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018 - Katherine Parr - The Final Queen · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: Hi everybody, and welcome back to you and what the
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Speaker 1: You're a supare Fluis host Katy Charlewood, felthy heathen and
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Speaker 1: reader of books. Welcome if you are new, and welcome
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Speaker 1: back if you are if you're not. And wow, we
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Speaker 1: are on the last Queen. We've made it. I made it.
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Speaker 1: I made it. I don't know how I made it
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Speaker 1: because I started late in the month and somehow managed
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Speaker 1: to pull this off. What okay. I am notorious for
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Speaker 1: not being able to follow through on things like I
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Speaker 1: will have a great plan and I'll start doing something
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Speaker 1: and then I'll always fall like near the end. But
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Speaker 1: here we are proof I can finish a task. Screw you, ADHD.
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Speaker 1: You don't own me, and I know what you're thinking.
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Speaker 1: You're thinking, quit your jibber jabber and fact me. Well, okay,
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Speaker 1: but as you know, we have to get our source
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Speaker 1: on first, so let's start, shall we. We have Katherine Parr, wife, Widow, mother, survivor,
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Speaker 1: The Story of the Last Queen of Henry Eighth by
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Norton, Katherine Parr, Henry the Eighth's Last Love by
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Speaker 1: Susan James, Katherine the Queen, The Remarkable Life of Katherine
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Speaker 1: Parr by Linda Porter, and of course we have the
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Speaker 1: ambulanfiles dot com, Biography dot com, and History dot Com.
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Speaker 1: There we go, So let's let's just let's get into
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Speaker 1: our facing, shall we. Catherine Parr was born in fifteen twelve,
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Speaker 1: probably in August, which honestly is probably the closest date
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Speaker 1: we've had for somebody, I think since Catherine.
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Speaker 4: Of Aragon, right, Yeah, like we haven't had like a
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Speaker 4: decent or exact or you know, anything when could even
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Speaker 4: argue could be an exact date for any of the
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Speaker 4: queens I think until this, But yeah, that's it's pretty good.
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Speaker 1: So Catherine Parr was the eldest child of Sir Thomas Parr.
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Speaker 1: He was the lord of the manor of Kendall in Westmorland,
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Speaker 1: which is now Cumbria. By the way, and Maud Green,
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Speaker 1: daughter and co heiress of Sir Thomas Green, Lord of
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Speaker 1: Green's Norton, Northamptonshire, and Johan Fogg, So Sir Thomas Parr
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Speaker 1: her dad. He was a descendant of King the Third,
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Speaker 1: and the Pars were a very noble northern family which
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Speaker 1: even included knights. So Catherine had a young brother, William,
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Speaker 1: who was the first Marquess of Northampton, and a younger sister, Anne,
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Speaker 1: who would become the Countess of Pembroke. So her dad
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Speaker 1: he was this close companion to Henry eight, and he
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Speaker 1: was rewarded with responsibilities and incomes, with positions including the
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Speaker 1: Sheriff of Northamptonshire, Master of the Wards and Comptroller to
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Speaker 1: the King. And this is on top of being Lord
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Speaker 1: of the Kendall. Her dad's all buddy with Henry eight.
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Speaker 1: But her mother, Maud, she was a friend and a
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Speaker 1: lady in waiting for Catherine of Aragon, who was Katherine
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Speaker 1: Parr's godmother, and as far as we know, is who
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Speaker 1: she was named after. Itsu she kind of funny when
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Speaker 1: you think about it, because Katherine Parr's godmother is Queen
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Speaker 1: Catherine of Aragon, and so like Henry the Eighth's life
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Speaker 1: comes like full circle, his married life comes full circle,
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Speaker 1: Like how weird is that? So Catherine was born probably
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Speaker 1: in August in fifteen twelve, and like initially they thought
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Speaker 1: it was the Kendall Castle in Westmorland, but it was
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Speaker 1: in sort of a state of disrepair. And Maud Parr
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Speaker 1: she had stayed at court when she was pregnant and
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Speaker 1: they were living in a townhouse in Blackfriars, and so
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Speaker 1: it's more likely that she was born in Blackfriars instead
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Speaker 1: of Kendall Castle. So Maud Catherine's mother, she managed the
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Speaker 1: court school, and so we know that she was intelligent,
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Speaker 1: especially to be put in that place by Catherine of Aragon.
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Speaker 1: When Catherine is five years old, in fifteen seventeen, Sir
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Speaker 1: Thomas Parr dies and so Maude is a widowed mother
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Speaker 1: and has three children. And Maud, even though she's still
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Speaker 1: pretty young at this point, never remarries because she doesn't
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Speaker 1: want to endanger her children's inheritance. Instead of remarrying, she
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Speaker 1: devotes the rest of her life to ensuring her children
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Speaker 1: are educated and have advantageous marriages. So growing up, Catherine
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Speaker 1: is an avid learner. She really dislikes embroidery and sewing,
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Speaker 1: though it's just not her thing. I think was it
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Speaker 1: the quote that she said was my hands were ordained
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Speaker 1: to touch crowns and sceptors, not spindles and needles. But
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Speaker 1: it just sounds like something made up. I think it's
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Speaker 1: just one of those whispers that sort of evolved over time.
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Speaker 1: Catherine is incredibly intelligent. She was fluent in French and
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Speaker 1: Latin and Italian, and she would continue learning languages. When
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Speaker 1: she actually becomes queen, she starts learning Spanish. Like in general,
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Speaker 1: her initial education was really similar to other sort of
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Speaker 1: well born women, you know, household management, music, arithmetic, like
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Speaker 1: all the sort of like basics, but she just really
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Speaker 1: enjoyed learning. So in fifteen twenty nine, when she was
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Speaker 1: seventeen years old, Catherine marries for the first time, and
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Speaker 1: it's Sir Edward Burrough, whose grandfather is the second barren Borough.
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Speaker 1: I should probably mention like Catherine had bright hazel eyes
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Speaker 1: and was about five foot ten, so she was pretty
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Speaker 1: tall for ladies of the time. This marriage is, you know,
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Speaker 1: they're relatively close in age, and Edward is a knight
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Speaker 1: and he's in his twenties. He served as a feofe
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Speaker 1: and a justice of the peace, and unfortunately, like he
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Speaker 1: just had, unfortunately he was in pretty poor health. And
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Speaker 1: so in fifteen thirty three, Sir Edward Burrough dies in
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Speaker 1: the springtime, I think, and never gets to inherit the
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Speaker 1: title of Baron Burrough. And so at the age of
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Speaker 1: twenty one I think she's like twenty one or twenty
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Speaker 1: two at this point, and she is childless and widowed
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Speaker 1: for the first time. Her first husband dies and Catherine
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Speaker 1: is spending time with the dowager Lady Strickland, Catherine Neville,
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Speaker 1: who is her cousin's widow, and she would stay at
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Speaker 1: the I'm gonna pronounce this and greatly Cisserg Castle in
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Speaker 1: Westmorland again now Cumbria, and in the summer of fifteen
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Speaker 1: thirty four she marries John Neville, the third Baron Latimer,
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Speaker 1: who is the who is her dad's second cousin. By
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Speaker 1: the way, Latimer had been widowed twice and he was
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Speaker 1: like double the age of Catherine, and luckily for her,
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Speaker 1: he was also independently wealthy. And Latimer had two children
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Speaker 1: with his I think from his first marriage of Dorothy
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Speaker 1: de Vere two children, John and Margaret even though he
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Speaker 1: was independently wealthy, Latimer was still in financial difficulties. Secondly,
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Speaker 1: which is its own thing. But what doesn't help Latimer
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Speaker 1: is that he posed Henry's first annullment to Ktherine of
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Speaker 1: Aragon and then the marriage to Amberleyn. So during the
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Speaker 1: Lincolnshire Rising in October fifteen thirty six, these Catholic rebels
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Speaker 1: sort of show up and brett in Latimer, so like
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Speaker 1: if he doesn't join them and sort of fight against
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Speaker 1: you know, the Protestant Reformation that's happening, it's going to
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Speaker 1: be argambou violence, I'm telling you. And Katherine watched these
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Speaker 1: Catholic rebels drag her husband away, leaving her and her
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Speaker 1: step children alone between October fifteen thirty six and April
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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty seven, which is probably one of the reasons
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Speaker 1: why Catherine was so opposed to this rebellion and why
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Speaker 1: she had such faith in the reformation of the Church
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Speaker 1: when things like this are happening during this time. In
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Speaker 1: January fifteen thirty seven, there is an uprising of the
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Speaker 1: North and Catherine and her step children, so it's John
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Speaker 1: and Market and Catherine. They're held hostage at Snape Castle
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Speaker 1: in Yorkshire. As they're being held hostage, word gets sent
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Speaker 1: to Lord Latimer that he has to return or else
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Speaker 1: they're just going to slaughter them all. He returns and
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Speaker 1: somehow manages to talk the rebels into releasing his family
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Speaker 1: and leaving, which I don't know about you, but that
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Speaker 1: sounds suspicious. So Henry the eighth and Cromwell, you know,
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Speaker 1: they hear conflicting reports and they're like, is he a victim?
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Speaker 1: Is he a co conspirator? And if he was a
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Speaker 1: co conspirator, all of the family's lands would be forfitted
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Speaker 1: and they'd all be left penniless. Although no charges were
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Speaker 1: ever laid against Lord Latimer, the very rumors themselves were
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Speaker 1: so damaging that the whole family had to move to
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Speaker 1: the South because the opinion in the North, because they
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Speaker 1: were so looked down upon in the North. And during
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Speaker 1: this time, and Thomas Cromwell the absolute whatp bucket, he
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Speaker 1: starts blackmailing Latimer, making him do his bidding, and it
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Speaker 1: wasn't until Cromwell's demise that the entire Latimer's crowd returned home.
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Speaker 1: Cromwell died in fifteen forty and the Latimers they actually
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Speaker 1: managed to get reclaimed some of their dignity back, and
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Speaker 1: by fifteen forty two the family are spending time in
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Speaker 1: London because Latimer is attending Parliament and Catherine is visiting
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Speaker 1: her brother William and her sister and Court, and it's
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Speaker 1: generally around this time that she is acquainted with Sir
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Speaker 1: Thomas Seymour, which is Jane Seymore's brother. And Catherine really
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Speaker 1: enjoyed the atmosphere of Court because you know, it was
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Speaker 1: very different to all the rural estates that she was
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Speaker 1: used to attending, so she would learn about fashion and
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Speaker 1: trends and jewelry and also religious matters. So by the
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Speaker 1: winter of fifteen forty two, Lord Latimer he's sick as
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Speaker 1: fuck and his condition just gets worse and worse, and
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Speaker 1: Catherine is nursing her husband until his death in fifteen
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Speaker 1: forty three. So he leaves a will leaving Catherine is
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Speaker 1: the guardian of his daughter, Margaret and put in charge
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Speaker 1: of his affairs until his daughter's of age. So he
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Speaker 1: also leaves Catherine the manor of Stowe and like a
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Speaker 1: bunch of other properties, and he leaves her money to
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Speaker 1: support his daughter. It seems that Catherine genuinely mourned the
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Speaker 1: passing of her husband, she kept a copy of his
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Speaker 1: New Testament Bible with her and his name was on
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Speaker 1: the inside, and she kept it with her until her death.
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Speaker 1: So Catherine at this point is again a childless widow,
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Speaker 1: and she's thirty one. At this point, she's got a
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Speaker 1: decent income, she's got a s guardianship of her stepdaughter,
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Speaker 1: which gives her a great position as well, and she
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Speaker 1: is rich enough if she wants to marry on her
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Speaker 1: own terms. So Catherine Parr, she's only four years older
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Speaker 1: than Mary Tudor, and after her second husband dies, she
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Speaker 1: decides to rekindle this friendship and finds a place in
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Speaker 1: Mary's entourage at court. I sh just let this sink
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Speaker 1: in a little bit, because this means that Henry the
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Speaker 1: eighth would have probably known Catherine Parr as a child.
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Speaker 1: He knew her dad, he knew her mom. I'm just saying.
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Speaker 1: So Catherine was at court because she had a Ryan
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Speaker 1: Thomas Seymour, and being at court, mian she gets to
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Speaker 1: be around him. So Catherine Park So she's you know,
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Speaker 1: in Mary's social circle, and you know she's got to
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Speaker 1: Ryan Thomas Seymour. He's got his eye on her. And
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Speaker 1: they were even discussing, like seriously discussing marriage. Catherine is
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Speaker 1: still known as Lady Latimer at this point. She has
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Speaker 1: this incredible interest in the philosophies of the Reformation and
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Speaker 1: Protestant beliefs, and her religious and spiritual pursuits. They would
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Speaker 1: be these would be a huge influence on her later
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Speaker 1: writings and of course her younger step children. But we'll
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Speaker 1: go back to that in a minute. So she's at
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Speaker 1: court and she's being dazzled by Thomas Seymour, who was dashing, handsome,
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Speaker 1: charming and relatively close and edge to Catherine, whereas Henry,
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Speaker 1: who was interested in Catherine ah didn't have these particular qualities. However,
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Speaker 1: he was the fucking King of England and Ireland at
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Speaker 1: that point too, because he decided to grab that name.
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Speaker 1: And Catherine. I've seen people say that she took the
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Speaker 1: smart choice, like she chose this. I think when the king,
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Speaker 1: when the king chooses you, you don't really have much
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Speaker 1: of a choice. So she writes, So she sends a
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Speaker 1: Dear John rejection letter to Thomas Seymour, and she says,
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Speaker 1: my mind was Philly bent to marry you before any
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Speaker 1: man I knew, But God made that possible, which seemed
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Speaker 1: to me impossible. But Henry had his eye on Catherine
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Speaker 1: before she was interested in Thomas Seymour, because when she
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Speaker 1: was still married to her second husband, he was sending
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Speaker 1: her gifts. So like before Lord Latimer dies, he's sending
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Speaker 1: her gifts of gowns and jewels and a bunch of
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Speaker 1: other stuff, and like two weeks before he dies, he's
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Speaker 1: sending this stuff to her. And what's funny about Katherine
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Speaker 1: Parr is she's the only one that was Henry's real
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Speaker 1: choice because everybody else had been put in place, They
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Speaker 1: had been set in front of him, and it had
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Speaker 1: been working from one way or the other. You had politicians, diplomats,
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Speaker 1: members of the aristocracy from like Howard's, Boleynn Seymour's and
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Speaker 1: fucking Cromwell, and they all push their own people in
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Speaker 1: front of Henry the Eighth, and they all had their
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Speaker 1: own agendas, but nobody was going for Catherine. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you could argue that the reason that nobody was pushing
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Speaker 1: anybody in Henry's way at the time because they've seen
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Speaker 1: what happened to Cromwell, so they thought maybe maybe not.
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Speaker 1: Because like when anybody who seems to put something in
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Speaker 1: the way, like when you champion somebody, or I mean,
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Speaker 1: unless you're the Duke of Norfolk who somehow manages to
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Speaker 1: escape from the tyranny of fucking Henry. Everybody else just
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Speaker 1: kids dead, you know what I mean, Like everybody's just
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Speaker 1: fucking dead. So Henry wants Catherine, and he will have
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Speaker 1: been made aware of the discussions that Lady Latimer and
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Speaker 1: Sir Tommas Seymour were having regarding betrothal and marriage. So
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Speaker 1: Seymour gets sent to Brussels to remove him from court,
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Speaker 1: to sort of take away that barrier gently, one might say.
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Speaker 1: So she accepts Henry's proposal and they get married on
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Speaker 1: the twelfth of July fifteen forty three at Hampton Court Palace.
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Speaker 1: And this is like four months after the death of
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Speaker 1: Lord Latimer, Like it's not a long time fun fact.
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Speaker 1: So Catherine actually has a coronation and she was the
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Speaker 1: first Queen of England to also be titled the Queen
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Speaker 1: of Ireland because Henry decided that he owned that too.
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Speaker 1: So Henry and Catherine were like they were actually related
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Speaker 1: by Henry's mum and Catherine's dad. They were third cousins
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Speaker 1: once removed and by the both their dads, they were
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Speaker 1: double fourth cousins once removed. I'll be honest with you,
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Speaker 1: that's a lot of back and forth. They were related distantly.
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Speaker 1: So when Catherine becomes queen, she makes Margaret Neville her
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Speaker 1: former stepdaughter, she makes her a Lardy in waiting, and
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Speaker 1: she also and also her steps on John's wife, Lucy Somerset.
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Speaker 1: She also gets a position in a household. So Catherine Parr,
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Speaker 1: She's married Henry, who's like, how old here? Now he's
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Speaker 1: not twice her age, but he is like twenty years
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Speaker 1: older than she is, is he not? Like so he's like, no,
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Speaker 1: he's gotten only two decades on her, which I'm super
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Speaker 1: so now Catherine being married to fucking Henry, So like,
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Speaker 1: can you imagine being Catherine? And you have to like
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Speaker 1: match up to the sexual fantasies of an immobile, ulcerated,
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Speaker 1: temperamental gob sheen who suffered from impotence and anguished insomnia
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Speaker 1: was how it was told. Like, so, we don't have
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Speaker 1: like a lot of evidence regarding the inner workings of
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Speaker 1: the bedroom, but it seems like it seems like she
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Speaker 1: utilized everything she could. So she had clothes perfumes. She
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Speaker 1: furnished the chamber in a particular way, food, drink, conversation,
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Speaker 1: and milk baths to provide the right ambience for when
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Speaker 1: he visited her bedroom, really her chamber. So Catherine Parr
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Speaker 1: is similar to Henry's first two wives when it comes
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Speaker 1: to intelligence, but she was neither as reserved as Catherine
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Speaker 1: of Aragon or as fiery as Ambulance. And Katherine Parr
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Speaker 1: she really worked in making the marriage work. She had
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Speaker 1: to be so careful and she had to protect herself,
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Speaker 1: especially because she would have been very aware of what
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Speaker 1: happened to the previous five, I mean Jane seymore, but
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Speaker 1: so like at least four out of five wives hadn't
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Speaker 1: had a shitty time of it, really, so she had
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Speaker 1: to be careful not to jeopardize her position. But unlike
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Speaker 1: like Anna Cleaves, she wasn't pragmatic. She was very much
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Speaker 1: enjoying her position and all the perks that came with it.
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Speaker 1: And unlike a lot of the other previous webs, we
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Speaker 1: have lots of writing and letters from her during her
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Speaker 1: marriage with Henry. It was the time for the reformers,
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Speaker 1: like the sort of reformation had stalled effectively when Cromwell
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Speaker 1: lost his head, and there's this plot against Crammer and
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Speaker 1: which which just collapses because the people involved, like Stephen Gardener,
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Speaker 1: the Bishop of Winchester, just fucks it up. Queen Catherine,
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Speaker 1: she basically has this continual, daily day influence and which
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Speaker 1: brings the evangelicals of court and the counsel of Edward Seymour,
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Speaker 1: the Earl of Hertford, to have a controlling influence which
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Speaker 1: would be very important when Henry died in fifteen forty seven.
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Speaker 1: Catherine is incredible because not only does she somehow manage
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Speaker 1: to contin new spreading her faith, she studies the Bible
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Speaker 1: and listens to preachers in chambers with her ladies, and
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Speaker 1: she advances the careers of you know, her favorite clergy,
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Speaker 1: and which is like pretty normal. She did something that
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Speaker 1: no woman at the time could do. She wrote. She
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Speaker 1: published devotional books basically Sam's Prayer Books in fifteen forty
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Speaker 1: four and fifteen forty five, and then in fifteen forty six,
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Speaker 1: when she after Henry passes, she starts writing this personal
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Speaker 1: testimony called The Lamentation of a Sinner. She talks about
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Speaker 1: her journey from Catholicism into Lutheranism and basically explains why
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Speaker 1: her faith is her faith. So yeah, after Henry's death,
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Speaker 1: she publishes The Lamentations of a Sinner and finally comes
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Speaker 1: out as like a really blown Protestant in part she
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Speaker 1: holds some titles. So she is the last wife of
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Speaker 1: Henry the eighth. She is the most married queen on
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Speaker 1: the English throne, with four marriages under her belt. And
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Speaker 1: and she was the first women English women in English
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Speaker 1: women's literary history to have a book authored under her
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Speaker 1: own name. And this was The Prayers or Meditations in
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Speaker 1: fifteen forty five, and this was the first book to
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Speaker 1: be openly published by a woman in the English language.
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Speaker 1: Earlier on she had published translations of Latin Sam's into
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Speaker 1: English called Sam's or Prayers, but these were all done anonymously.
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Speaker 1: So Catherine really utilized her role as queen concert and effectively.
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Speaker 1: And she used every option she had, every means of
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Speaker 1: her disposal to spread effectively what would be known as Protestantism.
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Speaker 1: Like so yeah, so Catherine was dealing with day to
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Speaker 1: day stuff at court. She was, for all we know,
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Speaker 1: and because we haven't heard anything opposite to it, was
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Speaker 1: satisfying Henry in the chamber. She would and she would
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Speaker 1: like attend to his ulcers and his leg herself. When
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Speaker 1: she would change the dressing, she would clean the wounds.
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Speaker 1: And she managed to get the venest man in the
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Speaker 1: world to finally wear reading glasses. So will Catherine's married
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Speaker 1: to the king, she manages to get She manages to
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Speaker 1: reconnect Henry with his children, more so than Jane did, because.
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Speaker 5: She brought the children back for like Christmas and stuff,
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Speaker 5: so it was only for like the big feast days.
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Speaker 5: So you've got Mary who's twenty eight, Elizabeth is eleven,
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Speaker 5: and Edward of seven, and they're living in.
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Speaker 1: All these royal manners in the home counties.
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Speaker 6: So Mary is illegitimate, Elizabeth is double illegitimate, and Edward
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Speaker 6: is a boy, so he fine. And the girls you know,
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Speaker 6: were currently excluded from court, and Edward.
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Speaker 1: He was and as you know, the only heir.
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Speaker 5: He was kept away from away from the capitol because.
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Speaker 1: The plague was back, you know what I mean. And
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Speaker 1: so within a few months she has the children visiting
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Speaker 1: Henry on a regular basis. And what Catherine does is
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Speaker 1: not only does she reconcile the family, but also puts
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Speaker 1: Mary and Elizabeth back into the line of succession. I
23:25
Speaker 1: like she debastards them, you know what I mean. And
23:29
Speaker 1: she really had a warm relationship with all of her stepchildren.
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Speaker 1: She was tutoring Edward in Latin to help him improve it.
23:36
Speaker 1: A lot of her Protestant reformist ideas and ideologies. You
23:42
Speaker 1: can really see this in play when it comes to
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Speaker 1: and the influence it had on Edward and Elizabeth. So
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Speaker 1: she's nursing him, she's connecting him back with his children.
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Speaker 1: But Catherine Parker also has this prominent role in Henry's affairs.
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Speaker 1: So Henry is on campaign in France, because you know,
24:07
Speaker 1: every now and again he likes to go on an
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Speaker 1: excursion and starts and fights. He's in France between like
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Speaker 1: the middle of July and the end of September, and
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Speaker 1: Catherine is left to oversee a regency council which was
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Speaker 1: actually headed by the Archbishop Crammer. So yeah, he's away
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Speaker 1: campaign and she's a regent and she was also entrusted,
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Speaker 1: but she wasn't just appointed as a regent for the campaign.
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Speaker 1: Henry puts it in place that if he were to
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Speaker 1: die on campaign, she would be she would keep acting
24:46
Speaker 1: as a regent for Prince Edward. And while She's doing
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Speaker 1: all this her daily duties, and Eggs believed that Elizabeth
24:55
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with her. What's funny as well,
24:58
Speaker 1: was that in fifteen forty six, even though Katherine Parr
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Speaker 1: and Henry had this pretty solid marriage, especially considering compared
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Speaker 1: to hers other marriages, there was this failed plot to
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Speaker 1: replace her with a new Queen, Mary Howard, who had
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Speaker 1: recently been widowed. So the plan was, I swear to God,
25:18
Speaker 1: the plan was Mary's brother wanted her to marry Thomas Seymour,
25:23
Speaker 1: thus placing her in front of the king so she
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Speaker 1: would slide into the position of Henry's mistress and oust
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Speaker 1: Catherine Parr like that was the plan, but it it
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Speaker 1: It failed. But this wasn't the only plot against her.
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Speaker 1: The Lord Chancellor at the time and this Catholic faction
25:41
Speaker 1: at court, they wanted to like Oust Catherine as a
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Speaker 1: heretic because she was Protestant, and so what they wanted
25:48
Speaker 1: to do was align her with Anne Askew, who was
25:52
Speaker 1: this because she was an evangelical Christian and who was
25:56
Speaker 1: already under arrest. For here is the sidebar asked. Is
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Speaker 1: the first woman on record to like ever be a
26:03
Speaker 1: victim of persecutionion in torture in the Tower of London,
26:07
Speaker 1: and like this was supposedly done so that asked so
26:10
Speaker 1: that Anne would basically give up par and any of
26:14
Speaker 1: her ladies in waiting as Protestants and so on and
26:18
Speaker 1: so forth, and gets born to death, but without ever
26:22
Speaker 1: implicating Queen Catherine. And so these suspicions come about. And
26:28
Speaker 1: this is like I think early fifteen forty six. So
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Speaker 1: Henry and Catherine had this religious theological argument of some kind,
26:36
Speaker 1: and Henry is convinced that she's heretic and signs, and
26:41
Speaker 1: he signs a warrant for the arrest of Catherine, and
26:44
Speaker 1: in a crazy random happenstance, the warrant for her arrest
26:49
Speaker 1: manages to fall conveniently in front of her door, and
26:52
Speaker 1: so she gets a heads up, which unfortunately neither Anne
26:55
Speaker 1: Berlin or Katherine Howard got. Katherine Parr does the smartest
26:58
Speaker 1: thing possible. She says, fuck this, We're a game of soldiers,
27:03
Speaker 1: heads over to Henry and goes me a weak woman,
27:07
Speaker 1: a weak foolish women. Do you think I could stand
27:11
Speaker 1: up to you? What? And she basically flatters him and
27:16
Speaker 1: is self deprecating panders to his ego and vanity, and
27:23
Speaker 1: she tells him that she only argued with him because
27:27
Speaker 1: she wanted to distract him from his painful sores in
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Speaker 1: his leg, and also she wanted to learn from his
27:36
Speaker 1: wisdom like all women smart as fuck, a she says.
27:42
Speaker 1: She says that she was but a woman with all
27:46
Speaker 1: the imperfections natural to the weakness of my sex. Because
27:52
Speaker 1: she would never assume to know better about religion than
27:56
Speaker 1: her husband, the head of the church. So Henry forgives her,
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Speaker 1: but like he doesn't tell anybody. So she's literally there
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Speaker 1: with the king and the Lord Chancellor and all the guards.
28:09
Speaker 1: They come through and they're ready to arrest her in
28:11
Speaker 1: front of the king and he's like fools and tells
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Speaker 1: him to fuck off. So in fifteen forty seven, Henry
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Speaker 1: the Eighth is finally on his deathbed and he, you know,
28:22
Speaker 1: he thanks God for delivering him a faithful spouse. He
28:25
Speaker 1: basically bequeaths Catherine a seven thousand pounds a year pension,
28:31
Speaker 1: and that's like millions in today's money, and he gives
28:35
Speaker 1: the rights to keep all of the queen's jewels and
28:37
Speaker 1: clothes and everything else that goes with it. And on
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Speaker 1: the twenty eighth of January fifteen forty seven, Henry the
28:44
Speaker 1: Eighth finally dies and Catherine is left is the Queen Dowager.
28:47
Speaker 1: What she's supposed to do at this point is stay
28:51
Speaker 1: a widow. Just stay a widow. Three strikes and you're out.
28:54
Speaker 1: Seems like a good run. And she's supposed to take
28:57
Speaker 1: care of Elizabeth and close to Edward the sixth then
29:02
Speaker 1: be his regent, and she also takes the infamous ninety
29:06
Speaker 1: Queen Lady Jane Gray into her care as well. So
29:10
Speaker 1: so four months after Henry passes, she finally marries her
29:13
Speaker 1: quote unquote true love, Thomas Seymour, who is also a
29:17
Speaker 1: fucking prick, and as such she loses the sort of
29:22
Speaker 1: the rights and privileges she had as Queen Dowager. And
29:25
Speaker 1: when Catherine's thirty five, I mean she's a continual stepmother.
29:29
Speaker 1: That's when it seems to be her thing. But she
29:31
Speaker 1: actually manages to get pregnant thirty five. So because she
29:34
Speaker 1: marries Thomas Seymour, the Lord Protector, Edward Seymour, her brother
29:39
Speaker 1: in law, refuses to hand over the crown jewels because
29:42
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be worn by the ruler of England's
29:45
Speaker 1: wife because he is basically ruling for Edward at this point.
29:50
Speaker 1: Edward the sixth he gives them to his own wife
29:53
Speaker 1: and Stanhope, which basically ruins the relationship between Katherine Parr
29:57
Speaker 1: and Anne Stanhope. But Thomas she sees this as a
30:01
Speaker 1: personal attack against him by his brother. So at the
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Speaker 1: age of thirty five and after being a perpetual step mother,
30:09
Speaker 1: she actually becomes pregnant. Catherine Parr thinks Thomas Seymour is
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Speaker 1: her one true love, but when they actually start living together,
30:18
Speaker 1: Thomas Seymour starts becoming really really inappropriate with the Princess Elizabeth,
30:24
Speaker 1: Like he would surprise her in bed and like weird hours,
30:28
Speaker 1: and he would engage in horse play and tickling and
30:32
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and even tried to and supposedly even
30:34
Speaker 1: tried to kiss her, so like Initially, the par she
30:39
Speaker 1: treats this as an innocent thing because she's like, of course,
30:42
Speaker 1: she's not going to do anythink of this, what twelve
30:45
Speaker 1: thirteen year old girl, and she joins in. She holds
30:48
Speaker 1: a little bit down. Seymore tickles her, but at one
30:51
Speaker 1: point Seymour playfully cuts Elizabeth's dress to pieces. Catherine's getting
30:57
Speaker 1: like well, on in her pregnancy at this point, and
31:00
Speaker 1: in May fifteen forty eight, Katherine becomes just aware of
31:04
Speaker 1: how inappropriate it is. Whether she played it off as
31:07
Speaker 1: an innocent thing before or whether she genuinely believed that
31:11
Speaker 1: this was an innocent act. When she catches the fourteen
31:16
Speaker 1: year old Elizabeth in an embrace with the much older
31:20
Speaker 1: Thomas Seymour, her husband, she sends her stepdaughter away. Was
31:25
Speaker 1: she sent away for her own protection? Was she sent
31:28
Speaker 1: away to remove herself as a temptation for Thomas? Was
31:33
Speaker 1: Katherine Parr in a weird hormonal jealousy thing We don't know?
31:37
Speaker 1: Or was it to just protect everyone and preserve everybody's reputations.
31:41
Speaker 1: Could it be a combination of all of those. Perhaps
31:44
Speaker 1: it is, we don't know. And although Catherine and Elizabeth
31:47
Speaker 1: had been incredibly close, they would never see each other again.
31:51
Speaker 1: Late August fifteen forty eight, Katherine Parr gives birth to
31:55
Speaker 1: her only child, Mary Seymour, but she suffers from post complications.
32:02
Speaker 1: I think it's terrible fever. I think it is, they say,
32:05
Speaker 1: and she dies eight days later at the age of
32:08
Speaker 1: thirty six. So even though she's known as the one
32:12
Speaker 1: who survived, Catherine only outlived Henry the eighth by just
32:17
Speaker 1: under two years. Quid the fact about Thomas Seymour. So,
32:22
Speaker 1: after Katherine Parr dies, he renews his intent to marry
32:27
Speaker 1: Elizabeth because apparently Elizabeth was his first choice of a wife,
32:32
Speaker 1: but the council denied his request, so he settled for
32:37
Speaker 1: her rich stepmother, Catherine Parr. Stay classy Thomas, and six
32:42
Speaker 1: months after Catherine Parr dies, he ends up executed for
32:46
Speaker 1: treason on March twentieth, fifteen forty nine, because he's trying
32:50
Speaker 1: to circumvent the council in order to marry a fourteen
32:54
Speaker 1: year old So Mary Seymour she is. When Thomas has executed,
32:59
Speaker 1: Mary Seymore is only six months old and she's taken
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Speaker 1: in by Catherine brand and the Duchess of Suffolk. All
33:04
Speaker 1: of Seymour's lands and funds they're all restored to Mary,
33:08
Speaker 1: and the very last mention of her is of her
33:11
Speaker 1: second birthday, and after that there's nothing, So it's highly
33:16
Speaker 1: likely that Mary died in infancy. So yeah, this ends
33:19
Speaker 1: the story of Henry Eight's finalize Catherine Parr. What have
33:23
Speaker 1: we learned today? Men are dicks. Sometimes what you think
33:28
Speaker 1: is love is just somebody being an our soul don't
33:33
Speaker 1: believe in love? Why would you believe in love? Love
33:35
Speaker 1: is love marriage. I just being strong in your beliefs
33:39
Speaker 1: is good as long as you can protect yourself. Also,
33:44
Speaker 1: if you're going to keep marrying, marry up. What if
33:48
Speaker 1: you poisoned any of your husbands? No, no, let's not
33:51
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Speaker 1: We did? I say we, You know what. Honestly, if
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Speaker 1: I hadn't got as much support from you guys, I
35:13
Speaker 1: don't know if I would have made it this far.
35:14
Speaker 1: So again, thank you so much. So I'm gonna I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna go to a recommendation point as ears and nose
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Speaker 1: and mouth, let's do this. So so yeah, I thought
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Speaker 1: I'm going to recommend some stuff to you, recommendations or
35:31
Speaker 1: stuff I like to consume consuming corner. So I have
35:38
Speaker 1: been listening to small town murder and crime and sports.
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Speaker 1: They're generally more respectful towards victims. And then I just
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Speaker 1: take the piss out of out of criminals and shitty
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Speaker 1: shitty law apartments and so on and so forth, and
35:56
Speaker 1: and fuck ups in the judicial system. And I actually
35:59
Speaker 1: found her voice is quite coming and I listen to
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Speaker 1: them to help me, help me sleep. And that's like
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Speaker 1: if you like crime and true crime and stuff like that,
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Speaker 1: Is that why you're over enunciating your words. You're a
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Speaker 1: strange boy. And you also you're dressed like a pirate farewell,
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Speaker 1: So I'm rich, you have money. You're rich. What's good?
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Speaker 1: You can look after me. So, so here's a watching
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Speaker 1: recommendation I could enjoy. So there's this comedy group on
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37:02
Speaker 1: And they have this fantastic little mini series called Edgar
37:08
Speaker 1: Allen Poe's Murder Mystery Dinner Party. And so if you
37:11
Speaker 1: like authors and also comedy and also murder mysteries, it's
37:18
Speaker 1: it's a pretty fun jount. And so basically it's Edgar
37:22
Speaker 1: Allen Poe and the ghost Lenore. They host a murder
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Speaker 1: mystery dinner party, slash gala and pot luck and so
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Speaker 1: they invite like all of these all of these like
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Speaker 1: author's mystery there. So it's like Mary Shelley, Agatha Christie
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Speaker 1: Ernest Hemingway, HG. Wells and and like a bunch of others,
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Speaker 1: and it's it's it's funny, and it's trophy and it's
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Speaker 1: and it's it's really it's really funny. It's really funny
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Speaker 1: and again. It just brings me such pleasure watching it,
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Speaker 1: I really do. I love the Pursads and Mary Kate
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Speaker 1: Wiles and they've got a Joy Richter. It's like, if
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Speaker 1: you're a millennial, you'll probably recognize these people from the internet.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to deny I love this stuff and
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Speaker 1: it's it's very niche, but I really quite enjoy it.
38:22
Speaker 1: And television what is absolutely Falcon and Winter Soldier. It
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Speaker 1: is a chef's kiss. I love it.
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. But I'm a big
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Speaker 1: nerd anyway, so even how it is. And the trailer
38:35
Speaker 1: for the Suicide Squad movie dropped and I was very
38:38
Speaker 1: excited because I didn't like the first film. I just
38:42
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like it was disjointed in
38:46
Speaker 1: the worst possible way. But anyway, I'm not gonna get
38:49
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