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214: People Who Died · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: It's good stuff, though. It is good. You question these
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  Speaker 1: we do have a guest this week. We would like
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  Speaker 1: to welcome Chris from Surreal Film.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, guys.
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  Speaker 1: How's everyone doing? I guess, go ahead and give everybody
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  Speaker 1: a rundown of Where you're from and what you guys
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  Speaker 1: do there.
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  Speaker 12: Right, sure.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm a Louisville native.
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  Speaker 4: I went to University of Kentucky and now back living
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  Speaker 4: in town. And we've been doing some real film. Originally
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  Speaker 4: started on WRFL in Lexington, which is the UK affiliated
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  Speaker 4: radio station there. I've been doing it here in town
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  Speaker 4: at Crescent Hill Radio, which actually films on Frankfurt Avenue
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  Speaker 4: right down the street, or courts rather. Try to bring
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  Speaker 4: on locally oriented actors, filmmakers, the like, and review the
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  Speaker 4: best of the crop of independent-leaning films that come through town.
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  Speaker 1: Which, they're more than you would realize sometimes. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 11: It's surprising what we have coming out of this town
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  Speaker 11: and what ends up coming back here sometime.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, do you have anything specific you've got
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  Speaker 1: coming up to tell people about? Sure.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we record Monday nights, and the new episodes come
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  Speaker 4: up online on Wednesdays via Crescent Hill Radio's SoundCloud page.
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  Speaker 4: We actually have our on-air debut Sundays at 1 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: On Crescent Hill Radio.
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  Speaker 4: This week's episode I'm particularly excited about. We've got Lexington
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  Speaker 4: native filmmaker Kentucker Audley is coming on.
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  Speaker 1: He's actually based.
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  Speaker 4: In Memphis, goes back and forth between there and New
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  Speaker 4: York City. He's going to be phoning in and he's
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  Speaker 4: going to tell us about his new film, which is
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  Speaker 4: called Open Flight 2. And then also he was actually
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  Speaker 4: in attendance at Sundance Film Festival last week.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to kind of get a rundown of
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  Speaker 1: his experiences from that.
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  Speaker 4: We are reviewing, we are putting our octogenarian hats on
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  Speaker 4: and talking about Quartet, which is Dustin Hoffman's directorial debut
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  Speaker 4: that's playing in town right now. And then going back
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  Speaker 4: to a little, what I think is criminally overlooked film
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  Speaker 4: from from this year, which is Sound of My Voice,
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  Speaker 4: which is the follow-up to Another.
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  Speaker 1: Earth with Rick Marlin. And we have Kentucky Arm Show.
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  Speaker 1: He's very fun. He's a good guy.
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  Speaker 11: Well, we usually have a geek activities kind of intro,
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  Speaker 11: which just consists of what we've been watching.
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  Speaker 1: So I will throw it to you this week, Chris.
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  Speaker 1: What have you been watching this week?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's as geek as much as
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  Speaker 4: it is slightly embarrassing, but I'm finally figuring out just
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  Speaker 4: what's up with Downton Abbey. And I have, in the
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  Speaker 4: past week, watched the entire first season of Downton Abbey.
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  Speaker 1: It's very geeky in a different way.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little more nerdy probably. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I found out that was on Netflix and
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  Speaker 4: I figured I might as well have been watching it
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  Speaker 4: just from my Twitter feed of all the walks of
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  Speaker 4: life people that seem to find it. So I was
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  Speaker 4: especially excited for Maggie Smith today when I saw Quartet.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. No, my favorite thing about that was our local
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  Speaker 1: independent circulating magazine thing here. Actually, in the rundown, he.
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  Speaker 11: Mentioned it as Downtown Abbey, which I was really kind
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  Speaker 11: of thrilled about.
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  Speaker 1: There's a recent episode of Modern Family.
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  Speaker 4: Two of the characters had, I guess, been watching Downton Abbey,
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  Speaker 4: and they'd gone to Disneyland in the episode, and he
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  Speaker 4: called it Toontown, and then got mad at himself.
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  Speaker 1: He had said that. I would watch that, Toontown Abbey.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds... Based on Roger Rabbit. Yeah, I would watch that.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty good.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 13: Well, we've got a lot of dead people to get to,
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  Speaker 13: so I think we'll take a break, and then we'll
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  Speaker 13: come back with this week's topic.
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  Speaker 9: Maybe I should entertain The very fact that I'm the
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  Speaker 9: same I wasn't fooling when I said All.
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  Speaker 2: The people I like are those of the.
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  Speaker 9: Day And I've been around this town and I've seen
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  Speaker 15: I want to tell you of a new motion picture
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  Speaker 15: entitled The Undertaker and His Pals. This movie is a
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  Speaker 15: This is the story of two knife-slashing, axe-hacking, motorcycle-riding maniacs
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  Speaker 1: Well, I love the movies. Welcome to the biggest movie
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  Speaker 1: event of the year.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to have a great night, ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 10: And the Oscar goes to.
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  Speaker 4: And the Oscar goes to.
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  Speaker 1: Nick Ledger. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 17: blissful state of agreement?
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  Speaker 7: I mean, the main characters are two of the dullest
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  Speaker 7: main characters I've ever encountered in any film.
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  Speaker 8: That means you shoot a chin-stroker and punter. One is
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  Speaker 17: Student with a penchant for David Lynch and art cinema.
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  Speaker 1: The other is a man on the street.
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  Speaker 1: It just really isn't.
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  Speaker 8: It's not visually striking.
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  Speaker 5: It's part of your problem, you know. You haven't seen
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  Speaker 5: enough movies. All of life's riddles are answered in the movies.
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  Speaker 17: Chance had the clue.
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  Speaker 1: He was 12 years old.
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  Speaker 5: Fell from the roof on East 2-9.
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  Speaker 3: Kathy was 11 when she pulled the plug.
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  Speaker 1: 26 reds and a bottle of wine. Bobby had leukemia.
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  Speaker 5: 14 years old.
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  Speaker 1: He looked like 55 when he died.
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  Speaker 5: He was a friend of mine. Those are people.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I do whenever stoners come into the theater
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  Speaker 3: to see a movie. If you can tell, they're blazed
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  Speaker 3: out of their mind. It's just you do shit like that.
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  Speaker 3: It's just they ask for you. It's like, can I
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  Speaker 1: Can I have one for This is Lincoln? Wait, do
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  Speaker 1: you work at... You sold me my ticket to see
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  Speaker 1: Quartet today.
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  Speaker 18: You were probably the youngest person.
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  Speaker 7: I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was.
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  Speaker 4: We definitely, as I was saying, I went with my
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  Speaker 4: friend Hope, and we're the same age, and with us included.
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  Speaker 1: So he's very generous.
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  Speaker 3: All the old people want to see Maggie Smith, because
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  Speaker 3: he's working at the downtown Arby's now.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's where they ask for it, and you're like,
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  Speaker 8: are you sure you got the right movie? You're in
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  Speaker 8: the wrong demographic.
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  Speaker 11: And it's time for The Grind. In this segment, we
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  Speaker 11: will discuss a specific topic or question.
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  Speaker 1: Related to movies. And this week's topic, again, comes from.
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  Speaker 11: Beau, who asked us, essentially, it's what performers who have
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  Speaker 11: passed away in 2012 will you miss the most? I
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  Speaker 11: believe your take on it, though, is since the Oscars
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  Speaker 11: are kind of bad about overlooking or sometimes completely omitting
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  Speaker 11: specific actors.
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  Speaker 3: Look at the major ones, like the bit players, the
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  Speaker 3: character actors that typically get overlooked. And I almost think
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  Speaker 3: there's a political element to it as well. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it was like two, three years ago, I thought it
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  Speaker 3: was bizarre that they overlooked Clayton Moore.
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  Speaker 18: It's like the guy was famous for playing.
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  Speaker 3: The Lone Ranger, but I knew that at least in
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  Speaker 3: Hollywood circles, he was not well-liked. So I think they
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  Speaker 3: accidentally overlook actors a lot of the time if.
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  Speaker 18: They weren't in the preferred circle.
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  Speaker 3: So I just thought this might be an interesting way
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  Speaker 3: to kind of make sure all bases are covered prior.
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  Speaker 13: Definitely, because they overlook a lot of people, because Misty's
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  Speaker 13: still boycotting the Oscars because they left out.
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  Speaker 1: Corey Dane when he Which is kind of uncool. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he was in a lot of popular movies at one point.
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  Speaker 1: He'd hit hard times, but still, I mean, he died
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  Speaker 1: for God's sakes. Just show his picture for a second.
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  Speaker 8: He sold a lot of popcorn.
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  Speaker 1: He did. A lot of teen beats. Yeah. So, that
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  Speaker 1: being said, yeah, we'll go ahead and get into it.
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  Speaker 1: Do we have someone specific we want to start?
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  Speaker 3: I guess we're going to go character actors and most
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  Speaker 3: recent work our way back and just kind of skip around.
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  Speaker 18: Charles Durning was definitely the.
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  Speaker 3: Most prolific character actor to die right before the end
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  Speaker 3: of 2012.
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  Speaker 18: I think it was on Christmas Day.
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  Speaker 8: Christmas Day, yeah.
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  Speaker 11: I figured he would come up because most of us here,
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  Speaker 11: I think the Tiger Generation were sucked in by Doc Connery.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I mean, it really, for.
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  Speaker 11: All the impressive, you know, Oscar caliber kind of movies
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  Speaker 11: he was in, I still think probably a lot more
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  Speaker 11: people of that generation will always know him from.
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  Speaker 1: The Muppet movie.
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  Speaker 8: He was the first bad guy I knew. I mean,
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  Speaker 8: I swear, the first real bad guy I knew. I mean,
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  Speaker 8: you could say Darth Vader, but you don't see a face.
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  Speaker 8: You just know the voice. And so, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 8: the first real movie, the Muppet movies, I really remember seeing.
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  Speaker 8: I saw Star Wars, but really remember seeing and loved
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  Speaker 8: every second of it. And I remember, especially him, he
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  Speaker 8: was the bad guy. I also remembered a lot of
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  Speaker 8: Steve Martin, thinking how funny he was in that one scene. I.
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  Speaker 8: As the waiter. But anyway, I'm getting off topic. But yeah, no,
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  Speaker 8: Durning was definitely I never he never broke that character
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  Speaker 8: for me, no matter what he did or what I've
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  Speaker 8: seen of him as an adult. He's always been Doc Hopper.
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  Speaker 11: And then also from that movie in particular, it's impressive
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  Speaker 11: that he is who you remember.
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  Speaker 1: In a movie that's.
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  Speaker 11: Just littered with high-caliber cameos, you still, like, that's kind
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  Speaker 11: of your main human that you remember out of the movie.
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  Speaker 6: Is Charles Dickens.
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  Speaker 18: And I saw a weird thing.
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  Speaker 3: Like, you go back and you watch the original Muppet movies,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's not like what they did later with, like,
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  Speaker 3: Muppet Christmas Carol or some of the others where humans
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  Speaker 3: and Muppets were well-integrated. In the Muppet movie, the Muppets
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  Speaker 3: were like the flukes of.
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  Speaker 5: The real world. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And you almost kind of wondered how that these humans
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  Speaker 3: even coexisted in this world. It's like, they just accepted
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  Speaker 3: they were there, but they were like freaks.
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  Speaker 1: It was like that true freak show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Todd Browning's the Muppets.
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  Speaker 19: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, why was it that Doc Hopper just
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  Speaker 3: had to have like his legs?
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  Speaker 1: Like, do you not realize they're like plush? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: are they plush in that world?
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  Speaker 3: Are you aware that this thing is not flesh and
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  Speaker 3: bone or are you oblivious to that?
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  Speaker 18: Like we're supposed to pretend that it is flesh and
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  Speaker 18: bone in this world.
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  Speaker 1: It's just, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: You start thinking about the mechanics, it's just weird. But
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  Speaker 3: I like the fact that Durning just said the hell
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  Speaker 3: with it and just went full-fledged, you know, method mode
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  Speaker 3: into Doc Hopper. To me, it's just a really fun
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  Speaker 3: role to watch him in. It's like that and Oh Brother,
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  Speaker 3: Where Art Thou? is just another really fun one for
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  Speaker 3: his character. Because to me, I think he steals almost
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  Speaker 3: more of the laughs than most any character in the film.
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  Speaker 18: Do we want to go.
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  Speaker 1: More into Durning or do we want to skip around?
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  Speaker 7: What's his name that died this year? See, I know
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  Speaker 7: he was a character actor, but I only know him
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  Speaker 7: as the lead in Phantom of the Paradise. As the Phantom.
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  Speaker 7: What's his name?
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know his name.
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  Speaker 7: It's so bad and embarrassing that I don't know his name,
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  Speaker 7: but I just know his character.
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  Speaker 1: As the Phantom.
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  Speaker 7: And I know he was kind of a big character
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  Speaker 7: actor in the 70s and 80s. And he was a
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  Speaker 7: big friend and collaborator of Brown to Palmer, and I
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  Speaker 7: think he was in several of his.
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  Speaker 5: Earl Williams?
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  Speaker 18: No, it wasn't Paul Williams, because Paul Williams.
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  Speaker 1: He played, I mean... Paul Williams played... He played Winslow Leach,
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  Speaker 1: and I can remember.
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  Speaker 3: Because Paul Winslow played... I mean, Paul Williams played Swan,
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  Speaker 3: so it's not Paul Williams.
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  Speaker 1: He's definitely still alive.
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  Speaker 5: What's that?
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  Speaker 1: William Finley.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Finley, yes.
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  Speaker 7: Sorry, I can't remember his name, but... Yeah, I know
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  Speaker 7: he died this past year.
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  Speaker 3: It's a fun movie that's just kind of under-watched or under-seen.
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  Speaker 1: What, Phantom?
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  Speaker 20: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I personally prefer it over Rocky Horror Picture Show.
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  Speaker 7: I think it's a better movie. It feels tighter, it
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  Speaker 7: feels more reined in, and the characters are way more interesting,
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  Speaker 7: I think. Even though there's not as many songs in it,
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  Speaker 7: I kind of prefer... the song i mean i know
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  Speaker 7: like because it's it's hard to go up against rock
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  Speaker 7: and roll show because it's like the songs and that
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  Speaker 7: but like.
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  Speaker 3: Stylistically they're similar too yeah they are similar and it's
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  Speaker 3: it's not like i mean it's easy to think that
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  Speaker 3: because they came out the same time it's like oh
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  Speaker 3: maybe like rocky war copied off of phantom but no
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  Speaker 3: rocky war was like a stage show when i understand
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  Speaker 3: before it.
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  Speaker 1: Was the movie.
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  Speaker 7: And I was just recently told that they were released
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  Speaker 7: as a double bill because they were released at the
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  Speaker 7: same time.
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  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: I guess Phantom took a little longer to get going
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: because I think it was the year prior to Rocky.
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was made technically before but they were made
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: so closely together I don't think it's a matter of Yeah,
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: I mean, when I was watching, I was thinking, like,
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: I knew it was the, like, IMDB said it was
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: the year before.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, obviously, Roger Moore copied. But,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: you know, there would be no way. Because they ended up,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: you know, they could have known, you know.
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: They were released at the same time, basically. So it
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: was just kind of a coincidence. It was just kind
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: of a cultural.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Thing with the glam rock.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and just it was a good introductory role for
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Jessica Harper. Because I can't think of any major role
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: she had.
• 18:56
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Prior to that.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, after that, she did Love and Death and Suspiria.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Suspiria was the only thing I'd seen her in before that.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: And then she just kind.
• 19:04
  Speaker 18: Of disappeared, surely, thereafter.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: She was in Sisters, wasn't she? I believe so. I
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: don't know if that was before. Was that before?
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I think she retired from acting to write children's books.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she did.
• 19:17
  Speaker 18: And I feel like it was right after, or.
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: Not too long after Suspiria, where she kind of wasn't
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: in as many movies that I know of.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: Anyway, I just, I thought, like, I hadn't, like, when
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: I heard when he died, I hadn't seen Phantom, like,
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: all the way through before, and then I made it
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: a point to, like, watch him again after hearing about it,
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: because it just, I had never, it never occurred to
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: me to, like, think of the movie, because no one
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: talks about it, really. I mean, there's the new doc,
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: the Paul Williams doc, that kind of brings it up,
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: and there's kind of this cult, I don't, it's not
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: a huge revival, but, like, there's a little bit more
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: interest in it now because of that but still there
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: never was as compared to Rocky at least as big
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: as a you know.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Fervent following thematically I think it's also it works in
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: line with this is Spinal Tap too because so much
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: of it is a parody of the music industry and
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: glam rock at the time.
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, even like in Rocky Horror, it wasn't even that
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: at all. It just kind of used the sound of
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: the movie to tell its kind of own twilights, not twilight,
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: but just kind of like sci-fi kind of riff on
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: B-movies of the 50s. And it really wasn't, you know,
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: like Family Paradise did kind of have that riff of,
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: you know, the Vincent Price kind of, what's the movie that's...
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: where he had a messed up face.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Dr.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Fives?
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: Dr.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Fives.
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: He kind of was riffing on Dr. Fives, but then,
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: you know, the cabinet of Dr. Caligari and stuff like that.
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: But at the same time, it also managed to be
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: the satire on the music industry, and I thought that's
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: kind of what made it especially good. What I like
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: about it, too, is the songs within it are catchy.
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: It's the same with Spinal Tap.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: It's like the songs are making fun of songs of
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: their type at the same time.
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: You want to go out and buy the soundtrack after
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: you watch the movie. I mean, that's kind of what
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: makes it awesome. It has this cheeky kind of... Like,
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: all the characters who are singing the songs are kind
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: of goofy and, you know, kind of stupid.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: And, you know, these crazy characters. But they're kind of like,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: but these songs... Yeah, when they.
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: Sing these songs, these songs, you know, they kick ass,
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: you know, a lot of them. And you're like, yeah,
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: I definitely want to hear that soundtrack.
• 21:24
  Speaker 19: I've got more.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Do you guys have any you want to get to? No,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: go ahead, sir.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: I do.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Dead people, you mean? I've got a.
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: Whole bag of dead people.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: They're already dead.
• 21:35
  Speaker 21: No, this year was actually debilitating for me because two
• 21:40
  Speaker 21: of my favorite Cassavetes players passed, and I was not anticipating.
• 21:45
  Speaker 12: I guess Peter Falk had been sick for a while,
• 21:47
  Speaker 12: but I did not know the things I was going
• 21:49
  Speaker 12: to be departing.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: So, yeah.
• 21:51
  Speaker 22: Yeah.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: And I could talk for the next hour about how
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: fine both those gentlemen were. But just the idea of
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: watching Husbands. Has everybody seen Husbands?
• 22:00
  Speaker 21: It's one of my favorite Cassavetes films.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: And it's the three of them. It's Gazzara and Falk
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: and John Cassavetes. And just having the time of their lives.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just beautiful to watch these three men
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: who loved each.
• 22:10
  Speaker 12: Other so dearly make this film together where they're three
• 22:13
  Speaker 12: men who love each other so dearly.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: And it's just palpable, like, the feeling that comes across
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: watching that film. So.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: This is a tough one for me.
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: Did you post that clip of them on the talk show?
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: The Dick Cavett show?
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Best television. That was pretty... Moment ever.
• 22:31
  Speaker 23: Yeah.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Wanting weird talk shows.
• 22:33
  Speaker 22: Yeah.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Having to deal with that would be a nightmare because
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: they were out of control.
• 22:39
  Speaker 12: But Dick Cabot, I mean, Dick Cabot himself, the show
• 22:41
  Speaker 12: is always interesting, whoever's on it, because he's just such
• 22:44
  Speaker 12: an intellect and such a force, and to.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Have them on it and have them steal it from him.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: But maintain his cool as best he can. I mean,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: they were all over the place. They were a nightmare.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: And yet he, in true Dick Cabot form, he just
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: had it down.
• 22:59
  Speaker 11: He dealt with them and still maintained his calm, Dick
• 23:03
  Speaker 11: Cavett exterior.
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: Also, I just feel like Dick Cavett is just, if
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: you watch, like, in clips of, like, interviews of him now,
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: he's still just as, like, as cool as he was.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Like, he's still Dick, like, you know what I mean? Like, he's,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: you know, you can tell he's aged, but he's still, he.
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: Still feels like he's in touch, or you still feel
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: like he's in touch with, you know, whatever is going on.
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: He just kind of has that aura of cool about him,
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: and I'm just like, you know, in terms of talk
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: show hosts... Like, that doesn't really happen, I don't think,
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: when they age.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: But he was always just kind of the cool guy.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: And every time you talk about just his personality and that,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I can't help but imagine there's an SCTV sketch where
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Rick Moranis plays Dick Cabot interviewing Dick Cabot.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: That's the funniest.
• 23:47
  Speaker 18: Damn thing you've ever seen.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, man, I need to immediately, I need to see that.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Because it's a dead-on impersonation.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: It really is.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 23:55
  Speaker 12: But Ben Gazzara, there was a film that he did
• 23:58
  Speaker 12: that is so overlooked and I think.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Is one of my favorite movies. It's a film called St.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Jack that Peter Bogdanovich did, and I always try to
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: tell everybody to find it. It's hard to get hold of,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: but if you can, get it, because it's a great one.
• 24:10
  Speaker 10: I'm not even a Peter Bogdanovich fan at all.
• 24:13
  Speaker 12: But he plays an American pimp living in Singapore trying to.
• 24:17
  Speaker 22: He plays.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Actually, now that I think about it, he's often, like,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: killing of a Chinese bookie. Like, he's always.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:23
  Speaker 12: Yeah. Which brings humanity to them in such a way
• 24:27
  Speaker 12: that seems almost implausible.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Just picture him as a pimp in the real world. So,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: this was a tough year for me.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: And just realize that you're vexed because most.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: People are going to remember him from Roadhouse.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Which I haven't actually seen.
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: It's only worth watching, I mean, if you have the
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: DVD of it to watch it with the Kevin Smith commentary.
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: It's one of those things, it's like, it's such a
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: weird cult phenomenon, and it's like, I personally couldn't get
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: into it until I saw how enthusiastic people like Kevin
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: Smith were about it, and how much they sort of, like,
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: at the same time made fun of it, but loved it, like, genuinely,
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: and that.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Kind of made me love it too, so I feel
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: like I needed.
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: Kevin Smith to introduce me to Roadhouse.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I need to watch the commentary.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: The first time I saw that, I just remember thinking,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: how serious were the crew even taking this plot.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: When it came around?
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, do they really buy into it, or do
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: they realize that it's just bullshit and.
• 25:25
  Speaker 18: They're screwing with the audience?
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: The best part, I guess all you need to know
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: is that he's a bouncer- who's also a philosopher.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: That's a good way to sum it up. That's all.
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: That should just be the back of the DVD.
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: He'll say, well, because I'm a philosopher, it's that bad.
• 25:47
  Speaker 11: I think you'll have a reason to come back to
• 25:51
  Speaker 11: it soon. I think we're working on it. We're kind
• 25:53
  Speaker 11: of special. Don't you worry.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: Now, how does everybody feel about, I know you kind
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: of brought this in as a character actor thing, and yes,
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: you can put character actor, but it's someone that's so big,
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: Ernest Borgnine.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: He definitely became a character actor.
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly. He didn't start out as one, but I
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: think he's so good at that, you know, identifiable person
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: or role that kind of gets put into that niche,
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: I guess. But I have a feeling that a lot
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: of people are going to, like, especially when the Academy
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: Awards come on, that's going to be one of the
• 26:33
  Speaker 8: big cheers that everybody gets, because he's so identifiable.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: And because he won the Academy.
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: Well, yeah.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'll admit I'm a curmudgeon. I'm not that
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: much of a fan of romantic comedies, but damned if, like,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: if I made a list of them, probably Marty would
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: be in the top five, just because it's an amazing role,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: and he's so damn dang daring. And it's just, it
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: he's basically a lovable lug is the best way to
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: describe him in that movie to where it's just, he's
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: in his thirties. He's kind of in a dead end
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: job and he's got a mom who's just in pecking.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Him about, you know, you need to get married. You
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: need to find a girl.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: And it's just, he, he finds this girl, the detractor
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: is just clueless as to how to, you know, have
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: a successful relationship.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I just absolutely love it. Yeah.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: But I always liked him, um, in the wild bunch too, which,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: you know, For me, when I first started getting into
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: film after high school, I just couldn't get into Westerns.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: I think you have to be a little bit older
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: to appreciate Westerns, just because they deal very much with
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: adult issues and very much male issues, too. I feel
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: almost like they're chauvinistic in that regard. But a lot
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: of the Peckinpah stuff, like.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think, it's Ballad of Cable Hoag, I
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: think is one of them, and Wild Bunch, and a
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: couple of his others, they all focus on basically the
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: idea of just the cowboys becoming outdated. Just all the
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: scenes to where you'll see them like looking at motor
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: vehicles and stuff like that. I mean, it's just a
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: very cool juxtaposition. It's like, depicting the loss of this
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: time in our country's past. Essentially, I mean, the Old
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: West is like the closest thing that we have to
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: American mythology. And it's just sort of depicting the passing
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: of that era with that film and a lot of
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Peckinpah's other stuff, which, speaking of Peckinpah, you were talking
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: about losing Cassavetes regulars this year. One of the remaining
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: two Peckinpah regulars, R.G. Armstrong passed away earlier this year. Really,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: the only one left now is L.Q. Jones, and that's
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: about it. But Armstrong, he was in, I'm trying to think,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Major Dundee, Ride the High Country. Oh, it's going to
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: come back to me now. One of Chris Christopherson, Pat
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Garrett and Billy the Kid, and one other. Pat Garrett
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: and Billy the Kid, I.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Love his scenes.
• 29:08
  Speaker 18: To where Billy the Kid breaks out of prison.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: It's early on in the movie, and you hear one
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: of the other sheriff's deputies shouting back. Basically, there's a
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: scene to where Billy the Kid is running out of
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: the back of the jailhouse, and he's got this shotgun,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: and R.G.
• 29:25
  Speaker 18: Armstrong is playing one of the deputies.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: He comes running up, and Billy the Kid just has
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: the rifle on him, and they're just staring each other down,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: and he's realizing he can't make any kind of move.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: and you hear the sheriff in front of the office
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: shout out, he's like, hey he just killed so-and-so and
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: he just shouts back yeah he killed me too which
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: point then billy the kid shoots him it's just like
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: this great.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Little moment within the film but i.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Always liked um Peckinpah's dedication to trying to get just
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: a ton of character actors. He never really had, I mean,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: even like when he had, say, William Holden in Wild Bunch.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: That was after William Holden had kind of fallen from grace.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: He wasn't really that much of a box office label anymore.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Same with Charlton Heston in Major Dundee. That was like
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: during the low point of his career, so... He always
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: tried to pick these just offbeat character actors to make
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: up his cast versus going for like huge billing names.
• 30:17
  Speaker 18: I don't know if it was a personal preference or
• 30:19
  Speaker 18: maybe that's all he had to work with budget-wise.
• 30:21
  Speaker 11: I think that's just what he liked because some of
• 30:24
  Speaker 11: them wouldn't need the actors like your beloved Donnie Prince.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Your bestest friend, let's see. You wouldn't celebrate how awesome
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Donnie Prince is. Donnie Prince is the greatest human being
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: that ever lived. I knew that was going to be
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: your answer. So he's still kicking around. He's still hanging
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, I don't know.
• 30:41
  Speaker 11: He always had a weird little group that sort of
• 30:44
  Speaker 11: rotated from one movie to another.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Not all of them, but, you know, yeah, there were
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: so many crossovers.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: Along the way.
• 30:51
  Speaker 19: Well, Donnie in that movie, assuming he talked about this
• 30:53
  Speaker 19: when you had him on the show, but Chris wanted
• 30:57
  Speaker 19: him in the film because he was his buddy and
• 30:59
  Speaker 19: he needed his buddy there with him to hang out
• 31:01
  Speaker 19: and shoot and shit. And so he said, we need
• 31:03
  Speaker 19: him in the film. And he was like, well, I
• 31:04
  Speaker 19: guess he could be part of the gang. But, you know,
• 31:07
  Speaker 19: we'll just kind of have him there. And so they
• 31:09
  Speaker 19: didn't have any lines for him. So he was just
• 31:10
  Speaker 19: going to be sort of the dude that stood around.
• 31:12
  Speaker 19: And then I guess at some point, St. Pachypah was like,
• 31:14
  Speaker 19: this feels weird. There's just this guy that's kind of
• 31:17
  Speaker 19: lurking in the background. He's like, all right, we're not
• 31:19
  Speaker 19: going to change the script, but how about if you
• 31:21
  Speaker 19: just repeat things that other people say? So if a
• 31:24
  Speaker 19: character says something, then you just say exactly what they said.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: And that's what he did.
• 31:28
  Speaker 12: So the whole movie, he speaks, but he never has
• 31:31
  Speaker 12: an actual line that's written.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: He did mention that, I think, when we were showing it.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: And then watching the movie, it's like, wow, really? That's
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: just kind of weird. It's just an echo.
• 31:41
  Speaker 13: But to tie it back into the last one, I mean,
• 31:44
  Speaker 13: we've got Ernest Borgnine is also in another of the
• 31:49
  Speaker 13: Peckinpah bunch, which is Convoy.
• 31:51
  Speaker 11: Which, again, I think we're going to have to come
• 31:54
  Speaker 11: back to because I had a weird thing for Convoy
• 31:56
  Speaker 11: as a kid.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I don't even know why.
• 31:58
  Speaker 11: That weird redneck run of movies came about, and I
• 32:01
  Speaker 11: didn't get into most of them, but there was something
• 32:03
  Speaker 11: weird about Convoy.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: That I was just fascinated with on TV all the time.
• 32:07
  Speaker 18: I had a friend tell me specifically not to watch it.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: It's a myth.
• 32:11
  Speaker 24: I'd never seen Peckinpah before. He gave me Straw Dogs,
• 32:14
  Speaker 24: but I loved it. And he's like, you need to
• 32:16
  Speaker 24: watch Wild Bunch and all this stuff. And I said, well,
• 32:18
  Speaker 24: Convoy's on Netflix, too.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: He's like, don't watch Convoy.
• 32:23
  Speaker 25: It's not a standard Peckinpah kind of movie.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he directed it. But wasn't that something else
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: that Donnie said?
• 32:31
  Speaker 12: Well, I mean.
• 32:33
  Speaker 11: I think that was towards the end when he didn't
• 32:35
  Speaker 11: really care to ask about anything. He was just sort of,
• 32:38
  Speaker 11: I don't know, by the end he was dying already and.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Still sort of showing up on set every day. Do
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: we need to check? Yeah, I can't remember. I'm trying
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: to remember the cast of the film. Other than Christopherson
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and Alan McGraw. Hang on a second. Burt Young, I think.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Burt Young is the other director I know.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Going back to Armstrong, with me, I kind of fell
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: in love with him with the movie The Car, which
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I keep saying we need to do an episode.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Because he's on the list.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Just because for me, when it comes to character actors,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: there is a certain extent to which they play the
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: same character. It's like you need somebody to be like
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: some very mincing maitre d' or head of a hotel
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: or something. We'll get Franklin Pangborn. Or, you know, it's
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: like we need some you know, sort of aristocratic, deep-throated,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: you know, fellow who's just.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Going to kind of boss people around. Let's get Eugene Paulette.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: So it's like, I feel like when it came to, well,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: we need somebody who plays a southern asshole.
• 33:43
  Speaker 18: That was R.G.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: Armstrong.
• 33:45
  Speaker 18: And in the car, it's very much so, because.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, his first scene within that, you just hear
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: the shouting going on inside of this house, and this
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: hitchhiker looks over, and he sees this woman thrown down
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: the front porch steps, and Armstrong just walks down and
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: just starts wailing on her. And the hitchhiker's like, uh, hey, mister.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: And he looks at him and he's like, who the
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: hell are you? He's like, I just don't think you
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: ought to be hitting on that lady.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: He goes, oh, you don't, huh?
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: Well, she's my wife.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: It's like just the nastiest introduction you can have for
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: any character.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: It's just so bizarre. And he's like, wait a minute,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: you out here playing with that bugle.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, I was just practicing, waiting for somebody
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: to pick me up.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: It's like.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Why don't you put in the case or else I'll
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: ram it so far up your ass. You'd be farting
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: music for a year. It's like, he just berates anybody who's.
• 34:31
  Speaker 18: On screen in that movie.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I was like, wow, this guy's amazing.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I love him.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: So, but I mean, that's pretty much cause going back
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: to Peckinpah, um, when Peckinpah would, like, cast him, he
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: said if he ever needed someone to where basically the
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: role was like a fellow who could act like a, um,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Southern Baptist preacher who would hold a Bible in one
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: hand and a shotgun in the other, he would go
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: for Armstrong.
• 34:56
  Speaker 18: So, he was up there in the late 90s, I think,
• 34:59
  Speaker 18: when he passed this year.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: But in the way of other Southern regulars since Lucy's
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: still over there searching. But, um, something everyone's going to
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: remember him for playing, you know, in the Andy Griffith show, but,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: For me, facing the crowd, I think, was Andy.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Griffith's best role he ever played.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: It's the same, almost it's the same persona that he
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: had within the Andy Griffith show, but instead it was
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: this character who's just so manipulative about putting on that
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: persona just to get whatever he wanted. I mean, I
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: just thought it was a fantastic role for him. That
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: was pre-Andy Griffith show, was it not?
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: Yes. I think so.
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: He had several roles that were pretty good and pretty
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: big at that point before he got known for that show,
• 35:45
  Speaker 11: before the show came along.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: It seemed like most of his roles still, especially after that,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: he just became that character. He wouldn't.
• 35:54
  Speaker 11: Even as, you know, he rolled into his next TV series,
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: it's not that far removed.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: It's just Andy Griffith is a lawyer.
• 36:00
  Speaker 11: But, I mean, it's, yeah, it's kind of weird to
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: try to see him doing something outside of that, right?
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I never really got into the Andy Griffith thing. A
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: lot of people love it. I acknowledge it for being,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: you know, what it was and being a pretty good show.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I just never really got into it. So it's weird
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: to see him.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, for me, it was one of those regular
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: reruns on television to where I grew up with it.
• 36:20
  Speaker 18: So I just kind of got into it.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, I think it was aided by all
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: the different actors he was working with. I mean, once
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Don Knotts left the show, it was almost unwatchable.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: He's pretty amazing.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember the character actor who played Floyd
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: the Barber, but he was another one who was just
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: entertaining no matter what episode he was in. But yeah,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: later on as it transitioned to color and you lost
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Don Knotts and that, it just lost.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Focus more on.
• 36:49
  Speaker 11: His relationship and all this other stuff came in.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: It became less funny.
• 36:54
  Speaker 18: It almost tried to become a serial in and of itself.
• 36:56
  Speaker 18: It just didn't work.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Did you find which unit? James Coburn. He was the
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: second unit director, and I've been told that he pretty
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: much was running the show. I can see, again, Coburn
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: kind of did that once as well. Yeah, I guess
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: he was trying to get his DGA card, so he
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: jumped on and then took the reins.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: But, yeah.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Gordon Knight in that one is, he's just, he's the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Roscoe P. Coltrane in that movie. It's just, it's kind
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: of silly. You're talking about, you're talking about Convoy.
• 37:23
  Speaker 22: Yeah.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, because I.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Was going to say it's like half the cast of
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid that was thrown me
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: off there.
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: And really, it just rolled into that one and they just, yeah,
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: I mean, it does seem, it's a very different mood
• 37:34
  Speaker 11: for him and it's very strange watching, you know, Gordon Knight,
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: even if he, like, he has a weird acting style
• 37:39
  Speaker 11: and he would always take himself so seriously but sometimes,
• 37:43
  Speaker 11: especially as he got older, he got sillier And they
• 37:45
  Speaker 11: gave him these really.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Kind of silly roles, and this is one of those.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: It's like, he really is. It's just kind of mimicking
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: a Smokey and the Bandit idea, you know? Really, it
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't fit what he's sort of known for before that.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I guess probably more so after. If we're doing Ernest Borgnine, though,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the first one that always comes to mind for me
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: is Side Adventure. Again, I've mentioned it before. A weird
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: fixation on that movie as a kid. I don't even...
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: fully understand why I like that movie.
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: It was on a lot? It was on TV a lot.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: It was on a lot, but not, I don't know.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think who's still around from that. I mean,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Gene Hackman is about the only one because, I mean,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: in recent years, you know, Red Buttons and Leslie Nielsen
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: and Shelley Winters have all been.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: In the dust. I guess the kids are still there.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of any of the why or
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: the other, like the minor sort of Silly, right?
• 38:44
  Speaker 18: Wives are still around. But I don't think they are either.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I think Hackman's the only one that's still kicking from that...
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Of the main cast.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:53
  Speaker 11: But, I mean, to throw that group of characters in
• 38:57
  Speaker 11: that situation, you kind of need that.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the robo is, you know, Borden and his character.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: You kind of need him. He has to be there
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: to counterbalance Gene Hackman. Because, you know, the Reverend Scott
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: guy is so.
• 39:10
  Speaker 11: in control and self-assured and he needs somebody there to
• 39:13
  Speaker 11: just naysay.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Everything he does.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:14
  Speaker 11: To just be, hey, you know, he's kind of a
• 39:16
  Speaker 11: tough guy and he wants to be in control but
• 39:18
  Speaker 11: he can't, he can't take charge the way he needs.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: To but he needs somebody to butt heads with him
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the whole time.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 39:23
  Speaker 11: As the plot goes on and he feels that. Like,
• 39:27
  Speaker 11: he's kind of annoying but at the same time it's
• 39:29
  Speaker 11: another one of those, you know, Hackman kind of knows
• 39:31
  Speaker 11: he's the next best thing he's got when he needs
• 39:34
  Speaker 11: somebody to count on he still knows he can count
• 39:36
  Speaker 11: on but they just argue almost the entire movie but
• 39:40
  Speaker 11: I don't know he does that so well in that
• 39:42
  Speaker 11: role he's kind of an obnoxious character but he makes
• 39:46
  Speaker 11: it work so well I.
• 39:47
  Speaker 18: Thought you were going to say Willard.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: There's another real classic. Many people are fine. That's one
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: that's still not on DVD.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, I just still have an old VHS of that.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: I thought when they remade the thing, they would have
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: released it, but no. Which actually, that's one where I
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: like both the original and the remake for different reasons.
• 40:08
  Speaker 18: I think both of them have positive elements to them.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: But, yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Board nine's a hell.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Of a lot of fun in that too and he's
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: playing a similar role to what he does in poseidon
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: adventure just sort of a bullying archetype yeah he's good at.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: That especially as he got older.
• 40:27
  Speaker 11: Except towards the last third of his career it was
• 40:30
  Speaker 11: just like joke they kept sticking him in the worst
• 40:33
  Speaker 11: like if you look at that last third of his
• 40:35
  Speaker 11: run on imdb it's It's some scary stuff.
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: That he did.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Unless you look at his voice work.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: He did a lot of voice work for animated series.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: With live-action movies.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: No.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: He ended up in a lot of junk.
• 40:46
  Speaker 11: And, like, that was the joke, is they would be like,
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: star an Oscar winner or a winner? And, like, they
• 40:51
  Speaker 11: thought it was funny that they could say that an.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Oscar winner in a movie, but it was kind of sad.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because the only one that pops into mind for
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: me is that Merlin's Mystical Shop and Magical Wanders, the
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: thing that Mr.
• 41:01
  Speaker 18: Sons Theater tore apart a couple years ago.
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: I just think there's a whole generation of kids that
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: are going to think of him as Mermaid Man.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. See, that he was good at. I liked that stuff. Yeah,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: the voice work was a lot better than most of
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: his live-action stuff went down.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, it kind of goes back to what Lucy
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: was talking about earlier, about Peter Falk's earlier stuff. It's like,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: how many people aren't going to know him for anything
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: prior to Princess Bride?
• 41:30
  Speaker 11: Well, you're missing out on all the Marvels, damn it.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: They're classy.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: I've got.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: three non-actors, if we can allow it.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: The first is a duo that were actually involved with
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Star Wars.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting when you look at it.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of people other than George Lucas, and
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: sometimes in spite of George Lucas' best efforts who prevented
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: Star Wars from ending up like the ridiculous storyboards from Argo, two.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Of which we lost this year.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: The first one was Bob Anderson, who was an Olympic
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: fencer and actually uh, was the double for Darth Vader
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: during the, during the lightsaber fight.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: He kind of did all of it in that first one.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: He was the, he was the third guy after James
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Earl Jones who does the voice and then David Prowse
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: who does, who was Darth Vader's body.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: In every other scene.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: The interesting thing there is he was in pretty much
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: absolute anonymity because George Lucas had this strange thing where
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: he wanted to preserve the idea that Darth Vader was
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: all done by one person. So for years, no one
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: even knew who he was until Mark Hamill eventually outed him, um,
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: because he felt bad for him, but he was 60
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: when he first did that first Star Wars movie. Most
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: recently was the sword master on the Lord of the
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: Rings trilogy, died this.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Year, 89.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: The second is Ralph McQuarrie, who was a, he had
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: me at work with a concept artist, designed Darth Vader, Chewbacca, RTD2, C-3PO,
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Cloud City, all those huge vistas, and actually got his
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: start as a technical illustrator for Boeing.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Which I thought was really interesting. This stuff's amazing.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: And then just a general shout-out, this musician, guitar player
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: named Skip Pitt, his claim to fame was that he
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: did the guitar flange riff for the original Shaft soundtrack.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: So pretty much there's a good chance any Blaxploitation film
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: where you hear a similar riff to that, that is
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: this man, Skip Pitt, who also passed away this year.
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: Almost as important as any character in that.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: In that genre, yeah.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: And the way of going back to, just like, you know,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: I thought of this when you mentioned Doc Hopper being
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: one of those villains from your childhood memories of movies
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: you grew up with. I grew up watching Monster Squad
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: all the time when I was a kid. And Leonardo Cimino,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: who played the scary German guy, he wasn't the main villain,
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: but if anything, he was the older sidekick to them.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: He passed away.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: And he's on to where he didn't start doing acting,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: at least, I think he mostly did stage work up until, like,
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: he was in his 50s or something, before he started
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: getting involved in film. That's definitely his most prominent role
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: that I can think of, because, I mean, he has
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: little bit parts here and there.
• 44:18
  Speaker 18: I remember he played, like, the Baron's doctor in Lynch's Dune.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: And he popped up in little things like Waterworld and
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Creatable Rock for, like, brief moments.
• 44:29
  Speaker 18: But nothing as major as that.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: Just.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, I always thought it was just a very,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: very funny.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Role that he had.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: There's another one where it's like, it makes that little blip.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: If anything, it's half the time, whenever you see these
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: headlines listing them on IMDb, it's like, scary German guy
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: from Monster Squad dies.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: They don't even give him the name right off the bat.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: They just list the role that you would most know
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: them for.
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: You don't even name them.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:56
  Speaker 21: Somebody I'd like to mention in terms of character actresses
• 44:59
  Speaker 21: and who I don't think anybody paid any attention when
• 45:01
  Speaker 21: she passed was Susan Tyrell.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Who's probably best remembered for the Forbidden Zone.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: Had no idea.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: I thought that was last year.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Was it this year or I thought it was last year?
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was this year. She was in
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Fat City, which is one of my favorite John Huston films.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: It's incredible. It's a really great film. Also a Chris
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Christopherson tie-in.
• 45:21
  Speaker 10: I actually thought about being her character in Forbidden Zone
• 45:23
  Speaker 10: for Halloween, but I.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Just couldn't find the right dress. That would be awesome.
• 45:26
  Speaker 18: You couldn't find a dwarf to go with.
• 45:28
  Speaker 12: I know, yeah. Well, she and Kirby Villashez were really
• 45:31
  Speaker 12: in love. I mean, they had a relationship for a
• 45:33
  Speaker 12: number of years. And then she, I guess, had a
• 45:35
  Speaker 12: rare blood.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Disease and had to have her legs.
• 45:37
  Speaker 12: Amputated and has been living in Austin sort of, I think,
• 45:40
  Speaker 12: doing a one-woman show before she passed. I mean, really
• 45:44
  Speaker 12: fascinating person, really troubled, but really talented. I mean, Fat City,
• 45:48
  Speaker 12: she's so good in it.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Looking through, there weren't a ton of actresses. It was
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: all old white dudes, really.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Celeste Holm is the main actress that I can think
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: that was lost this year.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: And Rutherford was gone with the wind. Remember Rutherford passed
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: this year?
• 46:04
  Speaker 18: I don't even remember that.
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: I've just been thinking of people who passed years before 2012.
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: I mean, just because of movies I just recently watched.
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: I mean, kind of get into old gangster character actors.
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: Like Lionel Stander, who was like, he died in the mid-90s.
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: But I always thought he was like, he always made,
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: he was just one of those character actors, like, you know,
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: the best character actors that just automatically make whatever movie
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: they're in.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: No matter how crappy it is.
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: Because, you know, usually character actors, if you look at
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: Phil Laugherty, it's fairly uneven. Sometimes it's a great movie,
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: and they'll, you know, they'll be awesome in it, but
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: they're always awesome. And, like, he was just one of
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: those gangster actors that was like, oh, when he shows up,
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: he's sick. the most badass gangster probably in any movie
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: I've ever seen.
• 46:50
  Speaker 18: I mean, I think that could be said for character
• 46:52
  Speaker 18: actors in general.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: For me, whenever I'm.
• 46:54
  Speaker 18: Watching a film, I already know who's going to be
• 46:56
  Speaker 18: in it based.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: On, like, the posters.
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: As to who are, like, the lead and the lead
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: actresses and supporting. But you wait until, like, you get
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: to that fifth or sixth credit screen and you start
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: seeing the little bit names popping up.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, she's in there.
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: He's in this. It's awesome.
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: And he's, like, my favorite part of, like, one of
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: my favorite movies, Blast of Silence, and he's just the
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: voiceover narration guy. And he's just, like, he's just one
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: of those actors, like, just the fact that someone thought
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: to make him a, you know, a voiceover narrator is
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: just crazy. Because he just, you wouldn't take something like,
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: you know, like a Cagney or someone like that. You
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: wouldn't make them, you know, tell a whole story through voiceover. But, like,
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: he's the best part of that movie, I think. Like,
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: it's his, him telling... It's one of the best examples,
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: I think, too. I usually hate voiceover work in movies.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: In Blast of Silence, he's just so perfect for it.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: It's this pulpy kind of.
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: The dialogue is kind of cheesy when you think about
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: it on paper, but the way he delivers it is
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: so convincing.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: It works so well.
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: What I first heard about him was that movie, and
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: then I was interested in the other stuff he was
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: in for that. Because by then, he was kind of blacklisted,
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: and he couldn't get work. and he had been just
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: shown up in big parts in gangster movies in the
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: 40s and 50s, I think.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go back and re-watch Blast of Silence,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: but I remember that was one of the things that
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: kept taking me out of the plot was the narration
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: versus immersing me more into it. I think it was
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: just the back and forth between the constant narration and
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: then switching over to dialogue in and of itself.
• 48:30
  Speaker 18: I think it would have liked one or the other.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: I actually think it would have worked as a silent
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: film if you had the narration only.
• 48:36
  Speaker 18: And there was just sort of a.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: A series of films like it at the time, because
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: there was.
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, like I said, he's the best, but even the
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: main guy, the director, actor, came in the same.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Because they did The Thief, which was the Ray Moland
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: film noir, and there was no spoken dialogue in that,
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: nor no title.
• 48:52
  Speaker 18: It's not like it was a silent film where title
• 48:54
  Speaker 18: cards came up.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: It was just not spoken. And same with Dementia.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Which I can't even remember who wrote or directed Dementia
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: because that was the only thing that fellow did. It
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: was based on like a series of nightmares his secretary
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: had had.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: He went ahead and made the movie based on that.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a fantastic little like it's like a
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: 50 minute short. It's if anything, when you see it
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: you realize it was made in the mid 50s it's
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: like this thing was decades ahead of its.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Time it's kind of overlooked but I'm yeah I.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: Don't blast a song so I just for some reason
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: it was the narration I think was too excessive for me.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: You see it kind of like I it I know, like,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't know this until after I'd seen it.
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: Like, I knew.
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: Then I read afterwards that the guy who directed and
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: acted in it, and that was, like, his only thing,
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: which kind of sucked so much and been interesting to see,
• 49:41
  Speaker 7: because it's such a good first feature.
• 49:43
  Speaker 18: And that's what intrigued me to watch it.
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: Is that, like, it just has this comic book aesthetic,
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: and I found he was, like, a comic book illustrator, or, like, writer.
• 49:53
  Speaker 10: He was.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: That was his.
• 49:53
  Speaker 7: You know, he wasn't even a filmmaker. He worked in
• 49:56
  Speaker 7: comic books before that. That kind of made sense to me,
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: just the way.
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: how i.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Mean just because comic books.
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: Are you know usually i never have a problem whenever
• 50:04
  Speaker 7: i look at comic book like with the narrative like
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: that just it absorbed me all the more and it
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: just totally made sense that you know the one example
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: where a voiceover narration where it's it's permeated that much
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: throughout the movie that heavily it works so well it
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: comes from a person who you know comes from comic
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: books and i kind of like oh that's interesting i.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Also liked um The one thing I did like about
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: that was the fact that it was all set at Christmastime.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: That's what... That was.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: For that to have it, you know, be that sort
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: of biting and satirical in that era was very uncharacteristic.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Because typically if you have anything that's set at Christmas,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: you know, it's going to be it happened on Fifth
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Avenue or shop around the corner or something else.
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: And what I like about it is like in the.
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: And like, you know, there's a lot of those.
• 50:49
  Speaker 18: Not a lot, but.
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: I mean there's several famous examples of like kind of the...
• 50:53
  Speaker 7: I guess it started in the 60s. I really don't know.
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: But the Hitman movie where he was really cool and precise.
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: We were just following the method of the Hitman. You're
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: talking about Samurai. Samurai, stuff like that. This was the example.
• 51:10
  Speaker 7: This was what stuck out for me with this movie.
• 51:12
  Speaker 7: He was just such a bitter person. It was all
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: about him. He wasn't cool or anything. He was just
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: a bitter, angry person. And like, like you said, the
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: Christmas thing, the juxtaposing with the Christmas just added to that.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Just like, oh yeah.
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: And of course, you know, I'm going to kill this
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: guy on Christmas. Like I hate everyone. Like it just,
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: it added to it. And like, you know, that the
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: sequence where he's walking across Times Square and, And you
• 51:36
  Speaker 7: hear all those carolers, and there's a big tree in
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: the background. You can just see that he just hates
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: all this. They'll have all these pretty shops.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: That he goes by, and he's going in, and he's
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: talking to this fellow, and this rundown apartment over him.
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's just blocking it out with his hatred, and
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: the voiceover narration is just saying, you hate these people,
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: don't you?
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: And he's just like, yeah, and it's... Yeah, yeah, that's right.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: It drove me.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: Crazy, though, just when it was, just like, you hate
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: these people, you hate this whole city. It's like, I
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: get it, it's enough, it's enough. But it just kept
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: going for me. I think if you tone down a
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: little bit of the narration, maybe, I think that was
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: about the only thing that really bothered me about it.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: It was just, it felt like it was, of course,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was experimental in and of itself, the
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: way it's done. So, you know, I think it, at
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: that point in time.
• 52:26
  Speaker 18: I mean, you could have gotten one or the other.
• 52:27
  Speaker 18: It was just, if anything, it's just very, very new.
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: I'll just lump, you know, gangsters with Hitman right now
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: and just say that it probably is my favorite of those.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Like, I would put it up there with Goodfellas. Like, personally,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I totally get why people would be like, you.
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: Know, it's not this masterpiece, it's kind of this more obscure,
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: kind of weird movie, but I have just something about it,
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: like the whole comic book aesthetic and, like, the bitterness
• 52:51
  Speaker 7: and the setting.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Of Christmas that just.
• 52:55
  Speaker 18: I was really drawn towards that movie.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, Jean-Pierre Melville, he did a lot of those
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: films that were focused on that, because he did Samurai,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: that's the one he's the most well-known for.
• 53:03
  Speaker 18: I love Le Cirque Rouge.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: I kept hearing rumors they were going to remake that
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: with Orlando Bloom and a couple other people, and they
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: were just going to flat out call it The Red Circle.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Interesting. Thankfully he died.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: And Dolos, I mean, it just basically focuses on thieves
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: and criminals and all the stuff, and just how there
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: is no honor amongst thieves.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: Ultimately, really, none of the main characters in any of
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: his films end up well. I want to say Rafiki,
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: but I don't think Rafiki is his.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: I want to say that's Goddard, maybe.
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: None of those guys in those movies ever have a
• 53:38
  Speaker 7: happy ending.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: That's one thing that pretty much never changes. They either
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: die right before, you know, they're like, oh, I'm going
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: to change. Even with, what was the George Clooney movie
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: that came.
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: Out that was trying to be like the samurai character?
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: A couple years ago. A couple years ago? Yeah, it
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: was like he was the hit man.
• 53:58
  Speaker 8: Oh, the American.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: The American, yeah, yeah.
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: I mean, it was totally like, it still followed the whole, like,
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: you know, oh, wait, you know, the last minute, maybe
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: I can be someone, I can give up this life,
• 54:09
  Speaker 7: you know, I can do this one last hit, and
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: it's like, oh, no, you can't.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: You're, you know, you're just going.
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: To, like, last minute.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: The whole idea of the one last job thing has
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: just been done so many times, too.
• 54:19
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:21
  Speaker 18: It definitely is a cliche.
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: Blast of Silence definitely does have that cliche, for sure.
• 54:27
  Speaker 11: If we want to jump back to women.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: That was a much more beautiful segue than what I
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: was going to... Well, like I said, I mean, Celeste Holmes...
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: There's no.
• 54:40
  Speaker 8: Way to do that anyway!
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Are you about to mention Phyllis Diller? I had her
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: on my list. I don't know what to do with her.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: She's kind of awesome in her own weird way, but...
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: She didn't have a lot of film work.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: She was mostly just kind of TV bit stuff.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was herself.
• 54:55
  Speaker 26: But then she kind of did the Charles Turing career trajectory,
• 54:59
  Speaker 26: or no, the Ernest Borgnine career trajectory, where she started
• 55:04
  Speaker 26: doing voiceover stuff in the latter years.
• 55:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Ernest Borgnine should have been on Scooby-Doo. He would
• 55:10
  Speaker 8: have been a great, you know... Mike Philistella.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Mike Philistella.
• 55:14
  Speaker 8: He would have gone in really well.
• 55:16
  Speaker 11: Anybody, that's like a place of honor for anyone that,
• 55:19
  Speaker 11: you know, if you've got to be a guest as
• 55:22
  Speaker 11: yourself on there or your own character, like if you
• 55:25
  Speaker 11: were one of those few people that got to be
• 55:28
  Speaker 11: a live person guest starring on Scooby-Doo, that's pretty impressive, really.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: There was only a handful of them. That's why Jerry
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Reid will always be cool. Not everybody. I guess Sherry's
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: the only one still around, though.
• 55:42
  Speaker 8: Phyllis diller some of the harlem globetrotters might still be
• 55:45
  Speaker 8: around i know that they did that because they wanted
• 55:52
  Speaker 8: whatever shaggy had yeah.
• 55:58
  Speaker 11: But yeah phyllis diller i don't i don't know what
• 56:00
  Speaker 11: else to do with her she was she could just
• 56:02
  Speaker 11: acknowledge her greatness and move on Although I did see
• 56:05
  Speaker 11: a movie, I may have to go back and find it.
• 56:07
  Speaker 11: I think it may be one for us to watch later.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Because there was one or.
• 56:10
  Speaker 11: Two that she was in, and there's one that looks
• 56:13
  Speaker 11: like a nightmare that I think we'll probably have.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: To come back to. What is that? Pink Motel? I
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: like it already.
• 56:22
  Speaker 8: Pink Motel?
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:25
  Speaker 8: Wait, wait, the way he said it, it sounded really creepy.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know why.
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: Or the way I said it?
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the way you said it, it sounded like, like
• 56:34
  Speaker 8: Brian was like, it was a question, but it was
• 56:36
  Speaker 8: a little bit, maybe a little bit more light. And
• 56:38
  Speaker 8: I was like, oh, okay, that sounds like it'd be fun.
• 56:40
  Speaker 8: You said it, and I was like, yeah, that's going
• 56:42
  Speaker 8: to be scary.
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: Well, it is.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: It's her and Sleuth Pickens on a motel. I'm sold now, actually. So, yeah,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I think we're going to have to come back to this.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: What year is that? Like, 80, maybe? Somewhere early 80s.
• 56:58
  Speaker 22: It was one of those, probably ended up on VHS
• 57:01
  Speaker 22: and nobody rented it.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: I can only keep my fingers crossed and hope that
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: he's co-manager with Andy Devine. I just want to hear
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: conversations between those two.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just picturing those two.
• 57:15
  Speaker 8: Just turn the camera on and go.
• 57:17
  Speaker 20: Just throw odd-voiced people together. Before Nick Nolte dies, I
• 57:23
  Speaker 20: want him... and Robert Loggia, Gary Busey, and just, you know,
• 57:29
  Speaker 20: Elaine Stritch.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: They're all these gravel-voiced actors and actresses together.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I don't care what it is.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: Just put them in something, and you're going to need
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: subtitles because it's going to be just so rough to
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: listen to.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: They're all in love with Kathleen Turner.
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:44
  Speaker 8: You know who we lost this year?
• 57:48
  Speaker 18: And Bacall.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: There's another one.
• 57:52
  Speaker 8: Richard Dawson. which that you know for somebody he was
• 57:58
  Speaker 8: he was playing a role I think anyway on his
• 58:00
  Speaker 8: show or on Family Feud but he did such a
• 58:04
  Speaker 8: good job of changing it just a little bit for
• 58:07
  Speaker 8: the running man that it it was he was.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: A creepy character he was amazing in the running man
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: yeah he was a really creepy character.
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: He changed my whole view like he's one of my
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: you know like you can't even watch Family Feud now
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: because you're like Ooh, I don't think he's a good
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: guy anymore.
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, like, I seriously, like, I mean, of all
• 58:26
  Speaker 7: the movies I've seen, because I grew up watching them
• 58:28
  Speaker 7: on TV, and it's still one of my favorite movies
• 58:30
  Speaker 7: of all time. And I honestly think Richard Dawson in
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: Running Man is one of the best movie villains.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: I seriously think this. And I experienced it in reverse.
• 58:39
  Speaker 12: Oh, really?
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: I saw Running Man was on, like, TBS or something
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: when I was a kid. And then I was introduced to.
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: Somebody picked up, you know, syndicated, like, old reruns.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Of Family Feud, and I was like... Really uncomfortable. When
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: he goes in for a kiss, you're like, what? The
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: electric guy's going to jump out of his closet. Yeah,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: the movie kind of ruined it. I never really thought
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: he was, the kissing was always really creepy to me.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I never really thought he was a good guy. Did
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: you know that he stopped doing it because his daughter
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: asked him to? And that's actually the daughter of the
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: woman that he met on the show.
• 59:13
  Speaker 12: There was a girl that came into one of the families,
• 59:16
  Speaker 12: and he was like, I felt this instant connection with her.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: And so after the show, I asked if we could
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: go out, and she said, okay, Richard Nossman. And they
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: went out, and then they married, and they were married
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: for decades.
• 59:25
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: That's incredible. Yeah, but yeah, they had a kid, and
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: I guess at some point the kid was like, um, dad?
• 59:30
  Speaker 21: So, I see you kissing other ladies on the TV,
• 59:32
  Speaker 21: and I'm not super comfortable.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: With that, and so he stopped. That's good.
• 59:37
  Speaker 11: But, no, that's, like, the perfect example of, like, a
• 59:40
  Speaker 11: character actor kind of performance.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Like, somebody really, I mean, he had been an actor.
• 59:44
  Speaker 11: I mean, he did, you know, his whole stint on
• 59:46
  Speaker 11: Hogan's Heroes, and he was, like, you know, on Match Game,
• 59:49
  Speaker 11: and he was more known for being.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Himself, really.
• 59:52
  Speaker 11: And then, like, again, almost put his Family Feud career
• 59:56
  Speaker 11: in jeopardy and, like, take this role that's doing this
• 59:59
  Speaker 11: weird view of it, you know what I mean? It
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 11: takes that same idea and just puts a spin on
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 11: it and makes him a horrible person. So, I mean,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 11: it really could have, like, I don't know that it
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 11: ruined his career. He still ended up doing that for years,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 11: but I think he took a chance there that most
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 11: people wouldn't have taken. And, I don't know, it turns
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 11: in this amazing performance that, again, for the rest of
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 11: his time, I was just like, well, I mean, family feud, eh,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 11: but he.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Was amazing in the running mail. Like, it always put
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: him on a higher shelf. I'm just like, eh, just
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: a weird guy hosting a game show, but you watch
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Running Man. If only Bill Cullen had done something like that.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: He's great.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: I don't think you could see an Alex Trebek doing
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: the same thing.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: No. If he did, that would blow my mind.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 8: But Pat Sajak might be able to do something like that.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: Or if he'd still been around, the co-host for Price
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: is Right, Rod Roddy.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised he wasn't in The Running Man.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 7: I felt like it would have been logical to just
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: throw him in as one of the bosses.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he was the guy with the jetpack, wasn't he?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Richard Dawson, he's such a badass in The Running
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: Man that he just, like, you know, in the scenes
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 7: where it's like he's in the control booth, like, he
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 7: can just totally, like, threaten, like, Jesse Ventura and Arnold
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: Schwarzenegger and not give a shit and be.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I, you know, like, and totally... be, like,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: you know, be.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 7: The boss of those guys and just go out and
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 7: still do his whole family feud. Like, he still had
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 7: the family feud act.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: But it was just so, like, it was such a
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: great role. And his death when they put him in
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: the pod.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 7: And he's just, yeah, and even up to the, like,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 7: the last minute, he's trying to be all, you know,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 7: charming and apologize.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Like, hey, you know, it's just Brady, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: And Arnold Schwarzenegger just shoves him in the slot. It
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: looked like a fun slide.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 8: Like, I want to go in that thing. And it's just, like,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 8: you know, and... shoots out it's just it's it's great
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 8: it's definitely an underrated movie.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: It's a great drinking game movie you know as are
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 7: most of Schwarzenegger's movies but this one particular like it
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 7: has pound for pound the most amazing Arnold Schwarzenegger one-liners
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: I think in any of his movies I mean including
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 7: like this it gets the point like I this is
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 7: this my I think this still holds the you know,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 7: the title of my favorite one-liner in any movie, you know,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 7: not just in all sports, but any movie is where
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 7: he just, they just defeat the, uh, the, the, the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 7: game show boss called Sub-Zero. He's like this big Samoan
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: dude who, you know, he's like an ice, he's like
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 7: a hockey goalie. And, you know, his, his, his, uh,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 7: hockey stick is like this blade weapon. Anyway, his name
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 7: is Sub-Zero. And they just, you know, all sports just
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: killed Sub-Zero. And he looks up at the camera, you know,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 7: everyone on the game shows watching him.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: He's like, It's like, here's Sub-Zero. Now, plain Zero.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 26: It's just so cheesy.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 8: They should have had that writer for when he was Mr.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Freeze on Batman and Robin.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: I was thinking, that rivals some of those.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 7: I tell everyone this repeatedly, this one line, and it's
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 7: just my favorite. I feel like I've said it already
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 7: on the show once or twice even, but it's.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: Just such a great.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 18: Arnold one-liner.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 11: The Richard Dawson performance is so good that it makes
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 11: me wish that were.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: A better movie.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 11: It makes me wish they wouldn't have given it to
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 11: Arnold Schwarzenegger because they weren't supposed to.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: It's a great story.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 11: Obviously, because they keep kind of ripping it up and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 11: doing other movies like that now. It would be so
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 11: much better if they were, and do you know who
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 11: was supposed to be cast in that original?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Was it written for someone else?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 11: When it was just a script and they were throwing
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 11: it out there, I mean, I guess it was taken
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 11: from the novella or whatever it was, and then they
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 11: turned it into a screenplay.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: They initially wanted it to be Christopher Reed.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 11: Now, how much more serious would it have been with
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 11: him in the lead?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Is it a Philip K. Dick story? It's a Stephen
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: King story. It's Stephen King. Yeah.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 7: And, like, he even takes, he changes his name, I think,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: in the credits of the movie. Like, it says based
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 7: on the story by some other, and it's just some different,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: and it's some pen, pseudo, like, pen name or something.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: It's really Stephen King's.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 11: It's a story, but I mean, imagining them doing a
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 11: really serious version.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, like Total Recall, it's a clever, you know,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 7: sci-fi story, but because Arnold Schwarzenegger's in it, it just
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: becomes an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. And like, what's one of,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: you know, one of, Starsky or Hutch, one of those
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 7: guys directed it.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: Like, they want to, well, I don't know his name,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 7: but one half of Star State Hutch directed The Running Man.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: He did, of course.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: He was directed by one half of Star State Hutch. Yeah.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised that wasn't his name.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: We think it might be Hutch.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 13: Oh, wow.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I, for some reason, and I always lump it
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: together with RoboCop, it seems like it lives in the
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 8: same world as the two of those.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: RoboCop is definitely, it's the better movie, and it's a
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: better satire.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 8: It's cleaner, yeah.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 7: It's, it's, uh, But Running Man, there's such a childhood.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: I mean, a lot of it I was probably nostalgic,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: but just such a joy that comes whenever it's on TV.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Again, it's a great pod. I wish it was done
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: not so silly. Yeah. Arnold Schwarzenegger. I have something to
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: say about Family Feud.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 23: Okay.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I should say it. No, it's
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: something that's always bothered me.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 12: Okay, because you were saying that that might have jeopardized
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 12: his Family Feud career.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: But I feel like that show's always been very dark. Like,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Ray Combs. Like, Ray Combs passed.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 12: And you found out, like, how much serious shit had
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 12: been going on with him. And then they're like, who
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 12: will we get to replace him?
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: I know. Louie Anderson. I mean, it's so messed up.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 21: He's turned to comedy as therapy. I feel like that
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 21: was purposeful. Who seems just enough on the edge that
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 21: they could do something really fucked up is Louis Anderson.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I just never understood that. And was it last
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: week we were talking about how it's become a race war?
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Was it talking to you?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 18: It's Richard Karn who's the host now, isn't it?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: He was Steve Harvey for a while. Steve Harvey is.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 8: Great with innuendo.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: But now he's got his own talk show. I think
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: it's Richard Kahn now. At some point, I don't know
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: his name, but it was Al off of Home Alone.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Richard Kahn. I think he was in between. He
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 8: was in between.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: I think Steve Harvey is the most recent, right? I
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: think so. Maybe it's just Donald Trump.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: I've heard.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: No, so I'm thinking of.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: I guess something that prices right was Drew Carey.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 18: Took over Bob Barker, yeah.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: And then now it's like, is it Wayne Brady or someone?
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Or that's, let's make a deal.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: Okay, sorry.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: I'm getting my game shows mixed up.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 8: You better get those right.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 18: As far as I'm concerned, John Hurley can just.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: Do all of them.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 18: Because when he was doing, God, it wasn't match games.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: The thing was to tell the.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: Truth was what he was doing for a while. He
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: took over for somebody else. It's like he's obviously been
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: slumming ever since Seinfeld went off the air trying to
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: figure out something to do. He just has sort of
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: like a presence about him where it's like he seems credible.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: I trust him as a game show host.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: There's nothing shady going on behind the scenes with him.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: I feel like Whoopi Goldberg would be the perfect host
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: of the newlywed game.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Because he could be like, where's your favorite place to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: make Whoopi?
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 12: Nice.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 19: Wow.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: It's so bad I can't believe it's not on. Hollywood Squares,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: I think, is the thing that John Earl is doing now.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 8: I didn't know that was still on.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: That will forever be the game show.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: I'll just always remember as the thing that was on
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 7: TV when I was doing homework in middle school.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 8: It was always on.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: When I come home from school, all the squares were
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: just on TV. I was like, well, it's time. I
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: guess I'll do homework.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 18: The bottom of the barrel squares.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 8: It's a carrot top.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: I actually auditioned for that when I first moved out
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: to Los Angeles. And I've forgotten, I've suppressed this memory
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: until right this very moment, but it was when she
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: was the center square, and Whoopi was. And there was a.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 23: Very high-stress audition process where they throw you into a
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 23: simulated game, and they tell you all of the ways.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: That you can and cannot interact with the squares.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 23: And her deal was you can call everybody by their
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 23: first names except whoopie Goldberg.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: And she's Ms.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: Goldberg.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: And so they throw a bunch of stuff.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: Out at you.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 21: And as you're trying to answer these questions, you also
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 21: have to remember the power dynamics of how you're supposed
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 21: to talk to the squares.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: You think you're the next Tom Arnold? You can't answer.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. There are a lot of them, but
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: that's the one that stuck with me. It was like,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: you cannot call her Whoopi. She's always.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: But did they at any point teach you the rules
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: of tic-tac-toe?
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 8: They just assume you already did. That would make a
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 8: great movie, you know, seeing someone try out her game shows. So, Brian,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 8: who were you thinking of?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: For the female side, the major.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 22: And granted not an actor, but uh nor epron who
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 22: i didn't love a lot of her stuff but i
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 22: mean almost just give her credit for being there and
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 22: you know directing movies at a point when they were
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 22: still kind of closing out a lot of female directors
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 22: and I thought you were going.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: To say Whitney Houston.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 11: She's on the list, but I mean, she really hasn't
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 11: turned in good stuff after Gimme a Break.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, it was all.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 11: Now, granted, I haven't seen Sparkle yet.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: But the verdict is still out totally. But, yeah, my
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Gimme a Break days is the end of her. But, no,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Nora Ephron, I think the only thing with that... I mean, she...
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Not even her stuff... There's some good ones. I actually, like,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: I think probably the best for her is Sleepless in Seattle.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 6: I think.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: To me, that was the most tolerable of that type
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: of movie. It's very cheesy, but it's supposed to be.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: But as the other ones went on and some really
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: bad ones got thrown in there, Michael.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Ouch.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 8: I don't know what to do with that one. Yeah,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 8: that just took her down a notch.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Bewitched. Took her down a couple. Anyway, but no, I
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: give her credit for, again.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 11: Not so much artistically what she delivers sometimes, but for
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 11: showing studios that a female director could be financially capable
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 11: You know, it's.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: At a time when nobody was really doing that.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 11: And she did sort of mainstream movies that actually made
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 11: a whole lot of money. So that's, I think, an
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 11: accomplishment for, you know, female directors more than anything else.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 7: Sorry to interrupt, but like who, I don't know like
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 7: which of these two because, yeah, was Pippi Marshall, was
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 7: she like more, which of those two like found success?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: Commercial success. She hits first, Penny Marshall.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 11: She definitely gets credit for, I mean, there's always been
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 11: minor here and there, but yeah, Penny Marshall was sort
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 11: of the exception to the rule at.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: That point, and Nora Frankel.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 11: Kind of came in along that same time. She was
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 11: already starting to build up. Penny Marshall had such a
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 11: short run there. It was like by mid-90s, she had
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 11: already sort of moved on.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 7: And even like, I mean, yeah, like Catherine Bigelow, was
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 7: Point Break kind of big?
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: Catherine Bigelow was always there at that point, but nobody cared.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Near and Dark was before Point Break. Near and Dark was. Yeah,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: it was like in the 80s. It was like in
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: the 80s, and nobody cared.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 11: And nobody ever gave her credit other than Patrick Swayze.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Like, I remember at the time watching him just like,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: he was all over her about what a badass director
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: she was, and people were just like, whatever. Nobody cared until,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: you know, two years ago.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 11: But yeah, it's funny that she'd been making stuff consistently that.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Long, and just nobody.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Most people wouldn't even know who her name was before
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: she got an Oscar.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 24: I always had a soft spot in my heart for
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 24: Nora Ephron, because I grew up with six sisters, so
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 24: I watched a.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: Lot of her. I didn't like a lot of them,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: but you've got mail for whatever reason. That's what I'm...
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: I always enjoyed and still to this day. It's just
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: kind of a fun, nostalgic thing.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 8: I swore at the time that that was a sequel
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 8: to Seagulls in Seattle.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Is it? Unofficially. It's the remake of that.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 7: It's the Evil Dead 2 to Seagulls in Seattle.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 8: I swear I've seen this before.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Kind of. Now they don't like each other. Sort of.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 24: The only other movie of hers I've actually seen because
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 24: I haven't scene sleeps with Seattle was Julie and Julia,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 24: which I found to be a really interesting viewing experience
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 24: because I really loved the Meryl Streep segment and I
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 24: really hated the Amy Adams segment.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: It goes back and forth.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 24: I keep going back and forth between I love it
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 24: at this moment, I hate it at this moment.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: I've heard that before, actually. I've had other people say
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: that that was the balance. Big surprise, Meryl Streep's good
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: in a movie. Yeah, I've heard that before from you.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 24: Yeah, like, that whole segment was just excellent. If she
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 24: had made a whole movie just about a Julia Child,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 24: it would have been just a fantastic film. But Amy
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 24: Adams' part just kind of pissed me off.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: If we're doing directors, do we even touch on the
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: big ones?
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 11: I mean, it's certainly not a forgotten person, but, I mean,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 11: do we just want to skip over Tony Scott?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: Because it's his own episode, really. I would love to
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: talk about it if we get the chance, I mean.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: It totally could fill another episode.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: No, no.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was definitely an auteur.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 11: And, you know, another one of those that found mainstream
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 11: success and never really got any credit.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Again, he would always be in his brother's shack.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, he would never get any credit. And
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: it's like, I always thought it was the weird thing.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 7: Like, you know, I just consider, like, when I look
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 7: at Ridley Scott's filmography, to me, like, I know there
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 7: were commercial successes. Like, I mean, Thelma and Louise, like,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 7: I don't love them as much as, like, you know,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 7: Most people do.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: But I feel like, you know.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 7: After Blade Runner, there's this, like, almost 20-year gap where
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 7: you just didn't really make anything good. And, like, Tony Scott,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 7: for me, consistently, just during the 90s, especially when, like, really,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 7: Scott wasn't really doing anything that really was worth mentioning.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: He was knocking them out at that point. Tony Scott
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: was knocking them out of the park. I mean, like,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: pretty regularly.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 7: I mean, even the ones that, I mean, like, something
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 7: someone might dismiss like The Last Boy Scout, which I
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 7: think is an awesome movie.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: Stuff like that. Like, you know.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 7: Days of Thunder is actually kind of awesome. Like, seriously,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: it really is.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: For what it is. For what it is. No, like, seriously.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 7: Like, he just had this cheesy, like, you know, you
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 7: would look at the, if he was one of those directors,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 7: you would look at the VHS covers of his movies
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 7: and the story would be like, oh, you know, this
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 7: piece of shit.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: But, like, the way he, like, did them.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 7: Was just so cool and so kind of, he had
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 7: this badass kind of, I don't know, like, Days of
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 7: Thunder almost has, like, a Western vibe to it. Like,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 7: it's just, the way he approached it, these genres was
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 7: just really interesting.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: And like, I, I don't know, like I, I'm not
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: saying I prefer him to.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: Ridley Scott because the movies I do love that Ridley Scott,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: you know, I mean, like I, there's Blade Runner and
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 7: Alien are some of the best movies I've seen, but
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 7: Tony Scott, I mean, he, he's certainly up there. I mean,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 7: I don't see one as lesser.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Than the other.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 8: Well, also, I mean, just thinking about Top Gun alone,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 8: every aviation film that came before that, was crap in comparison.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 8: I mean, as far as just showing the planes in,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 8: you know, in flight and showing a dogfight and having
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 8: some understanding of the dynamics of how the planes fly
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 8: or where they are in the sky or this person is,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 8: you know, in position to shoot down this person. There
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 8: were lots of those World War II.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 8: It shows stock footage and people taking off and cuts
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 8: and planes, and it's just sad. It's bad. And then
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 8: all of a sudden Top Gun comes along, and I
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 8: can't think of anyone before that that has any worthwhile
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 8: scenes of it. And just for that, and since then,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 8: every film after that stole everything he did from Top Gun.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 8: And I swear sometimes you even see some of the explosions.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 8: All that's ripped straight out of Top Gun.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 8: So, you know... It's one of those.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: Technically, he was great. Right. I mean, there's the thing is, like.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 8: He would have had side out if it weren't for
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 8: Tony Scott.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like he made it a.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: I don't know if he was conscious of this, but, like, even, like,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 7: his movies that aren't quite maybe as good as others,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 7: like maybe Enemy of the State, which was, like, a
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 7: big kind of hit, like, commercially, but, like, he.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Still, like, for, like, film geeks, he still.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 7: you know, made sure to, like, include all these obscure
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 7: character actors in these cool roles, like, in these movies.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: And I just, I thought it was really cool. You know,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: there wasn't, there wasn't any other director that really.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: I just realized my favorite Tony Stark movie is Crimson Tide.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Crimson Tide is awesome.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. Oh, hell yeah.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: It's kind of frowned about now, but yeah. That one,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: and I still think True Romance is amazing. Yeah, and
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: also True Romance.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 11: Daring someone else with Tarantino's writing is really weird.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: I was just about to say that. And he handles
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: it really well.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel like he, I can't imagine any other director,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 7: like it feels like you're watching, it's basically a Tarantino movie,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 7: like in the... the box set of, you know, the
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 7: Tarantino box set of all his movies that just came out. Like,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 7: they include true romance. And that just kind of makes
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 7: sense because it feels like you're watching... It's, you know,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 7: you're watching a Tarantino movie.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: It sounds like you're watching a Tarantino movie. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 7: I mean, if no one had told you, like, if
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 7: you don't know that much about, like, you know, the
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 7: stuff he's directed, like, if no one had told you
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 7: Tony Scott directed, like, if I didn't know, like, I
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 7: would have totally believed.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: It if someone said, you know, oh, this was... Quentin
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: Tarantino directed this. I'd be like, yeah, I would have
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: bought that.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: That Dennis Hopper monologue before Christopher Walken is incredible.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: And it felt... And it just feels like, I mean,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino just... made that movie. I mean, like, he
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: was able to translate his voice so well. The Gary
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: Oldman scene.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 11: And that one, the dialogue doesn't surprise me that that
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 11: came from Tarantino, but having it delivered as amazingly as
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 11: Oldman does, it's, that was the point, I was just like, well,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 11: whatever he does from here on out, alright, Gary Oldman,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 11: that and the professional, it's.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: Like, whatever he can do, I don't have a word
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, I was surprised when Tony Scott died
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: how old he was.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 12: Because I guess I sort of just perpetually, I mean,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 12: it makes sense the length of his career, but I
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 12: just always sort of perpetually imagined him as like a
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 12: 40-year-old person.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the kind. Because he made films that were.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 7: His movies are really energetic and like fun and like
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 7: these kind of hip, kind.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: Of like the last several, like, Enzo Washington movies.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 7: Those just, you would see, like, those are the kind
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 7: of movies that, you know, if another director was directing,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 7: there would be some young, hot shot director, you know,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 7: doing that, like, you know, unstoppable, taking.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: A pill one, two, like, stuff like that. That's what's
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: weird is he got stranger as he got older.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 7: His visual style definitely took a distinct turn.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: And it kind of stayed that way.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 11: That second half of his career, he sort of comes
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 11: into his.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Own and finds this new visual style. It's pretty consistent.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 7: The oversaturated saturated look and the kind of weird but
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 7: not jump cut but like how it would be like
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 7: i don't know how to describe the film i don't
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 7: know the technicality of like what what the technique.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: Was that i used but it was you.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 7: Know it would kind of blur out and it would
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 7: cut to you know you know, an alternate kind of
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 7: view of that same shot.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: Like a frenetic style. Yeah, real frenetic was a good
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: way to describe it.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 7: And like, I feel like there's like Man on Fire
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 7: was where he really took that.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And then Domino just like went crazy. Oh
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: my God. Oh my God. But that's what I mean
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: to be doing that kind of like.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 11: Really revolutionary film style stuff when you're the old guy
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 11: that he kind of was at that point. Like that's,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 11: That's impressive that he was still trying to push the
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 11: envelope and do new things when he was, you know,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 11: at that point, a lot of guys retire from the
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 11: business already.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 12: I know I always try to bring things around to
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 12: either Harry Dean Stanton or John Huston, but I feel
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 12: like John Huston was the other director that had that
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 12: sort of same career path where he started out as.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: A young man and then became an old man but
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: was still, you know, keeping up with the kids. Yeah,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: kind of doing different stuff all the way. And always reinventing.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: The only major one I can think of that we
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: haven't already touched on is Michael Clark Duncan, because that
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: one was sort of the surprise of this year.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: Was it a heart attack that he had? I think
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 8: I think that's what it was.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: I was more surprised by the fact that, what, he
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: was engaged to Omarosa? I don't know.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 25: I think that's what I heard, that she was the
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 25: one that made the call.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: Did I misread something? You can think that. I don't
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: really know, so we'll let you think. I'm going to
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: do some fact-checking right now. I don't want to start
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: that rumor. That is unfair to him.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 11: But yeah, he's always remembered for The Green Mile, and
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 11: that's his big showy role.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: But I was like, of other weird little roles that
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: he was.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 11: I mean, of anything that was good from Planet of
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 11: the Apes, he's amazing in that.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Like, that's not a good movie. He's one of the
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: best part of it. Well, him and Tim Roth. Him
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: and Tim Roth make that movie worth watching.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: But make it worth seeing.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: The Rick Baker makeup makes that watchable.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 11: Because I don't even like what they did with the
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 11: ape characters and how they changed it so it doesn't
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 11: really make any sense with the original story, but.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: No, to me, like, the whole remake of Planet of
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: the Apes, the thing that didn't work, I mean, if
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: you go back and you watch the Pest one, he's there,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: by the time he escapes Ape City, if you, like,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: track it, it's like he's been there for three months.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: He's been there a long time, and he's seen one
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: of his friends shot and stuffed, and he's seen the
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: other one, like, part of his brain cut out, and
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: even when they first land, his... fourth friend is, you know,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: decayed because the time.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 18: Capital or whatever it was cracked in, you know, the landing.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: And so he's been in essentially almost like an asylum.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: He's treated like shit. He sees all these humans treated
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: like shit. And so by the time when he finally, like,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: wants to break free, I mean, you're like, hell yeah.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: And he doesn't even become like this revolutionary per se.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: He's just, for the better part, wanting to escape on
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: his own, and he's taking, like, the one girl with him.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: And even, like, when he's riding off at the very end, it's.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: All about him.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: But when you watch the Tim Burton one, it's like
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: Mark Wahlberg is there for, like, 48 hours.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Not even a day.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: And he escapes, and everyone's following him.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and suddenly he's, like, this huge revolutionary character, and
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is... Because he has pretty gadgets
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: that he shows off. Yeah. It just didn't work. There's
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: a lot. There's a lot that doesn't work, yeah. That's
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: one of those.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 7: Movies, like, it just, one thing, it just doesn't feel
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 7: like it's, it just screams second unit when you watch it,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 7: you know, like it doesn't, no, the only Tim Burton
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 7: aspects come out there.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think Tim Burton knows how to, he was
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: trying to do, well, I mean, he'd done Batman, but
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: it's just, somehow he couldn't handle that action.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think he even knew what he wanted to
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: do with it.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 11: But that, I mean, to me, that was the saving grace,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 11: were those two performances.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: And that was something like kind of big and a weird,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: different kind of role for Michael Clarke Duncan.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 11: So that's what I think of, you know, other than
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 11: Green Mile, which I already used.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: Well, he's one of those people who didn't really do
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: much after he got his Academy Awards nomination for Green Mile.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: He kind of coasted in the whole nine yards.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 18: Yeah, in Daredevil.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Kind of the same role. Armageddon was his first movie. Yeah,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: that was kind of... That's train wrecking space. I can't
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: deal with Armageddon.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 8: I still teared up when the little kid brings the
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 8: space shuttle to meet his dad that he's never met. Sorry.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: I did. I'm on it, man.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: Nice try.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 7: I cry every time Steven Tyler shows up on the
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 7: crater and he has all the dynamite.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: And right before he blows up, he's like.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 8: He screams.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: And it's just... I mean, it's just... The dip.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 19: I don't want to admit to this, but I was
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 19: at my mom's house doing laundry, and she was watching
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 19: Two and a Half Men, and.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: It was Michael Clarke Duncan in an episode of that show.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: I thought I missed it on that. I was like, oh, wow.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: It was really uncomfortable watching that show.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 8: Marlene sees all the bad things that.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 6: Her mom's having.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: Isn't it some sort of my part to say that
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: Roland Emmerich did Armageddon?
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 8: That would probably have been better. It's Michael Bay.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: I would have preferred him.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: I would have liked to have seen Roland Emmerich try
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: to do the remake of Poseidon Adventure, just because he
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: is almost like an Irwin Allen in his own right.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: I would have rather seen that, yeah. Well, you mentioned
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: Herbert Long.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, Herbert Long, the quintessential chief inspector.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 18: On all the Pink Panther films.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 8: So, I mean, all of them, I think... It's not
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 8: from the whole.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: Rest of his career, but.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: It's funny that that's how most people knew him as
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: he got older.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because, I mean, that's what I grew up associating
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: him with. Because, I mean, out of all of them,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: I think Pink Panther Strikes Again is my favorite of
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: them all, just because that's the one where it's truly just...
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: It's him and Inspector Clouseau, and all of that, but,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, within the first film, just within the Pink Panther...
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: Clouseau is almost sort of an incidental character, as is Dreyfus.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: And then Shot in the Dark becomes more focused on
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: Clouseau and his interactions with all these people, and Dreyfus
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: starts taking a larger role. And by the time you
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: get to the end of Return, that's Return, the third one,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: that's when they've established Dreyfus was this villain. If anything,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: out of all the characters in those films, Dreyfus was
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: the only one that really had a story arc. Because really,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: Clouseau didn't change.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: He stayed the same.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: But Dreyfus went from being this very respected chief inspector
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: of the Circe to essentially getting to the point where
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: Clouseau's driving him crazy and he's turning into a murderer,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: and then by the time you get to the fourth film, it's.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: Just he's absolutely nuts.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: It stops trying to give you a formalized plot and
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: just gave you a bunch of silly vignettes, but I
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: think it's the funniest of them all for that reason.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 11: Those all ran together for They played them so much
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 11: on TV, and I never knew which one was on then.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 11: They were funny, but I need to go back and
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 11: watch them individually and give them an identity, because it
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 11: just became Pink Panther movies.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 8: I always shut them off when the Pink Panther was stopped. Yeah,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 8: that was my favorite part.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: Objectively, Shot in the Dark is the best of the series,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: but I do think that Strikes Again is the funniest
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: of the series.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 18: And then after that, you get into.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: there's revenge, which is just.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: Kind of, I mean, you can tell that Peter Sellers
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: is like sick and that, and he's not enjoying himself. And,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: and I think they made trail, which wasn't even like,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: it's just clips that they cut from other movies pieced together.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: And it just, yeah. But no, I mean, family opera
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: is still, you know, yeah. I love the hammer fan
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: of the opera with him.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 11: And, uh, he has also what kind of Dracula it's
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 11: him as a model scene.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Into that one. He's got Nemo and Mysterious Island.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: And Mysterious Island, I remember he's kept a name. Which
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: one is he Van Helsing.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: In, though?
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: The 1970 Counterkill.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, I haven't seen that one. I thought when you
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: said Dracula, I was thinking Horror of Dracula.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: Is that the Christopher Lee or is that the Andy Warhol? No,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: that's the Christopher Lee. That's Christopher Lee. I just haven't
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: seen it. He's in Lady Killers. He's in some pretty
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: high-end stuff.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've forgotten about him being in Lady Killers opposite
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: Alec Guinness. And that's one of those movies to where
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  Speaker 3: You know, a lot of people didn't like the remake
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: of Lady Killers, and I argue it's like, I own
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  Speaker 3: both the original and I own the remake, because people say, well,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: on the Coen Brothers' Lady Killers, it runs out of
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: steam three-fourths of the way in.
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  Speaker 18: I'm like, so that's the original.
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  Speaker 1: I have never met anybody that liked that movie. Which,
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  Speaker 1: the Coen Brothers? Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I saw it a few years, and I laughed my
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  Speaker 7: ass off.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you've got.
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  Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean, Irma P.
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  Speaker 5: Hall.
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  Speaker 18: I honestly think Irma P.
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  Speaker 3: Hall should have gotten a Best Supporting Actress nomination for that.
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  Speaker 1: Because she is just very, very good in it.
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  Speaker 12: See, I've always thought it was such a strange choice
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 12: to remake that and to remake it in the way
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 12: they did.
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  Speaker 1: Because it has the sort of silly, folksy story that
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: nobody believes anymore, but then added just a lot of.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 23: foul language so you've like alienated the crowd that would.
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  Speaker 12: Like that movie by adding the language.
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  Speaker 8: But I think I picture them putting it on on
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 8: a Saturday when they don't have anything else to do
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  Speaker 8: and just laughing their asses off you know they don't
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 8: care that no one else likes it they love it
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 8: what made it.
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  Speaker 7: So funny for me is because i you feel like
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 7: the coen brothers might be above like just putting a
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 7: bunch of fucks in like a movie like that like
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 7: just overloading it but just the fact that they weren't
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 7: afraid to be so dumb like the movie is just
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 7: funny in just a real dumb way like like dumb
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 7: and dumber funny you know what i mean like it's
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 7: that kind of funny and the fact that the coen
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 7: brothers are doing that just i thought that was kind
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 7: of awesome like they really haven't made a comedy that Like, low-brow.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: But so, like, at the same time. It's the only
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: role you'll see Tom Hanks.
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  Speaker 3: Playing a villain, and I think he's genius in it.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 18: Everything he says in that movie.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: He does seem to be having fun.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: Everyone seems to be having fun.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, I can see what you're saying, the Wayans
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: brother that's thrown into the mix.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, but.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: He's annoying and everything, and not only that, but he
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: makes sort of a funny juxtaposition with the sort of
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: traditional sensibilities.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 18: That this R.M.P. Hall character has.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, otherwise, if you hadn't thrown those characters in,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: you might as well have just made it a period.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 18: Piece, which it would have worked as a period piece.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, it almost works as a.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: Very strange companion piece to O Brother Where Art Thou,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: because there are similarities in the way the stories are done,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: and also just, you know.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: The musical.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: selections the way it shot a lot of things and
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: i think maybe that's what threw a lot of people
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: off they almost expected it to be another oh brother
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: where art thou and the fact that you did have
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: like your foul language and all that stuff it throws
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: you off but no i think there's a lot of
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: fun to it i mean it's the same as the
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: original one i mean yeah it's once once you get
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: past the bank robbery and then the criminals are picking
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: each other off it's like that's when it kind of
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: slows down.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 7: I mean, as a comedy, to me, I think it
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 7: works way better than Burn After Reading, which to me
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 7: just totally fell flat and was miscast and was just weird.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: The one that I've never seen that I've heard nothing
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: positive on is Intolerable Cruelty.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: I actually love that movie. That's the one I haven't seen.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: That's the one I've not seen.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: That's the only one of their comedians I haven't seen either.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it since it came out, so that
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: might be a 180 show topic.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 26: I really loved it.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: We might get back to it if we ever do.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: Someone on a plane once.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: Well, we can start to round it out here. Is
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: there anything that we've left? Is there anybody left? I've
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: got a couple more that are minor, but is there
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: anything else?
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 12: I do just want to jump in and confirm that
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 12: Omar Ripsa and Michael Clark Duncan were, in fact, dating at.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: The time of his death. It's just him.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 12: It said his girlfriend slash secret fiancé, which I'm pretty
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 12: sure means after he died, she was.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: Like, yeah, we were engaged.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: She was like, I can have a lot of stuff.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: I can have a lot of stuff.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 8: She killed him.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: From all those kingpin action figures when they get sold
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: at big lots.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 25: He just stacks them I just want to give a
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 25: shout out he's not an actor he's a director to
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 25: Oshima because Empire of Passion.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 7: Is like one of my favorite films and I was
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 7: just kind of bummed to hear about that this was
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 7: like just last week but yeah just shout.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 11: Out to him well if we're doing impressive directors but
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 11: granted I brought this up when he passed away on Facebook,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 11: and I'm sure he wouldn't have made it. But Larry
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 11: Hagen was known for most TV roles, but he is
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 11: the director of Beware the Blob, his only feature film.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: He did a little bit of TV, but that was
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: the only film that he directed.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 11: The 1972's Beware the Blob.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: So, you know, Larry Hagen seemed like a good guy.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: I got to like him a little bit.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 18: I was never a huge I Dream of Jeannie fan, so.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 27: yeah I mean just for that but I mean even
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 27: movie wise I love the blob as a kid just
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 27: the original and the fact that he wanted to make
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 27: a sequel or somebody suckered him into making a sequel.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: One or the other like 20 years later too.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 11: Yeah yeah it was like way after people took care
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 11: I don't know I just thought that was funny so.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: Um Jack Klugman was huge but again mostly TV.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: I guess Club Angry Men yeah movie role what kind
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: of comes to mind for me yeah And.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 11: Then I'm assuming the Oscars probably won't do a big
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 11: shout-out to Zalman King.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: Who also, I don't think I'd realize, died this past year.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: How will we have Richie Dyer in that? Director of
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: Two Moon Junction is gone, guys. Come on.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 11: Anyway, so if we have nothing else, I've got one
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 11: more to wrap it up. Okay, so my last one,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 11: and this was one, as soon as I got to it,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 11: I was like, of people that died, and again, a
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 11: Character actor because they had an entire other career that
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 11: was a way bigger career. Levon Helm turned in an
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 11: amazing performance in Cold Minded's daughter.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: Having just watched it this past year. And I got
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: midway in and had no idea that's who it was. Like,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: he's so unrecognizable. It's impressive. And Carrie is the beginning
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: of that movie.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 11: That whole dynamic between him and his daughter is sort
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 11: of what sets the structure for everything in her life, basically.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: So, I don't know. I thought that was.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 11: an impressive, lesser-known person, at least in the acting world,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 11: but he was in that.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: He was in the right stuff, so he did.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 11: A few acting roles over the years, but that was
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 11: always such a weird thing. Just him as a, even
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 11: as a musician, he was always strange. The band was
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 11: such a weird grouping of people, like, he's from, like, Arkansas, and, like,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 11: they all seemed like they were New Yorkers, and then
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 11: you get into the backstory, and they're from Canada, so
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 11: they're Canada, but they hang out in New York with Scorsese,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 11: and they hang out with Pop Dylan, and then this
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 11: guy from Arkansas shows up and starts hanging out.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: Actually, it reminded me, I think Pat Engle died this year.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: If not, it was at the end of last year.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: Everyone remembers him from playing Commissioner.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 18: Gordon in the Batman movies, you know, Bert once, but.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: For me, I always loved his role in Norma Rae,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: just being her father, and.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: That is just, I mean.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: He kind of just did little bit comedic parts. I
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: think the last comedic role I can picture him in
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: is he was the owner of the team on Ricky Bobby,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: the Ballad of Ricky Bobby, which disappointed me.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 18: Because I was like, I really wanted that to be.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: A scathing middle finger flipped towards all the NASCAR fans,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: but instead it was like, a loving little tribute.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: And I was like, fuck you guys.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: You had the opportunity to do something edgy and funny
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: and you went the safe route.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 11: It's hard to make fun of Red Nets because even
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 11: when you blatantly make fun of them, they still.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: Say hell yeah.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 8: See, I don't know because I know a lot of
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 8: people that love NASCAR that hate that movie. I was
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 8: going to say, I feel like that would totally rip
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 8: NASCAR a new one. They have a French guy that
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 8: comes in and can easily beat any of them at
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 8: any time and makes fun of them. You know, I
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 8: don't know. And that... The only reason the hero of
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 8: the movie wins is because he pretty much lets, the
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 8: French guy lets him win. I don't know. I kind
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 8: of loved it for that.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: It's going to be so exciting.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 8: I live in Bullitt County and I hear it.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: Quoted all the time.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 8: But see, that's the genius of it is they're being
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 8: made fun of and they don't know it. They're making
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 8: fun of themselves while they're making fun of it.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: They can't have teenagers quoting Cartman on South Park.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 8: So I don't know. I definitely appreciated it for that.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: We're out of dead people. I think so.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: Somebody's dying tonight.
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  Speaker 6: Probably.
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  Speaker 10: Early in the morning When the church bells toll.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 5: The choir's gonna.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 14: Sing And the hearse will roll.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: On down to the graveyard Where it's cold and gray.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 10: And then the sun's gonna shine through the shadows When
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 10: I go away.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 14: Don't want no sorrow For this old orphan boy I
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 14: don't want no crying on the tears of joy.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: I'm going to see my father. I'm going to see
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: my father. And I'll be bound for glory in.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 9: The morning when I go.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: Away I'll be lifted up through the clouds On the
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: wings of an angel There's only flesh and bones in
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: the ground Where my troubles will stay See that storm
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: over yonder It's gonna rain all day But then the
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: sun's gonna shine through the.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: Shadows When I go away.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: I'm going home, lift me up when I'm free. I'm
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: going home, lift me up when I'm free.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: I'm going home, lift me up when I'm free.
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  Speaker 2: No more trouble No more crying No more trials Home
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: to leave my worries Home to leave my troubles Home
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: to leave my trials And I'll be bound for glory
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: in the morning when I go away All my kin
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: who loves me.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 14: All my friends who care I look beyond the dark
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 14: clouds We're gonna.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: Meet up there When they lay me in.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 14: The cold ground Bow your heads and pray And I'll
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 14: be bound for glory in the morning When I go away.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: And then the.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 10: Sun's gonna shine through the shadows when I go away.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: I'm going home. No more trouble. I'm going home.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 5: No more crying.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: I'm going home.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 5: No more trying.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going home.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: To leave my worries in the dream.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: I'm going home.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 14: No more trouble No.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: More crying No more triumph Home to leave my worries
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: in the graveyard Home to leave my troubles in the
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: graveyard Home to leave my trial And I'll be bound
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: for glory in the morning.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: When I go away.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: And the sun's gonna shine through the shadows when I
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: go away.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: Ah, when I go away. When I go away. When
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: I go away.
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  Speaker 10: When I go away.
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  Speaker 2: When I go away.
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  Speaker 14: When I go away.
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  Speaker 1: I totally like it.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: Did you already mention, uh, did we talk about Charles,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: was it Charles Durning?
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: Charles Durning?
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You say you're not paying attention. That's how it started.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: I feel like in the back of my mind, I
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: was like, Charles Green was mentioned.
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