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#1539 The Intelligence Spectrum - Harps & Tiff · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I get atif cook, I'll get a cray Harper.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Welcome to my show, and me, welcome
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  Speaker 2: to your show. We didn't talk about this being a
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  Speaker 2: co share, but fuck it, I'm making a corporate decision.
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  Speaker 1: Fabulous.
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  Speaker 3: I like it.
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  Speaker 2: It might remind me. You'll forget this and the listeners
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  Speaker 2: will want to know. But I need to tell you something.
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  Speaker 2: When we get off air about about work stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Remind me Son your listeners remind me because I'll forget.
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  Speaker 2: Can you remind me to remind you? You know? When
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  Speaker 2: people say to me, can you remind me? I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: fucking no, I'm sixty. My head is full of shit
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  Speaker 2: and I'm trying to fucking I'm trying to finish a PhD.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm trying to remember stuff. It's like I feel,
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  Speaker 2: I feel I'm near my kind of cognitive threshold with
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  Speaker 2: some stuff.
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  Speaker 3: What if you do? What is your thing for retaining information?
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  Speaker 3: How do you figure that out?
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  Speaker 2: Well? It depends in what realm. Like if it's with
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  Speaker 2: names and stuff, I just if I know another person
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  Speaker 2: with the same name, then I just associate, like I
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  Speaker 2: bring that person's face to mine so I remember with
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  Speaker 2: with with dry academic jargon. I struggle, so I try
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  Speaker 2: to make it interesting. But there's there's a theory that Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so well, this is my theory. And my theory is
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  Speaker 2: that if I hear it and then I write it down,
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  Speaker 2: and then as long as it's something that's not overly complicated.
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  Speaker 2: But if I hear it, then I write it down.
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  Speaker 2: The more you write, the more you're likely to remember.
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  Speaker 2: So we know that I forget what the number is,
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  Speaker 2: but it's pretty significant percentage. So if you go to
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  Speaker 2: a workshop and just listen versus go to a workshop
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  Speaker 2: and listen and write down, the chances of you retaining
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  Speaker 2: and then applying and then getting benefit from the application
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  Speaker 2: are exponentially greater versus sitting in a room like I
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  Speaker 2: can I say this. I'm going to give him a
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  Speaker 2: shout out. David from Queensland Rail. I'm going Queensland next
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  Speaker 2: week to do a gig, right, And so I did
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  Speaker 2: a gig for them two years ago for two hours, right,
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  Speaker 2: And we sat yesterday, we're on the call and we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about what I'm going to talk about next week
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  Speaker 2: and talking about content and he said, okay, so these
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  Speaker 2: are the things that you covered last time. Because last
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  Speaker 2: time I sent him a bit of checklist of what
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  Speaker 2: I was going to cover. Fuck, now that's distracting.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just get him just turning my electric blanket on.
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, she's playing. She's playing with a cat. Everybody
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  Speaker 2: on the cats just here anyway, anyway, so old mate. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about what I spoke about two years ago
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  Speaker 2: for two hours, and he's like, which I understand, is like, look,
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  Speaker 2: half the audience will be new, but we don't want
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  Speaker 2: you to cover the same content. And I'm like, while
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  Speaker 2: I understand that, of course I won't. But what's hilarious
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  Speaker 2: is two years ago they heard me talk for two hours.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I could almost guarantee you that all of
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  Speaker 2: them forgot all of what I said, So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: but that's just about you know. I try to when
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  Speaker 2: I'm teaching stuff to make it memorable. I try to
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  Speaker 2: story a fia it turn it into a story because
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  Speaker 2: people remember stories because stories create emotional connection. Humor creates
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  Speaker 2: emotional connection. But just fucking information unless that really relates
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  Speaker 2: to you strongly, right then generally it doesn't have the
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  Speaker 2: same emotional, psychological, or physiological impact because emotion lives in
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  Speaker 2: the body right. But when I say, which I won't
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  Speaker 2: do again today for the millions time. But if I
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  Speaker 2: talk about the data and the science and the research
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  Speaker 2: around childhood obesity versus tell a story about my obese childhood,
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  Speaker 2: it has a very different impact.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But from back to your question, from our learning, I
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  Speaker 2: need to listen to it. I need to write it down.
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  Speaker 2: I need to record it sometimes in my phone, and
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  Speaker 2: then I play it in the car. And then as
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  Speaker 2: soon as I can, I teach it. Yes, as soon
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  Speaker 2: as I can I teach it, I share it. So
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  Speaker 2: there was a term I heard recently which I really loved.
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  Speaker 2: So this is an example because I'm a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a slow learner, but once I learn it, it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of locked in. Like I struggled to learn functional anatomy.
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  Speaker 2: But now twenty five years after my degree, I pretty
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  Speaker 2: much remember all of it. Once I learn it, I
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  Speaker 2: retain it. But learning it is not that quick. But
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  Speaker 2: I remember reading a thing about a month ago around
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  Speaker 2: this idea that we most of us automatically think that
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  Speaker 2: other people think like us. So they my intention will
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  Speaker 2: be their experience. They'll understand what I am saying because
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  Speaker 2: I understand what I am saying right. So that phenomena
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  Speaker 2: in psychology is called the false consensus effect, right, And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I fucking love that. I love that
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  Speaker 2: because that's so relevant for my work. That's so relevant
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  Speaker 2: for my research. But for about three weeks I kept
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  Speaker 2: forgetting the term and then the moment that I started
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  Speaker 2: talking about it as a component of self awareness, communication rapport,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like into personal stuff. And now I remember it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and if you ask me in ten years,
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  Speaker 2: I'll still remember it. But for me, it's like when
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  Speaker 2: I hear, for example, a new term like that, and
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  Speaker 2: you go, that's an interesting term. It's kind of explains
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  Speaker 2: in one term a whole bunch of stuff, and it's
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  Speaker 2: relevant to my work. Yeah, that's my process. What about you?
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  Speaker 2: Do you have a specific learning process or is it
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  Speaker 2: a bit rando?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like.
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  Speaker 3: I'm almost the opposite to you in that I'm a
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  Speaker 3: really quick learner but a terrible retainer, right, and um,
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  Speaker 3: so being really interested.
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  Speaker 2: A really good point. Actually, use it's really about retention.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't it? Retention and recall.
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  Speaker 3: It's almost like I feel like my head is a
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  Speaker 3: teenager's messy bedroom and there's a lot of really cool
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  Speaker 3: shit in there, but good luck digging it out when
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  Speaker 3: you need it.
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  Speaker 2: Such a nice analogy.
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  Speaker 1: It's not nice one. It's your head though.
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  Speaker 3: Mamma did always tell me to clean my room. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I did not have better retention.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's true, though, isn't. It's trying to it's
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  Speaker 2: trying to shuffle through the fucking filing cabinets in your head.
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  Speaker 2: It is like most of it, most of it is
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  Speaker 2: in there. But I also think that, you know, we've
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  Speaker 2: spoken about this a little bit before, Like, so right now,
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  Speaker 2: as we record this, it's eleven thirty nine. I know
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  Speaker 2: that my brain, my cognition, my clarity, my fucking articulation
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  Speaker 2: of things is better now than if we did this
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  Speaker 2: tonight at six thirty nine. Yeah, you know, if we
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  Speaker 2: did this tonight at six thirty nine, not eleven thirty nine, am,
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  Speaker 2: people would not not that this is the high watermark
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  Speaker 2: for a podcast what we're doing now. But it would
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  Speaker 2: be dogshit if we recorded it in seven hours, because
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  Speaker 2: I would have already been up and working for thirteen hours.
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  Speaker 2: You would have been doing the same. Yeah. So I
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  Speaker 2: think understanding how you work is important, and what time
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  Speaker 2: of day and in what you know, like also down
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  Speaker 2: to how do I best? I'll shut up after this,
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  Speaker 2: I realize I'm over talking. There's my self awareness moment.
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  Speaker 2: But you know when you go like, I'm good in
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  Speaker 2: twenty minute chunks. Yeah, unless it's something that I'm passionate about,
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  Speaker 2: then I'm all in. But if it's actual research where
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  Speaker 2: I've got to read papers twenty minutes and then get
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  Speaker 2: up fucking and walk around the block, come back to
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  Speaker 2: another twenty minutes, do some push ups, do some squats,
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  Speaker 2: I can do some jazz or size touch of toes
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  Speaker 2: twenty minutes. You know, I've got to I've got to
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  Speaker 2: work to my I reckon, I'm a little bit. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not you, adhd, but I'm a little bit. I'm a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. Probably ah i am, I am if I'm
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  Speaker 2: not into it. Fuck, I find it hard to concentrate.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and finding out that you know that level of
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  Speaker 3: engagement that's needed to get you to focus and retain
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  Speaker 3: because it's really easy for me. I learned pretty quickly
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  Speaker 3: that in a classroom's good for me. Online is not
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  Speaker 3: a great method of learning because I'm impatient and I'm enthusiastic,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm impatient. I'm impatient at just digesting information for
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  Speaker 3: the sake of it. You know, watching a live video.
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  Speaker 3: If I miss a live video or workshop, the experience
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  Speaker 3: of watching it back is which is weird, right because.
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  Speaker 1: It's the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: But when you know that what's happening is live and
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  Speaker 3: your interactions are also seen on the other side, there's.
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  Speaker 1: A different there's I don't know, it's very different for me.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, there's interaction. I mean one there is interaction. One
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  Speaker 2: there's no interaction. And also I think like I used
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  Speaker 2: to teach exercise programming at UNI, So I used to
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  Speaker 2: teach first and second year students exercise programming and half
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  Speaker 2: of what would be an a lecture theater, which was
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  Speaker 2: fucking horrible. So you know, you're talking about flex and extension,
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  Speaker 2: internal external rotation and which is you know, functional anatomy
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  Speaker 2: to a point, and then you're talking about like the
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  Speaker 2: theory of weight training, which is you know, But then
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  Speaker 2: when I'd get them into the gym, it was a
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  Speaker 2: whole different an experience where I'd have humans and bodies
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  Speaker 2: and joints and muscles and movement and planes of movement
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  Speaker 2: and fucking overload and like eyes wide open and energy
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  Speaker 2: and it's different and like trying to teach something which
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  Speaker 2: is a practical thing in a theoretical way. I hate it.
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  Speaker 2: I hate it. I'm an experiential learner. It's like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm only moderately good at business because I owned businesses,
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  Speaker 2: and I've owned businesses for nearly forty years. Right, that's
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  Speaker 2: and I just because I fucked up, made money, lost money,
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  Speaker 2: got things right, got things wrong, employed good people and
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  Speaker 2: not so good people, hired fired, dealt with lawyers, dealt
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  Speaker 2: with counsel, dealt with landlords. You know. It's like figured
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  Speaker 2: out marketing, figured out branding, you know, Like that's how
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  Speaker 2: I got good at business by doing business. You know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such an important thing to highlight and understand
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  Speaker 3: about yourself losing it. Like how much I have beaten
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  Speaker 3: myself up over time about my inability to learn a
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  Speaker 3: certain way or retain things. You know. One of my
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  Speaker 3: biggest things that challenged me was not retaining stats and
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  Speaker 3: data and science and decause I wanted to tell people
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  Speaker 3: and teach people things. But the stuff, the depth of
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  Speaker 3: things that interested me that I was fascinated by the
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  Speaker 3: ability to retain that and recall it accurately. Was just
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  Speaker 3: wasn't there, And it can lead to people really like
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  Speaker 3: inhibiting potential because you choose not to do things you
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  Speaker 3: choose not to I'm not a business person. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: good at that. I couldn't do that. I couldn't teach people.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't you know, I couldn't go for that job.
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  Speaker 3: And then we forget about all the things that make
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  Speaker 3: us great.
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  Speaker 2: And also, I think, you know, because understandably this is
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  Speaker 2: a slight on education or the system or teachers. I
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  Speaker 2: love teachers, They're amazing, but not everyone fits ideally into
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  Speaker 2: the same kind of model of education, you know. And
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  Speaker 2: I look back now and I think, ah, I you know,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't full of full blown ADHD or you know,
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  Speaker 2: but I I for me, the traditional model of learning
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  Speaker 2: wasn't optimal. You know, it wasn't terrible, but it wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: But for some of my mates, it was terrible, Like
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  Speaker 2: it was completely Yet you would put those same because
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  Speaker 2: I went to an all boys school, so that's why
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  Speaker 2: I say mates. But then you'd put some of those
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  Speaker 2: guys in a different environment with different required skills or aptitude,
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  Speaker 2: and they were fucking amazing. And I was the biggest
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  Speaker 2: dumb ass of all time, you know, and I think this,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this speaks to the spectrum of what is intelligence,
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  Speaker 2: And sadly, in our culture, we think intelligence is IQ. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I know some people with high IQs who are fucking idiots,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Like, you know, do they have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of data stored in their head? Yeah? Can they catch
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  Speaker 2: a ball? No? Can they change a tire? No? Do
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  Speaker 2: they know how to have a meaningful conversation? Can they
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  Speaker 2: be instinctive and intuitive and in the moment and read
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  Speaker 2: the room and read? No? No, some of them are terrorit.
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  Speaker 2: They're good people, but they admit that. Like now, Like
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  Speaker 2: I often say to me one of my friends who's
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  Speaker 2: real smart, and he may or may not have been
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  Speaker 2: on this show, and his name might be doctor Alex Kaofeman,
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  Speaker 2: Like I love him and he's obviously a genius. But
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  Speaker 2: Alex always says to me, how the fuck you just
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  Speaker 2: get in front of a room and just like with
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  Speaker 2: no notes, no plan, and you're not stressed, and you
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  Speaker 2: just start and you keep talking and it's and that's
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  Speaker 2: a different And I'm not saying I'm a genius, because
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  Speaker 2: I'm not. But there's a few things I'm good at,
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  Speaker 2: and that's one of them. But you know, as soon
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  Speaker 2: as Alex starts unpacking the fucking the brain on a
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  Speaker 2: medical level, my eyes roll back in my head and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like the Sarah, what the prefrontal? What the fuck?
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  Speaker 2: You know? And I only understand the brain reasonably well
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  Speaker 2: now because I've tirelessly studied it, But it's not my
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  Speaker 2: natural kind of habitat. It's not my natural operating system
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  Speaker 2: to learn that way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I did an episode with two guests recently, and I
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  Speaker 3: found a challenge. Sometimes having two guests on a show
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  Speaker 3: is a bit clunky and challenging. I find it very
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  Speaker 3: different because, you know, managing people on Mike's talking over
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  Speaker 3: each other, one of them completely blind, so they have
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  Speaker 3: no visual input as to who's speaking and about to
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  Speaker 3: speak and what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: And that was running through my mind.
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  Speaker 3: And I've been a bit crook lately, so I've felt
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  Speaker 3: a bit under the weather and a bit cognitively delayed.
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  Speaker 3: And there were a huge inner critic in my head
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  Speaker 3: just throughout this whole conversation.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, you are shit it this this is terrible.
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  Speaker 3: But in the middle of analyzing that whole experience, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, that's like, that's it's a real skill set.
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  Speaker 3: This is improv this, like I did improv workshop a
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  Speaker 3: couple of years ago just for fun. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: that's things that that's something people get taught to do.
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  Speaker 3: And only when I'm challenged to a level of it
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  Speaker 3: in one scenario do I realize that that's actually a
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  Speaker 3: skill set that I don't even recognize I have that's
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  Speaker 3: very valuable that I do every single day when I'm
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  Speaker 3: podcasting with no plan or notes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's social intelligence. Like that is intelligence. That's
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  Speaker 2: literally called social intelligence at intersex with situational awareness is
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  Speaker 2: knowing what is, what isn't appropriate, what you know? Yeah, No,
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  Speaker 2: that that is definitely And by the way, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: discounting IQ as an important thing everyone. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 2: that the cultural kind of standard that we have that
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  Speaker 2: intelligence equals or intelligence is represented by IQ score or
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  Speaker 2: academic prowess is a very very misleading concept, like very
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  Speaker 2: misleading and in the real world, in the real world
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  Speaker 2: doesn't work.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's relevant only when you look from the
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  Speaker 3: standpoint of matching where you're going or where you want
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  Speaker 3: to be, what room you're in to what type of
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  Speaker 3: intelligence you look at. You get people working in the
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  Speaker 3: arts and give them an IQ kit to a Q test,
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  Speaker 3: it's probably not that relevant. Yeah, someone in academia.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think about my three best mates, right, the
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  Speaker 2: crab that I train with. The crab is like, if
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  Speaker 2: you're going to get stuck on an island or remote island,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: get stuck with a crab because he'll build you a
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  Speaker 2: house by tomorrow lunchtime, right, or.
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  Speaker 1: A wooden squat rack. So I've heard.
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  Speaker 2: Yeahing like, don't get stuck anywhere remote with me. You'll
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  Speaker 2: die by dinner time. I'll probably eat you, So don't
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  Speaker 2: fucking do that, right. And then there's Greg, my mate,
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  Speaker 2: who's a musical genius. Like you could give him four
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  Speaker 2: bits of string and a couple of other pieces of junk,
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  Speaker 2: he'll make an instrument. Right. So he's never been taught
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  Speaker 2: an instrument but plays about twenty instruments, writes songs, records sings.
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  Speaker 2: He's a musical prodigy. Like, it's fucking and I learned
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  Speaker 2: guitar for eight years and it's like, compared to him,
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  Speaker 2: I've never had a lesson, which is fucking annoying. Right,
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  Speaker 2: And then Vinn my mate from school, best mate from school.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's an electrician, he's a tradee. He's just
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  Speaker 2: he just knows how to fix shit. And he'll come
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  Speaker 2: to my joint and something I've been trying to fix
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  Speaker 2: for three weeks He'll fix in four minutes and tell
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  Speaker 2: me I'm a moron, and I go, yes, I agree,
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  Speaker 2: Like it's it's context. To Pennant, it's skilled, it's situation,
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  Speaker 2: Like what does this moment require? Does it require fixing
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  Speaker 2: that broken thing or having a conversation or knowing how
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  Speaker 2: to fucking change a nappy? Like I know that's this
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  Speaker 2: is a probably embarrassment. So I've never changed the nappy
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  Speaker 2: in my life. Imagine me doing that either, thirty five?
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  Speaker 2: Have you never done that? No, well, you know there
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  Speaker 2: are certain things that So yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was thinking about school when you were talking about
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  Speaker 3: school earlier. I remember in high school getting my desk.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I should be old enough to know better
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  Speaker 3: by then. I think it even happened in year eleven,
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  Speaker 3: to be honest, but I remember this in about year nine,
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  Speaker 3: getting my desk moved out to the hallway because I
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  Speaker 3: was disruptive and a pain in the ass and ruining
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  Speaker 3: everybody else's learning opportunities, and yet Math's was my best subject.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm getting kicked out of the I'm not paying attentioning,
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  Speaker 3: I'm stuffing around the whole time, and then I get
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  Speaker 3: a pluses and my teachers hated it. But you asked
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: me today about any complex maths equations that aren't just
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: basic shit that you use all the time, and I
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: don't retain it. So now I'm a math dummy because
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: I didn't listen properly, but I could learn it really quickly.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you have that capacity. It's like there
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: are some things, depending on what it is, there are
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: some things that you learn really quickly, and there are
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: also some things that you can know that I love
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: the stuff that you intuitively and instinctively know that you've
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: never been taught. So just a quick example of that
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: is the other day I was looking through old photos
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: and old whiteboards, and I found a whiteboard that was
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: nearly ten years old, and the whiteboard said what is
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: it like being around you? Which is literally my current research,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: which i'd never heard of. Metaperception, meta their accuracy, metacognition,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: theory of mind. I'd never heard of any of those things.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: But even ten years ago, I understood the significance of
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: having that kind of awareness, and I was talking about it,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: and nobody told me that. I didn't learn that anywhere.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I didn't read a book on it. I just became
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: aware that I was working with people, often with bosses, managers, leaders, coaches,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: who had no fucking idea what it was like for
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: their team, their group, their staff to be around them.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: And I recognized if they knew what it was like
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: being around them, or they were willing to at least
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: lean into that idea, probably things would go better for them.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, six years later, five years later,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I'd discovered this thing, and then I start doing this
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: fucking doctorate in it, and I'm like, I knew this
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: stuff before, I knew that it was even an area
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: of research, or at the very least I had an
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: awareness of it, you know. And then you find out, oh, wow,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: there's this has a name, this has thirty or forty
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: years of research invested into it. This is a skill
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: that's teachable, you know. And I think that, you know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: like my dad is I probably should say was. He
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: doesn't paint any more, but he was a very, very
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: talented artist. Award winning artist who never had one lesson?
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: You know, how the fuck do you become an award
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: winning artist when no one taught you ever? Like he
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: never had any lesson ever in art? Like that's just
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: an intuitive and nate kind of intelligence or gift. Right.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a really good book on when I started
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: sketching in Lockdown, I've got a lot of people told me,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: and I read about three pages of this book fascinating,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: but also I don't know, I think it was practical
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: and I didn't continue with it. But it talked about
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: you draw. It was called it's called drawing on the
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: right side of the brain. And funnily enough, when I
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: bought it, my young nephew said, I've read that book.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: He's he was told to buy that book because of drumming.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: And it just one thing I remember it talking.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: About is how artists see things differently, and when you
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: learn to see the way an artist sees the whole world,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: life looks different. And I was like, what interested me
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: about that? Is when I started sketching. I remember meeting
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: with a lady that taught painting. I'd met her through networking,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: and I was talking about how I've just started sketching,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: and it's you know, it's like I can do it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Likes to think like I hadn't sketched since school and
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: didn't think I was.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Good at it.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: And she said something about blurring. She goes, do you
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: blur your vision? I said, yeah, blur like I kind of.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: It's funny because when I get in the zone with it,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: I blur my whole vision. I'm going at the speed
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: of light. I'm smudging shit with a tissue like it's
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: just crazy. I almost watch myself doing it, going, who's
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: even roaring this?
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: So obviously this way of seeing, I was dropping into that,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: and then I was interested in, well, what is the
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: world like if I didn't already see like that? What
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: does that even mean?
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: But that fascinates me, Well, you're very good at that,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Like when you when I first saw something that you'd sketched,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, jeep, it's and that's like, no, it's good. Fuck,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I look like a four year old using their wrong hand.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: That's what I look like.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Who you do use your wrong hand, don't you?
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, the funny thing is I can, like, yeah,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I can write really well on a whiteboard, like I
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: don't know if that's a fucking much of a claim,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: but I constantly get asked about my whiteboards on Instagram
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: and I actually put up. I put one up the
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: other day, like the finished product and the original, just
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the photo of the whiteboard. Yeah, and people like, I
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: can't believe that you write that neat with your hand,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: and I go, I don't know why, but that's just
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: how I write. But if I write on paper, I'm
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: not nearly as neat these days as on a whiteboard,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: because who the fuck writes on paper? I don't on
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: paper other than just scribbling notes while I'm chatting to someone.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: But yeah, anyway, it's I wonder, I wonder how much
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: of that kind of left brain right brain stuff is
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: you know, inherent. I guess a fair bit that creative
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: versus you know, strategic logic, and how you know how
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: trainable it is? Do you remember? I don't think you
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: did it. I think it was Melissa, but so that
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: brain scientist, doctor Jill Balty Taylor. She's that very famous
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: and she did a very famous Ted talk. What was
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: it called? It will come to me? But anyway, just
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: if you want to listen to it, everyone, I think
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: it was called my Stroke of insight or something like that,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: doctor Jill Balty Taylor, and she spoke about when her
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the left side of her brain show down, and so
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: literally the left hemisphere of her brain shut down, so
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: she couldn't read or write or discern numbers or she
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: was obviously still alive and the right side of her
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: brain was still as she calls it online, but the
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: left side of her brain had gone offline, including I
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: guess the amygdala which is the emotional epicenter of the
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: brain where fear arises from, and all of that. And
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: even though this horrible thing she was having a massive stroke,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: she said it was the most blissful, beautiful, amazing experience
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: she'd ever had in her life.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then when she they were amazed that she
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: lived because like, the whole left hemisphere is shut down,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: and then it took her years years of rehab and
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: therapy and anyway, she did that amazing talk, amazing talk
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: on TED. It's probably twelve years old now, my stroke
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: of inside I think it's called. Yeah, but then we
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: had her on the show and yeah, she was talking
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: about which is no news, but you know how adaptable
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: the brain is, you know, neuroplasticity. We didn't know that,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: but now we know that the brain can. We used
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: to think if the part of the brain that does,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: for example, find motor skills has damaged, then you're going
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: to be fucked forever. But now we know that other
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: parts of the brain can adapt to take on that role.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: But we didn't know how to train it. We didn't
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: know how to train it. Now now you know, all
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: the geniuses that operate in that space know how that works.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I found it really interesting.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I was talking to Kevin McGhee the Grand Prix Motors
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: of Grand Prix Superstar yesterday and he.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Had a brain injury and had to have a brain
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: he's something.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I think he had something taken out of his brain.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I can't remember exactly, so he had an accident, how
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: to take it out? And when anyone was getting back
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: on the bike in next to no time in a
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: matter of months to race again.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Was this on a show or just out and about
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: you met him?
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: No, this on a show because him and Ben Felt
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: and the fastest blind man on a motorcycle are the
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: guests at the event that I'm am seeing in a chooka.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Can I just say, can I just say that term
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: that sentence, the fastest blind man on a motorcycle is
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: maybe the most ridiculous sentence or unexpected sentence. How the
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: fuck is a blind as somebody who rides motorbikes?
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it actually gets you into a fascinating and this
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: is one of the things that fascinated me. So he
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: did add to go do all this neurological testing to
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: get proble to get back on the bike. They do
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: all this like reaction time testing, and the neurologists is like, well,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: go get your gear on and get going because your
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: reaction time is four times faster than the average human.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: And just thinking about that.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: To go what actually goes into becoming greater to sport?
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: What do you really need to train? Do you really
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: need to fang around a track or do you need
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: to go? How do I best get a result in
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: training my reaction time because that's what's getting me the
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: wins on the track. And I think it's fascinating and
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: same goes. One of the biggest things I was fascinated
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: about was when I got back on my bike recently
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: and I'm going around a bend and I'm observing myself
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: going I don't know what I'm physically doing. It's funny
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: because all I do is look where I want to go,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: and the bike goes there. Because that's just what's happening.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: But if I had to tell someone, if I had
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: to tell Ben who's got no vision, how do you
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: translate that?
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: It's actually fascinating.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible. I mean that. That makes me nervous
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: thinking about that.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: No, two hundred and seventy k's an hour.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: By the way, that's how fast he goes.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, two hundred and seventy one k's in our world
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: record twenty eighteen.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: They did it first time Kevin navigated him.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: He got his lefts and right it's wrong and sent
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: him into a baile hay.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Fuck that fuck that. I used to train Todd and
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Rick Kelly and Michael Caruso and James Moffatt who were
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: the Nissan Motor Racing V eight supercar team, right, and
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I used to go to their warehouse factory fucking high
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: performance center in Brayside and they had this incredible gym
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: there just for the drivers, Like, so four blokes, they've
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: got this incredible gym, But they also had this which
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: you've probably seen. This amazing thing on the wall, which
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: is a reaction time training device. And so there's like
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: all these let's just call them big buttons on a
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: wall that lights up, and so you've every time one
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: lights up, you've got to hit it. So it's you
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: would fucking this because you're ADHD and you're super You're
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: like a fucking you're like a cat watching a mouse.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: You're like ready to spring. Right, Yeah, you would fucking
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: love this, you'd because you'd be so high and you
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: wouldn't get off it because you want to keep beating
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: your time. But what it does is it it'll like
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I can't remember the number, but it might it might
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: have light up like sixty times. And so one of
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: the kind of it's almost like a you don't like
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: the round blue lights on top of a cop car. Yeah,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: like half the size of that, maybe a third the
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: size of that, but it lights up and you got
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: to hit it. When you hit it, the next one
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: will light up. When you hit that, the next one
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: will light up and so on. So how long before
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: the next one light lights up is determined by how
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: quickly you hit the one before, right, So I think
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: it's I don't know, maybe it's eighty eighty like it
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: goes well. The first time it took me sixty five
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: seconds and then sixty two seconds, and then you know,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: and then I think I was with I can't remember.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: It might have been Michael Caruso. Anyway, one of the drivers.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: They told me how it works, and I'm fucking around
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: with it. I'm like a fucking dinosaur with boxing gloves on.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: And then then he jumped on and did all eighty
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: or whatever it was in about like twenty two seconds,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: like it was as the moment that it lit up
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: he touched it, and they're all lighting up in different spaces.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: It's like a one meter square maybe a bit bigger. Yeah,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: And I thought, oh, yeah, this is so it is
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: in answer to your question reaction time. But then you think, also,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: obviously you need skill, Obviously you need fucking big balls metaphorically,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: you know, like you need talk about equanimity, talk about chaos,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: like fucking ducing a bike is chaos.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And in the.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Middle of the in the middle of people trying to
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: pass you outside inside undercut, you turn two, turn three,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: fucking straight, heavy braking, lean in, knee on the ground,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: elbow on. That's fucking chaos, and in the middle of
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: all of that, you've got to be the opposite of chaotic.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: There was one instance where he kept shifting to the
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: left right and they couldn't figure it out. And what
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: was happening was every time he had to do a
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: gear change, so the pressure when he takes his foot off,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: puts it back on. And when you've got and this
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: is the thing, when you got visual feedback, your body
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: just does what the subconscious does what it does, and
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: it's understanding. I love this because this is what I
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: do with training boxing. All the time. People are there
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: looking at things, controlling things, and I'm training the stuff
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: that they're controlling but not controlling, and then trying to
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: teach them by the methods of the things they do control.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: And so every time he shifts his gears and takes
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: pressure off both pedals and then puts it back on,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: he's shifted, you know, a couple of inches to the left,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: and like you do that on a track so many
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: times and then next.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Minute you're wait way too close to the wall.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Fuck that that is just so terrifying the thought of
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: a blind person riding a fucking high performance motorbike and
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: they can't see what's going on.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: I will post the link to in the typ group too,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: and I'll send it to you. There's a link to
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: the video of Heaven behind the bike as he's no no,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: I think it's on the dash of the bike that
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Ben's riding as he's doing this.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: And I watched it and I felt sick with nerves.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: You've just got the bike.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: You can feel the bike, you can see the bike shattering,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: and it's just like, oh, especially if you know what
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: it feels like to ride a bike and you just
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: see the gauge going up, and it's just insane.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: I tell you what. You don't want to have happened.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Your colms to break down.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: That's happened. That's happened. He's done that.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Fuck that you're heading into a corner and you phone
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: go offline.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: You can't get that.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: He ends up so in tune with the look and that,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: like he said, by the time we've done however many
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: laps around the track, and Comms did drop out once
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: or twice, it didn't matter because he knew exactly where
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: he was on the track and on the circuit, and
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: he said, I wish that I could get my vision
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: back now, just to be goes, I'd be a much
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: better writer because everything else is so heightened because it
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: doesn't have the vision.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: So if we extrapolate everything that we've spoken about so far,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: you know what makes you know? What makes us a
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: good learner, what makes a good teacher, what's the ideal
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: environment to like? Some things are practical, but we need
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: to do some theory before the prack. Tell me about
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: teaching boxing. Tell me about what makes somebody a good
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: student in the boxing space? Which students you feel like
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: some sorry I'll shut up up to this, like some boxers.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: It seems to me like you can only learn boxing
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: by doing it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Of course, Yeah, it's a process of I think, being
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: able to really listen and understand to and get into
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: your body. So it's about getting into your body. And
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: for me, like I wasn't a natural at it, and
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: that's why I love it so much, and I think
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: that's what's made me very good at figuring it out
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: and teaching it to others. Because when you can just
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: do something, it's really hard to know, Like what we've
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: just spoke about, if you're just good at something you
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: haven't analyt, had to analyze all the different things that
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: are getting in the way or out of the way
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: of you being good at that thing. So boxing is
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: we think we're making choices, but the choices we're making
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: are happening before the movements, right, So by the time
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: a glove moves towards my face, there's not enough time
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: for me to move out of the way. So what's
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: actually happening is my subconscious is identified what happens before
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: a punch, and I've trained that reaction. But where I
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: think the choice is happening actually isn't where it's happening.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: So it's understanding what position do I have to be
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: and how do I have to hold myself.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: If I hold myself in a.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Different posture, the things that I choose to do will
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: be different. So sometimes it's just it's just the way
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: you hold your posture that's going to make you make
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: a different choice. You can have the same amount of bravery,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: like if I, for example, if I stand really upright
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: with my head up and my shoulders back, and someone
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: throws a punch at my face, and even if I'm
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: throwing a punch back at the same time, I will
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: pull my head back and lift it up and out
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: because the body will always keep you safe. So the
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: body goes, shit, there's something coming to my face, Get up,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: get out, Whereas if I just engage my core, crouch down,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: round the shoulders forward, that same thing happens, and I
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: will my head I know safe for that to punch
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: me in the top of the head, and I will
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: step forward and I will drop. My knees will drop,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: so I won't lift my head up and pull out.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: My knees will drop down and I'll throw a punch
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: straight away. And that's that's not it's a choice, but
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: it's not a choice. It happens despite what you want
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: to do. And that's the frustrating part of boxing. Do
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: you train, train, train, train, train, You get in the ring,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: you're stand in front of someone and everything you've trained
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: for straight changes, and you're.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Like, what the fuck?
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Like I know what to do and now I'm not
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: doing it. And then you've got to go to the
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: drawing board and go, what's happening. How am I managing
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: my anxiety? What's that doing in my pasture? Where's the
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: actual what part of the chain of events is affecting
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: what I want to do compared to what I'm doing.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny how that stuff that we do
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: on autopilot that we don't have time to go, oh,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: this is happening. Oh what's the appropriate response? Oh, you
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: know what I'll do? Like there isn't that time. The
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: other day, I was riding to the gym and I
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: you know, I started riding motorbikes when I was five
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: or six, and I started riding all the time on
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: the road when I was eighteen, which is forty two
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: years ago. And There's not really many days of my
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: life where I'm not riding a motorbike. Right, So there's it,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: you know, which not say I'm the best rider in
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: the world, but it is to say that I'm very very,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: very very experienced, right. And it was funny because you know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: when you're on a motorbike, you've got you know, you've
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: got a front break with for those who don't know,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: you have a front brake and a back break, and
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: the front brake is pulled in with your right hand.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: The clutch obviously where it is in a car, you know,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: but the clutch on a motorbike is the left lever,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: and then the gear changes at your left foot and
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: the back wheel brake or the back brake is the
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: right foot, and then you've got indicators left and right
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: and canceling on your left thumb, and then you've got
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: you know, fucking high beam also on your left thumb,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: and you you know bunch of things right, But you
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: just ride along and you don't think about what you're doing.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: And the other day this lady just pulled out, just
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: happened to be a lady like I was riding along
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Ludston Street. She just pulled out. She didn't see me,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: and I nearly fucking plowed into her. And if I
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: wasn't paying attention, and I wasn't a good writer, I
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: would have just ridden into her. And within I don't know,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: not one second, I would say, one tenth of one second,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: my thumb was on the horn and like, and I'd
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: probably toot my horn on my motorbike once or twice
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: a year. It's not like it's something like you yeah,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: but it's just so funny this thing happens, and you're
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: straight away reacting, and then all of a sudden she
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: realized she was just pulling in front of a vehicle,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: which was me on my vehicle, And it all turned
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: out okay, And obviously she wasn't I trying to kill me,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: but she almost did. I was thinking when I got
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: to the gym, I was thinking, if that wasn't me,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: if that was someone who got their license two weeks ago,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: that would.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Have been messy, oh one hundred percent.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: And that's what my biggest fit, that was the biggest
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: cause for my nerves and anxiety getting back on was
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: the realizing in the moment that I didn't have that
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: that wasn't automatic.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: For a while, that I didn't have those automatic.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: I was thinking so hard about the controls of the
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: bike that including traffic and all of the other things
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: I need to focus on. I was like, this, this
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: is too much of my head.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: But you know what's great. I mean, we know that,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: like one of the things that gets spoken about a
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: lot is not enough, and I think needs to be
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: spoken about more. But increasingly we're talking about improving cognitive
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: function as we get older. Right, And this is going
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: to be this is going to sound like a stretch,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: but I absolutely mean it while writing, and I'm fully
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: acknowledging everyone motorcycles in general, it's not a safe hobby.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I recognize that, but also tip Scott full writing gear
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: with body armor in a great helmet, great gloves and
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: all of that. So as protected as you can be,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: she is. But apart from having fun, and apart from
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: the brain chemistry that's going on, and apart from you know,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: just the fucking thrill factor, Like, it's actually cognitively enhancing
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: because you've had to retrain your brain to become very
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: familiar with this thing that you'd become less familiar with,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: and to retrain your brain around these new skills, right,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: even the automaticness of what I was talking about before
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: with horn, the indicator, the light's lib lot, low beam,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: high beam, break clutch, you know, front break, back break, Like,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're using this new language with
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: your body, this new language, these new skills, and for
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: you to get from A to B, you need to
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: become very good at this language of riding this thing
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: and interacting and becoming one with this thing. So the
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: biology and the technology kind of merged, the technology of
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: the motorbike and the biology of the human. And it
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: sounds bullshit, but you watch someone who's great. It's just
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: one unit moving, it's not some blob sitting awkwardly on
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: top of this missile. It's like this fucking I don't know.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: It's this synthesis of technology and biology and performance. And
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: if you ride, you get that. You know, when you
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: first get back on a bike, you're the blob. Yes,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: you're the awkward blob. Yes.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: And there were days when I would get on it
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: and feel it, one with.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: It and be like, awesome, we're there.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: And then another day where I'd get on and I'll
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: be a bit clunky and a bit rusty on the
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, what is going on?
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: And the moment I felt like that, I was very overthinking.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: I was trying to control it, like controlling the punch
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: in a boxing ring.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's so important as we get older
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: that we consciously and I know I say this a lot,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: but I think people don't really get it. Like I
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: need to be careful what I say here now. But
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time with my mum and
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: dad lately, and you know, obviously they're in their mid
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: eighties and obviously there's going to be cognitive decline, and
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I get all of that, but you know, I went
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: out to dinner with them on Sunday night and there
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: was this old dude there and he's eighty six or
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: eighty seven, like fucking hell, his brain was like a
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: sharp fifty year old And I was talking to him
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: and he still works, like he has a farm and
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: he's still And I'm not saying we should all be
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: working mid eighties, but the point is not that he works.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: The point is that he's constantly using his brain. He's
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: constantly solving problems. He's constantly having to do things, make decisions,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: manage things, coordinate things, create plans, make hard decisions, take action,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: create outcomes, adapt and adjust. And because he's you know,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I'm sure part of its biology, but for sure part
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: of its lifestyle and behavior. And then I look at
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: people with respect who basically just hang up the gloves,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: you know, at a certain age, and really don't do
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: consciously do anything to keep their brain firing. They just
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: kind of metaphorically or perhaps literally, just retire to the couch.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: And no, we don't need to all work until we're
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: eighty five, and we don't need to be you know,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: curing cancer and joining the space program. But to realize that,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: just like you need to walk and move and try
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: to retain some physical strength, you've got to use your
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: fucking brain because if you don't, it's going to fall apart,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: you know. So I think that lifelong learning is such
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: a crucial component but overall health.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was training Mark the other day, and one
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: of my favorite things about that is like he comes
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: in at sixty six years old, often mentioning that he's
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: sixty six years old with shittyknes that don't work and
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: can't this and can't that. And one of our recent conversations,
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: he was like, you know, one is just managing his emotions.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: It's like he manages his emotions differently. He goes like,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: I'm angry.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: A need more. I deal with emotions differently.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: And also the way he can walk out on stage
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: when he has nerves. He goes like, the way I
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: manage nerves and manage going on stage has transformed. And
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: he looks around him at people in around his age group,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: and he sees the decline.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: And now he's not bound by that.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: M It's great.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: It's the best, I mean.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: And also we're talking about Mark Seymour, everyone from Hunters
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: and Collectors, who now is doing his own solo thing
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: and just an album called The Boxer out now. But yeah,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's he does not move like a guy
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: whose next big birthday is seventy.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sixty eight, settled down, No next big day.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: That big birthday, Yes, sixty seven now, isn't he yeah
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: sixty eight? Yeah, And he moves like a forty five
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: year old. Forty year old, and I mean a good
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: forty forty five like on stage and his energy and
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: also you know how when some singers get old, their
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: voice gets shit is gotten better? Voice is the same
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: or better better?
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's been good. I've learned a lot. I've
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: learned a.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Lot me too. You must have ticked the box on
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: my learning style.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I do my very best. Well, I hope
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: you get better. You've been a little bit shit, you've
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: been a bit crooked, but you did rock up. You
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: didn't wing or siok once, So fucking.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Win out.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: We'll hanging out with me. It's therapeutic, isn't it?
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: True story?
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Let's be honest. Yeah. I mean, I'm like a big
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: fucking pill.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: With it here.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: I am just taking my medicine, rocking up and taking
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: my medicine.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Have you noticed how short my hair is? I just
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: got back from Danny the barber.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, well done, Danny looking sharp, harps.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Danny the barber speak. I'm going to lead with this,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Danny the speaking of intelligence. Like this dude. You know
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: those people that you just want to be around. Yeah,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: this guy like his I mean, obviously it's his own business,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: so and he does great and hiss, but his social, emotional,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: situational intelligence, it's off the scale. When I go in,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: it's like he's just met his best friend that he
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: hasn't seen for twenty years. His energy is crazy. And
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: this sounds weird, but even when he puts his hands
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: on you, like when he will touch his shoulder or
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: he'll touch your neck because he's shaving this or cutting
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: that or trimming that. It's just funny. It's one of
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: those people. I like being around him and every time,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: and he doesn't do this for every time I go in.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: I overpay him every time. And even though I overpay
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: by quite a lot, every time, I feel like I'm
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: getting the better deal. And it's like I'm only going
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: there forty percent for the haircut, Yeah, it's sixty percent
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: for the experience. Yeah, And that dude he is there's
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: a kind of intelligence that he has that you cannot.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Teach one hundred percent. That's a kid.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: That's a good point to make to anyone that's running
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: their own business or thing.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Whether or not you're a personal trainer or a barber,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: or an accountants or a fucking podcaster. Yeah, if you
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: can be the person that people love to be around
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: because of your energy and your mindset, you know, it's
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: it's contagious.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: There are some people I love being around. He's one
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: I often walk past because it's one hundred meters away.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I just go in and give him a hug. We
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: fucking hug each other. I go, hey, y'a mate, He's
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: like good, and then I walk out. He goes, love you.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I gotta love you, mate.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: I just keep walking And do you go and buy
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: hair growth supplements.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: So that you can get more haircuts so your hair
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: growth faster.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: I tell you what I do do when I'm getting
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: what I do do when I'm getting a coffee. I
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: often walk up there and ask him if he wants one, Oh, yeah,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: because I want. You know, he's cutting head like a motherfucker,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: and he's you know, sometimes he's probably on his feet
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: doing that. Like I often go past there's three people waiting.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: I'm like, when does this guy have a wheel, or
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: a pool or a sandwich. I can't imagine that. Oh
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: sorry everyone, I'm just going to go have a shit.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: I'll be back in six minutes. I didn't think about that.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: That's something for everyone to think about as we close
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: out another episode of The Youth Project. Thanks Tim, Thanks
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: helps Boom