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Ep. 449: Master September with Shawn Luchtel, Dave Skinner, Brennan Nading, and Greg Godfrey · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the
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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,
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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and today we are joined by David Skinner,
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Speaker 1: Shawn Lucktell, Brennan Nating, Greg Godfrey, and Tony Peterson to
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Speaker 1: discuss their best advice for killing a September white tail.
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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought
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Speaker 1: to you by First Light, and today we are talking September.
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Speaker 1: We're talking how to master bow hunting. The month of September.
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Speaker 1: September is here. Opening days are kicking off across the country.
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Speaker 1: It is a great time of year. And to help
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Speaker 1: us get ready, I've pulled together with the wire Hunt team,
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Speaker 1: a compilation of some of our very best guests who
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Speaker 1: have talked about September hunting. And this podcast has been
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Speaker 1: running for like seven years, and I know that most
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Speaker 1: of you have not heard those episodes from seven years
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Speaker 1: ago or six years ago or five years ago, where
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Speaker 1: a lot of really good stuff was covered. Maybe I
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Speaker 1: something like an idiot, but the guests sounded good and
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Speaker 1: they had some really helpful things, and I wanted to
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Speaker 1: bring that back and make sure we'd all heard these
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Speaker 1: things and picked up on all these great September tips.
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Speaker 1: So today we're going to hear from alright, so time out.
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Speaker 1: We're not going to get to those conversations quite yet
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Speaker 1: because I need to make an admission. After me and
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Speaker 1: Tony talked about the game plan of having these different
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Speaker 1: people from previous podcasts on to hear about how they
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Speaker 1: hunt September white tails, well, I actually went and started
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Speaker 1: looking back through all of our past episodes. I spent
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Speaker 1: two or three hours listening to archived wire and done
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Speaker 1: episodes trying to find some really good stuff about September
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Speaker 1: white tails. You know what I found. I didn't find crap.
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Speaker 1: I found a very small amount of quality focused content
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Speaker 1: on hunting September deer. So huge overside in my part.
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Speaker 1: I guess I've not been doing a good job of
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Speaker 1: getting people on specifically to talk about this early early
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Speaker 1: part of the season. Shame on me. Hopefully we can
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Speaker 1: fix that today though, because since I didn't have any
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Speaker 1: old stuff, I actually had to go out and find
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Speaker 1: new people to talk to. So this is fresh, brand
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Speaker 1: new spanking content from four really good deer hunters who
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Speaker 1: are getting it done. As I mentioned Dave Skinner, Shawn Lucktell,
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Speaker 1: Brennan Nading, Greg Godfrey. I all talked to them this
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Speaker 1: week about how they're getting it done in September, and
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Speaker 1: some of these guys are leaving, like as we're hearing this,
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Speaker 1: they are on their way to September hunts of their own.
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Speaker 1: So this is content that is fresh in their mind.
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Speaker 1: These are ideas that they're going to be using right
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Speaker 1: now any day now, and hopefully you can too if
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Speaker 1: you are traveling to somewhere with a September opener, or
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Speaker 1: if you live in one of those states, this is it.
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Speaker 1: And uh, I think you're really going to enjoy what
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Speaker 1: we get into. We've got public land hunters, we've got
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Speaker 1: private land hunters, we've got aggressive hunters, we have conservative
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Speaker 1: kind of everything in between. So no matter what your
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Speaker 1: style is, I think you're gonna be able to pick
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Speaker 1: up some ideas that should help. So with that out
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Speaker 1: of the way, back to me and Tony. But before
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Speaker 1: we get to those guys, I wanted to kind of
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Speaker 1: tee it up with my buddy Tony Peterson, Mr. Foundations.
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Speaker 1: How are you Tony? Um? I couldn't be a better buddy.
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Speaker 1: How do you feel about that. It could be Mr Foundations,
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Speaker 1: You've been doing it for three months now, something like that.
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Speaker 1: How do you How do you feel about your Foundation's
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Speaker 1: podcast so far? I feel good, man. I have heard
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Speaker 1: from a lot of people on that podcast, and I
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Speaker 1: feel you know how this is when you're when you're
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Speaker 1: in this space and you're trying to create new content,
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Speaker 1: there's always that unknown of like is this going to resonate?
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Speaker 1: Is this the right choice or is it gonna flop?
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Speaker 1: And you know, some me your ideas are good, some
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Speaker 1: of them are bad, and that one seems to be
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Speaker 1: going over really well. Like I've I've heard from a
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Speaker 1: lot of people who are you know, they're they're listening
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Speaker 1: and they're they're using some of the stuff we're saying
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Speaker 1: in there, and they're just they're using it as an
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Speaker 1: as a motivator to get out there and scout and
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Speaker 1: and hunt more and just be in the white Tail woods.
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Speaker 1: And that's that's a win. Man. Oh yeah, I just
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Speaker 1: got an email forwarded to me. It went to the
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Speaker 1: Mediator headquarters email and this person had said that they
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Speaker 1: believe that Foundations is the single best podcast on the
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Speaker 1: entire Mediator podcast network. So yeah, take that Steve. Can
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Speaker 1: we send that right to Steve. Oh, I made sure
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be in an inbox for sure. Uh. So,
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Speaker 1: well well done, my friend. Well done. It's good stuff.
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Speaker 1: It's it's something that I actually want to listen to
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Speaker 1: every week. Even though I had to review the stuff
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Speaker 1: before we put out there the air, I still like,
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Speaker 1: you know, I gotta listen to that because there's there's
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Speaker 1: good stuff, and you're always someone who I val you
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Speaker 1: your opinion, which is which is why I've got you
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Speaker 1: here again today where I can't get enough of your tony. Uh,
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Speaker 1: don't take that context um too late. So September, when uh,
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Speaker 1: when I say September white Tails to you, what's it's
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Speaker 1: like the first thing that comes to mind? Oh man,
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Speaker 1: so many things, buddy, but just just a feeling of
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Speaker 1: we finally get to do it again. Like I you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of September white tails. I I
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Speaker 1: always have been, growing up in Minnesota and hunting all
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Speaker 1: across the country. I just it's it's my favorite month.
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Speaker 1: I know everybody picks November, but I love September. And
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Speaker 1: you know, you've got you've got water to work with,
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Speaker 1: you've got food, to work with. You've got those deers
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Speaker 1: that haven't been hunted for nine months, and it's just
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Speaker 1: it's just a kickoff, man, it's awesome. Yeah. Now you
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Speaker 1: have one September white tail hunt this year? Is that right?
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Speaker 1: I have two? Maybe maybe two, I'm not sure yet.
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Speaker 1: And then I've got my daughters. My my goal, my
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Speaker 1: biggest goal in September is to get my daughters on
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Speaker 1: some Wisconsin white tails. That's what I've been working the
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Speaker 1: hardest for. Nice. That's exciting. So Wisconsin white tells for them.
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Speaker 1: And then you've got probably well maybe not Minnesota because
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Speaker 1: you're saving that tag for other stuff, but maybe you
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Speaker 1: like a Nebraska or Dakota or something like that. Right,
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Speaker 1: definitely North Dakota in the end of the month. And
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Speaker 1: then I've got kind of a flyer for maybe going
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Speaker 1: to Nebraska, but the timing is a little bit tight
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Speaker 1: and I'm not sure. I'm my fingers are crossed on
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Speaker 1: that one, and that that will be early. So what
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Speaker 1: do you think the most important thing is? So I
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Speaker 1: love September two and I was right there way it
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Speaker 1: thinking September might bump November for me. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It's it's it's tossed up between us two. But when
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Speaker 1: you're setting foot on one of these haunts in September,
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Speaker 1: and if I to tell you there's only one thing
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Speaker 1: you can focus on, you can't get the best of
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Speaker 1: both roles. You can't have this thing and this thing
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Speaker 1: and this thing and this thing all lined up perfect.
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Speaker 1: You can just kind of playoff of one key factor.
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Speaker 1: What the one key factor you would really want to
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Speaker 1: leverage to kill a deer one of these September HUNTSB
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Speaker 1: I hate that you put it that way, and I
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Speaker 1: know why you did. Get you what you wanted to
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Speaker 1: take water out of the equation. Um, well, that would
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Speaker 1: I know, but it can't because it's not available everywhere
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Speaker 1: and it is a wild card, you know. I mean obviously,
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Speaker 1: if you're if you're a water hunter and you've you've
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Speaker 1: been staring at the drought maps this year and you're
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Speaker 1: looking at you know, the brown grass sanry yard like
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Speaker 1: that's a it could be a huge factor for September hunting,
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Speaker 1: but you know, we might get a weaker rain in
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Speaker 1: the locality you're gonna hunt. So I would have to say,
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Speaker 1: if you give me one choice like you did, I
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Speaker 1: would say food but it would be I'd be gritting
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Speaker 1: my teeth a little bit and squinting angrily at you. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's that's says look before um. Is it Is it
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Speaker 1: fair to say that you will talk about water on
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Speaker 1: foundations this month a lot? Is that thing? Yes? That
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Speaker 1: is that is fair to say. I mean, I think
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Speaker 1: it's just I know, people kind of get sick to
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Speaker 1: hear me talk about it, but it's just such a
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Speaker 1: potentially useful thing to understand. Like we we talked about
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Speaker 1: food all the time, and we kind of like we're
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Speaker 1: kind of dismissive of water. But it's so variable in
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Speaker 1: so many different situations, and it can be the best
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Speaker 1: white tailed draw in a specific area, like it can
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Speaker 1: be you know. I interviewed our mutual friend and he
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Speaker 1: May the other day for an article, and he was
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Speaker 1: talking about hunting. I think he said, Kentucky in the
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Speaker 1: early season one year, trying to kill a velvet buck,
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Speaker 1: and he said it was it was drought conditions, but
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Speaker 1: he found a uh, like I guess, a ravine or
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Speaker 1: a gully that had some water, some little bit of
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Speaker 1: pocket stagnant water left in there that hadn't all dried up.
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Speaker 1: And he described it as the golden bait pile. He said,
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Speaker 1: it was unreal the deer coming in there. And you know,
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Speaker 1: you say about that scenario, you know, he he probably
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Speaker 1: had all kinds of of food to work with, but
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Speaker 1: for a very specific location, in in very specific conditions
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Speaker 1: to kill one that was it. Yeah, And you make
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Speaker 1: a good point and that oftentimes that can be the
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Speaker 1: much more hard to find commodity compared to food in
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Speaker 1: certain places at least where there's bean fields or alfalfa
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Speaker 1: fields everywhere, but there might just be one little isolated
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Speaker 1: back in the cover water source. So those things all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden have disproportionate value when they're rare, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: and you know the they can change from year to
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Speaker 1: year and they can really that that one can be
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Speaker 1: really frustrating. You know. You might you might plan on
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Speaker 1: sitting water holes or tanks or something and then show
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Speaker 1: up and there's been enough rain where you just totally
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Speaker 1: underestimated the amount of water available. Or you could go
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Speaker 1: the other way and you know, pull up your on
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Speaker 1: X and see some ponds and go, okay, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: check this one, this one. This When you show up
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Speaker 1: and they're all dry, and it's like Okay, how do
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Speaker 1: you reset that moment? Right? And then I guess you
10:03
Speaker 1: know that goes back to what you said at the top,
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Speaker 1: which is, if you had to pick on the one
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Speaker 1: thing that will probably be consistent everywhere, that will fact
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Speaker 1: ear in every decision in some way, it's food. Right
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Speaker 1: at this time of year, food is king. Um, that's
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Speaker 1: you know, That's what I would say to every hunt
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Speaker 1: that I'm going to be looking at in September. The
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Speaker 1: first thing I need to think about is where's the
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Speaker 1: quality food right now? How do I make sure that
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Speaker 1: that can be something I can play off of? Um?
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Speaker 1: What do people get wrong about food? Because I think
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Speaker 1: most people know that early season is a food type
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Speaker 1: of situation for most people. But what are we getting wrong?
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Speaker 1: What are we messing up or making an assumption about
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Speaker 1: that you found isn't always the case? Does anything come
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Speaker 1: to mind when we look at it from that angle
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Speaker 1: A big time? It's riding a dead program on the food,
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Speaker 1: or I shouldn't say that, riding a dying program on
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Speaker 1: the food that either you know, either we're killing ourselves
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Speaker 1: or we're killing with a bunch of other hunters who
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Speaker 1: are out there on public land or on the property
11:03
Speaker 1: we hunt. It's it's only like base level worthwhile to
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Speaker 1: know the destination food source. Like you might go on
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Speaker 1: opening night and shoot a great big buck on a
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Speaker 1: bean field. Like I'm not saying you can't do that,
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Speaker 1: but that program, every time that you sit there, it
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Speaker 1: tends to get a little bit less valuable. It diminishes.
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Speaker 1: And so we sit there and go, well, it's September
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Speaker 1: and it's the second week of the season. They still
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Speaker 1: got to be coming into this bean fielder to South Alfa.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go sit on it. And by then they've
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Speaker 1: encountered six different hunters walking through there and sitting on
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Speaker 1: the edge. And in some places, you know, and I
11:38
Speaker 1: know you've seen this in high pressure areas, they're already
11:42
Speaker 1: back to staging area stuff. And I honestly think when
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Speaker 1: you take some of these really early season hunts now
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Speaker 1: and some of these September one opener type states where
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Speaker 1: you could maybe get a velvet buck, it feels to
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Speaker 1: me like an over the counter ELK unit where by
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Speaker 1: the time you get there, even preseason, they've already people
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Speaker 1: have already scouted so much they've pushed the deer back
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Speaker 1: to the next level of cover. You know, like when
12:03
Speaker 1: you get out if anybody who's ever hunted Colorado general
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Speaker 1: unit stuff, you know, if you get out there now,
12:09
Speaker 1: when you park, get your trailhead going a couple of
12:11
Speaker 1: days early, every meadow has been scouted and glassed every
12:15
Speaker 1: while it has been scouting glass Those elk haven't been
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Speaker 1: hunted yet, and they're already pushed to like secondary level cover.
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Speaker 1: A lot of times, I feel like that happens with
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Speaker 1: food sources in the white tail world, where there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of hunting pressure too, and so not not reacting
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Speaker 1: to that reality is a big mistake when you're on
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Speaker 1: a food pattern. Yeah, definitely definitely seen that too. Brings
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Speaker 1: to mind another question something I was thinking about a
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Speaker 1: little bit earlier today, when I think about why September
12:42
Speaker 1: can be so great in a lot of cases because
12:44
Speaker 1: you're getting to hunt them fresh before they've been hunted
12:47
Speaker 1: for you know, they haven't been hunted for nine months,
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Speaker 1: like you said, and so they are relatively unpressured. But
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Speaker 1: at the same time, you or whoever else is hunting
12:55
Speaker 1: would represent that first flurry of extreme pressure or in
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Speaker 1: the day is leading up to like you mentioned, So
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Speaker 1: do you think in September. Do you think you can
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Speaker 1: get away with more or less than other months? So,
13:08
Speaker 1: can you make a mistake or two September and they'll
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Speaker 1: give you a free pass. This is the first mistake
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Speaker 1: or two that they've had to experience. Or do you
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Speaker 1: think that because it's been so wonderful for them that
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Speaker 1: they notice this first floor of movement and it's shocking
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Speaker 1: to the system and they're change enough really quickly. What
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Speaker 1: have you seen? I've seen both, and I think I
13:30
Speaker 1: think it's really important to anticipate that that's a possibility
13:34
Speaker 1: that that they're going to break bad in a hurry
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Speaker 1: and they're you know, one one sit with the wind
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Speaker 1: in the wrong situation or something might really really change
13:43
Speaker 1: that dream spot you've been thinking about. But so again
13:47
Speaker 1: it kind of goes back like what how do you
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Speaker 1: react to that? Like what's your if that happens? What
13:52
Speaker 1: do you what do you do to counter that? And
13:54
Speaker 1: so I kind of play it like that where I
13:57
Speaker 1: can be a little more cavalier and try to kill
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Speaker 1: one right away, a knowing that if I don't or
14:02
Speaker 1: I screw it up, I either got another spot to
14:04
Speaker 1: go to that I have. You know, maybe it's a
14:06
Speaker 1: plan B, but I have some faith in it. Or
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Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, if I push these deer off, I
14:11
Speaker 1: know where they're going to stage from my winter scouting
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Speaker 1: or from some other you know, truick camera work or
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Speaker 1: something maybe, and I go, okay, if this I get
14:18
Speaker 1: a little risky here, but if this has a bad
14:21
Speaker 1: adverse reaction, I know where I'm gonna go and try
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Speaker 1: to stay on them. But I really think, you know,
14:27
Speaker 1: the beauty of the opening weekend or opening week hunt
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Speaker 1: is because you have that to work with, Like you've
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Speaker 1: you've had so much scouting in and you have those
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Speaker 1: deer that might be a little soft around the edges
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Speaker 1: right now, and you can get in there on them
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Speaker 1: and they're just not expecting you there. That's a big advantage.
14:45
Speaker 1: It's about the best thing you can ask for, it
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Speaker 1: really is. It's uh, I'm right there with you too.
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Speaker 1: Like I like to take that hard swing on night
14:54
Speaker 1: number one or two, like right to that kill spot
14:57
Speaker 1: if you can, because either you you get the you
15:00
Speaker 1: get the job done. It works or it doesn't, but
15:03
Speaker 1: then you know, okay, fall back and you fall back
15:06
Speaker 1: to that next layer. It's more like dive in further
15:09
Speaker 1: to where they fall back to. UM, especially like traveling
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Speaker 1: hunts like you and me will be on here in
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Speaker 1: the coming weeks. Um, you gotta keep on going to them.
15:17
Speaker 1: It's not like a local spot where maybe you take
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Speaker 1: a stab, like on my Michigan places. I'll usually take
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Speaker 1: a stab. Now this is October one, but I'll take
15:24
Speaker 1: that stab. But then if that doesn't work, then I
15:26
Speaker 1: fall back a little bit until the next kind of
15:29
Speaker 1: opportunity arises. While if I'm doing a week long hunt,
15:32
Speaker 1: it's take that hard stab and then if I push
15:34
Speaker 1: them back. Now I'm going back to where they are,
15:36
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna go back in farther to where
15:38
Speaker 1: they are, And you're kind of just trying to preempt
15:41
Speaker 1: them a little bit. UM, But the basic principle applies. Um.
15:47
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a fun time of year. I think,
15:51
Speaker 1: in particular on top of all these things, because they're
15:56
Speaker 1: so now this is place dependent, but I feel like
15:58
Speaker 1: there's so much of an observational element to early season
16:02
Speaker 1: hunting like this, especially if you're somewhere where there's wide
16:05
Speaker 1: open timber or wide open fields like some of these
16:07
Speaker 1: western white tail states with early openers, where it's you observe,
16:11
Speaker 1: you strike again farther in you glass from an observation
16:15
Speaker 1: tree or a knob, and then you see what they're doing,
16:17
Speaker 1: and they're on these bed defeed patterns, so you know,
16:21
Speaker 1: so tight. If you let them be that, then you
16:23
Speaker 1: can slip right in there and get on them the
16:25
Speaker 1: next time they pumped through. And that's just you know,
16:28
Speaker 1: other times the year it might be a little more chaotic,
16:30
Speaker 1: but at this time it's you know, that's what they're doing,
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Speaker 1: and as long as you don't screw it up or
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Speaker 1: somebody else doesn't screw it up, they'll probably do it
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Speaker 1: again soon and you can just it's that like predator
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Speaker 1: drone kind of hunting to a t. I think, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a great way to look
16:47
Speaker 1: at it. And it's it's nice to operate, you know.
16:49
Speaker 1: I do this a lot where I'm likeke, what he
16:51
Speaker 1: does today, he might do to moral And you know,
16:55
Speaker 1: when you talk about the rout like that's not that
16:58
Speaker 1: the value of that statement and that hunting strategy goes
17:01
Speaker 1: down as a season progresses, But when you're talking September
17:04
Speaker 1: white tail, is what you see dear do today, they
17:06
Speaker 1: very well might do to moral and that's a huge
17:08
Speaker 1: opportunity for a hunter. Yeah, all right, I want to
17:11
Speaker 1: play game, Tony, and it's it's I don't know, I
17:16
Speaker 1: don't know how far we can go, but the idea
17:17
Speaker 1: here is that and I literally just came to my mind.
17:21
Speaker 1: So I have not prepared for this in anyway, so
17:23
Speaker 1: I will probably lose this game very quickly, but I
17:26
Speaker 1: just I just want to see where this takes us.
17:29
Speaker 1: We each are allowed to say one sentence, and that
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Speaker 1: one sentence has to be like one piece of advice
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Speaker 1: or one thing to think about when trying to kill
17:38
Speaker 1: a September white tail. But you're only allowed one sentence
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Speaker 1: to explain the entire concept of the entire idea. So
17:44
Speaker 1: you get a sentence, and then I got to have
17:47
Speaker 1: my sentence, righty, as soon as you're done with your sentence,
17:49
Speaker 1: and then as soon as I'm done with my tip,
17:50
Speaker 1: you've got years and again, one sentence. This can't be
17:53
Speaker 1: like a paragraph long run on. It's gotta be it's
17:56
Speaker 1: gotta be grammatically allowed, and then whoever can't come up
18:01
Speaker 1: with her sentence loses. Oh man, I'm such a rambler.
18:07
Speaker 1: I feel like this nods are stacked against me. Here
18:09
Speaker 1: and I get I wish I had a buzzer. I
18:10
Speaker 1: need to get like a little sound pad so I
18:12
Speaker 1: can have a buzzer to to tell you when you've lost.
18:15
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna go first, and I'm gonna say, find
18:20
Speaker 1: a green food source. Uh you lost? What? No? Go ahead?
18:29
Speaker 1: Go ahead? But do you know who would not win this?
18:33
Speaker 1: This is my daughter's uh my not My nine year
18:36
Speaker 1: old daughters could not play this game. So in response
18:39
Speaker 1: to yours, I would say, play the conditions almost perfectly, okay.
18:46
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, manage your perspiration and exercise to minimize
18:53
Speaker 1: too much stink. And in response to that, I'm gonna say,
18:56
Speaker 1: forget what Mark says and play the wind touche. I'm
19:03
Speaker 1: gonna say, uh uh water, focus on water. If you
19:10
Speaker 1: got it faster, we gotta go fast. I'm going okay,
19:15
Speaker 1: stay off your phone and glass as much as possible.
19:19
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, look for tracks around water as an
19:25
Speaker 1: indication of where they might be congregating because it might
19:28
Speaker 1: be rare and run on sentence. Mud. Look for tracks
19:31
Speaker 1: and mud around waters. Disappearance, look for the very first
19:37
Speaker 1: rubs of the season, and then observe there. Bring a
19:40
Speaker 1: thermo cell or some kind of way to manage mosquitoes,
19:43
Speaker 1: because that is important to enjoy it. Um Uh, don't
19:51
Speaker 1: forget to consider hunting mornings. Don't hunt mornings if you
19:55
Speaker 1: don't have a good plan for it. Make a good
19:58
Speaker 1: plan to hunt mornings. If you're gonna hunt mornings, make
20:02
Speaker 1: sure you've got a way to get in the backside
20:04
Speaker 1: and don't spook deer from the food sources and get
20:06
Speaker 1: in early. Uh accesses everything, and definitely you should hunt mornings.
20:14
Speaker 1: I think that'll be a good way to wrap it up. Hey, So, hey, Mark,
20:19
Speaker 1: can I tell you something that I I heard was
20:21
Speaker 1: the best insult ever? Uh? The other day. I've been
20:27
Speaker 1: laughing about it NonStop. So I was talking to our
20:31
Speaker 1: mutual friend Hayden the other day and Hayden said, oh,
20:35
Speaker 1: did you know it was Mark's birthday the other day?
20:37
Speaker 1: And I said, no, I didn't know that, you know?
20:39
Speaker 1: And he said this, and you can fire him if
20:42
Speaker 1: you want. I don't care. But he said, you know,
20:46
Speaker 1: Mark seems like the kind of guy who would request
20:48
Speaker 1: raisins in his birthday cake. I don't even know what
20:54
Speaker 1: that means, but I am offended. Doesn't it sound like
20:58
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a crazy insult. You can't really
21:00
Speaker 1: pin down. That's how good it is. You're like, that
21:03
Speaker 1: sounds so insulting, but it's also so vanilla like it's
21:06
Speaker 1: it's perfect. I've been laughing about that ever since. I'm like,
21:11
Speaker 1: I love it when people give me the ammal to
21:13
Speaker 1: describe Mark Kenyon. Yeah, that one. That one does it
21:16
Speaker 1: pretty well. Although I do not ever want raisins in
21:20
Speaker 1: my birthday cake, I will point out, give me, give
21:23
Speaker 1: me a standard box cake from like Pillsbury or whatever,
21:28
Speaker 1: with chocolate frosting, and I'm very very happy, all right.
21:33
Speaker 1: So on that. On that note, buddy, uh, let's let's
21:39
Speaker 1: tie up the loose ends here. On our intro, I'll
21:42
Speaker 1: just tell folks to make sure to be listening to
21:45
Speaker 1: your podcast, your Foundations episodes every Tuesday during the month
21:49
Speaker 1: of September, because I know that you've got this series
21:52
Speaker 1: related to water and things like that that will definitely
21:55
Speaker 1: help people dive deeper into what's happening. So make sure
21:58
Speaker 1: people do that. The second thing I'll tell you is
22:02
Speaker 1: that if you are not aware of this already, the
22:05
Speaker 1: third miniseries for Wired to Hunt, we call it Rout
22:08
Speaker 1: Fresh Radio that has started now for this season two.
22:11
Speaker 1: So every Wednesday, you'll get the rout Fresh episode, which
22:16
Speaker 1: is our buddy Spencer new Hearth and myself kind of
22:20
Speaker 1: teeing up every week about what's going on this week
22:23
Speaker 1: of the season, and then Spencer goes and talks to
22:26
Speaker 1: three or four or five hunters from across the country
22:28
Speaker 1: who have been out there doing it and see what's happening,
22:31
Speaker 1: see how the hunts are going, see what they're learning,
22:33
Speaker 1: what's working, what's not, etcetera. Um, So that's every Wednesday,
22:37
Speaker 1: Every Wednesday, Tony's Foundations is every Tuesday, and then the
22:41
Speaker 1: regular show is on every Thursday. So we are just
22:44
Speaker 1: we're giving you more white Tail, no how than you
22:46
Speaker 1: could ever ask for. I think and uh hopefully hopefull
22:50
Speaker 1: it's gonna help what I think they can just hit
22:54
Speaker 1: that subscribe button and they'll get all of them. That
22:57
Speaker 1: that would be the simple thing to say, you write.
23:01
Speaker 1: So on that note, let's uh, let's quit while we're
23:04
Speaker 1: still ahead on the intro. Let's get into those other
23:07
Speaker 1: conversations about September hunting and best of luck to everyone
23:11
Speaker 1: out there getting out for early season hunts. Now without
23:27
Speaker 1: further ado we're gonna hear from David's skinner from White
23:33
Speaker 1: Tailed Properties. First, all right, Dave, So you're out there
23:38
Speaker 1: in Kentucky, one of those Midwestern states with an early opener.
23:42
Speaker 1: So I know there's a lot of people that you
23:44
Speaker 1: spend time with who get out and hunt in September.
23:47
Speaker 1: I know some of your clients get out and hunt
23:49
Speaker 1: in September. If I were to ask you, what's the
23:53
Speaker 1: most common mistake that you see people making in that
23:57
Speaker 1: first month of the season, what is it? Cutting in
24:01
Speaker 1: the mornings? I think it's the biggest mistake I see
24:03
Speaker 1: people making. And uh, I think they are really i'll
24:07
Speaker 1: call them fragile at that time. They've been unmolested for
24:10
Speaker 1: months for the most part, and it's so much easier
24:13
Speaker 1: to slip in in the evening time than it is
24:16
Speaker 1: in the morning. And it's so easy when you're hunting.
24:19
Speaker 1: Really just a feeding pattern is what you're targeting at
24:21
Speaker 1: that time of year, and being on that food are
24:25
Speaker 1: are really close to that food is simple in the
24:27
Speaker 1: evening time because you know that deer is in a
24:29
Speaker 1: spent but at night you have no idea where that
24:31
Speaker 1: there is, so slipping in, you know, early morning in
24:34
Speaker 1: the dark trying to get into your stand is by
24:37
Speaker 1: far the easiest way to bump a deer off of
24:38
Speaker 1: that pattern and and mess that up for for days,
24:42
Speaker 1: if not weeks at a time. Yeah, So what about
24:45
Speaker 1: the flip side of that scenario? So you hunt the
24:48
Speaker 1: evenings and you said it's you know, it's easy to
24:50
Speaker 1: get in for an afternoon hunt, but getting out is
24:53
Speaker 1: the challenge. Then what's what's your take on exit strategies
24:57
Speaker 1: for evening hunts in September to make sure you're not
24:59
Speaker 1: making the same kind of problems just the reverse. So
25:03
Speaker 1: I've I've told people before, I've got the secrets killing
25:06
Speaker 1: a big deer, and the secret is is pretty simple.
25:08
Speaker 1: You gotta get in without him knowing your there, and
25:10
Speaker 1: you gotta get out without him going you there if
25:12
Speaker 1: you didn't kill him. And those entry next to strategies
25:16
Speaker 1: are going to be different for every single property and
25:18
Speaker 1: every single scenario. Typically, if I'm on a big deer,
25:22
Speaker 1: I've watched him and i know what he does um
25:25
Speaker 1: and if he's feeding him, soy being killed. For example,
25:28
Speaker 1: he may be out there the well after dark, but
25:30
Speaker 1: if I've got him on like a staging food plot
25:32
Speaker 1: before he goes into the big act field. I know
25:35
Speaker 1: that he typically leaves that food plot or that food
25:38
Speaker 1: source before he feeds on out into those bigger agg fields.
25:42
Speaker 1: That makes it really easy slip about because I know
25:44
Speaker 1: where he is after dark. So if you can identify
25:46
Speaker 1: where that there is after dark, yeah, it's it's a
25:48
Speaker 1: sketchy it's a sketchy deal. You just gotta figure that out.
25:51
Speaker 1: And I don't know that I can offer advice for
25:53
Speaker 1: that because every scenario is different. Um, I don't know
25:56
Speaker 1: if that's a good answer or not, but it would
25:58
Speaker 1: be really hard to nail something down other than just
26:01
Speaker 1: knowing where that deer he is, is he leaving that area,
26:04
Speaker 1: is he's feeding on across the field. Will give you
26:06
Speaker 1: a really good example of this um so farm that
26:09
Speaker 1: we've got over to western Kentucky, where our lodge says
26:13
Speaker 1: there's hundred acre being filled. That's probably only about sixty
26:16
Speaker 1: acres being filled right in front of the lodge, and
26:18
Speaker 1: we set on the front porch and watch those deer
26:20
Speaker 1: as they come out in the bean field, and where
26:22
Speaker 1: we hunt them is literally right in front of the lodge.
26:24
Speaker 1: And if you watch white Tiled properties television has been
26:27
Speaker 1: several bucks killed in Kentucky. We call it the Kentucky
26:30
Speaker 1: buck Factory. Been several bucks killed in that being filled
26:33
Speaker 1: right there in front of the lodge. What those deer
26:35
Speaker 1: do when they come out, they feed in the beans
26:37
Speaker 1: and then they just they just keep going, They keep
26:40
Speaker 1: traveling away from that area. But we can catch them
26:43
Speaker 1: out there, and then you just set tight in that
26:45
Speaker 1: line until those deer that said, well out of the
26:47
Speaker 1: way and you can slip right out. What you don't
26:50
Speaker 1: want to do is try to get out of that
26:51
Speaker 1: vine while the deer is still right there in the field,
26:53
Speaker 1: because you're gonna blow him out. Yeah. Now, what's your
26:56
Speaker 1: take on vehicles? So if you're in a spot where
26:59
Speaker 1: for whatever he and you can't get out, well, I
27:02
Speaker 1: know a lot of people will turn to using someone
27:05
Speaker 1: picking them up on an a t V or you
27:06
Speaker 1: TV or coming with a pickup. Uh, do you think
27:09
Speaker 1: that works? Or you still screwing the poosh a little bit?
27:15
Speaker 1: You know that's a that's a highly contested debate around
27:18
Speaker 1: hunting camp Um. I don't know that there's a right
27:21
Speaker 1: or wrong answer. It's kind of like making a mocks
27:23
Speaker 1: great VP entity. But there's some kind of kind of sense.
27:26
Speaker 1: I think it can all work. At times. We've done
27:29
Speaker 1: it with great success, you know, driving in with a
27:32
Speaker 1: pickup truck and blowing those deer out. I feel a
27:34
Speaker 1: lot better about that than I do walking out and
27:36
Speaker 1: having deer since me and blowout. I don't think they're
27:40
Speaker 1: nearly as threatened by that truck as they are our
27:42
Speaker 1: a t V or whatever as they are personal walking
27:45
Speaker 1: across that field. So I think if you've got to
27:48
Speaker 1: do that, doing it with a vehicle would be the
27:51
Speaker 1: preferred method in my opinion. Yeah, okay, so let's let's
27:55
Speaker 1: rewind a little bit because we're talking to exit, but
27:57
Speaker 1: I want to I want to get a better sense
27:59
Speaker 1: of of the entire setup, like like the perfect setup.
28:03
Speaker 1: Let's say let's just say you're only hunt for the
28:07
Speaker 1: entire year that you would get this year was going
28:09
Speaker 1: to be, you know, that first few days of September.
28:13
Speaker 1: That's all you get on this year. And you knew
28:15
Speaker 1: this starting in February of the year, so you've got
28:20
Speaker 1: the whole spring and summer to prepare for this situation.
28:25
Speaker 1: Tell me, what would you do to create the perfect
28:28
Speaker 1: September set up for those first few days of the season. UM,
28:33
Speaker 1: paint me the picture of how you would change habitat
28:35
Speaker 1: or how you would set up a blind or a
28:37
Speaker 1: tree stand, and what would you plant or not plant?
28:39
Speaker 1: What what would you do to paint this perfect picture?
28:44
Speaker 1: So no one where that deer is that or he's
28:46
Speaker 1: spending his time to daytime. That's that's that's vital to
28:49
Speaker 1: the situation. You just can't guess. You've got to have
28:52
Speaker 1: a pretty good understanding of where he's coming from. And
28:57
Speaker 1: I'm assuming as a deer, I have history with multiple years,
29:00
Speaker 1: So I'm going to have that past history to know
29:02
Speaker 1: what kind of travel er else he's taken to and
29:04
Speaker 1: from a feeding area and from his betting area where
29:06
Speaker 1: he's betted at. UM. Screening cover was one of the
29:09
Speaker 1: first things that popped in my mind. If I've got
29:11
Speaker 1: that long to plan, and I'm I'm really putting forth
29:14
Speaker 1: und percent effort to kill that deer in early September, UM,
29:17
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have some good screening cover and allow me
29:19
Speaker 1: to get in and out of that of that area. UM.
29:22
Speaker 1: And hunting the right wind is absolute revital uh. And
29:26
Speaker 1: I had a pretty similar situation of this a few
29:28
Speaker 1: years ago. It wasn't that I was limited to hunting September,
29:31
Speaker 1: but I knew exactly where this deal was betted. I
29:34
Speaker 1: knew exactly where he was feeding at almost every single day,
29:37
Speaker 1: probably six out of seven days. And as far as
29:40
Speaker 1: I was concerned, all I needed was the right wind,
29:43
Speaker 1: and this deer was dead and opening day I needed
29:45
Speaker 1: a northwest wind and open Day come around, and we
29:48
Speaker 1: had like seven days of east winds, and I sat
29:52
Speaker 1: at home twiddling my thumbs because the scenario I had
29:55
Speaker 1: created depended so much on that west wind that we
30:00
Speaker 1: usually get, and here we have a week of east winds.
30:02
Speaker 1: It just blew my plan all the pieces. Had I
30:06
Speaker 1: really put forth the effort, I could have designed a
30:09
Speaker 1: a scenario where I could have got into my stand
30:12
Speaker 1: would have been marginal, but there was a way that
30:14
Speaker 1: I could have gotten in my stand with some screening
30:16
Speaker 1: cover with that with that east wind. Um. What's crazy
30:19
Speaker 1: is on the seventh day, when I finally got in
30:21
Speaker 1: that stand, the deer was there, but he just didn't
30:23
Speaker 1: get a shot and I didn't bump him. He disappeared,
30:26
Speaker 1: But evening, you know, went the way I expected him to,
30:29
Speaker 1: and he never showed back up at that spot. I
30:30
Speaker 1: don't think it was. I don't think it was something
30:32
Speaker 1: I did. I think it was just that pattern was over.
30:35
Speaker 1: And that's why that window is a window is so
30:38
Speaker 1: short and in early September to catch them on my
30:40
Speaker 1: feeding pattern. Um, especially when you're outing soybeans. When do
30:44
Speaker 1: you see that change there in Kentucky? It really depends.
30:49
Speaker 1: It depends on the variety of soybeans planted more than anything. Uh.
30:52
Speaker 1: It also can depend greatly on the acorns. Why why
30:56
Speaker 1: acorns can drop sometimes in pretty pretty early in the
30:59
Speaker 1: month of September, and all bets are off if you
31:01
Speaker 1: get if you've got a real heavy acorn crop, which
31:03
Speaker 1: we get about every other year, you can almost time it,
31:07
Speaker 1: um uh, probably within ninety percent accuracy. You can you know,
31:12
Speaker 1: predict what's gonna be a heavy acorn year based on
31:15
Speaker 1: what happened the year before. Um. So, if those acorns
31:18
Speaker 1: happen to drop early, which they can and they have done,
31:22
Speaker 1: all bets are off. Man, he's not gonna be in
31:23
Speaker 1: that soil of being filled. I don't know. I don't
31:25
Speaker 1: care how bright green they are. And beans, you know,
31:28
Speaker 1: and I'm not a farmer by any means, but the
31:29
Speaker 1: way I understand it, beans have different maturity dates UM
31:33
Speaker 1: and the photo period affects when they turn and and change,
31:38
Speaker 1: and when we start seeing the first hints of yellow
31:41
Speaker 1: on those beings, the bucks lay off of them, they're
31:44
Speaker 1: on to some other. That's typically what it is. So
31:46
Speaker 1: it really depends on that specific being filled. Where I
31:50
Speaker 1: hunt at, we get um a lot of farmers that
31:52
Speaker 1: will double crop their beings so that they plant winter week.
31:56
Speaker 1: It'll be they'll plant corn. When they harvest the corn,
31:59
Speaker 1: they'll come back in and they'll plant week for the winter,
32:01
Speaker 1: and then they harvest that the next summer, and then
32:03
Speaker 1: they drill beans into that And that is the prime
32:06
Speaker 1: opportunity to kill a buck on the in salvet because
32:08
Speaker 1: those beans will not start turning until the second or
32:10
Speaker 1: third week of September sometimes, So that's the opportunity you're
32:14
Speaker 1: looking at. So if they planted them beans, you know,
32:17
Speaker 1: in in early late April, early May, you can just
32:20
Speaker 1: hang up killing a buck in September on that being
32:22
Speaker 1: so it's not gonna happen. Start looking for another bean field.
32:26
Speaker 1: What do you do in those years when you do
32:28
Speaker 1: have that bumper white oak crop acorns those are all
32:31
Speaker 1: over the place, They're not hitting your big open food
32:33
Speaker 1: sources like you thought, Uh do you do you tear
32:38
Speaker 1: in there into the timber and try to get after him?
32:40
Speaker 1: Or do you then say, all right, it's just not
32:41
Speaker 1: gonna happen early season. I'm gonna wait till there's something
32:44
Speaker 1: else I can get a better handle on. What do
32:47
Speaker 1: you think if I if I were a college football fan,
32:50
Speaker 1: I watching college football, I'm not um uh so uh
32:55
Speaker 1: in all seriousness, man, I'd never have been a good
32:57
Speaker 1: acorn hunter. When there's a bump acrop acorns, there are
33:00
Speaker 1: so many it is it is a challenge to figure
33:03
Speaker 1: out where those deer are gonna be. And it's a challenge,
33:06
Speaker 1: you know, here and all the time. And I would
33:08
Speaker 1: I would rather not have acorns personally, um than than
33:12
Speaker 1: have a bumper crop. It's very great for the deer,
33:13
Speaker 1: I guess, but it's not good for a deer hunter
33:15
Speaker 1: because when there's foods literally laying everywhere, how do you
33:18
Speaker 1: how do you how do you figure that out? I haven't.
33:20
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to. And I hear people say you, oh,
33:22
Speaker 1: you got to find the trees that they like the most. Well,
33:25
Speaker 1: you know, our our our hardwood forest. I don't want
33:29
Speaker 1: know if I want to use the word predominant, but
33:31
Speaker 1: that we have a lot of white oak here. So
33:33
Speaker 1: on those heavy years, man, there's just literally you trip
33:35
Speaker 1: over it. I've been sending into the deer stand for
33:36
Speaker 1: the third fourth week in September, you know, thinking I'm
33:39
Speaker 1: gonna get a buck, you know, early on, and it
33:41
Speaker 1: sounds like it sounds like it's raining in the woods.
33:44
Speaker 1: Acorns is just coming down everywhere, and it's it's like
33:46
Speaker 1: as early on it's probably um hunting with less strategy
33:51
Speaker 1: back then. But seriously, I just find something else to do.
33:53
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not getting there and blow that
33:56
Speaker 1: deer out maybe or or make a make a mistake.
33:59
Speaker 1: I'd rather just concentrate my efforts. Then, you know, I
34:02
Speaker 1: started looking for that late October pre rut type scenario
34:06
Speaker 1: or or the rut is what I started looking at. IM.
34:09
Speaker 1: Sure I stopped an it's gonna set well with a
34:11
Speaker 1: lot of people, but that's that's really the way I
34:13
Speaker 1: look at it. So you mentioned, of course acorn is
34:17
Speaker 1: being a challenge at times. Uh. You mentioned beans being
34:19
Speaker 1: something you can really key in on. Uh. For people
34:22
Speaker 1: that don't have one of those food sources, are there
34:26
Speaker 1: any other September foods that you find particularly worth taking
34:31
Speaker 1: a look at and try and get on so natural foods,
34:36
Speaker 1: you know, there are some things that you can look at.
34:38
Speaker 1: I pointed out quite frequently when I'm riding around on
34:41
Speaker 1: a buggy with who do you think, Kentucky. This may
34:43
Speaker 1: not hold hold true other places, but we've got a
34:45
Speaker 1: weed here called jewel weed. It's it's pretty common, I
34:48
Speaker 1: think over a large part of the United States. It's
34:51
Speaker 1: just a wild native plant that that grows go little orange,
34:55
Speaker 1: pretty little orange gloom on it. And there's something about
34:58
Speaker 1: that plant. I've seen that time and time again, and
35:00
Speaker 1: that right around when our season opens, something happens to
35:03
Speaker 1: that plant and it turns into like deer candy. One
35:06
Speaker 1: day it'll be it'll just be a plant there, and
35:08
Speaker 1: then the next day it's it's mowed down to there
35:10
Speaker 1: and it looks like someone too with a weed whacker.
35:12
Speaker 1: I've seen that time and time again. I've never taken
35:14
Speaker 1: the opportunity to try to key in on that, but
35:17
Speaker 1: it's something I've noticed, you know, year any year out
35:20
Speaker 1: on certain farms and in certain areas. Don't know if
35:22
Speaker 1: that holds true everywhere, but it's definitely something worth worth
35:26
Speaker 1: maybe exploring for Simmons as one. I remember a hunt
35:31
Speaker 1: years ago. Um, I've got had, I don't have permission
35:35
Speaker 1: to hunt the property anymore. But there was only a
35:37
Speaker 1: few per symmetries on. There was one as huge. It
35:39
Speaker 1: was as a big around as my It was as
35:41
Speaker 1: big around as my twenty year old waste, not my
35:43
Speaker 1: forty six year old wage. Um. But anyway, it's the big,
35:47
Speaker 1: big per Simmon. And it was loaded this one particular
35:50
Speaker 1: year and I went in and even time it was
35:52
Speaker 1: about I don't know, second third week of September. This
35:55
Speaker 1: was pretty early in my in my bow hunting career.
35:59
Speaker 1: I think I had a couple of bucks under my belt,
36:02
Speaker 1: but I was I was the guy that was holding
36:04
Speaker 1: out for a bigger deer pretty early. And and I
36:06
Speaker 1: remember passing on a couple of nice bucks under that persymmetry.
36:10
Speaker 1: And uh, that's that that food sources always stuck out
36:13
Speaker 1: in my head. I've never shot a buck out of symmetry,
36:15
Speaker 1: but it's definitely one of those natural food sources that
36:18
Speaker 1: they are going to key in on that time of year.
36:21
Speaker 1: And then there's food plots, man, I love food plots. Um,
36:25
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a lot of different sea varieties.
36:28
Speaker 1: And again what I'm gonna say may not work in
36:30
Speaker 1: your area, but here in Kentucky where I'm at, I
36:33
Speaker 1: love diicon Radish ground ogg four dradishes of name brand.
36:36
Speaker 1: But um, they're the big, the big long green tubers
36:40
Speaker 1: that they come out of the ground. They don't have
36:43
Speaker 1: to get a frost on them for them to be attractive.
36:45
Speaker 1: And for that September and October type brain, there is
36:48
Speaker 1: attractive of a food plot planning, as I have found.
36:51
Speaker 1: And I always mixing some some cereal, right our cereal
36:54
Speaker 1: grain rather wheat roads, and that's really attractive at that
36:58
Speaker 1: time as well. So um, those are just a few
37:02
Speaker 1: few options. I would say, what about the second part
37:05
Speaker 1: of the equation you mentioned when we were painting the
37:08
Speaker 1: ideal scenario, if you were trying to kill that buck
37:10
Speaker 1: in September, you had to know where he was betted? Where,
37:14
Speaker 1: what kind of places? What's the situation that's ideal for
37:18
Speaker 1: a buck betting kind of area in September Because in
37:22
Speaker 1: some some places I've seen the bet in very different
37:24
Speaker 1: places in September than they would in November, let's say,
37:26
Speaker 1: or December. What's that September betting looking like for you
37:29
Speaker 1: that people could think about when they're trying to key
37:31
Speaker 1: in and this time of year and figure out where
37:33
Speaker 1: are these bucks starting from? Yeah, Um, here's here's what
37:38
Speaker 1: I here's what I think is true. And and it's
37:42
Speaker 1: gonna vary again on your topography and and the vegetation
37:45
Speaker 1: types and and and that sort of thing. But what
37:48
Speaker 1: I have noticed. Okay, so here in September in Kentucky
37:53
Speaker 1: buck on the third day of the season few years ago,
37:56
Speaker 1: it was ninety six degrees UM that day when I
37:59
Speaker 1: shot that there, that's flipping hot. Man, I was miserable.
38:02
Speaker 1: And I can promise you those there are just as
38:05
Speaker 1: miserable as you are. You know, they live in those conditions,
38:07
Speaker 1: but it's not fun. So they're looking for something to
38:11
Speaker 1: to protect them from the sun, to protect them from
38:13
Speaker 1: the heat. Um. And and the areas that jump out
38:16
Speaker 1: at me are are low lying creek beds and and
38:19
Speaker 1: things like that. Um, where they can they can get
38:23
Speaker 1: a few degrees cooler, versus you know, where they're not
38:26
Speaker 1: going to be bedded at is out in the middle
38:28
Speaker 1: of the CRP field. Um. I don't think that's happening
38:31
Speaker 1: a whole lot of September, you know what I'm saying.
38:33
Speaker 1: So you can kind of eliminate that um and you
38:36
Speaker 1: look for shaded areas, you know, cedar thickets are are
38:39
Speaker 1: areas that that are typically a little bit cooler than
38:41
Speaker 1: they are in more open hardwood type tember um and
38:45
Speaker 1: you know, deep valleys, deep drawls, ravines, that sort of thing.
38:48
Speaker 1: I think are um some areas that you can look for.
38:52
Speaker 1: But man, it's just it depends on the buck, you know.
38:54
Speaker 1: And I just told you that they won't be out
38:57
Speaker 1: in those CRP fields. And I gotta re dig on
39:00
Speaker 1: that on that comment, because the buck I told you
39:03
Speaker 1: about earlier than I had him all planned out, that's
39:05
Speaker 1: exactly where he was, Betty. But that was such a
39:07
Speaker 1: such a unique situation. I think it just depends on
39:10
Speaker 1: the deer um, you know. But typically I think of
39:13
Speaker 1: those areas that where the temperature is gonna be just
39:15
Speaker 1: a little bit cooler um, and uh, maybe they have
39:19
Speaker 1: just a little more protection from from the heat and
39:21
Speaker 1: the elements. Yeah, you mentioned that the low lying creek bed,
39:25
Speaker 1: which then brought to mine just water as a factor
39:28
Speaker 1: in September, And exactly how does water, ever, factor into
39:31
Speaker 1: your September huns. You know, good question. Um, I've never
39:41
Speaker 1: I've never keyed in on that. But i will tell
39:44
Speaker 1: you that my buddy Todd Big to be out in
39:46
Speaker 1: Kansas key's in on every year and he has great
39:50
Speaker 1: success using water tanks UM to draw those theory and
39:54
Speaker 1: no different than a lot of guys may use that,
39:55
Speaker 1: put out a feeder or whatever, UM water tanks UM
40:00
Speaker 1: something more you can provide them with. I have enough
40:02
Speaker 1: water around, it's really hard to kind of key in
40:05
Speaker 1: on it. Most of the properties that hunt have natural
40:07
Speaker 1: water sources. That's been hard to key in on it.
40:09
Speaker 1: But if you're in an arid area or your property
40:12
Speaker 1: doesn't have water by all means, figure out a way
40:15
Speaker 1: to get some water, because that could be huge. But
40:18
Speaker 1: I've not ever had the opportunity to really make that
40:20
Speaker 1: a part of UM. And when I'm you know, when
40:23
Speaker 1: I'm managing habitat, I'm installing water near food sources. Why
40:28
Speaker 1: because I know they're gonna want that food source, They're
40:30
Speaker 1: gonna want that water. If I could put everything they
40:32
Speaker 1: want in one area, I feel like I've you know,
40:34
Speaker 1: within reason, I feel like I've accomplished something, and I
40:38
Speaker 1: just up my odds of being that there there in daylight. Yeah, yeah,
40:42
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Uh, well, I want to wrap it
40:44
Speaker 1: up with this one. Uh, what do you think is
40:49
Speaker 1: worse when hunting in September for you in Kentucky at least?
40:53
Speaker 1: Is it the bugs or is it the heat? And
40:55
Speaker 1: whichever when you pick, how do you deal with it? Um?
41:03
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the heat I have hunted where I
41:05
Speaker 1: had mosquito is pretty bad. Um and the little fighting,
41:08
Speaker 1: fighting midges. But my thermocell is always with me, So
41:12
Speaker 1: that's a that's a pretty easy solution to to the bugs.
41:16
Speaker 1: The heat, there's no The heat, by far at is
41:18
Speaker 1: worse and there is no there is no solution, but
41:21
Speaker 1: you will see me. We hunt out a banks blinds
41:24
Speaker 1: a lot um. We both hunt out of them. It's
41:27
Speaker 1: it's they're so good at containing your scent. And I
41:29
Speaker 1: know there's no ways you can't beat a deer's nose,
41:32
Speaker 1: but anything you can do to help, I try to
41:34
Speaker 1: do it. We hunt out of those blinds a lot,
41:36
Speaker 1: and it is it is miserable. If it's ninety six
41:39
Speaker 1: greets outside, it's a hundred and forty inside that blind
41:41
Speaker 1: it's a sauna. So I shot a buck a few
41:44
Speaker 1: years ago down in Georgia. UM at the Gopher plantation.
41:48
Speaker 1: It was. It was an invite hunt with with UM
41:51
Speaker 1: Big Deer TV. Big Deer TV. I think I can't
41:54
Speaker 1: think of the hosts name right off, but anyway, UM,
41:56
Speaker 1: they put me on television walking into my blind with
41:59
Speaker 1: my LA crossed boots on and shorts and a T shirt.
42:02
Speaker 1: That's the way I hunt it all evening and try
42:03
Speaker 1: to beat that summer heat. But I was gonna blind,
42:05
Speaker 1: you know, and it worked worked out great. Um. I've
42:08
Speaker 1: got a little ry b one plus battery operated fan
42:12
Speaker 1: that I put in those blinds with me. Um and
42:15
Speaker 1: call me a wis if you want, but it helps. UM.
42:18
Speaker 1: But in a deer stand man, I just you know what.
42:21
Speaker 1: One of the things I've done year in a year
42:23
Speaker 1: out is these little uh scent wipes. I don't use
42:27
Speaker 1: them because I feel like they killed the scent. But
42:28
Speaker 1: they're wet, they're moist, even baby wife sun centered baby wipes.
42:32
Speaker 1: I'll take them in a tree with me where where
42:34
Speaker 1: a T shirt. I'll changed shirts. I'll put that sweaty
42:37
Speaker 1: shirt into a into a gallon zip lock bags. Stuff
42:40
Speaker 1: that down in my backpack. And then I'll just kind
42:42
Speaker 1: of bathe in that tree stand with with those cool
42:45
Speaker 1: wet wipes to get trying to get as much as
42:48
Speaker 1: a scent off of me. And once I'm not walking,
42:49
Speaker 1: you know, I cooled out a little bit, and that
42:52
Speaker 1: that moisture evaporating will cool you down. That I put
42:54
Speaker 1: my hunt shirt back on and are a hunting shirt on,
42:57
Speaker 1: you know, some sort of camouflage shirt, lightweight and um,
43:00
Speaker 1: and and get back to hunting. But to be honest,
43:03
Speaker 1: I killed a beautiful velvet buck a few years ago
43:06
Speaker 1: and that's probably that. Probably that was my retirement guest
43:12
Speaker 1: to September bow hunting. It is so hot and miserable.
43:15
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'll never do it. If I had
43:17
Speaker 1: a two deer in full velvet, you know, I'm I'm
43:20
Speaker 1: definitely gonna get out to hunting. But I'm done hunting
43:22
Speaker 1: on forties and one fifties and September. I can tell
43:24
Speaker 1: you that. Um, it's just it's just miserable. It's no
43:27
Speaker 1: way to beat the eat. There's no way. I will
43:29
Speaker 1: tell you this though. If you can catch I'll end
43:32
Speaker 1: on this. Uh, if you can catch a cold front
43:36
Speaker 1: in September, it can be. It could be magical. And
43:39
Speaker 1: I'll tell this real quick story. A few years ago, Um,
43:43
Speaker 1: the farmer had the farmer where I was hunting, had
43:45
Speaker 1: had started cutting some some corn. I don't know what happened.
43:49
Speaker 1: It was combined, broken or whatever, but he got about
43:51
Speaker 1: six or eight acres of this hundred acre cornfield cut
43:54
Speaker 1: right in the corner of the field. And uh, it
43:58
Speaker 1: left a lot of standing corn up. And the wind
44:01
Speaker 1: was wrong for me to hunt, my dear stands, but
44:03
Speaker 1: it was perfect for me to slip in there and
44:05
Speaker 1: set all five gallon bucket in that corn field right
44:08
Speaker 1: on the edge of where it had been harvested. And
44:11
Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday, the opening weekend, it was ninety six
44:14
Speaker 1: degrees and I'm looking at the weather and on on
44:17
Speaker 1: Sunday night we had this cold front blow end and
44:20
Speaker 1: it went from ninety six to sixty four overnight. It
44:23
Speaker 1: was spitting the rain, it was misty. It just felt
44:26
Speaker 1: like fall, you know. It was perfect. And I got
44:28
Speaker 1: in there on my bucket and there was there was
44:31
Speaker 1: a couple of three year old ten pointers out there
44:33
Speaker 1: chasing those like it was November. It's the craziest thing
44:36
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. And Um, I whip the shot at
44:38
Speaker 1: one of them about twenty five yards, had hit the
44:41
Speaker 1: hit the stalk of corn, and sent my ral sailing,
44:45
Speaker 1: you know, thirty yards out of out of range. But
44:47
Speaker 1: it was a pretty magical, pretty magical weekend. So if
44:50
Speaker 1: we can catch one of those weekends this September, I'll
44:53
Speaker 1: be I'll be in the woods, you know, because those
44:55
Speaker 1: deer will will feed early on those cool, those cool evenings.
44:59
Speaker 1: It's just a round are playing the kid. Yeah, I'm
45:02
Speaker 1: hoping and praying for one of those two days. So
45:04
Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking a time and good luck this season. Hey,
45:08
Speaker 1: thanks Mark, You'll have to do one al right. Next up,
45:12
Speaker 1: we're gonna hear from Greg Godfrey from Tethered Nation. Alright, Greg,
45:17
Speaker 1: we're talking September. And when I say September white tail hunting,
45:22
Speaker 1: what's the most important thing, Like, what's the thing that
45:25
Speaker 1: pops up in your mind? Is the top headline when
45:27
Speaker 1: it comes to how you're gonna kill a bucket this time,
45:31
Speaker 1: it's got to be food. I mean, at this point
45:33
Speaker 1: in time, the bucks are still grouped up in their
45:35
Speaker 1: bachelor groups. They're not worried about seeking does They're they're
45:40
Speaker 1: not worried about their peck in order just yet, especially
45:43
Speaker 1: early September when they're still in velvet. So it's all
45:45
Speaker 1: about the food. My favorite food source this time of
45:48
Speaker 1: year is beans. If you're somewhere where there are beans,
45:52
Speaker 1: it's phenomenal. Where I live in Georgia, we don't have
45:55
Speaker 1: any egg it's all. It's all swamp country. And at
45:58
Speaker 1: that point I really folk us on per Simmons, the
46:02
Speaker 1: dear love per simmons. Early they seek them out the palm,
46:05
Speaker 1: out of the ground. They'll walk along ways to get them.
46:08
Speaker 1: But up in agg country really focus on beans. What
46:12
Speaker 1: about a situation down in the south of US persimmons? Um,
46:17
Speaker 1: I've never hunted anywhere that I came across them, but
46:21
Speaker 1: I know lots of times I find like an isolated
46:23
Speaker 1: apple tree or something up here in Michigan. That's that's
46:26
Speaker 1: like the spot to be with per Simmons. Do you
46:29
Speaker 1: find them in that kind of situation where there's there's
46:31
Speaker 1: one and that's the obvious one, or are there places
46:34
Speaker 1: where there's a whole bunch and they're spread around and
46:37
Speaker 1: your face with this dilemma, like how do you pick
46:39
Speaker 1: the right food on an early season hunt? With mask
46:41
Speaker 1: in mind. Um, you know what's what's your thought prices
46:45
Speaker 1: when it comes to trying to pick the right tree
46:47
Speaker 1: or the right patch, I would say it's real similar
46:51
Speaker 1: to what you face up in Michigan. I used to
46:53
Speaker 1: when I was an active duty. I was stationed at
46:55
Speaker 1: four Drum, New York, and there were a lot of
46:57
Speaker 1: wild apple trees and a lot of old farm steads,
47:00
Speaker 1: and it was kind of the same way I hunted
47:02
Speaker 1: per Simmons in the South. I would hunt those apple
47:05
Speaker 1: trees probably the same tactic that you use mark. If
47:07
Speaker 1: you find one alone next to thick security cover, that's
47:11
Speaker 1: gonna be just a home run. But a lot of
47:14
Speaker 1: times the per Simmons down here, it will be the
47:16
Speaker 1: same way you'll find one, and it's just full of fruit.
47:19
Speaker 1: I've I've encountered him where the branches were hanging. There
47:22
Speaker 1: was so full of fruit that it was just hanging
47:24
Speaker 1: down almost touching the ground. And a persymmetry is really tall.
47:28
Speaker 1: So a lot of times that's how you can even
47:30
Speaker 1: spot them, because they'll be up above the rest of
47:33
Speaker 1: the canopy. And uh so a lot of times the
47:35
Speaker 1: fruits weigh up high. But yeah, if you can find
47:37
Speaker 1: a loan per symmetry, next to thick cover, next to swamp,
47:41
Speaker 1: next to bedding, next to something like that, that's going
47:44
Speaker 1: to be a home run. Yeah, that sounds that sounds
47:46
Speaker 1: like a nice set up. Now, now back to agg
47:48
Speaker 1: country then, I know you're heading the North Dakota soon
47:51
Speaker 1: where you've got some of that agg. I'm thinking it's
47:55
Speaker 1: public land and a lot of people when they go
47:58
Speaker 1: on these traveling September hunts, like you're gonna do there
48:00
Speaker 1: heading to a place that they don't know terribly well,
48:02
Speaker 1: maybe they've never been there before and they've got a
48:04
Speaker 1: short amount of time. And so again the same question
48:07
Speaker 1: like finding the right food. I know that beings are important, right,
48:10
Speaker 1: but want to show up and there's thousands of acres
48:12
Speaker 1: of beings on all sorts of different parts of the state,
48:15
Speaker 1: and I've got multiple public options that can look at.
48:18
Speaker 1: How do you go about narrowing down like what's the
48:20
Speaker 1: right being field to be close to, what's the right
48:23
Speaker 1: spot to start on my September short, you know week trip.
48:29
Speaker 1: So for me, the number one factor almost always in
48:34
Speaker 1: any any phase of deer season, whether it be the rut,
48:37
Speaker 1: early season, late season, even if I'm hunting food or
48:40
Speaker 1: betting or whatever. The next the next factor is almost
48:44
Speaker 1: always pressure. So you're right in North Dakota. There's billions
48:49
Speaker 1: of beans there, literally everywhere, and what sets one part
48:53
Speaker 1: one apart from the next can be difficult. But if
48:56
Speaker 1: you can find one that it's hard to access, maybe
48:59
Speaker 1: it's a long walk, maybe you have to scale a
49:02
Speaker 1: creek cliff or something, or you have to get in
49:05
Speaker 1: a boat or put your waiters on and cross some water.
49:07
Speaker 1: Any sort of obstacle that will keep hunters away and
49:11
Speaker 1: make the pressure just marginally lower is where I have
49:16
Speaker 1: had the best success. It's it doesn't seem to be
49:19
Speaker 1: the magic bullet, if there even is such a thing
49:21
Speaker 1: in white tail hunting, But if you can find the food,
49:24
Speaker 1: and then you can find the food that's less pressured,
49:27
Speaker 1: it would whatever obstacle it is, it's keeping hunters out
49:31
Speaker 1: that is the next the next best thing for me, Yeah,
49:34
Speaker 1: speak on that pressure. Here's something that I that I
49:36
Speaker 1: feel like I've kind of anecdotally noticed. I wonder if
49:39
Speaker 1: this is something you've seen. It seems that in you know,
49:44
Speaker 1: late October, November or December, when all the leaf covers down,
49:48
Speaker 1: it's easier for other hunters to go deep because it's
49:51
Speaker 1: just easier to walk, it's not as uncomfortable. You can
49:54
Speaker 1: see farther, so you can see, oh wow, there's this
49:56
Speaker 1: other thing fo yards down the way. I'll keep going
50:00
Speaker 1: to get there. But when you get to September, when
50:02
Speaker 1: it's a jungle in certain places, it seems like people
50:06
Speaker 1: just aren't as willing to push through all that jungle
50:08
Speaker 1: cover because it's just like I said, uncomfortable, thorny, pokey, leafy, wet, humid,
50:14
Speaker 1: uh and you can't see anything, so you don't know
50:16
Speaker 1: what is ahead of you. And so so it seems
50:19
Speaker 1: like on average, maybe the pressure doesn't push in as
50:22
Speaker 1: far in these early September hunts because of that. Maybe
50:25
Speaker 1: is that is there anything to that? Have you seen that?
50:27
Speaker 1: And that maybe it opens up more of that far
50:30
Speaker 1: away stuff on these early September hunts, then you might
50:33
Speaker 1: be able to take advantage of November when everyone's pushing in.
50:38
Speaker 1: I would completely agree, because it doesn't to me If
50:40
Speaker 1: I have to walk through briars and nasty stuff and
50:43
Speaker 1: get cut up and get wet and gross, yeah, I
50:46
Speaker 1: don't want to do it either. So in Georgia, if
50:50
Speaker 1: I'm just being honest, I'm probably not gonna do it.
50:52
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna grab a boat and I'm gonna go
50:55
Speaker 1: around the river and I'm gonna find a spot that
50:58
Speaker 1: is really easy for me to get to us in
51:00
Speaker 1: a creative access like a boat. But then again, in Georgia,
51:03
Speaker 1: where I hunt in the swamps, there's really not a
51:05
Speaker 1: lot of trophy potential, so it's kind of like, you know,
51:08
Speaker 1: is the juice worth to squeeze? And a mature deer
51:11
Speaker 1: will be a hundred thirty pounds, So it's a lot
51:13
Speaker 1: different when I'm up in North Dakota and I know that,
51:17
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred and a big deer. I you know,
51:20
Speaker 1: score isn't really that important to me. But a big
51:22
Speaker 1: trophy animal that is willing to go on my wall,
51:26
Speaker 1: that is something that is realistic, So it makes it
51:29
Speaker 1: a little bit easier for me. But I think you
51:31
Speaker 1: hit the nail on the head this the early season.
51:34
Speaker 1: I think people get complacent too. I know I do.
51:36
Speaker 1: I guess I can speak for me. I'm like, oh,
51:38
Speaker 1: it's the first week of September. The hunting is not
51:41
Speaker 1: even really that good yet. You know, I gotta wait
51:44
Speaker 1: till the first week in November, then I'm really going hard.
51:47
Speaker 1: So I think it's also easier to get complacent early
51:50
Speaker 1: in the season because you know, you have quote the
51:53
Speaker 1: best hunting is still yet to come. So let's break
51:57
Speaker 1: down an example. You killed a don nice buck in
52:01
Speaker 1: September last year, right, and it was kind of a
52:05
Speaker 1: situation like we're discussing here, can can you correct me
52:08
Speaker 1: if I've got anything wrong there? And then lay that
52:10
Speaker 1: out a little bit more and you know you didn't
52:11
Speaker 1: have to push in too far. I don't think on
52:13
Speaker 1: that hunt, how did that work out? That hunt? I
52:17
Speaker 1: killed that buck. Um. I didn't score it, so I
52:20
Speaker 1: don't know what it scored, but just for for reference,
52:24
Speaker 1: it's probably you know, a mid one thirties nine point um.
52:27
Speaker 1: But he was an absolute giant deer. Everyone we walked
52:31
Speaker 1: on the deer after I killed it, everyone was like,
52:34
Speaker 1: holy crap, that thing is a horse. He had to
52:36
Speaker 1: be three hundred pounds. I mean, he was a giant um.
52:40
Speaker 1: But it's probably not three pounds at this point in time,
52:42
Speaker 1: but one of those deer that would have been three
52:44
Speaker 1: hundred pounds if if that makes sense, he was longer
52:47
Speaker 1: than me. There's a picture of I I'm a short guy,
52:50
Speaker 1: but still I laid down next to the deer after
52:52
Speaker 1: we took the gripping grand photos and the deer was
52:55
Speaker 1: longer than me. Um, but yeah, you you pretty much
52:58
Speaker 1: nailed it. That was Uh, that was the North Dakota
53:01
Speaker 1: public land hunt. We It was the second or I
53:06
Speaker 1: think the second to last day of the hunt. Hadn't
53:09
Speaker 1: had a whole lot of success. I had had one
53:11
Speaker 1: other opportunity at a mature buck, he just didn't come
53:14
Speaker 1: in close enough. It was a big buck. Um. And
53:16
Speaker 1: then we found this little kind of I don't necessarily
53:20
Speaker 1: want to say it was an overlooked peace but the
53:24
Speaker 1: way we accessed it was unusual. So in North Dakota,
53:28
Speaker 1: the laws are if private land isn't posted accordingly, then
53:33
Speaker 1: you can you can hunt that land, and you can
53:35
Speaker 1: access that land as long as you follow us a
53:38
Speaker 1: set of rules that that they have. Now they've they've
53:40
Speaker 1: changed that up a little bit for the season, but
53:43
Speaker 1: last year it was completely illegal, and so we accessed
53:47
Speaker 1: through a private piece that wasn't posted. They gave us
53:51
Speaker 1: access to a portion of the public that would have
53:54
Speaker 1: been really, really difficult to get to with the traditional
53:58
Speaker 1: parking lot access. So I think that's really where we
54:02
Speaker 1: killed the buck. Was thinking through it creatively and coming
54:06
Speaker 1: at it from a way that other hunters just weren't
54:10
Speaker 1: thinking about. And I could actually see my truck. I
54:13
Speaker 1: was in the tree and my truck was maybe forty
54:17
Speaker 1: yards from from me. I mean I could literally see
54:20
Speaker 1: the truck. And the way it happened. We had planned
54:23
Speaker 1: to walk down and hunt this oxbow in a river
54:26
Speaker 1: afternoon hunt and it was really thick, so we figured
54:28
Speaker 1: there'd be bucks betting in there, so we were gonna
54:30
Speaker 1: hunt the edge of the of the betting and try
54:34
Speaker 1: to catch them coming out to the agg fields. Well,
54:36
Speaker 1: we walked twenty yards in from the private land and
54:39
Speaker 1: there was just sign everywhere. I'm talking tracks and and
54:44
Speaker 1: fresh droppings and rubs, and this is the first week
54:48
Speaker 1: of September, and I'm like, holy crap. I was hunting
54:50
Speaker 1: with Carl, the Michael Jordan of Sewing from Tethered and
54:54
Speaker 1: and both he and I kind of looked at each
54:56
Speaker 1: other and we so had, you know, a three quarter
54:58
Speaker 1: of them mile walk ahead of us, and we were like,
55:01
Speaker 1: should we really hunt right here right next to the truck?
55:05
Speaker 1: I mean, all the sign was there if we had
55:08
Speaker 1: found this spot three quarters of a mile deep in
55:11
Speaker 1: the public Every hunter in America would have set up
55:14
Speaker 1: on this sign. It was that fresh and that good.
55:18
Speaker 1: But it was just so close to the edge that
55:21
Speaker 1: we thought, now, this is this for real, and you know,
55:24
Speaker 1: we we we went ahead and followed our gut and
55:27
Speaker 1: we set up right there twenty yards in the woods,
55:29
Speaker 1: forty yards from my truck. I could see the truck
55:31
Speaker 1: and we had uh six bucks in total come in
55:35
Speaker 1: on us and two shooters, and I just was fortunate
55:39
Speaker 1: to get the biggest one out of the whole bunch.
55:41
Speaker 1: It was incredible. Uh So, here's a question. A lot
55:45
Speaker 1: of folks, when they talked September, especially folks are hunting
55:48
Speaker 1: private land, really talk about being really selective with when
55:52
Speaker 1: you hunt, writing for the waiting for the perfect conditions,
55:55
Speaker 1: and keeping tabs on the buck and when they you know,
55:58
Speaker 1: on opening night, if they're moving in daylight, they're going
56:00
Speaker 1: for the strike. But if it's you know, not the
56:02
Speaker 1: right wind or not the right weather, they're gonna wait.
56:05
Speaker 1: That's you know, a tactic or general approach that a
56:08
Speaker 1: lot of people take on the flip side when you're
56:10
Speaker 1: on a public land hunt. Like this. My assumption is
56:13
Speaker 1: that you're saying, forget about all that stuff. I've got
56:15
Speaker 1: five days, I got a hunt. Um, is there any
56:18
Speaker 1: way that wind? I mean wind obviously, But whether does
56:21
Speaker 1: weather impact what you're doing at all? Do you get
56:25
Speaker 1: more aggressive when you've got those great cold fronts or
56:27
Speaker 1: you're just going four balls to the wall the whole time? Well?
56:31
Speaker 1: I think, I mean you pretty much laid it out
56:33
Speaker 1: when you're on a when you're taking time off work,
56:36
Speaker 1: you've got vacation days you're using, and and you've only
56:39
Speaker 1: got you know, five six seven days to hunt, I mean,
56:41
Speaker 1: you're pretty much gonna go ball to the wall. I
56:43
Speaker 1: don't I don't really see anywhere around it, especially if
56:46
Speaker 1: it's not your home turf and you're not too worried
56:48
Speaker 1: about buggering up a deer. Um. I know me personally,
56:52
Speaker 1: that's what That's what I've done on my early September hunts,
56:56
Speaker 1: which I've really only done a couple because I've I've
56:58
Speaker 1: only really ever had a chance to do it a
57:00
Speaker 1: couple of times. But yeah, there was there was not
57:03
Speaker 1: really any waiting around for a cold front or the
57:06
Speaker 1: right perfect scenario, just because this we're limited by time. Now,
57:10
Speaker 1: if I lived in ad country and I had access
57:13
Speaker 1: to maybe some private land, and I think I probably
57:17
Speaker 1: would do that. I think that would be a way
57:19
Speaker 1: more precise way of doing it, to to surgically pick
57:24
Speaker 1: up part your area and really hunt your trail cams
57:27
Speaker 1: and really understand how the deer moving and then moving
57:30
Speaker 1: for the kill. Um. One of my hunting heroes, John Eberhart,
57:34
Speaker 1: that's exactly how he does it. Another guy, Andy May,
57:37
Speaker 1: that's exactly how he does it. I've seen him do it.
57:40
Speaker 1: And those guys are killers. And if I had that opportunity,
57:45
Speaker 1: that's probably the tactic that I would use. But I mean,
57:48
Speaker 1: I live in Georgia and I drove twenty six hours
57:51
Speaker 1: to hunt North Dakota, So I'm not gonna sit out
57:54
Speaker 1: just because it's hot. Yeah. So speaking of hot, let's
57:58
Speaker 1: wrap it up with this one. Most people would look
58:00
Speaker 1: at September hunts, whether they're in Georgia or North Dakota
58:04
Speaker 1: or Kentucky or parts in between, a lot of these
58:06
Speaker 1: early September openers, and they're thinking it kind of sounds
58:10
Speaker 1: miserable if it comes to the heat or the bugs,
58:13
Speaker 1: mosquitoes or ticks, stuff like that. Do you have a
58:17
Speaker 1: trick to dealing with either one of those things? Anything
58:20
Speaker 1: to help deal with the discomforts of September Hunter Well, so,
58:26
Speaker 1: I mean thermal cells. I think anybody in the South,
58:29
Speaker 1: probably nationwide knows about their m sells. Thermal cells work
58:33
Speaker 1: down here. I take a thermo cell with me in
58:36
Speaker 1: Georgia pretty much through November, you know, certain certain years,
58:40
Speaker 1: So I absolutely believe in a thermo cell. The other
58:44
Speaker 1: thing is lighter weight gear. You know, there's lots of
58:48
Speaker 1: good tree stands out there and other saddle systems out
58:51
Speaker 1: there that can lighten your loads significantly, and the fewer
58:56
Speaker 1: pounds that are on your back, the less you're gonna sweat,
58:59
Speaker 1: the more comfortable it's gonna be once you're climbing the tree.
59:03
Speaker 1: So I would say gear probably makes a big difference.
59:06
Speaker 1: And also clothing. I'm a big fan of the Marino
59:10
Speaker 1: wool like you can find in First Light and some
59:13
Speaker 1: other brands out there. There's lots of places you can
59:15
Speaker 1: get Marino um. But that's a big, big difference maker
59:19
Speaker 1: to me because it it wicks the sweat away, it
59:22
Speaker 1: cools you off. So yeah, I would say that's it.
59:26
Speaker 1: But mostly it's just For me, it's just Grin and
59:29
Speaker 1: Barrett and uh. If I'm honest, I don't grin Embarratt
59:32
Speaker 1: too much down here in Georgia. I don't really get
59:35
Speaker 1: started until like mid October when it cools off a
59:37
Speaker 1: little bit, just because I'm a baby when it. When
59:39
Speaker 1: it comes to Georgia hunting, it can be Uh, it
59:42
Speaker 1: can be tough. Even the hot days in Michigan and
59:44
Speaker 1: October one, I don't I can't imagine early September or
59:48
Speaker 1: mid September and Georgia. So Greg, this is perfect. I
59:52
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I can't wait to hear how the September
59:55
Speaker 1: North Dakota hunt goes forth. Thanks Mark. Alright, moving on,
1:00:12
Speaker 1: let's get in it with Sean Lucktell from Heartland bow Hunter. Alright, Sean,
1:00:18
Speaker 1: when you think of September bow hunting, what's the first
1:00:22
Speaker 1: thing that comes to mind when you're thinking white tails
1:00:25
Speaker 1: in September? I would say the first thing that comes
1:00:29
Speaker 1: to mind to me is is a cold front on
1:00:33
Speaker 1: on a green some sort of green food plot. And
1:00:36
Speaker 1: I have that scenario. You can usually count on it
1:00:40
Speaker 1: being pretty good. When you say green food plot, Like,
1:00:43
Speaker 1: what's your ideal early season September green food plot. I mean,
1:00:47
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of different green options out there. If
1:00:49
Speaker 1: you could pick your your spot, what would it be?
1:00:53
Speaker 1: You know, I go back and forth between Braska's and
1:00:56
Speaker 1: clover U. I used to not be a huge believer
1:00:59
Speaker 1: in Clover and until we started planning it more often,
1:01:03
Speaker 1: and each year I become more confident in it. So
1:01:07
Speaker 1: I can't say one or the other. But it just
1:01:10
Speaker 1: depends on what is showing up on the trail cameras
1:01:13
Speaker 1: on on either one of those plots. But if I
1:01:16
Speaker 1: absolutely had to choose one or the other, I'm actually
1:01:20
Speaker 1: leaning more towards Clover now, being that that green food
1:01:23
Speaker 1: source because of the tonnage that it puts on the
1:01:26
Speaker 1: fact that it can just continually browsed on some browse
1:01:30
Speaker 1: pressure and and come back and provide more food, whereas
1:01:34
Speaker 1: which your brasska blends um that tends to get eaten
1:01:37
Speaker 1: down and it it's not gonna come back once they've
1:01:39
Speaker 1: eaten it down. Yeah. So you know a lot of
1:01:42
Speaker 1: people talk about braska Is being a late season thing
1:01:45
Speaker 1: when supposedly they get more sugary, And then of course
1:01:48
Speaker 1: there's the balls and stuff. Are there any particular brass
1:01:51
Speaker 1: because that you find are that early season attraction or
1:01:56
Speaker 1: you're finding just about anything author that they'll start hitting
1:01:58
Speaker 1: those greens earlier than maybe some people expect. Yeah, I
1:02:02
Speaker 1: would say that having radishes blended in with with your
1:02:07
Speaker 1: turn ups tends to help bring the deer in earlier on.
1:02:11
Speaker 1: They seem to focus more on radishes. I've I've done
1:02:14
Speaker 1: them separately and that works as well as long as
1:02:16
Speaker 1: you have a big enough radish plot. But I've had
1:02:19
Speaker 1: I'd say the majority of our plots are between a
1:02:22
Speaker 1: half acre or two an acre, and if it's just
1:02:25
Speaker 1: strictly radishes, they'll wipe the radishes out early on. I
1:02:30
Speaker 1: mean at least on our farm where we have a
1:02:31
Speaker 1: little bit higher deer gear pressure and larger population. Gotcha.
1:02:36
Speaker 1: So what about on one of these spots if you
1:02:39
Speaker 1: had to kind of map out the ideal set up?
1:02:42
Speaker 1: So I know you mentioned you want a cold front,
1:02:45
Speaker 1: you want the green food source, so it's a clover plot.
1:02:48
Speaker 1: But how would you map up maybe you actually have
1:02:50
Speaker 1: a spot like this on one of your places that
1:02:53
Speaker 1: you hunt. Can you map out like the ideal way
1:02:55
Speaker 1: you would access, where your trees stand would be positioned,
1:02:58
Speaker 1: what the food plot would be shaped, like where it
1:03:00
Speaker 1: would be in relation to betting cover or staging areas
1:03:03
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Can you kind of paint me
1:03:05
Speaker 1: a picture of this perfect September stand site. Yeah, So
1:03:10
Speaker 1: the one that actually first comes to mind is the
1:03:12
Speaker 1: one that we've got on our farm that I'm I'm
1:03:14
Speaker 1: headed to right now, and that's our main farm in
1:03:16
Speaker 1: northern Missouria behind and this plot particularly really isn't all
1:03:21
Speaker 1: that far from the house, which is ideal for early
1:03:25
Speaker 1: season and late season or any really for that matter,
1:03:27
Speaker 1: anytime of the fall. Um, because of the access it's
1:03:30
Speaker 1: not it's got to be i don't know, two to
1:03:33
Speaker 1: three d yards from from the house and you're traveling
1:03:37
Speaker 1: north to get to it. So it's set up for
1:03:39
Speaker 1: north wind your field or your wind blows back to
1:03:42
Speaker 1: the south, which is where you come from. And um,
1:03:47
Speaker 1: there's a an agg field this year. It's in beans
1:03:50
Speaker 1: that's to the south and and also to the west
1:03:53
Speaker 1: of this particular spot, and it's set up perfectly. It's
1:03:56
Speaker 1: more of a staging plot. So the deer come out
1:03:58
Speaker 1: of the woods into this plot which all the covers
1:04:02
Speaker 1: to the north and to the to the east and
1:04:04
Speaker 1: a little bit to the west. But not not so
1:04:06
Speaker 1: much like it is to the north and east, and
1:04:09
Speaker 1: so the easier come into this food plot. It's fairly secluded.
1:04:13
Speaker 1: We left a layer of trees in between this plot
1:04:16
Speaker 1: and um the agg fields, which is the destination of
1:04:19
Speaker 1: food source. And you know, you can count on a
1:04:22
Speaker 1: lot of deer piling in there prior to them going
1:04:24
Speaker 1: out to that act field and having a north wind
1:04:27
Speaker 1: uh following a cold front with high pressure system is
1:04:29
Speaker 1: just ideal and perfect setup in my mind for early
1:04:33
Speaker 1: season success. And you can get in there pretty well
1:04:36
Speaker 1: undetected and getting out, you can get get out pretty
1:04:39
Speaker 1: well undetected. So if if you're late getting in there,
1:04:42
Speaker 1: which is sometimes the case for all of us, you
1:04:45
Speaker 1: can usually still get in there without the deer knowing
1:04:48
Speaker 1: that you're there. So what does that mean for the
1:04:51
Speaker 1: stand actually is are you not right on the edge
1:04:53
Speaker 1: of the field, or like, how do you get in
1:04:55
Speaker 1: there without deer? In this particular spot, there really aren't
1:05:02
Speaker 1: any good trees And I know we've all been there,
1:05:04
Speaker 1: and I actually had a guy asking me about that
1:05:06
Speaker 1: the other day and he just he wanted to be
1:05:08
Speaker 1: in a tree, and I want to be in a
1:05:09
Speaker 1: tree as well. I prefer being in a tree just
1:05:11
Speaker 1: because of the environment and um just being out there
1:05:15
Speaker 1: and in the climate and all that experiencing it all.
1:05:18
Speaker 1: But for this certain situation, there is not a tree
1:05:21
Speaker 1: that will work. So we have a little elevated blind
1:05:24
Speaker 1: that we put in there, um and it's you know,
1:05:28
Speaker 1: you can get into that thing fairly quickly. I've also
1:05:31
Speaker 1: used little hay veil blind as well, and that seems
1:05:34
Speaker 1: to work work good too. But yeah, so unfortunately in
1:05:39
Speaker 1: this situation we have to hunt out of a blind
1:05:41
Speaker 1: and um, you know, it's comfortable and it's great, but
1:05:44
Speaker 1: me particularly if if we can be in a tree stand,
1:05:46
Speaker 1: it seems to be just more of the element of
1:05:50
Speaker 1: bow honey in my opinion. Yeah, the field, I mean
1:05:54
Speaker 1: as effective as a blinds are, and I've used them,
1:05:56
Speaker 1: and you're right, they work in a lot of situations,
1:05:58
Speaker 1: but the field is just different. Um. Yeah, you know
1:06:02
Speaker 1: a lot of these early season you know, September food
1:06:05
Speaker 1: related hunts. Um. It's easy to get, you know, to
1:06:09
Speaker 1: get in there before the deer arrive and their feeding
1:06:12
Speaker 1: through and you're a great setup. But if you don't
1:06:14
Speaker 1: kill your buck on that night, I know, unless you
1:06:16
Speaker 1: really careful about how you have this position, it can
1:06:19
Speaker 1: be hard to get out of that without spooking deer.
1:06:21
Speaker 1: And you mentioned there's there's a strip of treason between
1:06:24
Speaker 1: your staging plot and the destination plot. But I'm still wondering,
1:06:27
Speaker 1: how do you get out of there without dear knowing
1:06:30
Speaker 1: you're around? Do you have someone pick you up or
1:06:33
Speaker 1: is there a little way you can sneak out the backside? Yeah,
1:06:36
Speaker 1: so we've done that. We've had um, someone pick us up, UM.
1:06:40
Speaker 1: But that doesn't necessarily always you know, schedules don't necessarily
1:06:43
Speaker 1: always line up for having someone else come pick you up.
1:06:46
Speaker 1: So we've stayed in the blind before UM untill well
1:06:50
Speaker 1: after dark, you know, an hour or two after where
1:06:52
Speaker 1: you can still sometimes glass providing the moonlight UM and
1:06:56
Speaker 1: make sure that the deer has left or whatever. And
1:07:00
Speaker 1: in this, with this setup, there's only really three access
1:07:04
Speaker 1: points because when we designed to this, we had to
1:07:08
Speaker 1: doze the trees out to make the plot. And so
1:07:11
Speaker 1: when we dozed it out, we piled those up, those
1:07:14
Speaker 1: trees into that um that buffer strip of trees that
1:07:18
Speaker 1: we left in between the food plot in the act field,
1:07:21
Speaker 1: and we used that as well as kind of a
1:07:24
Speaker 1: a way to get in and out undetected by traveling
1:07:26
Speaker 1: behind it, um wherever the deer might be. UM. That
1:07:31
Speaker 1: kind of also created another issue, which is a different subject.
1:07:36
Speaker 1: But we later found out that you know that that's
1:07:39
Speaker 1: actually a good, um good way to provide cover for predators,
1:07:45
Speaker 1: you know, for bobcats and um kyots to dinner and
1:07:49
Speaker 1: so sooner than later we'll most likely get rid of
1:07:52
Speaker 1: a lot of those in there. But as far as
1:07:55
Speaker 1: from a hunting standpoint, it's it's provided to get sense
1:07:58
Speaker 1: of cover for getting in and undetected. Yeah. Now you
1:08:03
Speaker 1: mentioned the weather conditions that you like to wait for.
1:08:07
Speaker 1: When you don't have that kind of weather, are you
1:08:10
Speaker 1: just not gonna hunt or do you do some kind
1:08:12
Speaker 1: of glassing or do you go to different places? Like
1:08:15
Speaker 1: what's your take on the off weather days? Yeah, I
1:08:19
Speaker 1: think it's super crucial not to um. I mean, if
1:08:22
Speaker 1: your wind is wrong, then I think most of us
1:08:26
Speaker 1: know that that's not it's not even an option to
1:08:29
Speaker 1: go in there and try to hunt on the wrong wind. Uh.
1:08:32
Speaker 1: And and I would if I don't have somewhere else
1:08:34
Speaker 1: to hunt, which usually I do, But if I don't,
1:08:37
Speaker 1: then I would use that opportunity as UM on that
1:08:40
Speaker 1: particular area as a scouting evening where I can I
1:08:44
Speaker 1: can see a lot of that from the road, So
1:08:46
Speaker 1: I would go to the road and be able to
1:08:48
Speaker 1: to glass that a field which is a destination food source.
1:08:51
Speaker 1: UM with my my spotting shope or binoculars. You know,
1:08:55
Speaker 1: I can't see into that food plot really very well
1:08:57
Speaker 1: at all from the road, but I can't see where
1:08:59
Speaker 1: they're headed to. And then I've also got usually i've
1:09:02
Speaker 1: got a couple of cell cans on that plot, so
1:09:04
Speaker 1: you can get an idea at least you know a
1:09:07
Speaker 1: number of deer that are going in and out of there.
1:09:10
Speaker 1: So so much of these early season hunts, it's it's
1:09:13
Speaker 1: getting that timing right. If you have a spot like this,
1:09:15
Speaker 1: it's this it's just then picking the right night to
1:09:17
Speaker 1: go in there. But what about this kind of tricky scenario.
1:09:21
Speaker 1: It's kind of simple when you know, like, oh, we
1:09:23
Speaker 1: get the cold front coming in and I've got this
1:09:25
Speaker 1: dynamite spot, this should be the day to go in, UM.
1:09:28
Speaker 1: And then the flip side could be, oh, i've got
1:09:30
Speaker 1: pictures of this buck moving in daylight on my cell cam.
1:09:33
Speaker 1: I should go in. But what if you get the
1:09:36
Speaker 1: scenario where you've had a handful of days where he
1:09:39
Speaker 1: has showed up in daylight or really close to daylight. Um,
1:09:43
Speaker 1: so you would say, Okay, I gotta get in there.
1:09:45
Speaker 1: Maybe this is your first day with a good wind.
1:09:46
Speaker 1: After that was daylight pictures. You're thinking, now is my
1:09:49
Speaker 1: day to strike, But you don't have the good cold front.
1:09:54
Speaker 1: It's warm, it's hot. Would you still go in after
1:09:57
Speaker 1: him because of the daylight pictures the day or two before?
1:10:01
Speaker 1: Or would you say the weather is too warm, it's
1:10:04
Speaker 1: eighty and bomb and humid. I gotta wait until the
1:10:06
Speaker 1: weather lines up. Two. Yeah, I would. I would try
1:10:11
Speaker 1: it for sure. Um, if I think that I have
1:10:13
Speaker 1: an opportunity at him, I would. I would definitely. Um,
1:10:16
Speaker 1: if he's showing up in daylight and and the wind
1:10:19
Speaker 1: is right, I would definitely give it a shot. A
1:10:21
Speaker 1: lot of times what we've done as well as we'll
1:10:24
Speaker 1: go back and correlate the data on the weather patterns,
1:10:26
Speaker 1: like for instance, say, um, oh, say the wind was
1:10:31
Speaker 1: out of the northeast, and a northeast wind would work
1:10:34
Speaker 1: in that in that um that plot that I'm talking about,
1:10:37
Speaker 1: and so within this northeast wind, it was just like
1:10:40
Speaker 1: a really light, cool front and the weather didn't change
1:10:42
Speaker 1: a whole lot. But you've got the right wind and
1:10:45
Speaker 1: he's showing up. UM, So on those winds, we'll go
1:10:47
Speaker 1: back and look at the wind as to when he
1:10:49
Speaker 1: was showing up in daylight on those UM on that
1:10:52
Speaker 1: that food plot, and try to correlate that with when
1:10:55
Speaker 1: we go back in and try and hunt him. So,
1:10:58
Speaker 1: if it's a marginal wind and you've got the weather
1:11:01
Speaker 1: data backing up when he's showing up in daylight, I
1:11:03
Speaker 1: was just definitely trying it. But UM, you know, if
1:11:06
Speaker 1: you're showing up on a south wind and UM the
1:11:11
Speaker 1: days prior to um and it was, you know, you've
1:11:16
Speaker 1: got you've got a change in the wind and a
1:11:18
Speaker 1: little bit change in the weather. I'd still probably try it.
1:11:21
Speaker 1: But a lot of times we'll go back and try
1:11:22
Speaker 1: to correlate when when you're showing up and make that
1:11:26
Speaker 1: move based off the history of of what's been going
1:11:28
Speaker 1: on in there. That's that's fun when you can mind
1:11:32
Speaker 1: that data and find the little clue that tells ill
1:11:35
Speaker 1: this this is when he does that thing. I love that.
1:11:38
Speaker 1: That's exactly right it is. Um. So what if I
1:11:41
Speaker 1: took you off of your properties, you know, well, and
1:11:43
Speaker 1: I was going to drop you in another place in Missouri.
1:11:47
Speaker 1: Let's say farm you've never hunted before, and now you
1:11:51
Speaker 1: have you know, let's say five days to try to
1:11:53
Speaker 1: kill a buck on the first week of your season
1:11:55
Speaker 1: there in Missouri. Uh, walk me through what you would
1:11:59
Speaker 1: do to try to figure this place out and and
1:12:01
Speaker 1: get a buck killed in five days or whatever on
1:12:04
Speaker 1: a brand new spot. So you don't have that food plot,
1:12:07
Speaker 1: you don't have the cell Kim's giving you weeks worth
1:12:10
Speaker 1: of dead or years worth of data. How do you
1:12:12
Speaker 1: put together this quickly? This game play quickly. Well, it's
1:12:17
Speaker 1: gonna make it tougher, that's for sure. UM. I would say,
1:12:20
Speaker 1: I would try to locate what food sources are on
1:12:23
Speaker 1: the property. UM, the access points where you know where
1:12:28
Speaker 1: you can access the farm. Maybe it's just one one
1:12:31
Speaker 1: certain area, UM, which kind of designates you to a
1:12:34
Speaker 1: certain wind direction. Because uh, you know, I've I've found
1:12:38
Speaker 1: through my years of bow hunting, if you can try
1:12:41
Speaker 1: your hardest to make something work on a farm when
1:12:44
Speaker 1: you only have one access point, but you're gonna have
1:12:46
Speaker 1: to go trudging through the entire farm to get to
1:12:49
Speaker 1: that other side. And it's just it's rarely works. So
1:12:55
Speaker 1: with that being said, I'm going to figure out what
1:12:58
Speaker 1: my access points are, what the right wind is, what
1:13:00
Speaker 1: the food sources that they're using. Um, And then I
1:13:04
Speaker 1: mean basically i'd say what office, Um, what you've just
1:13:08
Speaker 1: told me? You haven't no no trail camera inventory. Um,
1:13:12
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna hope and pray and that that there's
1:13:15
Speaker 1: a maturityer using that farm and and try to kill him.
1:13:19
Speaker 1: But um, you know that that goes back to what
1:13:22
Speaker 1: it used to be like in the nineties. And you know,
1:13:24
Speaker 1: sometimes I missed I missed that just because of the
1:13:27
Speaker 1: sheer fact that you've got in the back of your
1:13:28
Speaker 1: mind you have no idea what what could show up.
1:13:31
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would look for the for the key
1:13:34
Speaker 1: access points on the farm that you can utilize and
1:13:37
Speaker 1: and um, what wind direction is going to work out
1:13:40
Speaker 1: right for you? And from there, figure out what the
1:13:43
Speaker 1: food and the main food sources. Yeah, focus on food.
1:13:46
Speaker 1: So that's something that a lot of folks and you
1:13:50
Speaker 1: know I've seen it too. We know that focusing on
1:13:52
Speaker 1: food works in September. That's what the box life revolves
1:13:56
Speaker 1: around right now. Um, So that's something that hopefully a
1:13:59
Speaker 1: lot of people are right, But what do you think
1:14:01
Speaker 1: when you look back, either in your own hunts or
1:14:04
Speaker 1: on seeing what other people have done, what do you
1:14:06
Speaker 1: think the biggest mistake or two is that people make
1:14:09
Speaker 1: during this month is I would have to say probably
1:14:19
Speaker 1: over pressuring an area. I think that it it can
1:14:22
Speaker 1: definitely be done. You can get away with a whole
1:14:24
Speaker 1: lot more early season than you can, um wait season,
1:14:29
Speaker 1: But that doesn't necessarily mean you should hunt every single night,
1:14:32
Speaker 1: especially if the wind is wrong. And I've seen it
1:14:36
Speaker 1: time and time again where people think that they can
1:14:39
Speaker 1: get away with it and try to hunt with the
1:14:41
Speaker 1: wrong wind. And you know, when I was younger, I
1:14:44
Speaker 1: used to do that all the time, and it's not
1:14:48
Speaker 1: gonna work in my opinion. So I would just say
1:14:51
Speaker 1: make sure that you're you're gathering the most intel that
1:14:54
Speaker 1: you possibly can and make your choices wisely. And I
1:14:57
Speaker 1: know that everybody's schedule is different UM and wooting my
1:15:00
Speaker 1: own UM and sometimes it just doesn't pan out. But
1:15:04
Speaker 1: I would say hunt smart rather than than hunt hard.
1:15:07
Speaker 1: That's I feel like the only time that you really
1:15:09
Speaker 1: should be hunting and truly hunting hard is during the rut.
1:15:13
Speaker 1: In my opinion. Yeah, So when it comes to picking
1:15:17
Speaker 1: your times to hunt, here's one that there's a popular
1:15:20
Speaker 1: opinion on it, and then there's a contrarian. How about
1:15:24
Speaker 1: mornings in September. Would you ever do it? I've heard,
1:15:29
Speaker 1: I've I've done it. Um. I personally don't usually do
1:15:33
Speaker 1: it very often at all, um, very rarely. But I've
1:15:38
Speaker 1: also seen people be successful doing it, So I'm not
1:15:40
Speaker 1: saying that you shouldn't do it. I personally don't don't
1:15:43
Speaker 1: do it um hardly ever, unless I'm hunting for dough
1:15:46
Speaker 1: or something like that. It's just it just seems tough
1:15:49
Speaker 1: sometimes to catch them going back to bed and you you,
1:15:54
Speaker 1: I certainly would never try to hunt a food plot
1:15:56
Speaker 1: in the morning in September. I don't even know how
1:15:59
Speaker 1: you get away with that, And unless you had some
1:16:02
Speaker 1: sort of food plot close to bedding and you for
1:16:04
Speaker 1: sure knew that these deer were all coming back from
1:16:06
Speaker 1: the egg and they were going to filter through there
1:16:09
Speaker 1: in in daylight. But I just I personally have yet
1:16:13
Speaker 1: to really see that ideal set up, at least in
1:16:15
Speaker 1: the Midwest. And it might work in western states for sure,
1:16:18
Speaker 1: you know, like Wyoming. I've hunted in September in the
1:16:21
Speaker 1: mornings there have been very successful. But that's that seems
1:16:24
Speaker 1: to be a whole different realm of um of hunting
1:16:26
Speaker 1: out there. What what do you do in a place
1:16:29
Speaker 1: like that though, to pull off a morning hunt. Is
1:16:31
Speaker 1: it just because they travel a long ways and you
1:16:33
Speaker 1: can catch them on their feet later or what do
1:16:35
Speaker 1: you need to do to make that kind of situation
1:16:37
Speaker 1: pan out? Yeah, they do travel a lot further there,
1:16:41
Speaker 1: it seems like. And another thing that I that I'm
1:16:45
Speaker 1: not sure if many people are aware of or not,
1:16:47
Speaker 1: but a lot of those deer um on those ranches
1:16:51
Speaker 1: in Wyoming are very conditioned to cattle ranchers on their
1:16:55
Speaker 1: their u tv s and whatnot. So you could you
1:16:57
Speaker 1: can drive in there on YOUTUV. I mean I would
1:16:59
Speaker 1: actually prefer it driving in on the UTV where they're
1:17:02
Speaker 1: conditioned to hearing that, seeing that, and having someone drop
1:17:06
Speaker 1: you off at your tree stand whereas or rather than
1:17:08
Speaker 1: walking in and spooking the deer out then they don't
1:17:11
Speaker 1: come back if you if they see you on foot
1:17:13
Speaker 1: or here you come in or whatever. Smell Yeah, um,
1:17:16
Speaker 1: so in those instances it did work. You know. We
1:17:19
Speaker 1: I've literally been on hunts and Wyoming where we've been
1:17:22
Speaker 1: dropped off in u TV, like the deer have ran off,
1:17:25
Speaker 1: just trotted off into the woods and you get set
1:17:28
Speaker 1: up and then whoever dropped you off leaves and they
1:17:31
Speaker 1: come right back inn because they're conditioned to those those vehicles,
1:17:34
Speaker 1: and they don't see that as a sense of danger. Yeah.
1:17:38
Speaker 1: Kind of counterintuitive when we're always worried about hunting pressure,
1:17:41
Speaker 1: but it is true that they get used to some things. Yeah.
1:17:46
Speaker 1: So last question, quick question here, which is worse in
1:17:51
Speaker 1: the September bow hunting world, mosquitoes or the hot temperatures?
1:17:56
Speaker 1: And then whichever, when you pick, how do you best
1:17:59
Speaker 1: deal with it? Uh? I usually the only place that
1:18:05
Speaker 1: I've ever really battled mosquitos because in North Dakota, and
1:18:09
Speaker 1: it was a sar my cell that actually seemed to
1:18:12
Speaker 1: work really, really well. So I wouldn't say that was
1:18:15
Speaker 1: the worst part. I would say that early season heat
1:18:19
Speaker 1: can sometimes be the worst and the only way to
1:18:22
Speaker 1: battle it is a dress light. I mean, I don't
1:18:25
Speaker 1: I don't have too many tricks up my sleep for that.
1:18:27
Speaker 1: I'm I'm used to being hot here in Missouri right now,
1:18:29
Speaker 1: it's in the nineties and we're working outside a lot,
1:18:33
Speaker 1: and uh, it's humid, and we just adapt to it
1:18:37
Speaker 1: and you get used to the heat. And so I
1:18:41
Speaker 1: would say it's definitely worse than Mosquitos, but I just
1:18:45
Speaker 1: battle through it. I I would say that late December
1:18:49
Speaker 1: early January cold is much harsher than than the dealing
1:18:52
Speaker 1: with the heat. I would much rather have heat. You
1:18:55
Speaker 1: had to deal with heat and cold. Granted, you know,
1:18:58
Speaker 1: we want the cold late season because the deer really
1:19:01
Speaker 1: get on that seat. But yeah, I don't have just
1:19:05
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I don't have some hidden
1:19:07
Speaker 1: trick to deal with the heat of the Mr. Dress
1:19:09
Speaker 1: Light suck it up. Yeah, yeah, I'm right. I'm right
1:19:14
Speaker 1: there with you. Well appreciate this, Shawn, good stuff and
1:19:18
Speaker 1: good luck in Missouri and everywhere else you're hitting. Yeah,
1:19:21
Speaker 1: thanks you too. Man, came the round things out. We're
1:19:25
Speaker 1: gonna finish it up with Brennan nating from the breaking
1:19:27
Speaker 1: point TV. Alright, So, Brennan, when you think of September
1:19:34
Speaker 1: bow hunting, what's the first thing that comes to mind
1:19:37
Speaker 1: for you? Weather, no doubt, hands down. Weather. Just keeping
1:19:44
Speaker 1: an eye on, you know, trends, obviously, watching for those
1:19:48
Speaker 1: significant drops in temperature, UM might not be fifteen or
1:19:52
Speaker 1: twenty degree dropped, but anywhere where you're getting something more
1:19:56
Speaker 1: than seven eight degree dropping temperature, I'm really paying attention
1:20:00
Speaker 1: to that. Obviously, I'm I'm watching the barometric pressure as well.
1:20:05
Speaker 1: But those big changes in weather, um stormfronts coming in
1:20:09
Speaker 1: get nasty weather that kind of get deer to hold
1:20:12
Speaker 1: up for you know, more than twelve to sixteen hours.
1:20:15
Speaker 1: If you can get on the front end of those
1:20:17
Speaker 1: or the back end of those, those are usually when
1:20:19
Speaker 1: I've had my best early season success. And I am
1:20:23
Speaker 1: constantly watching the weather. And I mean that goes for
1:20:25
Speaker 1: the whole season, but it's really important, you know, that
1:20:28
Speaker 1: first month of the season. How do you think that
1:20:31
Speaker 1: the cold front impact or the weather impact in September
1:20:35
Speaker 1: compares to the impact it has under and let's say
1:20:38
Speaker 1: the other three months October, November, December, when when most
1:20:41
Speaker 1: people are hunting. Do you think September has the biggest
1:20:44
Speaker 1: weather influence or what do you think? Um, I think
1:20:48
Speaker 1: it's equally as effective all year, all season long, but
1:20:53
Speaker 1: that early season, a lot of these deer are still
1:20:55
Speaker 1: on their summer patterns um bed to feed, feed to bed,
1:20:59
Speaker 1: and uh, it's just when they get laid up and
1:21:03
Speaker 1: stressed out from a weather front or a storm. Um.
1:21:07
Speaker 1: That's when we have had our best luck early season
1:21:10
Speaker 1: is you know, on the front end and the back
1:21:12
Speaker 1: end of these huge weather fronts early on in the season,
1:21:15
Speaker 1: when it's pretty much disrupting their summer feeding pattern that
1:21:19
Speaker 1: they've been you know, used to for the last month,
1:21:21
Speaker 1: month and a half two months. Yeah. So so while
1:21:24
Speaker 1: the weather influence maybe isn't changing dear behavior more than
1:21:29
Speaker 1: it does in October November. Right, cold fronts are great
1:21:31
Speaker 1: no matter what, but the predictability of what they're doing
1:21:34
Speaker 1: in September is so much so that you can take
1:21:38
Speaker 1: advantage of the front maybe easier than other times. Yeah,
1:21:42
Speaker 1: for sure, I can agree with that. It's uh, I
1:21:44
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess one way to look at it
1:21:46
Speaker 1: is like in September, they're they're still about putting weight
1:21:50
Speaker 1: on for the route. They're not necessarily worried about breeding
1:21:53
Speaker 1: me yet. Um. And I think later on in October
1:21:57
Speaker 1: and into November, those cold fronts equally as good as
1:22:00
Speaker 1: mostly because it gets the does moving. But those bucks
1:22:03
Speaker 1: are gonna be moving irregardless that time of year. So
1:22:07
Speaker 1: it's like early season, you're really taking advantage of their
1:22:10
Speaker 1: their summer patterns and when their summer patterns get disrupted
1:22:14
Speaker 1: by a weather front. Um catching them at that time
1:22:17
Speaker 1: of the year is is in my opinion, easier because
1:22:19
Speaker 1: they're more predictable because they're still on that bed to feed.
1:22:22
Speaker 1: They're not thinking about does just yet. So what are
1:22:25
Speaker 1: your favorite places to catch them? Then? UM, it kind
1:22:30
Speaker 1: of depends. We spend a lot of early season hunting
1:22:32
Speaker 1: in uh in North Dakota. UM, North Dakota obviously, and
1:22:36
Speaker 1: in a lot of parts of the state. You can
1:22:38
Speaker 1: feed them there, and we kind of place uh where
1:22:41
Speaker 1: we're feeding them, we're kind of setting up, you know,
1:22:43
Speaker 1: and a lot of times we're hunting near cattail marshes
1:22:47
Speaker 1: and we're still trying to find those uh you know,
1:22:49
Speaker 1: those big food sources, whether it's soybeans or corn or
1:22:53
Speaker 1: sunflowers or alfalfa, and we're just trying to pretty much
1:22:58
Speaker 1: interrupt or get in the between, you know, those marshes
1:23:02
Speaker 1: where they're betting and they chuge food sources and we
1:23:04
Speaker 1: kind of put a little appetizer a on the way
1:23:06
Speaker 1: and hopefully they'll make a pitch stuff nice. Do you
1:23:10
Speaker 1: find that any kind of I guess when what I'm
1:23:14
Speaker 1: curious about picking your spots when you've got you know,
1:23:17
Speaker 1: maybe a number of different options. Maybe there's a soybean
1:23:20
Speaker 1: field somewhere, maybe there's a now fulfil feeds field somewhere.
1:23:23
Speaker 1: Do you find that there's any factor that will influence
1:23:26
Speaker 1: what they hit? Like a cold front hits and they're
1:23:28
Speaker 1: really drawn to x well and it's hot and muggy
1:23:31
Speaker 1: and just a normal September evening, they generally tend to
1:23:35
Speaker 1: go to, you know, option A or B. Is there
1:23:38
Speaker 1: anything like that or is it more just wind and
1:23:41
Speaker 1: betting related. It's a lot of it out there is
1:23:45
Speaker 1: access um in North Dakota. It's if anyone's ever been
1:23:48
Speaker 1: outut there, it's it's not at least the area that
1:23:50
Speaker 1: we hunt. There's not a lot of like thick cover there.
1:23:55
Speaker 1: These deer are pretty much living in cattail marshes, like
1:23:59
Speaker 1: timber and you know a lot of other things that
1:24:01
Speaker 1: most people in the Midwest are YouTube just is non
1:24:04
Speaker 1: existent out there, aside from you know, you might find
1:24:07
Speaker 1: a two three five acre wood lot here and there,
1:24:09
Speaker 1: but those deer are living in cattle marshes. So a
1:24:12
Speaker 1: lot of the spots we're setting up, we're paying attention
1:24:14
Speaker 1: to our access. How can we get into these spots
1:24:17
Speaker 1: and get out of these spots without boogering deer. Um.
1:24:20
Speaker 1: We try to set up our spots so we have
1:24:23
Speaker 1: options of hunting on you know, all kinds of different winds, Um.
1:24:27
Speaker 1: But our main thing is never blowing our wind towards
1:24:30
Speaker 1: where these deer are assumingly vetted or how you know,
1:24:35
Speaker 1: how our approach. We never want them to catch you know,
1:24:38
Speaker 1: drift of our winds. So it's but I would say
1:24:41
Speaker 1: like in the cold cold snaps, um, it just gets
1:24:45
Speaker 1: them on their feet earlier. I mean the deer out there.
1:24:48
Speaker 1: We see deer every sit it's just a matter of
1:24:50
Speaker 1: if we can get them in bow range for the
1:24:51
Speaker 1: most part. So it's like on those cold fronts, it
1:24:54
Speaker 1: just seems that they're up earlier. It's you know, hour
1:24:57
Speaker 1: and a half before dark versus fifteen minutes before dark.
1:25:01
Speaker 1: And you know on those colder nights, those deer, they
1:25:05
Speaker 1: especially on those evenings when the wind calms down, you know,
1:25:07
Speaker 1: the half hour hour before dark, those deer get on
1:25:10
Speaker 1: their feet and they want to feed. So it's just
1:25:13
Speaker 1: a matter of catching them. A lot of times if
1:25:15
Speaker 1: the temperatures are warm and it doesn't really drop off
1:25:19
Speaker 1: at night, that's when you're seeing those deer kind of
1:25:21
Speaker 1: pop up those last ten minutes and then more or
1:25:24
Speaker 1: less just stand there and wait for it to get
1:25:26
Speaker 1: dark before they want to go anywhere. Yeah, So, how
1:25:31
Speaker 1: do your setups differ on the hot nights versus the
1:25:35
Speaker 1: cold front days? Are you setting back more conservatively and
1:25:38
Speaker 1: observing on the warmer days and then getting to the
1:25:40
Speaker 1: best of the best on the cold front or or what?
1:25:44
Speaker 1: For sure? Yeah? Um, and I know we kind of
1:25:47
Speaker 1: discussed this before we started recording, but uh, yeah, the
1:25:50
Speaker 1: weather ain't right. It's come down to the point where
1:25:53
Speaker 1: we'll sit out a day or two and just kind
1:25:55
Speaker 1: of scout from a distance. Um, these spots that we're
1:25:58
Speaker 1: kind of putting all of our you know, putting all
1:26:01
Speaker 1: of our eggs in the basket on some of these
1:26:03
Speaker 1: bigger deer. It's, uh, you might only get to sit
1:26:05
Speaker 1: them once a week, maybe twice a week, and those
1:26:09
Speaker 1: other nights, Um, it's it's more or less scouting and
1:26:12
Speaker 1: staying out of there. Even though it's it's hard to
1:26:14
Speaker 1: sit out an evening where you want to be hunting.
1:26:17
Speaker 1: It's in the grand scheme of things, you gotta you
1:26:19
Speaker 1: gotta play, you gotta play cards when you got the
1:26:22
Speaker 1: best options or you know, the best weather opportunities, and
1:26:25
Speaker 1: and a lot of sitting around is definitely gonna take place.
1:26:29
Speaker 1: What about mornings, Hunt mornings or sit them out? Sit
1:26:34
Speaker 1: them out? Um. I don't typically hunt mornings anywhere, um
1:26:40
Speaker 1: until probably around the twenty October, just because in my opinion,
1:26:47
Speaker 1: it's not worth it. Not to say you can't go
1:26:49
Speaker 1: kill a big buck in the morning, because people do
1:26:51
Speaker 1: it all the time, but it's a long season and
1:26:55
Speaker 1: I just don't think the reward is is worth the
1:26:59
Speaker 1: risk hunting mornings early season. It brings me to something
1:27:05
Speaker 1: that maybe maybe what you just mentioned is one of
1:27:07
Speaker 1: these things. Both when you hear the biggest or most
1:27:12
Speaker 1: common September white tail mistakes, what comes to mind for you?
1:27:16
Speaker 1: What are these mistakes that either you've made the most
1:27:19
Speaker 1: or that you see other people making the most in
1:27:21
Speaker 1: this early part of the year. I would say it's
1:27:25
Speaker 1: you know, over pressuring spots and hunting them when the
1:27:28
Speaker 1: conditions aren't right. I mean, obviously, you know, over the years,
1:27:33
Speaker 1: people are more and more aware of you gotta pay
1:27:36
Speaker 1: attention to your wind and your access, and I think
1:27:40
Speaker 1: people are starting to realize the importance of weather fronts
1:27:43
Speaker 1: um and I think the biggest mistake a lot of
1:27:46
Speaker 1: people make early season has to come between, you know,
1:27:49
Speaker 1: messing with trail cameras and just sitting spots that aren't
1:27:53
Speaker 1: ready to be sat yet, meaning they're sitting them on
1:27:56
Speaker 1: you know, poor weather days, or they're slipping in and
1:27:59
Speaker 1: checking cameras and they're blowing their wind in their own spots.
1:28:01
Speaker 1: I would have to say those are probably the biggest
1:28:03
Speaker 1: early season mistakes that I see. Okay, so then cameras,
1:28:07
Speaker 1: how do you use cameras September so that they aren't
1:28:10
Speaker 1: a mistake. Um, well, now we've transitioned into cell cams
1:28:15
Speaker 1: for the most part, so a lot of these spots
1:28:17
Speaker 1: we don't even have to check them anymore. But where
1:28:20
Speaker 1: we are still running normal cameras, if we can't get
1:28:23
Speaker 1: cell service or we're just simply don't have enough cell cams,
1:28:27
Speaker 1: we won't even I mean we're checking them. If we
1:28:29
Speaker 1: do check them, we'll check them, you know, midday, typically
1:28:32
Speaker 1: between ten and two, and we'll only check them if
1:28:35
Speaker 1: the winds right. And by that I'm saying if if
1:28:38
Speaker 1: it's a spot where we won't hunt it on a
1:28:41
Speaker 1: self wind, we're not going to check that camera on
1:28:43
Speaker 1: a south wind either. Oh yeah, okay, So let's say
1:28:47
Speaker 1: we pulled you out of North Dakota, your favorite spot
1:28:51
Speaker 1: probably hunt in September, and instead I was going to
1:28:53
Speaker 1: drop you in another kind of Midwest Ish state that
1:28:58
Speaker 1: has a September opener. It be Wisconsin mid September, it
1:29:02
Speaker 1: could be Nebraska early September. Whatever. Let's say drop you
1:29:06
Speaker 1: into a new piece of ground and you've got a
1:29:08
Speaker 1: week to kill buck in September. Walk me through your
1:29:12
Speaker 1: high level game plan, Lee, and this is some person
1:29:14
Speaker 1: you've never been before, So tell me how would you
1:29:16
Speaker 1: figure out quick? How would you get started, and what
1:29:18
Speaker 1: you think would be the key to your successful If
1:29:22
Speaker 1: I got dropped somewhere, I would probably if you're giving
1:29:25
Speaker 1: me seven days, I would probably spend the first four
1:29:29
Speaker 1: days scouting UM, using online mapping UM, kind of trying
1:29:35
Speaker 1: to figure out as much as I can without stepping
1:29:37
Speaker 1: foot in there and alerting the deer. I'm gonna, you know,
1:29:41
Speaker 1: scout online. I'm going to scout from the vehicle. I'm
1:29:45
Speaker 1: gonna drive around in the evenings, in the mornings, try
1:29:47
Speaker 1: and see if I can get eyes on deer, kind
1:29:49
Speaker 1: of see what they're doing, find their preferred food source,
1:29:53
Speaker 1: and try to come up with a game plan how
1:29:55
Speaker 1: I can get between where these deer are going to
1:29:57
Speaker 1: bed and where they're coming out to feed. But I
1:30:00
Speaker 1: think a lot of people will make the mistake of
1:30:02
Speaker 1: just jumping in and they think they got to be
1:30:04
Speaker 1: in the tree day one, and that's not the case
1:30:08
Speaker 1: that I think. It's a lot more you know, it's
1:30:11
Speaker 1: a lot more rewarding to just sit back, and it's
1:30:16
Speaker 1: it's tough to have that patience, but sometimes you just
1:30:18
Speaker 1: gotta sit back and uh scout from a distance, and
1:30:22
Speaker 1: then you know a lot of times that's gonna pay
1:30:24
Speaker 1: off when you finally do jump in the tree, you're
1:30:26
Speaker 1: gonna have a way better opportunity rate in my opinion,
1:30:29
Speaker 1: once you sit back scouting and go in there. Yeah,
1:30:32
Speaker 1: so what what about if you go in you've done
1:30:35
Speaker 1: this scouting, you you observed, you see something that you
1:30:38
Speaker 1: want to you want to make a move on. You
1:30:40
Speaker 1: get in there, get set up. Night number one, you
1:30:43
Speaker 1: see a shooter buck out of range. I'm curious, how
1:30:46
Speaker 1: fast do you pivot in that kind of situation, will
1:30:49
Speaker 1: you move to hunt that buck where he was the
1:30:52
Speaker 1: next day or do you need to see things a
1:30:54
Speaker 1: couple of times? Like how quickly do you move in
1:30:56
Speaker 1: September on that kind of hunt. If he's been through
1:31:00
Speaker 1: an area out of range and he's doing it like
1:31:05
Speaker 1: with no care in the world, you can tell he's
1:31:07
Speaker 1: done it before he was you know, he has no
1:31:09
Speaker 1: idea that you're in that area. I'm making a move
1:31:12
Speaker 1: the very next sit nice. Okay, last question, what is
1:31:18
Speaker 1: the worst thing about hunting white tails in September? Those
1:31:25
Speaker 1: those uh three or four days stretches where the weather
1:31:27
Speaker 1: sucks it you're pretty much your best stop waiting for
1:31:31
Speaker 1: the next weather front. And the worst part about September
1:31:35
Speaker 1: is the in between, the in between good weather, um
1:31:38
Speaker 1: for sure, because you're, like you said, you're sitting around
1:31:41
Speaker 1: Twitter on your thumbs for the most part. So then
1:31:43
Speaker 1: the follow up question is if that's the worst thing, Like,
1:31:46
Speaker 1: what's the best way to deal with that thing. Is
1:31:49
Speaker 1: it just making the most of that time in the
1:31:51
Speaker 1: scouting that you do or what? For sure? I think yeah, um,
1:31:55
Speaker 1: scouting new areas, like if you've got kind of something
1:31:58
Speaker 1: pinned down in an area and you know, know what's
1:32:00
Speaker 1: the matter of waiting for the next good weather front. UM.
1:32:04
Speaker 1: I use those days in that time to check out
1:32:06
Speaker 1: new areas that I've never been to before, um and
1:32:10
Speaker 1: and really try to find another option for if if
1:32:14
Speaker 1: Plan eight fails. I like it all right, Brennan. That
1:32:19
Speaker 1: is everything I got for you. I appreciate good luck
1:32:22
Speaker 1: in North Dakota's here. I appreciate it, man, all right.
1:32:27
Speaker 1: And that is a rap. Thank you for tuning in.
1:32:30
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this one. I gotta tell you,
1:32:34
Speaker 1: I am pretty amped up myself as of the recording
1:32:37
Speaker 1: of this. I will be leaving tomorrow for my first
1:32:41
Speaker 1: hunt of the year, and you'll be hearing this, uh
1:32:45
Speaker 1: when I'm almost done with that hunt. So it's here.
1:32:51
Speaker 1: Everything we've been working on this winter, this spring, this summer,
1:32:55
Speaker 1: it all leads up to this. And I guess I'll
1:32:57
Speaker 1: leave you with just a couple of final thoughts in
1:32:59
Speaker 1: this The stuff that I I bring up a lot,
1:33:03
Speaker 1: and it's not directly related to deer hunting in the
1:33:05
Speaker 1: kind of way that you know, hunting green food sources
1:33:09
Speaker 1: is or understanding how deer operate with the wind. But
1:33:12
Speaker 1: this stuff kind of applies above and beyond all that,
1:33:14
Speaker 1: which is kind of the the head game of it all.
1:33:17
Speaker 1: If you haven't listened, go back and listen to the
1:33:20
Speaker 1: episode I shared last September. I think it was ten
1:33:24
Speaker 1: Steps to the Best Hunting Season of your Life something
1:33:27
Speaker 1: like that, and it was all about this mental side
1:33:32
Speaker 1: of it, how you deal with challenges, because you know what,
1:33:35
Speaker 1: when the season starts and the season gets going, we
1:33:38
Speaker 1: are going to face adversity. Stuff is gonna go wrong,
1:33:40
Speaker 1: Our plans are gonna get crushed by who knows what.
1:33:44
Speaker 1: So we gotta to be prepared to stay positive and
1:33:47
Speaker 1: push through it and look for what the next best
1:33:49
Speaker 1: option is keep on going. Uh And finally, we gotta
1:33:52
Speaker 1: have fun. You gotta remember that this is supposed to
1:33:56
Speaker 1: be a good time. And I've talked about it many
1:34:00
Speaker 1: times over the years, so you know what, if you've
1:34:01
Speaker 1: been listening. But I definitely am very goal oriented. I
1:34:05
Speaker 1: can get very wrapped up in the quote unquote mission
1:34:08
Speaker 1: of this thing, right. I really want to achieve this goal,
1:34:10
Speaker 1: and when things don't go my way sometimes that can
1:34:13
Speaker 1: bump me out and take the fun out. And I've
1:34:15
Speaker 1: been working really hard to try to fight that and
1:34:17
Speaker 1: get better at that. And I know there's some of
1:34:19
Speaker 1: you like that too, who are so die hard about
1:34:21
Speaker 1: trying to fill that tag that sometimes you get wrapped
1:34:24
Speaker 1: up in it loose sight of the fund. So let's
1:34:26
Speaker 1: try to do that a little less this year. When
1:34:29
Speaker 1: you find yourself bumming or grumbling into your head, you know,
1:34:33
Speaker 1: just saying, ah, this sucks, isn't gonna work, this is
1:34:35
Speaker 1: a waste of night. Blah blah blah, just just stop.
1:34:37
Speaker 1: WHOA like say whoa, Let's shake it off. This isn't
1:34:41
Speaker 1: why I'm out here. I'm gonna enjoy it. Even though
1:34:44
Speaker 1: that guy walked through here and scared every deer. Well,
1:34:46
Speaker 1: then I'm just gonna enjoy it for what it is,
1:34:47
Speaker 1: or I'm going to find a way to pivot, make
1:34:49
Speaker 1: an adjustment, and make the best of it, because life's
1:34:52
Speaker 1: too short not to enjoy every single one of her hunts.
1:34:55
Speaker 1: This is this is it, so well, let's enjoy it.
1:34:59
Speaker 1: And with that, wishing you all the best of luck
1:35:01
Speaker 1: for those of you