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- 0:00Speaker 1: I am all in.
- 0:08Speaker 2: I am all in with Scott Patterson and iHeart Radio podcast.
- 0:20Speaker 1: Everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast I Heart
- 0:23Speaker 1: Radio one O Lemon Production, Season five, Episode fourteen, Say Something?
- 0:27Speaker 1: What an episode? I am joined by my intrepid crew,
- 0:30Speaker 1: Tarus Food, Daniel Romo, and Santa Monica and Amy Sugarman
- 0:36Speaker 1: representing Lake Tahoe. Ladies welcome, say something, don't speak.
- 0:48Speaker 3: I just want to know how y'all feel about that episode.
- 0:51Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it was a home run.
- 0:54Speaker 1: I think it was I agree big, I agree big
- 0:56Speaker 1: home run.
- 0:57Speaker 3: Raise your hand if you cried?
- 1:00Speaker 1: What did I get a little for clemped?
- 1:03Speaker 3: Did you?
- 1:04Speaker 1: Who got for clemped?
- 1:05Speaker 4: Why did I not think it was emotional? In the slightest?
- 1:08Speaker 3: What really talking about?
- 1:10Speaker 1: I thought Lauren gave a knockout performance in this agree
- 1:15Speaker 1: she did some very very detailed, very difficult work.
- 1:18Speaker 4: I'm just very much on Luke's page. So for me,
- 1:22Speaker 4: it's like, sorry, girlfriend, I don't know what to tell you.
- 1:25Speaker 3: You messed it up?
- 1:26Speaker 1: She did? I agree with you there, she messed it up.
- 1:31Speaker 4: I don't feel sad about it.
- 1:33Speaker 3: What I feel devastated about it?
- 1:36Speaker 4: For me, I'm kind of like, you go, Luke. You
- 1:38Speaker 4: you stand your ground and you do your thing, because
- 1:41Speaker 4: what happened, like you didn't deserve any of that.
- 1:44Speaker 1: It Luke's the one that got Ama got wounded deepest,
- 1:48Speaker 1: don't you think. I mean, imagine being him in that
- 1:50Speaker 1: scenario when he hears all those horrible things coming out
- 1:53Speaker 1: of Christopher's mouth at a certain point, It's like it
- 1:58Speaker 1: was like this perfect storm of bad for Luke sitting here,
- 2:01Speaker 1: sitting there hearing that and what these people really think
- 2:05Speaker 1: of him. I mean, he must have felt so low
- 2:08Speaker 1: and so used and so abused that it was and he's.
- 2:12Speaker 4: Been waiting forever for this. That's the worst part too,
- 2:15Speaker 4: Like he has been in her corner since the beginning
- 2:18Speaker 4: of time and has been waiting for this moment he
- 2:21Speaker 4: finally gets his shot at being in a relationship with Lorlai,
- 2:25Speaker 4: and there's all these external forces making it not happen.
- 2:29Speaker 4: You know, it's just like including Lorelai, like she's you know,
- 2:33Speaker 4: throwing fuel on the fire too.
- 2:36Speaker 3: So here's my question for you guys. And I know
- 2:40Speaker 3: this is going to be like unpopular opinion that everyone
- 2:43Speaker 3: like attacks me of the crimes that were committed. Do
- 2:49Speaker 3: we agree hers was the least?
- 2:53Speaker 4: Yes? Sure?
- 2:55Speaker 1: No, why do is? Why is hers the least?
- 2:59Speaker 3: Because hey, what Christopher did was horrific. What Emily did
- 3:05Speaker 3: was exponentially horrific. Lorala I omitted, we can say omitted lied.
- 3:14Speaker 3: She didn't essentially though, to protect Luke's feelings. It was wrong.
- 3:20Speaker 1: No, No, I mean I did it to avoid the
- 3:24Speaker 1: drama for herself.
- 3:28Speaker 4: She literally did it for herself.
- 3:31Speaker 1: Okay, So let me ask you guys that your opinion
- 3:34Speaker 1: is she is her heart a little bit with Christopher.
- 3:38Speaker 1: I know that night she sort of ended it and
- 3:39Speaker 1: get away from me and all. But before that even happened, Yes,
- 3:42Speaker 1: before Emily you know scheme right, And that's and that's
- 3:46Speaker 1: what I think hit Luke in the face the hardest. Yes,
- 3:49Speaker 1: it's like your heart, your heart, there's a part of
- 3:52Speaker 1: you that is always going to be with him.
- 3:55Speaker 5: Well, even in the episode, Laura I said that I'll
- 3:58Speaker 5: never speak to him again, and Luke is like that
- 4:00Speaker 5: it's not possible, Like it's it's your daughter's father.
- 4:04Speaker 1: You know.
- 4:05Speaker 3: Luke is very clear headed about the situation. He's very clear,
- 4:12Speaker 3: like you can't forget about him completely, and he's very
- 4:18Speaker 3: almost unemotional, where I sort of wish he'd let his
- 4:21Speaker 3: love for her come up a little bit, because I
- 4:25Speaker 3: do think they could have worked it out in the moment.
- 4:28Speaker 3: I actually think they could have worked it out when
- 4:30Speaker 3: he was at the house. But we'll get to that.
- 4:32Speaker 3: He's being very pragmagical. Logical's right word. Yeah, I mean, Scott,
- 4:40Speaker 3: are you with Luke or do you? Were you screaming
- 4:43Speaker 3: like Luke? Just take her back, accept her apology. I
- 4:49Speaker 3: want to know where you felt.
- 4:50Speaker 1: I've been in that situation. That's how you react. That's
- 4:56Speaker 1: it's overwhelming to be in that situation and have all
- 5:00Speaker 1: that information hit you in the face like that, and
- 5:02Speaker 1: it's it feels so I mean, if you have any
- 5:08Speaker 1: kind of issues where you know, I don't know, Well,
- 5:13Speaker 1: I don't want to get to psychological.
- 5:16Speaker 3: There, but no do.
- 5:18Speaker 1: He felt completely erased. He felt insignificant and small, and
- 5:23Speaker 1: he didn't even guarder enough respect from Laura Lei to
- 5:27Speaker 1: clue him in on what she did with Christopher that
- 5:29Speaker 1: night and to make you know, just just to you know,
- 5:33Speaker 1: just to I mean, she she made it into something
- 5:37Speaker 1: it didn't need to be. Yeah, and it was her fault,
- 5:40Speaker 1: her back that's it.
- 5:41Speaker 4: And the worst part is that she also said that she,
- 5:45Speaker 4: if I'm recalling this correctly, that she would she was
- 5:48Speaker 4: only telling him because Christopher was there, right, you know
- 5:51Speaker 4: what I mean? So like that was also a part
- 5:54Speaker 4: that's like, oh, so you weren't going to tell him anyways.
- 5:57Speaker 1: That's why it's almost like somebody trying to make a
- 5:59Speaker 1: pack with you. Somebody's so desperate, like, hey, you know,
- 6:03Speaker 1: i'm your friend and I'm cashing in all my chips here,
- 6:05Speaker 1: but can you save my ass in this situation with you? Yeah?
- 6:08Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's just so bad.
- 6:10Speaker 1: It's such a bad look.
- 6:11Speaker 3: The problem for Lorla is that she did it twice.
- 6:15Speaker 3: That's really my problem is, like because I really can
- 6:19Speaker 3: fight for her, and I actually can defend it, and
- 6:22Speaker 3: a lot of stuff was Christopher and Emily and not
- 6:24Speaker 3: her and circumstantial, like, but she did it twice. She
- 6:30Speaker 3: did it with the lunch, which she then told him,
- 6:34Speaker 3: and he really took it well and it hurt him,
- 6:37Speaker 3: but he kind of rose above and then she's done
- 6:40Speaker 3: it again. It's like she didn't learn anything from the
- 6:43Speaker 3: first time that she hurt him.
- 6:45Speaker 4: Here's a question, do you think that it would have
- 6:48Speaker 4: been as bad all the Christopher stuff that happened in
- 6:51Speaker 4: the last episode. If Lorala had told Luke about this,
- 6:55Speaker 4: about their hangout in it the day that she was hungover,
- 6:59Speaker 4: I know.
- 7:00Speaker 5: It would be a completely different situation.
- 7:02Speaker 4: I think it would be a different situation too. And
- 7:05Speaker 4: so you know, like in that moment when Christopher went
- 7:07Speaker 4: on his like what Emily blah blah blah, I think
- 7:10Speaker 4: Luke would have been a little bit more like, well,
- 7:13Speaker 4: at least my girl is on my set, that's right,
- 7:16Speaker 4: you know, I totally agree with you.
- 7:18Speaker 3: I think it would have been Luke and Loreli against
- 7:21Speaker 3: the world at that point, but they would have been,
- 7:25Speaker 3: you know, locked arms, they would have been against Emily,
- 7:29Speaker 3: And maybe Luke would have felt differently about when Laura
- 7:32Speaker 3: Li said I'm just gonna have nothing to do with them.
- 7:35Speaker 3: Luke maybe would have said, all right, let's we're going
- 7:38Speaker 3: to be in it together and we'll figure this out together.
- 7:41Speaker 1: But I think Luke and I think that's what a
- 7:43Speaker 1: lot of guys tend to do when they meet people
- 7:49Speaker 1: and they don't have a tremendous amount offer coming from
- 7:52Speaker 1: their side in terms of family and cousins and friends
- 7:55Speaker 1: and all that they try to pull the woman into
- 7:58Speaker 1: their world and like, walk away from your world. Let's
- 8:02Speaker 1: create our own world and we'll be safe inside of
- 8:05Speaker 1: our little bubble. I don't And Luke didn't do that.
- 8:10Speaker 1: He accommodated her at every turn. He was willing to
- 8:15Speaker 1: show up here and there, even though he didn't want
- 8:17Speaker 1: to show up at Emily's house or whatever for whatever function.
- 8:20Speaker 1: Here and there, he took all the slings and arrows right,
- 8:24Speaker 1: all the insults coming from Richard and all the dismissive stuff.
- 8:28Speaker 1: And oh, Luke, I didn't even see you there. I mean,
- 8:31Speaker 1: you just want to smack somebody at that point. I mean, really,
- 8:34Speaker 1: this is this is how you're going to talk to
- 8:35Speaker 1: this guy. And and it's just so odd that she's
- 8:40Speaker 1: so militantly against her mother. And we're done, and then
- 8:49Speaker 1: you know Christopher and she and her heart is still
- 8:52Speaker 1: with Christopher. I understands, you know, the father of their
- 8:56Speaker 1: child and all that, but you know, the guy, I think,
- 8:59Speaker 1: over a sixteen year period, is demonstrated that he's just
- 9:02Speaker 1: not up for the job.
- 9:05Speaker 3: I think like her brain knows he's a mess and
- 9:08Speaker 3: bad and this was bad, but it's like her heart
- 9:11Speaker 3: is connected to him she can't help it. That being said,
- 9:16Speaker 3: I think her heart is much more with Luke. Obviously
- 9:19Speaker 3: the pain she's in I could feel it through this episode.
- 9:22Speaker 1: But it's got to be trust or else what do
- 9:25Speaker 1: you have?
- 9:26Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you.
- 9:27Speaker 1: One hundred percent. In your heart, it's going to be.
- 9:30Speaker 1: There can't be any doubt, you know. And it's just like,
- 9:33Speaker 1: and especially something that intense coming from him, he's waited
- 9:36Speaker 1: that long and he's right. He's this particular guy and
- 9:39Speaker 1: loves her to the ends of the earth and was
- 9:41Speaker 1: always a great loyal friend and now he's even a
- 9:44Speaker 1: better man with her went now that yeare together, and
- 9:47Speaker 1: it's just all great. And he's just he's an all
- 9:50Speaker 1: in guy. He's like an all or nothing guy.
- 9:52Speaker 3: It's yes, it's almost like she's saying, I'm all in.
- 9:55Speaker 1: It's recipation.
- 9:57Speaker 3: Yeah, she's saying it in desperation, but I'm all in.
- 9:59Speaker 3: I'm all in. Like, but it's like, if you were
- 10:01Speaker 3: all in, then this never would have happened.
- 10:04Speaker 1: Yeah, right, what's your code? You have no code?
- 10:08Speaker 3: Yeah, So so here's my question. And I know we
- 10:10Speaker 3: need to go through it in order. But the thing
- 10:12Speaker 3: that was so telling for me or relatable was Luke's
- 10:18Speaker 3: way of dealing with it. I need space, I turned,
- 10:20Speaker 3: he turned his phone off, he went to the movie.
- 10:22Speaker 3: He needs time, and she is just like I would be.
- 10:27Speaker 3: We need to talk about it now. Can we please
- 10:29Speaker 3: talk about it now? I need to fix this. I
- 10:30Speaker 3: need to fix this up. Like if we just talk
- 10:32Speaker 3: about it, if you just listen to me, I can
- 10:33Speaker 3: fix this. I can fix this. Just the desperation and
- 10:35Speaker 3: the message she left was just like hashtag relatable.
- 10:41Speaker 4: Yeah. I felt like I was watching me and my husband,
- 10:44Speaker 4: like I thought I was watching my own relationship on TV.
- 10:47Speaker 1: I was like, oh God, who's who?
- 10:51Speaker 4: Oh I'm more that's.
- 10:53Speaker 3: Let's talk about it.
- 10:54Speaker 4: I'm here to talk about it all day long. And
- 10:56Speaker 4: my husband's like I need I need to be away
- 10:59Speaker 4: from you for it least an hour.
- 11:02Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it was so relatable. And I don't
- 11:05Speaker 3: know if that's because Amy and Dan just can write
- 11:08Speaker 3: men and women so well or what wait, speaking of
- 11:13Speaker 3: we just saw a note that we haven't even done
- 11:15Speaker 3: this anop.
- 11:15Speaker 1: System, you know what? I think Amy and Dan wrote
- 11:18Speaker 1: their own relationship. Yeah, because I think the relationship, or
- 11:22Speaker 1: a large percent of relationships go through this is she Lauralish.
- 11:28Speaker 1: I think she's Parish.
- 11:34Speaker 3: I don't expect that.
- 11:35Speaker 1: I don't either, And I think I think I think
- 11:38Speaker 1: Dan is a Kirk Doyle.
- 11:45Speaker 3: Really, so you see more similarities in that relationship than
- 11:49Speaker 3: Luke and Lauraai.
- 11:50Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what it is.
- 11:52Speaker 4: Oh wow, no way, that's cool.
- 11:55Speaker 3: That's pretty cool.
- 11:57Speaker 4: Yeah. I like that.
- 11:58Speaker 3: That makes that spinoff idea you had of them even
- 12:01Speaker 3: more interesting. Wow. Okay, we twenty minutes in. We better
- 12:07Speaker 3: read the synopsis.
- 12:10Speaker 4: All right? This is season five, episode fourteen, Say Something,
- 12:14Speaker 4: Air date February fifteenth, two thousand and five. After all
- 12:17Speaker 4: the drama at the wedding, Loralai tries to find Luke
- 12:20Speaker 4: to apologize, but he needs time to process what happened.
- 12:24Speaker 4: After Loralai keeps pushing him, he finally decides her family
- 12:28Speaker 4: and history maybe too much for him.
- 12:31Speaker 3: She takes to.
- 12:32Speaker 4: Her bed to wallow, where Rory tends to her needs
- 12:36Speaker 4: and the town takes sides.
- 12:38Speaker 3: Oh so, two quick notes. I want to see what
- 12:41Speaker 3: you guys think. Number One, Normally those last week on
- 12:44Speaker 3: Gilmore Girls or previously on Gilbirls are kind of like whatever,
- 12:48Speaker 3: But this one I was like ten out of ten.
- 12:50Speaker 4: The Reah was well, I feel like because they kind
- 12:54Speaker 4: of showed, you know, like right, like, they show what
- 13:00Speaker 4: happened that led into this episode.
- 13:02Speaker 3: They picked the perfect moments.
- 13:04Speaker 4: Yeah, it was They kind of did this in the
- 13:05Speaker 4: beginning of the season with.
- 13:09Speaker 3: The story stuff.
- 13:10Speaker 4: Yeah, Dean, you know, like it was like a kind
- 13:13Speaker 4: of a redo of that. I liked it a lot.
- 13:16Speaker 3: And the thing that I loved the most is that
- 13:18Speaker 3: the episode began exactly to the moment where the one
- 13:24Speaker 3: before had ended. I mean literally they just turned the
- 13:28Speaker 3: camera and that was obviously. I want to know, did
- 13:32Speaker 3: you film it all as one? But I don't know, Scott,
- 13:35Speaker 3: I don't know if you can remember, but it's.
- 13:37Speaker 1: Like film at all as one?
- 13:39Speaker 3: Like did you film the beginning of this episode when
- 13:44Speaker 3: you filmed the end of the last one?
- 13:46Speaker 1: Oh? Sure? Yeah, you don't want to go back to
- 13:49Speaker 1: that location and spend all that money and exactly rent
- 13:52Speaker 1: out the same location and just do it while you're there? Yeah?
- 13:55Speaker 3: Yeah. I just thought that was amazing, Like, so that
- 13:58Speaker 3: to me was great. And then obviously we've got to
- 14:02Speaker 3: spend most of our time talking about Lucan Laurlai. But
- 14:04Speaker 3: I really thought Rory and Logan were really cute in
- 14:09Speaker 3: this episode, which we'll get into. And I loved that
- 14:12Speaker 3: Laura I and Rory had that moment, even despite all
- 14:15Speaker 3: her despair, for her to say, it's all okay, like
- 14:20Speaker 3: you didn't do anything. We're good, Logan, go find him.
- 14:26Speaker 3: It's all like you've got nothing to worry about.
- 14:29Speaker 1: It's really hard to be mad at Laura I. I mean,
- 14:33Speaker 1: she's just it's she's trying to do the right thing
- 14:36Speaker 1: all the way around, and she's just getting churned up
- 14:38Speaker 1: and gosh, man, I mean she's she's anyway. Yeah, so
- 14:44Speaker 1: let's let's stay on the topic. But I just it's
- 14:47Speaker 1: just interesting how she's she's got so many irons in
- 14:50Speaker 1: the fire emotionally all over the place.
- 14:53Speaker 3: Yeah, she got five of them right now.
- 14:56Speaker 1: I mean she's taken on a lot, and but she
- 14:59Speaker 1: has the capacity for it. And I just, yeah, she
- 15:01Speaker 1: mishandles one thing and it all blows up, and I
- 15:04Speaker 1: kind of feel bad for now.
- 15:06Speaker 3: Oh I'm heartbroken for the One thing I noticed on
- 15:09Speaker 3: the fan comments is they always think we'd take it
- 15:11Speaker 3: too easy on Rory, like we always are like, oh, Rory,
- 15:16Speaker 3: it's fine that she was making out with the boy
- 15:18Speaker 3: at her parents.
- 15:19Speaker 2: She's in college.
- 15:21Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like we didn't.
- 15:23Speaker 3: But I half.
- 15:24Speaker 4: And half yeah, yeah.
- 15:26Speaker 3: I mean. The other thing that shocked me in the
- 15:30Speaker 3: comments is the amount of people who did not like
- 15:34Speaker 3: that dress that Laura I was wearing. Oh I was
- 15:36Speaker 3: like ten out of ten. Oh my god. People hated it.
- 15:39Speaker 3: They said it looked cheap. They didn't like the sequin thing.
- 15:42Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I thought it was very Laurai
- 15:45Speaker 4: and also very that moment in time, So you know,
- 15:49Speaker 4: like two thousands.
- 15:50Speaker 1: But for that occasion, is that inappropriate?
- 15:52Speaker 3: You thought it was a little too sassy, kind of
- 15:55Speaker 3: too sparkly.
- 15:56Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't think so I think I do.
- 16:00Speaker 1: What do I know about fashion and what's appropriate to This.
- 16:03Speaker 3: Is the thing after reading I read all the comments
- 16:05Speaker 3: during the week, and then when I watched the episode,
- 16:10Speaker 3: I was happy to see the dress again and say
- 16:12Speaker 3: to myself, I still love this dress, Like this silver
- 16:16Speaker 3: is so cool and she's so so pretty. She's so
- 16:20Speaker 3: tall anyway, that that surprised me. And then it was
- 16:25Speaker 3: just so painful, like there's literally no one there for
- 16:28Speaker 3: her because she's done the right thing by saying to
- 16:30Speaker 3: Rory go find Logan. I'm fine. You know, Luke's bringing
- 16:33Speaker 3: the car around. Oh and then she's flying, asked the guy.
- 16:38Speaker 3: She's just such a love.
- 16:57Speaker 4: Now.
- 16:57Speaker 3: One thing that threw me, did you guys notice when
- 16:59Speaker 3: the cab pulled up all of a sudden the town
- 17:01Speaker 3: was fully decorated in lights. I didn't notice that, Like
- 17:08Speaker 3: when did that happen?
- 17:09Speaker 1: But whatever?
- 17:11Speaker 3: How you guys though, what a moment for Caesar. That
- 17:16Speaker 3: was fun.
- 17:18Speaker 1: For Caesar in the background singing and dancing the.
- 17:23Speaker 3: Biggest moments really in the series.
- 17:26Speaker 1: It was so good. Lenny great that that was like
- 17:34Speaker 1: that balloon moment that looks balloon moment with Rory floating.
- 17:37Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, they do these beautiful yeah, oh god,
- 17:43Speaker 1: that's just wonderful.
- 17:44Speaker 3: And I do think it was very I don't know
- 17:48Speaker 3: if comical is the right word, but very of the
- 17:50Speaker 3: town to the minute they realize why are you dressed up?
- 17:55Speaker 3: And not with Luke, like this is not good and
- 17:59Speaker 3: that's just like uh.
- 18:00Speaker 6: Oh immediately and even Caesar's like, why aren't what's going on?
- 18:07Speaker 1: Like, let's shout out to Aris man.
- 18:10Speaker 3: He killed totally funny, he nailed it.
- 18:14Speaker 1: He nailed He's funny, isn't he.
- 18:16Speaker 4: He's just so good and because they brought it back
- 18:19Speaker 4: to Taylor like they were like, Taylor's going to think everybody.
- 18:25Speaker 3: So I thought that whole part of it was brilliant,
- 18:27Speaker 3: and I actually thought the ribbons were pretty brilliant and
- 18:30Speaker 3: a little comic release and relief in what was just
- 18:33Speaker 3: so heavy. But yeah, I agree Scott, like that was
- 18:37Speaker 3: Caesar's moment because the background acting he had to do
- 18:42Speaker 3: was Yeah. So anyway, so then we bump into Kirk
- 18:49Speaker 3: and it's just like, oh god, it's just all a mess,
- 18:53Speaker 3: like they all know things are not good. So before
- 18:56Speaker 3: we get to that, we see Rory get back to
- 18:58Speaker 3: Yale and wake up pair of which I thought was
- 19:01Speaker 3: hilarious scene. She's all waited to deuce Sherlock bite me like
- 19:11Speaker 3: I love it any messages and then you know she's like,
- 19:14Speaker 3: what boy, are you waiting for a.
- 19:15Speaker 5: Mass Yeah, like it's not her mom right like so,
- 19:21Speaker 5: and then they played Boggle, So.
- 19:24Speaker 3: I don't know, I loved it. I really, Paris is
- 19:27Speaker 3: just growing on me completely.
- 19:29Speaker 4: I agree, She's fun fun to watch it.
- 19:32Speaker 3: Yeah, So then we see Kirk just sweaty and what
- 19:36Speaker 3: what game is he doing?
- 19:41Speaker 4: Of course that that game does make you sweaty.
- 19:46Speaker 5: I used to have the one at home, like you know,
- 19:48Speaker 5: like the math, and that's a workout.
- 19:54Speaker 3: And the whole thing, because obviously Luke is doing the
- 19:56Speaker 3: same thing. Olura is not feeling well and then she's like, oh,
- 19:59Speaker 3: I had a sniffles, but it went away, and I'm
- 20:00Speaker 3: trying to find it's just the whole to do. And
- 20:04Speaker 3: then they go into the movie theater, which was normally crowded,
- 20:10Speaker 3: but somehow, first of all, every time I say Luke
- 20:14Speaker 3: ten people, it's crowded. Every time my brain wants to
- 20:17Speaker 3: say Luke. In this conversation we're having, I want to
- 20:19Speaker 3: say Scott. I don't know why in this particular episode, Scott,
- 20:23Speaker 3: you're so blurred to me with Luke more than anything
- 20:26Speaker 3: in this one. I'm like, oh my god, I'm very confused.
- 20:29Speaker 3: So if I say Scott, just forgive me. But I
- 20:35Speaker 3: don't know it's Scott. Like if you were going through that,
- 20:37Speaker 3: would you go and go to a movie alone? Like,
- 20:39Speaker 3: how would you guys deal with this situation?
- 20:45Speaker 1: Well? How many other places are there to go at
- 20:47Speaker 1: night in that town? Anyway?
- 20:48Speaker 3: True?
- 20:49Speaker 1: To get away from his diner, Like his diner's probably
- 20:51Speaker 1: the place to go but they shut down. What does
- 20:54Speaker 1: he shut down at nine?
- 20:56Speaker 3: It's not late to me too. It feels like it's
- 20:59Speaker 3: a ten o'clock, eleven o'clock at.
- 21:01Speaker 1: Yeah, So he's just you know, it was his one
- 21:03Speaker 1: choice to just sort of be by himself.
- 21:06Speaker 4: And a movie is a good a good idea because
- 21:10Speaker 4: you have to put your phone away, you know, you're
- 21:12Speaker 4: just like escape my phone, the escape into a film.
- 21:17Speaker 3: Did anyone want him to forgive her as much as
- 21:20Speaker 3: I did?
- 21:21Speaker 5: I think I think I did agree, like he needs time,
- 21:24Speaker 5: like maybe forgive her down the line, but not in
- 21:26Speaker 5: this moment. Like I think that he needed me that time,
- 21:30Speaker 5: and who knows if he would forgive her forgive her
- 21:34Speaker 5: down the line, but I think in this moment, no.
- 21:36Speaker 3: I just feel like the punishment is way worse than
- 21:39Speaker 3: the crime here, I get it.
- 21:40Speaker 4: I just I need Lorli to realize, like she can't
- 21:44Speaker 4: keep doing this stuff, you know. So for me, it's
- 21:47Speaker 4: kind of like, no, I want Luke to like have
- 21:50Speaker 4: his moment right now and like show her that he
- 21:56Speaker 4: deserves the respect and he deserves the right treatment and
- 22:01Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. And I'm like, so for me,
- 22:04Speaker 4: I'm like, I mean, I hope down the road they
- 22:08Speaker 4: work it out, but like right now I'm like totally
- 22:11Speaker 4: okay with them not being in Yeah.
- 22:15Speaker 1: I think that the the incident, the quote unquote lie,
- 22:20Speaker 1: the big lie, you know, that's that's life changing, that's
- 22:24Speaker 1: earth shattering to her relationship and I And this to
- 22:28Speaker 1: me feels like it's a big moment for both of
- 22:32Speaker 1: them and he does need to process it and time
- 22:36Speaker 1: does need to go by. I'm not talking weeks, I'm
- 22:38Speaker 1: talking months. Oh oh no, because it's like he needs
- 22:45Speaker 1: to really assess what if he can ever trust her again.
- 22:52Speaker 1: It just it just hits every sour note in his soul,
- 22:56Speaker 1: every fear was preyed upon, was realized in a relationship.
- 23:03Speaker 1: It's like there's another guy involved. There's this this evil
- 23:06Speaker 1: mother who's putting the the wimpy x you know, up
- 23:12Speaker 1: to doing damage, and it's like he can't. It's like
- 23:15Speaker 1: what am I? What am I doing here? What is?
- 23:18Speaker 1: What is I don't have a chance in this family.
- 23:21Speaker 1: There's there's a chance for me. And he gave his
- 23:24Speaker 1: best for so many years. He just keeps giving his best.
- 23:27Speaker 1: He's doing the best he can, being the assault of
- 23:30Speaker 1: the earth guy, always reliable, always and and then this happens,
- 23:38Speaker 1: and like you said, again, so it's a pattern.
- 23:40Speaker 3: Now I just have so much compassion, probably because I
- 23:44Speaker 3: just can relate to her so much as she is
- 23:48Speaker 3: just an excruciating pain and she wants to fix it
- 23:51Speaker 3: so bad. Absolutely wanted him to go all right, like
- 23:55Speaker 3: and hug her and kiss her and be like we're fine.
- 23:58Speaker 3: Just let's let's not lie to each other ever again,
- 24:02Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
- 24:02Speaker 4: It's like he did it last time, you know what
- 24:04Speaker 4: I mean. And it's just like it's one of those
- 24:06Speaker 4: things that this relationship is not just a Maxi Medina
- 24:09Speaker 4: that she met at the at the school because it's
- 24:12Speaker 4: Rory's teacher, you know, Like this is actually someone that
- 24:15Speaker 4: has been in her life for a really long time.
- 24:17Speaker 4: So if they're going to be taking a stab at
- 24:20Speaker 4: this relationship, like to Taylor's credit, it has to work,
- 24:25Speaker 4: you know, like it does and if it doesn't, then
- 24:28Speaker 4: he's got to remove himself from that situation.
- 24:30Speaker 1: Do you think that there's a part of Laurel I
- 24:32Speaker 1: that feels like she can sort of compartmentalize her feelings
- 24:39Speaker 1: towards Luke, Like here's friendship Luke before the relationship here's
- 24:44Speaker 1: romantic Luke and you know, and it's it's like, do
- 24:47Speaker 1: you think maybe she got confused in this moment, And
- 24:50Speaker 1: it's like I can rely on friendship Luke not to
- 24:53Speaker 1: care and just support me one hundred percent and be
- 24:57Speaker 1: used to that. And now that the rules of change,
- 24:59Speaker 1: the rule have changed, maybe she's not acknowledging that the
- 25:02Speaker 1: rules have changed because she's so fond of both Luke's
- 25:06Speaker 1: and this is obviously a new, fresh relationship, but she's
- 25:09Speaker 1: been bonded with him as a friend.
- 25:13Speaker 3: I didn't think of that, But that's a very interesting
- 25:15Speaker 3: sort of angle there, that like, because this would have
- 25:19Speaker 3: been really no big whoop if they were just friends.
- 25:23Speaker 3: The other thing I think about.
- 25:24Speaker 1: Would have been supportive and like stupid. You know.
- 25:28Speaker 3: Loralai is sort of the bell of the ball, right,
- 25:31Speaker 3: the queen of the town. Like she's sort of the ship, right,
- 25:36Speaker 3: So I think sometimes she thinks she can get herself
- 25:41Speaker 3: out of any mess, almost like I can't think of
- 25:44Speaker 3: a good analogy. For some reason, Lucy came to mind,
- 25:49Speaker 3: everything will be okay, is causing shenanigans, but in the
- 25:52Speaker 3: end she can.
- 25:53Speaker 1: Because she's so lovable, she's so fabulous and so glittera right.
- 25:58Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think this was a real life slap
- 26:02Speaker 3: in the face or sort of awakening for her to realize, like,
- 26:06Speaker 3: I can't just behave however I want to behave. I
- 26:11Speaker 3: can't just go get drunk with Christopher and think it
- 26:14Speaker 3: won't have ramifications. Yeah, she's a little bit of a
- 26:17Speaker 3: sixteen year old I was just about thirty five year
- 26:21Speaker 3: old body.
- 26:22Speaker 5: It's kind of like she's where Rory. I mean, I
- 26:25Speaker 5: feel like if Rory did this, we wouldn't be as
- 26:27Speaker 5: hard on her. I mean, yes we would, because she's
- 26:30Speaker 5: old enough. But this is Laura I were talking about.
- 26:34Speaker 1: I think if this relationship were to have a second chance, right,
- 26:40Speaker 1: if there was a reconciliation, I think too, they would
- 26:44Speaker 1: have to sit down and really map out what's acceptable
- 26:48Speaker 1: and what isn't in terms of Christopher, in terms of
- 26:51Speaker 1: the family, I mean, really define it, you know, and
- 26:54Speaker 1: have you know, not necessarily rules, But this is but expectations,
- 27:00Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because I want to see
- 27:02Speaker 1: them get back together. Obviously they feel very deeply for
- 27:05Speaker 1: each other. They're really great together, and justifiably she's feeling
- 27:11Speaker 1: all of this angst and she should came, but I
- 27:15Speaker 1: think they need to map it out.
- 27:17Speaker 3: Is there any okay? I have so many questions for
- 27:19Speaker 3: you guys. Number one, it's almost like Lorla has never
- 27:23Speaker 3: had to be accountable, if that's the right word to anyone.
- 27:28Speaker 3: Like she always was sort of at odds with her
- 27:32Speaker 3: parents and then she's been on her own since sixteen
- 27:35Speaker 3: and the only person she really was accountable to was Rory,
- 27:39Speaker 3: who she was taking care of, right, But she's never
- 27:42Speaker 3: had to really yeah, Suki in a sense, but like
- 27:45Speaker 3: even that relationship has troubles with like being fully transparent
- 27:50Speaker 3: with each other, which we think about, like the arguments
- 27:53Speaker 3: they had running the inn. It's like she's never had
- 27:56Speaker 3: to know what it's like to treat someone with so
- 28:00Speaker 3: much respect or put someone else above her, Like, am
- 28:05Speaker 3: I crazy? Or am I sort of like.
- 28:07Speaker 5: I understand what you're saying.
- 28:08Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes sense to me. Yeah, so she is
- 28:11Speaker 4: adjusting to that.
- 28:13Speaker 3: So the other question I wanted to ask you guys,
- 28:15Speaker 3: say that the crime, because I still think the punishment
- 28:18Speaker 3: is a little worse than the crime, But say the
- 28:19Speaker 3: crime is only that she never told Luke about the
- 28:23Speaker 3: drunken night with Christopher and that she sprung it on
- 28:27Speaker 3: and at the wedding, right, Pretend the rest of the
- 28:30Speaker 3: bleep didn't hit the fan, meaning Rory never got caught
- 28:34Speaker 3: like making out with Logan, Christopher never ran in, Christopher
- 28:38Speaker 3: never spewed all that crap, And pretend Emily never did
- 28:42Speaker 3: what she did. Right, Pretend none of that happened. Do
- 28:46Speaker 3: we think Luke would have still been Eke, this gone
- 28:49Speaker 3: this far? Would you have still broken up with Lorli
- 28:52Speaker 3: over just the line?
- 28:54Speaker 5: But are you saying that the thing before wouldn't have happened,
- 28:56Speaker 5: that the lunch.
- 28:58Speaker 3: The lunch happened, and this has happened, but none of
- 29:02Speaker 3: the extra stuff, not Emily.
- 29:04Speaker 1: I think that Yeah. I think that it would have
- 29:06Speaker 1: been the same outcome. I think Luke would have been
- 29:10Speaker 1: devastated and he would have taken his time and separated
- 29:13Speaker 1: and really processed it, because that's what he does.
- 29:15Speaker 3: I want. The thing is is that he thinks right.
- 29:18Speaker 4: He like not flipped, but he like put on a
- 29:22Speaker 4: brave face and like, you know, acted cool that whole
- 29:27Speaker 4: night up until that very end. I don't think he
- 29:30Speaker 4: would have broken up with her. I think he would
- 29:32Speaker 4: have been like, hey, we need to talk about this
- 29:35Speaker 4: and it cannot happen again.
- 29:37Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I think he.
- 29:38Speaker 4: Would have been strict and stern and very like, you
- 29:42Speaker 4: cannot do this again, you know, I'm annoyed.
- 29:51Speaker 3: Can you all weigh in for Luke? Is he most
- 29:54Speaker 3: upset about the lies or is it all of it
- 29:58Speaker 3: that he's just like, yeah, all of it, it's all bad.
- 30:01Speaker 5: But I think the lie is a big part of
- 30:03Speaker 5: I think the lie is a big part of it though,
- 30:05Speaker 5: But Scott, You're like.
- 30:08Speaker 3: The.
- 30:09Speaker 1: Lie is bad enough. And then he hears Christopher say,
- 30:12Speaker 1: Emily put me up to this and we still have
- 30:15Speaker 1: a chance, and Emily, you know, and Luke's garbage and yeah,
- 30:19Speaker 1: it's like he's not one of us, and it Lukes
- 30:22Speaker 1: just absorbing all this stuff.
- 30:24Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 30:24Speaker 3: I think you're right. I think it all because it's so.
- 30:26Speaker 1: Like anybody in their right mind would hear that and
- 30:30Speaker 1: just say I'm at it.
- 30:32Speaker 3: Yeah, if you had confidence, you would go, I don't
- 30:35Speaker 3: need this.
- 30:36Speaker 1: I'm better than this. Right.
- 30:38Speaker 4: I think that everything that happened that night were valid
- 30:42Speaker 4: fears of Luke's. Like Luke had all those things already
- 30:47Speaker 4: in his mind. Emily doesn't like me. I'm not good
- 30:49Speaker 4: enough for Emily or or Richard she's you know, does
- 30:52Speaker 4: is there anything still with Christopher? Like do I need
- 30:55Speaker 4: to worry about that? Like he had all those thoughts
- 30:58Speaker 4: in his brain already, and that night, literally all those
- 31:01Speaker 4: things slapped him across the face. Yeah, and that's when
- 31:04Speaker 4: he literally was like, you know, these concerns I had
- 31:08Speaker 4: that I was suppressing and trying to say, I'm going
- 31:12Speaker 4: to give this relationship a shot and I trust Laurel, I,
- 31:15Speaker 4: you know, to help me through this all came crumbling down.
- 31:20Speaker 1: I mean, think of it like there, you know, his feeling,
- 31:25Speaker 1: his feelings, his love for her, his devotion for her
- 31:27Speaker 1: is like this sort of thread that is, you know,
- 31:31Speaker 1: a thousand feet in the air, and he keeps walking
- 31:33Speaker 1: out there and he lives on that thread for her,
- 31:36Speaker 1: and he trusts her. Yeah, and her commitment to him
- 31:40Speaker 1: is what in their mutual commitment keeps that thread st strong.
- 31:46Speaker 1: And it just all got pulled out. It just dissolved,
- 31:48Speaker 1: and he fell and he hid his head and he
- 31:52Speaker 1: doesn't want to do it again. It's terrifying.
- 31:55Speaker 3: Yeah, and he already was terrified anyway.
- 31:58Speaker 1: But and he's and he's all we've seen that he's
- 32:00Speaker 1: really good at being alone. Yeah, Yeah, he can handle it.
- 32:04Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, Scott, You're right.
- 32:06Speaker 1: He can handle it, and right he might even prefer that. Yeah,
- 32:12Speaker 1: but he but but he must have really, he must
- 32:15Speaker 1: really love her to go out on that thread with
- 32:18Speaker 1: her and like we can both do this, and I'm
- 32:22Speaker 1: gonna if you go back to your parents' house or
- 32:26Speaker 1: you do this or that, I'm always gonna have We're
- 32:29Speaker 1: always going to be holding hands on this thread. Its
- 32:31Speaker 1: thread's going to be here for you. Don't worry about it.
- 32:34Speaker 1: But then when she you lie like that, Wow, it
- 32:38Speaker 1: goes away there. He has no there's no pathway back
- 32:43Speaker 1: to her now. It doesn't matter how upset she gets.
- 32:46Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, he knows, and he probably feels bad
- 32:50Speaker 1: that she's upset. Obviously showed up over there. Yes he
- 32:54Speaker 1: still cares about her, but as a romantic entanglement.
- 32:57Speaker 3: Oh that I know we're going out of order, but
- 32:59Speaker 3: I have to ask this, did any part of you
- 33:02Speaker 3: want him to just when he went running over there
- 33:05Speaker 3: as friend Luke, which I like how you're sort of
- 33:07Speaker 3: describing that that to me was the moment for her
- 33:11Speaker 3: instead of doing what she did where she's like this
- 33:14Speaker 3: is my lowest low I'm crazy I'll never do it again.
- 33:17Speaker 3: I get it, we can be done. What I wanted
- 33:20Speaker 3: her to say was I made such a mistake, I
- 33:24Speaker 3: will never do it again. I love you, And then
- 33:28Speaker 3: I wanted him to reunite with her in that moment.
- 33:32Speaker 3: I do think it was possible. Yes, you don't know
- 33:35Speaker 3: that differently.
- 33:36Speaker 1: Amy, You're like me. I believe in love. Yeah, I
- 33:39Speaker 1: think believe in the power love. If she had just
- 33:42Speaker 1: expressed herself and opened her heart up, and I mean
- 33:45Speaker 1: he could have seen her completely exposed, completely, yes, and
- 33:50Speaker 1: showing the best part of herself to him, Yes, I
- 33:54Speaker 1: am I think that, and he s would have done
- 33:56Speaker 1: the same. He probably would have responded the same.
- 33:59Speaker 3: I think you're right.
- 34:00Speaker 1: I felt I'll tell you.
- 34:04Speaker 3: I think that he was being very authentically Louke right,
- 34:09Speaker 3: but she was not being authentic to herself. She suddenly
- 34:12Speaker 3: became so embarrassed by her vulnerability that she did that
- 34:18Speaker 3: sort of mass brave loralai thing she does where she's like,
- 34:22Speaker 3: I'll never do it again. I'm humiliated.
- 34:26Speaker 5: She bothers me that she made it about her, because
- 34:31Speaker 5: like I think, at this moment, it's not about her,
- 34:34Speaker 5: It's about and I think that's why like I think
- 34:39Speaker 5: I was. I felt for her because I know she's
- 34:41Speaker 5: in love with Luke, but I felt worse for Luke
- 34:44Speaker 5: because she was like, this is my low. Well, clearly
- 34:48Speaker 5: Luke is feeling low too.
- 34:49Speaker 3: I was disappointed her in the end. I didn't mind
- 34:53Speaker 3: the lora lie that was panicking and chasing him and
- 34:56Speaker 3: saying how long. And I think the grocery store and
- 34:59Speaker 3: the whole thing and the phone message. I related and
- 35:03Speaker 3: support that one. I was disappointed in the way she
- 35:07Speaker 3: acted at the end of this episode, when that was
- 35:10Speaker 3: her moment. He was there. He was showing her, despite
- 35:14Speaker 3: what you did, I still have your back. I came
- 35:16Speaker 3: running over. I broke and he shut up. I showed up.
- 35:20Speaker 3: I think that would she blew it more then than
- 35:23Speaker 3: she did.
- 35:25Speaker 1: She still had shot.
- 35:28Speaker 4: Yeah, he showed her you can, you can give give
- 35:33Speaker 4: us a shot, and he went. He went percent of
- 35:38Speaker 4: the way, you know what I mean.
- 35:41Speaker 3: Yeah, I was pretty dis like that's I know people
- 35:44Speaker 3: get very emotional over this episode, but my emotion is
- 35:47Speaker 3: coming up now because I'm I'm so bummed the way
- 35:52Speaker 3: she acted at the end. It's like, you love this guy,
- 35:55Speaker 3: we get it, we saw your pain. You're in the bed,
- 35:57Speaker 3: you're crying. The not just the performance was amazing, but
- 36:02Speaker 3: I would believed it. I believed her pain. Then why
- 36:05Speaker 3: did you do that? At the end, he came, he
- 36:08Speaker 3: showed you you got a chance.
- 36:11Speaker 4: Well, it's just funny because this whole episode she's like
- 36:13Speaker 4: literally going after him right like, he's saying, I need time,
- 36:16Speaker 4: I need time, and she's like, but let me fix it,
- 36:19Speaker 4: let me do this, let me do that. And then
- 36:20Speaker 4: at the end she's like, I heard you when you
- 36:23Speaker 4: said you were out, and I'm going to respect that.
- 36:26Speaker 3: It's like if she.
- 36:27Speaker 1: If she doesn't know how to fix it and the
- 36:30Speaker 1: fix is obvious, right, Yeah, then is that relationship a
- 36:37Speaker 1: good idea to begin with? Maybe that's you know, you
- 36:40Speaker 1: go through these things with people. They can be very
- 36:43Speaker 1: intense and very passionate, and they can feel like forever,
- 36:47Speaker 1: and then something happens where the rubber hits the road
- 36:51Speaker 1: and the stuff hits the fan and you find out
- 36:55Speaker 1: their character, you know, and one flash of a moment
- 36:59Speaker 1: when and can it just can get all wiped away
- 37:02Speaker 1: so quickly.
- 37:03Speaker 4: And I didn't realize how much that last scene bothered
- 37:06Speaker 4: me until now me too.
- 37:07Speaker 3: I'm rarely disappointed in.
- 37:09Speaker 1: Laura, and she made it about her, yeah, and her
- 37:14Speaker 1: feelings toward him and what.
- 37:17Speaker 5: Yeh, Because like when she was in bed, I felt
- 37:20Speaker 5: bad for her and Rory comes like that part. I
- 37:22Speaker 5: felt for her as like someone who's heartbroken. And as
- 37:24Speaker 5: it went on, I was just like, I don't really
- 37:26Speaker 5: feel as bad for her because there's it's there's two sides, right,
- 37:31Speaker 5: I mean, sorry, there's two people in this relationship and
- 37:33Speaker 5: you need equal sides to be way.
- 37:36Speaker 3: To gather at the end too. That was her moment
- 37:39Speaker 3: to like break down, like cry, be emotional, show him.
- 37:46Speaker 1: Dement.
- 37:47Speaker 4: She was like it was her time to say something,
- 37:50Speaker 4: guys man speak out anything.
- 37:55Speaker 1: That was the moment where she just pours it all out.
- 37:58Speaker 3: And he just picks her up and she's already left
- 38:00Speaker 3: this message. Then I actually didn't find the message that asinine.
- 38:05Speaker 3: Like I was like, you know what, it's not your
- 38:07Speaker 3: finest moment, but the message, but it's very Laurel.
- 38:10Speaker 1: I Why wasn't she Why wasn't she happy when she
- 38:16Speaker 1: saw him?
- 38:16Speaker 3: Oh my god, I would have been ecstatic and just
- 38:20Speaker 3: had maybe.
- 38:21Speaker 1: She just folded the tent and concede defeat and I'm
- 38:25Speaker 1: going to respect you now.
- 38:27Speaker 3: Yes, you came, he came. Luke came to your house
- 38:33Speaker 3: that ending. Really, I was like, it tracks, that's very
- 38:40Speaker 3: Loralai of what she did there at the end. But
- 38:42Speaker 3: I'm like, you blew it now, girl, I'm not. I
- 38:45Speaker 3: wasn't even that mad. I was the one defender of
- 38:47Speaker 3: her lie. I'm like, I'm taking a lot of heat
- 38:55Speaker 3: on Instagram for that, but was upsetting for me for her.
- 39:03Speaker 3: I thought Luke was a ten out of ten. This
- 39:06Speaker 3: guy has just once again proven how awesome he is
- 39:10Speaker 3: and that he's so upset and hurt, but he still
- 39:12Speaker 3: came running.
- 39:13Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I care. That was probably my
- 39:15Speaker 1: best shot to get on the poster, but it still
- 39:17Speaker 1: didn't get me on the poster. And I showed my
- 39:24Speaker 1: heart to the producers. So I'm like, I love you,
- 39:26Speaker 1: I love That's give the poster.
- 39:30Speaker 3: We do need to talk about the dolls.
- 39:32Speaker 1: Want to get your salary.
- 39:34Speaker 3: You were awesome this episode the poster. You were awesome
- 39:43Speaker 3: in this episode. She was brilliant, but so were you.
- 39:47Speaker 3: Like you two are so leveled up in this episode
- 39:50Speaker 3: with like performances.
- 39:52Speaker 1: You know what, thank you because I'll tell you the
- 39:57Speaker 1: scene in Dosies Market I really like that scene. It
- 40:02Speaker 1: was so good. I really liked Luke and he you know,
- 40:06Speaker 1: he underplayed everything and.
- 40:07Speaker 3: Yeah, and she overplayed it just like she needed to.
- 40:11Speaker 1: But it was a god. We were so good together,
- 40:13Speaker 1: weren't we.
- 40:14Speaker 3: Yeah, that scene was so relatable and real because you
- 40:19Speaker 3: were being you know, male, pretty male.
- 40:23Speaker 1: About gonna say this, if these people don't get their
- 40:26Speaker 1: acts together and do more episodes, they're insane. This is gold.
- 40:31Speaker 1: This stuff is gold, and I.
- 40:33Speaker 3: Think you could do it so much better this time.
- 40:36Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Okay, let's talk about a little bit of
- 40:40Speaker 3: a comic relief here. The doll party to me was amazing.
- 40:46Speaker 3: It was net It did give me a bit of
- 40:48Speaker 3: a breath to have Michelle and the woman with well
- 40:52Speaker 3: it's six girls and six dolls, you know, and more
- 40:55Speaker 3: Lin's just In and the little pancakes and Michelle is
- 40:58Speaker 3: just like is she psychoedic?
- 41:00Speaker 1: Like?
- 41:02Speaker 3: For me, that whole thing was really good. And then
- 41:04Speaker 3: the fact that Loralai screwed up and did not that
- 41:10Speaker 3: she she left up show up. Yeah, that's how devastated
- 41:16Speaker 3: she was. Okay, I do think that we need to
- 41:23Speaker 3: talk about Rory Logan because I think there's a lot
- 41:27Speaker 3: to unpack, so have at it. Who wants to start?
- 41:32Speaker 1: I mean he was just super cool and smooth like
- 41:35Speaker 1: he is.
- 41:35Speaker 4: And uh, the one thing that I will say is
- 41:41Speaker 4: Logan in the last episode like clearly said I'm not
- 41:45Speaker 4: going to give this to you, right, And so she's
- 41:47Speaker 4: asking him to hang out. He invites her to a
- 41:49Speaker 4: group hang where you know, a lot of people are there,
- 41:52Speaker 4: and she's upset about it, and it's like.
- 41:55Speaker 3: But at the end his explanation of it. Now, I
- 41:59Speaker 3: don't know if you'd call that gas lighting or really
- 42:03Speaker 3: kind of but his explanation, I was like, you had
- 42:09Speaker 3: a point. Like I was like, you make a great point.
- 42:11Speaker 3: He's like, so I had people over, but you want
- 42:13Speaker 3: to hang out and I didn't want to tell you no.
- 42:15Speaker 1: Yeah, but he could have told her that on the phone.
- 42:18Speaker 3: What he Yeah, he could have said, hey, there's.
- 42:20Speaker 1: He was truly considerate. He would have said, listen him
- 42:22Speaker 1: over here. Yeah, I'd love to hang over. You can
- 42:24Speaker 1: come over, but you know, I'm playing poker with the
- 42:26Speaker 1: fellows and there's a couple of girls here too, and like,
- 42:29Speaker 1: come on over and hang if you want, but if
- 42:30Speaker 1: you don't want to, we can do it another time.
- 42:32Speaker 5: I do give I do give Rory some I think
- 42:34Speaker 5: the reason why I give her some credit is because
- 42:37Speaker 5: she's finally not just waiting around for people and like
- 42:42Speaker 5: stepping up and like I feel like we saw her
- 42:44Speaker 5: freshman year of college just like waiting around for Dean
- 42:47Speaker 5: or you know. Now she's kind of just like that's
- 42:49Speaker 5: the only thing I like about it. But I do.
- 42:52Speaker 5: I do think it was kind of now that you said,
- 42:53Speaker 5: I think it was a little bit of gas lighting.
- 42:55Speaker 3: A little bit it was, but it was also it
- 42:58Speaker 3: was also honest and it was very logan, but it
- 43:01Speaker 3: was a true explanation where he was saying, like, if
- 43:04Speaker 3: we're going to be together, like sometimes we're gonna hang
- 43:05Speaker 3: out with other people and you're cool with that, so
- 43:07Speaker 3: why are you not cool with it this time?
- 43:08Speaker 5: But you know, he also said last week like hey,
- 43:12Speaker 5: I'm not looking for anything, and.
- 43:13Speaker 4: Like, yeah, so the thing that to me and he
- 43:16Speaker 4: was like, so do you just want to have sex
- 43:18Speaker 4: all the time?
- 43:20Speaker 6: Straight upset the.
- 43:25Speaker 3: Unpopular opinion again, But I am all in with that
- 43:28Speaker 3: guy because also when she had a moment of crisis,
- 43:31Speaker 3: he he is right there saving the day essentially in
- 43:35Speaker 3: a logan way, but it's not like he he cares
- 43:38Speaker 3: about he cares. He does he does.
- 43:40Speaker 1: There's also the aspect of you know a guy, you know,
- 43:44Speaker 1: college guys when they're dating or if they like somebody,
- 43:47Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that, you know. One of the true
- 43:49Speaker 1: tests of of of whether they want to really be
- 43:55Speaker 1: interested in this girls. Can they hang?
- 43:57Speaker 3: Yeah?
- 43:57Speaker 1: Can they be a good hang? Are they a drag?
- 43:59Speaker 1: When they are? They like? Do they add to it?
- 44:01Speaker 1: Are they do they mix well with my friends? You know?
- 44:03Speaker 1: It's a perfect kind of way to see what they're like.
- 44:06Speaker 3: Correct. And also he's showing his friends that I'm cool
- 44:11Speaker 3: with Rory being around us. She's like in our group.
- 44:14Speaker 3: I'm not hiding her away and just hooking up with her.
- 44:17Speaker 3: I'm not embarrassed by her. And also I think there's
- 44:20Speaker 3: a moment where one of the friends says something like
- 44:23Speaker 3: your girl about her, I'll steal your girl. I can't
- 44:27Speaker 3: remember something, but.
- 44:30Speaker 4: Kidd was like, if you go there was any phrase
- 44:36Speaker 4: to friends one you, kiddo is the phrase?
- 44:39Speaker 3: And he did it.
- 44:40Speaker 5: Oh man, the second he said that, I was like,
- 44:43Speaker 5: oh no, I did well.
- 44:48Speaker 1: I mean, just imagine how much life experience he's had
- 44:50Speaker 1: compared to to Rory in terms of.
- 44:53Speaker 4: But they're the same age.
- 44:55Speaker 1: But I know, but you know, this guy's on private
- 44:58Speaker 1: jets going he's going to say bars.
- 45:01Speaker 5: Guy, the guy that I love said that to me.
- 45:05Speaker 3: I was like, it's done. I've been friend zone. I
- 45:08Speaker 3: think I'd be fine.
- 45:11Speaker 4: I am with the Autara would be like, all right,
- 45:15Speaker 4: I think I think he has so much control right
- 45:17Speaker 4: now that he probably is toying.
- 45:19Speaker 1: With her a little bit there. Definitely is there's a
- 45:22Speaker 1: there's a little game going on here, but he's you know,
- 45:26Speaker 1: he's a guy who has to be careful, right, you know,
- 45:29Speaker 1: he wants to know that people are And she did
- 45:32Speaker 1: kind of show her hand a little bit with the
- 45:35Speaker 1: with the Seymour Hirst thing, and she got all bubbly
- 45:37Speaker 1: and excited, and you know, he knows, right is she
- 45:41Speaker 1: in it for the money? Is she in it for
- 45:43Speaker 1: my connections? Or does she really think I'm all that?
- 45:46Speaker 1: You know, he has to know that.
- 45:47Speaker 3: One of the scenes that I love so much in
- 45:51Speaker 3: this episode is Janet and Alfia, which again this could
- 45:56Speaker 3: be who's Kevin, But I don't know if that was
- 45:58Speaker 3: the first time we met al Theia, but I love her.
- 46:02Speaker 3: That was amazing where Paris is like, look, we need
- 46:06Speaker 3: to ask them, like they know this stuff, and We'reor's
- 46:09Speaker 3: like I don't need their advice, and then all of
- 46:10Speaker 3: a sudden, she hears what they say to Paris and
- 46:12Speaker 3: she's like, excuse me, Like that was awesome.
- 46:17Speaker 4: She takes their advice, and then Logan calls her out
- 46:19Speaker 4: on it, like hangout is vague.
- 46:22Speaker 6: But it also was like pretty solid boy advice they
- 46:26Speaker 6: were giving intricate And also, can we talk about Emmy
- 46:32Speaker 6: Award winning appearance by Cereal?
- 46:35Speaker 3: Like there's so much Cereal in this and I was
- 46:38Speaker 3: like the fact that they took four bowls each at
- 46:41Speaker 3: the dorm and I'm like, oh my god. Although I
- 46:44Speaker 3: couldn't have that milk with the lactose issue, but like, oh.
- 46:49Speaker 4: When I was watching it, I was like, do I
- 46:50Speaker 4: have Cereal? Like it's so appetizing, Like.
- 46:54Speaker 3: You're lying if you tell me you didn't want cereal
- 46:56Speaker 3: after this episode, So I.
- 46:57Speaker 1: Was like I didn't want Cereal?
- 46:59Speaker 2: Oh my.
- 47:00Speaker 1: I was like, you know what I wanted. I wanted
- 47:02Speaker 1: a cigar glass of whiskey, some boys, and and some cash.
- 47:09Speaker 3: Just because we can. Can everybody just say their favorite cereal,
- 47:14Speaker 3: like their favorite healthy cereal and their favorite sugar cereal
- 47:17Speaker 3: just for for me to enjoy.
- 47:19Speaker 4: Okay, honey bunches of oats and cocoa pebbles.
- 47:24Speaker 5: Okay, mine is rice crispy and lucky charms.
- 47:30Speaker 3: Oh mine, cheerios and fruit loops.
- 47:36Speaker 1: You know, it's a toss up between sugar pops and
- 47:38Speaker 1: Captain Crunch. Don't capa Captain Crunch would like carve up
- 47:49Speaker 1: the roof of your mouth though if you ate it
- 47:51Speaker 1: too many days in a row. But good stuff, good stuff.
- 47:55Speaker 3: Captain Crunch is good on yogurt.
- 47:58Speaker 5: You know what, do they still like apple jacks?
- 48:01Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, these were good.
- 48:03Speaker 2: Those were good.
- 48:04Speaker 4: I just remember that honey grams.
- 48:07Speaker 3: So anyway, I diagrem Now I have to look this up.
- 48:13Speaker 3: But that might be the final appearance by Janet. Somebody
- 48:18Speaker 3: just google that. I there if you google a like
- 48:21Speaker 3: trivia from this episode, I think that jam It's final appearance.
- 48:25Speaker 3: She might only have one more.
- 48:29Speaker 1: Anyway, it's a big question.
- 48:31Speaker 3: It's an interesting question. So should we talk about the
- 48:34Speaker 3: ribbons for a minute?
- 48:36Speaker 1: Sure?
- 48:38Speaker 3: Amazing, everyone picking, everyone picking? Literally. I love when I
- 48:46Speaker 3: think Laura says to Tailor, I'll deal with you later.
- 48:50Speaker 3: And then Rory goes and gets the ribbons, just the.
- 48:52Speaker 4: Whole Wait, no, but what would you guys pick? Like
- 48:55Speaker 4: what ribbons? Are you guys?
- 49:00Speaker 1: We already picked?
- 49:00Speaker 3: No, we haven't.
- 49:02Speaker 4: Really, I'm wearing a beautiful blue right here.
- 49:07Speaker 1: I'm blue.
- 49:09Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, you guys, are you pink? I cannot.
- 49:12Speaker 3: I have to wear pink. I'm so sorry. She's my
- 49:16Speaker 3: soul sister, like I so sorry, like Lorelai is my
- 49:25Speaker 3: whatever the word is, muse all of it. I'm just
- 49:28Speaker 3: obsessed with her, even though I think she made mistakes.
- 49:31Speaker 3: I just I have to wear the pink.
- 49:33Speaker 1: I have to, all right, So what are your next
- 49:36Speaker 1: podcasts you do with her? It's called I'm All Pink.
- 49:40Speaker 4: That's what we shipped. We should have worn our little ribbon.
- 49:43Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm wearing pink today. And also when she
- 49:53Speaker 3: pops her head out of the limo and the honking
- 49:55Speaker 3: and it's Luke and she's like, I'm not usually.
- 50:02Speaker 4: That was funny.
- 50:04Speaker 3: I mean, the whole episode is just like amazing. I
- 50:06Speaker 3: don't know, do you guys feel like, I mean, did
- 50:10Speaker 3: we skip anything? Like I know we kind of broke format,
- 50:14Speaker 3: but it's like I think we had to in this
- 50:16Speaker 3: it's just too big.
- 50:19Speaker 1: I think we hit all the big beats. I mean
- 50:22Speaker 1: I have one. Yeah, you in the.
- 50:25Speaker 3: Front row, supporter Lorelei supporter.
- 50:29Speaker 1: Yes, go ahead.
- 50:30Speaker 3: I want the middle.
- 50:33Speaker 1: I want the what the middle?
- 50:34Speaker 3: When she says I don't want to grow old together
- 50:37Speaker 3: and just have that she wants the middle.
- 50:39Speaker 1: Well, if you want the middle, then make a make
- 50:41Speaker 1: a choice and commit to a guy.
- 50:45Speaker 3: And you know, I mean, look, you make a point.
- 50:49Speaker 3: If she wanted the middle, she should have.
- 50:53Speaker 1: You gotta be uh, you know, a middle type traveler,
- 50:57Speaker 1: and you know you've got to have the stuff to
- 50:59Speaker 1: get to the middle. You know, anything could have happened.
- 51:02Speaker 1: And Luke's mind, he's losing his mind, right, He's like,
- 51:04Speaker 1: anything could have happened there. Now. What he's saying is
- 51:07Speaker 1: to himself, is what else happened that she's not telling me.
- 51:11Speaker 1: He doesn't want to know. He just wants to get away.
- 51:14Speaker 3: I also felt that because we didn't talk about him
- 51:17Speaker 3: too much, the Rory Lorelei scenes in the bed were
- 51:21Speaker 3: really beautiful and really painful. And she really I mean
- 51:27Speaker 3: because that I've been there, and you do you literally
- 51:30Speaker 3: just cannot get out of bed, you cannot eat, you
- 51:32Speaker 3: cannot move and you're just and then finally like there's
- 51:36Speaker 3: a sign of life that you like, tip, take a
- 51:38Speaker 3: sip of water, like you're just like it's yeah.
- 51:41Speaker 1: But the thing that moved me so much about her
- 51:43Speaker 1: performance was that she really honored her feelings about the relationship, yeah,
- 51:51Speaker 1: and the importance of that relationship to her life. So
- 51:55Speaker 1: she did that courageous thing in an acting sense and
- 51:58Speaker 1: really really went through all those emotions for us in
- 52:02Speaker 1: front of the camera. And it was it was breathtaking
- 52:05Speaker 1: to watch even those scenes with Rory. I thought they
- 52:07Speaker 1: were they were measured and textured and kind of tone perfect,
- 52:13Speaker 1: you know, and there was like you could you could
- 52:14Speaker 1: see this little ray of hope or light coming out
- 52:18Speaker 1: and even though she was still very depressed, you know,
- 52:21Speaker 1: and it was just it was heart wrenching to.
- 52:23Speaker 3: Words that really it was.
- 52:24Speaker 1: It was she really really is terrific.
- 52:28Speaker 3: Brief but great appearance by Lane not wearing.
- 52:30Speaker 4: Glasses, wearing glasses, but also.
- 52:34Speaker 3: Just saying the best purchases toll House cookie dough and
- 52:37Speaker 3: chocolate covered matza. I was like, wow, she knows what
- 52:41Speaker 3: snacks to add and the new toothbrush.
- 52:44Speaker 4: Am I did I read this wrong? That when I
- 52:48Speaker 4: saw it on TV. But Rory wore a shirt that
- 52:51Speaker 4: said sex is.
- 52:52Speaker 1: Reading reading Sexy.
- 52:56Speaker 3: I did not see that. I did not even yes, yes, the.
- 53:01Speaker 1: New Sexy or something like that, Oh my god.
- 53:05Speaker 3: Is reading. We need a screenshot of that. See that?
- 53:09Speaker 3: And I you know, look when when Laura says you
- 53:13Speaker 3: can't go to the store, the town's going to be
- 53:15Speaker 3: all over you, and she's like, I've got reinforcements, and
- 53:17Speaker 3: then it's Laine and they're in this limo. The whole
- 53:20Speaker 3: thing was just like basically perfect. How many dream was
- 53:26Speaker 3: so painful?
- 53:27Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that was almost like a film, like a
- 53:31Speaker 1: film by Kirk. Yes, but it was, but it wasn't
- 53:36Speaker 1: in that. I've had those kinds of dreams, have you.
- 53:40Speaker 1: Or you wake up and you're.
- 53:41Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, it's just so yes, Yes, I
- 53:45Speaker 3: have so many dreams like that, And sometimes I'm like,
- 53:49Speaker 3: that happened. What's What's I mean?
- 53:50Speaker 1: The magnitude of that loss, the magnitude of that loss,
- 53:55Speaker 1: that was a very you know, there was a scene
- 53:57Speaker 1: in Oh God, what's the uh, the famous Dustin Hoffman
- 54:05Speaker 1: and Bancroft movie The Graduate. Yeah, they did stuff like
- 54:09Speaker 1: that in that film.
- 54:09Speaker 3: You know, I'm not a fan of a dream sequence
- 54:12Speaker 3: other than in this show, because the other dream that
- 54:15Speaker 3: was so good was their first kiss was in a dream.
- 54:18Speaker 3: Remember that this show knows how to do a dream
- 54:22Speaker 3: like because they it can be kind of annoying. But
- 54:24Speaker 3: this one, I'm like.
- 54:25Speaker 1: Oh wow, No, that's That's when I felt the loss
- 54:29Speaker 1: the most. Is in that dream when he was sitting
- 54:33Speaker 1: in the kitchen watching TV and he was dressed as
- 54:35Speaker 1: Luke and she came down and he wasn't responding at all,
- 54:38Speaker 1: and it's just like, yeah.
- 54:42Speaker 3: Say something, Yeah, I thought it was and and he says,
- 54:46Speaker 3: I'm watching something stupid and she's like, this isn't stupid.
- 54:50Speaker 3: Oh my god. Here's the shirt. Wait, that's an amazing
- 54:53Speaker 3: shirt eating it's sexy. Oh my god, how do I
- 54:57Speaker 3: find that? Sure, if I could find all the.
- 55:02Speaker 1: Fashions, just an email Brenda, she'll tell you.
- 55:04Speaker 3: Lor Lai has that amazing tan sweater she's wearing at
- 55:07Speaker 3: the inn with the thing on the back. It's like,
- 55:10Speaker 3: because she's doing the scene in the refrigerator, So whoever
- 55:14Speaker 3: dressed her was so brilliant knowing we were going to
- 55:16Speaker 3: be looking at her back. And then they put this
- 55:19Speaker 3: sort of emblem on the back of the sweater. But anyway,
- 55:23Speaker 3: I mean, look, this is a great episode.
- 55:26Speaker 1: Yeah all right, what how are we rating it?
- 55:29Speaker 3: Ten pink ribbons, pink Danielle.
- 55:33Speaker 4: Nine point nine to five chocolate covered months of Ale or.
- 55:43Speaker 3: It's nine point nine five year highest you've ever given
- 55:45Speaker 3: the show?
- 55:46Speaker 4: No, I think Bracebridge Dinner Dinner was a ten out
- 55:49Speaker 4: of ten foot oh wow, still holding up for me.
- 55:52Speaker 4: I loved that episode.
- 55:55Speaker 1: I'm going to give this ten out of ten.
- 56:00Speaker 3: Luke Broken Hearts painful and Tara we didn't We didn't
- 56:08Speaker 3: forget Tara. She had to run off for an emergency.
- 56:10Speaker 3: But it's not like an emergency emergency. I think it
- 56:13Speaker 3: was like a podcast.
- 56:13Speaker 1: Oh she just texted me. She increases with me. Ten
- 56:15Speaker 1: out of ten. Luke Broken Hearts?
- 56:17Speaker 3: Yeah, wait, does anybody have any favorite they love when
- 56:21Speaker 3: we do favorite lines? Does anybody have any that we
- 56:24Speaker 3: didn't do? I mean mine is not funny, but it's
- 56:26Speaker 3: so like when she's just drama, it's over. I really
- 56:30Speaker 3: screwed up. He could have been the Wane, Like I
- 56:32Speaker 3: just was like, oh.
- 56:34Speaker 4: Yeah, mine was the drama too, but it was with
- 56:36Speaker 4: adocies between Luke and Laura Leon and Luke being like
- 56:41Speaker 4: it's too much.
- 56:42Speaker 1: Yeah, mine too. Yeah, Yeah, it's too much. It's too much,
- 56:50Speaker 1: it's too overwhelming. It's too much for any one person
- 56:53Speaker 1: to have to tolerate, you know.
- 56:56Speaker 3: Still, like when she told Taylor, I'll deal with you later.
- 56:59Speaker 1: He's got a huge responsibility. He's got to feed the
- 57:01Speaker 1: people of stars Hollow. That's a big job. He's got
- 57:05Speaker 1: to have his act together to do that.
- 57:07Speaker 3: Well, yeah, well, I know we have to go, but
- 57:10Speaker 3: you're right, and look at what happened to her, Like
- 57:13Speaker 3: she screwed up her job because of this, and it's
- 57:15Speaker 3: kind of like he's not gonna let this be his undoing.
- 57:19Speaker 1: As they say, all right, everybody, that's gonna wrap us up.
- 57:24Speaker 1: Next episode, Season five, episode fifteen, Jews and Chinese Food.
- 57:28Speaker 1: We will see you then. Thank you, ladies, Danielle Romo
- 57:31Speaker 1: and Sugarman and the now dearly not dearly departed. That's
- 57:37Speaker 1: wrong with me, all right. That's what you get when
- 57:46Speaker 1: you leave where you click out early.
- 57:47Speaker 7: You know, y.
- 57:51Speaker 3: My Logan, I'm sorry, I know, y'all Logan haters Logan
- 57:54Speaker 3: and Rory are I love them together?
- 57:57Speaker 1: I do too. That's how to add that it's exciting
- 58:00Speaker 1: to see them in scenes together. Their's spots are flying. Yeah, yeah,
- 58:04Speaker 1: it's so great. Isn't he great? Yes, isn't great to watch?
- 58:09Speaker 4: He's great to watch. She's just a little questionable, but
- 58:11Speaker 4: he's great to watch it. I can't get my eyes
- 58:14Speaker 4: off the screen.
- 58:14Speaker 1: One good. Everything flows so smoothly.
- 58:19Speaker 3: It's crops to Liza. While is that how you say?
- 58:21Speaker 3: I don't want to say it wrong. Paris. You know
- 58:24Speaker 3: she's bound her way with Paris. Now she's nailing it,
- 58:31Speaker 3: you know, like this is the Paris that really I love.
- 58:36Speaker 3: She's a hint more vulnerable, she's a hint more sas,
- 58:38Speaker 3: she's a hint more funny, caustic. She was nothing but
- 58:44Speaker 3: a pleasure to watch in this episode for me too.
- 58:46Speaker 3: So yep, ten out of ten pink ribbons.
- 58:49Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it. Thank you, everybody, best
- 58:51Speaker 1: fans on the planet. Thanks for downloading all of us.
- 58:54Speaker 1: Keep the cards and letters and emails coming. We read everything.
- 58:57Speaker 1: We take it all to heart.
- 58:59Speaker 3: Yeah, we sure do. Cried a little when I read
- 59:01Speaker 3: the Instagram comments.
- 59:02Speaker 1: Right, sometimes they ruin our day, but they.
- 59:05Speaker 3: Know how Laura was. Yeah, they make us better podcasters.
- 59:08Speaker 3: But you know what, Laura in this episode, that was
- 59:10Speaker 3: me reading our instagram.
- 59:14Speaker 1: And sometimes I'm Luke and dosies being cornered by Laura
- 59:17Speaker 1: and I'm saying reading the instagram, saying it's too much.
- 59:23Speaker 1: Love you guys, best fans on the planet. See you
- 59:25Speaker 1: next time.
- 59:26Speaker 7: Stay safe, everybody, and don't forget.
- 59:56Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at I Am all In podcast
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