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Leaving the Tower, The Human Heart, & Surprises - New Spring ch4-6 - EP584 · WoT Spoilers

• 0:12
  Speaker 1: This is the Wheel of Time Spoilers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that brings us to chapter four where
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: they are off on the mission.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they run up to their rooms, grab some stuff,
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: and head the hell out and they're you know, rushing right, like,
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: if we don't get out there first, then we're not
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: going to get the name. And it's you know, it's
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: typical twenty something pushing to the front of the line
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: just to hurry up and wait.
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: Yet Moraine's still like one of the last ones out
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  Speaker 2: there because she actually gathers a bunch of stuff.
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because she remembers to like grab a sewing kit
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: and extra socks and you know, normal stuff.
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: And a dagger that will come in handy slightly later.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: Look, you want to be prepared. You always want to
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: be prepared. She is boy scouting. Marine is being a
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: boy scout about this.
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: But I think that is the dagger that she kills
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  Speaker 2: mir and the dark friend Hill or something, the big
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  Speaker 2: bad of the books. Right.
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, carrying a small dagger at your hip is
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: still a good idea because sometimes you can't channel and
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: it's good to have a backup option. So here, here's
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: a real blast of names. Katerina al Ruddon, who we
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: know does become black Auja, but she is not Black
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  Speaker 1: Auja at this point because she'sn't accepted. We also get
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  Speaker 1: Carlinya who gets her hair boiled off in a dream obviously,
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  Speaker 1: Alana Prittala, at Asina, Dessandra, Tamla, Caladera, Atsue. All of
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: those names survive into the modern era of books.
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  Speaker 2: M hmm, yeah, Madonnie, Brendas, Katerine, Carolinya, Alana, pretl, ed Asina, Tamila, Desandra, Kolodera,
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  Speaker 2: and Atwan. Yeah are the names that I've got in
• 1:55
  Speaker 2: the wiki.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they all have stuff to do. They are all
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  Speaker 1: peepeople who do plot. Some of them are dark friends,
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: some of them are loyalists. Some of them are super
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: super cool and on our team. Some of them are
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: just random characters drifting around in the background, not doing
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: very much. But they all do something and right now
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: they're all running around like chickens with their heads cut off,
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: trying to pack and rush out the door. It's very cute.
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  Speaker 1: We also get mentioned of more rains pre aldieb Horse.
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  Speaker 1: Her horse here is named Arrow because you know, horses
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  Speaker 1: don't live that long, so it'd be weird if they
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  Speaker 1: had the same horses here as they do later, but
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  Speaker 1: it's you know, the horses matter.
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  Speaker 2: My first dog before Timber was named Arrow, only somewhat
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: related to this, but I did take that into account.
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  Speaker 2: A horse name, you know, I guess I could go
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  Speaker 2: you know, you could have gone like Mandarb or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, it's cool to go with a less
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  Speaker 1: obvious name, right, like.
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  Speaker 2: Hopper has been done. Right. I don't want to name
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  Speaker 2: my dog Hopper after Hopper, right, but I thought Arrow
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: was pretty clever. Plus, if you've ever heard the Harry
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  Speaker 2: Nielsen song Me and My Arrow, which was actually turned
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  Speaker 2: into an animated movie, he took the album, which is
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: a very storytelling album about a kid and his dog
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  Speaker 2: in the land a point where everybody has a point
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  Speaker 2: and literally have a pointed head, except for this one
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  Speaker 2: kid who has a round head, and so he has
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  Speaker 2: to go on the journey to find his point, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and obviously that point is a you know, analogy for
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  Speaker 2: his purpose. Sure yeah, sure, yeah yeah. And then he's
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  Speaker 2: got his dog Arrow with him, who has a point,
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  Speaker 2: and like part of he's like, oh, you know, part
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  Speaker 2: of my life is taking care of my dog, and
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: part of what I do is to take care of
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  Speaker 2: my dog, and so that was always that always spoke
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  Speaker 2: to me. And then to have Marine also have a
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  Speaker 2: horse named Arrow was I thought nice. I always have
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: to wonder if maybe Jordan didn't know about that music,
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  Speaker 2: could have could have Is this a reference to the
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  Speaker 2: Harry Nielsen me in My Arrow? I don't think so,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe it could be.
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: It could be, except his dresses do not have skirts
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  Speaker 1: divided for writing. It's very important to know.
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  Speaker 2: I definitely hated that.
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  Speaker 1: And then we get paired up with this stealer dude
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  Speaker 1: who's there for the day and who doesn't top prospecting
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: them and their work over the course of the day.
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  Speaker 1: And there's this exchange here about directions that I'm very
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  Speaker 1: confused about, and I'm wondering if our books say the
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  Speaker 1: same thing. Swan tries to get them to go to
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  Speaker 1: the West Bank, and then he says, I'm told to
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  Speaker 1: take you to the West Bank, and then Swan's mad
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  Speaker 1: about it, and then Marian thinks maybe she can change
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  Speaker 1: his mind. That I'm very confused because it sure seems
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  Speaker 1: like they're both saying that they're going to go to
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  Speaker 1: the same place. And I don't understand why there's a disagreement.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm wondering if you always says west bank in
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  Speaker 1: both cases as well, it does okay, then why is
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  Speaker 1: Swan trying to redirect him to do what he's already doing?
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  Speaker 1: And why is she mad that he won't change from
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  Speaker 1: doing what he's doing to doing what he's doing. I'm
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  Speaker 1: very confused.
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm. I thought she wanted to go far away from
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  Speaker 2: the west bank, but he keeps her. There's a conversation
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  Speaker 2: later where she's like, I want to go further inland,
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  Speaker 2: closer to Dragonmount on the west bank, and he's like, no,
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  Speaker 2: you have to stay close to the river. So I
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  Speaker 2: know there's a disagreement there where it's like he wants
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  Speaker 2: them to stay close to the river and she wants
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  Speaker 2: to go further towards Dragon Mount. But that's not in
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  Speaker 2: this paragraph.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're using the same words to describe a thing
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  Speaker 1: that they're apparently disagreeing on.
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  Speaker 2: Very confusing because the west bank of Tarvalin is the
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  Speaker 2: side the Dragon Mount is on. It's to the west
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  Speaker 2: of Tarvalan. It's like southwest. And the only reason I
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  Speaker 2: think she might be upset is because like he's doing
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  Speaker 2: what he's told and not because she told him to
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  Speaker 2: do it.
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  Speaker 1: But she says west Bank, and he says west Bank,
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  Speaker 1: and then she scowls. And I just don't get where
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  Speaker 1: the scowl rationale is coming.
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  Speaker 2: From, because he said I was told to take you
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  Speaker 2: to the west Bank.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and after she says we are supposed to go
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  Speaker 1: to the west Bank, it sounds like they're both agreeing.
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  Speaker 1: And then later like Marin thinks perhaps she would figure
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  Speaker 1: out a way to turn him, but like turn him.
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  Speaker 2: From what all I know is while looking through this,
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  Speaker 2: I found North Harbor.
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  Speaker 1: Congratulations, start a podcast about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't have an answer for you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, other than Suan saying I want you to
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  Speaker 2: do what I say because I say it, not because
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  Speaker 2: you were told.
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  Speaker 1: But I still don't understand how Moraine can be like, well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe you can change his mind later, like change his
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  Speaker 1: mind about what No, I'm I'm like feels like an oversight.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like one of them was supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: the west flank of the mountain versus the west bank
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  Speaker 1: of the river, and then this would make sense. And
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: also that is, like you said, the conflict later.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we're catching a couple of these errors, right,
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing with like take the test not on
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  Speaker 2: the first time.
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  Speaker 1: Does this book a rush job? Could it have been?
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know what aut No, no way, not that.
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  Speaker 2: None of this information is just a recap of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, all right, so.
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  Speaker 1: Now we have pages of description of writing through Tarvalin.
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  Speaker 1: The people, the clothes, the buildings don't really have anything
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  Speaker 1: to say about it. It is texture. The Andorans are stubborn,
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  Speaker 1: the Ogier are clever at building. Like that's what it
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  Speaker 1: is for pages.
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  Speaker 2: Tarvallen is ten miles long, Manhattan is thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, totally. It is a densely populated city where
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  Speaker 1: a bajillion people come, is very wealthy. It has the
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  Speaker 1: banking district. People come here for their opportunities in a
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  Speaker 1: wide variety of things. It's New Yawk. It's the big peach.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I read. Nice. Yeah, it's a big poison
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  Speaker 2: this speech. Yeah, it's just the big apple. It's it's
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  Speaker 2: New York City. It's even gotten Ogier Grove, I mean
• 7:40
  Speaker 2: Central Park, like you know, it's one hundred percent, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you look at the map.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's got the Empire State building, I mean
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  Speaker 1: the White Tower, and it's got some pretty epic bridges.
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  Speaker 1: Getting on and off of the island.
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  Speaker 2: And crossing those bridges is forbidden to them except in
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  Speaker 2: this very special circumstance.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a big deal that they get to
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: go out of it. So, yeah, it's New York. It's
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: a montage of New York. We can skip like three pages.
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  Speaker 1: They get onto the bridge and it is briefly blockaded
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  Speaker 1: by a group of white cloaks who wander away, never
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  Speaker 1: to be seen again again.
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  Speaker 2: Just more Lord drop, this is a white cloak. The
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  Speaker 2: white Cloaks cause trouble for the Isidie. They're antagonistic, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like I swear to god. It's just in there so
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  Speaker 2: he can do a little paragraph on what the white
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  Speaker 2: Cloaks are. He's introducing. He tinkers the sea folk through
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  Speaker 2: all the different isid Eyes, introduced the white Cloaks like
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  Speaker 2: he's introducing you to every single faction that exists in
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  Speaker 2: this chapter through backstories of Isidi and having them pop out.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, this is just that sense of the white
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  Speaker 1: Cloaks are an intimidating force. They're the proud boys, right,
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  Speaker 1: they just stand around looking intimidating, and then wander off
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  Speaker 1: when anyone who actually has any kind of authority comes
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  Speaker 1: by hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: But I just see that as another one of the
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  Speaker 2: list he gave us Sea folk, I Iel White cloaks,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the different countries. I mean, it's he's
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  Speaker 2: dumping as much lore as he possibly can into these
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  Speaker 2: chapters to tell you like this is the wheel of time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we do have a fun inverse of personalities or
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  Speaker 1: a mirror of personalities, where Swan and Moraine each have
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  Speaker 1: an instance of holding the power and thinking about doing
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  Speaker 1: something naughty with it, and then the other one telling
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  Speaker 1: them no, and then looking back going how could can
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: you read my mind? How could you tell? Because? And
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  Speaker 1: then well, how would you be surprised? I know you
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: we've been like living together for six years, and it's
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  Speaker 1: cute again their soulmates.
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  Speaker 2: To me, this is very much like I wish Rand
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  Speaker 2: was here. He's good with men, right that level of
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  Speaker 2: like everybody thinks the same thing and they're thinking it
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  Speaker 2: about each other, And Moraine and Suan here are thinking
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: the same thing about each other, which is that like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I know she's gonna get in the mischief I better
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  Speaker 2: stop her before she grabs the power and causes and
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  Speaker 2: they're both like, I was just using it to enhance
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  Speaker 2: my site, and it's like, no, you weren't. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: were gonna channel I'm so cute.
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  Speaker 1: We get to mention if another h future Sadai Serene,
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: who we do see in the modern era, but is
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: compared to Elid or Ellen in turn Elid it is
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: Elid here. Ellen and Ellen are different people? Are the
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  Speaker 1: same people? Are spelled different?
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  Speaker 2: Shit?
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: I thought Ellen and Ellen were the same person and
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: I was confusing it. But there's two names in this
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  Speaker 1: here book.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on a second before we go any further. They are, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they are very different people.
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  Speaker 1: Well crap, then, because the pretty one is the one
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: that dies, as I recall. So, I don't know why
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: that Ellen sequenced with the book earlier existed if it
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: was not to build her up as a character to
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: be sad that we lose.
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: Ellen spends twenty years as novice and accepted, and she's
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: finally raised to the Shawl in Crossroads of Twilight.
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, she's the one that Nineve gets the slowing lecture
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: about her younger sister. Okay, so that paragraph with Ellen
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  Speaker 1: to establish her as a silly girl was just to
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: be like, oh yea, I remember her who doesn't get raised.
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  Speaker 2: Until she takes a long time to get raised.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, Well I guess I was wrong.
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: Hopefully I want to send to an email between back
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  Speaker 1: when I said that and now I'm discovering them.
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  Speaker 2: Right. So, but you did say Ellen, and you're like, oh, Ellen,
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: I thought it was elled right, Like you did say
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: that back when you were looking at it, because you
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: the information was correct for Ellen.
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: Jordan has trained me to not trust myself when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to names that are really similar. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm just reading the section where they're talking about
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  Speaker 2: the camp's closest to the river versus the ones further away,
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  Speaker 2: and like, this makes sense. This exchange makes sense. It
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: feels like that previous one was supposed to be part
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: of this and just needed to get edited out, yeah,
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: or edited down like that. Somehow that one interaction got
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: split up into two, and one of them is like
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: I want to go to the west. It's like, oh,
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: you're going to go to the east. But then that
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  Speaker 2: didn't work because he actually did want them on the
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: west side, so then he like changed it and then
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: the argument doesn't make sense.
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta go back and listen to the audiobook
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: because that's going to be the original original.
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: Hmmm, good point.
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: The audiobook that gets recorded before any edited second publishings come.
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: Out, and they rarely pay to have it redone certainly.
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: Not in the early days of the books, and I
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: don't think even now.
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: I think that they might with some storm lighte archive.
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: I think Sanderson might pay them to record some lines
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  Speaker 2: when it changes it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if anyone would, it would be Sanderson. He would
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: have the money and flexibility to demand that. And yeah,
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: all I have left for this chapter is them writing
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  Speaker 1: into the camp and going, oh no, Mirandians, And with that,
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready to go into chapter five, The Human Heart.
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just the fact that the town's abandoned because everyone
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: expects it to be burned, because it's always burned in
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  Speaker 2: Wars because it's outside the walls.
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  Speaker 1: But it's some of those towns that always gets rebuilt.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like it's too valuable outside of Tarvallan to
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: have a town there. But yeah, it gets burned down
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  Speaker 2: a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of the city of Troy.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean the last time I got burned down
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: was like a thousand years ago, right, So it's not
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  Speaker 2: like it gets burned down every hundred years or even
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  Speaker 2: every fifty years.
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  Speaker 1: It's like there has to be a major war and
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  Speaker 1: burned done more recently than that.
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  Speaker 2: Burned three times during the Troloic Wars, once during the
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  Speaker 2: War of the Second Dragon, and twice during the twenty
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  Speaker 2: year Siege of tarball On by Ardur Hawk Wings armies.
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  Speaker 2: But that was a thousand years ago, give or take.
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  Speaker 2: Almost a thousand.
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  Speaker 1: Years seems like a long time for a town to
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  Speaker 1: not get burned down.
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: You know, what this town needs is a good burning down.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that literally is like ancient cities where like
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: they would burn them down once a generation, and then
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: now we have these giant hills that you can do
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: amazing archaeology and to discover like a thousand years of
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: city history. Like no, no, no, we've just been living
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: in this same building for the last thousand years. No,
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: that's not realistic.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was more realistic when you had the
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  Speaker 2: waygate in the built into a wall in the cellar
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  Speaker 2: of a house.
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: That doesn't actually feel realistic at all. Given me the
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  Speaker 1: land surface subsides and changes over the centuries, the way
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  Speaker 1: gates should be getting like or portal stones. Don't think
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  Speaker 1: of you said.
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  Speaker 2: Waygate, still though, I'm talking about the waygate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking of portal stones. But still though
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  Speaker 1: the surface of the land does not fix like does
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  Speaker 1: the waygate stay it fixed to the surface of the
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  Speaker 1: land or does it fix to stay fixed to a
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  Speaker 1: certain point in the x y Z axis.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying they built a wall with the waygate incorporated,
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  Speaker 2: and then they built a house on top of that wall.
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: You know, the way that I'm talking about, the one
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  Speaker 2: in Kyrian.
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  Speaker 1: How does that explain why this town at the foot
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  Speaker 1: of a bridge in Tarvalan hasn't been buried by a
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: thousand years of dirt accumulation.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: I'm saying that's an example of things getting buried by accumulation.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a better example.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's in Kaylin mars Pan's right, it's in Kaimla
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  Speaker 1: that it's in abasement. In Kyriean it's in that King's
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: park garden. Thing right, because the Ogiar grove only recently
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: had been enclosed by the Kyrine and thrown. It's in
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: Camelin that it's in abasement. Just in the middle of
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: the city, just built right the hell over.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: I thought Kamerlin would have done a better job of
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: preserving their ogear grove, you would think. I kind of
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: made the assumption that that would that it wouldn't be
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: in Camelin, because Kmlin would still have their ogear grove.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: But you're right, it's gone.
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  Speaker 1: No. Kyrian is the ones who more recently disrespected the grove.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: But they don't even have like a grove. They just
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: have a forest where grove used to be. Chapter five,
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: The Human Heart.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: The symbols again, the snake of the wheel.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: Surprise, no heart's actually explode out of the body in
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: this one.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: But you know, I know, right well, it's not time
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: for bubbles of people yet. So yeah, they roll up
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: and set up a booth to start taking all these names.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: It looks to be about one hundred women or so,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of shenanigans, right. There's the cluster
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: of girls who are looking at them like celebrities and
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: pointing at them because ooh their isidi. There's the old
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: women who like know what they're looking at and respect them.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: And this just shows you how little recruiting they do, right,
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: I know, this is directly outside tarvall On, and these
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: people are having trouble like, ooh, maybe I do want
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: to be in Isidie. It's like, these people should have
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: no problem talking to isid Ie. They should see them
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: all the time. It's like in La like people should
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: know how to act around them. She says on the.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Walkthrough Tarvalin that most people don't know what an accepted
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: dress looks like in the city. It's ridiculous. They are
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: too cloistered.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: It's the freaking pope.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a lot of noise. There's a lot
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: of shenanigans, there's a lot of attitudes. There's the whole
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: how old is this baby? Is this baby too old?
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: There's charity, there's scams.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Right, if you've ever worked customer service, you recognize this
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: parade of bullshit that's coming from these people, right, because
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: it's money's involved. And so you got the rich people
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: who want it for status. You've got the people who
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: are starving who need it. You've got the and then
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: there's the and they show compassion by giving it to
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: the one woman who's starving and her baby. She's okay,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: her baby's okay because she's taking care of the baby,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: but she's starving to make the baby okay. And like
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: this just back and forth between the people and Moraine
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: and Suan to kind of show their character and who
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: they are, and to show that Suan has less problems
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: with authority, but also can kind of recognize the poverty
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: in a way that Moraine might not be able to
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: because she's a noble.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: And yeah, the adventure aspect wears off really quickly, right.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: They're excited until about the first thirty minutes and then
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: it just becomes a grind and.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: They discover Jesus. They discover someone who was born in
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: a hay barn.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep. It's not the Jesus that they were
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: looking for, but it is a Jesus.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Hey Jesus. I always had canon that that's like, you know,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: the Christian Jesus was born at the same time. It
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: was like, hey, Jesus, but what about the dragon rre born.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's a lot of character building, a lot
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: of bits and pieces of attitude and world building, and
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: then yeah, there's this old woman who like knows who
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: they really are, like knows the status that they really have,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: presumably you know, because she went to the tower. She
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: ends up leading the charge later to keep the soldiers
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: off of them long enough for them.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: To finish taking Okay, I didn't make that connection. Good.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I like how the grandmother contingent plays a
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: role in this thing that young women are doing, right,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: these two young women from the White Tower, all of
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: these young mothers, and then the grandmas like step in
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: to help facilitate at the edge, because that's what the
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: crones do. After you go through the change, after your
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: hair's gray, after men don't see you anymore, that's when
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: you start swinging a cleaver and telling the soldiers to
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: back the fuck up.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: I've never seen I've never seen that.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine why.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: God, wait, those women exist. I don't know. They just
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: like I can't see them for some reason.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, they all just vanish mysterious.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Right once they're not attractive to me anymore. I just
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: can't see women.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they all get back on that spaceship and go.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Uh back to you know, I hope everyone knows that sarcasm.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: But no, it's something that I've I've read a lot
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: of women talking about. Is like, once you get past
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: a certain point in your age and you've graduated up
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: to crone status, Like the fucks you have to give
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: are very differently proportioned than when you were in mother
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: status totally. And you see that here in the way
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that these grandmothers step up and they're like, no, no, no, steal,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: you need to let them finish writing the list, And
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I don't care what you say about it.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I even appreciate the clever way that like Jordan recaps
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: where he's like, yeah, do you have one of those
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: what do you call him? Reader? Wisdom, wise woman, And like, okay,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: those are all this yeah, where she's just trying to
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: come up with the right word. But that tells you, oh,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: these are all synonyms in different places for what this
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: person is.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Right right, which you know we've seen all of those,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: our characters have gone to all the different nations where
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: that's relevant.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: But yeah, just to really, I really appreciate in reading
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: this how well Jordan is packing five books of exposition
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: into one book here, right, Like, there is so much dense,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: dense information about the world in this book that we
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: don't necessarily need to talk about because for us, it's
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: you know, we don't need to talk about like Sidine
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: versus Sidar and what na Sidai is and agelessness, like
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: we've talked to it to death, but this is such
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: a good introduction and such a good way to like
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: give you all that information in an incredibly dense format.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: And then the next thing I've got is Alida and
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Mylin walking up and talking to them. I don't remember
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: what mylon Argania does elsewhere, but she is present in
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the present day books. I just don't remember what she does.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Milon gets demanied, thank you Vuji, And yeah, we get
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: mentioned of the fact that Alida was assigned to the
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Queen of and Or three years ago, so you know,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: she hasn't pestered Moraine and sworn in three years except
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: for when she comes back to visit. She's pretty well
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: ensconced with Morgaze, right. Her dynamic with the Andoran court
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: as well established, and she's been nice to die for.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I guess she got assigned to the Queen of Andor
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: pretty quickly after being raised to the Shawl. There's not
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of time there. She would have gotten raised
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: and signed out pretty fast.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Right cool, because remember she requests it due to a
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: foretelling that she has right that she'll be at the
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: center of it, right So, and for.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Whatever reason, the Ameline says, sure, green ass sister who
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: just barely got her shawl, you go take over interface
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: with one of the most powerful queens. I don't have
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: anyone more experienced to send that's obvious, or.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Of a better temperament, or of a different adja that
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: might be more appropriate.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the ideal war does kind of
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: make I don't know, Elida did good politicking to get
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the assignment.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Uh there's a baby named Daniel, which I always think
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: of the fourth Boy.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, r yeah, I noticed that. I'm like, well, I
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: guess people are allowed to have the same name in
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: this world. It doesn't have to be a connection to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the tier Rivers.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I know what it feels like, Jordan being like I
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: like this name and I wanted him to be significant,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: So I'm throwing him in here as well.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, Mylin gives us some good information. She first
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: of all tells Alida stop paying attention to these girls
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: so much, which lets us the audience know that this
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: is not just more Rain having a persecution complex. This
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: is an observable phenomena that Alida has a thing for
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: these girls. And also she you know, makes fun of
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Moraine for being a prudish Kabrian and then explains that
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: war is good for baby making because anxiety makes people fuck.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, Mylon is murdered in this
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: book by the blackaw jaw.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Oh. Oh, she doesn't make it, oh, because there is
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: a Demani this named Mylon. Oh my god, Jordan, Jordan,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I swear we need to do a singouse just so
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I can yell at this man.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: What is it with your names?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, so Mylon Argania gets killed Arggia. This almost sounds
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: like Arganda, but it's not the same name, so they're
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: not related. Okay, Mylon dies. A different person named Mylon
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: who's not here, gets demanied. Oh yeah yoey oh yeah.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And then Mylon interprets her orders, thoughts or emotions so
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: that she knows what he's thinking, and then sees Morain
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: be so surprised that she looks right at Moraine and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: is like, I can't read minds. And it's just like
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the most it's hilarious because she's acting like she can
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: read minds while saying she can't read minds, and it's
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: very funny.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Well, it's saying basically, I can't read his mind,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: but I know his emotions, and when you've been together
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: long enough, like hey, right, just being with someone long enough,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: you pretty much know what they're thinking most of the time. Anyway.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you've experienced that with your husband,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: but I've certainly experienced that with my wife. And you
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: combine that with like, you know their emotions at the time, right,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: like that gives you a real big clue into what
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: they're thinking about. Right, If they're upset, they're probably not
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: thinking about puppies and sunshine and rainbows.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right, Yeah, it's all human deduction, knowing the
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: human heart essentially, right, But.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I do feel like that knowing their emotion doesn't tell
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: you what they're thinking, but it gives you a big
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: fucking clue if there's someone you've been with for a
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: long time, for sure, if someone has an interaction with
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: somebody and is immediately upset, you're like, Okay, well I
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: know what they thought about that interaction, right.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: They get the ass to die off their backs. Steeler
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: tries to take them back, the grandmother's force him to wait,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: and then they take the life of the names real quick,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and then they ride back to Tarvallen real fast, to
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the point that Swan has to be essentially bumper car
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: held on her horse by.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Soldiers because she's a terrible rider.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: But then I know, right, she's just a terrible writer always.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: But then it's cool. They get back and Steeler totally
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: has the opportunity to say that they were trouble and
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: get them in trouble, and instead he says, no, they
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: were fine, Like he does actually respect the efficiency of
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the work that they're doing and the fact that they
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: did conduct themselves appropriately, And he's a crosherty old man,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: but he's not unfair.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: And in fairness, they didn't cause problems. It was the women.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: They didn't. But he's respect and he even gives them
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: a respectful nod like midway through the day of just
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: like he's a hard ass, but he's not an unfair
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: hard ass.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I also want the lambs to somehow be a reference
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: to like the shepherd and you know.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: More like sacrificial lambs. Sure sure they are being offered
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: up as meat. And then they get Katerine is waiting
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: to greet them when they get back because they're the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: last ones back, and that is to summon Morain and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Moraine alone to the Mistress of Novices studies, because you know,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the war is over, because her uncle has been killed
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: also two of her other uncles. But you know, for once,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Morain and Swann are not in trouble together. Moraine needs
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: to be given this information privately because this.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Is outside information. And yeah, I think the horns to
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: me again makes sense. The sorry trumpets from the ieal
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: makes sense that that happened. And then a day or
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: two later the information gets to the isid eye.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Right, because it's going to be going at the speed
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: of fast horses in terms of getting the full details
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: to people, because I mean, well, no, yeah, pigeons, because
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: you're sending that information back to people who do have
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: fixed locations. Pigeons are terrible for intra army communication, but
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: they're fine for sending word back to the capitol. So yeah,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: we're talking, you know, twenty four to forty eight hours
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: of lag for the full details to be hitting the
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: big important guys.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Mirrn seems to be a very good Mistress of the Novices,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: like almost a little bit of a psychologist, right kind
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: and gentle and understanding and find but also able to
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: find out kind of what you want to keep hidden
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and like discuss that with you and bring it up
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: with you so you can't like hide your secrets like
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: and force your emotions down. Like. She seems to be
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: a very good mistress of the novices.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like that is really what that role
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: is supposed to be. It's supposed to be there as
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: a physical enforcement arm as a last resort, and yeah,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: the psychologist slash mom hug thing as a first resort.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: And you know she's a good mistress of the novices
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: because she's what a black godja. Yes, absolutely, I forgot
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: about that.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: She is black Aja.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Uh huh, she's actually black Oja. Well, this is Miran Redhill.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Oh is red Hill?
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: This is this is the the black Aja. Oh.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: This is who Maureen's going to stab in the back
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: with her little knife after everything goes completely sideways. Mm hmm.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: This is this is the bad guy of the book,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Mirror Redhill.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: This is the biggest, baddest evilist guy of this particular book.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: And she's so warm and comforting and good at her
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: job and just such an asset and they we're so glad.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: To have you and it's very good at ferreting out
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: any secrets that you might have in using them against
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: you and reporting them up. So yeah, once again, Mistress
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: of the Novice is always black. They should have suspected
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Sheeriam way sooner. Jeez.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: No, right, like so swans the only one with pattern recognition.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Apparently the Keeper and the Mistress of the Novices are
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: the two roles that the black is like, we got
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: to keep those filled. Those are super powerful, but not
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: upfront powerful, but for manipulating the ambulance seat and manipulating
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: the people coming into the you know, probably just checking
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: to see who'd be willing to be black and who's
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: going to get recruited.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're the mistress of novices and you're
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: getting given all the secrets and all the crying and
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: all of the therapy, and.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: That's all getting reported back to the Black odd Ja,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: that then gets used against all of these people as adults,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: as not adults. But as I said, I and.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: You're gonna know who to obfuscate stuff from and who
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: to bring into the circle. You're gonna know whose secrets
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: you can use in the last eventuality and who can
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: be easily manipulated without ever letting them know that they're
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: working for the Black Aja, like she's gonna know.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: All of it. Oh and mars Band brings up a
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: good point with Alida. She actually attached herself to more
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Gasee before she like when she looked like she was
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: going to be queen, but before she became queen. And
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: so it was she was attached before more Gaze became queen.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: And that's how like the IAID, I aren't sending her
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: there because oh we have this new queen we need
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: an advisor for It's like, oh, this person you were
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: attached to became queen, therefore you get first DIBs on
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: She queen at this point?
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: More gase Yeah, I'm pretty sure more Geese is queen
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: before the ideal war, Well, you work.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Gets triggered by the loss of t Grain though, I
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: mean like it takes a couple of years obviously, but
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: like the events that lead up to Laman cutting down
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: the throne or cutting down the tree starts with the
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: loss of t Grain, So like the Andoran throne is
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: in a weird place for a while. Yeah, I guess
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know when does Morgaze get crowned? With respect
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: to that.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: See, she won the lion throne for Houster Cannon in
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: the Third Succession War after the death of Queen Morell
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: and Mantyr, who died. She died in nine seventy two. Oh,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: and this is nine seventy eight. Oh. I don't know
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: how long the war was, but yeah, so the Third
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Secession War basically was triggered by her death, and at
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: the end of it, Morgasee became queen. I don't know
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: how many years the war actually took place.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: So yeah, what year does Morgays become queen? Oh and
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: someone s I put it in nine seventy four, so two. Oh,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: it's only two years and all of that goes down
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: before the Ieal War starts.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, and so and so at this point, Laida's been
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: advisor to the Queen Vandor for years.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, all right, all right.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: And was attached to her probably five years ago at
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: this point before she became queen.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, she still got as signed off island duties very
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: early after she's but she is very strong and very competent.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: So I guess that's fine, because when did Alida become
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: like three years ago? God the timeline almost doesn't make sense.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's kind of my confusion, because.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: If Morgaise was queen in nine seventy four, Alida wasn't.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: She only became an ice of eye in nine seventy five,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: which is a year after more Gase became queen, So
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: how she could she could have attached herself early and
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: advised like that. That doesn't make sense.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense. Maybe we shouldn't have done this book.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: It was a mistake, because we keep finding mistakes.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: It does seem like it's got a lot of errors
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: in it.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, So when did Alida become used to die? Because
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I thought that was also three years ago, but maybe
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong about that.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: She was raised to the shawl in nine seventy three,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: which is more than three years ago. That's if we're
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: nine seventy eight, that's five years ago, So that's where
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the error is.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: But that's still weird to me that she was sent
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: out within a year of getting her shawl to be
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: advisor to one of the most important monarchs. Like, that's
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: what's tripping me up, as like she was really green
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: for that responsibility.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: So here's what I'm saying she was raised in nine
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: seventy three, right a year before Margaze wins, so she
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: is raised immediately has the foretelling, or even before she's raised,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: has the foretelling. Attaches herself to the one she believes
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: is the potential. Because you're halfway through the war and
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: looks like Morgase is gonna win, she attaches herself to
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: more Gaze. The war ends in nine seventy four, and
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: more Gase becomes Queen. Elia has already attached herself the
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: ambulance seat, has no choice but to keep her attached.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: You needed a really good reason to justify pulling her
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: out of there and replacing her. Was okay, that's fair.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Alida's strong as hell when she's there.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Not to mention at the time, she is the most
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: powerful Isidai to exist, and we as we know, once
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: you become isidi doesn't matter how old you are. Power
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: is the most important thing. Alida immediately becomes a leader
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: in the tower the second she becomes Isidi. Because she
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: is so strong, she gets to do whatever she wants.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: The Amberlin State could legally make her do something, but
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: it is why why would you fight that battle when
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: there's nothing to gain? Okay, No, that's fair. Alida's just
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: go get her.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: So you give one of your strongest I Sidi to
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: one of the strongest queens who already has an attachment.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't fight that. If she took that on
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: her own initiative without asking permission, you're just going to
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: backdate that paperwork and say that it was your plan
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: all along. All right, that makes sense.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: And the foretelling is between nine to seventy and nine
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: seventy two, which is after the death of Well, right
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: before the death of the Mantir, which actually interesting because
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: right the foretelling happens when a whole different regime. We
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: talked about this, it's a different regime in power. When
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: she has the foretelling, and the foretelling it just says
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: it's the.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Royal House of and Or is the key to winning
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the battle. It's and then she attaches herself to the
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: new Royal House of and Or. But her foretelling was
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: literally about the old one.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm mm hmm.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Man, she's so wrong.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think what was that three year quote
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: that you were working with that she was raised three
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: years ago?
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I was the three year quote was it's been three
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: years since she went off to be the advisor to
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: the Queen of An. So I'm assuming that because of
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: the history she has mouth Warrion and Swan. I'm like, well,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: that has to be right around the same time. Yes, yeah, okay, cool.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: So I think we've sorted that out and I think
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: there's actually no errors there. The error was just assuming
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: that Alida had any amount of constraints placed on her
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: once she had the shawl. No, No, she's Alida. She
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: just does what she wants.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: And we see that with like and even like once
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: all of our supergirls, once they be that's the whole
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: confrontation where they have to be like, no, you do
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: what we say from now on. With the senior I said, eye,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: it's like we're in charge, We're more powerful, and they're like, oh,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: we wondered how long it would take you to figure
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: that one out? Right right right right now, I'm guessing
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: it took a lighta no time to figure that one out.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, for sure, okay, cool.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: So back to more rain, right, So, she finds about Layman,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: and she feels a little guilty for not feeling guilty,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: but she does not feel guilty because King Layman is
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: a dick.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she says that literally, her father is the only
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: one of his entire like age cohort in that family
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: to not be a raging douchebag. So she's like, yeah,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I don't really feel bad that they aren't in the
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: world making the world a worse place anymore, like they
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: started a war. I'm not sad that they're dead. But
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: she does deny herself dinner as an act of penance
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: for not feeling bad.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: And meanwhile, Miron is like, you're in shock, you must
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: be right, like.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Kind of the first clue that she's black Aja because
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: she is enforcing this worldview onto Moriana and not actually
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: hearing mourin for where she's at. She is telling Morain
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: how she feels, which is douchebag behavior. And so yeah,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Moraine goes off and has nightmares about anything except her
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: uncle's right.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Are these prophetic dreams?
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Well, everyone in the tower is thinking about the strongest
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Tiveran and the most prophesied person in a bajillion years.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I can't. It might not be like she's uniquely getting
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: prophecy dreams, but I bet like every eyes that eye
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: is having more or less the same dreams in the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: sense that they're all anxious about the same shit. Also,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Rand is probably having his first dream cycle in this life,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: so his dreams aren't shielded, but they are very accurate
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: to what's gonna happen, Babe lying in the snow, faceless
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: young man breaking the world. Like it's generic as hell,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: but it's not inaccurate.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I have to wonder if maybe someone is having these
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: dreams something like someone like Mordan is having these dreams
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: unshielded and they're spreading out.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: But she's got her dreams shielded, right, she does the weaving. Yeah, yeah,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: no one else can get in, right, you're rewarred to
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: keep her dreams from affecting anyone else. Like presumably everyone's
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: got their dreams in their own little bubble.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but infect anyone else's doesn't mean necessarily she has
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: protections on her own.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what Randon implies when he learns her from Asmodians,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: that he wants to learn to protect his dreams so
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: no one can get in. I assume that it's the
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: same thing. It's a door, you know, it works both ways.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: But you know, she's having very generic nightmare dreams. And
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: then she goes to crawl into bed with her girlfriend
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: and her girlfriend says, yeah, I'm having basically the same dreams,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Like the details aren't specific enough to be creepy.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: But it's just like majure on we I think if
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: the dreams are happening to anybody outside these two, we
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: could say it's a dream thing. But if it's just
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: these two, then it's just their anxiety and their knowledge.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: And Marian asks do you think Tomorra is having bad
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: dreams tonight? And Swan responds said, I don't have bad dreams,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: and it's just ah, you think adults have it all
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: figured out.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: We don't find out. We don't know anything.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like an adult, and yet my birth
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: certificate sure does suggest I am an adult.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Now, Oh my god. Nothing has made me feel more
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: like an adult than having to train younger coworkers and going, oh,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I actually, I've been at my job now for four years, right,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: and so I'm starting to get to the point and
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I work a very complicated job where you don't it's
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: unique enough that there's nothing you can google, there's no
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: real way to train for it. You really just have
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: to do the job and get There's a lot of
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: tribal knowledge in the company these are very complicated machines.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Like it's nice job security because it's not a job
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: that anybody can do. You really do need years of
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: training to do the job, not necessarily because it's harder
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: than any of the job. It's just niche knowledge that
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't need to know unless you're specifically making what
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: we're making. So for the first time, I'm like, Okay,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I'm actually kind of feel a little bit like an
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: adult when I'm training, But if I'm doing it all
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: my own, I feel still feel like I know nothing.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: It's just when someone starts asking questions and I can
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: actually answer those questions, and I'm going, oh, maybe I
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: do know a few.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Things, just one or two you want to do? Chapter six.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Chapter six surprises.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: And the symbol is the rising sun of Kyrie in
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: because we're getting surprised with hey, you want to be queen?
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: You don't want to be queen? Too fucking bed, you're
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: gonna be queen?
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: And she's like no, that moment of like, oh, do
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: you think anybody else would be a good queen? She's like, nah,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: they'd all suck, And I'm like, oh, you idiot, No,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: do you not realize that that leaves just you.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, aren't you smart enough to anyway? Yeah, they
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: get woken up by Sitsuko, who was a girl that
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: will be sent away very soon for not being strong
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: enough to pass the test even become accepted. And I
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: really want to imagine that she goes off to become
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: one of the Kin, but I think that's just because
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: her name is made of the same basic characters as
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: a bunch of other Kin names. I don't think she
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: actually is in the Kin.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Is she does she? I don't have any reference to
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: her being sent away.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: The era Felon Girl already knew that her stay in
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: the Tower would end in a few months. It's in
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: the opening paragraph. Okay, so I want to imagine that
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: she ends up with the Kin, but I'm pretty sure
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: that this name is not actually in the Kin. But
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: she seems like the kind of person that the Kin
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: would take in. You know, she was kicked out of
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the tower for not od enough. Like if she pursues
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: her ability to channel at all, she'll probably end up
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: falling into their orbit somewhere.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: The Watt wiki fandom has under speculation it's assumed she
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: might be a kinswoman.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: It's a logical leap to make. The next name we've
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: got is a different accepted named Lessandra, who I don't
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: think we ever see that name again. I don't recall
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: what happens to her. I'm guessing she she's just some
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: person that never has anything interesting to do.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the only mention of her, which I mean.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: It's fine. We don't have to have every single name
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: have a follow up. Some of them can literally be
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: read herrings. That's kind of the point.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Especially Novice isn't accepted because we know a ton of
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: them drop out, fail out, die, right, It wouldn't make
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: sense if every single one was significant later on in
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: the story, we'd be like, where are all the other ones?
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, arguably, there are few enough women here, and
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: the cast has been expanded enough that Jordan could have
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: done that. But I see why he didn't.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: They hear that the idea really are retreating from three
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: different sisters, right, Sarah fl Rima and Jenet Rima, who
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: later becomes Simani. Right Demani yep.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I believe so Sarah Fell is a random advisor type person,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: and Jenet I don't recall.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Sarah Fel works with Varren to study the writing Fanes writing, Ah,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: there we go, and she's told Varren there are many
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: lost books. So's she's a Arren friend.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: It seems like okay, all right, nerd, and she's brown,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: so excellent. What about Jenet? What's her deal?
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: She is one of the Saladar spies? Oh cool, she's
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: one of the moles.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, I knew the name sounded vaguely familiar, but
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I could not place it.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, no follow up other than that she's
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: one of the ten. Okay, then, yeah, this is one
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: of those names where there's like more of her in
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: this book than in any of the other books, even
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: though she technically is in the other books, because again,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: she's just referenced as part of that group. She's never
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: referenced individually.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Gotcha. So yeah, this news excites Swan and Marine because
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: now they know of an outer bound on the birth
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: of the child window. Maureene has now adopted Swan's view
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: that it is possible for them to be the ones
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: to find him and they.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Will be able to just take twenty years.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it won't because of your list, but whatever, I'm
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: speaking of the list.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a question. Is it because of the list?
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Does Moraine ever is ranmed does does she hear about
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: a soldier who finds a boy?
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: She does? I forget where it gets mentioned, but somewhere
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: it does get mentioned that they had heard a story
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: of a soldier who found a child. So I don't
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: think that there's any way of referencing if that came
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: about because of this research or other research. But this
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: is certainly them putting in the work. But speaking of
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: the work, Miren rolls up into the accepted group fully
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: beshawled and makes everyone think that they're about to get
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: summoned to their testing, but instead she's summoning Morain to
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: be put to clerical work because she's an emotional shock
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: over her uncle's dying.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Miron again, black Auja, right, like what's her motivation?
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Also, like it seems like Tomra maybe suggested this, which
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: is like, so tom trying to put Morain in the
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: path of information about this.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: That might be that makes sense that she wants her
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: to get access to all of the names, right, because
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: she makes.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: It easy for them to do that. Right When they
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: get given a little bit of friction later on, she
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: immediately smooths it out and says, oh, if you want
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: to involve yourselves. I'm going to look the other way
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: and not notice.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know Miran wanted to send out sisters
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: and Tamira sent out accept it, right, so the Black
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: a Jah wanted to send out sisters, which consists of
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Black a Jah.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Also, it just slows down your ability to catch the names, right.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: The Accepted are a massive force multiplayer on actually catching
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: all those names. And you've got the great line from
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Morain of like, man, everyone else here seems more ready
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: for the test than me, and like that's how you
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: know you're ready.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Suan mentions her uncle who died saving others, and that's
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: that story of Huan that she tells.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: He goes back into the burning building because they're children inside.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, absolutely, which I also think is how Matt
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: should have died. But you know, yeah, yeah, he should
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: have the burning building being the last battle. But it's
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: a little bit about getting Moraine out of the tower.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure, Matt goes in because there's still
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: an important ally left to be recovered and he's willing
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: to die rather than leave her there. When there's a rescue.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: He's going into the burning building. He just didn't die.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was willing to die, and that's what matters, right,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: is that her uncle was willing to keep going back
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: in even once it looked impossible to come out and
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: his gamble didn't work out. But it's the intention rolling
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: into the place that matters.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Also, it helps if you have Jane Forrest Rider to
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: sacrifice himself for you.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but I like Swan's like empathy here
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: of like, look, I've got some amazing uncles, truly fantastic men.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: You know, would jump in front of a bullet for them.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: They're great. I also have some shitty uncles that I
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: would not piss on if they were on fire. Right,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Like there is it's okay to have discern and different
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: emotional reactions to members of your family, Like I just
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I like that Swan has that empathy there. If not
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: just like, oh it's okay, you're in shock, but being
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: like no, I have a complicated relationship with my malekin too,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: it's normal. So yeah, Swan is being empathetic about uncles.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: And then ah, the next thing I've got is Laris,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: a pretty young thing, a plump woman short of her
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: middle years and more than pretty. She is already a
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: strong willed character. She is already an established force within
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the Tower kitchens. But she is not high up in
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the Tower kitchen hierarchy. She is not anywhere near being
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: mistress of kitchens. She has perhaps two chins, not four
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: or five. However, you know, even.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Plump, I would say, is mostly just nicely rounded.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and short of her middle years, Like she
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: doesn't have jowels going at all. But give her another
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: twenty years and she is gonna be just a bowling
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: ball of doom all the young women. But it's cool
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: to see her here. Yeah.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: The difference between what I would imagine someone who's like
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: a twenty five year old who's been working for a
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: few years in the kitchens versus a forty five year
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: old who's like in charge of the kitchens and in
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: her prime of life and in the prime of her
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: cooking skills.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: But we should assume at this point that she's already
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: done whatever the wild stuff she got her near to
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: hanging a time or two that she tells men about
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: like this is after that period in her life, I
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: would assume. I would assume that once she becomes a
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: cook at the White Tower, she's pretty on the straight
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: and narrow.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think so. I think she's still doing
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: pranks and shit. Yeah, I think she's still getting in trouble.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Or is she just establishing the underground rail red to
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: the kin with her colorful past?
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Like hmmm, interesting the time, we're really hitting a lot
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: of timing issues where it's like, oh, I know they
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: were this, but before or afterward seeing them here?
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I assumed that her wild days were before she
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: became a cook at the White Tower. But we also
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: do know that she is the reason why the kid
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: are able to get girls from the White Tower smuggled
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: to them. So she's never entirely above board.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my assumption, is that she's always just a
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: little bit of a troublemaker. She's just good at it
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: and no one suspects her. Yeah, not much more from
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Lara's Laras except for this anyhow, Hi Laras, Hi, Laras
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite Like, I don't know that Laras
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: is one of those who I think you could almost
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: do her own novel.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah, some like wild short stories about the
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: times that she went train hopping and wailing around Antarctica,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: and like all kinds of bonkers stuff told in like
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: short quippy stories that'd be awesome.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: The wiki says she is mistress of the kitchens in
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: this moment.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: She can't be, because Swanna points her two mistress of
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: the kitchens in the books.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just saying. Fandom says Laras is working as
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: mistress of the kitchens during the Ideal War.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's canonically untrue. She's working in the kitchens.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: She is not mistress of the kitchens because mistress of
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: the kitchens is not a position that exists, yet Swan
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: invents it to play Kate Laris when she is trying
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: to keep her from paying too much attention to the
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: supergirls during the sending off of the Hounds.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: What does her title before she becomes mistress of the kitchens?
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Head cook, chief cook?
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: But I don't think she's that now. I think she's
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: probably a lying cook at this point.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: So they start going through all the entries, the written entries,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: one by one as part of their day job right
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: now that they've been assigned to that.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: They are transcribing the nearly illegible lists into something much
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: more legible.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: And as they do that, they start doing a first
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: level filtering on the names. Right, they're not writing down
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: any of the girls' names. They're not writing anyone who's
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: born far away from Dragonmount. What they're doing is just
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: sort of saying, like, can we get a list of
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: people who qualify under the prophecy?
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Because they know a much tighter set of search conditions
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: than TOMRA was willing to put out there. Her net
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: is huge, and Swan and Moraine are like, well, obviously
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: the girls can be eliminated. Obviously people know where near
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Dragon Laut can be eliminated. Obviously people outside of this
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: very tight date range should be eliminated. And that's what
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Tomr's looking for, but she has to be clever about
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: acquiring it. Hence the large data set.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: And like you want to catch everybody who might be
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: in that small data set by having the larger data set, right, Like,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: you're not sure if you constrain it before you even
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: collect the data, you might eliminate people on the front
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: end because of false information.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Exactly. There's so much bad information here, so much vagaries
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: and stuff like, yeah, that first data collection pass needs
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: to be as wide as you can make it. But yeah,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: like these guys can instantly sort out half the babies
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: instantly right off the bat.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: But I'm assuming by the time they're done, even with
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: the filtering, that they're going to come up with a
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: couple hundred names.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I think that's what she says when they Italian it up.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: It's hundreds of names. Like they thought that it would
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, it'll be really easy, and it's like, no,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: it's hundreds of names. You're going to have to go
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: to hundreds of different families talk to them.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Which takes twenty years of traveling because traveling is.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Slow because horses.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, do you think it would have been a
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: lot easier if Suwan had been the one searching. She
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: would have walked into village had been like you you're Taverran.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I know, true, but they didn't know that the dragon
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: were born to be Taveran. Those are not inherently well.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: But to lose Darren Wasaveran though was super divisient.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Shouldn't be a surprise then, no, especially if he's going
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: to change the world as much as the prophecies say
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: he's going to. By definition, he almost has to be Tavereran. Right.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Would the baby be tavern though, or do they have
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: to be a certain gauge before the.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Globe comes on for her time. Yeah. I think we
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: decided that they didn't become tavere until after they left
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: the Two Rivers because the world didn't start changing for them.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, like the world did kind
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: of set them up ahead of time. But that's more
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: the pattern setting them up unless Tavern but Taverian affects
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: the pattern. So where do you draw that line?
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: How is a GWayne not tavern? Yeah, but she's not. Yeah,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: but the pattern still sets her up in a lot
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: of ways. Yeah. Yeah, So I don't believe they're tavere
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: until the patterns starts swirling around them specifically and their
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: physical location, which I don't think happens until after they
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: leave the Two Rivers and may not even happen until
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: I the world. Yeah.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: On the other hand, it's kind of taveri nee for
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: a soldier to find an infant on a battlefield in
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: the snow before the infant dies of exposure, because it
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: literally was just pushed into the world.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: And that is the debate we've had. What is taveren,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: what is the pattern? What is prophecy fulfilling itself? Like
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: you know, is he Taveren before he's born, can he
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: influence you know, he needed tygrain in the waste for
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: him to be born in the way that he needed
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: to be born. Is that taverance.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: He needed that one particular sperm from Jenduin, and that's
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: why all the other sperms didn't make it exactly.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: It's just like come on, like at some point like yeah,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: you have to say, so, that's just the past weaving
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: towards a result, and it's only once he starts really
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: affecting coincidence around him that's teverin.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'd say also you could probably pinnot around
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: when the talent for channeling kicks in is probably when
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: the pattern's going to be able to like take more
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: notice of someone.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Sure, and we really see it. I think we see
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: almost more with Matt and Parrien because they gain special
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: abilities when they become tavern. They were never automatically. They
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: were never tavern from.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Birth right right, because their births were not foreordained in
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: the same kind of complex way. They're just the two
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: friends of the dragon reborn and that is what.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Gives them that and so we can I think it's
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: much easier to pinpoint when they become Taveran when they
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: start influencing the world around them.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: And again by that logic, Agwain and nine you can
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: be tavern too, especially Aguain.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Right right, yeah, I'm never right. That was the one
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: thing I thought the show did really well was make
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: them Taveren. And I thought that was yeah, of course,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: make them Teveren. Now the whole who's the Dragon Reborn?
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I didn't like as much because it was such a
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: gendered thing going into it.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Part I liked least was there are rumors of Tavern.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like, these kids don't know what tavern are, and
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: nothing weird is happening near them. Where are the rumors
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: coming from? Who's rumoring? What events are getting rumored, and
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: who is making these rumors that these kids don't even
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: know what Tivron is. That was the part that felt
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: like the biggest stretch to me, genuinely. Well, that in
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: the gender thing, but that's just such a simple change
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: to make that it didn't like a stretch. It just
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: felt like a break, you know. That's the difference. So yeah,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: they go back the next day and they start working
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: and then clerks come in and say, excuse me, this
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: is my job and Swan goes with it better to
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: ask for permission than forgiveness and says, just keep working,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: just work while they go off and get Tomar. And
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: then when Tomer shows up, she immediately puts two and
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: two together and says, yeah, sure you want to do that,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: go for it.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: So here's the question. Did Tomorrow actually set them up
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: to be doing this or because right, we were told
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: that from mir In?
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: She says, the mother agreed that you can copy out
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: the lists that are near unreadable mm hmm. But then
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Tamorrow walks in to who suggested it, well, because Tamara
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: walks in the next day, right, Tamara walks in the
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: next day thinking, oh, you would only want to do
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: it for one day, which, like I think, is kind
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: of weird, which does kind of suggest that Mirin was
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: the one originating the idea.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Right, I had intended you to have a free day
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: or to read or study as you chose, Tamara said slowly.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: So she was not like and that has to be
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: the truth. She can't lie about that, So she didn't
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: intend them to be doing this copy.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but she yes, ads it real fast. She says, oh,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: you two want to be at the choke put of information. Okay,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to fight that. I'm going to let
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: you have initiative, even though you're not is to diet.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: I'm going to let you insert yourselves at will.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: And then I was curious about this, like, what is
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: it triple negative that she throws it. I won't tell
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: you to not chance to do it. I guess that's
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: only a double negative.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she just wants to let Moraine and Swan know
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: that she sees what they're doing, and she's fine with it,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: using the analogy of this little inkstain to be like,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you what not to do,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: because you already know what you need to do.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Anythink the inkstain is an analogy for copying down the
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: names or whatever. I mean?
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Think about how the inkstain was an analogy with guitara
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: falling over and spreading that inkstain out and Tamaras saying,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: do what you got to do to clean up that inkstain.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Whatever you have to do, I don't care, Like, just
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: clean it up. Use your powers to deal with this
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: black blot that is spreading across our future.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: That caused by Tamara and her prophecy right guitar Athlon.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I would think that Tamra and Guitara were suspicious that
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: the Black Auja existed before this happened, Like I think
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: the Ieoh wore the decline of the tower, various deaths
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: that had happened in various nations. I feel like the
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: keeper in the Omerlin looking out at the world, getting
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: these foretellings of doom and gloom probably were like, let's
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: just assume the Black Auja exists and be pleasantly surprised
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: when it turns out we were wrong.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah. But at the same time, she's you know,
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: she sets up this whole mission and all the word
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: gets out and they all get killed and she gets killed.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: So she's not careful enough.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean she's not suspicious of the Black Otja.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Like Athlyn just says, does Tamara suspect the Black Auja?
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: And it's like, I can't imagine that she's so naive
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: as to think the Black Aja doesn't exist given what
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: is going on. She's the Omerlind, she knows everything. Surely
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: she's suspicious that there are some eyes to die that
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: are not fully above board. Most eyes to die act
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: like it's the most grievous insult in the world to
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: suggest it. But I just can't believe that the Omarlin
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: with that keeper was that naive.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: And so this is the second time that they talk
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: about rules or can be broken. Right.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: You have to know how to break the rules, when
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: to ask permission versus forgiveness. What is not forbidden is
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: allowed that whole brain pretzel suite of tools.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Right, And you have to know what the rules are
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: before you can break them, so you know when to
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: break them. Right.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: You have to understand why the rules exist so that
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: way you can sir convent them effectively.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: It's been mentioned multiple times.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: It's an important part of being in Eye to Die.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: It's an important part of playing the game of Houses.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: It's an important part of surviving people who are Eyes
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: to Die and playing the game of Houses. Right, it's
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: a very important thing to keep in mind for all
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: of our characters as they go through this whole world.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: The next thing I have is them copying the books.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, Moraine sets aside this piece of scratch paper,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: and Swan's like, bitch, please, I already have a little
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: note like, well, yeah, did you not know this is
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: what we were going to do today?
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Right, So Moraine comes with one name and Swan's like, yeah,
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: I've already got nine that I've written down, Like yeah, yeah,
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: let me add it to the list. Yeah, of course
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: this is what we're doing.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: And then we get the parade of eyes to die
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: angling for Moraine and her political power, starting with Jarna Malari,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: which that name sounds familiar. I don't remember where else
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: she exists, but that sounds very familiar. Oh, head of
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: the Black Auja before all VR. She's currently the supreme
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: commander of the Black Audition.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: She is so very black.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: That's why the name is familiar. Oh so this is
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: the one that Shawmael tortures to death over.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Year that happens in this book, I think, yeah, nine
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: seventy nine, she has Tamara killed. Right in eighty two
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: she sent the Black Aja to hunt and kill the
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Dragon Reborn. She's the one who does the vileness. Okay,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: she initiates the vileness. Is she doesn't want the Dragon
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Reborn dead.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: So the buck stops with her in her head rolls yes,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: and Alvirn is elevated into that voyage because she's a
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: pilot ash now so okay, all right, right, because.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Is she doesn't want Rand dead. The first three books
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: he wants you know or I guess. The first two
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: books he doesn't want randad. He's trying to turn him.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: The last book he goes insane and wants him dead.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Then Rand wins kills him, and then again the Dark
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: doesn't want Rand dead. But most of the series they
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: don't want Rand dead, they want him turned. So Jarna
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: going off on her own and saying, let's take him down,
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: let's do the vileness, let's kill all these people. But yeah,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: all these people being killed at her behest okay.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: And that's why her name is familiar is because it
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: matters who the supreme commander of the Black Gaja was.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and she rolls on in being like affairs
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: of state, never wait on matters of grief? Would you
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: like to be Queen? I mean, she doesn't say it outright,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: it's a different Isidi that says it out right. But
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: this is the beginning of the parade of so none
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: of your relatives would be good rulers for kyrie In Wow,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: would you be a ruler of Kyriene? Hint hint, wink wink.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: Did you notice who's not mentioned at all here? The
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: guy who actually becomes the high Seed of Domindred barthanis.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Huh, that is weird that he's not mentioned here.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Kyrian and Lord high Seat of House diarmondread and cousin
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: to Layman. He is second only to the king in power.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Well, oh, it's probably because he's a cousin, right. He's
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: probably not near enough to the throne at this time
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: because they're working through Lamon's siblings and then all of
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: his nieces and nephews. Probably when Morain bounces out, they're
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: forced to go deeper into the family tree and that's
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: when they come up with cousins. That'd be my guess
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: for why he's not mentioned now. He's just far throw
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: away from the throne that Morain.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: He does succeed King Layman as the high Seat of
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: House demand Read.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: He does ultimately is the one that takes over.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: But it's just interesting that nobody brings him up. Right.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: He's the one who eventually gains power, and no one's
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: talking about him in this moment.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: I think because they had to dig that far down
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: the family tree before they found a suitable candidate. I
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: think that's why he's not mentioned. Is like nobody who
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: was on the short list was actually appropriate. But yeah,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: here we get the mentioned that tarre Gale is the
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: half brother and is married to the Queen of and
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Or reminding us that Morain is a Laine's aunt, I
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: mean half aunt. But whatever. At this point, I don't
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: think it matters, you know, and Tarangale will be dying
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: in like the next couple of years to Tom's blade. Right,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: if rand was just born, this means that Elaine has
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: not yet been conceived because she's younger than him, And
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: if he was only just born, then she can't even
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: have been conceived yet, which means that Tarangale has three
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: or so years left to live, right, because he first
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: he has to father Gowen and then he fathers Elaine.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: She's the younger of the two, probably like four years,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: three or four years left on his lifetime.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: And Gowen is older than Rand, yes, I think by
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: like a.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Year, because he's already married to more Gaze and they
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: have kids that are pretty you know, they get married
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: and they right away. Yeah, if she got married to
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: him recently, then that means that Gowain would yet already
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: be born and they're on the gap between Gowen and
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Elaine right now.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: He's assassinated in nine eighty four.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's not like eight years, isn't it? From now? Right?
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Right year? Awehan, I wrought that we were in like
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: seventy eight.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Seventy eight. Yeah, yeah, so it's like six years.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, So he must have like just married more gays
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  Speaker 1: than in order for those birthdates to work out, unless
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  Speaker 1: she had like three years between kids instead of two
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  Speaker 1: years between kids.
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  Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy he marries Tigrain and father is a son
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  Speaker 2: Galad in in nineteen sorry, nine to seventy on nineteen
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  Speaker 2: seventy Oh.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because Taran Gaale was also Gallad's father, because he
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  Speaker 1: was already married to the Queen of Ander. Mm hmm, right,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: so he was married to the Queen of Ander long
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  Speaker 1: before any of this shit went down. He's been out
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  Speaker 1: of the running for exactly a long time.
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  Speaker 2: And then he marries more Gaze after the discipline disappearance
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  Speaker 2: of Tigraine. Right, so he has to marry, so he
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  Speaker 2: has Gowin. Tigraine disappears, he has Gowen, Tygraine goes as
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  Speaker 2: rand iol War happens, then Elaine is then they have
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  Speaker 2: Eline because Gowen is born in Oh, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if we have an exact date for his birth.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Nobody likes Godwin enough to remember his birthday basically and
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: to respond to chat. Yes, Tarangale did have to give
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  Speaker 1: up titles and claims on his kyrie inside in order
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: to not threaten the end Oran royalty he was marrying into.
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  Speaker 1: That was a whole deal with like whose name got
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  Speaker 1: to go to the kids and blah blah blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh okay, Gollin is nine seventy nine. Wait, so
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  Speaker 2: Gowin is younger than.
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  Speaker 1: Ran two, but by like a few months though, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're really close to the same age, but actually younger
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  Speaker 1: by some number of months.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. So Gollin is not born yet, I would
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  Speaker 2: assume that she's pregnant with him.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would assume that, yeah, he's he's just dating,
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  Speaker 1: but he's very much not.
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  Speaker 2: Born yet, right. Mcgallad's around and is like six Ye.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Gollad is around and already far more mature than
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: his age would suggest, because he's dealt with a lot
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: of tragedy already. His father's probably paying a total dick.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: So the next person, Susama comes up, tries to also
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: commence her to be queen basically sort of expels it out.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one per aja, every Adja sends a representative to
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: suggest that, and yeah, Stama Wrath from the Red is
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  Speaker 1: the one who says, have you never thought of being
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  Speaker 1: queen of Kyrie and yourself? She pulls no punches and Sutama, remember,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: is the head architect of the vileness publicly, she's the
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: one that takes the public fall for the.
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  Speaker 2: Vileness, because the Red is the people who do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly, Oh yeah, this is where we get
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  Speaker 1: the name on there.
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  Speaker 2: But she ends up becoming the highest of the Red
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Odja after Gleina dies. So even though she's punished because
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: of the vileness, she then later becomes head of the Red.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: She paid her penance, you know.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so the chapter ends with Moray going, I
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: don't want to be queen. I need to figure out
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: a way to escape and get out of this.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You ready for me to read us out for
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: the day.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's read us out of this giant chunk.
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  Speaker 1: Thus she gained another nightmare to join the Babe in
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  Speaker 1: the Snow into the Faceless Man. She sat on the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: sun throne wearing the shawl of an Isidaie, and in
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: the streets outside the mobs were destroying the city. No
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Isidai had been a queen in over a thousand years,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: and even before that, the few who admitted it openly
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: had fared badly. But if that was the goal of
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: the Hall of the Tower, how could she forestall it?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Only by fleeing the tower as soon as she did
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: gain the shawl and staying away until matters resolved themselves
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: in Kyrie? And she spent most of that sleepless night
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: praying to be tested soon. Even tomorrow would not be
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: too soon light she was not ready, but she had
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: to escape somehow.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: And with that section one, which was three hours and
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: twenty minutes of recording, is done, and I'm turning recording off.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: I am profoundly tempted to split this into two.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: I think that's totally fair to do.
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