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Happy Hour #128: The Fanfiction Update · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome stuff. I
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  Speaker 1: never told your prediction, but iHeart radio, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: another edition of Happy Hour. As always, if you're choosing
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  Speaker 1: to drink or whatever you're doing, please do so responsibly. Samantha,
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  Speaker 1: what are you sitting on?
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  Speaker 2: I just have a good old cold water.
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  Speaker 1: O Y nice. I have a light beer because my refrigerator,
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  Speaker 1: once again, it is a disaster. I need to clear
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  Speaker 1: some space.
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  Speaker 2: I'm desperate every time.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know, And a part of this is
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  Speaker 1: I am about to go back to the beach, and
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  Speaker 1: so a wht of this is left over from the beach,
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  Speaker 1: so I feel.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's only right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna take it with me, but I feel
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  Speaker 1: like it's like a boulder. It's like building up. It's
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  Speaker 1: getting worse and worse. But yeah, yeah, we are preparing.
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  Speaker 1: I am preparing to go to the beach. So we're
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  Speaker 1: recording a lot today. This is an actual Happy Hour
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  Speaker 1: that I've had on the docket for a while but
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  Speaker 1: kept getting delayed. And it's just a brief update on
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  Speaker 1: my fan fiction. And yeah, my experience has been uh
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  Speaker 1: because there's been some twists and turns that I wasn't expecting.
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  Speaker 1: I will say, speaking of the beach, good friend of
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  Speaker 1: mine Katie did find my username. Yeah, she found it.
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  Speaker 1: She looked everything up and then she came to me
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  Speaker 1: later when she was a little tipsy and said, look,
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  Speaker 1: I would have supported you no matter what, but i'd
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think you were going to have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of reviews, but you do, and I'm really impressed.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, you're most like both like vindicated but okay, embarrassed.
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  Speaker 2: Kind I'm not embarrassed, but well.
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  Speaker 1: It was funny because she she just got it in
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  Speaker 1: her head. She had to know. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: why you don't care? This is not a thing you
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  Speaker 1: would read or a thing you would like. But she
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  Speaker 1: gets her mind set on something and it was set,
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  Speaker 1: and I kept trying to distract her or convince her
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  Speaker 1: of something like let's go do this instead. Oh no,
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  Speaker 1: but she would not let it go. And I would say,
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  Speaker 1: within twenty minutes she found it. I have long said
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  Speaker 1: it's not it won't be, it's not difficult, but she
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  Speaker 1: did within twenty minutes.
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  Speaker 2: For sure, darning it. I love it.
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  Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this, not that she would
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  Speaker 1: do it, but it was the start of last year. Right,
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  Speaker 1: we did a lot of technology episodes and we were
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  Speaker 1: talking about the ways people can stalk you, and I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking about, like, if someone knew your your fan
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  Speaker 1: fiction handle, then they would know in theory where you are,
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  Speaker 1: what you were doing when you post. So it does
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  Speaker 1: give me a little anxiety. And I do think a
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  Speaker 1: listener has found me. Well, I don't know, maybe I
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  Speaker 1: think so. It just makes me a little nervous. But
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  Speaker 1: I do get a lot of reviews. Okay, but you
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  Speaker 1: know you're all there, That's what she said.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: But I did have a moment and I thought about that,
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  Speaker 1: and I think we should come back because we never
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  Speaker 1: did our Venmo episode, which I really want to come
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  Speaker 1: back and.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about of the most talking episode. Yes, I am
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  Speaker 2: guilty of that. I've learned a lot of things. Well thanks.
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  Speaker 1: I know I have another friend who knows my fan
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  Speaker 1: fiction handled. And you know this about.
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  Speaker 2: Me, Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes my whole weekend is based on I just want
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  Speaker 1: to write fan fiction. And so if she invites me
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  Speaker 1: to something and I say no, I'm busy, she will
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  Speaker 1: know if it's a fan fiction related reason.
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  Speaker 2: Because you can.
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  Speaker 1: Sign up to get updates whenever anybody you know post something,
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  Speaker 1: and again, like I could be honest with her and
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  Speaker 1: I could just say today I just want to write
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  Speaker 1: fan fiction. But if there's just something about it where
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  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, that's a she just knows that now
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  Speaker 1: I can't hide that. Yeah, So I didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: come back and talk about that. We've been We've got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of back burner like good Reads we wanted
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  Speaker 1: to come talk about, but fan fiction was a new
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  Speaker 1: one where now I'm like, oh I could I could
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  Speaker 1: see how people people could stalk you through this. And
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  Speaker 1: there are a lot of instances Samantha of like sometimes
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  Speaker 1: an author, we'll be in a relationship with another author
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  Speaker 1: and then they break up and I'm always like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: I saw one go horribly wrong once where the other
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  Speaker 1: person tried to delete their story and then the other
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  Speaker 1: person like had to repost all of it and was
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  Speaker 1: like this actually mattered.
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  Speaker 2: To me and you can't just delete it.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, oh my, well, so I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I'm pretty established now people know people know who
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  Speaker 1: I am when I update, not to like in my corner,
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  Speaker 1: the would say know who I am and uh. I
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  Speaker 1: used to have this sake a million ten schedule, and
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  Speaker 1: I would I would be like, Okay, once a week,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this every other week two of this,
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  Speaker 1: and that's just fallen by the wayside because I was
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  Speaker 1: doing it for a while, but real life comes in,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and I my the time gets sucked up.
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  Speaker 1: So it's been interesting for me because I always turn
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  Speaker 1: things to work, and that I turned it into such
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  Speaker 1: a here's a spreadsheet. I have a spreadsheet of like
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  Speaker 1: what you're gonna write and when you're gonna write it,
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  Speaker 1: and when you're gonna upload it, when you're gonna edit it,
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  Speaker 1: And that's fallen off the wayside. That is not what
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  Speaker 1: is happening anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: It's like if I I'm lucky if I can find
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  Speaker 1: like an hour here or there to do it and
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  Speaker 1: in that hour not be exhausted from doing all of
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  Speaker 1: my other stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I do love the community of it.
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  Speaker 1: I've gotten art, people have done art, They've done other
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  Speaker 1: stories based on what I've written. But one of the
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  Speaker 1: things I wanted to really talk about here, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to get into it, but I so I
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  Speaker 1: have a story where there's a love triangle Samantha and
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe this is happening. I did not intend
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  Speaker 1: for it to unfold this way, but I basically created
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  Speaker 1: a character I thought everyone would hate.
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  Speaker 2: They love him, and I don't know what to do
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  Speaker 2: about it. And you can't stand him?
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, at first everybody hated him, which was what
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  Speaker 1: I intended, and then I was like, well, okay, I
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  Speaker 1: can't have them like just hate him. It's got to
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  Speaker 1: be a bit more. I need a bit more flavor
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  Speaker 1: than that, or else, like hopefully that listener who foundly
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  Speaker 1: isn't listening or else like the old the end isn't
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  Speaker 1: going to have the same oomph but that I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to have. But then so I've tried to make him
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  Speaker 1: nicer and like more relatable, and now people like him.
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  Speaker 1: I like, I went I backpedaled too hard, so now
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  Speaker 1: people are like shipping him. Who is a character? I'm
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  Speaker 1: made up with Luke, And I don't know what to
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  Speaker 1: do because I have the next chapter is do tomorrow actually, and.
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  Speaker 2: I can't.
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  Speaker 1: Like I was writing it last night and I was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I wrote this beautiful speech from this guy and I
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  Speaker 1: like it, But what am I doing here? I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm spending way too much time on this ass and
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  Speaker 1: not the couple where it's actually supposed to like end
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  Speaker 1: up and ship. But it was really fascinating because I
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  Speaker 1: didn't think everybody hated him, and then now people are
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  Speaker 1: writing in and they'll tell me these like reasons why
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  Speaker 1: they like him, and as someone who is asexual, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like I'm learning all kinds of things about what
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  Speaker 1: people see in relationship and what they like that I
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  Speaker 1: was just like, oh, okay, that was a lot going
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  Speaker 1: for but you do you.
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  Speaker 2: It's so fascinating. I did it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, And like people are
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  Speaker 1: fighting in the comments where they're like, actually, I think
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  Speaker 1: he was wrong.
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  Speaker 2: He was wrong. Here I'm learning so much.
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  Speaker 1: And when I first started out a comment like that,
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  Speaker 1: even if it wasn't mean, even if it was just
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  Speaker 1: like oh I like this guy more than that guy
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  Speaker 1: or whatever would have been, I would.
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  Speaker 2: Have been like in my head and what have I
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  Speaker 2: done wrong? I can't right at all.
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  Speaker 1: But now I'm kind of like, oh, this is interesting, okay, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but it has thrown a rich and what I originally
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  Speaker 1: planned because now people like him too much. Originally I
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  Speaker 1: really just want to like at the end of this
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  Speaker 1: when I published a final chapter, be like, this is
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  Speaker 1: what it was originally going to be, and then you
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  Speaker 1: guys changed my whole mind. And now this happens to
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  Speaker 1: be in D and D all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Though. That's kind of what I love. The collaboration, though,
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  Speaker 2: is like.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't seeing it that way, but now that you
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  Speaker 1: say that, oh that is a good point, I really
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  Speaker 1: enjoy it. In fact, there was a big cliffhanger. I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was a big cliffhanger. Everybody was like, it's
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  Speaker 1: this person, isn't it? And it wasn't that person, Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you. But when they were
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  Speaker 1: all like it was this person, wasn't it? I was like, oh, damn,
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  Speaker 1: that's better than what I wrote.
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  Speaker 2: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: Do you hear that?
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  Speaker 2: Listeners?
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  Speaker 1: You can change things you can't if you I'm open
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  Speaker 1: to it. I like, I think that's great. I will admit,
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  Speaker 1: and this is an issue and a lot of media
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  Speaker 1: that I enjoy, including Star Wars, I will admit there
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  Speaker 1: is part of the problem is now the things that
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  Speaker 1: I had planned earlier no longer really apply.
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  Speaker 2: Because I changed the ending.
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  Speaker 1: I changed it, But it's nothing major, but I do
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  Speaker 1: that is an issue that I've been like, Okay, wait,
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  Speaker 1: well I had been planting this.
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  Speaker 2: Now I've got to go back.
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  Speaker 1: And see if I can change it in one way
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  Speaker 1: or another. And I'm just gonna tell you it's not
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  Speaker 1: a surprise ending like it was going to be, but
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  Speaker 1: now it's just obvious and I haven't no issue with it.
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  Speaker 1: But I kind of like the I like where I
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  Speaker 1: am now. When I first started, I was so anxious
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  Speaker 1: when I was publishing, but now I'm kind of like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you all knew it was that guy. You all knew,
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  Speaker 1: you all knew, but it wasn't it. It's been so interesting,
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: especially like in the wake of us doing Twilight as
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  Speaker 1: our movie pics, which hopefully we're going to get to
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  Speaker 1: the next two next two soon. But it's just interesting
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  Speaker 1: to me that how much this turned into a love triangle,
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  Speaker 1: even though I really didn't mean it too, and how
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  Speaker 1: much of it is like, here's kind of your your
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  Speaker 1: bad boy, you're like a really nice guy, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, WHOA even I have been I didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: This was going to happen to me when I was
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  Speaker 2: writing this fiction. But I love it.
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  Speaker 1: It's been great I did run into I do so
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  Speaker 1: in fan fiction, there's something called flames. That's when somebody
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  Speaker 1: really doesn't like what you do and they write something
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  Speaker 1: really mean. I haven't had that happen to me yet,
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  Speaker 1: but I did have somebody post a story that I
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  Speaker 1: could tell was targeted towards, at least in part towards me,
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  Speaker 1: and what was not it was very negative. What Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And that whole day I was like depressed because it's
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  Speaker 1: like where I go to escape from this hell?
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  Speaker 2: Escape? Right, But then like a day passed and.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, well, the problem is what
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  Speaker 1: makes me mad about it though, is like there's a
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  Speaker 1: very in my mind important fan fiction tenant, which is
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: don't like, don't read Yeah, So like, yeah, you.
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  Speaker 2: Don't like it, got it? Which makes sense, Yeah, don't
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  Speaker 2: read it.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine, That's that's how it should be. And I
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  Speaker 1: the same thing is I like a lot of their stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Oh but oh well it did mess me up for like.
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  Speaker 2: A NOD day. Yeah yeah, but it's okay. I moved on.
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  Speaker 1: You're right, yeah. And it's also something that it's been
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  Speaker 1: interesting because I feel like, right now there's so many
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  Speaker 1: things and shift on the internet and fan fiction is
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  Speaker 1: not immune. So there's been like updates of the AI guidelines,
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  Speaker 1: there's been updates on how they can use how just
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  Speaker 1: in general your work can get used, and it's understandable,
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  Speaker 1: but sad to me as someone who loves fan fiction,
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of people have left because of that,
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  Speaker 1: and they're actually posting on Tumblr more, which we talked
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  Speaker 1: about Tumblr, so that's happening as well. There's just a
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  Speaker 1: lot of like shakeups happening where in my particular neck
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  Speaker 1: of the woods. Oh but something else I found funny
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  Speaker 1: is that I over explain everything. So at the end
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  Speaker 1: you can have a note as an author and be like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is what I was trying to do here.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I was trying to do here.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like every review I get that's not negative,
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  Speaker 1: but like.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about that is about the author review.
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  Speaker 1: Like the author's note, So I need to stop over explaining.
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  Speaker 2: I Uh.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it just cracks me up how many times
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  Speaker 1: I've been like, wow, I should have just not said that, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but usually not said that as like I think this
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  Speaker 1: character's coming from this place, and then people don't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: agree whatever. It's not like I'm the author whatever. Anyway, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's been It's been a fascinating ride for me. It
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  Speaker 1: is weird that I have people in my life now
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  Speaker 1: that know who I am and yeah, we'll see how
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  Speaker 1: this love triangle go. I mean, I would say I
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  Speaker 1: know how it's gonna go, because I'm the writer, but
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  Speaker 1: they keep changing my mind about it.
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  Speaker 2: You thought you knew, I did. I did.
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  Speaker 1: I overcorrected, and now I feel like I'm doing a
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  Speaker 1: bad job of the actual.
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  Speaker 2: Relationship.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing a great job at the like somebody wrote
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  Speaker 1: this is the most painful slow burn I've ever read.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing a great job of like the pursuing and
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  Speaker 1: the misunderstanding and some people, some people have written in
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  Speaker 1: and said, I actually prefer that part. I don't like
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  Speaker 1: it when they finally get together. That's not interesting to me,
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  Speaker 1: which I get. But at a certain point, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: At a certain point, at a certain point, something's got
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  Speaker 2: to give.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise the idiots in love tag is just working way
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  Speaker 1: too hard.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Samantha, I'm telling you, I've I've got some thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen some things, seen things, learned some things things. Really,
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  Speaker 1: it's so interesting. I want to come back do an
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  Speaker 1: episode about just some of the discourse I see. I
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  Speaker 1: talked about this very briefly in a Happy Hour a
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  Speaker 1: while ago, like a year ago, but some of the
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  Speaker 1: discourse I see around like it's gotten a lot better,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: but around like asexuality and arrow arrow people and Jedi
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  Speaker 1: because I feel like sometimes people forget that, like ace
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  Speaker 1: people exist until they'll be like, this is the saddest thing.
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  Speaker 1: I won't have a relationship, and I'm like, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: but here I am writing the love dry. Sorry, just
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  Speaker 1: have got some conflict. I've gotta figure We'll see yep.
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  Speaker 1: Whoopsie indeed whoops and dude, well, thanks for hearing me out.
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  Speaker 1: I uh gosh, I gotta finish it tonight. I gotta
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  Speaker 1: post it tomorrow. The schedule.
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  Speaker 2: It's so much anxiety. We'll see how they feel about it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, when you get that notification of like someone's left
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  Speaker 1: to comment, it's panic.
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  Speaker 2: It's panic, but it's almost always nice.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, Well, listeners, if you have any thoughts
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