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Ep. 192 - A Biblical View on Femininity · The Living Waters Podcast

• 1:04
  Emeal Zwayne: There's nothing wrong with distinction.
• 1:08
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean the world looks at distinction like it's bad.
• 1:12
  Emeal Zwayne: We all have to be the same, or that the whole egalitarian perspective on no, no, no, men and women have equal roles or similar roles.
• 1:23
  Emeal Zwayne: But distinction is beautiful.
• 1:25
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean there's a reason why we're attracted to our wives because they're different than us.
• 1:30
  Ray Comfort: Yeah.
• 1:30
  Ray Comfort: I should have predicted that, no, no no, I love Proverbs 31, where it speaks of a woman of virtue and she's got a leadership role.
• 1:41
  Ray Comfort: When you read it, she's a wisdom, strength and virtue.
• 1:45
  Ray Comfort: It's often seen as a model of femininity in scripture, which it is, emphasizing qualities like hard work, care for a family and wise decision-making.
• 1:54
  Ray Comfort: That's why I love having a help.
• 1:56
  Ray Comfort: My wife is my helpmate.
• 1:58
  Ray Comfort: She brings perspectives to me that I hadn't thought of often She'll just gently say that stupid.
• 2:06
  Oscar Navarro: And it doesn't hurt, you know, because she's my helpmate.
• 2:10
  Ray Comfort: But yeah, like you're saying, oscar women were a good idea.
• 2:18
  Emeal Zwayne: Someone you just met invites you over for dinner and serves you something with your absolute most dreaded food item integrated into the main course.
• 2:30
  Emeal Zwayne: What do you do?
• 2:32
  Emeal Zwayne: So I get served onion soup.
• 2:34
  Emeal Zwayne: Ooh, ray, you it's like French onion soup.
• 2:37
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I love French onion, ray.
• 2:39
  Emeal Zwayne: You get served a cilantro souffle, mark.
• 2:44
  Emeal Zwayne: You get served pasty peas casserole I would overturn the table.
• 2:48
  Emeal Zwayne: And, oscar, you get served human food.
• 2:50
  Emeal Zwayne: No, I'm not.
• 2:55
  Emeal Zwayne: What do you do?
• 2:57
  Emeal Zwayne: What do you do, mark?
• 2:59
  Mark Spence: It depends on the person.
• 3:00
  Emeal Zwayne: If you're Someone you just met.
• 3:03
  Mark Spence: I would throw it against the wall.
• 3:06
  Emeal Zwayne: An unbeliever you're trying to reach with the gospel.
• 3:08
  Mark Spence: My name Iver.
• 3:09
  Mark Spence: Do all things for the glory of God.
• 3:12
  Mark Spence: I would try to do my best to avoid the peas.
• 3:17
  Emeal Zwayne: I would throw no, no, no, integrated into it, I would throw up.
• 3:21
  Mark Spence: I can't eat it.
• 3:22
  Mark Spence: I would throw up.
• 3:23
  Emeal Zwayne: Mark, you really hate peas that much I would throw up.
• 3:24
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, then sympathize with me.
• 3:26
  Mark Spence: Like green peas, Like green peas, chick peas, what no?
• 3:29
  Mark Spence: Like those cooked Ugh.
• 3:33
  Ray Comfort: The regular green peas right, you can't even say peas.
• 3:37
  Emeal Zwayne: Peas Mark just got visibly sick.
• 3:40
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, Ray I can't understand anything about anything.
• 3:43
  Emeal Zwayne: Cilantro Don't even say cilantro, Cilantro souffle.
• 3:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh yuck.
• 3:48
  Ray Comfort: I checked out on the internet and there are certain people that find cilantro absolutely repulsive, like soap.
• 3:52
  Mark Spence: It's quite common.
• 3:54
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, I'd rather eat a bar of soap than I would cilantro.
• 3:57
  Oscar Navarro: There's people that believe that it tastes like soap.
• 3:58
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, it's like a genetic thing.
• 4:01
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, it really is.
• 4:01
  Ray Comfort: I thought I'd eaten a dead cockroach when I first tried it, but I'm serious.
• 4:06
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, let me put it this way Whenever I have tacos, if there's no cilantro, I get depressed, and that happened at the last event, mark, you had with a taco person.
• 4:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, I'm sorry Well no, let me take it back.
• 4:17
  Emeal Zwayne: They had cilantro mixed with onions.
• 4:19
  Ray Comfort: You had to keep saying that word Take it back Mixed with onions.
• 4:22
  Emeal Zwayne: Mark.
• 4:25
  Ray Comfort: Now you're talking about more onions.
• 4:27
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, again, there's always a caveat.
• 4:29
  Emeal Zwayne: The only thing I can eat raw onions in is in tabooly, and I think the parsley and the lemon it all counteracts it.
• 4:36
  Emeal Zwayne: What say?
• 4:36
  Emeal Zwayne: There's a sheep fur in the tabooly?
• 4:38
  Oscar Navarro: Ah, Stop it Ray so I actually have something that absolutely disgusts me, that I cannot get down to save my life.
• 4:48
  Mark Spence: Coffee with cream it is Apple sauce.
• 4:51
  Ray Comfort: Really.
• 4:51
  Mark Spence: Yeah, so here's the thing.
• 4:53
  Oscar Navarro: I thought that I just kind of didn't like apple sauce and we were at like a family retreat with an old church of ours and we were doing minute-to-winnit games, and so I got pulled to do this minute-to-winnit game where I have to get blindfolded no, I'm sorry, kelly is blindfolded and she has to feed me apple sauce and the first one to finish the apple sauce wins.
• 5:11
  Oscar Navarro: Now, you know, I'm a pretty competitive guy.
• 5:13
  Oscar Navarro: So at that point I sit down and I was like why does it have to be apple sauce?
• 5:16
  Oscar Navarro: But in my mind I'm like you know what?
• 5:17
  Oscar Navarro: Forget it, I'm just gonna chug this thing down as quickly as I can.
• 5:21
  Oscar Navarro: Sure, I don't like apple sauce, but I'm gonna do it to win the game.
• 5:23
  Oscar Navarro: So I was like I was in man, I was locked in.
• 5:26
  Oscar Navarro: I was like I'm gonna devour this apple sauce and get the W.
• 5:28
  Oscar Navarro: The second that spoon hit my lips with apple sauce, I started gagging, dude, I could not for the whole life of me get apple sauce down.
• 5:38
  Emeal Zwayne: I just can't do it.
• 5:39
  Emeal Zwayne: That's so weird.
• 5:40
  Emeal Zwayne: Can you eat normal apples?
• 5:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Love them.
• 5:42
  Ray Comfort: I had one last night, that is so weird, but I can't do apple sauce.
• 5:44
  Ray Comfort: I think about sort of an apple pulp that's not too runny, it's like just apple.
• 5:48
  Ray Comfort: I don't know what that is.
• 5:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Pork chops and apple sauce.
• 5:51
  Emeal Zwayne: You know I was gonna mock you, oscar, but I can relate in that I love avocados.
• 5:55
  Emeal Zwayne: I detest guacamole.
• 5:57
  Emeal Zwayne: The site of guacamole itself absolutely disgusting.
• 6:02
  Oscar Navarro: Our camera guys discuss it with you right now.
• 6:03
  Oscar Navarro: I just saw it on the space.
• 6:05
  Oscar Navarro: You know, I'm the same way with grape juice.
• 6:07
  Mark Spence: I cannot drink grape juice.
• 6:09
  Mark Spence: How do you do communion?
• 6:10
  Mark Spence: I detest when the cup comes around.
• 6:13
  Mark Spence: What With the grape juice?
• 6:15
  Mark Spence: I can't handle it.
• 6:16
  Mark Spence: My kids they look at me.
• 6:17
  Emeal Zwayne: I love grape juice.
• 6:18
  Emeal Zwayne: It's like poison.
• 6:18
  Emeal Zwayne: So what do you try?
• 6:20
  Ray Comfort: END.
• 6:21
  Ray Comfort: What is it?
• 6:23
  Oscar Navarro: It's.
• 6:24
  Oscar Navarro: I'm the same way with cats you can't stand cats, but you can't swallow that taco, so I'm just kidding.
• 6:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it's, it's interesting, isn't it?
• 6:34
  Ray Comfort: you know just like chalkboard, so I don't mind the scratching of Nails on a chalkboard, but some people go crazy just with a thought of it and I'd like sheep fur in the teeth.
• 6:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Hmm, applesauce.
• 6:46
  Emeal Zwayne: I can't understand how anyone could like that.
• 6:48
  Oscar Navarro: Let's get off that sheet for Wait, what is she?
• 6:52
  Ray Comfort: for in tea?
• 6:52
  Ray Comfort: No, it's, it's you.
• 6:56
  Oscar Navarro: If I ever want to only wait like I'm.
• 6:59
  Ray Comfort: Scent easy and an absolute frenzy and stop and whatever he's doing by just putting, taking my collar of my shirt and putting between the teeth.
• 7:08
  Emeal Zwayne: My ears because I have these.
• 7:09
  Emeal Zwayne: So that stops them doing it off of that off of that, off of that, um, like a ball of cotton, I'm stop it.
• 7:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Stuck between you know what's gonna happen to me now people wherever I go and their podcast listeners are gonna do this junk to me.
• 7:24
  Mark Spence: Yeah, what you guys just just came.
• 7:25
  Mark Spence: What is it exactly that you?
• 7:26
  Ray Comfort: don't like I don't want to talk about okay, so anyway.
• 7:29
  Ray Comfort: I like to say them tin sheep between the teeth, but you get a cute tip and just oh.
• 7:39
  Emeal Zwayne: I saw this thing on YouTube yesterday.
• 7:40
  Emeal Zwayne: Came up in my feed.
• 7:42
  Emeal Zwayne: You guys ever heard of it.
• 7:43
  Emeal Zwayne: Wife carrying contest wife carrying contest.
• 7:48
  Emeal Zwayne: Put their wives on their back and they're like, they're like Upside down and they're holding their legs and they're running, they're jumping over.
• 7:58
  Emeal Zwayne: Things are jumping in water.
• 8:00
  Ray Comfort: So why don't we have that in the real masculinity program?
• 8:02
  Emeal Zwayne: We do yeah right, oh it was, it was really funny, that's cool.
• 8:07
  Ray Comfort: It's called a change of subject and it worked.
• 8:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Yes, thank, thank you Lord anyways.
• 8:12
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, friends, this, oh no, not this podcast.
• 8:19
  Emeal Zwayne: Here's a comment from Burke beer yeah, a beer beer blessings.
• 8:26
  Emeal Zwayne: I really appreciate the uplifting and inspiring messages shared on this Christian podcast.
• 8:30
  Emeal Zwayne: It's refreshing to hear discussions that strengthen my faith and provide guidance for living a meaningful and purposeful life.
• 8:37
  Emeal Zwayne: Keep up the great work.
• 8:40
  Ray Comfort: Thank you, I talked to someone there.
• 8:41
  Ray Comfort: I'm Arizona, sorry, I'm sure a beer.
• 8:43
  Ray Comfort: Thank you, man, I talked to someone the other day that absolutely loves our podcast but couldn't believe the first team, and it's the first one.
• 8:51
  Ray Comfort: She heard that, which is what is this?
• 8:54
  Ray Comfort: Oh, yeah, just hey, who was that we were talking to?
• 8:56
  Ray Comfort: I don't know who it was, but they just absolutely.
• 8:58
  Ray Comfort: Oh yeah they said they didn't get it.
• 9:00
  Emeal Zwayne: They're like what is this?
• 9:01
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, we don't blame you.
• 9:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, hey, a beer, thank you.
• 9:06
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean guys, seriously, stuff like that, guidance for living a meaningful and purposeful life, I mean what a what an encouragement.
• 9:12
  Emeal Zwayne: Hmm, so thank you a beer for taking the time to write in.
• 9:15
  Emeal Zwayne: That means more to us and you know, and we hope you're not melting in Arizona.
• 9:19
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I had to.
• 9:21
  Emeal Zwayne: I had a forced overnight layover in Arizona one year and it was not fun in Singapore it was like 92 with 85% humidity.
• 9:31
  Oscar Navarro: Hmm, oh, it was Likey.
• 9:33
  Oscar Navarro: There's no way you can't sweat yeah that's bad.
• 9:37
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends.
• 9:37
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• 9:43
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• 9:47
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, it's.
• 9:48
  Ray Comfort: I love the title and it was inspired by atheists who said so many Christians, not enough Lions tissue wicked and I thought yeah, it's, this, is this cult say that about homosexuals.
• 9:58
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah they say that about Muslims.
• 9:59
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I know, christians are fair game.
• 10:02
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, speaking of masculinity, who did you dedicate that book to?
• 10:09
  Emeal Zwayne: To Oscar.
• 10:10
  Ray Comfort: I said some nice things about Oscar.
• 10:11
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• 10:14
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, was dead.
• 10:18
  Emeal Zwayne: Anyway, friends check it out.
• 10:19
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• 10:19
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• 10:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Oscar.
• 10:27
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends.
• 10:28
  Emeal Zwayne: If you listen to the last Episode, you know we talked about biblical masculinity.
• 10:35
  Emeal Zwayne: Today we're gonna talk about biblical feminine Feminine.
• 10:42
  Emeal Zwayne: What is it about the word seriously?
• 10:44
  Emeal Zwayne: That makes it hard to say Femininity, feminine, feminine if you're intelligent, it's easy to say.
• 10:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Remember that one time years ago on the comfort zone boy, that's a throwback, the comfort zone.
• 10:55
  Emeal Zwayne: I could not say statistical Saturday, saturday Live.
• 11:02
  Emeal Zwayne: I could not say Saturday night live without messing up.
• 11:06
  Emeal Zwayne: I did like three, four times.
• 11:08
  Mark Spence: That's like Ray.
• 11:08
  Mark Spence: With what was that word poor?
• 11:10
  Mark Spence: Who am I For?
• 11:12
  Mark Spence: Who am?
• 11:12
  Ray Comfort: I.
• 11:12
  Ray Comfort: It's a great word that I couldn't say and we have what?
• 11:16
  Ray Comfort: What do we had Kirk and I was standing there, cameras rolling, and I couldn't say.
• 11:20
  Ray Comfort: I think we had about eight times.
• 11:21
  Ray Comfort: I said Kirk, if I mess up this time, slap my face.
• 11:24
  Ray Comfort: And he did.
• 11:25
  Emeal Zwayne: That was one of our TV episodes and what a?
• 11:27
  Ray Comfort: what a director say he's a Kiwi.
• 11:30
  Ray Comfort: You can't say it, let's just move on.
• 11:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Forget it, yeah.
• 11:34
  Emeal Zwayne: So anyway, guys, we are venturing today into a topic that will unquestionably Stir some people up, because what do we, for men, have to say about femininity?
• 11:47
  Oscar Navarro: Nothing but the scripture has a lot to say about amen.
• 11:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's right.
• 11:50
  Emeal Zwayne: And yeah, this is again an important topic.
• 11:54
  Emeal Zwayne: When we talked about biblical masculinity, I went to Genesis 1, 27.
• 11:58
  Emeal Zwayne: I think it's appropriate to read it again.
• 11:59
  Emeal Zwayne: So God created man in his own image.
• 12:02
  Emeal Zwayne: In the image of God, he created him male and female.
• 12:05
  Emeal Zwayne: He created them, hmm.
• 12:07
  Emeal Zwayne: And so bottom line is scripture makes distinctions.
• 12:11
  Emeal Zwayne: And Look, let me say this for you, ladies that are listening today.
• 12:15
  Emeal Zwayne: I want to say that, first of all, what we're gonna share on this Podcasts, we share unashamedly.
• 12:21
  Emeal Zwayne: We're not ashamed of what God's word says.
• 12:24
  Emeal Zwayne: We understand that a lot of things, things we're gonna say our counter cultural, but it's incumbent upon you to explore if they're biblical and if they are just like in every other facet of life.
• 12:35
  Emeal Zwayne: We have a decision to make.
• 12:37
  Emeal Zwayne: Are we gonna listen to the Lord or we're going to listen to an ancient slithering serpent?
• 12:44
  Emeal Zwayne: That's really what it comes down to, and you know, and you got to just step back and say what.
• 12:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, what does God's words say?
• 12:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Here's how the definition is displayed in the dictionary.
• 12:55
  Emeal Zwayne: This is in Miriam Webster femininity the quality or nature of the female sex, the quality, state or degree of being feminine or womanly.
• 13:04
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm surprised that's still in the dictionary.
• 13:06
  Emeal Zwayne: And then Collins dictionary defines feminine as qualities and things that relate to or are considered typical of women in Contrast to men.
• 13:17
  Emeal Zwayne: Huh, they're still making contrast.
• 13:19
  Emeal Zwayne: That's good.
• 13:19
  Emeal Zwayne: Someone or something that is feminine has qualities that are considered typical of women, especially being pretty or gentle, having qualities regarded as characteristic of women and girls as gentleness, delicacy and modesty.
• 13:33
  Emeal Zwayne: I love those Because I do believe they comport to what scripture says.
• 13:37
  Emeal Zwayne: But, mark, not long ago we saw Candidate for the United States Supreme Court, the highest court in the land actually look back at one of our Congressional leaders when asked can you define a woman?
• 13:54
  Emeal Zwayne: And she said no.
• 13:56
  Mark Spence: Yes, katanji Brown Jackson, who now sits on the highest court in the US land, here right, that's, that's a People should have turned their backs at that moment, should have just kind of looked into the camera and just said, what else do we need to do?
• 14:12
  Mark Spence: Because if you were to prefaced it with are you a woman?
• 14:15
  Mark Spence: Is defending women important?
• 14:16
  Mark Spence: And had a lot of lead up questions and things like that, and undoubtedly she would have said, yes, we need to fight for a woman, but we can't define what a woman is.
• 14:25
  Mark Spence: At that point, I mean, there should be some basic qualifications to become a US Supreme Court judge, and apparently there's none anymore.
• 14:33
  Mark Spence: So that's a hard thing.
• 14:35
  Mark Spence: So we need to go back, obviously back to the Bible and see what the Bible has to say.
• 14:38
  Emeal Zwayne: Ray, did that feel to you like kind of the twilight zone when that?
• 14:42
  Ray Comfort: whole of life is a quiet light zone, quiet light zone.
• 14:47
  Mark Spence: The T assignment?
• 14:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, but racially though, I mean when that happened and, mark, you know I like what you say there should have been an upper.
• 14:56
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, there was somewhat of a you know reaction, but it should have been.
• 15:00
  Emeal Zwayne: It should have been way more pronounced it should have.
• 15:04
  Mark Spence: In fact, I went on the Huntington Beach Pier and I asked people you know, how would you define what a woman is?
• 15:09
  Mark Spence: And people were going oh boy, you know, well, they're not like you and I.
• 15:13
  Mark Spence: So I mean, we're just afraid to define what a woman is.
• 15:16
  Mark Spence: And I recently looked into my surprise that that video on our YouTube channel has more than a million views.
• 15:22
  Mark Spence: It's crazy, it's absolutely.
• 15:23
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it was a great response.
• 15:25
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, it's the world moving away from Scripture.
• 15:27
  Ray Comfort: When you move away from Scripture and define your own morality, you open a huge can of worms.
• 15:31
  Ray Comfort: I was watching a video about how long Richard Dawkins with some intelligent lady both obviously don't believe the Bible but they were complaining about the whole transsexual thing and what's going on and I thought, dawkins, you can't.
• 15:44
  Ray Comfort: You can't open your mouth.
• 15:45
  Ray Comfort: You say there's no God, there's no right nor wrong, no absolutes.
• 15:48
  Ray Comfort: You just don't like what's coming out of the can that you've opened.
• 15:51
  Ray Comfort: You said there's no morality, but you can't say I don't like the way this is going.
• 15:57
  Ray Comfort: You just got to shut your mouth.
• 15:58
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, Well, I've always said that you know those that have an issue with homosexuality, with transgenderism, with abortion.
• 16:06
  Emeal Zwayne: In a sense, I could look at them and say, and if they don't believe in Christ or in the foundation of Scripture?
• 16:13
  Emeal Zwayne: I could look at them and say, yeah, they're bigoted, because that's just an opinion based on preference rather than absolute truth.
• 16:19
  Emeal Zwayne: And if you're living in a relative world, well then, we decide what is, and so, therefore, you're going against that norm and you're a bigot.
• 16:27
  Emeal Zwayne: But for the Christian, we're not.
• 16:30
  Emeal Zwayne: We're not citing ourselves as the authority.
• 16:32
  Emeal Zwayne: There's an ultimate authority and he's God and Oscar.
• 16:37
  Emeal Zwayne: What's the deal with the madness?
• 16:39
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, it's like people are terrified to speak the truth that they evidently know, Like when that Supreme Court nominee was asked that question, she knew the answer.
• 16:53
  Emeal Zwayne: Is it fear?
• 16:54
  Emeal Zwayne: That's crippling people from just being real.
• 16:57
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, it's confusion in lives from the devil.
• 16:59
  Oscar Navarro: I love that you started back in Genesis again, because you're absolutely right.
• 17:02
  Oscar Navarro: We see two things in Genesis, and I think those two things are prevalent today.
• 17:06
  Oscar Navarro: And in Genesis one we see that man and women.
• 17:10
  Oscar Navarro: Women is made in God's own image, and for much of human history women have been made by culture to be less than man, and so there's one narrative that is anti-scripture Women are not less than man.
• 17:27
  Oscar Navarro: They're equal in dignity, worth, capability and capacity.
• 17:32
  Oscar Navarro: But to your point, we also have Genesis three.
• 17:35
  Oscar Navarro: And what happens in Genesis three, verse one Did God actually say those are the words that the serpent used on Eve.
• 17:45
  Oscar Navarro: What is he doing in that moment?
• 17:46
  Oscar Navarro: He's questioning the authority of God, and we have so often in our culture today that feminism, the new wave of feminism, is the questioning of authority.
• 17:59
  Oscar Navarro: 1950s feminist thinker Betty Friedman said we women do not need and can't trust any authority other than our own personal truth.
• 18:12
  Oscar Navarro: Did God actually say it's the same lie from the serpent?
• 18:19
  Oscar Navarro: And so for women out there, like man, we need the scriptures, because women are incredibly important.
• 18:27
  Oscar Navarro: They have something incredible to contribute to society, to the family, to the church.
• 18:34
  Oscar Navarro: They are valuable and worthy and made an image of God with a purpose.
• 18:40
  Oscar Navarro: But if we don't turn to the scriptures, we will never discover the true purpose of women and femininity.
• 18:49
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, amen and right.
• 18:51
  Emeal Zwayne: There's nothing wrong with distinction.
• 18:55
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean the world looks at distinction like it's bad.
• 18:59
  Emeal Zwayne: We all have to be the same, or that the whole egalitarian perspective on no, no, no, men and women have equal roles or similar roles.
• 19:10
  Emeal Zwayne: But distinction is beautiful.
• 19:12
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean there's a reason why we're attracted to our wives because they're different than us.
• 19:16
  Ray Comfort: Yeah.
• 19:16
  Ray Comfort: I should have predicted that, no, no no, I love Proverbs 31, where it speaks of a woman of virtue and she's got a leadership role.
• 19:28
  Ray Comfort: When you read it, she's a wisdom, strength and virtue.
• 19:31
  Ray Comfort: It's often seen as a model of femininity in scripture, which it is, emphasizing qualities like hard work, care for a family and wise decision making.
• 19:41
  Ray Comfort: That's why I love having a help.
• 19:43
  Ray Comfort: My wife is my helpmate.
• 19:44
  Ray Comfort: She brings perspectives to me that I hadn't thought of.
• 19:48
  Ray Comfort: Often She'll just gently say that stupid and it doesn't hurt because she's my helpmate.
• 19:57
  Ray Comfort: But yeah, like you're saying, oscar women were a good idea.
• 20:00
  Ray Comfort: Yeah.
• 20:02
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean the blessing of the difference, the tenderness of a woman, the gentleness, the sensitivity.
• 20:10
  Emeal Zwayne: These are all virtues and women are trying to in our culture today.
• 20:16
  Ray Comfort: They're trying to fight that you know there's something clashes.
• 20:20
  Ray Comfort: When I see a female weightlifter with muscles like a man, it's just this thing.
• 20:25
  Ray Comfort: That just doesn't look right.
• 20:26
  Ray Comfort: I hope I don't offend any strong women.
• 20:28
  Ray Comfort: They want to beat me up.
• 20:30
  Emeal Zwayne: That woman that punched you in Santa Monica.
• 20:33
  Ray Comfort: She didn't fight like a woman, she fought like a man, and I had to do this.
• 20:36
  Emeal Zwayne: My Tyson sister.
• 20:40
  Ray Comfort: But yeah, there's something nice about genuine femininity and there's even colors.
• 20:45
  Ray Comfort: I think the pastel colors and pinks and light blues look really nice on women and I don't like seeing women dressed with black lipstick and black clothes and black fingernails and shaving half of the scalp and it's like I'm getting rid of everything the Bible says as a woman and trying to look like I don't know what.
• 21:07
  Oscar Navarro: And in the midst of Proverbs 31, with the gentleness and the kindness what you see is you actually see power in that, which is the same way in which Christ showed his power often in times, and in the scriptures we have very powerful women.
• 21:22
  Oscar Navarro: We've got Miriam, who's a prophet at Exodus 15.
• 21:25
  Oscar Navarro: We've got Deborah, which come to find I didn't realize this that Deborah is the only person in the scriptures that's considered both the prophet and the judge other than Samuel, and Andrew Curry in 2008 says, in regards to Deborah, she is a radical departure from the standard biblical themes, which rarely place women in roles as warriors in general, and so what you see in scriptures over and over again, whether it's Esther or Lydia or phobia or Priscilla, is women playing vital roles in God's kingdom.
• 21:54
  Emeal Zwayne: Doing things that are important for the Lord.
• 21:56
  Emeal Zwayne: Is it phobia or Phoebe, phoebe?
• 21:57
  Oscar Navarro: Phoebe.
• 21:58
  Oscar Navarro: What did I say?
• 21:58
  Oscar Navarro: Phoebe, Phoebe, my bad Phoebe.
• 22:01
  Emeal Zwayne: Mark, I want to say something that I know is going to come across controversial to people listening.
• 22:06
  Ray Comfort: Do it easy.
• 22:07
  Emeal Zwayne: I will.
• 22:07
  Emeal Zwayne: But, mark, don't you think homosexuality in what we typically see demonstrates that God has created distinctive roles?
• 22:19
  Emeal Zwayne: Because the majority of homosexual couples I've seen will always have a male type figure and a female type figure, a man and a butch.
• 22:28
  Emeal Zwayne: You'll have a woman who's masculine short hair, even carrying it, using a wallet instead of a purse, wearing more like masculine clothing, and then you have the other partner who's female.
• 22:40
  Emeal Zwayne: Same thing with men.
• 22:41
  Emeal Zwayne: One of the guys is more masculine, the other is more feminine and lisp and stuff like that.
• 22:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Doesn't that speak to the fact that God is saying look, you're trying to mimic what I've designed.
• 22:52
  Mark Spence: Yeah.
• 22:54
  Ray Comfort: That's really good, mark, why do?
• 22:55
  Oscar Navarro: you continue to ask them questions Because they don't know sometimes he asked a question, then he answered the question within the question.
• 23:01
  Oscar Navarro: I don't know what else to say.
• 23:02
  Mark Spence: With that, I mean it absolutely blows my mind where we are at today and we are experiencing the wrath of God upon our community.
• 23:13
  Mark Spence: This is Romans 1 in full display.
• 23:15
  Mark Spence: If Romans 1 was a word picture, it would just be Southern California.
• 23:20
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow, that's well put In New York.
• 23:23
  Ray Comfort: And it's great to live here.
• 23:25
  Emeal Zwayne: Detroit.
• 23:25
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, we need some light in the darkness.
• 23:28
  Ray Comfort: Yes.
• 23:28
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I mean it's madness, and I think it just shows that, yeah, that this is God's design, and there's something in that that is showing there's a reason why it's being done, because we're attracted to opposites.
• 23:42
  Ray Comfort: And why do they want to get married?
• 23:43
  Ray Comfort: That's God's design also.
• 23:45
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah.
• 23:45
  Oscar Navarro: To summarize, I think the big attack on biblical womanhood is the understanding of authority and submission.
• 23:52
  Oscar Navarro: And femininity rejects that.
• 23:55
  Oscar Navarro: And Margaret Sanger is a famous feminist author, narrator, and I love what Rachel Schultz observes about her and femininity today.
• 24:06
  Oscar Navarro: She says Margaret Sanger's disciples claim to have freed our gender by opening doors, but many goals in the feminist mindset are not freeing at all.
• 24:17
  Oscar Navarro: Women are encouraged to grab all they can at no expense, to measure their worth by how much they control their autonomy.
• 24:25
  Oscar Navarro: Conversely, as Christians we are dependent on God, not ourselves.
• 24:28
  Oscar Navarro: True freedom is to be able to not sin.
• 24:32
  Oscar Navarro: It only comes from Jesus Christ.
• 24:34
  Oscar Navarro: It is for God to find you pleasing.
• 24:36
  Oscar Navarro: How could being free possibly include disavowing God's order and design?
• 24:42
  Oscar Navarro: If feminism has evolved into different manifestations of trying to buck submission, we must stay away.
• 24:50
  Oscar Navarro: That's Rachel Schultz.
• 24:52
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow yeah, and the feminist movement, ray, has done a lot of harm to, I think, the family structure.
• 25:01
  Emeal Zwayne: Women who stay home and look after their kids and tend to the house and look after their husbands are looked down upon.
• 25:10
  Emeal Zwayne: Why is that?
• 25:12
  Ray Comfort: I don't know, it could be jealousy that men seem to have freedom to be out there working but put a woman on the freeways for an hour each day and the pressures of work and that, and it's not as free as what you think.
• 25:27
  Ray Comfort: I'm a sad home dad.
• 25:29
  Ray Comfort: I cook dinner each day, I look after the dog and I just love that role.
• 25:36
  Ray Comfort: And I think when a woman fits into that role as a godly woman, she's going to appreciate the fact that God created her for this.
• 25:43
  Ray Comfort: I love the old saying God made woman from man's rib under his arm and close to his heart.
• 25:50
  Ray Comfort: And that's where a woman feels complete security and complete freedom and that God given role as a woman as a helpman, it's good.
• 25:59
  Mark Spence: A woman's role, though different, is not inferior to the man's role.
• 26:05
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah.
• 26:06
  Mark Spence: Right and for some there's a switch that has been crossed to get people to think that, especially the Christian worldview that men are superior to women, and that is not what the Bible teaches.
• 26:19
  Mark Spence: There is an equality that is attached to the men and women within scripture.
• 26:25
  Mark Spence: They're just different roles.
• 26:27
  Mark Spence: They're not inferior, they're just different.
• 26:30
  Oscar Navarro: Right.
• 26:30
  Oscar Navarro: Well, I think that we impose a cultural understanding of leadership.
• 26:34
  Oscar Navarro: When we hear that word leader, Right.
• 26:36
  Oscar Navarro: When I hear leader, I think you know distinguished, corner office, higher pay, authoritative, more valued in the workplace than everybody else.
• 26:44
  Oscar Navarro: But does the scriptures talk about a leader like that?
• 26:47
  Oscar Navarro: Was Jesus a leader?
• 26:50
  Oscar Navarro: Was he, you know?
• 26:51
  Oscar Navarro: Was he a leader that prioritizes himself or their others?
• 26:53
  Oscar Navarro: No, Jesus was the servant leader, the suffering servant.
• 26:58
  Oscar Navarro: He was the one that washed his disciples' feet, who bent down and met people who were that, who ultimately gave up his life to serve others, ultimately through grace.
• 27:11
  Oscar Navarro: And so what we see in scripture is not a leader that is a higher value, but rather a leader that serves.
• 27:20
  Oscar Navarro: And I think that when you, when you look at the idea of a servant and a leader and a servant leader through the eyes of scriptures, how do you ever come away with the idea that women are less than?
• 27:32
  Ray Comfort: Yeah.
• 27:33
  Oscar Navarro: That women should somehow be treated less than or that leaders are somehow treated like greater than.
• 27:37
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, no, yeah, and and Ray, you know, just to clarify friends, when Ray says he's a stay at home, and dad Ray, obviously, all through his life, raines, who had traditional roles, ray works from home to have quiet, to write and edit videos and he takes care of the dog when he's there and then he likes to make dinner.
• 27:55
  Emeal Zwayne: So just to clarify Ray's not wearing an apron with a feather tester.
• 28:00
  Oscar Navarro: Wait, he does have an apron, though.
• 28:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Anyway, but Mark the role of a woman in her femininity when it comes to raising children how key is that there's no one like, like a woman, right?
• 28:15
  Mark Spence: I mean, there was a some sort of a study that was done several years ago.
• 28:18
  Mark Spence: I mean there was a study that was done several years ago about the value of a mother, of a housewife, who is pouring into the kids and pouring into the husband all day long, and the value was worth hundreds of thousands of dollars if you were to compare it to the workforce and what it's like.
• 28:34
  Mark Spence: I don't know if you guys ever look at gotquestionsorg, but they have a great article on there concerning what a godly woman looks like, and on that website, this specific article.
• 28:43
  Mark Spence: It talks about that a woman will control her thoughts.
• 28:46
  Mark Spence: She sets her mind to most things which are from above, she takes them captive and makes them obedient to Christ, and she meditates on God's word all throughout the day.
• 28:54
  Mark Spence: So the first thing she does is she controls her thoughts.
• 28:56
  Mark Spence: Next is she controls her emotions.
• 28:59
  Mark Spence: She lives by God's word, not the fickleness of her heart, and she's kind-hearted towards those that are around her or that oppose to a Christian review, that she's patient, willing to teach, willing to yield.
• 29:11
  Mark Spence: Third, she controls her appetites.
• 29:13
  Mark Spence: Right, she doesn't run to food for solace, she doesn't run to anything other than God's word that a true woman and a male for that matter is going to be able to control their appetites inside this world.
• 29:24
  Mark Spence: And next and this is typically very big for a woman for some reason, and that is the controlling of the tongue.
• 29:29
  Mark Spence: Right, that she's able to control her tongue, she doesn't have idle gossip, she's not slanderous, she's not given to profanity, she edifies, she builds up and she does not tear down.
• 29:40
  Mark Spence: She definitely does not destroy her home.
• 29:42
  Mark Spence: And then, finally, she controls her clothing.
• 29:45
  Mark Spence: She's modest with the clothing and with the jewelry that she has inside of her life, that she's not given over to just this outward adornment.
• 29:54
  Mark Spence: Look at me that she'll dress in such a way to where she says it's about Christ, it's not about me.
• 30:02
  Mark Spence: And we had Owen Strand on here not too long ago where he was talking about the pitfalls of a woman, that she needs to be mindful of what she's wearing, knowing that guys are really attracted or drawn to the outward appearance.
• 30:16
  Mark Spence: So a woman who fears the Lord, she shall be praised that when you wake up, it should be your first priority to want to point people to Christ, and that starts with the men and the kids inside of your house.
• 30:29
  Mark Spence: So when you leave the house, you're not looking for anything other than what God has for you, because your kids rise up and call you blessed and your husband says this is my wife, in whom I'm will please, because she is caught up in wanting to please the Lord and hence I will be blessed just as much.
• 30:46
  Ray Comfort: You know, think about sorry, no, I was just going to ask easy.
• 30:50
  Ray Comfort: Would you mention to a woman about immodesty if she's stressed in her property, when you're witnessing to her?
• 30:59
  Emeal Zwayne: I don't think I would to an unbeliever because I think that just distracts from the gospel, kind of like we've talked about.
• 31:05
  Emeal Zwayne: We don't, we don't jump headlong into homosexuality in terms of pointing it out to a person because they're a sinner.
• 31:12
  Emeal Zwayne: Despite that, you know, and I think, with a sensitive as women are, that may derail the whole conversation.
• 31:18
  Ray Comfort: So someone's a professing believer and she forgot to put her clothes on.
• 31:22
  Oscar Navarro: Would you mention that Because I would be nowhere near her beach.
• 31:26
  Ray Comfort: quite often Someone says I'm a Christian and you think I can't even look at you because you're not dressed humbly in modesty.
• 31:33
  Ray Comfort: Would you say anything?
• 31:34
  Ray Comfort: I have on one or two?
• 31:37
  Emeal Zwayne: occasions.
• 31:37
  Emeal Zwayne: If it was a believer, it depends I'd have to just, you know, kind of discern the situation Again.
• 31:45
  Emeal Zwayne: I wouldn't want to humiliate her in front of everybody.
• 31:48
  Ray Comfort: Maybe she's alone and she's under six feet.
• 31:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Why are you?
• 31:50
  Mark Spence: alone with a woman under six feet.
• 31:52
  Mark Spence: Yeah, under six feet.
• 31:54
  Ray Comfort: If any woman's over six feet.
• 31:55
  Ray Comfort: I don't mention a word.
• 31:57
  Emeal Zwayne: But you know, ray, I mean you do bring up a good point in that regard, and I think this is a very, very sensitive subject.
• 32:03
  Emeal Zwayne: I got my first taste of this many, many years ago and I was a young man, still in my teens, I think I may have been 18.
• 32:10
  Emeal Zwayne: And there was a girl that I was really interested in and we were beginning to develop, you know, a friendship that was heading toward relationship, but she dressed very immodestly, and so one day I broached the subject and I tried to be as sensitive as I could.
• 32:24
  Emeal Zwayne: I went on and on about her beauty.
• 32:26
  Emeal Zwayne: You're so beautiful, and so because of that, you know, and whew, no way.
• 32:32
  Ray Comfort: Now you did not take it well, it is a very sensitive subject You're the most discreet person I know and she still got upset.
• 32:40
  Ray Comfort: She shot me.
• 32:42
  Emeal Zwayne: But you know this is an important subject and we don't have a lot of time to dedicate to it here, but it could be a whole nother episode honestly.
• 32:49
  Emeal Zwayne: Really, you know.
• 32:50
  Emeal Zwayne: But it's one at which women bristle.
• 32:54
  Emeal Zwayne: It's very difficult because it deals with their bodies, it deals with how people are looking at them.
• 32:57
  Emeal Zwayne: But, man, it is an important one.
• 32:59
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, Scripture is clear on the importance of modesty.
• 33:03
  Emeal Zwayne: I'll touch on those verses here in a little bit.
• 33:05
  Emeal Zwayne: But it's really important, especially in areas where in the summertime, like in California, it gets really hot, it gets really bad and there is no concern for other men.
• 33:17
  Emeal Zwayne: Listen, men are responsible for what they do with their eyes and with their thoughts.
• 33:22
  Emeal Zwayne: No question, no woman is responsible for that.
• 33:25
  Emeal Zwayne: But we're also called to love one another and to serve one another, and we have the ability to create an atmosphere for others that make it more conducive for them to do what's right.
• 33:35
  Emeal Zwayne: And the sad thing is this a lot of times there is an I don't care attitude and you know, years ago I had these three ends that I used and this may come across as offensive, but I shared in love.
• 33:47
  Emeal Zwayne: I think women that dress and modestly fall into one of three categories.
• 33:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Either number one they're nasty, which means they know what it does to men and they want to do that to men.
• 33:56
  Emeal Zwayne: Other women, they're negligent.
• 33:59
  Emeal Zwayne: They know what it does to men.
• 34:01
  Emeal Zwayne: That's not what they want to do to men, but they don't care.
• 34:04
  Emeal Zwayne: It's like I don't care, it's fine.
• 34:06
  Emeal Zwayne: I know that does that, but that's how I'm doing it and this is what I like to wear, whatever.
• 34:11
  Emeal Zwayne: And then the last category is naive.
• 34:12
  Emeal Zwayne: They have no idea what it does to men and they just don't know.
• 34:16
  Emeal Zwayne: That's why they dress that way Nasty, naive, nasty and negligent or naive.
• 34:19
  Emeal Zwayne: And I think that it's important that this be addressed.
• 34:23
  Emeal Zwayne: It's sensitive, it's difficult, but I appeal to the godly women who know better and see the younger women that are dressing in ways that are dishonoring the Lord, not in a judgmental way, not in a harsh way, not in a knit picking way, but when it's something that's clearly revealing in an inappropriate way.
• 34:41
  Emeal Zwayne: It's loving to talk to these young ladies and to tell them hey, think through this.
• 34:46
  Oscar Navarro: I would just add before I would address what it does to men, to a lady, to one of my daughters.
• 34:53
  Oscar Navarro: I would address what it does to women, because body image issues are prevalent amongst women, especially young women, and the idea that your beauty could come from the shape of your body is a nasty, dangerous, destructive lie that so many women believe.
• 35:13
  Oscar Navarro: And the reality is that, especially for young women, there's going to be a time in which their bodies aren't in that shape anymore, and if they're believing the lie, then that that's where their beauty comes from.
• 35:24
  Oscar Navarro: Then, in their mind, their beauty is going to one day fade away through motherhood, through getting older, through whatever the case.
• 35:31
  Oscar Navarro: And that's where that lie becomes incredibly nasty, that if you're buying into that lie at an early age, it's going to be really hard as you get older.
• 35:38
  Oscar Navarro: So before definitely does something to men, but it also does something to women.
• 35:42
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, Let me go back and also let me just say real quick on that you know, and again, this is biblical.
• 35:46
  Emeal Zwayne: So let me read the text 1 Timothy, 2, 9 to 10.
• 35:49
  Emeal Zwayne: And the like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair, gold or pearls or costly clothing, but which is proper for women professing godliness with good works.
• 36:02
  Emeal Zwayne: And you know, ladies, just one thought for you to consider, especially you single ladies consider what kind of men are going to be attracted to a modest clothing.
• 36:13
  Emeal Zwayne: Because if a man truly loves a Lord and is a godly man, he's projecting what his wife is going to be wearing in the future and how that's going to affect other men and how other men are going to look at her, and he's going to want a woman who conforms to 1 Timothy, 2, 9 to 10.
• 36:28
  Emeal Zwayne: So what you may think is going to be the thing that draws and attracts men, you may be right about it, but it may be the wrong kind of men.
• 36:35
  Oscar Navarro: That's really good.
• 36:36
  Oscar Navarro: I want to go back to something Mark talked about, which is motherhood, and I think motherhood in the context of cultural power is something to really consider as well, because there are so many women out there in the feminist movement that would argue that becoming a mother is somehow taking away from the potential of cultural power and influence that you might have.
• 36:57
  Oscar Navarro: And yet in the scriptures, what we see is that femininity and power in the context of motherhood is not separate but together, and we actually know that to be true.
• 37:09
  Oscar Navarro: Looking just at like powerful leaders of the day, I mean like at the peak of Abraham Lincoln's success, at the peak of George Bush, at the peak of when Michael Jordan accepted his Hall of Fame induct, induct, induct, induct her nation.
• 37:24
  Oscar Navarro: Induction, induction.
• 37:25
  Oscar Navarro: Kevin Durant, lebron James, all of these cultural influencers of power at the peak of it.
• 37:31
  Oscar Navarro: Who did they think Mama, mothers, their mothers?
• 37:35
  Oscar Navarro: Which tells you that that there is power in motherhood, yeah, that there is cultural transformation and leadership in motherhood Based on raising your children.
• 37:46
  Oscar Navarro: That is, that is true power, yeah, raising godly children for the culture.
• 37:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Amen, what's the saying?
• 37:52
  Emeal Zwayne: The hand that rocks the cradle is a hand that rules the earth.
• 37:55
  Emeal Zwayne: It's pretty powerful, yeah, and that's why, you know, I wanted to touch on that, because how do you even begin to put a price tag on the impact that a woman has on her children in those early formative years as they're being shaped, and some sacrifice that to go pursue, you know, a Corporate ladder climbing career?
• 38:20
  Emeal Zwayne: And I'm just saying, look, of course, when we can work, I mean the proverb 31 woman, right, I mean she, she worked, she provided for her home.
• 38:27
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean she, she was industrious, she was a business woman, absolutely, but never at the expense of sacrificing your children.
• 38:34
  Emeal Zwayne: And I know we're.
• 38:35
  Emeal Zwayne: There's some women out there right now.
• 38:36
  Emeal Zwayne: They're feeling deep pain because they're single mothers or or their husbands, you know, are struggling to provide and they have to work.
• 38:43
  Emeal Zwayne: We understand there are circumstances, but under normal circumstances it should be the passion of a woman to pour her life into these children that have been entrusted into her care.
• 38:54
  Mark Spence: Mm-hmm Jay Adams in his book Christian living in the home he said to your exact point here he says the idea of the woman should not hold jobs.
• 39:01
  Mark Spence: It's false and problems 31.
• 39:04
  Mark Spence: We see a prominent city elders wife who does.
• 39:07
  Mark Spence: The key to whether a job is fitting or not lies solely in whether the job Helps or hinders her family.
• 39:16
  Mark Spence: It's good.
• 39:17
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow, that's really well put.
• 39:19
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, and Ray, you know, genesis 3, 16 says to the woman he said I will surely multiply your pain and childbearing and pain you shall bring forth children.
• 39:27
  Emeal Zwayne: Your desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you.
• 39:30
  Emeal Zwayne: And that that word, your desire shall be for your husband, can be translated Against your husband or contrary to your husband.
• 39:38
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean a lot of that.
• 39:40
  Ray Comfort: The feminine movement, sort of attributes, take the roots back to the fall of women not accepting their role and wanting to usurp their husband's role there's nothing worse than a woman who dominates a man, and I Think it comes back to the back that a man lets a woman Dominate him.
• 40:01
  Ray Comfort: He's not being a man.
• 40:02
  Ray Comfort: He's got to step up and say honey, I know what's best in the situation.
• 40:05
  Ray Comfort: I love you and we're gonna do this and take the leadership role.
• 40:08
  Ray Comfort: I think a woman who's godly and has got a godly husband will see that his motivation is love.
• 40:14
  Ray Comfort: We're just talking before about women who dress to modestly attract certain types of men.
• 40:19
  Ray Comfort: I had the thought that flesh attracts sharks.
• 40:23
  Ray Comfort: That's exactly what happens when a woman dresses to modestly, she's gonna get a certain type of man.
• 40:28
  Ray Comfort: What a picture.
• 40:28
  Ray Comfort: No yeah, and that's a good book title in the water.
• 40:32
  Emeal Zwayne: And I mean, I know we're talking a lot about this.
• 40:34
  Emeal Zwayne: Maybe the Lord's directed us in this direction, because it is a big problem, you know, and a lot of times it's an issue of conformity, you know, especially young ladies in high school or in college.
• 40:45
  Emeal Zwayne: I don't want to look, I don't want to look outdated, I don't want to look frumpy, I don't, I mean from frumpy, yeah, like kind of, you know, I don't know.
• 40:54
  Ray Comfort: Did you just make that up?
• 40:55
  Ray Comfort: No, that's a word.
• 40:56
  Ray Comfort: That's a word, yeah.
• 40:57
  Mark Spence: Oh, that's good, Good nickname for luck, you know.
• 41:01
  Emeal Zwayne: So I think that the bottom line is first of all, there's a lot of beautiful clothing that is modest.
• 41:07
  Emeal Zwayne: That's not the case.
• 41:08
  Emeal Zwayne: Everything's gonna make with Corbel.
• 41:09
  Emeal Zwayne: But you know what, even if you did, if you look different or whatever, you're doing it for the sake of love man, is it not worth it?
• 41:17
  Ray Comfort: Is it?
• 41:18
  Emeal Zwayne: not worth it to do it for the sake of love and honoring the Lord and then, and Loving your brothers and men and and being caring like that you know.
• 41:25
  Oscar Navarro: Let me ask you a question easy as a as as your, as you just finished your book how can men, young, single men, lead and guide the women around them in modesty?
• 41:37
  Oscar Navarro: Because men participate in the culture of immodesty.
• 41:41
  Oscar Navarro: So how do we lead them towards modesty?
• 41:44
  Emeal Zwayne: I think there needs to be more vocalization on the part of men in this arena.
• 41:50
  Emeal Zwayne: And and there have been some things I've read there was something in a book I read once, I believe, where it was given from the perspective of a young man.
• 41:59
  Emeal Zwayne: Here's how I struggle and here's how, how you can help me, as my sister you know.
• 42:06
  Emeal Zwayne: Hey, this is embarrassing for men.
• 42:08
  Emeal Zwayne: We're designed by God to be visually stimulated.
• 42:12
  Emeal Zwayne: It's just the bottom line.
• 42:13
  Emeal Zwayne: Men and women are different.
• 42:14
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, like a woman typically looking at some, you know, big buff dude most women Not awesome.
• 42:22
  Emeal Zwayne: Most women will tell you that doesn't really do anything for me.
• 42:27
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, that's why there's sometimes, you know, there's jokes because you'll see an extremely beautiful woman with an average or an Attractive man, thank you.
• 42:35
  Emeal Zwayne: And it's like that guy must have a great personality.
• 42:38
  Emeal Zwayne: Right as a joke.
• 42:39
  Emeal Zwayne: Typically we're married up, yeah, but it's just that women that their mood, their attraction, is typically tied to personality and the character, and men are visually stimulated.
• 42:50
  Emeal Zwayne: So it's embarrassing for me.
• 42:51
  Emeal Zwayne: It's not something they want to talk about or say.
• 42:52
  Emeal Zwayne: But I think if men can tenderly talk to the women in their circles friends, I'm talking especially young men, not a married woman but you know someone you have a friendship with, or your sibling, your sisters, and tell them hey, here's how men are affected.
• 43:07
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, we're.
• 43:07
  Ray Comfort: We're dynamite, walking around dynamite and we don't need flames coming close to us.
• 43:11
  Oscar Navarro: Well, let me.
• 43:12
  Oscar Navarro: Let me say that I also think the problem is is that pornography culture makes men overly Visually stimulating, makes men walk around like dynamite, because we are not as I you know we used to phrase in the last podcast we are not noble savages.
• 43:28
  Oscar Navarro: God did not create us to be monkeys, to look at women and just want to procreate.
• 43:33
  Oscar Navarro: That is a part of the fall.
• 43:35
  Oscar Navarro: It's a part of pornography culture that we look at women in that way and that we ultimately Because I think even Christian men can turn women into a commodity when they think the only thing your body Does is either cause me to stumble or is there for me to procreate within the context of marriage.
• 43:50
  Oscar Navarro: That is a fallen view of looking at women, and so I think, for men, one of the best ways that we can lead women is to have a renewing of the mind when we move, when we move away from pornography culture, when we start stop looking at women as primarily physical bodies.
• 44:07
  Oscar Navarro: What would happen if our disposition, what would happen if you're?
• 44:10
  Oscar Navarro: You know like I can remember I got, I got saved in my college years and I remember going to church and there was women that were dressed in modesty and and the guys would gravitate towards them.
• 44:18
  Oscar Navarro: They're the ones that the girl you know the guys wanted to be with.
• 44:20
  Oscar Navarro: What would happen if, in your church, cultural and context, the modest women were the ones that men were interested in pursuing?
• 44:27
  Oscar Navarro: What would that do to the other women around her where modesty is perceived as beauty and attractiveness?
• 44:33
  Oscar Navarro: How would that affect the culture of other women?
• 44:36
  Oscar Navarro: Would they start viewing themselves like oh, modesty Is beautiful, is good?
• 44:40
  Oscar Navarro: So I think the way we look at women Can lead them towards modesty.
• 44:45
  Oscar Navarro: When we look at them like we are savages and they are things to be conquered and we are just simply things that need to be tamed.
• 44:51
  Oscar Navarro: We participate in pornography culture and so, yeah, I think leading by pursuing modesty as men is a wonderful way of discipling women into modesty.
• 45:03
  Emeal Zwayne: That's really good, yeah, and and friends, look, scriptures replete with with verses on the heart of a woman and what a woman should be like.
• 45:10
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean first Peter 3, and talking about a woman who's even married to a man who's not obeying God's word.
• 45:17
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean it talks about winning him over with your Conduct accompanied by by fear.
• 45:22
  Emeal Zwayne: That word really means respect.
• 45:24
  Emeal Zwayne: Don't let your dormant, be merely outward, arranging the hair, wearing gold, putting on find a peril.
• 45:28
  Emeal Zwayne: Rather, let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God.
• 45:37
  Emeal Zwayne: And this doesn't deal with personality.
• 45:39
  Emeal Zwayne: That there are women that that are more Outgoing and that are funny and that like to speak loudly.
• 45:45
  Emeal Zwayne: That this isn't what it's speaking to, just talking about the disposition of the heart.
• 45:49
  Emeal Zwayne: That there is this, this softness there, this Missiveness there, directly toward your husband, toward your father, and so it's so key to recognize that this is femininity.
• 46:00
  Emeal Zwayne: Titus, 2, 3, 3, 5.
• 46:01
  Emeal Zwayne: The older women likewise, that they were be reverent in behavior.
• 46:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Not slander is not given a much wine.
• 46:05
  Emeal Zwayne: Teachers of good things, that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chased homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be Blasphemed, and it's so many more passages, but you know proverbs 31.
• 46:22
  Emeal Zwayne: We don't have time, but but, ladies, look at that, read some commentaries on it, listen to some sermons on it, meditate on it and ask yourself am I conforming to that biblical type of femininity?
• 46:34
  Oscar Navarro: Well.
• 46:35
  Emeal Zwayne: I hope we did this justice to some degree, guys.
• 46:38
  Emeal Zwayne: It's a tough topic Really to tackle.
• 46:40
  Emeal Zwayne: I hope I.
• 46:42
  Emeal Zwayne: You know we went to different places, but I hope we we did it some justice, amen amen.
• 46:47
  Emeal Zwayne: And a woman?
• 46:49
  Emeal Zwayne: No, me, not that.
• 46:51
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• 47:06
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