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118: 90 Day Fiance - In Sickness Or Health (S10E12) · Reality TV Cringe

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Hello, and welcome to Reality TV Cringe. I am one of your hosts,
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Delia, and I'm here with my real Tit homegirl and my daughter in
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law Beadrice. Hi, everybody, and we are here to talk with you
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about ninety day Fiance, which returned from a little itty bitty two or three
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week hiatus. Yeah, how dare they? Like? Was it three weeks?
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I felt like forever? It was really long. It was like after
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Christmas, Like, what's going on with these fun people? I missed them?
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you all right, ninety day fiance whatever you're some of your overall thoughts or
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it was a little boring. It was so boring. These episodes are so
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fucking long. Yeah, and I feel like we never leave the scenes.
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Like it's like we start in a scene four episodes ago and we're still there.
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Yeah. I thought there were a couple of good little tidbits, for
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example, Rob the knob and the mom. I thought that was an interesting
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thing that happened. Oh my god. But yeah, it does meander,
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and it takes a little while to get to the point. Yes, but
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I mean I'm still gonna watch it. I don't care. Yes, these
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people are unhinged, just like us. Well, let's start with Rob and
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Sophie, because we opened with them this episode. They're driving home from the
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sex shop. If you can remember, they got in a huge blow up
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fight at the sex shop because some girl came on to them per TLC's request,
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production plant girl. Yeah, and Rob is still yelling at Sophie about
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it because he was upset that she would even be open to the idea I
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guess of sleeping with another girl or something. Wait, Rob is yelling at
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Sophie. Yeh, he was yelling at Rob. I mean Rob was yelling
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at Sophie. And he's like, well, I feel like I'm not good
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enough for you if you want to experiment with women in the future, right,
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Yeah, I just you know, he comes too hard in arguments for
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me. He's like, really really harsh with her. Yeah, and she's
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a young girl. I think she's twenty three or h twenty two. And
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I'm just like, you don't have to talk to her that way. She's
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sitting right there, she can hear you, right, Chill the fuck out,
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dude, Like his ego is too much. He takes everything way too
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personally. He's very insecure, and he should be because he doesn't have a
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job's a loser. And her mother is her mother's name Claire, Claire.
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She's coming on into America to tell him about it. Girl and I live.
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Oh, I love my god. Well, Claire flies in from London,
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England, and she has to stay in a hotel because Rob doesn't have
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enough room in his hostel that he lives in. And so Rob and Sophie
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after they cooked kind of a weird meal in his apartment. They go over,
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Oh wait, you can't just gloss over there. Yes, they're kitchenette.
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Yeah, and she like, I guess the oven is warming up,
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but it's also heating up her telephone, it's heating up her drink, and
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they're trying. She's trying to I don't know, cut vegetables or prepare a
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meal. And a tastle tray pull out like a TV tray and they have
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to sit opposite. I mean, I'm just like I remember when I was
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first married the first time at eighteen, we didn't have a lot. Yeah,
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but I mean he's thirty two years old. I mean, and you're
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pulling out a TV tray so she can sit down and make you a meal,
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and you're not. I don't want to be classiest. Well, and
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I get everybody's we're all at different stages of our lives, but I feel
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like he should be farther along than this. He could do better. He's
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thirty two. He doesn't have a job, Like That's the thing. It's
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like it would be one thing if you were like grinding and you were just
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making this work for now until your lease was up and then you, you
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know, saved up for a better place. Like I get that, but
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he's not even working. No, he's not working. Well how can I
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work? I mean I have to spend time with your daughter to travel and
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we were spending time in Plaia and was hard. I can't just get a
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job. What are you talking about? You don't understand. You don't understand
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what it's like to be at the bottom, is what he tells. Yeah,
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your privilege, mo, Yeah, too much privilege. I'm like,
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look, man, I mean I get it. We've all been at the
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bottom. We've all had our struggles. I totally understand. But like I
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think about when you and your daughter or me and your daughter got married and
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we were like moved into our first place together. We were in a dingy
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studio apartment. It was less than five hundred square feet. I mean,
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it was cheap and we were in Texas at the time, but it was
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like the floors were caving in a little bit. We had weird neighbors.
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It wasn't in the best neighborhood. But like, we were both working.
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We were in our early twenties, and then we worked our way up to
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a better place, right, So just kind of the trajectory that's kind of
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how you do it. So it's just I do think he's kind of behind
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the eight ball and his age, and I think he's really insecure about it.
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Yeah, and that's why he's really really defensive, which is how we
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get to the scene with the mom. But I'll let you take overall.
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Well, after they go and pick up the mom essentially at the hotel,
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well it's at the hotel the mom, Claire is like immediately like when are
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you getting married? And Rob's like, chilbro like, we'll get married when
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we can or whatever. And then at some point the mom makes kind of
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like an off the cuff joke about Rob's mom and he takes it personally,
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right. She's like, well, when you throw the bouquet, I mean
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throw that to me because I've never been married and I want to catch it.
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And Rob says, well, there's not gonna be a whole lot of
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people there, so it's gonna be like you and my mom. And she's
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like, well, I'm gonna tackle your mom and I'm gonna get that bouquet.
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And he says something like, well, I mean she's a little person
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a very little, petite lady and she's not aggressive. Yeah, and so
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Claire takes the mother takes offense to that. Let's talk about this particular situation,
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because I'm wondering how you saw that. Do you think Rob fucked that
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up? Or do you think Claire is being a bit too much? Well,
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I think they're both being too much. I think that's probably why they
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get on each other's nerves. But I mean, Rob was calling Claire aggressive,
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and I'm like, she was just making a sarcastic jill. But I
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think he was joking. I mean, he was just kind of to me,
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it was like he was just rolling with her vibe. She's joking about
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tackling physically tackling his mother, and he's kind of just going along with that
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and just says, she's not aggressive, My mom's not aggressive. I don't
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know. I just felt like, it's okay for you to joke. But
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then as soon as he jokes back, now it's not a joke because it's
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pointed in your direction. Yeah, I guess it could go either way because
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Rob tends to take things personally and we've seen it on the show. So
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it's kind of hard for me because it looked like to me Rob was taking
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it personally, but that's also the way Claire was framing it. So it's
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just kind of like an editor bullshit. It's probably scripted, honestly, I
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don't know. But then he says like, well, how come it's okay
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for you to joke but not me, And so at that point you have
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to make a decision to take him at his word. And if he's like,
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no, I'm just joking right right, then, I mean like we
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can choose to believe that and not take offense to it. But it looks
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like her mother's coming into this situation just looking to be offended on behalf of
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her self and her daughter. Well, and she also doesn't like him,
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like she's coming into this situation already hating him. Rob the nob yep,
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And he knows it too. He's kind of on the defense because he's like,
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this bitch don't like me, Yeah, because I'm an unlikable loser,
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and yeah, I don't have a job. I'm not taking care of her
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daughter. I mean to her daughter. I yell at her daughter. She
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knows because every time they get into a fight, Sophie calls her mom exactly.
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Yeah, so maybe that's why she reacted that way. But then after
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this little weird exchange at the hotel, the next day is when Claire comes
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over to visit his place. And this is the long and I think,
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I'm in front of your apartment. I don't know where I am an ext
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care somebody on Reddit went in sleuted where he actually lives, and he was
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renting out like an old restaurant. That's where he was. Yeah, that's
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where he was renting. That's why he's got a steel sink, and that's
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why the bathrooms separate from that room he's in. Okay, it's like an
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old restaurant. Interesting, all right. I was wondering if it was like
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a converted garage ye or something like that. Yeah, people were saying it's
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an old restaurant, and that probably possibly the reason why he's renting it is
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because his credit's bad. You think, yeah, you think I can guarantee
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you his credit is bad, We can infer he has no like liquidity to
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put a down payment or first last month plus a security deposit on a nice
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place. He don't get it, honey, No, he don't. But
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Clara immediately, like once she finds the place, she gets into the courtyard
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and she's like, well, this is like a pretty courtyard. Keep walking,
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this is nice. And then going Sophie's like, yeah, that's the
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bathroom over there behind the bushes, and the mom's like, oh, the
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bathroom's not attached. She knows that already though surely Sophie has told her that.
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That's a little bit of a dig at Rob of course. Yeah,
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and then she gets into the actual humble abode and she's like, wow,
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this is not great. She's like, do better. She immediately like reams
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him and is like, be a real man. A real man would have
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made sure that he had a nice place set up for my precious daughter who
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flews in London to California to be with you. A real man would have
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made sure she had everything she needs and had a job to take care of
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her. What the fuck is this? I mean, she's not wrong though,
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Like if Sophie can't work and she he's completely dependent on Rob, Like,
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come on, dude, you should have done better, and he's like,
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well, what did you want me to do? I could have waited
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to see your daughter and saved up, but like I wanted to spend time
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with her, so you can do both. You can like plan out your
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schedule yeah, as to when you're going to spend time with Sophie, and
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you can actually work a job. Yeah. I just he was incredibly embarrassed,
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which is why he flew off the handle and he started arguing with her
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mother's. See. I wouldn't have done that if I were him. I
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mean I could be offended, I could pick up and walk out and go
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somewhere else, but I don't think I would have started screaming at my girlfriend's
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mom like that. No, not a good look at all. This is
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where he's like, you don't know what it's like to be at the bottom,
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and you're just coming here and judging me and you don't like me,
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and fuck you, and then goes and sits out in the court courtyard.
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I'm like, dude, you're thirty two, Like grow up a little bit.
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Like I get it if you're ashamed or if you're embarrassed. But all
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you have to say he's like, look, i'm struggling. It's been hard.
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You could blame it on COVID and just be like I'm trying my best.
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Your daughter's safe with me, though, Like it's gonna be fine,
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right, that's all you have to say. Just acknowledge that this isn't where
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you want to be and that you actually have plans to make a better situation,
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and just speak to her about it. I mean, but the mom
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did come in pretty hot a little bit and pretty judgmental. Yeah, but
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like she's already coming in hating Rob Yeah, like the rest of us do.
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Of course, he's hate the bole. I would be judging too.
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I'm just I'm not gonna lie. Yeah. Next we get to Gino and
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Jasmine, who are still in Miami, and they're going to do salsa dancing
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classes, right, and Gino says he's got the dance skills of John Travolta,
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okay, which I thought was really funny. But then he's like,
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just kidding, I have two left feet, and it's pretty cringe. And
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then the next day they go to take some selfies at some peer or whatever,
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and this is where Jasmin starts talking about her kid wants a and how
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she misses him, and then Gino's like, yeah, I would love to
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be a stepdad to him, but I'd also love a baby of my own.
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And then this brings up a conversation we haven't heard them talk about before,
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which is, let's have kids, and Jasmine doesn't want to have kids
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because she's nervous that she will produce a neurodivergent kid. Right because her second
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she's got two sons, jac is apparently nonverbal and has a mental disorder.
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She didn't say what it was, but one can assume it's probably like autism
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or something. And she is deeply ashamed about it. And she says,
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I wouldn't say ashamed she is. She said, I ruined him. Oh,
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okay, Well she's not ashamed of him, no, but she said
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she's like she's ashamed because she doesn't want to produce like a neuro divergent kid.
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For she like she thinks maybe something genetic that she's passing down is causing
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her children to be neurodivigent. Is own s also no, no, So
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yeah, I felt that this was This was really sad. It was also
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a dimension of Jasmine that we really don't get to see a whole lot because
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she's always on fucking one hundred instead of on ten. Yeah, she's always
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hysterical about something, you know. And I had my whole judgment moment when
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she's talking about how she would do anything for her child and that she wants
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to give them everything, And I'm like, well, what about your presence
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though, Yeah, like why aren't you actually around your children, Like why
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I know you're presumably coming to America maybe to make a better life for yourself,
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but like, even when you were in Panama, you were living in
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an apartment building. I don't think you were living with your kids. And
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I'm like, I don't know about that. I'm a little bit judgy around
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that, but I did definitely feel for her when she was opening up about
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her youngest son, and I thought Gino, by the way, handled that
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exceptionally well. I agree, for a dork. I was actually surprised that
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he handled it as well as he did because Gina's such a dummy. But
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he was like very sweet and he's like, don't worry about it. We
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would love the child no matter what, Like, it doesn't matter to me.
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It's not your fault, it's not your fault self. Yeah. I
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was a little judge when she said the words I ruined him, like she
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ruined her child, because I'm like, that's mean, But like I also
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understand it. It's not broken. Yeah, he's not broken. Like,
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but I also understand it from the parent's perspective. It's not like, you
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know, she doesn't. It's not that she doesn't love her child, because
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she does, but it's like it's a harder life for him because he's got
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this mental disorder. So I get it, and I was I was actually
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like surprised to see this kind of vulnerability from Jasmine because she seems like she's
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a crazy, unhinged personality, but she's actually got a heart in there somewhere.
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Yeah, she does. Yeah, And like I said, I thought
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Gino behaved in a very emotionally intelligent way and said the right things, and
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I think in doing so really softens Jasmine up to him. Yeah, which,
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of course is going to be just stripped away next time when she has
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to tell him about that. But job, But what for right now?
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It seems pretty nice, I know, crazy up and down all the time
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with them. Then we get to Sam and Citraugh, honey, listen that
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mother of Sam, that addict. Oh yeah, that clear drunk, intoxicated
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addict person living in a house with no furniture with her mother who's not all
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there standing in judgment of beautiful Citra for being Muslim and from another place and
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talking about Jesus Christ, and you know, I wish she would just serve
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the God that I serve. Meanwhile, are you eight balling? Are you
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doing drugs in the back? What do you I spotted her immediately, and
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I think I spotted her when I saw her the very first time at the
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family picnic. I'm like that lady's an alcoholic, Oh yeah, and or
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drug abuser. Yeah, so that's where Sam gets it. Yeah, yes,
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like mother like son? Right was that the phrase? Yeah? I
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don't like her at all. So essentially their segment starts with Sam and Citra.
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It's like the next day after Sam told Citra, oh, by the
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way, I was a dumb ass and I didn't fill fill out my diversion
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paperwork in time, so I might have to go to jail while you're here.
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Sorry about that. Citra's still dealing with it, and her payback is
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to cook him very spicy Indonesian food, which I'm like, I want it.
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I would love that. That sounds delicious very much. So. She
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also got herself a rice pot, which everybody needs. Yes, I'm from
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Hawaii, we have rice with Abba solui. Everything. She must be so
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happy she can make her rice, I know, just potatoes and white people
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do. She gets to have her rice. And so after she pays him
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back, she's like, well, I forgive you kind of He's like,
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well, are you gonna make sure not to leave me if I go to
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jail because he's such an idiot, right, like, dude, come on,
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so manipulative, like you didn't fill out your paperwork in time, and
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then you're gonna be like, but don't leave me though, right when she
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should she should. Then they go over to Sam's mom's house, and this
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is where Sam said that he actually has been estranged from his mother for ten
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years. And that was my first giveaway that she was a drug addict.
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Yeah, for sure, not that, not just that, Sam, it's
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the mom for sure. And I guess now she's gotten a house. So
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that's why there's no furniture there. Her mother probably somehow got the house and
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so she's leeching off her mother. Yeah, totally. And they moved from
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North Carolina to Missouri. So they go over there. Sitra brings over some
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like meat dish or whatever. It is, like a you know, nice
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house warming thing whatever, and the mom's initially nice she's like, Oh,
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you're so beautiful, it's so great, but then immediately gets into so you're
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gonna have a Muslim wedding? Are you gonna convert? And she's not okay
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with this, but she reacts okay in front of them. She doesn't say
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anything obscene in front of them. No, she's not a straight up it
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out loud in front of them, but she alludes to not necessarily praying for
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them for the reason that they want. When the producers are talking to her,
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it's just this whole And actually Sam said it pretty clearly like they're the
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type of people who claim Jesus and claim Christianity, but then they don't act
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like it at all in their own personal lives. Yep. And I just
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I you know, I spend a lot of time in Christianity. I was
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a missionary and everything people know my story like many many years in organized religion.
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I still consider myself to be Christian, but I mean a very ecumenical,
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open minded Christian. But like I one thing I do not miss are
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Christians in the church yep. Judgmental, hypocritical Christians of the church. And
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even though she's kind of an outlier because she's clearly also an addict. Yeah,
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it's just the same old shit. People who claim Jesus and love are
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the ones that are the least loving to other people who aren't like them.
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Right, And I'm sorry, but the God that she worship, I'm going
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off. The god that she worships is to me, it is the same
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God that you worship, just of a different name, and it's a different
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system that gets there. But like, okaat go off, queen. Yeah,
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like whatever, I mean, I guess I can understand the sentiment she
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says where she's like, I don't feel like you should have to convert to
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be with somebody, Yes, And I mean I agree with that because I
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think Sam's kind of stupid. He's just converting just to get it. He
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doesn't know what he's doing. No, he doesn't care either. It's not
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important to him. He just wants to get laid, that's it. And
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so that's wrong and he shouldn't be just converting to a religion or committing to
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a religion just because he's sprung. But at the same time, like who
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fucking cares. And then she was talking about the Muslim wedding and she's like,
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I don't know if I can go to something that I don't necessarily support.
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I'm like, but your son's getting married, though, so you can
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support that, right, It doesn't really matter how the wedding happens. He's
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getting married. Yeah, she's judging as fuck. And she's a drug addict,
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I know, And she doesn't think that it's obvious that she has her
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own problems. And it's just really rich that you stand in judgment of other
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people when you clearly have so many things going wrong in your own life because
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of your own choices and by your own design. Yep. Yeah, but
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her mom was cute though, who's mom? Oh she was cut? Yeah
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she was. I mean, like she didn't really seem like she was all
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there. She be taking advantage of her Social Security benefits by Sam's mom probably,
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Why isn't she Why is she sleeping on a cot in the living room
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next to her daughter who's free basic drugs no doubt? I don't know.
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Did you see the patches of holes in the wall too? And I'm like,
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what's going on here? Something weird's going on. I'm worried about that
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lady, that grandma, I know, I'm worried about this whole family and
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I'm worried about Citra, and now she's stuck with all these things. I'm
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barely worried about Citra. She's way too good for all of these people,
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because what if Sam goes to jail, then what is she gonna do.
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She's gonna have the choice of hanging out with Sam's drug addict mom or Sam's
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creepy father, alien father. It's like, she's so pretty and she cooks,
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Can you cook for me? Ew? I would be super worried for
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her. I know, let's pray for citrus geseikes. Yeah. Yeah.
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Then we get to Nicki and Justin Igor, who have been gone for so
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long I almost forgot the existest so much. Look, Justin is Justin.
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I called him Justin. I know Igor is showing his true colors. He's
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been showing up, but I mean he's but it's been a slow kind of
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crawl to really revealing how he feels. I mean, he says things here
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and there, but like when she's we'll get there, but when she's talking
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about threesomes and he's just laughing at her, I'm just like, he doesn't
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give a shit anymore. No, he doesn't care at all. Yeah,
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it's been pretty bitches. What what are you going to do about it?
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Not a damn thing. So we meet them driving home from that weird vacation
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winery like four episodes ago, and they're still arguing because Nicki feels upset that
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Igor was fucking other bitches while they were still technically dating. He's like,
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I don't see what the big idea is. I'm just a man, men,
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fuck, Like, what do you expect? It was a friends with
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benefits? Yeah, I mean it was Nicki cheating on him. She hasn't
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said she hasn't, but he hasn't asked no exactly, so he doesn't care.
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Yeah, and you guys were long distance and you guys have broken up.
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Listen, I would be broken hearted if I was long distance with somebody
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and I was like being faithful and I loved them and I was anticipating marriage
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and I found out that he's having all kinds of moldoven friends with benefit romances
22:45
like in the way that she did. Ye, I would be broken hearted.
22:48
But I don't know. I just can't like picture Nicki having a conversation
22:56
with him being like this is these are the boundary, right, These are
23:00
the parameters of the relationship that we're going to operate like, yeah, No,
23:03
all she does is scream yep and demand sex. Yeah, exactly.
23:07
By every phone call they had during long distance, it was some sort of
23:11
fucking sex phone call. Sexy call. It's a phone sex call for real.
23:17
So she's upset and Igor doesn't get it. And then they get back
23:21
to his house. Why she's so upset? She's so driven by sex?
23:25
Oh yeah, she's so driven by what is between her legs and the sexual
23:29
experience. Can she not appreciate that he might want the same thing? No,
23:34
okay, may you think that she's understand like, I get it because
23:40
all I want to do is fuck all the time. Apparently no, but
23:42
no, she's jealous as fuck. Yeah, and she wants monogamy, and
23:47
I'm like, that's cool. Then you should have said that, you know
23:49
what I mean? Like, if you guys had this seventeen year long like
23:53
friendship slash relationship, you guys break up, you have this all this trauma
23:56
and baggage, and then you have years of like kind of talking not talking,
24:02
all this back and forth. Like I'm sure Igor was probably like,
24:04
I mean, we're not married yet. But then again, they went to
24:10
Mexico together, and so she said that even then he was still fucking people.
24:14
So, like, they had a whole trip together and they were talking
24:17
about marriage allegedly, So I get why she might be upset. It's all
24:22
so convoluted. I don't know, it's not going anywhere, it's not going
24:26
to work. Yep. Then they get back to the apartment and Nikki's like,
24:30
I still have to talk about this, and Igor's like, okay,
24:33
what, and she's like playing with that little stuffed animal Ostritch or whatever.
24:38
He does not give up. He doesn't care. He doesn't care at all.
24:41
And so she's like, okay, well, I need to know how
24:45
many people you fucked because we had unprotected sex, so I need to know
24:48
exactly how many. And he's like two. Okay, you don't believe him
24:52
now. I think there's way more than too oh yeah, especially over the
24:57
years, way more than two. Oh yeah, for sure, for sure.
25:00
And so she's like, okay, fine, whatever, But I still
25:03
feel used, and I still feel like you don't care about me. And
25:07
I'm forty seven years old or whatever, and I did all of my experimenting
25:11
in my twenties. I had three somes, I had four sims. I
25:15
had five sums. I had them with all different shapes, three men,
25:18
all up in every hole in Paris, and it wasn't that great. But
25:22
I did that, and poor Igor is just sitting there going, well,
25:25
I want to try some of that. Yeah, I want to have some
25:27
sexual experiences. I'm stuck in Moldova with all these trad women. I want
25:32
to go to Paris and bang people, right, But no, Nikki's not
25:34
about that life anymore. No, She's like, I want monogamy. I
25:37
want a husband. He's like, well, but you met me when we
25:40
were in when I was in my twenties, and so I didn't get to
25:42
experiment at all, and then we broke up in a traumatic way, and
25:47
I still haven't gotten to experiment, So like, why can't we just experiment
25:51
together? Uh huh? And I mean, I guess I can kind of
25:52
understand the perspective if he's like being like, well, why can't we,
25:56
you know, make it a part of our relationship. But Nikki doesn't want
26:00
and that's fine, that's her boundary. But I'm like, this whole thing
26:03
is just stupid as fuck, because then Nicki makes it about her being trans,
26:10
and she says the reason why Igor was fucking other women is because she
26:15
thinks that she isn't enough for him as a trans woman. And she's right.
26:19
I'm not saying that's right. Yeah, she is right. Because of
26:22
course we see Igor go out with his friend and have a discussion about how
26:26
this is really hard trying to work it out with Nicki because she's always bringing
26:30
this masculine energy and his friend, who is a complete toxic masculinity person trastic.
26:38
Well, women are inherently manipulative, yeah, and so like you've got
26:42
to show her your manly side, Yeah, be the man in the relationship.
26:47
And he was like, okay, but I mean the fact of the
26:51
matter is he's not attracted to Nicki. He's not. Try but he's not,
26:56
But he's not. And like Nikki just needs to get that through her
26:57
head and try to and stop trying to force him to love her, like
27:03
she wants this to work so bad, I think, and I think he
27:06
does love her. You think he even says, my heart loves her,
27:08
my body not so much. My heart loves them. But like I can't
27:12
like get it up. Yeah, I can't like feel that physical intimacy with
27:17
her because I can't get there in my mind, and right or wrong,
27:21
that's where he's at. And I feel like she just doesn't want to accept
27:23
that and or she wants to take that really critically and judgmentally, whereas I
27:27
don't think he can help it. Like I feel like Igor wishes he could
27:32
think physically she was the hottest woman on the planet and get into it,
27:37
but he can't. No, And I think he did when they first were
27:40
together, like when he didn't know that she was trans, like he was
27:44
all up in it. I mean they were together for two years, fucking
27:47
all the time, and Nicki says that they had a crazy sex life,
27:51
and then the second he found that out, he was like devastated, And
27:53
so I mean, like, can you fucking blame him, Nikki, Like
27:56
I'm sorry, but like you're the one that fucking lied. You didn't say
28:00
anything to him, and now it's you're trying to make something work that's never
28:03
gonna work, right, She needs to just give up, And it looks
28:07
like she doesn't give up. It looks like she's going to receive a text
28:08
at some point in the future where Igor just calls it off overtext, and
28:11
she's going to be devastated. But I'm like, lady, the writing is
28:15
on the wall. Yeah, and he's writing it on your wall over and
28:19
over. Yes, he doesn't want this. His last ditch every was like
28:23
why why did right? Why did he take her to meet his parents?
28:30
Like? Why take her to meet all of his friends, who we already
28:33
know are in Moldova totally judging him, Although they're being cool on the camera,
28:37
they're totally judging him. Yeah, why would he put himself in all
28:38
of these situations unless he did love her? Yeah, but that doesn't change
28:44
the fact that he can't get there. No, he just can't do it.
28:45
I think you're right. I think he really has been trying to get
28:48
himself to love her and be with her, but it's just not fucking working.
28:53
Then we get too man, she's desperate because she's forty seven. I'm
28:56
not moving on. She's forty seven and she's almost fifty years old, you
29:00
know, And she's like, well, what am I gonna do now?
29:04
Yeah, and this is my hot young stud I've like hitched my wagon to
29:08
the idea of us getting married, and now I'm almost fifty years old?
29:11
What the fuck am I gonna do? I know she's feeling desperate. I
29:15
know that's probably why she's acting so desperately with him, But she needs to
29:18
calm down, pull back, collect herself. She's a lovely person. I
29:22
mean, she calms down, she's a lovely person. And just move on
29:26
in your own life. You'll be okay, Nikki, and maybe stop going
29:30
after Moldovan men say you obviously don't have a good track record with them,
29:33
right, Like, just stop it and try and find somebody. And fucking
29:37
where's she from Jersey something? I mean, I'm sorry, like that,
29:41
somebody go and Tinder or something? Yes, yes, good lord. Then
29:47
we get to Manuel and Ashley you don't like him at all. I do
29:52
not like him at all whole. But what I can acknowledge about him is
29:56
that he puts himself out there authentically, like this is what I expect,
30:00
this is how I think we should live, and this is what I'm gonna
30:03
do. Yep. And Ashley just can't accept it. It's not like he's
30:08
lying to her and saying I am fine if you go spend your money over
30:11
here and then stealing. He's telling her exactly who he is and what he
30:15
wants, and she's the one who's trying to change him, yes, and
30:18
frustrating herself in the process. Yes, they have a weird fucking relationship.
30:23
So we start off with them. Ashley has invited over Manuel's bff, Jonathan,
30:30
who lives in New York, and the whole purpose of this was to
30:34
make Menuel feel more comfortable and to have somebody else to speak Spanish with,
30:38
right and feel a little bit more, you know, just at ease,
30:42
because he's been feeling a little like a fish out of water up in New
30:45
York. So Menuel and Jonathan go to like a bar or whatever, and
30:51
Melwell immediately is like, Ashley spends way too much money. I feel like
30:55
she needs to help me support my family. This was the agreement that we
30:57
had. Blah blah blah. And Jonathan's like, dude, you're in America.
31:03
Like people spend money here. We are a nation of consumers. I've
31:06
got twenty pairs of shoes, I've got all these different clothes, Like,
31:08
that's just the way it is here. It's not abnormal for Ashley to be
31:12
spending money on Starbucks or shoes or little trinkets and stuff for herself. And
31:18
I mean he's right, yes, he is. That's just what it is,
31:22
And I mean, I understand that Unwell is kind of a frugal,
31:26
you know dude, and he does care about his family and that's indicative of
31:29
his culture is of course, of course. But at the same time,
31:33
like, lighten up a little bit, like she is sending money, Like
31:36
didn't we have two episodes ago, you guys agreed she's going to be sending
31:38
your family like at least one hundred dollars a month, and then she's going
31:41
to increase it, like she's sending your family money. It's not like she's
31:45
not sending anything, right, it's I think his proprietary like claim over her
31:51
money, Like he just expects her to take her own resources and send them
31:56
to his family that he hasn't actually introduced her too properly. So she's just
32:00
like, know these people are she's gonna be funding their lifestyle to some degree,
32:05
and he's just like, damn right you are. Yeah, that's what
32:07
I expect. Yeah, And at least he's putting it on Front Street and
32:12
she could say no and she could break up, but she's not gonna do
32:15
that. She's gonna make herself miserable for sure, to keep getting upset because
32:17
he's saying the same thing over and over again. Yeah, And I wondered
32:22
if, like the reason why he's so reactive about it is because he can't
32:25
work, And so if he comes from this culture of like the men provide
32:29
for the family, and the men are supposed to be working all this stuff,
32:32
it might be really frustrating for him to not be able to provide any
32:36
money. So he's like just fucking sending all the money that you have.
32:38
I don't know. I'm getting Rob vibes from him. Rob He's going to
32:42
be a I don't know. I'm just kidding, like, I'm not so
32:44
sure if he's going to be working so hard. I don't know. I
32:46
feel like he's just a drain on her resources and he's using her. Oh
32:52
maybe he does get a job. I don't I'm sure he'll get a job,
32:54
but I'm just saying, like, I don't feel like he's motivated to
32:58
go out and do all that he wants to what she has for himself.
33:00
M Well, time will tell with that for sure. And he's placating her
33:05
with Dick because in the preview for next week, they're fighting and arguing and
33:08
she's crying. She's upset that he still feels the same way that he's felt
33:12
the entire time and told you about. And then he takes her into the
33:15
bathroom and bangs her. Yeahroom, cressroom. I was so grossed, grossed
33:22
out by that, Like that is nasty, dude, But whatever. I
33:24
mean, their only like viable form of communication is sets. That's how they
33:30
connect. That's it. And I really felt for Ashley in this episode because
33:32
I've been kind of critical of her in these recaps because I think she's kind
33:36
of annoying sometimes. But in this episode, I was like, dang,
33:38
I feel really bad for her because Manuel. She joins Manuel and Jonathan at
33:44
some point, and Menuel immediately is like, you're spending way too much money,
33:47
and Ashley's like trying to communicate with Jonathan so that way he can try
33:52
to translate to Menuel. It's like this whole big old mess. But essentially
33:57
Ashley's like, fuck you, dude, because I pay for all of these
34:00
bills on my own. I'm sponsoring you without a co signer, which I'm
34:04
like, that's a big deal for Kwan visa, and she's sending money to
34:08
your family, Like she's doing all this shit by herself with no help,
34:12
with no family giving her any other money. You don't seem very grateful about
34:15
any of it. You're just expecting more and more and more. Yes,
34:19
I was like, dang slag queen, Like, I don't know what you
34:21
do. Mean. I think she's kind of out of pocket. Every time
34:23
they go out with other people, she's always bringing up their problems, and
34:27
I think in that conversation with the friend at the coffee shop, she's the
34:30
one who brings it up to their friend and she's like, I need you
34:31
to tell him, like this is what I'm doing and this is what he
34:35
needs to understand. I'm like, that's awkward. Why do you always have
34:37
to fight in front of other people? Maybe it's a kink for them.
34:40
Maybe maybe they just like that's what they do. They fight and they have
34:44
makeup sex. I mean, they use sex to solve their problems, but
34:47
maybe they like the conflicts. Maybe. Oh they're exhausting, they're really annoying.
34:52
But I'm just like, okay, girl. Oh. She also says
34:55
that I'm doing all this stuff for you monetarily, and I'm fucking you multiple
34:59
times a day. I'm like, I think you like that, though.
35:01
I think you're enjoying that. Maybe that's not necessarily Manuel, maybe that's you,
35:07
you're jumping his book. But yeah, but she makes up. She's
35:08
making a good point, like I am literally facilitating your entire existence. I'm
35:13
giving you everything that I can possibly give you, and I'm giving shit to
35:15
your family too, and you're still bitching about it. Man, Well fuck
35:19
you fuck out of here. God, she go and marry him? So
35:22
oh yeah, she marry him, I know. And then they're gonna divorce.
35:28
Of course, he's gonna use her and then lose her, and she's
35:30
gonna cry and be so shocked about it. Maybe they'll be on the Last
35:34
Resort. Oh god, please know with the sex therapy. I want to
35:38
see them on last Resort. I want to see Gino and Jasmine on last
35:44
resort too, Maybe Nikki and Justin Igor. That'd be great. That would
35:47
be pretty funny. I would like that. Yeah, she's probably gonna end
35:51
up on The Single Life though, probably okay, which we haven't watched,
35:54
No, we have none, nor do I want to. I'm not watching
35:57
Veronica and Chantal no way, I'm not doing that. And Natalie, oh,
36:00
I know, thank you the worst The Barnacle parasite. Natalie, No,
36:06
I know, absolutely not last but not leaks. We get to Clayton,
36:10
this little or milk toast in small stature, small dick man. No
36:22
is the worst. It's the morning after they're really terrible double date with Cameron
36:29
and his hands are so small. Do you ever like when he was working
36:32
the girl, He's like, all I could do was look at his hands.
36:36
I'm like, this is not looking good for Annie. No wonder it's
36:37
been fifty nine days since you haven't had sex. This man has toddler hands,
36:44
the hands of a three year old dude. He has no what do
36:46
the kids call it? Riz? No, No, no at all.
36:52
I'm like, dude, there's nothing redeemable about you, really nothing. I
36:57
mean, your personality is terrible. Let's try to think of one thing that
37:00
he's got that's redeeming of him. He loves animals, He's gonna say,
37:07
he loves his mother. Yeah, I guess. Okay, he's got a
37:12
stable job. I think it's more so than rob right, correct. Okay,
37:16
so there's a few things, so I can see why somebody might buy
37:21
into the idea of him. I guess. Until they get to America and
37:25
actually have to spend time with him and see his little papper hair baby hands
37:30
and got pymmy hands work in that girl's so nasty and so Annilly is obviously
37:38
still upset with him for talking about their sex life immediately, and Clayton's justification
37:47
for this and his talking head is like, well, but it's our private
37:51
life, so it affects me, So I feel like I should be allowed
37:53
to talk about it with my friend. I'd love my husband to tell me
37:58
that, dude, you would divorce him. You'd be like, peace out.
38:01
But back to what's his face? Rat face? Pamper like pamper rat
38:07
face? Boy? Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, in a relationship,
38:12
you don't do that. I mean, am I being unreasonable though?
38:15
Because I know with women, women like to talk to other women, their
38:19
friends about their relationships and things like that. I remember talking to my best
38:23
friend in my twenties about my first husband and actually drawing a picture of a
38:29
life size picture of his penis and drawing a life size picture of her husband's
38:35
penis, and we were was it smaller? Was her husband smaller? Yeah,
38:40
it's married to that small one man, honey, married to that small
38:44
man. But I'm just saying like women, I do acknowledge that we tend
38:46
to have those types of relationships with each other when we're always talking about it.
38:51
But I don't know if my men did that, I would be upset.
38:53
Well, yeah, especially, and I mean I don't know when I
38:57
came into this family, Like I came from a family who talked mad shit,
39:00
Like there ain't no secrets in my family at all, Like people talk
39:05
about everybody in my family. So when I met your daughter, she has
39:07
the same kind of way, like, don't talk about you know, our
39:10
relationship, our personal stuff with like just anybody. Like if you want to
39:15
mention a couple things, it's fine, but like, don't talk about our
39:19
dirty details, especially our sex life. You don't need to be talking about
39:22
that to strangers or National TV. Clayton, so right, I mean that
39:28
was something that like I learned. I'm like, oh, okay, that's
39:30
a normal human behavior. I don't want privacy and to have boundaries that,
39:35
especially sexual stuff. So he was he's but he has no home training,
39:40
he has no worldly experience, he doesn't have any social training. He does
39:45
not know how to act. This is the first time he actually met that
39:46
guy Cameron or whatever. What's his name, Cameron, Yeah, you know,
39:50
in person. So he just doesn't know how to act. Well,
39:52
I'm like, dude, and you're talking about the sex life. It'd be
39:54
one thing if you were just talking about something very mundane in your guys's relationship.
39:59
But you're talking about the fact that she won't fuck you right to these
40:02
people you're just now meeting, she's never met before, and you're blasting it
40:07
on TV, like, come on, such an Inso when he was saying
40:10
all this stuff, he's like, well, it's our private life and it
40:13
affects me, I'm like, oh my, that's not how that works.
40:16
You are a dorbo virgin. I can't. But then he ultimately apologizes to
40:22
Annaly and she accepts it like the dummy she is because she loves him for
40:27
some right she does. She how she looks at him, she hates him.
40:31
She literally hates him. She's disgusted by him, and so am I.
40:37
So honalys the same. Yeah over breakfast when he's putting mayonnaise on his
40:40
breakfast sandwich, and I'm just like, she hates him the way she's looking
40:47
him, Like, oh, she's not attracted him. Nobody's attracted him.
40:52
Nobody would be attracted him. No, not at all. And so after
40:58
he apologizes or ever, then he's like, I've got a surprise for you.
41:01
And then he's like, I can't tell you about it. So I'm
41:05
gonna go hang out with Cameron, and then him and Cameron go and do
41:08
some dance lessons. Gay gay? You think they're gay for each other?
41:20
Well, there's the undertones of the helmet eroticism. When he's running into his
41:23
arms in the airport, I know, and they're hugging everython. Can we
41:27
still hug? I'm gonna hug you hug you wanna dance? I thought the
41:32
same thing. I was like, dang, dude, maybe this whole ninety
41:37
day fiance trope was just for him and Cameron Timmy. Maybe. But Clayton,
41:45
just like Gino, is a bad fucking dancer go figure, which is
41:49
so embarrassing. I'm like, it's not that hard, Like how do you
41:52
not have rhythm? A lot of people don't have rhythm, But I mean,
41:55
why are you putting yourself in a situation with another bro to learn how
42:00
to dance? I just he's like trying to do it like romantic because he
42:05
says he's learning a Peruvian dance, like a special Peruvian dance to dance with
42:09
Annie at their wedding. And I'm like, okay, that's nobody's gonna laugh
42:15
for anything with that big hat on and you dancing around in the proof if
42:19
you're gonna be a wedding please, I doubt that she just got dump him
42:22
a sap. I can't. She cannot go on, She's gonna have to.
42:27
And then after the dancing, Cameron and Clayton again talk about Clayton's relationship
42:32
even more, and Cameron's giving him advice and he's like, well, you
42:37
know, you need to talk to her about not fucking you, but also
42:39
you need to talk to her about how she's not telling her dad about you,
42:43
right, which I mean that's fair, yes on yep. Continue.
42:47
So then they go back to the nice Airbnb, where Cameron ultimately says his
42:52
goodbyes. He's like, it was nice seeing y'all. Piece. Did you
42:53
see how Annelie was looking at him? Though? Oh yeah, She's like
42:57
he's cute, little dreamy eyes. Yeah, yeah, like you're a He
43:00
kind of looks like like a Ross version of Bruno Mars, a Ross version
43:07
of Bruno Mars. Yeah he's not my type, but like he's infinitely better
43:10
than Clayton. Oh yeah, yeah, take me with you, Clayton.
43:17
Oh god. And then Clayton cooks Onnally a very sad, pathetic looking dinner
43:22
with this weird steak and store bought potatoes Toddlerham I know, work in the
43:29
grill Toddlerham really bad. It looks very unhapptizing, and then he immediately gets
43:34
into Hey, Annie, why don't you tell your dad about me? And
43:37
she's like, we've talked about this. Are you really gonna ruin my dinner?
43:42
Yes, bitch, I'm gonna ruin your dinner because like we're gonna get
43:44
married within thirty days or whatever it is, and you haven't told your parents
43:46
yet, Like, what are you actually doing here? Yeah, we've been
43:49
together for two years. Why can't you say something right? You're saying it
43:52
on TV? And she's like hiding. I know there's some kind of an
43:54
ulterior motive here. Maybe she's ashamed of Clayton. Ant that could be the
44:00
most obvious choice, right, yeah, Like maybe she's in love with him.
44:05
I can't see why, but maybe she just doesn't want to bring him
44:07
home. To she don't touch the man. She won't. She has,
44:12
though, I to lure so that she could lure him into a relationship so
44:17
she could move to America. Like and then she's gonna marry him, and
44:20
she's gonna immediately leave him. But she doesn't want to live in America.
44:23
She doesn't want to live in Kentucky. She's from Peru. She's like move
44:28
yeah, yeah, she wants to be with her sick mom. Like,
44:30
I don't think she even wanted to come to me. I don't know what's
44:31
happening with this girl. I just know that, like she seems mean to
44:36
me, Like I do. I've felt that from the beginning. She's like
44:38
got a hard heart sometimes, the way she looks at him, the way
44:42
she talks to him. Yeah, and she's hiding something and she doesn't have
44:45
the courage to just tell him what it is. And he's asking a very
44:49
reasonable question, and so she gets up, she leaves that little steak.
44:52
She goes and cries in another room, and I'm like, what's going on
44:54
with these people? And it's left on a cliffhanger because they're going to fight
44:58
about it in the next episode. And that's like the whole preview. So
45:01
we get to the preview where Clayton and Lee are fighting and she's crying and
45:06
she threatens to break up. Good please, duet go. Gino proposes to
45:12
Jasmine, and Jasmine feels guilty because now she's got to tell him because he
45:15
paid her that big old dog paid for by her ex right, most of
45:22
it was paid for, most of it, and all the money that Gino
45:24
gave her for a wedding dress went to her ass. What's he gonna do?
45:30
Do you think? Oh, he's gonna be pissed. Yeah, he's
45:31
gonna be like, I gave you four thousand dollars and you used it for
45:35
your ass. But maybe she'll spin it and be like, but I know
45:38
you love my ass, Gino. Of course she's gonna try. Yeah,
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we'll see what he does though. Yeah, he's probably gonna freak out.
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And then Sam talks with Citra's father, which I'm very excited to see because
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I feel like the dad's gonna be like, oh fuck you. Yeah.
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And then Igor and Niki are still fighting because he's not attracted to her.
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M Manuel and Ashley go far in a public restroom and probably get some diseases.
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And then Rob is still yelling at Sophie's mom. Yeah, so that's
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it. Good episode, good talk, nice comeback. So how many more
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episodes do you think we have of this season? I don't know. This
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was episode twelve. It kind of feels like Nicky and Igor are wrapping up,
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because what more can they really do? I know we're stretching this out.
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Annalie and Clayton were almost at the end. We're definitely almost at the
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end with Manuel and what's her name? Actually the tornado wedding coming up shortly,
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Robin Sophie. I hear spoiler alert, I hear they're not together.
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Oh, at some point they moved to Texas and I think Austin and specific
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I think they lived together for a little while. But then now he's on
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his own and she's got some nice, tricked out apartment in Austin, and
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he's probably living in a dumpster. Not this dumpster, though, some other
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dumpster. Yeah, oh my gosh. Well, honestly good because I did
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not want to see more of them. Yes, he's the worst. But
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did they get married first? And did they move together as a married couple?
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Oh? God, may did she not? Maybe they did well because
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Normally, this season usually concludes with like weddings. It's usually like this,
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and then after this we'll have a spin off of like Happily or ever After.
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So like normally that's how it goes. But what we've only had We
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haven't even had a wedding, have we? No? I don't think we
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have. So we have one wedding that's coming up, Manuel and Ashley's,
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but that's it. And maybe Geno and Jasmine maybe I don't know if they're
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an I don't know. I don't. I don't think they are. Yeah,
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I don't. I don't think anybody's getting married. So there's got to
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be like maybe two more episodes I could see, and then tell Alls is
47:38
what I'm thinking. There's probably gonna be like three. Are we gonna be
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covering all the tell Alls? Yeah? Okay, Well I don't want to.
47:44
Well, we got to, it's for the job. But we're starting
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vander Pump Rules at the end of this month. Yeah, So do we
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think that ninety Day Fiance is gonna wind down by then? When does Vanderfrumpt
47:55
come out the last week of January? Think, oh, maybe it don't.
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We might have to overlap with some of the toell all. And by
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the way, Raccoons, we might have to switch up our schedule a little
48:06
bit because at the end of Sister Wives, which is next Monday, that's
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the last episode for season eighteen, we're gonna switch over to Sister Wives.
48:13
Rewinds, we're gonna start with season four, so we're kind of going back
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into the archives and doing recaps from there. But we might move our Sister
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Wives coverage till later in the week and then have vander Pump and ninety Day
48:25
Fiance earlier in the week, although I don't know because I think vander Pump
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probably comes out on a Wednesday. I know it's gonna change everything. Don't
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they know that we have a schedule, you know, Well, we're gonna
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we might have to switch it up a little. Yeah, we might have
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to adjust it, So just be flexible, Raccoons. We're getting our shit
48:42
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