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Ken Rosenthal’s Inside Scoop: Dodgers-Padres battle, Phillies turnaround, Bo’s pressure + Tiger talk · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Let's do this.
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Speaker 2: It's the Inside Scoop with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken,
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Speaker 2: let's start with your latest column in The Athletic on Bobaschett.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we've documented the Mets and their wild rollercoaster
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Speaker 2: season plenty, but what about Bo specifically? Should we know
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Speaker 2: in terms of how much heat he's feeling playing in
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Speaker 2: New York City and not living anywhere near up to
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Speaker 2: the contract he's making so much money this year.
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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, he had a good night last night,
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Speaker 3: so maybe he's starting to come out of it. But
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Speaker 3: the story is about just the different things that he
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Speaker 3: has faced since signing the contract with the Mets three years,
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Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty six million with the two opt outs,
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Speaker 3: And no one is going to feel sorry for him.
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Speaker 3: We all understand that, and he understands that. But at
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Speaker 3: the same time, it is worth noting, in my opinion,
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Speaker 3: all the things that he is facing here, and it's
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Speaker 3: a lot. It really is new team in a bigger market,
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Speaker 3: not just the bigger market, the biggest market, New York,
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Speaker 3: which is always, not always, but often difficult for players
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Speaker 3: who come there when they haven't been in that environment before.
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Speaker 3: And then he had the pressure of changing positions, going
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Speaker 3: to third base, which he had never played before and
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Speaker 3: now switching back to shortstop, and the pressure to perform
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Speaker 3: when so many of their hitters are injured. So you
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Speaker 3: put that all together, combine it with him being one
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Speaker 3: of the most unlucky hitters in baseball throughout the first
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Speaker 3: six or seven weeks of the season. Then he's chasing results.
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Speaker 3: Then there's the contract with the opt out at the
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Speaker 3: end of this year, where he's probably thinking it's a
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Speaker 3: weak free agent class. I'm going to be twenty nine.
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Speaker 3: I can crush it even more in the open market.
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Speaker 3: There's pressure there as well, So again, no one's gonna
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Speaker 3: have any sympathy for this. I get it, and we
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Speaker 3: all get it. But at the same time, we have
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Speaker 3: seen countless times before free agent hitters in particular, but
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Speaker 3: also pitchers struggle when they change team for big money,
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Speaker 3: and we saw it earlier this season with Kyle Tucker.
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Speaker 3: He's now starting to heat up. We have seen it
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Speaker 3: again countless times throughout recent history through a free agent era,
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Speaker 3: and it's only amplified when a player is joining a
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Speaker 3: New York team.
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Speaker 4: Ken it's the first time though Bobaschet has switched teams,
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Speaker 4: and I keep saying this over and over again. The
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Speaker 4: first time you change teams is the hardest. And then
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Speaker 4: you throw on top of that new position, New York,
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Speaker 4: all the things, big money, all the things that bobash
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Speaker 4: has had to go through.
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Speaker 5: I think he'll be okay. You mentioned that he's coming
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Speaker 5: out of it. What are the Mets. Are the Mets
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Speaker 5: talking about this or is this.
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Speaker 4: One of those things that's, Hey, we're not going to
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Speaker 4: talk about this because it's less we talk about it
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Speaker 4: the more it goes away.
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Speaker 3: The Mets feel that he's going to hit. Really everyone
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Speaker 3: in the industry, just as you just said, Aja feels
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Speaker 3: he's going to hit. He has always hit before. And Mendoza,
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Speaker 3: the manager, Carlos Mendoz, had a quote last night basically
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Speaker 3: saying he'll be there at the end, the numbers will
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Speaker 3: be there, and that's probably true. But at the same time,
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Speaker 3: it has been, without question, a difficult transition. And one
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Speaker 3: thing I brought up in the article that actually someone
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Speaker 3: pointed out to me and then I checked into his
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Speaker 3: attack angle, which is a statcast stat it's the flattest
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Speaker 3: swing in Major League Baseball, and it has resulted in
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Speaker 3: him hitting more ground balls than he ever has in
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Speaker 3: his career, not getting the ball enough in the air.
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Speaker 3: Maybe there's a mechanical adjustment that needs to happen, or
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Speaker 3: maybe he just has to have a few good nights,
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Speaker 3: get his confidence back and start being bobaschet again. I
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Speaker 3: expect that to happen, him to be Bobashette again. It's
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Speaker 3: just been so far, at least a rocky road.
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Speaker 6: One of the things you wrote in the article was
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Speaker 6: about how, yes, he switched positions, Yes, new York, yes,
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Speaker 6: pressure of contract, new team, all that stuff. But he
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Speaker 6: switched positions and then he went back to shortstop when
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Speaker 6: Ronnie Maurisio went down and Lindor went down. But he
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Speaker 6: was very honest, and even Marcus Simeon brought it up too,
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Speaker 6: that it's hard, it's a more demanding position and could
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Speaker 6: affect his hitting. But then Bo said, ah, maybe that
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Speaker 6: doesn't affect my hitting. I've been doing it my entire career.
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Speaker 6: Do you feel like he was being honest about that?
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Speaker 6: Do you feel like it was something that was just
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Speaker 6: added to it and then it said okay, yeah, I
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Speaker 6: guess it's not really affecting because this is where I'm
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Speaker 6: more comfortable.
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Speaker 3: I would say everything combined has affected him. Now. What
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Speaker 3: that question was specifically, was okay going back to shortstop.
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Speaker 3: Marcus Simeon said, frankly, it's harder to hit as a shortstop,
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Speaker 3: and bo that's what he said. No, I'm not going
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Speaker 3: to agree with that. There's definitely more demands placed than you.
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Speaker 3: We agreed with Marcus Simeon on that aspect of it,
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Speaker 3: but he said, I have always played shortstop, always hit
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Speaker 3: as a shortstop. That is not the problem here, but
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Speaker 3: the initial having to learn a new position third base,
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Speaker 3: and then having to go back thirty three games, thirty
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Speaker 3: four games into the season, it just adds another element
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Speaker 3: to the degree of difficulty here. And again, this is
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Speaker 3: an extremely talented player, one of the great hitters in
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Speaker 3: the game. But players often have a hard time in
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Speaker 3: these circumstances. And the thing that we can't stress enough
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Speaker 3: and when you guys talk about it and I talk
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Speaker 3: about it, and it's sometimes hard for fans to understand,
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Speaker 3: but the game is so difficult, it's so trying on
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Speaker 3: players mentally, it gets in your head. And I would
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Speaker 3: say that all of this combined has probably had somewhat
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Speaker 3: of a toll On Boba Schett.
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Speaker 5: True Ken, because you've never played, so you don't understand,
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Speaker 5: which is fine.
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Speaker 3: I never played AJ, but I covered it enough to understand,
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Speaker 3: and I respect players enough to understand.
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Speaker 4: Okay, I know I was giving you your props, Ken,
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Speaker 4: I was giving you your breath.
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Speaker 3: I was.
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Speaker 5: I get it.
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Speaker 4: The Braves lost bald Drake Baldwin, kun is coming back.
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Speaker 4: They've already lost Sean Murphy. Is this enough to allow
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Speaker 4: the Phillies back into this race? Because the Braves are
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Speaker 4: kind of running away with it? The Phillies fire their
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Speaker 4: manager and all of a sudden they're like unbeatable. So
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Speaker 4: is this Drake Baldwin injury, along with Sean Murphy enough
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Speaker 4: to possibly open the door just a little bit for
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Speaker 4: Kratz's Phillies to get back in this race.
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Speaker 3: Maybe? But I would still say the Braves are looking
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Speaker 3: really good. And of course it's not just been Drake
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Speaker 3: Baldwin who's been so outstanding for them in the early going.
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Speaker 3: It's been their rotation. It's been Matt Olsen, it's been
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Speaker 3: virtually everyone in that roster, Michael Harris, the second, all
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Speaker 3: these guys. So I don't know that having one position
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Speaker 3: decimated like that, and certainly losing Baldwin and Murphy decimates
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Speaker 3: your position. I don't know that that's going to have
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Speaker 3: that dramatic an effect, except if it really has a
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Speaker 3: difficult effect on the pitching staff. Because the pitching staff,
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Speaker 3: the rotation in particular, and the bullpen in the back end,
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Speaker 3: they've been so strong, So maybe it opens the door
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Speaker 3: a crack. The gap is still pretty sick. And yes,
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Speaker 3: the Phillies are playing great under Don Mattingley. They were
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Speaker 3: going to play great at some point. Their schedule eased
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Speaker 3: up about the moment they fired Rob Thompson. But all
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Speaker 3: the credit too. They've got a lot of good things
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Speaker 3: going right now. Stot the big home run last night.
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Speaker 3: Boom has come out of it, and of course Bryce
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Speaker 3: Harper is performing at an elite level, and Kyle Schwarber
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Speaker 3: is being Kyle Schwarber. And on top of that, they
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Speaker 3: might have the best one to two combination at the
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Speaker 3: top of rotation in the game. And I'm talking about
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Speaker 3: Sanchez and Wheeler. Wheeler is back. He is back to
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Speaker 3: what he was and it's been really cool to see.
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Speaker 6: When you see a turnaround for a pitching staff with health,
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Speaker 6: but also like a Bryce Elder turnaround that he's had
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Speaker 6: back to his all star form that he had two
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Speaker 6: and a half years ago. How much are teams nowadays
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Speaker 6: that just fire coaches at whim And I'm talking about
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Speaker 6: Jeremy Heffner about how he was He was lauded as this,
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Speaker 6: Oh look at what he did for all the p
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Speaker 6: on the Mets staff, and then the Mets rotation went
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Speaker 6: because they brought nobody in. Is there going to be
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Speaker 6: a shift for coaches because of what somebody like a
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Speaker 6: Jeremy Haffner does going to Atlanta and absolutely and basically
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Speaker 6: turning around this entire rotation, not entire rotation, but entire
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Speaker 6: staff because some of the rotation was hurt last year.
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Speaker 6: So that's unfair. But they really have turned into something
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Speaker 6: that's a force.
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Speaker 3: In the East. I never understood why the Mets fired
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Speaker 3: Jeremy Haffner. He was a key part of their success
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Speaker 3: in twenty four. In twenty five, they had a great
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Speaker 3: run through June. Injuries, hit, things happened, okay, but that
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Speaker 3: didn't make him or his pitching coach. Now some of
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Speaker 3: the credit goes to Elder himself. Of course, for his
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Speaker 3: personal transformation with the way he has pitched and the
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Speaker 3: mix that he's employed and the different pitches all that
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Speaker 3: that is a lot of him executing, but it's also
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Speaker 3: so Hefner of course, delivering the right messages and talking
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Speaker 3: strategy with him and all of that. So I always believe,
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Speaker 3: well not always, but usually believe that coaches get too
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Speaker 3: bad or rap when things are going bad, and often
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Speaker 3: don't get enough credit when things are going good. Hefner
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Speaker 3: is a classic example of that. And again that one
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Speaker 3: I understood. The Mets felt changes needed to happen after
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Speaker 3: last year and that collapse. We all understand that. But
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Speaker 3: in my view, and this is a conversation separate from
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Speaker 3: what we're having here, they went too far in a
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Speaker 3: number of ways, and that is part of the reason
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Speaker 3: why they're in this position they're in right now.
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Speaker 6: All right, I mean, all I have to say right
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Speaker 6: now in baseball is the Dodgers Padres matchup. The fact
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Speaker 6: that we have this after rivalry week, it is the
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Speaker 6: new rivalry. Are these teams going to battle each other
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Speaker 6: the rest of the year, going down to the last game,
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Speaker 6: or is it going to be the Dodgers who has
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Speaker 6: just the unbeatable payroll, and it's totally unfair. The game
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Speaker 6: is just totally rigged for the Dodgers.
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Speaker 3: Well, obviously it's not totally rigged for the Dodgers. We're
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Speaker 3: seeing a number of low revenue teams perform quite well
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Speaker 3: this year, but we've harped on that. I won't talk
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Speaker 3: about that just here. But as my friend Joel Sherverer
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Speaker 3: of the New York Post put it the other day,
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Speaker 3: the Dodgers are treating the regular season as they usually do,
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Speaker 3: like an annoying appetizer to the full course meal that
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Speaker 3: will come in October. Now, ask to the question of
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Speaker 3: whether the Padres can overtake them. If you look at
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Speaker 3: run differential, the Dodgers are at plus ninety four right now.
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Speaker 3: The Padres are at plus eight. That would suggest that
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Speaker 3: the underlying strengths of these two teams are not as
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Speaker 3: close as they appear. But what the Padres do in
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Speaker 3: a year in which Manny is not hitting, Jackson, Merril's
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Speaker 3: not hitting Tatisa's not in a home run, and their
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Speaker 3: rotation has been a hodgepodge. It's kind of settling in now,
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Speaker 3: but it's been all over the place. What they do
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Speaker 3: when they get a lead, is they don't lose it.
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Speaker 3: And I had some stats yesterday on fair Territory where
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Speaker 3: there's something like twenty and oho leading after six twenty one,
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Speaker 3: and on all these stats leading after six, seven and eight,
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Speaker 3: they are really good, virtually unbeatable. We saw it again
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Speaker 3: last night, Jason Adam Mason Miller in the late inning
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Speaker 3: shut the door. So that is the Padres superpower their bullpen.
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Speaker 3: And if they get their offense going at a higher level,
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Speaker 3: and I expect that they will, Man, he's gonna hit
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Speaker 3: You would think Jackson Merrill, tatist will hit a home run. Eventually.
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Speaker 3: They're going to be a handful. And if Giolito can
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Speaker 3: settle in here and Walker Buller be a number five
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Speaker 3: that he seems to be comfortable with at this point,
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Speaker 3: then you might have something there. Even with the loss
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Speaker 3: of Pavetta, even without Darvish and Musgrove, so far, it's
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Speaker 3: been really impressive.
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Speaker 5: Believe that. Do you really believe that the padrest You
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Speaker 5: really do?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, I don't think we've seen the best version
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Speaker 3: of the Padres yet, and yet they're here now. The Dodgers,
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Speaker 3: if they're healthy, Yeah, of course they're an incredible team,
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Speaker 3: but they're not healthy. Smells down, glass, nails down, and
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Speaker 3: here we go every year with the Dodgers. So I
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Speaker 3: don't know, but yeah, I believe that Padres can stay
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Speaker 3: with them.
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Speaker 5: Ken.
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Speaker 4: Sorry, one more on the Dodgers before we go to
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Speaker 4: cold Emerson in the password. I'm not even to try
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Speaker 4: and say his name because I will butcher it worse
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Speaker 4: than anything. But the Edwin dis situation. Is this a
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Speaker 4: real thing? Because I know it's a federally a federal
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Speaker 4: law against banning this, but locally apparently it's not banned
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Speaker 4: and they're fighting it and they keep it in towns
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Speaker 4: and all this thing, and it's a part of their culture.
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Speaker 4: Is this something that Dodger fans should be worried about?
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Speaker 3: I understand is no. And I actually made a call
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Speaker 3: on this this morning, Aja, And it's a tricky spot
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Speaker 3: for Major League Baseball in certain respects. Yes, cockfighting is illegal,
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Speaker 3: and it's even illegal in Puerto Rico, but in Puerto
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Speaker 3: Rico it still goes on and it's part of their
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Speaker 3: culture there. Whether we can judge that or not. Negatively,
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Speaker 3: that we can, of course, but that's the reality of it.
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Speaker 3: So for MLB to go in there and say well,
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Speaker 3: we're going to investigate this, and guys who are doing this,
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Speaker 3: you can't do it. It's kind of a slippery slope.
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Speaker 3: It's a difficult one because they would effectively be imposing
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Speaker 3: their will on a culture that, obviously, for better or worse,
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Speaker 3: and I would say worse values this part of life
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Speaker 3: in Puerto Rico. So I don't expect anything to happen.
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Speaker 3: And this is apparently something that's been known for years
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Speaker 3: that ed when Diaz has been involved with, and I'm
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Speaker 3: sure other players are involved with as well. So I
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Speaker 3: don't expect any action to take place with this at all.
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Speaker 4: Okay, that's good, that's good. We can put this to
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Speaker 4: bed then, thank you. Ken Rosenthal said that we can
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Speaker 4: put it to bed. Now onto the prospects. Cold Emerson
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Speaker 4: gets called up by the Mariners. The password gets called
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Speaker 4: up for the Pirates. Obviously, the expectations are higher for
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Speaker 4: the Colt Emerson in Seattle hit his first home run
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Speaker 4: last night, got his first hit. Is this another aj
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Speaker 4: ewing where they're trying to inject energy into their offense
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Speaker 4: because their offense has been struggling. No, cal Rawley and
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Speaker 4: then as far as the password in Pittsburgh. He's just
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Speaker 4: more of a placeholder right until O'Hearn comes back.
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Speaker 3: Well with Emerson AJ he wouldn't have come up if
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Speaker 3: Brendan Donovan hadn't gotten hurt. Now, I would have expected
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Speaker 3: him to come up at some point this year after
15:43
Speaker 3: signing the eight year, ninety five million dollar extension. But
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Speaker 3: it wasn't as if let's do the aj Ewing Carson
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Speaker 3: bench thing and get some energy into this offense. It
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Speaker 3: was Donovan was hurt, the spot was there, let's go
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Speaker 3: and cold. Emerson, of course, is one of the highest
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Speaker 3: regards prospects in the game, former first round pick. He's
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Speaker 3: a guy that they expect to succeed. That's why they
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Speaker 3: gave him the money. That's why they anticipate playing him
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Speaker 3: at shortstop next year. The password is a little bit different.
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Speaker 3: He had been hurt, then he got hot at Triple A.
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Speaker 3: When he came back really hot. I believe he had
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Speaker 3: a three homer game last weekend. So yeah, with O'Hearn
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Speaker 3: going down, he's kind of the obvious choice, and they
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Speaker 3: can give him some runway here. But I don't know
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Speaker 3: that any team has done what the Mets are trying
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Speaker 3: to do in terms of the way they're going about it.
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Speaker 3: The Mets are clearly trying to inject energy with these
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Speaker 3: younger outfielders, and they're just bringing up another one today,
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Speaker 3: Nick Morbido. That is something that they feel will help
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Speaker 3: their team, whereas the other teams are acting more out
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Speaker 3: of need, and the Mets, it's not that they don't
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Speaker 3: have a need or didn't have a need for those players,
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Speaker 3: but it's more of a natural progression with the Pirates
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Speaker 3: and the Mariners here where injuries create the openings.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're going to talk more about all of
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Speaker 2: those prospects and the call ups later in the show.
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Speaker 2: We'll do a whole segment on it. Ken good stuff,
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Speaker 2: Thank you, catchu later this week.
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Speaker 3: Thanks guys.
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Speaker 1: Cody, good to see you.
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Speaker 1: Why are you showing me the clock?
18:46
Speaker 5: Aj, It's time.
18:50
Speaker 4: It's time to start panicking because the white Tucks are
18:53
Speaker 4: coming and the tigers as they are are falling.
18:56
Speaker 2: But Scoogle should come back sooner, and I do want
18:59
Speaker 2: to start here with the glass have full scenario because
19:01
Speaker 2: I'm also just curious about the nanoscope. Now we see
19:03
Speaker 2: Blake Snell going with the same thing, and the quotes
19:05
Speaker 2: from school were pretty cool.
19:07
Speaker 1: Cody, you can get into it. We'll finally let you talk.
19:09
Speaker 1: But it sounds like Scoogle was like, cool, I.
19:13
Speaker 2: Have a quicker recovery, and you guys say it's fine.
19:16
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah.
19:18
Speaker 7: It's really been fascinating to learn more about Arthur's scopic procedures,
19:22
Speaker 7: and specifically the nano needle, which is this new smaller
19:26
Speaker 7: Arthur's scope. It's significantly smaller. I talked to Arthur X,
19:30
Speaker 7: the company that manufactures it, and they just showed me
19:33
Speaker 7: the difference. You have this big scope and you have
19:35
Speaker 7: a smaller scope with a one point nine millimeter diameter,
19:40
Speaker 7: And when it's like which one would you rather want
19:42
Speaker 7: going into your joint visually, it's pretty easy to see
19:45
Speaker 7: the smaller one and be like, okay, I'll take that. Now.
19:48
Speaker 7: This is a newer instrument. It had never been before
19:52
Speaker 7: used that we know of, an MLB pitcher, but Neil Lichtrash.
19:55
Speaker 7: He's one of the best surgeons in the world. He
19:57
Speaker 7: felt Scoobl's case, given the SI, the location, the fact
20:01
Speaker 7: he only had one loose body, was kind of the
20:03
Speaker 7: perfect place to try it out. It's been used for
20:06
Speaker 7: years on other patients, knee procedures, shoulder procedures, so there's
20:10
Speaker 7: data that shows, hey, this works.
20:12
Speaker 1: This is cool.
20:13
Speaker 7: It's not an experimental thing. It just hadn't been used
20:16
Speaker 7: on elite athletes before, and it seems like that's changing.
20:20
Speaker 7: Because what this means you go in with a smaller scope.
20:23
Speaker 7: It causes a lot less inflammation. You're not damaging the
20:26
Speaker 7: tissue that you're moving around searching for this loose body
20:29
Speaker 7: to pull out of a picture's joint. So what that
20:34
Speaker 7: means is you wake up, you have a lot less swelling,
20:36
Speaker 7: you have a lot less inflammation, less scarring, all that stuff,
20:39
Speaker 7: and as a result of that, in theory, you're able
20:42
Speaker 7: to throw far sooner than you would if you undergo
20:45
Speaker 7: a traditional arthroscopic procedure. That was certainly the case with
20:48
Speaker 7: Sarah Scuogle. He started throwing within three or four days.
20:52
Speaker 7: At the time, I was like, okay, this is encouraging.
20:55
Speaker 7: There's still a big difference between playing light catch and
20:58
Speaker 7: pitching like the best in the world. Well, here Trek
21:01
Speaker 7: Scuoble comes yesterday. He's back in Camerica Park. He's warming
21:05
Speaker 7: up from one hundred and twenty plus feet. He's firing
21:08
Speaker 7: that thing in there. Weather pushed his bullpen inside, so
21:11
Speaker 7: I didn't get to watch it. But he threw what
21:13
Speaker 7: he reported to be a full bullpen, used all his pitches.
21:16
Speaker 7: This guy had surgery twelve days ago, so it is
21:19
Speaker 7: pretty remarkable. And yet now Blake Snell is also going
21:23
Speaker 7: to undergo a similar surgery with the nanoeedle. If the
21:27
Speaker 7: recovery continues to go well for Schooble, if it goes
21:29
Speaker 7: well with Snell, we might just see this tool being
21:32
Speaker 7: used way more often.
21:35
Speaker 4: Cody can Trek Schoobile saved the season for the Tigers.
21:39
Speaker 4: I know it's been a rough go for him. I
21:42
Speaker 4: mean they are not playing well. Then forget pitching, hitting, anything, bullpen,
21:46
Speaker 4: you name it. It hasn't gone well for him. Can
21:48
Speaker 4: Tarek School will be the burst of energy that they
21:50
Speaker 4: need to get them back in this race.
21:53
Speaker 7: Yeah, we'll see. I think that's kind of the big question.
21:56
Speaker 7: When Schooble first went on the il and when the
21:58
Speaker 7: Tigers had all these other pile up, the way I
22:01
Speaker 7: looked at it was okay, can they stay afloat? Can
22:04
Speaker 7: they do enough to stay within striking distance, whether that's
22:07
Speaker 7: in the division or the wild card until they get
22:10
Speaker 7: more of their full team back. And so far the
22:13
Speaker 7: Tigers have not stayed afloat at all. They've lost eleven
22:16
Speaker 7: of thirteen. It's been pretty brutal. Now, yeah, they play
22:20
Speaker 7: in the ALE Central. They're now six and a half
22:22
Speaker 7: games behind the Guardians. That's not nothing, but the American
22:25
Speaker 7: League is really weak. In the age of the expanded playoff,
22:28
Speaker 7: it's hard to ever fall totally out of it. This
22:30
Speaker 7: start of the Tiger season has been a disaster. Everything
22:33
Speaker 7: that's gone wrong could have gone wrong, has gone wrong,
22:36
Speaker 7: and they's somehow only two and a half games out
22:39
Speaker 7: of a wild card spot. Schoogle, we don't know for
22:42
Speaker 7: sure when he's gonna be back. He's got to throw
22:44
Speaker 7: some more bullpins. You would think he'll probably have multiple
22:47
Speaker 7: rehab outings. So I don't even want to put a
22:50
Speaker 7: guess other than at some point, certainly before the All
22:52
Speaker 7: Star break, he would think. But the Tigers can't be
22:56
Speaker 7: eight games out of a playoff spot. By the time
22:58
Speaker 7: he comes back, it could be too late. They have
23:00
Speaker 7: to start playing better somehow than they're playing right now.
23:04
Speaker 6: Cody, this is not just forty games. And we talked
23:07
Speaker 6: about it last year. We talked about it last time.
23:09
Speaker 6: You were on about how this is extended back to
23:12
Speaker 6: and I forget the exact date that you brought up,
23:15
Speaker 6: but the end of last year. Is there a way
23:18
Speaker 6: for them to pull out of this in the sense
23:22
Speaker 6: of a malaise, in the sense that they brought in
23:24
Speaker 6: framber Valdez to kind of be that second Trek Scooble
23:29
Speaker 6: in this rotation. Jack Flaherty is not saying he's getting cut,
23:34
Speaker 6: but I'm saying there's less and less innings that they
23:36
Speaker 6: had more depth. But is there a way that they
23:38
Speaker 6: get out of this? And I guess I'm specifically speaking
23:42
Speaker 6: to the offense and what they're not bringing to the
23:46
Speaker 6: park night in and night out.
23:48
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, I wrote this down for you, Kratzy. Since
23:51
Speaker 7: July ninth of last year, the Tigers are forty eight
23:54
Speaker 7: and sixty eight. Before that, they had played out of
23:57
Speaker 7: their minds dating back to the tail end of twenty
23:59
Speaker 7: twenty four they had a ninety and forty seven run
24:02
Speaker 7: They had one of the best, I think the best
24:03
Speaker 7: record in baseball from All Star Break to All Star
24:06
Speaker 7: Break and around the time of last year's All Star break,
24:08
Speaker 7: it's cratered. Yeah, you can point to the injuries. They
24:11
Speaker 7: haven't really had their full team this year. There's some
24:15
Speaker 7: hope for the pitching. Casey Mize's back, Troy Melton a
24:18
Speaker 7: really good young arm, maybe back soon. Justin Ferrylanders working
24:22
Speaker 7: his way back. They're already getting some bullpen guys like
24:24
Speaker 7: Will Vest healthy. But you're right, I think the offense,
24:27
Speaker 7: to me, has become the bigger concern. Entering yesterday's game
24:32
Speaker 7: thirtieth and slugging percentage for the month of May twenty
24:34
Speaker 7: ninth in ops. Yeah, they're missing Labor Touarez, they're missing
24:38
Speaker 7: Kerry Carpenter. But they have some guys who are supposed
24:40
Speaker 7: to be really important members of this team who've done
24:43
Speaker 7: next to nothing all this year. Spencer Toorkilsen had a
24:46
Speaker 7: nice little home run streak. He's hitting below two hundred.
24:49
Speaker 7: Zach McKinstry was an All Star last year. He's hitting
24:51
Speaker 7: below two hundred. Matt verling holmered yesterday the Tigers were
24:55
Speaker 7: excited about getting him back healthy. Hasn't given them a lot.
24:58
Speaker 7: There are more Jake Rodgers, the backup catcher not hitting.
25:02
Speaker 7: I'm forgetting some of the other names because it's a
25:05
Speaker 7: long list of players who aren't performing. That Tiger's had
25:09
Speaker 7: production from Riley Green, Kerry Carpenter, Dylan Dingler. That's been
25:13
Speaker 7: about it, and that's just not been good enough. And
25:16
Speaker 7: now we're forty eight games into this thing. You can
25:19
Speaker 7: look back on last year it is like, Okay, at
25:21
Speaker 7: what point do you turn this around?
25:23
Speaker 1: A J.
25:23
Speaker 7: Hinch last night said if we're just now getting frustrated,
25:26
Speaker 7: it's too late, and that that I think it's pretty
25:29
Speaker 7: telling in itself.
25:31
Speaker 3: Is there a magic bullet?
25:35
Speaker 6: Is there something that the Tigers now they're not going
25:38
Speaker 6: to fire your magic bullet because Terror Scoopbl's not back yet.
25:41
Speaker 6: When he comes back, that's when you have your meeting.
25:43
Speaker 6: Come on, guys, we gotta turn this thing around. Oh,
25:46
Speaker 6: Tarres Scoobl's pitching tomorrow. See that's a coincidence. But is
25:49
Speaker 6: that because you see the teams like the Mets, we're
25:52
Speaker 6: also struggling. They called up young guys. The Mariner's struggling
25:57
Speaker 6: they called up cold Emerson. Is there a magic B?
26:00
Speaker 6: Is it? Max Clark?
26:02
Speaker 7: Is it?
26:02
Speaker 6: You know? How where do the Tigers sit as far
26:05
Speaker 6: as Tiger's fans saying, We're just gonna look at the
26:07
Speaker 6: same exact team since July ninth and move forward with it.
26:12
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that is one of the harder questions
26:15
Speaker 7: to answer at this point, right because at some point,
26:18
Speaker 7: all those guys I just listed off others who have
26:21
Speaker 7: filled in for injuries act sure how you lead, like
26:23
Speaker 7: the production just hasn't been good enough. But I don't know,
26:28
Speaker 7: like you call up someone else from Triple A who's
26:31
Speaker 7: probably not ready for the major leagues? That does that
26:33
Speaker 7: get you anywhere? They're certainly fans who'd love to see
26:37
Speaker 7: Max Clark. I don't know. Max Clark has one home
26:39
Speaker 7: run right now in Triple A. Like he is still developing,
26:42
Speaker 7: he's been going through a rough stretch. I'm not sure
26:44
Speaker 7: he comes up and solves all your problems and you
26:47
Speaker 7: can swap some of these guys who are struggling for
26:49
Speaker 7: another fringe prospect or for a type veteran. Does that
26:54
Speaker 7: help your team? I'm not sure it does. At the
26:56
Speaker 7: same time, Yeah, like some of these guys have to
26:59
Speaker 7: get going, or maybe you make a change just just
27:01
Speaker 7: for the sake of making a change. They're in a
27:03
Speaker 7: tough position. I don't know that there's any great answer
27:07
Speaker 7: other than play better. Some of these guys with track
27:09
Speaker 7: records have to start producing. We've seen it before, given
27:13
Speaker 7: the wild ups and downs and the Tigers right from
27:16
Speaker 7: ninety and forty seven to forty eight and sixty eight.
27:20
Speaker 7: Hope isn't a great strategy. But I don't know what
27:22
Speaker 7: you do other than sit here and hope your luck
27:24
Speaker 7: turns around a little bit and you get your team
27:26
Speaker 7: healthy and you start playing real baseball in the second half.
27:30
Speaker 4: Cody, what do they do about Framber? Like yesterday? Right
27:34
Speaker 4: for example? Like that's a game Fromber needs to go
27:37
Speaker 4: out and dominate and they kind of got smacked. What's
27:41
Speaker 4: the deal with him? And I'll throw Flarity in there
27:44
Speaker 4: for the same thing. Like Jack Flaherty is a guy
27:48
Speaker 4: who's had success in the past as a veteran guy,
27:50
Speaker 4: and he hasn't gone off to a great start at all.
27:52
Speaker 4: So they need these guys, Yes, Scoobles out, But they
27:54
Speaker 4: have veteran guys on this staff. It's time for them
27:57
Speaker 4: to step up right.
27:59
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know that from Rival Does is at
28:01
Speaker 7: the top of my list of concerns. I mean, giving
28:03
Speaker 7: how much money he's making that I understand why that's
28:05
Speaker 7: a talking point. He's had some really good outings. Now
28:08
Speaker 7: he's had a couple of blow ups too that have
28:10
Speaker 7: really marred as Era. And we saw the you know,
28:13
Speaker 7: the hit by pitch to Trevor's story and the suspension
28:16
Speaker 7: fromber came back after that outing, and I was a
28:18
Speaker 7: little worried, like, how was his demeanor going to be?
28:20
Speaker 7: And he was really good yesterday. He wasn't great, but
28:23
Speaker 7: he somewhat kept them in the game. The offense gave
28:26
Speaker 7: him nothing, gave him no run support from Rival Does
28:29
Speaker 7: has had some terrific outings. You'd like to see him,
28:31
Speaker 7: you know, see that be every time out, But I
28:33
Speaker 7: think you just look, you see the four or five
28:35
Speaker 7: eight ra it's really a result of two just horrendous
28:39
Speaker 7: outings where he gave up what an eight spot and
28:42
Speaker 7: nine spot. So I don't know that that's at the
28:44
Speaker 7: top of my listening concerns. Jack Flaherty pretty high on
28:47
Speaker 7: my list of concerns because this is a guy we've
28:48
Speaker 7: seen him, we've seen this guy have a really high
28:52
Speaker 7: levels of success in the major leagues. He just hasn't
28:54
Speaker 7: been that same guy really dating the last season, certainly
28:57
Speaker 7: not with any level of consistency, and more often than not,
29:01
Speaker 7: he's put his team in the hole in the first
29:03
Speaker 7: couple innings, or if he looks good in the first
29:04
Speaker 7: couple of innings, the stuff starts to decline as he
29:07
Speaker 7: goes two or three times through the order. Clearly it's
29:10
Speaker 7: been a struggle for him. Mentally, I feel bad for
29:13
Speaker 7: the guy because he's trying and he's searching for solutions,
29:16
Speaker 7: but it hasn't happened. And this is a guy making
29:18
Speaker 7: twenty million dollars himself. At the start of you go
29:21
Speaker 7: back to spring training, there's a thought like did the
29:23
Speaker 7: Tigers have the best rotation in the al And part
29:25
Speaker 7: of that was based on not just Scoobale, not just
29:28
Speaker 7: from her, but like how good can Flarerity be? How
29:30
Speaker 7: good can Casey Mies be? So far, Casey mis has
29:32
Speaker 7: been really good when healthy. Jack Flaherty has been really
29:36
Speaker 7: bad when healthy, and given the money he's making, I'm
29:38
Speaker 7: not sure they can easily move on from him or
29:41
Speaker 7: anything like that. So so Flarity in particular a tough spot.
29:45
Speaker 7: He's got to find a way to be better if
29:46
Speaker 7: this rotation is gonna stay intact, if you can ease
29:49
Speaker 7: the concern on a bullpen which has carried a pretty
29:51
Speaker 7: heavy load so far this season, Their sources are worry,
29:55
Speaker 7: no doubt.
29:56
Speaker 6: I mean, nobody has to play anybody different. But the
30:00
Speaker 6: Tigers are in the American League, and this is more
30:02
Speaker 6: of a broader question. They're two and a half out
30:05
Speaker 6: of the wildcard. It's way too early to even think
30:07
Speaker 6: about the wildcard, but the fact that they're playing this poorly,
30:10
Speaker 6: and you mentioned before they're six or six and a
30:12
Speaker 6: half behind the Guardians for the division. Have you seen
30:16
Speaker 6: a very beleaguered American League this year? And I'm not
30:20
Speaker 6: one hundred percent sure how many National League teams they've
30:23
Speaker 6: played or anything like that, But the teams that you
30:26
Speaker 6: see coming in, are you saying, ooh, the Tigers could
30:30
Speaker 6: could kind of keep up with this team, And then
30:31
Speaker 6: the end of the series they lose two of three
30:34
Speaker 6: because the teams that are coming in are not really
30:36
Speaker 6: that great.
30:39
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean the Blue Jays were just in towent
30:41
Speaker 7: a team that almost won the World Series last year,
30:43
Speaker 7: and they've had as similar trajectory as the Tigers, pretty injured.
30:47
Speaker 7: Just they haven't gotten things going. Lad he hasn't gotten going,
30:51
Speaker 7: And I don't know. The Blue Jays took two or
30:53
Speaker 7: three from the Tigers the Saturday and Sunday games. Tigers
30:56
Speaker 7: struck out fourteen times in one of those games, hit
31:00
Speaker 7: seemingly nothing but ground balls and weak pop ups. The
31:02
Speaker 7: second game. The Tigers made the Blue Jays look pretty
31:05
Speaker 7: good this weekend. But you're right, some of these teams
31:07
Speaker 7: have come to town and you're not You're not really
31:10
Speaker 7: fearing any of these teams. And that's that's worth noting. Like,
31:13
Speaker 7: given how bad the entire al has started, we're probably
31:17
Speaker 7: in for for some roller coaster rides as the summer
31:20
Speaker 7: goes along, as we get into the second half, because
31:23
Speaker 7: surely somebody has to start playing better, right And I
31:26
Speaker 7: don't know exactly who that's gonna be. Maybe ends up
31:28
Speaker 7: being the Tigers. But it has been a weird first
31:32
Speaker 7: forty five forty eight games in the American League, no
31:34
Speaker 7: doubt about that.
31:37
Speaker 3: Yeah.
31:37
Speaker 2: I mean, for all of the teams that we're talking
31:40
Speaker 2: about as massive disappointments, you then look up and you
31:45
Speaker 2: look at the standings and you're like, they're one good
31:47
Speaker 2: week away from everything changing. That's how crazy the AL
31:51
Speaker 2: is these days. At the NL is destroying the American
31:55
Speaker 2: League right, both in the way that the teams look
31:57
Speaker 2: and then the inner league action too is off the charts.
32:02
Speaker 7: Yeah, it helps when everyone's off to a terrible start, right, Yes,
32:06
Speaker 7: that's one way to feel a little bit better about yourself.
32:09
Speaker 7: Maybe they're all just terrible. Well, there's that too. There's
32:12
Speaker 7: that too. I think the West is fast having I think,
32:17
Speaker 7: you know, the Rangers got to have something in there.
32:19
Speaker 7: The Mariners have drastically underperformed. I don't know about the Astros,
32:24
Speaker 7: but like I look at the AL West and I
32:26
Speaker 7: wouldn't be surprised if at least one of those teams
32:28
Speaker 7: pops as as this year goes on.
32:30
Speaker 1: There aren't as many bad teams too.
32:32
Speaker 2: I mean, unless you're calling everybody bad, but you can't
32:34
Speaker 2: do that, right, These are the best.
32:35
Speaker 1: Players in the world. They're not all bad.
32:37
Speaker 2: So in the American League, even though it's not as
32:39
Speaker 2: good as the National League, Cody, we just have a
32:41
Speaker 2: lot of teams that are just okay, and we don't
32:44
Speaker 2: have many terrible teams.
32:46
Speaker 1: Right when you look around in the American League.
32:48
Speaker 2: Again, keep in mind that there are teams that are
32:50
Speaker 2: off to disting, point pointing starts. But you said the
32:53
Speaker 2: Ale West is interesting. I think the Angels look terrible.
32:57
Speaker 2: Does anyone else in that division look terrible?
32:59
Speaker 3: Like?
32:59
Speaker 2: The Ring look like they have some good components to them,
33:03
Speaker 2: Same with the A's, same with the Uh, Well, it's.
33:08
Speaker 7: Pretty terrible at times.
33:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have looked terrible on the pitching front, but
33:13
Speaker 2: that's my point. I mean, any of these teams are
33:15
Speaker 2: just a little bit of a winning streak away from recovering.
33:18
Speaker 2: And I know the Mariners have been off to a
33:19
Speaker 2: slow start, but they're certainly not terrible either.
33:22
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean the White Socks are above five hundred.
33:25
Speaker 7: I don't know exactly what that that tells you. I
33:27
Speaker 7: mean I saw science in the second half last year
33:29
Speaker 7: that they were playing a way better, better brand of baseball.
33:31
Speaker 7: I think Will Vinible has done a great job there.
33:34
Speaker 7: But it is like, were they just above five hundred
33:37
Speaker 7: because everyone else is just okay. I still would have
33:39
Speaker 7: expected the White Sox to be in the cellar, but
33:43
Speaker 7: I don't know. They've done some nice things. I'm not
33:45
Speaker 7: sure it's for real, Like they're better, better, they are better.
33:49
Speaker 5: They're better than the Tigers. That's what it tells me.
33:53
Speaker 7: Hey, finish the twins.
33:57
Speaker 1: When you tank for five years, that's what happens.
33:59
Speaker 6: You know what answer answer Cody's question?
34:02
Speaker 5: He just said, what was the question?
34:04
Speaker 7: White Sox finished the year with a better record than
34:07
Speaker 7: Detroit Tigers.
34:08
Speaker 5: Wait, I couldn't hear you.
34:09
Speaker 7: Wait, White Sox or Tigers? Who finishes with more wins? Wait?
34:13
Speaker 5: What White talk? Would you say about the Wait?
34:17
Speaker 7: I guess you don't want to answer the question.
34:19
Speaker 1: I don't know.
34:21
Speaker 5: I'll take the White Sox right now. I'll take the
34:23
Speaker 5: White Sox.
34:25
Speaker 2: Not every I mean not every division could be like
34:27
Speaker 2: the National League Central, where there's no teams below the
34:30
Speaker 2: five hundred marks still and we're a quarter into the season.
34:32
Speaker 1: Go ahead, krat you got last licks you talk about?
34:35
Speaker 6: Casey Mice came back, had a good outing. How hard
34:39
Speaker 6: do they lean on him when guys like Flaherty aren't
34:44
Speaker 6: aren't pitching well, or even like Kyder Montero's going out
34:49
Speaker 6: there giving them spotty starts here and there with an
34:51
Speaker 6: injury history that Casey Mice has, and he had the
34:54
Speaker 6: all starts season last year and he's already been hurt
34:56
Speaker 6: once this year. Do you feel like they are going
35:00
Speaker 6: to treat him or need to treat him differently if
35:03
Speaker 6: they want to have him healthy for the playoffs or
35:05
Speaker 6: have they dub themselves such a hole that it's like, look,
35:09
Speaker 6: we gotta we got to get what we get out
35:11
Speaker 6: of you, and we hope it's we hope you stay together.
35:15
Speaker 7: Yeah, so far it seems like they're they're trying to
35:18
Speaker 7: stay the course. Myz just came off the IL and
35:21
Speaker 7: he was pretty dominant through six innings, but AJ Hinch
35:23
Speaker 7: pulled him when of his pitch count was still in
35:25
Speaker 7: the seventies. Asked Aj about that afterward, and he, you know,
35:28
Speaker 7: he explained the IL thing. You're trying to ease him
35:30
Speaker 7: back in, but also the long run. The Tigers certainly
35:33
Speaker 7: still have aspirations of playing in September and October and
35:37
Speaker 7: again two and a half games out of the wild Card,
35:39
Speaker 7: they are not out of anything at all. But you
35:43
Speaker 7: would certainly like to see Myz log a lot of
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Speaker 7: innings for you. I don't know, I mean, they're not
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Speaker 7: going to have him go throw one hundred and twenty pitches.
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Speaker 7: They don't do that with everybody, but sure there's there's
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Speaker 7: definitely like an odd and almost unfair sense of pressure
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Speaker 7: on Miz to carry the load while scoobles out while
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Speaker 7: some other guys are either injured or struggling. So I
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Speaker 7: think he's a very important player for this team going forward,
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Speaker 7: but I don't think they will use him any differently
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Speaker 7: than they would under normal circumstances.
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Speaker 1: Cody, thank you for the info.
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Speaker 2: As always, always love reading what you're putting together in
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Speaker 2: the Athletic and listening to Tiger Territory for updates. I'm
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Speaker 2: fascinated about the Schooble nanoscope experience, so keep it up. Man,
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Speaker 2: good catching up. Talk to you soon, all right, Thanks guys,
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