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Gophers Get Cassell Rocked · Boundary Corner Podcast

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We are, we are done with recapping the Hokies.
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Now, whenever to recap in the Hokies, We're done recapping the
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Hokies this season. This see, we're done recapping
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games. We constantly recap the Hokies
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and all elements of it, but one of those things, me and Brian
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were saying, I'm going to be traveling for work next week.
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Do you want to punch it this week?
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Like yeah. Lets punch it.
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It's also one of those things to a told, Brian.
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It's really weird because I'm used to putting something
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together this week, right? Yep.
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You were used to putting something together this Because
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there's usually a game in like, okay, let's do it, we can figure
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out something, there's a ton of news coming out, we got a bunch
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of games to pick at the end, to have some fun and then obviously
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with, you know, the portal opening up and we're going to
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talk a little bit about that and some other things, but we're
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going to lead it off tonight with the hardwood and not the
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Gridiron. And we're going to talk about
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the Hokies Hoops a little bit. And, you know, No me and Brian
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we're talking here we are. The Hokies tip their first game.
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21 days ago they have played 8 games since I have and we're
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being honest here, I have been able to watch really two games
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beginning to end. Or yeah, I three games.
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I'm going to send a Minnesota last night.
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Three games, beginning to end in about two sparingly, where it's
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in and out in and out the others have been following on Gamecast
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in my phone. What about you Ron?
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Yeah, I put away for start to finish probably pieces of to
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others and the other two I was just kind of following along
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when I was when we I was I was traveling during the During the
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the Charleston classic. So, missed one of those and then
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got to see more than I thought. I would though because of the
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way, everything worked out with when we were kind of not doing
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stuff during that time but still miss one of those and then you
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know, missed another one there. But I've been following about as
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close as I can so far. So try, try it as close as we
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can with you know, jobs families.
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He's, you know, trying to watch, pay attention to football and
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all that stuff. It is, it's, I mean, attempted
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to file a basketball. Season is in absolute grind
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grind because there's so many games there throughout the week.
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Like, last night, I thought we were the 9:00 and I look at
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this, like, oh crap the 7:00 actually, maybe I'll watch some
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of this without falling asleep. There you go.
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And I did. But before we talk about last
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night's game, let's talk about the close call versus Charleston
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Southern Brian, because that was a game.
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I got to watch fairly off and on, in and out.
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And it was just one of those where, you know, it was the it
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was, it was Black Friday. I don't know if necessary, the
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team looking through the obviously, you're going to have
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a lesser crowd there, but I mean, they got taken to the
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Limit by Charleston Southern Last Friday Night.
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Yeah, you know, wasn't a great shooting night especially from
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three. No no so you know you actually
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got field goal, wise Charleston. Southern was a hair better than
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you. Three point wise, they're almost
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ten points. Ten percentage points better
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than you were. You know, free throws is kind of
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where we won the game. If we're being honest, it is it
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is I mean, it's not even a joke, we Want to because, you know,
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rebounding even I mean, somebody made a point.
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I can't remember who it was. If you remember who it was, you
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know, shout them out. Making the point of why do you
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guys have career nights? You know, there was there were
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two guys that made an abundant amount of 34.
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Charleston Southern they won like couldn't miss in.
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One was like over 40 percent. You got guys like career average
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or like 7:00 at night. Go off on us all the time.
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They basically double of what they are scoring.
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But you know the team hung in there they pull it out at the
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end with the 69-64 victory but then last night, the team woke
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up a little bit. I think obviously ACC Big Ten
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challenge which we'll discuss in a few minutes as this is the
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last year of it. Again, it's a big ten opponent.
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The students are back that section was absolutely rocking
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last night. Yeah, it looks like a Norman
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Castle. Yeah.
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Look like castle look like, yeah.
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So, you know, Hokies take a 67 57 when they win by 10.
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They own. It wasn't really that close.
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It wasn't that close, it wasn't that close and you know I'm
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sitting here watching it and I have to go do a couple things
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and I may be away five minutes and at that point it was a like
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six point game and I come back in the run.
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It started. And that run just propelled this
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game at the end of the first half to making it a crew for
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those keys. Yep.
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Yeah and I mean, really looking at the second half to I mean
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other than probably the last what?
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Two or three minutes of the game absolute control in the second
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half as well? Oh no reason.
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I mean there were times in that second half sitting here
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watching it. No keys are up 20 points.
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It doesn't even look like it doesn't even look like they're
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struggling. They're the balls moving.
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You know they destroy Minnesota on the boards last night a plus
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15 don't go to the line that often which kind of surprised me
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usually see a lot more fouls in these games but just overall it
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was a good team win and you know Justin what does what he does,
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right? 16 points, you know, nine total
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rebounds, he stole the ball, he blocked some, he got some assist
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out of paint. Yeah, I'll be here a guy.
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That's now every game you can expect a door close to a
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double-double on her somewhere somewhere between 16 and 20
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points. I mean he's become that type of
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player, definitely elevated production at the offensive end
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this year. He's not just you know, No.
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A big that has some some ability that can also pass.
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Well, he's got a lot more scoring to his game this year.
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That's really, really helped up in the post there.
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And we've seen, you know, Sean Padula take the, the big step
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that we were anticipating this offseason.
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So that's been a big bowl stir for the theme as well.
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We just need to get him some help handling the basketball.
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We do, we do. I mean Sean Padula, some and
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it's been mentioned by numerous people, he has taken the step
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this you know, 17 Last night. And in that first half in the
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early part of the second half, like he was, there were times he
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was just dominate their times. He was just dominating with the
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ball in his hands and it's great to see.
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But to your point and maybe that's why the lead slip back to
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10. Is there times where he had to
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go off the floor? He kind of ran out of gas in you
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know, right now if you know he goes off the floor, it's kind of
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a kind of a mishmash of who's going to handle the ball and
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bring it up the court and no one is gonna Good enough like he is
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so you know, the big key right now and we keep hearing the name
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and how big of a recruiter was is when does Rodney rice come
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back? Because the quicker Rodney rice
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gets back, it is going to alleviate you know some of that
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pressure from certain guys. You know who aren't you know,
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natural ball handlers and it goes to Rodney and it's Rodney
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Sean and then the other guy sparingly when needed.
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Yeah. And now we had talked about
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originally that we were hoping to get him back for the classic
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that didn't happen. Now, it sounds like more, like,
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kind of right at the end of into the semester is potential.
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So we'll see if that is still a moving Target or if that's more
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of kind of a hopeful hopeful spot for him.
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It'd be nice to get him in there and get some some action in
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there before we get into the heart of a CC play, you know,
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we're going to get the one early against North Carolina, but you
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know, if we can get him back by the get him acclimated into the
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game by the time we get into the meat of the ACC schedule.
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I think that's probably the most desirable outcome.
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Absolutely. And it's going to be key
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because, you know, last night, the team had 14, turnovers their
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teams in the ACC. You do that again, it's not
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going to be a double digit wins. Can be a double-digit loss and
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obviously we don't want that. Happen.
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I'll tell you something else last night that you know sort of
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was a little bit impressive to me him drawing charges is always
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been impressive. I want to know if there is a
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stat out there for that because he drew, I think what three more
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last night but just in general, you know, the way he draws
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charges, how he plays position defense it's getting better and
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better and even when he's not on fire from outside or he's not
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you know giving you 10 to 12 points, what Hunters doing On
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the defensive end is great. Yakitori is definitely taking a
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big step with his defense. This year continues to impress
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on that end of the floor, not quite taking as many shots as we
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saw at points last year, but we've also seen that, you know,
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he's not a guy that Takes a lot of shots consistently usually he
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when he's hot, he's going to take the shot if it's not quite
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Fallen, he's not going to force anything.
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He's not just he's not that volume tape sheet.
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Everybody is a very streaky shooter when he when he gets
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hot. He's very hot.
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Absolutely another guy last night that definitely chipped in
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with you know getting people rest being physical giving up
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fouls and last night as well scoring was petite.
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You know they had those four personal fouls but he's a big
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bodied guy. That's okay.
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That's what he needs to be there for.
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But 11 minutes and eight points. I mean, you tell me he gets us
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five every night and comes in and helps play good defense and
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be a physical presence. It's I mean, I think that's
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going to go a long way, as the season goes for the rotation for
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the rotation of this team. Especially once rice gets back.
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Absolutely. And we saw, you know what, Lynn
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kid was out there for 16 minutes.
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We saw columns out there for 21, so we saw, we saw some of the
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bench last night and they, they showed a little bit of little
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bit of action there. Again, it you said especially
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Poteet there, but I was impressed by what kid was able
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to bring to the table as well. Yeah.
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And and it's all about, in this case, once you get rice back,
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it's it's never be, I don't think with Mike young, you're
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never going to see a guy. Do a Collins, did consistently
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Off the Bench and get 20 plus minutes.
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I just don't think you see that but it's if they know their role
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which I think petite knows his role.
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I think kids hopefully learns his role.
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It's once you learn your role with Mike.
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Young. That's how you get inserted
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because I think the way my quirks and you take a look, the
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starters, the lowest was months with 24, the highest was Padula
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with 35 to do with 35. Makes a lot of sense, but you
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might young is not a. I'm going to sub three guys at
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once. It's normally I'm going to sub
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1. Yeah, I'm gonna solve another
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one, and another one and it's going to be that rotation when
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he's never going to take his Coral floor and it seems like
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that's the case this year. So we'll see how Goes yeah.
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Usually usually two guys at a time is about the most you're
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going to see ya. But Brian, there is a concerning
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stat for Virginia Tech and how we play basketball, and that's
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three point percentage last night, 36%, We haven't shot over
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40% since ODU that with Penn State, both Charleston game,
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that's four games we've played eight.
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So half the games, you know, we have not shown over 40% in to be
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honest. You give me your opinion.
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I don't want to see last year again, but unless that gets up,
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and I'm going to pull the stats while you talk about it.
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Unless that gets up to hovering closer to 40% consistently,
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every We game there's going to be some long nights in ACC play.
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Yeah I'd say The only positive I would take away from this is
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that this team is already shown the ability to win games even
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when they're cold from three which is encouraging as we get
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to ACC play. But we know that you know, the
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competition's going to ratchet up as as we get into the
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conference play, we're not going to be able to have those
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back-to-back-to-back games where we're not. not not getting over
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forty percent from three because I mean that we're a team that
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wouldn't say we live and die by the three but our our offense
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certainly cannot reach this Pinnacle unless we're hitting
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the three point shot and just showing a difference.
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And this is last year, full year versus this year just through a
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games last year. Hokies 39 three from three point
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range this year. 35 7. The in four percent of the
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volume. You know, when you're taking 20
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shots of night, that's a few extra fallen and in tight games
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that is the difference between winning and losing.
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I mean, it's definitely the difference between winning the
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Charleston classic and not it's true.
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Then we will say that. And and I tell you it, one of
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the big things is not to knock the guy but it's Maddox man.
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What the the last Maddox we saw is not the Maddox that picked up
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at the beginning of this year already.
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Yeah, the shots not following the way I think we thought it
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would. I thought, you know, I think we
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thought he was going to roll right?
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Right back in and pick up where he left off last season.
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We're not seeing that at the gate, some areas of his game
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having proved, which is helped make this, not as much of a
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problem. True.
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But, you know, at some point we're going to need Shot to
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start falling for us to reach the spot.
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We want to in conference play. Yeah, and so far this year, it's
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at 26 percent. And I know he was a he was a
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kind of a bench guy last year and then kind of got more time
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he shot. 50% from three last year and yet he only averaged
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like six and a half a game, but that number is got to get closer
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to 40. I'll be if you're telling me
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he's a 38 39, I think, I think we can live and we can live with
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that 25. I don't think we can live with,
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and I say that just us as fans taking our hats off slanting,
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pulling our hair out watching games, because You mentioned
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earlier with Couture. It's a little different when
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Darius Maddox. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
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He is a volume shooter when he starts shooting.
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So, you know, we'll see big game obviously is on Saturday with
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Caroline. A human sundae with Carolina
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coming into town at three in you.
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Yeah, three in Castle. It's going to tell a lot about
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this team. Win or lose.
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Yeah. And you know in some ways it's
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probably not as great that we're getting Carolina.
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Coming off of a loss there. Well, hello a loss and then they
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got dropped 17 spots in the. I don't get the front.
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It's actually that's a very big. Yeah.
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I mean if you just said eight or nine spots, I'd have been like
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sure. 17 spots and they lost to a top 20 team in quadruple
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overtime. It's like the it's like this I
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mean they certainly aren't what we went.
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You know the poll said they were we know that we knew we knew
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they were over ranked to start the year.
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Why they should ranked teams until the end of December and
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basketball. There we go.
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But the honest truth is where the AP just just trying to set
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us up. Now, they play Technics, let's
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just go ahead and drop Carolina way down here to put something
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on their minds as they going to Castle.
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I probably mentioned just a couple minutes ago about this is
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the last game of the ACC Big Ten challenge.
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It's 23, years old, you know, obviously out of my mom buddy.
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Malik from work mentioned. Like he's a little bit younger
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than us about 10 years. He's like, I grew up on that.
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I expected that every November. Yep, really good.
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Enter conference. And, you know, and I'd say for
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us, it's Allure. We were a little bit older but
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it was one of those times in, you know, you know, High School
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College Avenue week after Thanksgiving.
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You're expecting to me some good basketball games on mid-week,
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right? Exactly this this time of year.
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I mean, you kind of get those higher profile matchups that
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you're not necessarily used to write.
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So it was always good. Good matchup.
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And I know we're moving into a new era with the, with the SEC
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coming in. That's going to be interesting.
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Who is, who is your, who do you want first?
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Well, it's obvious to me. You gotta let Tech play em with
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Buzz there. And, and the honest truth is,
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just because they have to put it in Castle.
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You can't put it down in Aggieland, you have to put it at
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Castle. Make it matter more.
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Make it matter a lot more. What about you?
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Are you on that train or you know, a little different.
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You know what, I'd like to see us?
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Finally, get over the Florida hump.
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So I'd like to get Florida. Okay, okay.
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That's a good one. That's a good one.
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That's a good one. And, you know, a lot of
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interesting matchups and obviously a lot of people are
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saying well why did this happen? A the Big Ten they're losing.
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The ESP is essentially losing every right to the big tent.
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This wasn't just a football for everybody that says, it's a
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football move, it is mostly about football, but they've lost
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a all the basketball stuff and like that.
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So now why wouldn't they pivot to their two biggest, you know,
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investments in the ACC in the SEC and for the ACC you're from
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doing this challenge, you're probably going to see a revenue
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bump. Obviously you're going to
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probably see See more ACC games in the weekday getting ESPN,
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ESPN2 treatment versus being shuffled around to the network.
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When it's not a big game, so more notoriety and you know for
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us probably as a region a few more matchups.
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You know, we talked about a.m. and Brian mentioned Florida, I
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mean what about Tennessee yeah, I mean, you know, when the when
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Tennessee when that becomes sort of a Yeah, when they decide to
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have those two teams play that a lot of people will come up out
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for that. So in, who knows?
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I think it'll be interesting. And again, you still have just
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thinking higher level ACC, you still have your blue blood, I
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mean, you know, they, you know, Kentucky with Carolina and Duke,
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you know, Florida, Tennessee, obviously, being good, you've
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got enough Firepower. On both sides where it's still
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good, stay intriguing for sure. And I mean, we've seen the SEC,
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take big steps in basketball, probably the last decade to
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where, you know, they were kind of very middling for a while and
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now they're very much in the kind of the top-tier there.
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So, 100% 100%, let's talk real quick.
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Two notes, women's hoop. Now, ranked number 9 in the
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country. Give them a clap continue to
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win. Um including smashing a lot of
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the other night which Longwood was a tournament team last year.
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And I think they expected to compete in the Big South again
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this year. Don't quote me, but I don't
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think they're gonna quite reach the heights.
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They did last year, but they were certainly supposed to be
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competitive in that conference and they got their ass waxed.
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What was the psalmist was like 87, 37, 8, it was an 80 9 20. 88
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or something like that. Oh, I thought they broke 30.
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That hurts. That hurts a lot.
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He's pulling it up here. Yeah.
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Benjamin earlier when we were talking about it and it was
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like, we gotta mention this because eighty nine.
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Twenty-eight. I was right. 89, 2861.
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Did Longwood even break double digits in any quarter.
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Hang on. Let's see how this is just
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purely me entertaining myself and I know they got 11 in the
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third. Oh God, did they get under five
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and a quarter? This oh they did.
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Yeah. They open a opening quarter.
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It was 20 to 40 and we put the slam the door to 6:33 in the
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forest. Under 10's on back sighs.
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I think I'm doing the math here so 7-Eleven in six in the third
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a six-point quarter 66 in the second so you can support for
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611 7. Barely broke doubled it out,
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guys? Well, you know what Kenny is got
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good thing going with the women's Hoops team, obviously
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nationally-recognized up there now and obviously, you know, as
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well as with the ACC sec. Amens challenge is going to be
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coming in a woman's challenges well and obviously that probably
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is much better for the women's product.
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Yeah because the SEC women's basketball overall is better.
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And you know the ACC as well with take the one go with
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Louisville playing well with a couple other really good
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programs state so there's South Carolina in the mix there with
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those boys for that. No kill some confidence you
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playing the the lady Gamecocks down there because they are
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crushing it. They should let UVA play them.
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It's Dawn. Playing with his ball is an
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elite player that you hate 30-plus years ago.
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There we go. Hi.
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So what will close the book on talking about Hoops here at lot
25:35
of fun? Again, Hoops is such a long
25:39
season. You know what, we'll try to hit
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games as we're on here and there obviously, you know, We'll talk
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about some of the games when we're back in a couple weeks and
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you know how the teams looking over all.
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All right, Brian? Let's flip.
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Let's talk about some college football and using notes and the
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college football game of headsets as return, The starting
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off 15 openings. Yeah, it's that's has a 10%.
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That's a big damn number right there that we had to fill in
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here and we're moving pretty quickly to fill it in.
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You know, we're about what a third of the way there.
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We're a third of the way there. And we are only a few days
26:27
after, you know, Black Monday or where a day after Black Monday.
26:31
Excuse me. But one of those roles got
26:33
filled last week Solid didn't mention it just a lot more going
26:37
on but UNC Charlotte who had fired will Healey earlier in the
26:41
year hired, the associate head coach for Michigan Biff.
26:45
Poggi poggi did some research on him, long time, high school
26:50
coach up in. Maryland cannot remember the
26:54
high school's name. What won multiple?
26:57
Multiple state titles? Put a lot of D1 prospects
27:00
including Blake Quorum at Michigan, where he is, Added to
27:04
go and Coach but you know it seems like they Club.
27:11
Lit and UNC Charlotte is being shut down.
27:14
And it sounds like put in their glove lit is kaput kaput dead.
27:20
And they're bringing the guy named Biff in.
27:22
I don't think there's gonna be a lot of clubland.
27:24
I think there might be a lot of a lot of running.
27:32
I think so. I think so, I wonder if they're
27:35
going to throw but head up out there look, you know, I'm
27:39
interested in. Alright, let's start with some
27:41
of the other bigger hires in, let's start with probably the
27:45
biggest program higher and it's Nebraska, and it's Matt rule,
27:52
you know, You do got fired from the Panthers just to you know,
27:56
couple months ago such success at Baylor Sussex s at Temple.
28:01
He hits an eight-year contract down there.
28:05
My buddy again Malik multiple shout out to tell them tomorrow
28:08
at work, listen Malek's like he's got the best agent in the
28:12
world. He's getting like 68 million
28:13
dollars from Tepper and now, he's got an eight-year deal from
28:16
the Prescott. What do you think of the higher
28:20
bronze with ruled on a Nebraska? I think it's A decent fit, you
28:26
know, I think he kind of knows the lay of the land there in
28:31
general still within kind of that recruiting footprint, that
28:34
we, that he was used to before. We'll see if anyone can bring
28:40
Nebraska back from the from the brink here.
28:44
It's kind of Unfortunately mirrored us a little bit and
28:49
kind of been in the doldrums but competitive and then kind of
28:53
fell off the map a little bit. So we'll see if we can kind of
28:58
get back where we need to with this program and see if rules
29:00
the guy to do it. What with rule I think it's
29:03
going to be more interesting to see if he can get back just at
29:05
the Bellini level. Yeah the eight nine wins a year
29:10
occasionally attend because that wasn't good enough for me I
29:12
think Pelini was a even though he was a hothead Polina.
29:16
Football guy, I think Pelini I absolutely got KN too early
29:20
because Nebraska thought they thought it was still the 90s and
29:27
what wasn't and I get mad. I get having goals and I get not
29:31
being content with just being an eight or nine win team.
29:35
But you gotta support the guy that's there and see if you can
29:39
build around him to get there. Instead of just firing a guy and
29:43
thinking you're going to, you know, go hire the the next
29:46
up-and-coming. Owen, gfiveg.
29:47
I think that it's going to happen.
29:50
It's true man, it's true. I think the big thing with rule
29:53
though and the one thing that you kind of read was how he
29:57
tried to create a culture in the NFL like he did in college.
30:00
That doesn't work in the NFL no collagen does though and I think
30:04
in a place like Nebraska it can work now obviously he's made a
30:09
huge move and getting Satterfield from South Carolina
30:11
to come over. And that guy he's familiar with
30:15
it's a guy we've already. Seen obviously he's paid
30:18
dividends for Shane going to be interesting to see who Shane
30:22
fills in with that spot. But you know Nebraska going with
30:27
the eight-year deal says a lot because it's almost like they're
30:32
giving him a two-year freebie and then probably a three year.
30:37
You know, let's see what you got.
30:40
But I mean I'll give the higher an a he was the biggest name out
30:44
there. Right.
30:46
Biggest name out there. Definitely the biggest thing out
30:50
there that didn't already have a job somewhere else.
30:52
The biggest free agent out there, maybe that's what we
30:54
should say. All right, let's flip the this
30:56
one. Next Braun, not a bigger name
31:00
because I'm going to go with the big names and then we're going
31:02
to hit the actual affecting of the Hokies at the end here.
31:07
But Arizona State hires Kenny Dillingham, Kenny Dillingham is
31:12
32 years old. So go ahead and put that out
31:16
there. He was born in 1990. he
31:22
obviously recently had been at Oregon as their offensive
31:25
coordinator for this one year before that two years at Florida
31:30
State under Mike nor fell and then before that he was with he
31:35
was at Auburn under gustn 2019 and then back with Norville in
31:41
2018 at Memphis in 2017, in Memphis young guy, Arizona State
31:47
grad, And I think Arizona State's in a little bit of
31:52
plummet, right now, of what's going on, you know, because of
31:59
the whole home situation and all the stuff that was going on
32:01
there. I feel like they just decided to
32:03
say, hey you know what, we're going to do?
32:05
We're kind of just going to go one somebody who was here less
32:09
than 15 years ago, probably understands the culture and all
32:13
that stuff about what we need to be competitive here at Arizona
32:17
State. Yeah, it's going to be
32:21
interesting to see what they are able to do out there because I
32:25
feel like they've kind of lost their way.
32:27
I feel like that was kind of a somewhat consistent program for
32:32
a while and it's going to be seen if they can kind of get
32:39
back in that mix in the Pac-12 to really be competitive because
32:45
they really kind of fallen off of map a little bit there.
32:48
The last three years in the Pac-12 is getting easier, I
32:52
mean, in the next few years would, you know, when USC and
32:55
UCLA moving its going to become an easier conference to compete
32:59
in and you know, Again, I think this is just a culture higher
33:06
regardless, what the offense looks like in all that.
33:09
I think it's just if it's someone, he went here, he's one
33:13
of us. He understands what we do, you
33:15
understand where we can be and what we can do, and sometimes
33:20
that's all you need. You need a voice and someone
33:23
who's familiar with everything. So, I'll probably, I'll say a
33:26
see on this one. Obviously, it's all come three
33:31
years from now, you know. For the guys who can do those
33:34
shows? I tip my hat to you because
33:37
research because, you know, yeah I'm right there with you, on the
33:42
sea to be continued to see what this how this turns out.
33:46
But all right. Now the next two, I don't think
33:49
we're going to grate a. See, the first one.
33:52
Is it broke Sunday. I know I sent you guys the thing
33:56
about 11:00 Luke fickle, Leaf, Cincinnati and in kind of Of a
34:03
shocker to some people. Specially Wisconsin had looked
34:06
better under Jim Leonard. Luke people to Wisconsin.
34:12
Go Brian. What do you think?
34:14
Yeah, I mean that I'm gonna go a minus here.
34:16
I mean that's that's as big of a higher I think is Wisconsin
34:19
could have pulled other than sticking with with Leonard and,
34:24
you know, it's a guy that's going to come in and immediately
34:26
have I think success. I think he's going to have have
34:31
that locker room how quickly he kind of gets things going in
34:35
terms of being competitive for the actual conference title.
34:39
I think is in question, but I think you'll definitely kind of
34:42
Get them back to that you know, roughly around 10 win level that
34:47
we're kind of used to Wisconsin being at Henry out the gate.
34:51
They're not that far from it either.
34:53
No, I still think Paul Chris pissed, somebody off, I do, I
34:57
feel think he pissed somebody off in that Administration and
35:00
they were just like you get start this season all bad,
35:03
you're going bye-bye, and he did.
35:05
And that's what happened. As far as it goes.
35:08
I'm more interested to see from this.
35:11
If there any players that will leave, especially on the
35:14
offensive line, are there any players that?
35:19
Because if we look in vain with what he's been running at
35:23
Cincinnati for those years, it's not that power base game.
35:27
That's a little bit more spread. It's a little bit little bit
35:30
different of an offense and what they've been doing it Wisconsin.
35:34
And if he's give me a tackle in the center, there you go.
35:38
That's all Brawn. Give it here.
35:41
They haven't played that much. That's all brown wants because
35:43
at least you know, body movement, they know and Joe
35:47
wants. But that's going to be
35:49
interesting to see what he does though.
35:51
If he takes that and goes into Wisconsin and decides, we're
35:54
going to try to run this offense and if it will work because
35:58
basically Wisconsin's ran the same offense for 30 years since
36:01
Alvarez was there. More or less.
36:04
Yeah, in the thing is, you know, fickle zundert, Russell for all
36:09
those years and under John Cooper would they did a lot of
36:12
the similar stuff you know back in the 90s and early 2000s.
36:17
So super interested to see how it goes.
36:20
Again I'm with you. Eh - on this probably couldn't
36:23
have got a better at least culture.
36:25
Fit knows the Big Ten knows recruiting footprint, probably
36:29
going to be able to up that game a little bit there.
36:32
All right, Brian this is the one that probably made me the
36:34
happiest, the squad, the Auburn Tigers War.
36:40
Damn Eagle decided to come down to Lynchburg and get Hugh freeze
36:47
out of their God. There we go.
36:52
What's your grade on this one? A Plus Sigma Plus Hugh freeze
36:59
has proven both at Ole Miss, where he was getting top-notch
37:04
players. Maybe my not the most honest of
37:08
ladies, which doesn't matter as much.
37:12
Now, it does not matter as much now, but but but still you can't
37:17
do the things he was doing to get players that's still a leak.
37:20
Very true, very other. There are other ways above board
37:27
to lure recruits to Our school now there is but I think what
37:31
he's done, he could take some of the best talent in the country.
37:35
Right out of high school, develop them beat Alabama,
37:38
compete in the SEC. I think, what he's done at
37:43
Liberty to is he's shown you, how good his coaching chops are
37:48
taking cast, all taking three stars, taking two stars, and
37:51
really turning them into a team that can be competitive with
37:55
just about anybody in the country.
37:58
And when it comes to a place like Auburn, he's going to
38:02
probably have top 15 top 12 classes.
38:04
He's going to have some really good big-time recruit but I
38:07
think what he's learned at Liberty is I can dip my toe into
38:11
the transfer portal into the transfer market and I can plug
38:15
holes somebody asked me today. You think savings shaking in his
38:20
boots? Like no-shave is not shaking in
38:21
his boots, but Saban knows it's getting a lot tougher now.
38:26
Because he knows Hugh freeze somehow.
38:29
He's got the Kryptonite well the only guys that ever beat saving
38:33
multiple times Yeah I think so I'm not as high on the grade as
38:40
you I'm back in the a - range on this one but I say that with a
38:46
caveat and before I get there, let me go ahead and say this.
38:51
Like stay, like, stay out of the day.
38:53
Fun fact, Auburn's last three hires have been former Arkansas,
38:59
State head coach has, it is now a requirement that if you're
39:05
going to coach at Auburn, you have to have a stop at Arkansas
39:09
State, you have to go through the Arkansas state path there,
39:13
that has to be part of your career path.
39:15
So, but I like this from the standpoint of He's shown a
39:23
propensity to be able to recruit in the SEC players that can beat
39:31
the teams. You have to beat To potentially
39:34
play for, and or win the conference.
39:37
Sure. And he's shown the ability to
39:41
get a lot out of players that Once he gets them in-house,
39:46
right. So he's taking castoffs he's
39:48
taken 3 star guys, and develop them into better players than
39:54
their grade were. He's taken to Star, guys, and
39:56
done the same thing. They're at Liberty.
39:58
So, you know, there are things about this that I like a lot
40:04
obviously, from an Auburn perspective.
40:07
You're getting baggage with this higher so that's why it's not an
40:11
A-Plus in my perspective. And because you get Baggage.
40:16
The hook is going to be there, I think quicker than you'd like to
40:20
like it to be. So this is on freeze to show his
40:25
ability in the first two years to at least get one of those
40:30
Marquee wins. He will or that fan base, is
40:33
going to get antsy because they have a real easy out to get it.
40:37
Get him out there. Are you ready?
40:39
And I'm going to ask you this and you be straight up with me
40:41
because of that. They did Gus.
40:44
If they give him two years and they pulled the plug, or they
40:47
about to become Tennessee, for what we saw for almost 15 years
40:51
after the. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
40:53
Absolutely. They are about to fall into the
40:56
Tennessee trap for sure. If this doesn't work out, they
41:01
will be in the Tennessee trap. And thing is, I think he can
41:05
coach, but I think it might take it could take four years.
41:09
It could take four years or may not because he may come in there
41:12
and say, you're out, you're out, you're out.
41:15
I'm going to recruit well and that's for four years now, but
41:17
I'm going to bring a bunch and I think he has that ability.
41:20
The question is is that if it doesn't happen in two years
41:24
because because of the baggage, because you hired a coach of
41:27
baggage, it's going to be a lot easier to talk yourself into
41:30
getting rid of him. True that.
41:33
So that's, that's the downside of hiring a coach with that much
41:36
baggage. And that's that fan base, in
41:39
general, I'm still underneath, I mean, look at their basketball
41:43
coach. I'll be.
41:44
And that's, you know, we're not comparing the two, but the two
41:51
last one that had broken so far. I don't know if any other before
41:56
I put the last one on here. Yeah, I'm doing this slide.
42:01
I don't really care. I mean, sometimes it's just like
42:06
yeah, screw it. He's confirming.
42:14
What we are just about to talk about and that is that Georgia
42:17
Tech is going to retain print Keys as its head coach.
42:22
Now this wasn't the news as of Sunday as of Sunday the deal.
42:26
Was it look like Willie Fritz from Tulane was going to get
42:31
pulled in? That deal sorted died in to me
42:36
when I saw that. I can't take Georgia Tech
42:39
seriously because you're going, you know, say it.
42:42
I mean come on you know a little bit more about Fritz's offense
42:44
and I do you can kind of see what it is.
42:47
So the comparison that I made was that if you're going to hire
42:52
a 62 year old head coach, you need to find more of a Mack
42:58
Brown type than a guy that runs a niche offense.
43:03
When you're already trying to break the mold of the guy that
43:06
you had previously that ran a niche offense, you know, and we
43:11
can make the arguments that they probably tried to do too much
43:15
too quick with that offense under Collins, 100%.
43:20
Absolutely, but I don't think that you need to kind of go.
43:26
The other direction say that, we're only a school that can run
43:29
a niche offense. Now I don't think we're at that
43:32
point with Georgia Tech. But you know, if you did that,
43:36
if you, if you went the Tulane route, you be even essentially
43:40
saying, we only have a three to Five-Year Plan and that plan is
43:44
to remain an itch offense and not be able to recruit offensive
43:48
talent to this team and let unless you're, unless you can
43:54
just run the show, the football. Exactly.
43:57
Um, I mean, Keith did fine for and for he beat us, Well, I take
44:04
that back. We beat ourselves - just stop.
44:08
He didn't let his team. Implode equip, exactly, exactly.
44:15
Then let it steam quit and and and he was able to keep them
44:19
together for that whole game and was able to make the plays at
44:24
the end that they need to make after we shot ourselves in the
44:27
foot, very true. But he's a, he's a, he's a
44:30
Georgia Tech Alum, he played their back.
44:33
In the believe it was late 1990s early 2000s when they were a
44:38
solid program, you know. He, I read here on familes,
44:44
tweet that he was a team captain there, he coached under saving
44:49
in Alabama. I just for him, I mean, he'll be
44:54
given four five, six years, because I don't I don't just see
44:58
what he's done this yet. I don't think they're ever going
44:59
to be as bad as they were under Collins week.
45:01
I'm still trying to figure out What went on where Jeff Collins
45:05
just fell off a cliff. But at some point you got to
45:10
actually coach, you can just talk.
45:12
Yeah. It's just like a it's a c-plus
45:15
be - higher. It's nothing great.
45:17
It's just steady want to keep the locker room together of a,
45:20
you know, team that went for and for I mean the most impressive
45:23
game to me is what they did Saturday.
45:25
I had that game up and to say that they hung around with
45:30
Georgia, almost three quarters. Like, it was still a competitive
45:35
football game that's impressive because of the talent disparity
45:38
there. And again, I think for them,
45:42
it's like, he's a homegrown guy. Let's give him five or six
45:45
years. Obviously, he's not going to
45:47
suck as bad as Collins does, and we'll move on.
45:51
Well, obviously he knows how to put together a game plan and get
45:54
the players ready to play a lot better than Collins not.
45:58
All right, so Brian of these remain during openings, He's
46:05
list them off, one by one. Which one interests you the most
46:08
of where? Who gets who you still got
46:10
Colorado, open Stanford's open, USF.
46:14
FAU Tulsa, Tulsa UAB Maddie, Western Michigan UNLV, which one
46:24
interests you the most So I've got a 1, a 0, a 1, B.
46:30
And then I've got an honorable man.
46:31
No no no no, yeah. All right. 111 is going to be
46:37
since Daddy just because they are going to be a power 5
46:42
program, okay. And I think I think they have
46:45
the ability from where they're located and the competition,
46:51
they're going to be playing, I think that's gonna going to be a
46:54
big thing for them. All right.
46:56
I'm going to give you this one and it's going to shock you.
47:00
I'm interested to see what happens in Tulsa.
47:07
Because I'm kind of interested to see if they are.
47:10
Certain certainly coach, that could be remain nameless.
47:14
Gets that job. Y'all know?
47:16
I'm told that I am interested to see if they will hire him to
47:19
essentially come where he grew up to coach a football team that
47:24
really had been a solid meal program in the last three or
47:26
four years had really went downhill, under Philip
47:30
Montgomery, you know I'm interested for that one.
47:34
What's your one? Be just because I got a I got to
47:37
do a 1 b 2 but I want to see what happens with Colorado.
47:42
Alright alright I think that's an interesting because they've
47:46
shown that that's a program that's kind of highs lows.
47:51
Sometimes in the like you can never really know what to expect
47:54
with them making this. They can get on a they can get
47:58
on the run with the right combination of recruiting and
48:00
coaching where they can play with any team in that
48:04
conference. And then they can also look like
48:06
absolute dog. It there's just I mean it's all
48:08
over the place. So I feel like who they bring in
48:11
is going to, can they bring some consistency is consistently what
48:14
they want? Or are they found with the boom
48:15
and bust and looking like a team that could, you know, Challenge
48:20
Oregon or USC, one year? And then looking like two years
48:24
later, look like a complete dumpster fire couldn't get out
48:28
of a paper bag. Wet paper bag.
48:30
The one I'm interested in my 1, B is Stanford, all that was
48:35
silent. They do.
48:35
Those are honorable They should call Mike Elko up right off the
48:40
bat. Go ahead and call mykel co-op,
48:42
you know, they're more, maybe trying to get out grow up but
48:44
ACC already get him out of here. We saw it with, you know, you go
48:56
through the years with you. Whether it's Spurrier or
49:00
cutcliffe. If you get to good coach, they
49:03
may not win 10 games every year, but they're gonna be a goddamn
49:06
Thorn in your side. Come definitely.
49:10
All right, one last thing before we head to break here, Brian.
49:13
I'm really cool to see as announced earlier this week,
49:16
DeAngelo, Hall, D Hall, you know dvu zone is going into the
49:22
Virginia Sports Hall of Fame. That's big really great honor
49:28
for him in, you know. The guy who played close to a
49:34
13, 14 years in the league, obviously big time player at
49:39
Tech and now he's getting this onerous photo of him that you
49:43
know you look through I looked through the day, you know
49:45
Frank's in there Bruce Smith's in there.
49:47
Frank Lauria Carol Dale amongst others and probably over the
49:51
next few years probably going to see a lot of Hokies go in there.
49:56
Probably starting with D Hall guys you know essentially porn
50:00
or did things in the Steak. Yeah.
50:04
Yeah guys that you know, especially during the the big
50:07
run there in the 2000s, this is kind of the one, you know, the
50:11
start of that. So you know, we'll see how many
50:13
more kind of following and D Hall steps here with Abby.
50:16
This is the big First Step here, so good.
50:20
Very 4D Hall, very good for him. All right so before we get into
50:25
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Now back to the episode. All right, is it Brian?
50:55
This is a couple more topics to hit on tonight.
50:57
Let's start. First of all was announced late
50:59
this afternoon. This was not on our docket and
51:01
It was announced the all ACC teams which for Virginia Tech of
51:07
the first second, and third teens, there were none.
51:10
Unfortunately, there were six honorable mentions.
51:17
You know, I think, I think me and you kind of agreed probably
51:20
Dax should have at least got on one.
51:24
You could argue 13 for Dax for sure you could argue hardcore,
51:30
but maybe it's just a, snapshot of kind of where this team was
51:34
talent-wise. And for some folks who maybe did
51:37
not believe the talent was, there was a disparity there,
51:43
this usually tells it because you know, Usually you get at
51:48
least a handful on the team, regardless of your team tracker.
51:52
Usually give it like a couple third teamers even when you're
51:56
in the doldrums, right. So you know I think if Garbutt
52:01
had a played 12 games, he probably is a third teamer as
52:05
well. So you know you make me ask a
52:09
question on that one. Obviously, you know we played
52:13
one fewer game, you know, it's one less day.
52:16
Appoint to put out their true relative, the competition.
52:20
So that has to be taken to account and like I said, with
52:23
garbage sitting out, you know, another to, you know, that
52:28
that's a pretty big and playing hurt.
52:30
Honestly, for for half of those that he did play in.
52:32
So I think Garbutt had when he when he played, when he was
52:37
healthy and playing it to his potential was definitely at
52:40
least a third teamer, but, you know, Miss to didn't play one
52:45
because of the cancellation. And so that hurt him.
52:49
Yeah, I think of Caleb had a stronger, final two games.
52:53
You know, he'd be in the compass conversation, probably 413 as
52:56
well. Yeah, but again none and it's
52:59
the first time I think since night thing, David teal said
53:04
1990 32 years ago, that there were Tech had none.
53:10
So, you know, we got a long ways to go, we know that.
53:13
So it's going to be really interesting how it goes and it
53:16
Tufflips to our next subject here.
53:18
And we're going to talk about the portal.
53:20
And the one thing I know I got a chance to listen to the presser
53:24
with Brent pry. And basically he mentioned that
53:29
between a plethora things, they're going to be having
53:33
conversations with roughly 35 to 35 players about different
53:39
options, they have and you know, we know there's going to be some
53:45
draft stuff there. Be about guys, if they should
53:48
come back into the portal and we kind of already, I think we
53:52
figured out there was one already taken place before the
53:56
end of the day Monday and that is DJ Harvey.
54:00
You know, the four star kid out of California.
54:02
Cornerback has already put his name in the portal.
54:06
Yeah, we saw his role diminish to close out the year.
54:11
Some of that was how well delaying came on, in the back
54:15
half of the season. I think some of that was, you
54:19
know, some of the things that Tucker was doing in practice
54:22
that, you know, looking at that role as best punt returner.
54:27
So it was just a combination of factors.
54:29
And, you know, DJ Harvey's, a talented kid.
54:31
I know he's going to land somewhere and and make a splash,
54:34
but you look like, just how the, how the things were trending.
54:38
You know, staying sticking with the Hokies probably wasn't going
54:42
to be his best opportunity to see the field a lot.
54:45
Come next year. 100% again sometimes you've got that you're
54:49
going to see kids that they got to do what's best for them to
54:52
get on the field and sometimes that writing is on the wall.
54:56
And it's, you know, and I'm sure you'll have some kids that will
55:01
say, you know, I'm going to stay.
55:02
I think I can beat these guys. I know don't don't talk to coach
55:06
Robbie. Confident about this.
55:08
It fires him up. Every time a kid enters the
55:10
portal. But we sit here and it Has her
55:17
death. It hurts step for the love of
55:19
solutely ever looked up a little bit, but again, you're talking
55:24
about a kid that is legitimately across country from family and
55:28
it's one of those things where how tough is it to say?
55:31
Well, I'm really going to be fighting to get into the too
55:34
deep next year. Yeah.
55:39
It's he's essentially scrapping to keep a spot somewhere in the
55:42
2D, even if you have the attrition of of Chapman, right?
55:49
So that's kind of the situation he was looking at and then
55:54
you've got a big class of dbe's coming in as well.
55:58
This year, they class and you we see we saw Mansoor already.
56:03
We saw cam Johnson play. Yeah, the other piece is now And
56:08
maybe this is one of the factors.
56:10
Dorian strong technically. Got a red shirt this year.
56:13
Yeah, so Dorian strong will not be out after next year.
56:18
He has potentially two years of Eligibility.
56:20
That is that something that shaped the decision as well?
56:23
There's so many things and you know, you don't want to
56:26
speculate but you just kind of try to read the tea leaves.
56:29
You know, any, all these kids are going to be entering the
56:31
portal and leaving Tech, you know, you tip your hat and you
56:34
hope the best for them. Absolutely what happens?
56:37
Yeah. I mean you know when we say one
56:39
so he always a hokie that's that's truly what it's about.
56:44
So I mean we wish DJ nothing but the best hopefully lands on his
56:47
feet somewhere that can can maximize his talents and give
56:51
him the opportunity to shine. It's 100% And I saw something I
56:57
lost the Tweet just a few minutes ago, but one of Norfolk
57:01
State's coaches put out there like essentially, in the lashes
57:07
hand Full of days, close to 2,000 players and all levels
57:13
have entered the portal. That's wild to think that many
57:19
people have entered the portal in just, this short amount of
57:24
time as the season is wrapping up.
57:26
And, you know, it's one of those things for live, those kids.
57:30
I'm hoping that the degree is in hand or the degree will be in
57:34
Hand by April, because we. So, last year, there are a lot
57:38
of kids that did not get homes. And when that happens, I mean,
57:43
you feel for them in a lot of out of ways.
57:47
But, you know, you've got to make the right decision for you.
57:51
But, you know, sometimes, you know, hey, you should get in the
57:55
pool. You can you can play elsewhere
57:57
and like reality like, you know, you need to work on getting your
58:01
Collegiate degree. Not necessarily don't think
58:05
football seriously or put it s. Yeah, but there.
58:11
You know, you don't want to say, don't chase your dream, but in
58:14
some ways, you've got to have good counselors.
58:17
And that's where you hope, he coaches of a team are really
58:22
thinking about what's the best interest of the player?
58:25
Not, what's the best interest of the program?
58:27
Because so many people get screwed.
58:29
Yeah, I think you see a lot of problems with players trying to
58:32
make lateral or quasi lateral moves, right?
58:36
So guys that are like dropping down a division or a level Tend
58:42
to find a home guys that have shown the ability to jump up a
58:45
level 10 to find a home. And then guys, kind of at the
58:49
top end that are jumping in the portal.
58:52
Usually find a spot on a blue blood or a contender somebody
58:55
that's kind of in win. Now mode, it says guys that are
58:59
coming from a mid-tier program and trying to go to another be a
59:03
program that often kind of slip through the cracks, right?
59:08
It's very true. It's very, very true.
59:13
So again it's going to happen more probably.
59:17
By the time we get back in a few weeks, which we're kind of
59:21
thinking, we're going to work on.
59:22
Who's gone? Where do we need to fill other
59:26
people in the roster to fill, but it's probably gonna be a lot
59:29
bigger. And maybe we have some, some
59:32
ends as well as outs during that point in time, but we'll see but
59:37
it is that season and I'm sure Brian, you probably were like
59:41
me, you saw some kid, hit the portal and you immediately went
59:43
up and looked up his success look like, did he play a lot?
59:47
So it's an offensive. Lineman was it was he recruited
59:49
previously by our current staff? Yes, and so many ways and I'm
59:56
sure there's going to be some that signals.
59:58
And some tea leaves out there is this goes on for the next few
1:00:01
weeks. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it
1:00:04
because we kind of get a little bit of a bump on the, on the
1:00:08
recruiting front from a portal. Spective just as we kind of go
1:00:11
into, you know, early signing day especially with early
1:00:15
Signing Day beat later in December.
1:00:16
That normally is we get a little bit of a, of a rise in the
1:00:20
portal it, you know, ahead of that this year.
1:00:22
So, that's going to be nice. 100%.
1:00:25
Let's go real quick brown. Before we talk about
1:00:27
championship week and all the games we're going to take a look
1:00:30
at here and let's talk about The playoff rankings from about
1:00:36
number 15, all the way up and Brian.
1:00:41
Let's go through this. And let's just say if we haven't
1:00:43
already. Okay, yep.
1:00:45
All right. Number one, Georgia any issue.
1:00:49
No, I don't hear you. Number two, Michigan, no
1:00:52
problem. No problem.
1:00:54
T. See you at 3:00?
1:00:56
I'm fine with it. I guess you could put the USC
1:00:58
there and I just I'd be just as fine with it USC.
1:01:01
For I'm fine with it. I'm more More impressed.
1:01:03
U.s. see how they one Saturday night with more of a controlled
1:01:07
offense, which we have not ever seen from Lincoln Riley.
1:01:12
Usually linked, and Riley wants to score in 90 seconds.
1:01:15
Every touchdown. They had was three minutes or
1:01:18
more Saturday, then later name, which was that's impressive.
1:01:22
It showed that they can play a pace of play, they will need to
1:01:25
play in the college football playoff.
1:01:27
Damn, right. All right, there were five of us
1:01:30
take twenty one point loss in the horseshoe.
1:01:33
Worst loss in a long time there to Michigan.
1:01:35
I think 86 any issue, Bill me in five though.
1:01:40
No. Because of the teams that are
1:01:42
still behind them, that we're about to talk about her.
1:01:44
Hey, this is where it gets on for Friday night here.
1:01:47
Hey Brian. Number six is Alabama.
1:01:49
Back them up to what number You got to at least put them behind
1:01:55
wherever the fuck. You have Tennessee.
1:01:56
Tennessee, 7. So they need to be eight.
1:02:01
Unless you move it unless you're moving Tennessee up, Penn State
1:02:06
takes a bump goes up to number eight, that's fine with that.
1:02:13
I have a little issue with this one though.
1:02:15
Um, Clemson. Only dropped a 1 after a loss.
1:02:19
To number nine. I did.
1:02:23
I don't get that I put them behind K-State.
1:02:26
I might even put them behind Utah.
1:02:29
Yeah, there's a couple things they could be behind.
1:02:31
I don't think you can go as low as we're gonna look at FSU.
1:02:36
But Dem only dropping one, just kind of just a follow me.
1:02:40
Kansas State, 10 new issue there be two solid, Kansas team the
1:02:46
next to where I kind of have an issue.
1:02:48
So, Utah beat the absolute dog crap out of Colorado.
1:02:52
Like Everybody has this year and they moved up three spots.
1:03:00
Washington beat a better Washington State team and Utah's
1:03:05
11 Washington's. Now 12 Washington moved up one
1:03:09
spot I don't get that whatsoever.
1:03:16
I know, Utah's will be playing the championship game.
1:03:18
I feel like that's the only reason is there, you know?
1:03:22
Basically, trying to get it, the highest matchup possible.
1:03:25
All right, last three here, Florida State at 13 LSU at 14.
1:03:35
And this is really great story. Oregon State at 15.
1:03:39
What we talked about last week? Brian, that in the future, when
1:03:43
there are teams were right there, right there.
1:03:47
Hey listen, beat your rival, your likely in the playoff.
1:03:51
Yep. That happened at Oregon, State's
1:03:55
on field, they knock off organ, organs out of the Pac-12
1:03:59
championship and if this was a 12 team playoff, they're gone,
1:04:03
they're done. Yep.
1:04:05
And why those games are going to matter more and I think two lane
1:04:09
is now 17 to laying on a cusp of getting, it's either going to be
1:04:13
them for UCF to get a new year 6 volt.
1:04:17
So they're those rankings and again, again, I just look
1:04:22
through it. names of 12, every time and You throw two lane in
1:04:27
there would be two lane Georgia. Michigan, TCU USC and Clemson,
1:04:32
leaving, Ohio state, Alabama, Tennessee, Penn State, Kansas
1:04:35
State, and probably Washington, or FS.
1:04:38
You would sneak in the back door in Twilight.
1:04:43
Last week's going to be important to buy this week's
1:04:44
going to be important and let's turn on the big screeners Brian
1:04:47
and wrap this episode up tonight.
1:04:49
Ten Championship Games starting Friday night running through
1:04:53
Saturday Saturday. Could be one of those days where
1:04:58
if you're going to do something, do it really early after the
1:05:02
United States, win over Iran today and going to the group of
1:05:06
what is not group league. Knockout play knockout knockout
1:05:09
stage for the first time in 28 years, it was in the states and
1:05:16
they're playing Dutch. On Saturday morning at 9:00.
1:05:28
Yeah, so that game backed up by a bunch of Championship Games by
1:05:33
Friday night games. If you have Christmas shopping
1:05:37
to do, you might want to wait till Sunday.
1:05:41
Just saying, folks, just saying, well, let's start it here,
1:05:45
Friday night. The first one is going to the
1:05:48
conference USA championship to Texas.
1:05:50
Teen North Texas vs UTSA. The line is eight and a half,
1:05:54
choose a lie. Line, choose a winner, choose,
1:05:56
whatever you got from. Will you think on this?
1:06:02
I'm going to go. I think I'm going to go with UT
1:06:10
San Antonio here I'm with you too.
1:06:13
I feel like that program in the last few years it's just they're
1:06:17
just consistent just being a consistent program they have a
1:06:21
thing as an old. Texas high school football, head
1:06:24
coach down there. I'm with you on that one.
1:06:30
I don't know enough about the spread.
1:06:32
I ain't there. Been that one.
1:06:34
Yeah I'm going money line here. Honey, why don't lie?
1:06:38
All right, Friday night Pack 12 Championship, Utah versus USC.
1:06:45
USC took a while to find the been line on this one because
1:06:49
you talked about a few injured players.
1:06:51
USC only a 3 point favorite in this game and I'm sitting here
1:06:58
I'll watch that first game beginning to end and it was a
1:07:01
classic and again the only reason Utah.
1:07:05
One is add the stones to go for two point conversion late in the
1:07:08
game. Yep I think this one's going to
1:07:11
be a little bit different. I think USC's going to win this
1:07:15
one. I think they're going to not
1:07:17
Sicily when it handily I think they're going to keep you taught
1:07:19
at an arm's length somewhere between 7 and 10 points.
1:07:22
The entire game similar to Notre Dame and you talk is similar to
1:07:27
Notre Dame. They like to run it.
1:07:28
They like to play good defense, I'm going to say, USC 34?
1:07:36
You talk 27, I like you as see to win.
1:07:43
And cover this one, I think that this USC team Now is better
1:07:50
equipped to handle this game than they were the last go-round
1:07:54
between what we saw against Notre, Dame, how they've kind of
1:07:57
closed out the season. I think it's going to be, I
1:08:02
think your background, I'm going 3124.
1:08:04
So I think that it's a full touch down there.
1:08:08
Alrighty, so that wraps up Friday, night's game.
1:08:11
There's only two. We should be three, but that is
1:08:14
what it is. All right, the max in, on
1:08:17
Saturday afternoon, it's one of the twelve o'clock kicks Toledo
1:08:22
versus Ohio Toledo, a one and a half Point favorite, who do you
1:08:26
got on this one? Braun?
1:08:29
Man, I have not watched enough, my action this year to have a
1:08:32
great feel about this, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with Toledo.
1:08:35
It's our own fault. Do we do Tuesday night time?
1:08:39
This while we're talking, it's our own fault, we're sabotaging
1:08:43
ourselves. We are man, we missed out on the
1:08:45
Max and every, every, every game and every game, right?
1:08:49
You said Toledo? Yeah, I'm going to lead.
1:08:51
Oh, I'm going not so fast. My friend, I will take those
1:08:55
points. I think Ohio wins this game.
1:08:59
Ohio, 7 and 1 in conference nine, and three overall, and you
1:09:05
know, their losses this year or Penn State, Iowa State and Kent
1:09:09
State, And they're currently own a seven-game winning streak.
1:09:17
So give me a Ohio to when that one's alright.
1:09:22
The other big time 12:00 game is the Big 12 and it's going to be
1:09:27
K State vs TCU TCU Aslam slit them, two and a half Point
1:09:34
favorite. And, you know, if we take a look
1:09:36
earlier this year, obviously, the Big 12, Everybody Plays,
1:09:41
everybody obviously TCU one that meeting earlier in the year and
1:09:46
tc1 that meeting early in the year.
1:09:50
Well, the, you know, pretty pretty balanced game.
1:09:52
They won about 10 points. The game wasn't Fort Worth this
1:09:56
game is in Dallas. So, you know, a pseudo home
1:09:59
field advantage there. For TCU.
1:10:07
The two and a half scares me because Kansas takes that type
1:10:12
of team that can grind right. And I still worry about TCU
1:10:18
getting them to grind Fest. But I think from TC what we've
1:10:23
seen all years, they answer I'll lay the two and a half, I'll
1:10:29
take TCU to lock up a playoff. Yeah, I think TCU is going to
1:10:35
lock this up, pretty handily. I don't think it's going to be a
1:10:40
10-point game, but I think it's going to be a touchdown or more
1:10:43
game. So, okay, I like TCU in this one
1:10:51
again, I think the between the de facto home game, the fact
1:10:54
that they've, I think they got Their best shot from K-State
1:10:58
last time. I think they take care of
1:11:00
business and just kind of knowing how that first game went
1:11:05
is TC was down 11 and a half, it was 2817, they shut out.
1:11:11
Kansas State in the second half and then proceeded to score. 21
1:11:15
unanswered, to win that game about 10.
1:11:17
So kind of one of those weird flummox games, all right?
1:11:21
And the next one is the Sun Belt.
1:11:24
Brian, its Coastal it's versus true.
1:11:27
Troy is a 10-point. Favorite Coastal.
1:11:30
Got absolutely shellacked up in Harrisonburg last weekend.
1:11:33
Yes, they did. I don't know the whole story
1:11:39
where they playing everybody, the game did not matter, JM you
1:11:44
could not win anything from them and Troy's had a hell of a
1:11:50
season. Troy's had a hell of a season in
1:11:53
the sun belt, Troy's 10 and 2. Ten and two, the only losses Ole
1:12:02
Miss and app state that was appstate early in the season 9
1:12:09
of a trucking. Yeah, when they were old truck,
1:12:12
do you got man Troy always sneaks up on people.
1:12:18
That's I feel like that, that's what happens.
1:12:22
I'm going to take Troy, I'm going to take Troy and the
1:12:26
points, okay? Um, I feel like Tim's just too
1:12:35
big too late Coastal ale to Coast.
1:12:37
So I know this game is I believe it is down in Troy and you know,
1:12:44
it's just one of those that shellacking doesn't Write to me,
1:12:48
Coastal doesn't play like that you know, coastal's one of those
1:12:51
teams that can hang with just about anybody in the country and
1:12:54
to tell me they got just absolutely pounded.
1:12:57
I don't get it. Maybe she's just playing the
1:12:59
state of Virginia team because they got pounded two times this
1:13:02
year both by the state of Virginia I think Troy wins.
1:13:05
I think it's closer. I think it's close enough to
1:13:08
where I'll take ten and Coastal Carolina.
1:13:11
All right, Mountain West Conference.
1:13:14
Fresno State vs Boise. I have not watched any Mountain
1:13:20
West this year. I'm going to be just very
1:13:22
honest, no Mountain, West whatsoever.
1:13:26
So I'm just going to throw a shot in the dark and say Boise
1:13:31
later points. When in doubt, pick Boise, that
1:13:39
that's a good philosophy. I'm going to take it here.
1:13:41
We're both taking Boise. All right, let's get to these
1:13:45
afternoon games, the AAC. UCF versus two lane to Lane a
1:13:49
three-point favorite. What you think on this one?
1:13:53
Brian Gus Malzahn versus Willie Fritz.
1:13:56
I think it's going to be down in the sugar.
1:13:58
Don't, when the Sugar Dome in the Superdome we got so, if
1:14:06
Fritz would have been at Georgia Tech out of absolutely taking
1:14:09
UCF here but since that Chatters off the table, I'm going to ride
1:14:14
the Tulane wave. He's keeps riding the wavy, he's
1:14:18
riding that wave, and I'm riding with you this time.
1:14:21
So it's either going to go down in flames or riding it together.
1:14:26
Tulane lay the points. I think it's going to be a good
1:14:29
game though. I think those two offenses, make
1:14:32
it interesting and maybe two lanes playing in the Sugar Bowl
1:14:36
in their home stadium, and just a few short weeks here, all
1:14:41
right Ron SEC Championship LSU versus Georgia.
1:14:47
Georgia. All but locked in, regardless,
1:14:49
what happens in this game? That they are a 17 and a half
1:14:54
Point favorite LSU, just got who traced down at the, you know,
1:15:01
the 100 million dollars, man, house with Jimbo.
1:15:07
What do you think on this one? You know what, I like Georgia to
1:15:14
win this one. It's at 17 and a half is given
1:15:18
me pause. I think it's a little too rich
1:15:21
for my blood, so if it was money line, I'm taking Georgia but
1:15:27
I'll take LSU against the spread.
1:15:31
All right. This is a tough one because that
1:15:40
is a lot of lot of points. A lot of points to just lay.
1:15:46
And we've seen that lets you keep up, but also, I didn't get
1:15:52
to watch that game. I couldn't tell you how it took
1:15:54
place, but I remember walking back into the man cave on
1:15:58
Saturday night and looking over at the A&M LSU game in wondering
1:16:03
how the hell are they losing them by 17?
1:16:06
If you told me that was a 3 years, Seven-point game, I get
1:16:09
it. Jimbo got his guys up.
1:16:10
The crowd went crazy, it affected LSU, they were looking
1:16:13
forward but I don't, I'm gonna actually take Georgia and lay
1:16:20
the points. I think they lay a freaking ass
1:16:22
whipping on LSU. Okay, maybe don't like 4221, I
1:16:29
really do. All right, two more games here
1:16:32
Brown. The next is Big Ten, the Big Ten
1:16:35
wheel of Destiny, the West, which seriously I think the Big
1:16:41
Ten West may have been worse than the coastal this year, in
1:16:45
all seriousness. There wasn't a good team out
1:16:48
there and that's Purdue takes on Michigan at 16 and a half.
1:16:52
Michigan coming off the blowout win.
1:16:55
I mean produce, always got a good offense but the way
1:16:57
Michigan's lines are playing right now.
1:17:00
Give me Michigan. If this thing was 20 at Lake 20,
1:17:04
give me Michigan. The line is 16 and a half.
1:17:09
Yeah, I'm taking Michigan all the way here.
1:17:11
I don't think this one's really close.
1:17:14
Michigan is hit a different level than I thought they could
1:17:16
reach this year and we'll see if they can continue writing that
1:17:21
going forward, but I don't think there's any reason.
1:17:25
Reason to bet against them right now, after what we saw the new
1:17:27
to Ohio State, not at all. All right.
1:17:30
Last one here obviously, the ACC Championship where UNC takes on.
1:17:34
Clemson. Clemson is a seven and a half
1:17:37
Point favorite. Brian, what are you thinking on
1:17:39
this one? You know what?
1:17:45
Both of these teams kind of limping across the Finish Line.
1:17:49
It's really a weird, weird point to be in because I have no faith
1:17:54
in either of these teams to do what I think they're capable of
1:17:59
true. But Clemson has the better
1:18:00
defense. I'm taking Clemson.
1:18:03
All right, you're right. Clemson does have the better
1:18:05
defense, but it gave up some points last week and the offense
1:18:10
looked discombobulated in. I do not Think they can turn
1:18:15
that in a week and I don't think Davos going to come off DJ
1:18:19
maybe, if he had the nerve and go with the Freshman, I don't
1:18:24
know who wins the game, but the way these teams are both
1:18:27
playing, I don't think anybody's blowing out anybody.
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And in that case, I'll take Carolina, give me the points.
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I don't know who's going to win the game, but I'll take Carolina
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fair. All right, Brian anything break
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in the last few minutes here. Nothing that I think we should
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really talk about. I think we're clear, man.
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I think we're clear. What in the hell?
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Well, while I'm looking at that, that is going to wrap up this
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