• 36:25
  I'm not doing anything that is even like animated rat is just not or most is not for me.
• 36:31
  So I don't think I could eat that.
• 36:33
  But we were in Cambodia recently and we ate tarantulas, I thoroughly enjoyed them.
• 36:38
  They were spicy.
• 36:39
  Big ones?
• 36:40
  Yeah, massive.
• 36:41
  Really?
• 36:42
  Yes, spicy crunchy.
• 36:43
  And like, I mean good protein.
• 36:45
  Right.
• 36:46
  My kids are all about the texture.
• 36:47
  So they love that.
• 36:49
  We had crickets.
• 36:50
  They call them coconut crickets because they're just massive.
• 36:53
  What's the name of it?
• 36:56
  I can't remember the name.
• 36:57
  What are the worms that they eat here?
• 36:59
  They eat worms here?
• 37:00
  I don't know what are worms.
• 37:01
  What?
• 37:02
  Look, in Africa here, yeah, like I can't remember the name, what's someone on the worms,
• 37:08
  right?
• 37:09
  Yeah, they eat that.
• 37:10
  They eat that.
• 37:11
  I think Modata tried it.
• 37:12
  So what does it look like?
• 37:13
  It looks sloggy?
• 37:14
  It looks, yeah, black.
• 37:16
  And then, yeah, I've...
• 37:19
  You've not tried it.
• 37:20
  No, I haven't.
• 37:21
  You wouldn't try it.
• 37:22
  No.
• 37:23
  Why?
• 37:24
  Why?
• 37:25
  You know what?
• 37:26
  When I go to a restaurant, I don't know.
• 37:28
  Right?
• 37:29
  Or food that I'm not used to.
• 37:31
  I play it safe.
• 37:33
  Give me burger.
• 37:35
  Or give me pizza.
• 37:38
  What happens when you go to a restaurant that doesn't have a burger or pizza?
• 37:43
  You just have chicken.
• 37:44
  Yeah.
• 37:45
  Yeah.
• 37:46
  Your Jamaican.
• 37:48
  Yeah, that...
• 37:49
  I mean, chicken...
• 37:50
  Yo, listen.
• 37:51
  Girl, punch chicken.
• 37:52
  Chicken.
• 37:53
  I'd go to, man.
• 37:54
  You're definitely Jamaican.
• 37:55
  Yeah.
• 37:56
  I might have doubted it with your timing because you're so early.
• 37:59
  But no, I don't know what it is about Jamaicans.
• 38:03
  Just don't like to try people food.
• 38:05
  Yeah.
• 38:06
  You know what?
• 38:08
  And I love trying people.
• 38:09
  So I'm not black with my hair and I'm not Jamaican with my palate.
• 38:12
  But, yeah.
• 38:13
  And everything else.
• 38:14
  For me, like...
• 38:15
  All right.
• 38:16
  I've been tried pop.
• 38:18
  Somebody was telling me it's the...
• 38:20
  Yeah, the me is me.
• 38:21
  I love that.
• 38:22
  I've not had it.
• 38:23
  Kind of look like mashed potatoes.
• 38:25
  Okay.
• 38:26
  Right?
• 38:27
  First time I tried that.
• 38:29
  So, basically, I need to eat with your hands, right?
• 38:32
  Right.
• 38:33
  So you take it, you dip it in gravy.
• 38:35
  Yep.
• 38:36
  And then you eat.
• 38:37
  Right.
• 38:38
  And the first time I tried it, I'm like...
• 38:40
  All right.
• 38:41
  Thank you.
• 38:43
  You don't like it?
• 38:44
  I don't say no.
• 38:45
  Because the thing is, by the time it goes into your mouth...
• 38:48
  Right.
• 38:49
  The gravy gone.
• 38:50
  The taste...
• 38:51
  You already swallow that.
• 38:53
  And then it's just this bland texture anymore with no taste, right?
• 38:59
  Right.
• 39:00
  And people only say, oh, it depends on who makes it for you.
• 39:03
  That I understand that.
• 39:04
  Okay.
• 39:05
  And you don't have given it another try.
• 39:07
  So you have tried a few other tries.
• 39:09
  But it's still the same.
• 39:10
  I'm sorry.
• 39:11
  Yeah, I'm all right.
• 39:13
  Yo, it's a staple here.
• 39:15
  And people love it.
• 39:16
  And I get it.
• 39:18
  It's cheap as well.
• 39:19
  Okay.
• 39:20
  It's cheap because it's just me as me.
• 39:22
  You can make any, just put whatever in it.
• 39:24
  You mix it until it turns creamy or whatever.
• 39:26
  Right.
• 39:27
  It's not for you.
• 39:28
  Yeah.
• 39:29
  No.
• 39:30
  I mean, I was a vegetarian.
• 39:31
  Oh, really?
• 39:32
  Yeah, yeah.
• 39:33
  And that's when I discovered you can eat quinoa.
• 39:39
  You have a thing called mallet.
• 39:41
  Yeah.
• 39:42
  You have so many greens.
• 39:43
  I cooked quinoa for my girls today.
• 39:44
  Oh, really?
• 39:45
  Yeah.
• 39:46
  Yeah, yeah.
• 39:47
  You have so many greens.
• 39:48
  I don't eat rice.
• 39:49
  So I like to.
• 39:50
  Why?
• 39:51
  So I did some work with pulse ones.
• 39:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 39:56
  And I was at 14 and I was on a cracker's and water diet.
• 40:00
  Right?
• 40:01
  Which I'm sure you can understand.
• 40:03
  Mm-hmm.
• 40:04
  And after that, I just never went back to the rice.
• 40:07
  I never loved rice before.
• 40:09
  And I think having the time away from the rice
• 40:12
  I was like, cool, I'm not going to waste calories on rice.
• 40:16
  But if you're cooking and you cook rice and peas,
• 40:19
  I love the smell of the coconut milk.
• 40:21
  Okay.
• 40:22
  I just love it.
• 40:23
  And if you're cooking, I'll eat it.
• 40:24
  Right?
• 40:25
  Going to Southeast Asia.
• 40:26
  I'm not.
• 40:27
  And again, you cannot be out in those streets and not eat rice.
• 40:30
  Rice comes with every meal.
• 40:32
  Yeah.
• 40:33
  And I will do my best.
• 40:34
  Yeah, man.
• 40:35
  I'll do my best to explain to people.
• 40:36
  I just want veg.
• 40:37
  But there are times where you just like, Lord God,
• 40:39
  let me just need them to rise up because it's there.
• 40:41
  So, but rice is not, I think.
• 40:42
  So I do love like other grains.
• 40:44
  Yeah.
• 40:45
  But I'm interested how it is being vegetarian here.
• 40:47
  Because they love meat so much.
• 40:48
  I mean, all right.
• 40:50
  So like, keep tone.
• 40:52
  Yeah, vegan restaurants.
• 40:54
  Oh, yeah.
• 40:55
  So you can survive.
• 40:56
  Or you have vegan menu.
• 40:57
  Okay.
• 40:58
  And all of that.
• 40:59
  So you can survive here.
• 41:00
  Right.
• 41:01
  You know, I mean.
• 41:02
  Why did you stop?
• 41:03
  Yeah.
• 41:04
  Serbia.
• 41:05
  Serbian, I believe.
• 41:06
  You know, in a vegetable.
• 41:07
  No, not that.
• 41:08
  What?
• 41:09
  Serbia.
• 41:10
  Yo.
• 41:11
  Because, because, um, she's half Serbian.
• 41:14
  Okay.
• 41:15
  So we got to Serbia a few times.
• 41:18
  And, you know, I mean, like, Serbia, you're going to a superma,
• 41:22
  as you talk about selling rice.
• 41:23
  Right.
• 41:24
  I know limited the vegetables were and all of that in the supermarket.
• 41:27
  It was even more.
• 41:29
  In Serbia.
• 41:30
  I'm a, because
• 41:56
  And um, I want my boys and we'll go this restaurant and think I'm on a chicken and because it's our meat.
• 42:03
  Right.
• 42:04
  Africa.
• 42:04
  I mean, I know about something like Africa would have just meat, straight, right?
• 42:07
  Um, I got, I'm a teller girl, I don't eat meat so I'm gonna ask her what I'm gonna eat.
• 42:13
  What's available?
• 42:14
  And the girl who put me like my alien, she said what?
• 42:16
  You don't why?
• 42:17
  And you know what my other?
• 42:19
  Fries?
• 42:20
  Ambient bean.
• 42:21
  Literally.
• 42:22
  Literally.
• 42:23
  Literally.
• 42:24
  Fries?
• 42:25
  Ambient bean.
• 42:26
  That's not that meat.
• 42:27
  Because that, that's all I had that never involved meat.
• 42:31
  Wow.
• 42:32
  Yeah.
• 42:33
  And you sure I said the beans never have like a, like a meat in, in the oil.
• 42:37
  No man.
• 42:38
  We get it from the can.
• 42:39
  Okay.
• 42:40
  Fresh.
• 42:41
  Fresh.
• 42:42
  It's like when people come to Jamaica and them have um, soupies.
• 42:46
  Yeah.
• 42:47
  And they expect it to just be peas, right?
• 42:50
  Uh-huh.
• 42:51
  It could be teal.
• 42:52
  Literally.
• 42:53
  I've seen so many people have this experience that they think they're ordering a vegetarian
• 42:58
  dish.
• 42:59
  Dish.
• 43:00
  Yeah.
• 43:01
  And they are mortified.
• 43:02
  I mean, yeah.
• 43:03
  No, no.
• 43:04
  I've learned to quote that as well.
• 43:06
  Okay.
• 43:07
  Here.
• 43:08
  Um.
• 43:09
  I know.
• 43:10
  Cook rice a lot.
• 43:11
  Yeah.
• 43:12
  I love rice, man.
• 43:13
  I'll eat rice every day.
• 43:14
  I have a friend as long as the gravy is good.
• 43:16
  Yeah.
• 43:17
  You know I'm just rice and gravy.
• 43:18
  Wow.
• 43:19
  Mudata.
• 43:20
  Papa.
• 43:21
  Yeah.
• 43:22
  That's why I feel about chicken foot soup.
• 43:23
  Oh really?
• 43:24
  I can't eat it anymore.
• 43:25
  Um, chicken foot.
• 43:26
  You've never had chicken foot soup.
• 43:27
  So my health is always make chicken foot soup.
• 43:28
  And I used to love it when I was younger.
• 43:29
  Yeah.
• 43:30
  And I think I ate it so much.
• 43:31
  It now looks like baby's hands.
• 43:32
  I even browns to um, chicken foot.
• 43:33
  I love them.
• 43:34
  I'll never add it.
• 43:35
  Really?
• 43:36
  Never.
• 43:37
  Uh-huh.
• 43:38
  You don't eat.
• 43:39
  You eat pig's tail or them?
• 43:40
  You don't.
• 43:41
  Yeah.
• 43:42
  I mean, eat them.
• 43:43
  But like, even.
• 43:44
  Yeah.
• 43:45
  Yeah.
• 43:46
  Yeah.
• 43:47
  Yeah.
• 43:48
  I think they have liver.
• 43:49
  You don't eat liver?
• 43:50
  Yo.
• 43:51
  Me.
• 43:52
  He had liver.
• 43:53
  Really?
• 43:54
  Because I think you would.
• 43:55
  We used to get that every day for every part.
• 43:57
  Okay.
• 43:58
  Every day.
• 43:59
  I love liver.
• 44:00
  It's unparage.
• 44:01
  Music gets it every day.
• 44:02
  The moment when I became old enough to say no.
• 44:05
  No.
• 44:06
  I eat that.
• 44:07
  When I look back upon that.
• 44:08
  And it's funny, right?
• 44:09
  Like, I cook.
• 44:10
  And I'd like to.
• 44:11
  Yeah.
• 44:12
  Yeah.
• 44:13
  Yeah.
• 44:14
  Yeah.
• 44:15
  Yeah.
• 44:16
  Yeah.
• 44:17
  Like, I cook.
• 44:18
  And I'd like to think that I've had a career in this industry as a chef and restaurateur.
• 44:22
  So I'd like to think that my food is good.
• 44:25
  But I can't make liver like whole, like proper.
• 44:29
  Like the beef, beef liver.
• 44:31
  Yeah.
• 44:32
  Yeah.
• 44:33
  It's just, it's just never.
• 44:34
  I smell it.
• 44:35
  I smell it.
• 44:36
  I can eat it all day.
• 44:38
  And when I go home now, when I was younger, you couldn't get me to eat liver.
• 44:42
  But you couldn't get me to eat lots of, like, food when I was younger.
• 44:45
  I never, like, I can't selfish.
• 44:46
  Really?
• 44:47
  Never.
• 44:48
  Are you sure you had your American?
• 44:49
  No.
• 44:50
  I love I can't selfish.
• 44:51
  But the texture.
• 44:52
  Oh, the akit.
• 44:53
  Yeah, man.
• 44:54
  Yeah.
• 44:55
  Yeah.
• 44:56
  In I never like it.
• 44:57
  I never used to eat oxal.
• 44:58
  Never.
• 44:59
  You know what?
• 45:00
  It was too gelatinous.
• 45:01
  I'm not a fan of oxal.
• 45:02
  Oh, no.
• 45:03
  No.
• 45:04
  No.
• 45:05
  I'm still not a fan.
• 45:06
  The gravy.
• 45:07
  Okay.
• 45:08
  The gravy.
• 45:09
  But you don't want to meet.
• 45:10
  When we go, when we go, like, I'll let them rest around them, cook shop, then.
• 45:13
  Yeah.
• 45:14
  On fried chicken.
• 45:15
  Yeah.
• 45:16
  On rice on peas.
• 45:17
  Oh, oxal.
• 45:18
  A gravy.
• 45:19
  This.
• 45:20
  It's like the last time it's home, I go to this place and then have the board with everything
• 45:22
  that they have for the day.
• 45:23
  And I could not for the life of me choose between curry goat and oxal.
• 45:27
  I just couldn't.
• 45:28
  I was like.
• 45:29
  I didn't agree with it.
• 45:30
  No, just.
• 45:31
  I wanted it.
• 45:32
  I just said, lady, what I should have.
• 45:33
  I should have curry goat.
• 45:34
  I should have oxal.
• 45:35
  And she starts, man.
• 45:36
  She said, you can have both, you know.
• 45:38
  I said, what?
• 45:39
  I was like, really?
• 45:40
  She said, yeah, man.
• 45:41
  And you have made my day like not to have to choose.
• 45:45
  Yeah.
• 45:46
  Yeah.
• 45:47
  I mean, me.
• 45:48
  I still talk born in one.
• 45:50
  Really?
• 45:51
  Not a lot of meat, man.
• 45:52
  Yeah, but you suck the born.
• 45:54
  I'm not good at sucking.
• 45:55
  Oh, and really?
• 45:56
  Is that just oxal or is that just in general?
• 45:59
  Yeah, I mean, no, no.
• 46:03
  It's just something more oxal.
• 46:05
  We're not like one.
• 46:07
  Oh, man.
• 46:08
  But we have some version when, when them eat oxal.
• 46:11
  When them don't, you don't know, oxal and eat enough.
• 46:14
  Born mashup, everything mashup.
• 46:16
  Everything.
• 46:17
  Yeah.
• 46:18
  Don't you make on food, man?
• 46:19
  Yeah.
• 46:20
  And that's, that's the one thing I miss here, man.
• 46:23
  Because you don't even have the ingredients.
• 46:25
  Yeah.
• 46:26
  My girls were asking for plantin because normally they're breakfasts,
• 46:29
  like scrambled eggs, plantin, pear.
• 46:31
  Plantin, you can't, you can't, you can't get here.
• 46:33
  I couldn't find it.
• 46:34
  No, you're not going to know my supermarket.
• 46:36
  Okay.
• 46:37
  Yeah, like the West African, the Nigerians, and all of that.
• 46:40
  You can go find it.
• 46:41
  That's a little store, our little shop, where you can go.
• 46:43
  But sometimes you have a drive.
• 46:45
  Yeah.
• 46:46
  You know, half an hour, four out of five minutes.
• 46:48
  So just go find it.
• 46:49
  You know what I mean?
• 46:50
  And then, you know, because it comes from that side.
• 46:53
  Right.
• 46:54
  You have to be a premium.
• 46:55
  Right.
• 46:56
  You know what I mean?
• 46:57
  Like, sometimes we look at it, like, even yum.
• 47:00
  I'm not eating yum in years.
• 47:02
  You know what I'm saying?
• 47:03
  But sometimes I go, I want to look at the yum.
• 47:05
  And that's it.
• 47:06
  It's worth it though.
• 47:07
  Right.
• 47:08
  You know what I mean?
• 47:09
  For the price of the matcha, I was trying to know the matcha.
• 47:10
  Yes.
• 47:11
  I'm going to send it.
• 47:12
  Oh, it's all right.
• 47:13
  That's one of the things I love about Bali.
• 47:16
  All of their ingredients are hours.
• 47:19
  It's for the ingredients.
• 47:20
  It's for the ingredients.
• 47:21
  It's for the shop.
• 47:22
  Yeah, but I never expected it.
• 47:23
  It's for the shop.
• 47:24
  But not only is it hours, it tastes like food pumpkin.
• 47:28
  So like, you know, you can get pumpkin in lots of places.
• 47:31
  But it doesn't taste like it came from the soil of Jamaica.
• 47:35
  The pumpkin in Bali has the same sweetness, like that natural, rich flavor as always.
• 47:41
  And they don't...
• 47:42
  I don't know how they use planting.
• 47:43
  And I've been asking people because...
• 47:45
  In Bali.
• 47:46
  Yeah, because a lot of people are buying it green.
• 47:48
  And so I'm like, okay, cool.
• 47:49
  And so when it's yellow, I just get it super cheap.
• 47:52
  Because I think for them, it's a waste product.
• 47:54
  Right.
• 47:55
  It's done.
• 47:56
  Whereas for me, that's like, probably I love planting.
• 47:58
  Even in the year or so.
• 47:59
  Like...
• 48:00
  Really?
• 48:01
  Green planting.
• 48:02
  They don't.
• 48:03
  Oh, okay.
• 48:04
  They don't eat.
• 48:05
  They don't eat.
• 48:06
  That's like, no.
• 48:07
  Okay.
• 48:08
  And I mean, yes, it's good.
• 48:09
  But yeah, they only sell it when it's yellow in the shop.
• 48:19
  Yeah.
• 48:20
  Wow.
• 48:21
  Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about...
• 48:25
  Like, what is South African food?
• 48:28
  Because yes, I get the bribe, I get the barbecue.
• 48:31
  I recently learned about Cape Malay.
• 48:33
  Yeah, that's the color side.
• 48:35
  Yes.
• 48:36
  African Malaysian.
• 48:38
  Yeah, yeah.
• 48:39
  And I found it super interesting, super flavorful.
• 48:42
  For people that don't know, like food here.
• 48:44
  Again, because like you said, there are so many restaurants.
• 48:46
  You can kind of eat any cuisine here.
• 48:48
  Yeah, from all over the world.
• 48:49
  Yeah.
• 48:50
  How would you describe South African food?
• 48:53
  Yeah, I've heard that.
• 48:54
  Shaka Laka.
• 48:55
  I've heard, but I've never had it.
• 48:57
  Yeah, it's like a mixture of sauce and vegetable and all of that.
• 49:02
  It's good?
• 49:03
  Yeah, yeah, it's dope.
• 49:04
  And spicy.
• 49:05
  Spicy.
• 49:06
  As it's a built-in bonicio.
• 49:09
  I've heard of bonicio.
• 49:11
  That's the Korean bread.
• 49:12
  In the bread, yeah.
• 49:13
  Yeah, but I haven't had it either.
• 49:15
  I feel like I need to eat these things before I leave.
• 49:17
  Yeah, you need to try.
• 49:18
  Because when you eat a bonicio there, you have to sleep.
• 49:23
  Really?
• 49:24
  Yeah.
• 49:25
  Real food.
• 49:26
  I mean, the bread, it absorbs all the gravy and the meat and all of that.
• 49:33
  Are there places in Cape Town that you can recommend?
• 49:36
  Yeah.
• 49:37
  Okay, so I can get my figs.
• 49:38
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 49:39
  We all have a few days.
• 49:40
  So we have to start stowed.
• 49:41
  Yeah, mine.
• 49:42
  As in the bonicio.
• 49:43
  Yeah.
• 49:44
  Yeah, mine.
• 49:45
  Book up.
• 49:46
  Book up is where the colorful hoses are.
• 49:49
  Okay.
• 49:50
  So that's where I need to live.
• 49:51
  The Muslim community.
• 49:52
  Okay.
• 49:53
  Okay, I'm going to make it happen.
• 49:54
  I've no, I've not had any of that.
• 49:56
  I've had, what's the sausage with them all thought about?
• 50:00
  Boravos?
• 50:01
  Yes.
• 50:02
  Boravos.
• 50:03
  I don't really like them.
• 50:04
  Yeah, I mean, it's something big here, but it's okay.
• 50:07
  I mean, if you go to Germany and you try the votes.
• 50:10
  You know, I mean the curve votes or whatever.
• 50:12
  Then you say, yeah, this is sausage.
• 50:14
  This is sausage.
• 50:15
  I always struggle with that word.
• 50:17
  Sushis.
• 50:18
  Sushis.
• 50:19
  You want the pork.
• 50:20
  And everything is how much sushis you want.
• 50:23
  Sushis.
• 50:24
  Oh, man.
• 50:25
  Yeah.
• 50:26
  No, the food.
• 50:27
  The food, I think, is cool from a quality perspective.
• 50:31
  Like when you buy ingredients here, it's really nice.
• 50:33
  You're right.
• 50:34
  The ingredients feel good.
• 50:35
  People always come here and say the food is fresh.
• 50:37
  Yeah.
• 50:38
  They like it.
• 50:39
  You know what I mean?
• 50:40
  It's just true.
• 50:41
  It's true.
• 50:42
  And I pride myself on that.
• 50:43
  But, you know, sometimes like the service.
• 50:49
  You've just reminded me.
• 50:50
  I have a review to go on right.
• 50:52
  I don't write reviews, right?
• 50:53
  Again.
• 50:54
  Being in the restaurant industry, I feel bad to write a review.
• 50:57
  It has to be really bad for me to write something.
• 51:00
  And most times, I'll be like, oh, I'm going to write a review.
• 51:03
  And then you sleep on it.
• 51:04
  And I'm like, I'm not going to become a keyboard warrior.
• 51:06
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:07
  Like, whatever.
• 51:08
  But you've just reminded me that actually, I do want to hold on.
• 51:10
  Trust me, right?
• 51:11
  Because the thing is, like, sometimes you'll go to a restaurant and then it will be you and another table.
• 51:18
  And you add a food and it takes like five to five minutes.
• 51:21
  Right.
• 51:22
  I catch you go catch me.
• 51:24
  Like you go catch the animal, the corn, slaughter, it and do all that.
• 51:28
  Because I mean, it's just two tables.
• 51:31
  Right.
• 51:32
  You know?
• 51:33
  Yeah.
• 51:34
  And then.
• 51:35
  But also just a lack of warmth.
• 51:36
  And then what I found really strange, so we get the bill.
• 51:39
  And the girls always go and ask for the bill.
• 51:40
  That's their thing.
• 51:41
  And they pay.
• 51:42
  Yeah.
• 51:43
  And the lady comes to the table and she says, how much are you paying?
• 51:46
  And I was confused.
• 51:47
  Because I had a lot.
• 51:48
  Like, I showed you a tip.
• 51:49
  Yeah.
• 51:50
  But I didn't understand.
• 51:51
  Because I'm used to, first of all, I'm used to service being in there.
• 51:55
  Yeah.
• 51:56
  The gratuity.
• 51:57
  Yes.
• 51:58
  And I'll pay whatever.
• 51:59
  And then it was just the way that she demanded this.
• 52:01
  But you had made zero effort.
• 52:03
  I agree.
• 52:04
  To be hospitable.
• 52:05
  Customer service.
• 52:06
  Like this.
• 52:07
  Like this.
• 52:08
  Don't exist here and keep down.
• 52:09
  But also what I find funny, right?
• 52:11
  So Jamaican obviously we know poor customer service.
• 52:14
  But our poor customer service feels very deliberate.
• 52:17
  You know what I'm saying?
• 52:18
  Like if someone is rude to us, then want to be rude, right?
• 52:22
  Like it's rude with an extreme, I tell people all the time, Jamaicans are extreme.
• 52:27
  Yeah.
• 52:28
  We are either warm or cold.
• 52:29
  There's no middle.
• 52:30
  That's it.
• 52:31
  Yeah.
• 52:32
  So when the people are rude, it is so rude that you're like, cool.
• 52:35
  It was supposed to be this way.
• 52:37
  Yeah.
• 52:38
  Whereas the rudeness here that I find is just indifferent.
• 52:41
  They don't know.
• 52:42
  You know what I mean?
• 52:43
  They don't.
• 52:44
  I remember one time we went to KFC.
• 52:47
  Me and one of my boys, right?
• 52:49
  And yeah, that's whatever I wanted to add up.
• 52:52
  And I said to him, Oscar for repeated.
• 52:55
  Okay.
• 52:56
  I sure repeated.
• 52:57
  I know what I said.
• 52:59
  Good.
• 53:00
  When the food comes.
• 53:01
  It wasn't there.
• 53:02
  Of course there's a wrong menu.
• 53:03
  It's a wrong, Adam.
• 53:05
  Yo.
• 53:06
  And then the thing is, yeah, I asked her for pasta straw.
• 53:10
  It's like a big iron.
• 53:12
  For pasta straw.
• 53:13
  Make up fees.
• 53:14
  All of that.
• 53:15
  You know what I'm saying?
• 53:16
  But I mean, you should have given us a shot from the get-go.
• 53:19
  Right.
• 53:20
  You know, whenever they ask, the fact that we ask, there's a lot.
• 53:23
  Sure.
• 53:24
  Yeah.
• 53:25
  Because even the sister came here a few years ago and she picked it up immediately.
• 53:30
  She just said the lack of customer service.
• 53:32
  She came for a conference here.
• 53:34
  Okay.
• 53:35
  And then we're talking about, you know, all of that.
• 53:37
  And yeah, she said.
• 53:40
  And that hierarchy is aware that that's a problem.
• 53:46
  Okay.
• 53:47
  But still nothing has been done.
• 53:49
  Nothing has been done because I guess it will cost the train.
• 53:53
  Okay.
• 53:54
  And they're not seeing where the benefits would come.
• 53:57
  Exactly.
• 53:58
  And the thing is, a lot of people just ignore it and just go.
• 54:02
  And until they stop going to certain places.
• 54:06
  Right.
• 54:07
  Because it's so bad.
• 54:08
  Then they won't do anything about it.
• 54:11
  You know what I mean?
• 54:12
  Which is sad.
• 54:13
  Because come on, man.
• 54:14
  You can't make somebody go to your store and feel uncomfortable.
• 54:17
  You know what I mean?
• 54:18
  Yeah.
• 54:19
  What is the perception of Jamaicans here?
• 54:21
  Like, is there a strong, because I say this, if you had, and I had had this conversation
• 54:26
  a year ago, I would presume that everywhere knows Jamaica, right?
• 54:30
  But in Southeast Asia.
• 54:31
  A lot of them.
• 54:32
  But I'm like, I know.
• 54:34
  I'm sorry.
• 54:35
  It's Jamaica.
• 54:36
  I don't have a two accent.
• 54:37
  I'm like, Bob Marley.
• 54:38
  Them say no.
• 54:39
  A man, a man, a man.
• 54:40
  I said, regular music.
• 54:42
  He's like, no, no, I don't.
• 54:44
  So I played.
• 54:45
  I was determined.
• 54:46
  Yeah.
• 54:47
  I was like, you are going.
• 54:48
  You have a no of a contract, right?
• 54:49
  Yeah.
• 54:50
  So I'm starting to play like one love.
• 54:52
  The man, a man, same.
• 54:53
  Don't know young people music.
• 54:55
  I said, I said, what?
• 54:58
  Young people.
• 54:59
  I said, three little birds.
• 55:00
  I played three little birds.
• 55:01
  I'm saying, no, no, no.
• 55:02
  Everything wants to know.
• 55:03
  But here, they seem to have an awareness for regular, obviously.
• 55:07
  I met a lady yesterday.
• 55:09
  She was very excited.
• 55:10
  She goes, you're the first Jamaican that I've met in real life.
• 55:13
  Oh, really?
• 55:14
  Yeah.
• 55:15
  I get that a lot.
• 55:16
  She's like, I've seen Jamaicans online.
• 55:18
  I've seen things on that.
• 55:19
  But I've never met one in person.
• 55:21
  I get that a lot.
• 55:22
  And she was super excited.
• 55:23
  Yeah.
• 55:24
  No, I mean, even, yo, we got Bosnia.
• 55:27
  We got Bosnia.
• 55:29
  I meet this guy.
• 55:30
  Someone comes from Jamaica.
• 55:32
  And I'm like, what?
• 55:33
  Molly.
• 55:34
  I understand.
• 55:35
  I'm so one love area.
• 55:36
  Yeah.
• 55:37
  Even Bosnia, I don't know.
• 55:39
  You know what?
• 55:40
  Asia, Mekanda, Sanbo here.
• 55:44
  The perception of Jamaican men are women.
• 55:48
  Oh, give me both.
• 55:49
  All right.
• 55:51
  The women.
• 55:53
  They're beautiful.
• 55:54
  They're curvy.
• 55:55
  They have rhythm.
• 55:56
  They know for move.
• 55:57
  And all of that.
• 55:59
  Jamaican men.
• 56:01
  Una dog.
• 56:02
  Really?
• 56:03
  Yeah.
• 56:04
  For some reason.
• 56:05
  Oh, no.
• 56:06
  We are players.
• 56:08
  Really?
• 56:09
  Yeah.
• 56:10
  More so than other cultures or just men in general.
• 56:13
  Or Jamaican men.
• 56:14
  Jamaican men.
• 56:15
  Okay.
• 56:16
  It hurts.
• 56:17
  It hurts.
• 56:18
  Yo, listen.
• 56:20
  So is there truth to that?
• 56:21
  Do you think?
• 56:22
  The first few years I got here.
• 56:27
  That stigma was attached to me.
• 56:29
  Okay.
• 56:30
  You see that one?
• 56:31
  That Jamaican model?
• 56:33
  Avoid him.
• 56:34
  Really?
• 56:35
  Yeah.
• 56:36
  He likes.
• 56:37
  You're just a womanizer.
• 56:38
  He likes women.
• 56:40
  You understand?
• 56:41
  That's what they said.
• 56:42
  So is it true?
• 56:43
  But there was no proof.
• 56:44
  But is it true?
• 56:45
  There was no proof.
• 56:46
  But is it true?
• 56:48
  So today is a beautiful day, right?
• 56:54
  Oh, my gosh.
• 56:57
  Yeah.
• 56:58
  And as I said, they know a lot about the music, right?
• 57:04
  Bob Mali, the whole work, because during apartheid,
• 57:07
  reggae music was used to help.
• 57:09
  Funnily, reggae music was banned here.
• 57:13
  What's it?
• 57:14
  During apartheid.
• 57:15
  Because they didn't want the information.
• 57:16
  Because of the liberation music.
• 57:17
  Right.
• 57:18
  The message, you understand?
• 57:19
  Yes.
• 57:20
  So whenever the music came,
• 57:22
  they will, like, the apartheid government
• 57:24
  would slash the records, the vinyl, the apartheid files,
• 57:27
  slash it.
• 57:28
  So it keeps, so I can't really hear.
• 57:30
  You know what I mean?
• 57:31
  Yeah.
• 57:32
  What does that mean?
• 57:33
  Wow.
• 57:34
  And the thing is, a lot of people here think
• 57:38
  Jamaica is in Africa.
• 57:39
  Do they?
• 57:40
  Yeah.
• 57:41
  I've noticed that.
• 57:42
  I always ask whenever they say,
• 57:45
  oh, you're in Jamaica and I'm saying, yeah.
• 57:47
  And I say, do you know where it is?
• 57:49
  Okay.
• 57:50
  So even in South Africa, they think that Jamaica is
• 57:53
  a neighbor.
• 57:54
  Yeah.
• 57:55
  Wow.
• 57:56
  Yeah.
• 57:57
  And because it makes sense, because we're very, very pro-black, pro-African,
• 58:02
  raster movements.
• 58:03
  Yes.
• 58:04
  And all of that.
• 58:05
  We're always talking about African in my dreams.
• 58:07
  So it must be a question.
• 58:08
  And all of that.
• 58:09
  Yeah.
• 58:10
  And I'm saying, no, we, half way across the world, you know what I mean?
• 58:13
  What is the perception of reggae music?
• 58:15
  No.
• 58:16
  Are there any remnants of the days when it was banned?
• 58:18
  Are there some people that still...
• 58:20
  No.
• 58:21
  No.
• 58:22
  And the youths here is straight hip-hop.
• 58:26
  Okay.
• 58:27
  Straight hip-hop.
• 58:28
  Yeah.
• 58:29
  They're not feeling reggae.
• 58:30
  Straight hip-hop.
• 58:31
  Like modern hip-hop, like...
• 58:34
  Yeah, hip-hop.
• 58:35
  Just hip-hop in general.
• 58:36
  Oh.
• 58:37
  I mean Zimbabwe.
• 58:38
  If you go Zimbabwe.
• 58:39
  Are you a meet-up Zimbabwe?
• 58:40
  Yes.
• 58:41
  A person from Zimbabwe here.
• 58:43
  Tell them to come from the Caribbean.
• 58:46
  Okay.
• 58:47
  Tell them to come from Jamaica.
• 58:49
  Because if you're telling me to come from Jamaica.
• 58:51
  Yeah, they're there for hours.
• 58:53
  Because they absolutely love Jamaica and love the culture and love everything about us.
• 58:59
  Okay.
• 59:00
  And when I went there, aside, I went to this party in Harari.
• 59:08
  You couldn't tell me another Jamaica that.
• 59:10
  Really?
• 59:11
  Yeah.
• 59:12
  The dancing.
• 59:13
  They play a lot of, like, 90s dance.
• 59:17
  Okay.
• 59:18
  And early 2000s.
• 59:19
  Yeah.
• 59:20
  Yeah.
• 59:21
  And the mind of my dance and even part of the mind of luck.
• 59:24
  Even part of it.
• 59:27
  That's crazy.
• 59:28
  Yeah, it's crazy.
• 59:29
  And this is the thing that people don't understand when I say that Jamaica is the best island in the world.
• 59:33
  Yeah.
• 59:34
  Because how are you going to be in Zimbabwe and seeing this influence of our culture?
• 59:39
  I mean, it's crazy because outside of America, black culture.
• 59:46
  Jamaica have the second biggest culture.
• 59:49
  Yeah.
• 59:50
  In terms of black people.
• 59:52
  Yeah.
• 59:53
  Inflates.
• 59:54
  Even when we go another gym.
• 59:56
  That I got you.
• 59:58
  A lot of South Africans.
• 59:59
  And they always greet me.
• 1:00:02
  Wa-guan.
• 1:00:03
  Ta-man.
• 1:00:04
  And any little Jamaica, you know.
• 1:00:06
  Sure.
• 1:00:07
  But they know.
• 1:00:08
  Yes.
• 1:00:09
  And because of the influence of them watching TV, watching series, watching whatever they watch.
• 1:00:14
  You understand?
• 1:00:15
  They're like, you okay.
• 1:00:16
  Ta-boy.
• 1:00:17
  Ta-boy.
• 1:00:18
  And them things.
• 1:00:19
  Yeah.
• 1:00:20
  Yeah.
• 1:00:21
  You know, so it's cool, man.
• 1:00:23
  And once I saw Jamaica, everything changed.
• 1:00:27
  Everybody just.
• 1:00:28
  Oh.
• 1:00:29
  Like, I remember one time I was with one of my friends with the American.
• 1:00:34
  And they asked, where is she from?
• 1:00:37
  She said I'm from Seattle.
• 1:00:38
  Not like that.
• 1:00:39
  And I said, I'm from Jamaica.
• 1:00:40
  And I said, what?
• 1:00:41
  Like.
• 1:00:42
  And the attention turned to me.
• 1:00:44
  You know what I mean?
• 1:00:45
  So yeah.
• 1:00:46
  And again, we don't come here often.
• 1:00:49
  So therefore, when we come here, people try to capitalize on getting to know what Jamaica
• 1:00:56
  is, what we are really like.
• 1:00:59
  Would you agree that our country suffers from brain drain, right?
• 1:01:03
  People go abroad and they don't come back.
• 1:01:05
  Yeah.
• 1:01:06
  Do you ever feel a sense of guilt or perhaps you should be returning to bring your wealth of experience,
• 1:01:15
  your knowledge, your passion that you have grown, right?
• 1:01:19
  As a person from seeing the world, should you be bringing it back home?
• 1:01:24
  Yes, I know.
• 1:01:27
  Explain.
• 1:01:28
  I mean, for me, I always say, all right, cool.
• 1:01:35
  If somebody boasts in their ass, right?
• 1:01:41
  Trying to make it.
• 1:01:42
  There's no support there.
• 1:01:44
  I see with even the Jamaica not leads.
• 1:01:46
  Where some of them start jumping ship on the other countries, right?
• 1:01:50
  The government has to do better.
• 1:01:52
  Because if I'm here boasting my ass and trying to reach where I want to be.
• 1:01:57
  And then when I get there, all of a sudden you're going to run in and try to bring me back to Jamaica
• 1:02:03
  and try to deal with me and all of them.
• 1:02:06
  I'm going to tell you.
• 1:02:09
  F-5.
• 1:02:10
  Yana-san, as much as I love my country, Yana-san, where is the support?
• 1:02:15
  It starts from there.
• 1:02:17
  So you felt unsupported when you were in Jamaica?
• 1:02:20
  No, not necessarily me.
• 1:02:23
  But I'm just saying, just in people in general.
• 1:02:25
  So I left Jamaica because I felt that my dreams were bigger than Jamaica.
• 1:02:32
  And I felt that I had this deep desire to showcase the place that I loved but to other people.
• 1:02:43
  And I felt that there was more weight in doing that abroad, right?
• 1:02:47
  Of course, we have tourists that come to Jamaica and you could argue very easily that you could open a restaurant in Jamaica
• 1:02:52
  and you could have Jamaica.
• 1:02:54
  But you know what?
• 1:02:55
  And I had this idea that if you could do it in London, if you could make it in London, then you could make it anywhere.
• 1:03:00
  And I always said, I'm coming back home.
• 1:03:03
  Looking back, however, I'm not sure if that belief was true to you what I'm saying.
• 1:03:11
  I look at the progress that Jamaica has made.
• 1:03:13
  I look at the changes that Jamaica has made.
• 1:03:16
  And I'm not sure if I needed to leave in order to become the next version of myself.
• 1:03:21
  Obviously, this is all speculative because I will never know.
• 1:03:25
  But sometimes I wonder if we are...
• 1:03:30
  It's a weird dichotomy because on one hand, we're very proud as Jamaica, right?
• 1:03:34
  Super proud, super confident, can't tell me nothing.
• 1:03:38
  And then on the other hand, I do feel like we have this idea that we need to...
• 1:03:43
  Whether it's education, we need to be educated, a foreign, you need to have communities abroad.
• 1:03:48
  It's a weird thing.
• 1:03:51
  I mean, you look at most of the politicians in Jamaica.
• 1:03:56
  I mean, their kids end up in the state study and all of that.
• 1:04:01
  For me, that's telling me, I don't trust our education system.
• 1:04:09
  Sure.
• 1:04:10
  As a politician, that's why it's telling me.
• 1:04:13
  You know what I mean?
• 1:04:15
  No.
• 1:04:16
  The kids in the universities in Jamaica.
• 1:04:19
  Let them stay there.
• 1:04:20
  Those are my broad.
• 1:04:21
  You know what I mean?
• 1:04:24
  Yeah, it's a weird one, man.
• 1:04:27
  But I've tried to...
• 1:04:30
  With my agents, right?
• 1:04:34
  Try to get them...
• 1:04:36
  Well, they agreed, right?
• 1:04:38
  First, to get...
• 1:04:40
  Like, go to Jamaica.
• 1:04:42
  Keep like a talent search.
• 1:04:44
  Okay.
• 1:04:45
  And find...
• 1:04:47
  A boy and a girl...
• 1:04:49
  To bring...
• 1:04:50
  To South Africa.
• 1:04:51
  Okay.
• 1:04:52
  To give them...
• 1:04:53
  Modeling experience.
• 1:04:54
  But not only modeling experience.
• 1:04:56
  Just experience a travel.
• 1:04:57
  And come outside...
• 1:04:59
  Of Jamaica.
• 1:05:01
  And see the world in a different light.
• 1:05:03
  You understand?
• 1:05:04
  Have them here for three months.
• 1:05:06
  While they're model.
• 1:05:07
  They can learn about different things.
• 1:05:09
  You know what I mean?
• 1:05:10
  So they have agreed.
• 1:05:11
  So it's for us to get it...
• 1:05:13
  On the ground, running in Jamaica.
• 1:05:15
  So we can go and do all of that.
• 1:05:17
  So that's something I want to do.
• 1:05:19
  And I want to do it every year.
• 1:05:22
  You know what I mean?
• 1:05:23
  Where every year we go and get, you know, two months.
• 1:05:25
  Yeah.
• 1:05:26
  The male and female to come.
• 1:05:27
  And experience just the fashion industry.
• 1:05:31
  Being an international model.
• 1:05:33
  You know what I mean?
• 1:05:35
  Yeah.
• 1:05:36
  Do Jamaica have a good reputation in the fashion industry?
• 1:05:41
  I have no clue.
• 1:05:43
  No.
• 1:05:44
  I have no clue.
• 1:05:47
  I mean, models are...
• 1:05:49
  Some...
• 1:05:50
  It depends on the individual.
• 1:05:51
  I know.
• 1:05:52
  It depends on where to come from.
• 1:05:53
  Yeah.
• 1:05:54
  Let's just say it's like...
• 1:05:56
  You hear of quite a few big success stories, right?
• 1:06:00
  And I imagine that...
• 1:06:02
  If you're leaving Jamaica for the first time to work internationally.
• 1:06:05
  Yeah.
• 1:06:06
  There is so much culture shock that you could experience.
• 1:06:09
  Yeah.
• 1:06:10
  That sometimes industries like fashion aren't very forgiving.
• 1:06:14
  Right?
• 1:06:15
  So you might have a young girl, a young guy, you know, New York for the first time.
• 1:06:18
  They're first winter.
• 1:06:19
  And, you know, winter can be depressing.
• 1:06:21
  I know.
• 1:06:22
  Right?
• 1:06:23
  Like it can...
• 1:06:24
  For some people, it's just the weather.
• 1:06:25
  But for others, your spirit is like you say broken.
• 1:06:29
  Yeah.
• 1:06:30
  So if the industry isn't necessarily kind, you know, fashion is what it is, right?
• 1:06:37
  It's not necessarily going to make space for you to work out your new alignment.
• 1:06:42
  Yeah.
• 1:06:43
  The thing is, you just have to be adaptable and just take it on the chin, man.
• 1:06:50
  Yeah.
• 1:06:51
  And just roll with it and learn and try to learn quickly.
• 1:06:53
  You know what I mean?
• 1:06:54
  Just try to pick up things and understand how the industry works.
• 1:06:59
  You know what I mean?
• 1:07:00
  Because I always tell people that us, the models, or the talent, is at least important.
• 1:07:10
  Okay.
• 1:07:11
  To the production.
• 1:07:12
  Right.
• 1:07:13
  You understand?
• 1:07:14
  Because they can replace us.
• 1:07:15
  No.
• 1:07:16
  Right.
• 1:07:17
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:07:18
  Yeah.
• 1:07:19
  But they can replace the director like that.
• 1:07:21
  The production company did this and that.
• 1:07:23
  You know what I mean?
• 1:07:24
  All of those are more important than us.
• 1:07:27
  So once you know that.
• 1:07:29
  Yeah.
• 1:07:30
  Then they take it all, all you want to take it.
• 1:07:32
  You know what I mean?
• 1:07:33
  Yeah.
• 1:07:34
  When you think of your life, no.
• 1:07:38
  Did you visualize this?
• 1:07:41
  Did you visualize this version?
• 1:07:44
  No.
• 1:07:45
  No.
• 1:07:46
  What was it going to look like?
• 1:07:51
  Being in Jamaica.
• 1:07:53
  Okay.
• 1:07:54
  Being in Jamaica.
• 1:07:55
  When I was like, early 20s.
• 1:07:57
  Being in Jamaica.
• 1:08:00
  Running a studio, being a musician, being an artist.
• 1:08:05
  You know what I mean?
• 1:08:07
  All of that.
• 1:08:08
  And yeah, just as I said, leaving Jamaica was never on the cards.
• 1:08:15
  It was never.
• 1:08:17
  You know, probably have kids, you know, family and all of that by now.
• 1:08:21
  But being in Jamaica.
• 1:08:23
  In Jamaica.
• 1:08:24
  You know.
• 1:08:25
  Do you only have one sister?
• 1:08:26
  Four.
• 1:08:27
  Yeah, four sisters.
• 1:08:28
  Two in the UK, one in the US and yeah, my twins.
• 1:08:32
  So everybody left.
• 1:08:35
  One was born in the UK and then the other two left there.
• 1:08:40
  Okay.
• 1:08:41
  So being a twin.
• 1:08:44
  Please tell me that you absolutely love your twin.
• 1:08:47
  Like tell me that she's your favorite person in the world.
• 1:08:50
  No, we're total opposites.
• 1:08:53
  Yeah, but is she your favorite person in the world?
• 1:08:56
  No.
• 1:08:57
  Oh, no.
• 1:08:58
  Listen, listen, listen, listen.
• 1:08:59
  Yeah, my sister, I love her.
• 1:09:01
  We're just not kids at time and we have different views.
• 1:09:06
  Okay.
• 1:09:07
  Online.
• 1:09:08
  Oh, no.
• 1:09:09
  So this is my dream.
• 1:09:10
  Well, when we used to go school.
• 1:09:11
  We used to go medical, right?
• 1:09:13
  Nobody knew we were related.
• 1:09:15
  Oh, really?
• 1:09:16
  You don't look alike?
• 1:09:17
  No.
• 1:09:18
  Boy and girl.
• 1:09:19
  No, no.
• 1:09:20
  We call it...
• 1:09:21
  I know that you're fraternal, clearly, but you can still look alike.
• 1:09:24
  We...
• 1:09:25
  We never used to hang out.
• 1:09:27
  Nothing like that.
• 1:09:28
  The only way people knew is by the surname.
• 1:09:31
  Okay.
• 1:09:32
  That's all people knew.
• 1:09:33
  Right.
• 1:09:34
  You know what I mean?
• 1:09:35
  So yeah, we...
• 1:09:36
  She...
• 1:09:37
  Her code was like...
• 1:09:40
  The more...
• 1:09:41
  You're a side.
• 1:09:42
  Up, tone.
• 1:09:44
  Up, tone.
• 1:09:45
  You know what I mean?
• 1:09:46
  And...
• 1:09:48
  Right.
• 1:09:49
  You understand?
• 1:09:50
  So as I say, polar opposites.
• 1:09:52
  Wow.
• 1:09:53
  Yeah.
• 1:09:54
  But do you have any sort of, like, twin magic in adulthood?
• 1:09:59
  So when I say twin magic, a good example.
• 1:10:02
  Yesterday I took the girls to their first gymnastics class.
• 1:10:05
  Oh, nice.
• 1:10:06
  And now they did their first one and thirds.
• 1:10:08
  Really?
• 1:10:09
  Yeah.
• 1:10:10
  So it was so sweet because one twin had been asking about...
• 1:10:13
  I don't know where she gets this gymnastics thing from,
• 1:10:15
  but she was asking every day.
• 1:10:16
  So I said, let me go find a class.
• 1:10:17
  That's weird.
• 1:10:18
  Now I've got it.
• 1:10:19
  They don't watch TV.
• 1:10:20
  They don't know where she gets it from.
• 1:10:21
  Oh, she don't know where she gets it from.
• 1:10:23
  But traveling, one of the disadvantages is that you can't really do extra collectivities
• 1:10:28
  because you're always moving.
• 1:10:29
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:30
  And stability, yeah.
• 1:10:31
  Yeah.
• 1:10:32
  And so I messaged all of the...
• 1:10:33
  I drove an hour and a half to get to this gymnastics class.
• 1:10:35
  What?
• 1:10:36
  It was the only one that replied to me.
• 1:10:38
  Honestly.
• 1:10:39
  So anyway, the point is that in the car on the way,
• 1:10:42
  like one sister rolls on the other and hurt her finger.
• 1:10:46
  And so the other sister with the hurt finger says,
• 1:10:49
  I'm not doing gymnastics besides...
• 1:10:51
  Right, because that was not nice.
• 1:10:53
  And you didn't say sorry.
• 1:10:55
  Okay.
• 1:10:56
  And I'm just driving.
• 1:10:57
  I don't get involved.
• 1:10:58
  Got to love it, yeah.
• 1:10:59
  At all.
• 1:11:00
  So I'm like, okay, cool.
• 1:11:01
  As soon as we step into this class,
• 1:11:03
  these two children are hand in hand.
• 1:11:06
  As soon as, not even I look at them,
• 1:11:09
  to the point where the teachers are like,
• 1:11:11
  oh my gosh, they're just inseparable.
• 1:11:13
  And I'm thinking, yeah, that's not what they said in the car.
• 1:11:16
  In the car, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:17
  Yeah, I guess it's a good,
• 1:11:18
  it comes down to, you know,
• 1:11:20
  safe space.
• 1:11:21
  Oh, 100%.
• 1:11:22
  New environment, man.
• 1:11:23
  Oh, 100%.
• 1:11:24
  You know what I mean?
• 1:11:25
  Oh, 100%.
• 1:11:26
  But what I have learned through them
• 1:11:27
  is before, if one like daughter
• 1:11:29
  complaining about the next one,
• 1:11:30
  I would try and mediate.
• 1:11:32
  And I have learned very quickly...
• 1:11:34
  To let them start the door.
• 1:11:35
  Don't bother.
• 1:11:36
  You know why?
• 1:11:37
  Because I'll be upset on your behalf.
• 1:11:38
  And you have long gone moved on.
• 1:11:39
  You're like playing back to normal.
• 1:11:41
  And I'm still angry.
• 1:11:42
  Because I forget things like that.
• 1:11:44
  Literally.
• 1:11:45
  But it's just, it's even the way they sleep.
• 1:11:47
  They sleep in sync.
• 1:11:49
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:50
  It's like, it's just magic.
• 1:11:51
  Yeah, me and my sister
• 1:11:53
  were used to sleep in the same bed.
• 1:11:54
  And all of that.
• 1:11:55
  And I know the moment I could sleep by myself.
• 1:11:59
  The thing is, I couldn't go to bed with our daughter.
• 1:12:03
  Really?
• 1:12:04
  Yeah.
• 1:12:05
  And vice versa.
• 1:12:06
  So sweet.
• 1:12:07
  If I was doing something,
• 1:12:09
  she was a movie,
• 1:12:11
  let Marlon come to bed and vice versa.
• 1:12:14
  And then we had to go to bed and them things.
• 1:12:16
  But I know.
• 1:12:17
  Yeah, we're just a different one.
• 1:12:20
  Oh, pops.
• 1:12:21
  We're different.
• 1:12:23
  I hope my children don't say that.
• 1:12:24
  No, the thing is...
• 1:12:25
  Because they're also very different.
• 1:12:27
  Their characters are completely, completely different.
• 1:12:29
  With them being girls,
• 1:12:31
  they're probably, it probably will stay the same.
• 1:12:34
  I just thought everybody,
• 1:12:35
  I've spoken to other fraternal twins,
• 1:12:36
  boy girl twins.
• 1:12:37
  Yeah.
• 1:12:38
  And they said that they're deeply connected.
• 1:12:40
  Really?
• 1:12:41
  Yeah.
• 1:12:42
  And so normally,
• 1:12:43
  what?
• 1:12:44
  Is it possible that they won't be?
• 1:12:46
  I mean, not even by food who connected girls,
• 1:12:48
  fleeing.
• 1:12:49
  Nothing.
• 1:12:50
  Cause I'm thinking food.
• 1:12:51
  I actually cook food.
• 1:12:53
  I don't know.
• 1:12:55
  Wow.
• 1:12:56
  We'll have a conversation in about 15 years' time.
• 1:12:58
  And I'll tell you,
• 1:12:59
  if I'm traumatized or if I'm happy.
• 1:13:01
  Yeah.
• 1:13:02
  If my children grow up
• 1:13:04
  and they're not like still...
• 1:13:06
  Tight.
• 1:13:07
  I'd be so like,
• 1:13:09
  oh my gosh, what have I done?
• 1:13:11
  Yeah.
• 1:13:12
  I mean, it comes on to them though.
• 1:13:14
  Of course, I have to appreciate that.
• 1:13:16
  I can cry to you privately.
• 1:13:18
  Yeah, exactly.
• 1:13:19
  I'm pretend to them that it's okay.
• 1:13:21
  I guess my mom did that.
• 1:13:23
  Cry, privately.
• 1:13:25
  I know.
• 1:13:26
  Cause you're always said,
• 1:13:28
  you guys must live good.
• 1:13:29
  You must...
• 1:13:30
  You know what I mean?
• 1:13:32
  Love is system.
• 1:13:33
  Love, love, love.
• 1:13:34
  Not saying we don't love each other,
• 1:13:35
  but we just...
• 1:13:36
  We just love differently.
• 1:13:38
  We just love...
• 1:13:40
  Yeah, exactly.
• 1:13:41
  She loves here and I love here.
• 1:13:43
  You know what I mean?
• 1:13:44
  Did that make it easier for you to leave Jamaica?
• 1:13:49
  Yeah.
• 1:13:50
  Yeah.
• 1:13:51
  You know what I mean?
• 1:13:53
  Yeah, because once I left out,
• 1:13:56
  it's like, alright, cool.
• 1:13:58
  You know what I mean?
• 1:13:59
  It's not like, oh man, I miss my sister.
• 1:14:01
  I miss my...
• 1:14:02
  You know what I mean?
• 1:14:03
  And the thing is, when I came here,
• 1:14:05
  I came here without...
• 1:14:06
  Without permission.
• 1:14:07
  Without permission.
• 1:14:08
  Right.
• 1:14:09
  You understand?
• 1:14:10
  So, as uncomfortable as it became sometimes,
• 1:14:13
  yeah, we have to remember.
• 1:14:14
  As I said, when it got you okay,
• 1:14:16
  and then you have to remember,
• 1:14:17
  why did you get here?
• 1:14:18
  Yeah.
• 1:14:19
  To do something?
• 1:14:20
  I'm a see-through.
• 1:14:21
  You know what I mean?
• 1:14:22
  I have a concern to remind myself.
• 1:14:24
  I know, for me,
• 1:14:26
  with my daughter being here, you know,
• 1:14:28
  it's even harder to leave.
• 1:14:29
  Of course.
• 1:14:30
  So, even if somebody wants to leave
• 1:14:32
  in that next year or something.
• 1:14:33
  It's not happening.
• 1:14:34
  Exactly.
• 1:14:35
  Yeah.
• 1:14:36
  You know what I mean?
• 1:14:37
  So, I've moved...
• 1:14:38
  I want to be closer.
• 1:14:39
  So, you know,
• 1:14:41
  move to Europe or whatever.
• 1:14:42
  Right.
• 1:14:43
  Which is something that's not in the cards.
• 1:14:44
  Okay.
• 1:14:45
  Because our mom don't want that.
• 1:14:46
  Okay.
• 1:14:47
  She's on the yoga Bali retreat.
• 1:14:49
  Yeah.
• 1:14:50
  She's not interested in going back.
• 1:14:51
  Really?
• 1:14:52
  Yeah.
• 1:14:53
  To live.
• 1:14:54
  Yeah.
• 1:14:55
  Is it just like,
• 1:14:56
  whether culture...
• 1:14:57
  Just...
• 1:14:58
  Culture, politics.
• 1:14:59
  Okay.
• 1:15:00
  I mean, all kinds of different things.
• 1:15:02
  Yeah.
• 1:15:03
  What is an experience that happened to you
• 1:15:06
  since you've been here
• 1:15:07
  that you would never seen coming?
• 1:15:10
  Getting arrested.
• 1:15:12
  Getting arrested.
• 1:15:14
  What were you doing to jail?
• 1:15:16
  Did you have to actually go to jail?
• 1:15:18
  Yeah.
• 1:15:19
  What happened?
• 1:15:20
  All right.
• 1:15:21
  So, when I just got here, right?
• 1:15:24
  We as Jamaicans, we get a three-month visa.
• 1:15:28
  Okay.
• 1:15:29
  So, no.
• 1:15:30
  Three months.
• 1:15:31
  Basically, a visa freak.
• 1:15:32
  We don't need visas to come here.
• 1:15:33
  Oh, I didn't know that.
• 1:15:34
  Yeah.
• 1:15:35
  So, you get three months, right?
• 1:15:36
  And so, what we...
• 1:15:38
  What I normally did was I would go across
• 1:15:40
  to another African country.
• 1:15:42
  Okay.
• 1:15:43
  To, you know, get a stamp back, come back.
• 1:15:45
  Yes.
• 1:15:46
  And when I...
• 1:15:47
  This was in Johannesburg.
• 1:15:48
  Okay.
• 1:15:49
  So, when I came to Cape Town,
• 1:15:50
  I did it once, right?
• 1:15:51
  And I said to my agent in Johannesburg,
• 1:15:53
  I'm saying, you know, it's too far to travel all the time
• 1:15:56
  to do that.
• 1:15:57
  So, can you sort out something for me?
• 1:15:59
  A word permit, blah, blah, this on that.
• 1:16:01
  And she said, yes.
• 1:16:02
  She knows somebody, who knows somebody.
• 1:16:03
  But...
• 1:16:04
  Big red flag.
• 1:16:06
  When somebody said, I know somebody, who knows somebody.
• 1:16:09
  Oh, really?
• 1:16:10
  Yeah.
• 1:16:11
  Right?
• 1:16:12
  So, anyway, a long story short,
• 1:16:14
  got by the word permit, this on that,
• 1:16:17
  and a book that commercial.
• 1:16:19
  Okay.
• 1:16:20
  TV commercial for Marriott.
• 1:16:22
  Marriott hotel.
• 1:16:23
  And it was in Thailand.
• 1:16:24
  There was you didn't in Thailand.
• 1:16:26
  So, when I went, you know, to the immigration officer,
• 1:16:29
  you know, you're from Jamaica, you know,
• 1:16:31
  where you dress, you know, typically smoke weed,
• 1:16:33
  you're on fast.
• 1:16:34
  You know what I mean?
• 1:16:36
  And then she went to my passport.
• 1:16:37
  And she said, the work permit.
• 1:16:38
  And she said, this is fake.
• 1:16:41
  And she said, you're going to get arrested.
• 1:16:45
  And I said, come on, man.
• 1:16:47
  Oh, I'm too old for it.
• 1:16:48
  God, for me, I don't know.
• 1:16:49
  Right?
• 1:16:50
  Right?
• 1:16:51
  And she said, this is fake.
• 1:16:52
  And then, you know, I said, call my agent.
• 1:16:55
  She called her.
• 1:16:56
  This and that.
• 1:16:57
  I spoke to her.
• 1:16:58
  And she said, all right.
• 1:16:59
  Cool.
• 1:17:00
  I'm coming.
• 1:17:01
  Right?
• 1:17:02
  And she came to the airport.
• 1:17:03
  But she never saw me.
• 1:17:04
  Because, of course, by then, that took me in for processing
• 1:17:07
  and brought me into a different thing.
• 1:17:09
  And, you know, funnily,
• 1:17:13
  when I was in processing,
• 1:17:16
  that showed me how it's fake.
• 1:17:18
  Okay.
• 1:17:19
  So, that they had this thing.
• 1:17:21
  No, the color was totally different.
• 1:17:23
  I mean, it was a different shade of green, right?
• 1:17:25
  Oh, Jesus.
• 1:17:26
  Which I wouldn't know.
• 1:17:27
  Sure.
• 1:17:28
  Because I would have never seen the original before.
• 1:17:29
  So, it wasn't even a good looking fake.
• 1:17:32
  As a piece of paper,
• 1:17:34
  where they mostly print.
• 1:17:36
  Right.
• 1:17:37
  And then, because the thing is normally,
• 1:17:38
  they look through this thing.
• 1:17:40
  Like, if you look in the passport or anything,
• 1:17:43
  or if you look at your visa.
• 1:17:45
  Right.
• 1:17:46
  In a visa you have,
• 1:17:47
  you'll see in green,
• 1:17:48
  in a, you'll see some symbol out there.
• 1:17:51
  Sure.
• 1:17:52
  Right?
• 1:17:53
  And they showed me, clear as they.
• 1:17:54
  Oh, Jesus.
• 1:17:55
  No.
• 1:17:56
  You understand?
• 1:17:57
  And I'll never forget,
• 1:17:59
  walking across the airport in Johannesburg,
• 1:18:02
  busy airport.
• 1:18:04
  It was me and this Somali guy.
• 1:18:07
  And we had handcuffs.
• 1:18:10
  And I was talking to the police officer.
• 1:18:13
  Smiling.
• 1:18:14
  And people probably were confused.
• 1:18:16
  Why?
• 1:18:17
  You know what I mean?
• 1:18:18
  Because we were talking about cricket.
• 1:18:20
  Right.
• 1:18:21
  Because in my head,
• 1:18:23
  yeah, I'm a bit let old tonight.
• 1:18:25
  Okay.
• 1:18:26
  Yana-san.
• 1:18:27
  Because it's a, you know.
• 1:18:29
  A misunderstanding.
• 1:18:30
  A misunderstanding.
• 1:18:31
  Very. Right.
• 1:18:32
  You know what I mean?
• 1:18:33
  And when to the prison,
• 1:18:37
  when the jail,
• 1:18:39
  and the open the cell,
• 1:18:41
  I said,
• 1:18:43
  go,
• 1:18:44
  and like 17 people
• 1:18:47
  on the floor,
• 1:18:48
  lay down.
• 1:18:50
  And I'm like,
• 1:18:51
  and then it started.
• 1:18:53
  I said,
• 1:18:54
  oh, I'm serious.
• 1:18:56
  So I'm serious, you know what I mean?
• 1:18:59
  And I remember asking the police.
• 1:19:04
  And he said to me,
• 1:19:07
  I know you're innocent.
• 1:19:10
  But it's in your passport.
• 1:19:12
  Oh, no.
• 1:19:13
  So therefore your guilty.
• 1:19:16
  I've fraud.
• 1:19:17
  Right. Right.
• 1:19:18
  And so I went in,
• 1:19:20
  I remember the morning,
• 1:19:21
  the next morning,
• 1:19:23
  I went outside,
• 1:19:26
  I found a little corner,
• 1:19:28
  and I cried,
• 1:19:30
  for like a few minutes.
• 1:19:33
  Right.
• 1:19:35
  And I said,
• 1:19:37
  all right, cool.
• 1:19:38
  Accept.
• 1:19:40
  The situation.
• 1:19:41
  Invite.
• 1:19:42
  You can't make anybody see a cry.
• 1:19:45
  And then I get out.
• 1:19:47
  And the thing is,
• 1:19:48
  I was worried about my mom.
• 1:19:50
  But my mom would,
• 1:19:51
  without thought.
• 1:19:52
  So I remember,
• 1:19:53
  when my agent she came,
• 1:19:56
  I should brought,
• 1:19:58
  a lawyer.
• 1:19:59
  Okay. Right.
• 1:20:00
  And she called my mom,
• 1:20:02
  and I spoke to my mom.
• 1:20:03
  And she already called my mom.
• 1:20:06
  And your mom's in Jamaica.
• 1:20:08
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:09
  Get enough call that her son
• 1:20:10
  has been arrested in South Africa.
• 1:20:11
  Yeah.
• 1:20:12
  So, yo,
• 1:20:13
  it was a calmness.
• 1:20:15
  I've ever heard my mom.
• 1:20:16
  Really?
• 1:20:17
  The calmness.
• 1:20:19
  And just that,
• 1:20:22
  made me just,
• 1:20:23
  all right, cool.
• 1:20:24
  Yeah.
• 1:20:25
  You know what I mean?
• 1:20:27
  All good.
• 1:20:28
  Do we know if she was really feeling calm,
• 1:20:30
  or she was just trying to give you the calmness?
• 1:20:31
  I don't know.
• 1:20:32
  Maybe she was,
• 1:20:33
  or maybe because she knew before.
• 1:20:35
  Okay.
• 1:20:36
  She kind of probably thought of the multitasking
• 1:20:38
  and processed it.
• 1:20:39
  Yeah.
• 1:20:40
  You know what I mean?
• 1:20:41
  And, um,
• 1:20:42
  so yeah,
• 1:20:43
  went in,
• 1:20:44
  um,
• 1:20:46
  yo,
• 1:20:47
  the conditions,
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  the conditions.
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  Are they not the one?
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  No.
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  Rats.
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  Yeah.
• 1:20:56
  You just heard how I feel.
• 1:20:57
  Yeah.
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  The map,
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  this big part,
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  yo,
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  I was there for a week.
• 1:21:03
  You were in jail for a week?
• 1:21:05
  I was there for a week until I got bail.
• 1:21:07
  So, when the lawyer came, right?
• 1:21:10
  My agent,
• 1:21:12
  the one that she brought.
• 1:21:13
  Yes.
• 1:21:14
  He was telling me to
• 1:21:16
  plead guilty.
• 1:21:18
  I'm saying,
• 1:21:19
  why?
• 1:21:20
  I did nothing wrong.
• 1:21:21
  Right.
• 1:21:22
  You understand?
• 1:21:23
  Okay.
• 1:21:24
  So, he came
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  and
• 1:21:26
  I told him the story
• 1:21:27
  and he said,
• 1:21:28
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• 1:21:29
  He said,
• 1:21:30
  Monday I'll have you
• 1:21:31
  don't bill.
• 1:21:32
  And that's a really.
• 1:21:33
  So, I give him the connection
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• 1:21:35
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• 1:22:17
  here in
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  God Bale,
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  the Monday
• 1:22:21
  I have one on two phones and in a person and you love the water them that will you know you're on the
• 1:22:28
  Mode and then go buy some kfc and this and that really yeah yeah I never bring back but the food there I
• 1:22:35
  Never ate why it just it was horrible it was bread tea like I
• 1:22:43
  Know how to feel about ball ball if it's not chicken when I eat
• 1:22:48
  You got me asked and I remember my girlfriend at the time she flew up from Cape Town
• 1:22:54
  I should buy a
• 1:22:55
  Pool burger. Okay, two burgers in our chocolate a Bible
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  and
• 1:23:03
  She gave the water to give me okay, so did they give it to you?
• 1:23:09
  One burger may get enough. Well, I never knew is when I came out and spoke to her
• 1:23:14
  I'm saying yeah, he sent his one burger. Yeah, she said no, but I gave him
• 1:23:20
  One we get yeah, that's that but we're not we're not got bail, right and I was supposed to
• 1:23:27
  Leave with her and we'll go to the airport and come to Cape Town. Okay
• 1:23:30
  Them carloads at least right something else it
• 1:23:35
  Huh anyway?
• 1:23:37
  Malign up
• 1:23:39
  I'm going I want one big
• 1:23:41
  Keeh's fun, right?
• 1:23:43
  I will drive for both I owe her
• 1:23:47
  I want to reach miss a guillet pool. I miss some man in an orange suit and I'm cheering
• 1:23:55
  I'm gonna say
• 1:23:56
  What is
• 1:23:57
  Maximum security prison
• 1:24:00
  You're not going there. That's right. I brought me they've brought you to a maximum security. So I'm so I'm gonna go
• 1:24:07
  I'm gonna set to the driver
• 1:24:09
  Say yo, I'm not supposed to be here. I got bail this morning, right?
• 1:24:15
  And then look for me and him said
• 1:24:18
  All right, go back now van
• 1:24:21
  Go back now the van and then he the brought back another prisoner who was sick. Okay, so he needed medical attention
• 1:24:29
  Right, so me and him rule. Roll. Not the back of the the kids. Yep, and then when we go and then
• 1:24:35
  The driver said
• 1:24:37
  Give me a thing
• 1:24:40
  It's a marriage, but this up here
• 1:24:45
  Take on a self and then
• 1:24:48
  Yeah, me would move over and at the time when they send that and then
• 1:24:52
  We came to keep them
• 1:24:53
  Yeah, and then I had to be back on fort for court and all of that because
• 1:24:58
  I think it's what they what they charged me for was fraud
• 1:25:01
  But you know, I mean so basically
• 1:25:06
  They could have deported me if they want, but they chose fraud. Okay, so therefore when the the fraud kids have thrown out
• 1:25:14
  They still wanted to because the hell on to my passport
• 1:25:18
  So how are you going back on forth without John is very gone kept on. Oh, you could yeah, you don't need it. Yeah, okay
• 1:25:26
  So the hell on to my passport and say sending letters to Malaya
• 1:25:30
  that
• 1:25:32
  He can get this part passport when he comes to John has worked and leave without without ticket onwards. Okay, and I'm saying no
• 1:25:38
  And and thank goodness. I was in the position
• 1:25:41
  To be able to afford to fight them right because I'm saying
• 1:25:45
  You're missing with a wrong one. Yeah, that's done. Yeah, and so Malaya sent them a letter saying that
• 1:25:52
  You need to give him what his passport is that is a property of him and his country and blah blah what you're doing is legal blah blah
• 1:25:58
  Right and we got the high court involved
• 1:26:02
  And um when they had the date for them to come to the high court
• 1:26:07
  God, I would have to leave John's birth to keep told the high court cuts is here. Okay
• 1:26:12
  The day before the summer message. Oh, we have decided to give up Malaya this passport
• 1:26:19
  And I'm like all of that because they wanted to
• 1:26:23
  So
• 1:26:25
  Then I'll for be eyes real here. Okay. Yeah
• 1:26:29
  So yeah, that and I
• 1:26:32
  Not in my last dream. I will say I would
• 1:26:35
  Ever I'd been to jail our earth in vision. I'm sure you're there for a week. Yeah
• 1:26:43
  Wow, so when you're in jail
• 1:26:46
  That and correct me if I'm wrong, right? But jail is before some people go to prison. Yeah
• 1:26:52
  So jail so you can be mixed with all kinds of near near where the court is okay
• 1:26:56
  Yannasan and all of that
• 1:26:58
  And I remember meeting this guy in there and I was talking to him on
• 1:27:02
  Um
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  It's a white guy and he's you know talking about you know
• 1:27:07
  He just ran them things to talk about you know, he must not do drugs and jokes this and jokes that time blah blah this and that so I said to him
• 1:27:14
  So I ain't here for
• 1:27:17
  I'm saying come on man, you know, so people are in there for all kinds of
• 1:27:25
  And are you able to sleep from just from the perspective of
• 1:27:29
  Again, maybe I've been influenced by like movies and stuff
• 1:27:33
  But the idea of sleeping in a common area with strangers that I don't know feels very unsettling
• 1:27:40
  Yo
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  Yeah, if I make it work, you know, you can't even think about that
• 1:27:47
  You can't even think about that and so I'm not comfortable
• 1:27:51
  I
• 1:27:53
  Accepted it quickly and um fitting
• 1:27:58
  You know, I mean and did it feel like a week or did it feel like long ago?
• 1:28:02
  Did it felt long? Did it felt longer because I think is we had no sense of time
• 1:28:08
  As in there's no clock no watch no nothing. So um the day is took forever
• 1:28:15
  Forever and we had few little magazines. They really could read and all of that and yeah, how big is the space when it's like 17 people
• 1:28:24
  it it was
• 1:28:27
  Almost as big as this room, but but a little longer. Okay, you know, I mean what probably
• 1:28:31
  To wear that light is right there. So comfortable enough that you can
• 1:28:35
  Yeah, we are really could have you know people on each side right you know lean down
• 1:28:40
  I want the energy as in like our people
• 1:28:44
  now my way
• 1:28:48
  Friends, I mean we became friends, you know, I mean and this and that we talk to each other here each other story blah blah
• 1:28:54
  This and that and um yeah because even when I remember when I left and got bail and I came back to keep tone
• 1:29:01
  When I'm a boy Z was from Ghana who wasn't there and I mean you said send me some ear time as in credit right to the phone because there was one phone that we had
• 1:29:12
  That was hidden. I mean and when it needed to charge to be charged then they what I would charge it and you know
• 1:29:18
  So I'm saying you'll send some ear time to that and yeah
• 1:29:22
  Wow, I don't think I could do jail prison anything
• 1:29:26
  Yeah, it roughman and and and part of the reason I never ate is because there was this one toilet
• 1:29:35
  In a corner outside where that this um like curtain that the tire crossed where he could just you know mean and um
• 1:29:44
  And it was winter and it was a metal toilet
• 1:29:49
  And when I came in I'm saying I'm not using that
• 1:29:52
  I'm not using that so I purpose in about it
• 1:29:56
  So I didn't have to go to the bathroom. Yes, I
• 1:29:58
  P in it and I was not going to sit on that you know you can't squat. Eh? You can't squat. No, my man. And the thing is there's no privacy
• 1:30:07
  No privacy, you know, yeah, do you think I am on the whole side of the attack?
• 1:30:12
  And then no, yeah, right
• 1:30:15
  Oh my goodness, you know, I mean so I mean what lesson learned um
• 1:30:20
  And I think it had to happen for me to end up getting residency here. Okay, because through all of that
• 1:30:30
  The bright light was me you know, so I know my situation but I'm becoming a permanent resident, yeah
• 1:30:39
  Yeah, I mean I'm glad that you saw the silver lining. Yeah, I mean you have to my I'm still stuck on the rats
• 1:30:46
  And
• 1:30:48
  And and you know
• 1:30:50
  When the mother-in-law pushed the um the big
• 1:30:53
  You know them big when them boy soup in a jomehaka and the crop soup on this one I like the mother-in-law push with tea
• 1:31:01
  And then in that little passage you said the little rat the marano pandung
• 1:31:06
  And
• 1:31:08
  Mr. Mina
• 1:31:10
  All right
• 1:31:12
  Is there anything about your move your life that we haven't touched on that you'd like to speak about?
• 1:31:22
  Yeah, that necessarily not really I mean
• 1:31:26
  What I have to think think about it. Oh, yeah
• 1:31:30
  Hugo Bass
• 1:31:31
  Okay, yeah, I did that I did a campaign for them
• 1:31:35
  Which was shot on the Hugo Bass yacht. Oh, yeah, yeah, that was tell me you were a bit excited
• 1:31:41
  Tell me that you are a bit excited about this one. I mean, I can't swim
• 1:31:47
  I can't swim. I hate big body a water
• 1:31:52
  Right, so I mean
• 1:31:55
  Yeah, you can't say excited about being and and that and and you know when I came off I was wobbling and I was like
• 1:32:02
  Yeah, I mean and then that asked me okay
• 1:32:07
  Can you swim because they wanted somebody to jump off into the ocean? It's in me. I'm sorry. I'll press it
• 1:32:13
  Me neither that nope. Oh my god. I mean, but it was cool. It was a dope shoot
• 1:32:20
  dope exposure as well, you know
• 1:32:23
  So that was cool. What do you think in this like day and age like you say about everyone wants to a model
• 1:32:30
  What do you think that people on the estimate? So for example?
• 1:32:36
  I knew
• 1:32:37
  Quite early on that I wasn't caught out for the modeling industry in the sense that I love food too much
• 1:32:44
  Right, I feel like also I feel like I'm thinner now than I was when I was even mr. Miko. Oh really? Yeah at the time. I just love food
• 1:32:51
  um, I also
• 1:32:53
  When you're a mr. Maker, you don't really have to go to castings in the traditional way, right? Because you have a title request
• 1:32:59
  So it's a bit easier, but the minute that
• 1:33:03
  Like prior to that that I'd have to sit in a room with people and I wait
• 1:33:10
  I'm not saying that I have an ego. It's not about an ego. I just don't like sitting and waiting. Yeah, yeah, yeah
• 1:33:16
  That's a thing. There was a lot of waiting a lot of waiting even on set. Oh, it's just so much waiting
• 1:33:22
  There is a lot of waiting
• 1:33:24
  And then also the people that we're waiting with I'm not trying to disrespect models
• 1:33:29
  So please don't come for me. Yeah, but respectfully
• 1:33:33
  There's just not that much to talk about right like especially. I don't know if it's an age thing
• 1:33:38
  I'm just trying to cover this by saying I get that I get that but it's not the most like
• 1:33:43
  Interesting conversations, but but I guess it comes on to Azase
• 1:33:49
  Be in a model are doing model, which is why that really resonated with me because I completely on those guys when we meet at a casting
• 1:33:58
  We don't talk about anything about modeling. Yeah, or the casting. That's gonna have a girl vibe
• 1:34:04
  Every every
• 1:34:05
  Football we talk about every little stupid thing. Yeah, you know me. So I guess with girls. It's different. I think so
• 1:34:11
  And so I knew that it wasn't for me and from like again as you say like do modeling or or be a model
• 1:34:17
  Even though people are like oh, so it's you know, I'm like no in my mind unless you are Naomi Campbell status
• 1:34:23
  You're not a model. Yeah, right? Like it's either the best or nothing at all
• 1:34:28
  And especially nowadays when like everyone's like on their Instagram and their model
• 1:34:32
  I'm like no like no do not disrespect the craft in this way by just thinking
• 1:34:38
  Everybody that is a model. You know me Instagram model and all that shit. It's terrible
• 1:34:43
  But what do you think it takes?
• 1:34:46
  No for someone who is genuinely interested not someone who's just like oh, I want to take pictures
• 1:34:51
  But someone who is genuinely passionate about the industry
• 1:34:55
  What would be your advice to that young person? That's like this is what I would do if I was in your position have thick skin
• 1:35:04
  Yeah, very important because as we said before you're the least important. Yeah
• 1:35:10
  In the industry when it comes to shoot our production right
• 1:35:14
  um
• 1:35:15
  And and don't take it personal
• 1:35:18
  don't take it personal because
• 1:35:21
  You you might go to a casting and I see somebody and then you see that advert somewhere and then say oh
• 1:35:27
  That's what I choose, but I look better than that person or I this are I went into the casting and I nailed the audition
• 1:35:34
  And whatever but it comes down to the look that they want
• 1:35:37
  The requested you as maybe at a similar look, but when they found somebody that said all right that person don't necessarily have to
• 1:35:45
  Is the the um audition, right? They can just have the look
• 1:35:49
  Unsit they can get that person to do what they want them to do, you know, I mean and that
• 1:35:55
  It took me a while to learn over time
• 1:35:58
  I'm not told grudges are are are bid
• 1:36:01
  Don't hearted you know, I mean because or whatever. I feel like that's a great lesson for life
• 1:36:06
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah seeing seeing opportunities and seeing other people get them and just say it's not for you
• 1:36:14
  And and for me how how I do it know is like if I go to a casting right and then I say a commercial like whether I'm watching
• 1:36:21
  American TV are
• 1:36:23
  CNN or whatever and I see
• 1:36:25
  commercial come on
• 1:36:27
  Seem casting because you know exactly what the cast advice up then you get to say oh, that's what it look like right
• 1:36:32
  And then you see a boy in it. I say
• 1:36:36
  Is that come for me if I don't get it you want someone I want one of my boys. Yes
• 1:36:41
  You know I'm saying yes. Yeah, so that that's all that's all I see man, you know
• 1:36:46
  What do you think is the reason why you've been able to have success in this industry?
• 1:36:52
  I guess by not taking it that's serious
• 1:36:55
  Yeah, why not because
• 1:36:57
  I
• 1:36:59
  When I just started right going to cast in
• 1:37:03
  You know, you're going to cast in you do what you're told right and then
• 1:37:08
  When you come out you start thinking man. I should have done that. I should have done that and and it will
• 1:37:13
  Drive it crazy for the rest of the you know, I mean I could have done that. I should have you there
• 1:37:20
  I
• 1:37:21
  Notice that
• 1:37:23
  What's on camera? You can't change it right so it makes no sense
• 1:37:30
  Killing yourself about what you could have or should have done right so for me once I go in the cast and then I do it once I
• 1:37:36
  Commote that door
• 1:37:38
  I've forgotten okay, you just leave it let it go. Yeah, I did what I did can't change it keep it moving
• 1:37:45
  What's the worst criticism you've received I remember once I went to an agency in New York and
• 1:37:52
  At the time I didn't understand what they were saying and now I understand it and
• 1:37:56
  The lady said to me at the time. She says
• 1:37:59
  You're just pretty and we don't do commercial
• 1:38:01
  I'm not just that
• 1:38:03
  I think it was also the use of the word just
• 1:38:06
  Oh, okay, that's a that's a bit mean and also at the time
• 1:38:10
  I thought to be a model you're supposed to be pretty
• 1:38:13
  Yeah, so I was confused as to why that was a reason not to yeah, I've learned. Yeah, I mean
• 1:38:20
  It just depends on how you need you look you know mean and and as it's the beauties in the eye are the big older, right? Yes. I'm sorry
• 1:38:29
  So
• 1:38:30
  We might look at somebody and so that person is beautiful or look at this person. So that person is ugly
• 1:38:36
  But to somebody else that person is is gorgeous. Yeah, you know, I mean so it's in the eye of the viola and
• 1:38:43
  Where are we to judge that yeah, what's beauty?
• 1:38:47
  You know, I mean if your daughter was older and she said to you that she wanted to be a model of it
• 1:38:54
  God
• 1:38:56
  Really why I mean we have we have done a campaign together
• 1:39:03
  Yeah, um for a clothing brand. That's so cute. Yeah, we have done it, but
• 1:39:09
  If it's up to her, I want her to decide sure. I'm not gonna push it, but you know
• 1:39:15
  You kind of I would kind of know. I won't tell her directly don't do it. I was kind of you know
• 1:39:20
  You know, yeah, exactly. You know because thing is
• 1:39:26
  I've been around I've seen you know
• 1:39:31
  I've objectified
• 1:39:33
  You know
• 1:39:35
  Women in swimsuits are bikinis are getting dressed and I don't want men to do that to my dad. It's so funny
• 1:39:42
  I was having this conversation with somebody about two weeks ago. Uh-huh, and I was saying
• 1:39:47
  So we were having a conversation and he is a very well-known person
• 1:39:51
  And he was just like any partner of his can be doing like lingerie shoots and stuff like that because that's a reflection on him
• 1:39:57
  Right, you're right, but it's a professional setting right like when you go to do a lingerie shoot
• 1:40:03
  It's not you walk in half naked just out in the roadside and I said you know when you do a fashion show
• 1:40:09
  You can't be like oh excuse me please. I need it some space to change because you need to put the next look on
• 1:40:14
  Yeah, immediately like right and I was like, you know, and everyone's in the zone, you know
• 1:40:19
  Everyone's professional and in the zone and he said to me let me tell you a story
• 1:40:22
  I thought go ahead and he goes
• 1:40:24
  He was walking for something. He's not a model, but because of his status
• 1:40:28
  Okay, he had asked him to be a face. Yeah, and him say he might not next bridging
• 1:40:34
  Where they're in the show and he said I just want to let you know that the two of us were standing there
• 1:40:39
  And we had time to look yeah, yeah, we had time to look and I was dying of laughter. I mean the first time I did
• 1:40:48
  A fashion show, right?
• 1:40:50
  And you know the mother's the females. Yes, you know, therefore coming in because sometimes some up two outfits in the same show right
• 1:40:56
  So they're coming on the changing and the jumping and this and that
• 1:41:00
  And I'm in the car. We didn't we didn't for our um sure, right? Right and some of my boys get up and say oh bro
• 1:41:07
  We go outside and give them space. I'm not leaving
• 1:41:12
  So I'm not leaving. I'm right here
• 1:41:15
  The understand and knowing how I am sure and you probably have all of people like me who think like me right
• 1:41:23
  I don't want my daughter to cause you were that are are yeah, we looked at like that. No, that is so funny
• 1:41:29
  That means I'm not going away
• 1:41:36
  But it's funny also because a lot of people ask me if I would have my girls be in a pageant, right?
• 1:41:44
  And before children, I don't think I was ever your typical pageant girl
• 1:41:48
  But I was never really into makeup. It wasn't the vibe. So before children. I was like no, it doesn't mean anything to me
• 1:41:55
  post children and I see my girls and I'm like oh my god wouldn't it be cute?
• 1:41:59
  Like wouldn't it be so cute if when there are all that that something that they wanted to do and you would use your
• 1:42:05
  Experiences yeah to do the course that me and it's funny because they they've modeled themselves not not with me at all
• 1:42:11
  Because I'm not in that game, but
• 1:42:14
  The first time I saw their campaign. I didn't know
• 1:42:18
  So you take them to shoot all the time, but sometimes it's catalogs for babies, right?
• 1:42:22
  Like you don't know that it's gonna be somewhere and so it was near my second restaurant
• 1:42:27
  And I had parked gone out to get something and I looked in the window of a store
• 1:42:32
  And she was there. They were both there. I'm not joking. I turned into a flipping idiot
• 1:42:36
  And I had them with me by the way. I'm running across the road
• 1:42:40
  So one's on the a-board one's in the window of the store. Yeah, and I'm like oh my
• 1:42:45
  That's that's her like
• 1:42:47
  I go into the store and I'm like speaking to people that work there
• 1:42:51
  I'm like these are the babies that are in your window and I think at first I'm like are you meant to be okay?
• 1:42:58
  right
• 1:42:59
  And then like I think they kind of settled it calm down
• 1:43:03
  And I was just like I was supposed to go to work after this note as in at the restaurant
• 1:43:06
  Yeah, best believe I went to a little brunch spot waves. I had a little mimosa
• 1:43:10
  I was like I am going to enjoy this moment that my babies and then I went to the website
• 1:43:16
  They're on the website too. I was screenshotting. I was doing it. Oh my gosh. It was so exciting
• 1:43:21
  And what was really sweet the manager kept the the boards because they're big right for the for the store
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  I gave it to you. Yeah, oh really when he came and I didn't think he was going to I left my number
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  But I didn't think that he was really going to and so when they changed out the store display
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  They gave me them. Oh my gosh. I get to keep these
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  But the point is is that I got them into modeling and and many people criticize it right
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  In the same way that people criticize that in some of my videos online my children appear in them. Yeah
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  And I accept the criticism. I mean, it's fine. I don't have an issue
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  But I think for me their modeling was more about just having options right
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  It was should you want to do this later on when you're older and cognizant of what that means
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  Then you've already been in it right in a similar way that I think you know
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  I have first went on a plane when I was six weeks old
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  I don't remember
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  Being six weeks on a plane
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  But always knowing that I was able to and that that happened
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  It made me feel like travel was accessible. Yeah, in the way that I kind of feel like they'll never remember that shoot
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  Right that was definitely a moment. I completely accept that but knowing that you did it
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  Sometimes gives you like the encouragement that should you want to
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  Yeah, the reminder yeah
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  Images 100% and I do think that you know, it's funny because
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  On the same like line I completely see the dangers of
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  constantly having like an image right like constantly thinking of yourself in that way. Yeah
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  my dad was very adamant about
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  Like character and education
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  It wasn't a boat looks which is probably why I was not a great mr. Makeup because yeah
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  I've grown up just knowing that it's who you are
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  And I think that
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  For my girls, I definitely want them to have all of that
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  But I wouldn't mind at whom mr. Make action. You know what I mean at the side
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  But also, you know by the time our children get old who knows who knows what the world's gonna look like
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  Like AI is taking everyone's job
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  There you go. It probably won't even need like humans to do it anymore
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  You know, I mean it's crazy madness
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  Anyway
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  I think we've covered it all. I think I've asked you everything that I wanted to ask you
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  My last question is
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  No, it's an easy one. All right, got you if your life was a postcard. What would the picture look like?
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  Galice Jesus peace
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  Why
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  Not that and you'll wonder why the people are more afraid of Jamaican men. No, that's what that
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  We are victims
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  Of what of being called
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  Players and all of that, so you just rather embody it but not been named as such
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  No more for represent foot foot foot foot foot foot foot foot foot foot what they
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  So we are so you're just living up to their quick decision to the lies
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  I'm just living up to the lies. Yeah, right you're a joke on. Thank you very much
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  You